/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15596477
Benis lul

>>15596447
>no edition
do the needful, sir

>”HUMANS could be here” she thought

I assume the deluge is salt water?

>no edition
>didn't stage the last thread properly

This place is a shithole now, much like this planet

>>15596535
you're here forever
I've been here forever

dead /sfg/ is good
it means we are all so knowledgable now we have no more questions to ask

>>15596447
what kind of retard OP is this

The varda guy is making superconductor live
https://twitch.tv/andrewmccalip

go into the archive, pick a ~2019-2021 sfg and post something.

>>15596637
warosu sci is searchable now???????

>>15596522
she can't resist the BHC

>>15596618
why so many chinese comments?

>>15596686
IP theft in action

>>15596686
it's korean you faggot.
they're cheering their countrymen

>>15596673
yeah
eg

>>/sci/thread/12462315

50th SpaceX flight of 2023

>>15596637
Here is one from 2018.

>>15596694
I can't read it bro, it hurts too bad, things used to be so good back then before we got infested.

>>15596711
WTF, it’s curved. Earth is an alderson disc

>>15596724
ITS?

>>15596735
die

>>15596711
Cuckold Falcon Heavy will never recover from this

>>15596735
Interplanetary Transport System, aka interim name for what's now known as Starship.

>>15596735
I sometimes forget not all of us haven't been here since like 2017 :(

First post from the apartment I bought while Starship OFT was counting down.
/blog

Here is another good one from 2018 I saved.

>>15596724
I'll be generous and assume "scientific advancement" means "grant funding for science"

>>15596773
wow

>>15596778
It's a shitpost based off an ancient graph about how the Dark Ages fucked up everything. The original graph has to be at least 20 years old.

More or less the start of something great I haven't seen posted here in quite some time.

>>15596808
i saved lots of edits of this

Ah damn, I am getting a bit misty. Remember this?

>>15596822
I remember them trying to figure out how to roll the coil stock into acceptably round rings. Damn, things have come a long way since that almost-less-than-a-tent effort.

>>15596808
>>15596816
Painting graffiti on the rings... take me back bros...

>>15596758
I've been here since around the time JWST launched

>>15596846
>>15596737

>>15596808
>>15596816
>not a single frog

https://spacenews.com/argentina-signs-artemis-accords/

>>15596847
i wish

>>15596852
Take that Venezuela

>>15593596
I still remember the original Neutron

>>15596892
Unironically would have been a smarter R&D effort.

>>15596892
qrd?

>>15596931
Stainless steel falcon 9 clone.

>>15596892
original neutron will be what neutron ultimately looks like if built. rocket lab will soon drop carbon fiber

So how about them aliens?
Does anyone happen to know where to find a transcript of the hearing that I can skim? It doesn't look like it's gone up on any official sites yet.

>>15596961
shut up about aliens

>>15596961
I haven't found a transcription yet, but there's a replay of the hearing here https://youtu.be/KQ7Dw-739VY?t=1080

>>15596961
Basically, the aliens came down and granted Lockheed Martin and Boeing extremely high technology. But at the same time, the aliens cursed them. They are psychically incapable of ever using it in their products.

So how about them room temperature superconductors?

>>15597029
Judging by the amount of clusterfuck it's probably real

>>15597029
Whatever we're pushing out of the news cycle must be really fucking exciting, given how sloppy this week has been.

>>15597029
It's either happening or it's not and as we all know, nothing ever happens.

>>15597027
That's why they're using AI to do generative design, it's not subject to the curse.

>>15597029
Kilonewton scale plasma magnet sails should get real cheap if this works.

>>15597029
Got to keep an eye on that Varda twitch stream, I don't know how far along they are in the synthesis. I should probably also read the papers.

>>15597029
2 more weeks

>>15597029
here is some hopium >>15596255

>>15597029

>>15597116
The quantum superposition of It's So Over and We're So Back continues unabated.

>>15597116
WOW another fucking nothingburger for the pile? Will I die without any interesting leap happening?
(Starship isn't a leap, it's just what should have already got two decades ago)

>>15597116
>wordswordswords

REPLICATE OR SHUT THE

FUCK

UP

>>15597116
OOF Lmao looks like insects cant innovate after all

>>15597127
This, but with clapping emojis.

>>15597127
Yeah, twitter reddit smarmoids are really tiresome. Proof that the West is fucked. Will bet my entire life savings that China will replicate or deboonk far ahead of whitoids.

>>15597141
china is extremely strong

>>15597146
smelling

>>15597146
No they are a retarded paper tiger but they actually do shit instead of whinging and opining about their intelligence on shitter.

>>15597153
they would if they could

how long until the super conductor is proven wrong?

>>15597160
A day probably

>>15597160
probably months

>>15597029
just another scam with faked results with impossible simple setup, much like Fleischmann–Pons cold fusion
in a month you will all either pretend you knew it from day 1 or act like you never heard of it in the first place

>>15597160
Andrew is literally livestreaming the entire process: https://www.twitch.tv/andrewmccalip I would suspect we'll have bonafide confirmation one way or another by Sunday given this.

