/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15594403
Fucked up the bake. But it should still be usable. In ~2 weeks when this bread expires, I'll make it right (maybe).
Anyways, I need some chemistry/biology/organic chemistry laboratory tip, trips, and hacks. I always make myself into a hot mess in the lab class. I really want to have a research-based career so this is very discerning.

I'm a 27yo ex-neet who's graduating soon with MSc in EE. How fucked am I job marketwise?

>>15594412
Im usually the go-to guy for any labwork that needs to be done well. I've also taught a lot of undergrads, even as an undergrad.
The most general tips I can give is to be conscious of where your limbs are. Always watch what you're doing and know where your hands are. Everything is a potential spill or break hazard, everything is assumed dirty, and prepare accordingly. Push everything away from the edges. And quit being so damn nervous, that'll make you mess up more. Usually students are too high strung on 'messing up' they can't even do the procedure half right.
Ask some more specific questions or give me some specific problem areas you have and I will gladly help more!

>>15594412
I was godly in o chem labs after shitposting on drug synthesis forums for a few weeks. Not kidding, no other modern resource is as useful.

>>15594517
Got any specific forums that I can browse?

Bros can someone in their 30s get a PHD? Or is it too late? I wanna get one in physics after getting my eng masters

>>15594712
Not too late to do anything, just what you're willing to give up and do for it. What are your intentions to do with this PhD?

>>15594741
Just a personal hobby interest. There is no reason to do it

Not sure whether to do my optics masters or not. I had to beg to get into the program because I was a garbage undergrad student, but now that I'm in I'm not sure. It's extremely expensive and optics seems like a really specialized industry that will basically force you to move to California at some point.
I've got a company who said they'll pay for it but I'll have to stay with them for 2 years after it's completed, which means 4 years at the same company, which sounds like a great way to get fucked over on salary in the age of job hopping. I'd have to quit my current job to go join them but I'm not sure.

>>15594763
A PhD program can destroy any love for your hobby; it's one of the dangers of turning a personal passion to a career.

>>15594451
When your measuring a reagent, is it better to go a bit more than the required amount of a bit less? And to what extent?

>>15594439
No no I don't think that you need that many

I just like Mechanical Engineering. I like designing shit. I love modelling. CAD feels to me like I imagine drawing feels to an artist. I feel at home.

But I really hate school. I'm just halfway through and feel like I just wanna quit and continue onwards from this current internship forever.

>>15594439
Honestly, from what I've seen lately just curious what the job market is looking like you might be SOL. Typically with no experience with a masters you would join a company as a level 2. This is cool, but lately it seems majority of companies are not hiring entry level or level 2. Straight to level 3's and higher. Companies overhired like crazy at the lower levels up to beginning of the year and now they need more experienced people in their teams. You might be SOL, but won't be impossible if you look hard enough.

>>15594763
PhD becomes your life. You will work 24/7 for it. Do some studies on your own time and keep up with the literature if it's just an interest, it isn't worth it otherwise. Remember, a PhD program isn't just research. It's also teaching retard-level classes, applying for grants, plus presentations and conferences. It really takes over your life.
>>15595025
chemistry is always about a little excess to hit a target. You always measure just a tad more. To what extent? That depends on the equipment youre using to measure it, and what amounts we are talking about, and what substance we are talking about.
It's all very vague, i know, but the biggest point I want to make is that no matter what you end up measuring, you have to use that new measurement for your calculations. You need 3g and you measured out 3.2g? Redo your stoichiometry for 3.2g. This is a huge blind spot for many students for some reason.
>>15595168
i feel that. almost quit halfway through chemistry, then realized nobody will take you without that degree. get through it without killing yourself or burning out and you'll enjoy the fruits of your labor.

Anyone want to give feedback on my CV? I'm currently in academia but probably NGMI there so looking to pivot to industry. I'd like to have a technical/R&D role.

Apologies if the redacting is obnoxious.

>>15594439
I was in same position and got a good paying job. Does MSc mean you’re a britbonger? You’re fucked then anyway cos engineers get no money over there

>>15595536
>text text text text
I'd fall asleep trying to read that but I am a short attention span zoomer after all.

>>15595536
>Anon E. Moose
fucking kek, well done. maybe the Dutch are alright afterall
I think it looks good at first glance. very readable.

>>15594451
Have you ever seen anybody use the emergency eyewash station?

>>15595688
Nope. I'm a huge stickler for safety and goggles though, so that may be a good reason why. When walking through the hallways, I always popped into labs that weren't mine and did a 'goggle audit'. We can't replace our eyes, keep them safe.
The worst injury I've seen was a labmate in gradschool that cut the web of his hand open with some glass from an old schlenk line/gas trap that snapped while taking off some rubber hosing (never force glass, kids!!!)
The worst I've had myself was a tiny drop of conc nitric acid on the back of my hand. The spot turned simpson yellow and flaked off. It's been like 7 years since it happened, I think that drop was hanging off something but I don't quite remember.
The absolute lack of regard for safety can be quite common in chem labs, so don't be afraid to be "that guy". Prevention is everything.

How's the Aerospace Industry in america? I'm pretty much dead set about pursuing it, but my only option in germany is Airbus, whos HR and Exec turned out to be a bunch of fags (I know a guy) and also focuses on airliners. Are the states in a better state?

Wow, this threads sucks

>>15595575
Perhaps a TikTok dance CV for the zoom zoom recruiters.

>>15595602
Thanks, anon.

>>15595932

>>15595975
Im jus' bumpin', Sir, sorry for the trouble

>>15595816
If you're not American, it's somewhat limited due to so many aerospace defense corporations or companies getting defense contracts.

>>15596154
You mean defense takes up most of the american AS industry, and I wouldn't receive clearance?

>>15596177
It's a good chunk, and you can probably be an aerospace engineer for civilian aircraft/etc, but most of (what I consider) the cool stuff would be done as a defense contract or by almost purely defense corporations which would be hard to get clearance as.

>>15595816
You should apply to work for JAXA in Japan and then use your German mind tricks to convince the Japanese government to give JAXA more budget

>>15596216
thats a shame, but thanks for the advice
>>15596224
Dieses mal ohne Italien

Aside from academia, what are some things one can do with a physics PhD?

>>15595536
If you want to take a gamble, you could go foa postdoc focussed on LK-99. Publications started out with desperation to be first but later publications look promising. If there is hope, we will see the same craze as when High Tc superconductors