>>15597214
>techbro redditor
he won't prove shit one way or the other.
professional labs are going to evaluate it.

>>15597221
>techbro redditor
You know who else is a techbro redditor?

>>15597221
Lower your tone, that's a vardaspace nigger.

>>15597214
>the chat is nothing but moonrunes and nationalistic shit flinging
Nice.

>>15597255
Twitch chat is the spiritual successor of here. You have less than 2 seconds to get your message across.

>>15597200
>Fleischmann–Pons cold fusion
>scam with faked results
ITER troons not welcome here

Spaceflight?

>>15597296

>>15596637
>>15596694
>>15596727

Reposting /sfg/ history dive (yes its fireden not warosu and someone else can do the needful)-

>pre-Dec 2018
Various unconnected launch threads
>17 Dec 2018
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10223076
Initial catalyst, quadruple launch thread, first boca chica pics
>21 Dec 2018
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10223076/#10230858
First suggestion of "spaceflight general"
>21 Dec 2018
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10231408
SpaceX GPS launch thread, staged from previous launch thread
>22 Dec 2018
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10231408/#10235763
First collective OC
>23 Dec 2018
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10237471
First Starship/BFR discussion thread, starting relatively unbroken thread chain
>18 Feb 2019
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10399256
First thread with "spaceflight general" in subject line

>19 Apr 2019
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10562453/#10562640
First suggestion to use /sfg/ in general name instead of /sg/
>19 Apr 2019
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10571535
First thread using /sfg/ in subject line
>1 Aug 2019
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10853630/#10854978
First post of SLS is real copypasta on /sfg/ (or /sci/ in general)
>03 May 2020
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/11632487/#11632831
Creation of 4ASS
>09 Jun 2020
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/11779749/#11780018
First appearance of PROOONT-anon
>10 Aug 2020
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/11993520/#11994869
First Krystal post
>07 Dec 2020
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/12425748/#12430004
First appearance of the Zubrin sniffer

We will give the planetcucks an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind us, they will stumble, they will fall down their stupid well. But in time, they will join us in the spin.

its so rusty

>>15597315
Why hasn't someone photoshopped an asshole in there? It literally looks exactly like a brown eye.

>>15596694
Hahaha

>>15597317

https://twitter.com/AndrewParsonson/status/1684882647695147009

> .@ArianeGroup has been awarded another @EU_Commission project, this one to begin the development of "a family of reusable high-thrust engines." The project is called ENLIGHTEN-ED or the European iNitiative for Low cost, Innovative & Green High Thrust Engine – Engine Demonstration

> It is a follow-on project from ENLIGHTEN which an ArianeGroup consortium received just over €17,5 million to pursue. ENLIGHTEN commenced in November 2022 and is expected to run until October 2025.

> According to ArianeGroup, ENLIGHTEN-ED "will strengthen the propulsion initiatives entrusted to us by the European Space Agency." There aren't currently any details on how much additional EU funding ArianeGroup will receive for ENLIGHTEN-ED.

>>15597402

>>15597402
russia will get a reusable rocket before esa

>>15596694
>>15596727
Ugh bring me back. The golden age of /sfg/ always had something to talk about. Heavy traffic 24/7 with lots of cool spaceflight discussion

>>15597302
That was not the first 4ASS post

>>15597478
Then post the one that was

can someone spoonfeed me the formula for the exist velocity and temperature of a convergent nozzle if we know the pressure and temperature of the gas before entering the nozzle, and the outlet pressure

>>15597496
lol weren’t you asking this same thing like two months ago? You still haven’t found an answer??

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1684594711992901632

reposting

>>15597577
soul vs soulless

Are they going to leave HLS docked to gateway after Artemis 4? seems like it would be a waste to throw it away, if nothing else they could use it for storage until the need a docking port.

>>15597317
>>15597326

>>15597577
>spacex style legs
every time

>>15597654
ok smart guy, lets see your rocket's landing legs

>>15597672
just land on the fuckin' engines

>>15597676
Best part no part

>>15597654
that is the first step, in a few iterations it will be indistinguishable from a Falcon 9

>>15597676
*squish*

>>15597496
This seems like the kind of thing that you can't just compute analytically by plugging constants into a formula.

>>15597688
nasa issue
make it meatier

>>15597683
Purpose built landing pad could avoid the complexity on the rocket. Bet they have plenty of up mass on the first stage but are constrained on the second for size and mass.

>>15597713
the chinese had some plans to land a falcon 9 clone without landing legs on a droneship with wires

https://www.l3harris.com/newsroom/press-release/2023/07/l3harris-completes-aerojet-rocketdyne-acquisition
it happened

>>15597731
I'm really interested to see them try this

>>15597802
I don't see why it wouldn't work, how heavy are the landing legs anyway?

>>15597802
>china can't innov-ACK

>>15597698
actually this is one of those things. Only I'm not sure what specific heat ratio is

>>15597802
>>15597835
I remember this idea from a few NSF posters back when Elon was proposing rocket catches and the chopstick tower wasn't finalized yet. It obviously didn't go anywhere with SpaceX and it's not precisely a new idea, but they might be willing to try it.

>>15597835
acksually this was posted [pic rel] here more than a year ago

>>15597806
Heavy enough that leaving them off of superheavy was an attractive idea. I just want to see someone try a reusable rocket that isn't a blatant Falcon 9 clone.

>>15597855

>>15597855
> 1-D is the same as 2-D
nice try gweilo

>>15597842
ratio of the specific heat of the reactants and reaction products

>>15597896
is this a number I can just plug in?

>chinks developed room temperature superconductors
>boeing has ayylmaos supplying them with anti-grav technology
it's over for spacex

>>15597912
>implying boing can make even ayylien tech work right

>>15597802
SpaceX already ran the trades.
I'd just take it as a given that chopsticks are the optimal solution.

https://twitter.com/zebulgar/status/1684934913068605440

>>15597577
guess I'm an MLV bro now

>>15596694
wow that thread is surprisingly high quality.
sad

>>15597577
I kind of like her.

>>15597995
that's mostly due to the anime girls

>>15597999
I do too. I especially like the changes to the fairing mechanism.

>>15597739
So basically the only thing they have left is their RL-10 contracts with SLS and Vulcan. SLS will not be flying past 2040 probably. And if ULA decides to switch to a BO upper stage engine it will be game over

>>15597835
They literally stole the concept from twittards fooling around with fun ideas [math]\unicode{x1F602}[/math]

today I will check on the proonter at my uni
the one with the terrible goncrete 'building'

>>15598002
Yeah retrospectively that one was bound to happen though I didn't see it predicted.
Starship chomper is highly dubious.
I think they'd rather make a bigger sliding door that's structural when closed.

>>15598035
hot take: there won't be any starship payloads BUT spez dispenser starlinks for like 2 years. So they don't need a 'proper' fairing for 2 years.

>>15598032
Aaaaaahahaha I still think about that

Have many rocket launches have you seen IRL?

For me, it's 0. I suffer in Europe.

>>15598040
Except the door for lunar SS of course

>>15598040
they can just do expendable second stages until they figure it out. it's not a big deal

>>15598042
I've seen some spacex launches fly overhead some 20 mins after launch

>>15598040
Yeah I can see that. Even after they start mass-producing the “finalized” design there will probably still be SH and/or SS failures. They probably want to sort those out with Starlink payloads before offering multi-million dollar private contracts.
Although lol I say that and meanwhile this thing is supposed to land humans in the Moon so I’m hoping they troubleshoot all of their problems quickly

>>15598042
Cygnus back in like 2014
>Massachusetts :(

>>15598042
>Shuttle/STS-129
>AV551/Juno
it's been too long

>>15598042
I’ve been to JSC and seen the Saturn V, a bunch of old engines like the H1, and touched a Merlin on a F9 first stage (it still had soot!)
Never seen a rocket launch though

>>15598040
It's just a fact, not some hot take. Just take a look at all Ships currently being built. All of them have a dispenser, and there's like 10 of them in a queue so before a new, theoretical, commercial Starship flies, you'll have to wait at least 2 years.

Deluge test today.

>>15598077
does Russia even have R&D engineers left, or is their whole space program being held together by people carefully following SOPs written in the early 2000s?

>>15598089
you mean the nozzles in the metal plate under the pad?

>>15598093
yup

>>15598092
At this point, I'm convinced that the "Russia has no aerospace engineers" is just clickbait coming from the same sources who were pushing "two week of sanctions is going to completely collapse the Russian economy!" Russia doesn't have as many engineers going into aerospace because other segments of the economy have always paid a bit bit better, but I'm not convinced its enough to be a real problem in the short or long term.

>>15596522
>ayys love anal probing
>ayys are furries
It all makes sense now.

>>15598042
I once saw a Shittle on a 747 that had just taken off. It was either Endeavor or Atlantis, I don't remember which.

>>15598219
I missed the last piggybacking of endeavor and I'm still salty about it.
I was in school and they pulled us all out of class to watch it. the time they thought it was going to fly over came and went, so they figured it must not have come close enough for us to see it. everyone went on their way and then like 20 minutes later it passed over head and only a handful of people got to see it.

>>15598040
Is anyone else worried about the large door? Like aren't they having structural issues with the slot door and have been through more than one design? Not implying that's true but I vague remember reading that somewhere.

>>15598262
Yes, they do. S24 and S25 had their doors welded shut.

Deprived of their hop, they have taken to violence.

>>15598262
>Like aren't they having structural issues with the slot door
Yes. The small door isn't structural when closed.
A large door would have to be.

>>15598273
I live right next door to a catholic convent and all the nuns told me some drunk guy plowed through their giant brick wall like 15 years ago and let all their rabbits out. Now there are wild rabbits all over the neighborhood lol

>>15597146
Implessive

>>15598292
kek

>>15597116
doomerbros, we're so back

>>15598315
“we are so back” bros, it’s over

>>15598315
>>15598320
There is still time, bros.

>>15598042
gonna need her instagram right now anon

>>15598338
https://www.instagram.com/jennyhphoto
lurk moar

>>15598338
Why do I get the feeling that any lady who is into space as a hobby probably has BPD

>>15598351
been here since 2020 and literally never seen these great tits before. you have failed us
>>15598364
because it's too good to be true otherwise

>>15598372
She's the one that had that horrific car crash driving to a launch.

>>15598385
Did she crash into a fucking giant solid metal cube? That's a fucking massive amount of damage for any modern car

>>15598389
Uhaul truck. The truck driver died.

>>15598385
Holy shit I don’t even want to make an it’ll buff out joke. I knew she was in an accident but I didn’t realize it was this fucking scary holy shiiiiit

>>15598385
oh now i remember. i heard about the crash but never actually looked into it. i think the launch scrubbed too. great tits anyway

>>15598315
>>15598320

>>15598393
You mean the person in that car survived?
Bullshit.

>>15598397
It's her Tesla

>>15598400
Jesus christ it’s flattened in all three directions

>>15597911
it depends on the particular fuel/oxidizer combination, but yeah its pluggable.

>>15598385
Is this a Tesla?

>>15598410
safest car you can buy nowadays, yeah

>>15598385
Used 2019 Tesla model Y - $15,000. no lowball, I know what I got

>>15598400
How in the fuck.

>>15598420
Muskonian engineering

>>15597739
>>15598012
AeroJet makes a lot of solid motors for weapons. With ULA for sale, Boeing Space hemorrhaging money, wonder if we could see some mergers and consolidation in old space. Bezos buys em all would be funny AF.

>>15596522
>>15598147
Space wolves?

>>15598400
And here's a more recent photo.

>>15598462
Her rebuilt Tesla looks pretty resistant to crashes.

>>15598400
So elon musk killed a uhaul driver

>>15598475
he also killed a French family that came down to watch Falcon Heavy

>>15598479
blood emerald sacrifice

>>15598440
Bezos already offered all the shuttle-era boomers at AR high-paying jobs a long time ago. This caused a little uproar amongst salty DoD managers and competing contractors haha

HEY- YOU!
Post lesser known aerospace companies I should apply to. I've gotten down to the dregs now and don't know what else there is to try.
t. unemployed

>>15598486
This also explains why the BE-4 program has been chugging along at an oldspace pace, by the way

>>15598491
Lots of smaller companies cluster their offices in and around JSC in Houston. It’s probably similar with other NASA facilities across the US.

>>15598400
>When Hautmann was asked what recourse she could seek after being paralyzed from the waist down, she replied "If starship doesn't need legs, I don't either."

The first launch of the planned methane-fueled #AmurSPG rocket with reusable first stage is planned for 2028-2030, said Daniil Subbotin, the deputy director of RSC Progress in Samara.
https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1684879080406089728

>>15598499
>Starship doesn’t have A2A anymore, either
NOOOOOOOO

>>15598491
Pythom Space

>>15598505
[x]

>>15598420
Teslas are the safest cars on the road

>>15598499
>paralyzed from the waist down
what did they mean by this >>15598462

>>15598516
Oh look, the three musk-I-fears

>>15598521
paralyzed, past tense. fucking ESLs

>>15598521
starship has legs again what the fuck

>>15598534
pathetic bait.

Is he right?

>>15598546
m8 its a joke. You don't need see any pictures to realize the quote is absurd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg
Some PA klaxon going on. Love the space port vibes.

>>15598562

>>15598562
there's no objective claims being made. so yeah.
"people with a passing interest" say a lot of things.
arguing by analogy and following best practice doesn't allow you to build a reentering booster nor the highest performance engine ever made.
can you prove that the concrete cracks and flies away instead of just eroding?

>>15597315
uhhh bros... why does this water deluge look so suggestive

>>15598406
well I'm looking at a jet engine, can I use 1.4 for for both air and combustion products?

>>15598585
>>15598589
I mean, he seems to know what he's talking about.

>>15598582
Alarm going off, and I can hear the PA system blaring a warning.

>>15598562
There's not even a point until lower in the post, and the point is elon should've listen to the guys who build big flame trenches which aren't viable in shallow marsh, or listen to people who roll the whole fucking launch tower on alabama river rocks when he uses off the shelf transports on a public road? There was no way to tell what was good advice and what was pork. Elon talks about how he assigns requirements to people and not departments because a person can tell you why something must be done and a department will tell you to ask another department. The decisions nasa made were decades old and a lot of those people are dead. The practices are there but the justifed "knowledge" is lost.

Also should spacex have installed the shower head before the first launch? They told us they expected it to survive one launch. They were wrong. But it hardly matters because they didn't have to fix the foundation very long before they started to build the shower head. And now they had flight data months earlier than they would have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJwQTFsezJI

klaxons blaring at times

i'm delooooging

>>15598611
are they really going to leave that tarp there? I'm guessing it'll be somewhere else after the test

>>15598641
no time for caution

>>15598576
he's a redditor. they dont believe in jokes/sarcasm unless you put a /s

WB-57 FOOTAGE OF STARSHIP FLIGHT
https://youtu.be/4934afDhM2c
https://youtu.be/nOvrIzxVbyg

>>15598598
That doesn’t mean anything
I have a mechE bs and ms and I’m dumb as shit.
The idiot in that /k/ thread is an idiot

>>15598611
NO SCHLOP GET OUT OF THERE. YOU CANT SCHLOP THAT!

SCHLOP!!!!!!!

>>15598668
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>15598668
it's over...

>>15598668
Impressive
These guys have surprisingly good sources. Wish they were less big on self-promo though. For example, they had the render of the new BO lander the day before the announcement but silhouetted it to tease instead of spilling the beans.

>>15598701
kek

weird sounds

>>15596892
What's Neutron's successor gonna be called? Molecule?

yeah i'm saying this is gonna be crazy
>full pressure

>>15598701
elegant design unironically

>>15598721
they'll make up a name for uuu particles and ddd particles

ITS HAPPENING

>>15598697
that's it? that's the water deluge?

damn, the tarp held

its over

>>15598724
okay wasn't that different from last time

look how hard I can piss

Weird. NSF went quiet after seeing the test. The pad is making some kind of ringing noise now.

>>15598726
>the combustion propelled spike hitting the piston
it's full on retarded actually

>>15598746
not much different than a wankel apex seal

Damn, I missed it.

okay now static fire it on monday faggots

>>15598728
About 17 seconds of sustained max pressure output before it starts tapering off. If SuperHeavy fails to launch within that window and clear the pad, there's a good chance of significant blast plate damage from the heat and concussive force.

>>15598768
Booster 7 was worst case from a thrust standpoint. How long did it take?

>>15598768
If the pad is taking 15+ seconds of 33 Raptor engines it will be damaged regardless.

>>15598773
>lunch without 5 engines is the worst case sandwich

>>15598768
methane can't melt steel plates

>>15598768
They're already bringing in more water tanks btw.
Probably will suffice for next launch though.

>>15598782
uhhh yeah? if many more were out it wouldn't even go up and they'd just abort everything

>>15598789
This >>15598576
but also there's no reason engines can't fail after liftoff creating an Astra scenario.

where is benchod laanch basterd poster when you need him?

https://twitter.com/zebulgar/status/1684992771546136576

https://twitter.com/i/status/1684977334749966337

>SpaceX's 50th mission of the year sends 22 @Starlink satellites to orbit while Falcon Heavy readies for tonight's launch

>>15598827
why is it just 22? v2 minis?

>>15598833
Yes

>>15598833
yes.
v1.5 has been discontinued.
elon is again doing his thing where he forces starship to happen.
if he could he'd cancel falcon 9 and dragon today.

>>15598462
Are the tits undamaged?

>>15598841
Canceling F9 would be suicidal. It will be quite some time before SS is orbit capable

>>15598855
>Canceling F9 would be suicidal
he is suicidal in the sense that either it works or he'd rather the company die.
if there were no nasa and dod contracts they'd be gone.

>>15598859
thankfully he has contractual obligations to keep his money printer around

>>15598855
hence "if he could"

https://twitter.com/Matt_Lowne/status/1684856555999531008

> All Neutron designs in order. Which one is the best looking?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbJTEWlMxho

>>15598883
best looking middle but right will perform better.
left is disgustingly ugly, WNBASS and was investor bait.
i do not believe they seriously thought about not going carbon fiber.

>>15598598
I have a math degree (objectively superior) and I think that guy is a retard

>>15598883
Left because carbon fiber is gay

>>15598516
>esa flag
jesus please just use the EU flag I don't care if it's not accurate and I don't even like the EU but god it would be so fucking demoralising to plant a goddam company logo as a flag

The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15598841
no need to worry though, since SS won't be flying anytime soon SpaceX is ready to churn out F9s and dragons for years to come

>>15598042
>Shuttle/STS-65
>AV401/Lucy
I'm never doing a night launch again by the way. Lucy was at 4:30AM but I had to get to KSC at midnight to get a spot in the stands

>>15598896
where do you work

>>15598887
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1684990065938706452

BIDET

Can we have a moment of silence for all the beetles that were drowned just a few moments ago?

>>15598917
I am unemployed

>>15598901
I’ve never considered that as I am not a euro. Yeah it would be like japan going with us and planting a JAXA flag instead of just a japanese one.

>>15598910
>and dragons
already not making new ones. stay delusional

>>15598935
>pic
Kek it’s like two gradeschool kids who get in a fist fight but the become best friends

>>15598921
The tarp survived.

>>15598042
Once when I was a newborn, family went to see the shuttle in the late 80s for a night launch, scrubbed.

Then I tried flying to Florida for the last shuttle launch, flight canceled due to a days-long severe storm, but the shuttle flight was scrubbed a few times the day I was going anyways.

I will see a superheavy launch some day.

>>15598939
They're building a new crew dragon right now, even after saying they wouldn't

>>15598385
>>15598400
>>15598393
women moment

>>15598385
The top got cut off by the jaws of life so we don't have a complete picture of what the passenger cabin was like, but woof.

>>15598773
>>15598778
>>15598787
One would hope so. But Raptor3 continues to be a moving target and Elon keeps meme-ing the numbers to 9000, 42, and 69. When they started building the plate, we were in Raptor2 territory right? Raptor3 is still in development/testing. The higher the thrust output of the Raptors go, the less time on the pad the entire booster can sit relative to the outwards pressure of the water. The limiting factor won't be the length of water output, but whether the total thrust of 33 raptors out to 9kT of heat + force will overpower the outwards pressure from the Super Heavy Bidet.

That we won't know ultimately until the next launch; and all the launch simulations and tiny little static fires won't ever make up for the actual reality of full throttle 33 Ratpor3s. And reality is a massive cunt. She loves to fuck shit up.

>>15599029
That isn't the problem you think it is because they can just throttle down. They did it during OFT-1 which only used 80% to get off the pad.

>>15599029
They don't have to have any more thrust when launching as the stack still weighs 5000 tons.
Also just have martinez drill bigger hole in plate and add more COPVs

>>15599032
Anon, the pad didn't survive at 80% of 30 Raptor2s at 230T of force. This same design has to carry forward to support all 33 Raptor3s that, to reach 9000T cumulative, need hit 275T.

>>15599035
Kek

>>15599029
Elon has not memed any Raptor specs my lazy concern trolling friend.

>>15599041
Don't be daft on purpose.

>>15599044
Hold yourself to the standard you ask of others my lazy concern trolling friend.

>>15598883
middle is a 2050 rocket, they will build it later

>>15599056
>concern trolling
go back to L2 and reddit

you wouldn't expect it to be made of normal materials

that's not very good either!

not the case.
we're gonna do this fast!

WB-57 footage of IFT is real after all

>>15599103
post the other video its kino.
this looks like shit

>>15599107
We need webms, I would make them but I’m about to drive across the state

https://youtu.be/4934afDhM2c

>>15599103
Something poetic about one of the oldest antique high-altitude planes still surviving observing the historical first flight of what will probably be the leader in the next ~50-100+ years of aerospace flight

>>15598721
Chapter 11

>>15599029
Oh no, the raptors are more powerful than previously thought. Fucking cunt reality what a cunt

>>15599111
>Starship is so god damn massive that if you punched a couple of human sized holes into the body, its still not enough to make the entire super structure failed despite it tumbling on its axis at mach 1.2
Holy fuck.

Nice to see the SX suit

glorious 4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqes7A7Ipns

Would you go to Mars today if the equipment available provides a safe but uncomfortable trip?

>>15599245
Yeah these things are all over town, really weird that there's a moonscape in the visor. I have a feeling that the final call on this design didn't go very high up the chain.

>>15599256
https://youtu.be/CMV850rhcQM

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1685029927081652224

>>15599282
>really weird that there's a moonscape in the visor
you are not prepared

>>15599279
how uncomfortable?

>>15599279
100%

>>15599256
I wonder what the camera operator was thinking seeing this.

>>15599297
Revert to VAB

>>15599301
Why would they go to Vandenberg?

>>15599305

>>15598883
>4 strakes
why would they do that?

>>15599317
probably saves on thrust vectoring somehow

>>15599317
Those shitty things arent long for this world

>>15599321
strakes not fins. the fins are for reentry. the strakes are like what's on super heavy or new glenn.
but it only needs 2 because they fix the roll while gliding back.

Antares rolled out today

>>15598721
proton? wait...

>>15598721
right handed neutrino

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1685043032616509440

>>15598883
middle one was so sexy

>>15598901
they could make a "patchwork" of all the european countries involved

At what exact moment did ITAR rules start applying to Starship? Was it already under ITAR when it was still on paper? Is it ITAR the second NASA/the gooberment throws Artemis money at SX? Or is it only ITAR because SX officially filed for flight permits and it’s then considered a ballistic missile?
Like if I built my own Starship competitor, complete with real hardware that actually worked, but with no intention to actually fly it, does it need to be reported to the government
Maybe ITAR is more vague, like “you can do whatever you want as long as it’s legal. Just don’t sell your shit to overseas nations with sanctions” or something idk

>>15599492
everything is itar, the rules always applied

>>15599468
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1685048326213828608

>>15599492
Everything intended for use in space is ITAR from the beginning.

>>15599488
>ESA announces breakthrough in ultralightweight material science
>this came as a result of ten billion eurodollars invested in the problem of how to bring 30 different full size flags to plant on the moon
I think what will really end up happening is they'll just let whoever goes up bring their home nation's flag, I think astronauts of any country are reasonable enough to tell them to fuck off if they try to get the esa flag planted

all-engine test with deluge you think?

>>15599279
How uncomfortable?

>>15599507
I meant something like a single flag that is a montage of all member countries' flags

https://x..com/SpaceX/status/1685043032616509440

Tagging along with the US for a ride to the Moon ≠ getting to plant your flag there, in my opinion. Sure you can leave trinkets behind, or a small little flag on the ground. But formally planting a large flag indicative of “conquering” is just larp unless you got there yourself
I fucking hate euros and canadians. (Japan and South Korea can plant a flag though, they are the exception)

https://s.com/SpaceX/status/1685043032616509440
best view

>>15599534
europe made the service module

>>15599539
I know. In theory they have a bigger claim than anyone else (besides the US). I still hate Europe though, so no flag for any of em

>>15599534
Canada, Japan and the EU aren't simply tagging along for the ride. That is why they are even being considered for the limited seats available.

>>15599514
that would make sense, simultaneous test of the deluge system + static fire for the booster

>>15599514
spin prime with deluge first

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1685045363533660160

OceanGate co-founder wants to send 1,000 people to a floating colony on Venus by 2050 https://trib.al/4aDysI2

>>15599644
Unironically based

>>15599644
Why do they like high pressure crunching people so much?

>>15599644
Proof venusfags are delusional morons

>>15599557
>spin prime with deluge
you're retarded. not happening

>>15599534
> he thinks the stars and stripes is getting re-planted
lol
lmao even

I didn’t realize Chinese rockets fly over half the country

>>15599644

>>15599703
wait till you find out how many satellites are above you're head

>>15599709
>implying he doesn't intend for surface habitats
do you even pressure vessel bro?

>>15599507
>>this came as a result of ten billion eurodollars invested in the problem of how to bring 30 different full size flags to plant on the moon
Just europlant that barcode euroflag and call it a euroday.

>>15599709
nice try marscuck

>>15599644
another piece solely written to slander private spaceflight.
how interesting and organic.

Excuse me while I go hold my breath and walk outside fucking mars dwellers

>>15599709
>>15599719
You're both pathetic welltroons, bow to the Übermensch

>>15599644

what is with 1970s autism that Jupiter/saturn had lifeforms living in the clouds

>>15599747
That looks nothing like Elon!

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/28/spacex-is-testing-a-flame-deflector-for-starship-without-permits.html
>CNBC has learned that the company didn’t apply for the environmental permits that would typically allow it to discharge industrial process wastewater into the area surrounding that launchpad.
>SpaceX hasn’t disclosed how much water a system test consumes at the site, where that water will run off and what it contains.
>In an email to CNBC, a spokesperson for the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ), the state’s environmental regulator, confirmed that as of July 28, SpaceX had not applied for what is called a Texas Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (TPDES) permit at its Starbase facility.
>SpaceX hasn’t said why it went ahead without a permit and didn’t respond to a request for comment.
This is bad. Look at this article from Lora Kolodny. Eric Roesch told CNBC in an interview that SpaceX is fucked

>>15599858
>Kolodny
Every time.

>>15598562
>Elon should have just copied what NASA did fifty years ago
NASA has a habit of over-engineering things. Case in point: the Apollo Crawler-transporter.
>6 million pounds
>self powered
>largest land vehicle in the world for almost 50 years
>carries the Saturn V rocket AND its launch tower
>moves along a single road from VAB to launchpad and nowhere else
>7-mile road is made of special river-rocks brought all the way from Tennessee to Florida
It never occurred to them to just use train tracks and a couple engines. Or maybe it did, and the Tennessee senator shot down their idea in favor of the one that used his state's special rocks.

>>15599764
I think the idea stems from some people using the gas Giants to represent hell, and coupled with the idea that extreme environments like the unreachable depths of the ocean breeds both monsters and demons

>>15599858
>kolodny

SLS green run thread was hilarious

>>/sci/thread/12588909#p12589969

>>15599858
it's drinking water you stupid bitch.
they take it from a fire hydrant

>>15599919
?
its a salt water area you idiot
dumping fresh water kills everything

Does it rain salt water?

>>15599933
next to the ocean it does

>>15599927
>kills everything
there is nothing there you faggot nigger literally just sand.
do you see either any salt water or things to be killed in this video?
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1685048326213828608

>>15599933
no, salt can't evaporate

>>15599858
TPDES is so easy to get too hahah. They’ll probably need associated ICIS and storm water permits

>>15599858
>>15599952
>Lora Kolodny pretends to know what sort of permit this exact system in this exact place would require

SpaceX under their cirrent site permit is allowed to dump X amount of water.
I wouldn't be surprised if this falls under that.
Reminder that they're also allowed to dump 30 metric tons of methane into the atmosphere every test that they do.

>>15599858
>unironically using ESG Hound as the source

>>15599937
I hear the screams of a trillion boca chica beetles and then...silence

>>15599956
No it’s pretty standard. TCEQ has it streamlined, I deal with them everyday for my environmental drilling wagie job. Even light industrial sites that barely do anything “industrial” are register in the TPDES system

>>15598827
>SOON

>>15599937
yes they killed everything already with construction and driving trucks around on sand flats and lights and super loud sounds...

>>15599968
as if millions of beetles suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced

carrizo comecrudosisters...
they are putting water on our sacred land

S28 being cryo tested right now.
masseys will turn out to be a huge deal.
this so much alleviates downtime at the launch site.

It has nothing to do with freshwater or saltwater or ecosystems. Look up TCEQ TRRP PCLs, that’s what they are worried about. Yeah they might be pumping clean water, but it’s an industrial site so that water is going to pick up chemicals. TCEQ isn’t about “save the fishes!” it’s about “huh we measured your runoff water and it came back with 0.00037 ug/L of Bromo-2-chloroethane, 1- which is well over the texas background standard protective concentration limit for commercial sites with a 30-acre source area”
It’s real autism stuff. They just don’t want your site releasing chemicals above their standards

>>15599999
they don't drill oil. there are no weird chemicals involved.

>>15600001
you are always using chemicals in these industrial processes, like at home when you dump oil in your backyard but its a large business so they check what you do

>>15599858
>google search Lora Kolodny
>Tesla FUD
>SpaceX fud
>google search Eric Roesch
>ESG Hound

LMAO

>>15599996

>>15600001
Anon they are looking for even the sliiiightest amounts of hundreds of different types of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and volatile organic compounds and heavy metals and stuff. It’s an industrial site, that shit is guaranteed to be everywhere in the subsurface due to on-site operations

>>15598247
The An-225 was at my city's airport during the coof and I didn't find out until shortly after since I wasn't exactly expecting it so I didn't follow planned movements, I was quite annoyed about missing that. I'm low-key seething now.

>>15600012
is eric jewish or german or both?

>>15599999
THEY'RE PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE SOIL AND TURNING THE FREAKING BEETLES GAY

>>15600010
>you are always using chemicals in these industrial processes
no you don't. all they do there is weld steel and pour concrete and excavate dirt.
>>15599999
faggot quints. they should make starship run off beef tallow as fuel and fluorine trichloride as oxidizer to spite the envirocucks

>>15600026
i guess it's called chlorine triflouride

>>15600026
lol buddy
What do you think you do in a factory, do you think its clean? They are using chemicals in every single process to speed it up or get the results they want..

are the polycyclic hydrocarbons in the room with us right now schizo?

>>15600026
You can fuck up a site just by building a few houses. You’ll need TCEQ stormwater permits just because you’re digging and that dirt can be transported to public drainage systems. And all the concrete, caulking, drywall, paint, plaster, etc has minute amounts of different chemicals that can slowly spill over time and concentrate in the shallow water table and then migrate to other properties. All it takes is a few humans doing regular ol’ construction to inadvertently introduce hundreds of chemicals to an area. And we’re talking like 10^-3 or 4 ug/L here (that’s very fucking small, by the way)
That’s all it takes to show up in a lab and require additional permitting

>>15599492
If you're in US jurisdiction, any technology that falls in ITAR-restricted categories is immediately covered, no declarations or legal technicalities necessary. It's kind of like 80% lowers getting finished except even knowing it's an 80% lower is ITAR-controlled info

>>15599747
If he drew a pair of Bernal Spheres it would be Bova deez nuts.

reminder that OFT-2 might not happen until next year

>>15600071
No reason to think that.
I trust the FAA

>>15599381
Gonna miss it

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36913835
https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2023/07/23/spacex-punched-a-hole-in-the-ionosphere/
>SpaceX punched a hole in the ionosphere
ITS OVER

Reminder that Starship will fly at least two more times before the year is over

reminder that they don't want you to know that starship is actually t

New pics of the AmurSPG Russian reusable rocket

>lol, lmao even

>>15600089
It’s cool, actually

>>15600089
Well I guess if it works.

>>15600090
Oh yeah that reminds me. Does starship float? I'd imagine if you failed to reach orbit you have to ditch in the ocean, and you can't fly back to shore even early in the flight.

>>15598668
>The other 3 cameras from NASA WB-57 have been classified
What did they mean by this?

>>15600130
It IR and shit. They're probably still using it for reconnaisance.

>>15600089
The cool thing about this is that with how most Russian launch trajectories spend so much time over Siberia the Amur's equivalent of droneship landings could all aim for a downrange pad and then catch a train back to Baikonur or Plesetsk.

>>15600163
>0:05
looks like they have a specific spray pattern based on the engine layout; at 5 seconds you can clearly see circular areas with higher water flow rate, corresponding to the outer 20 engines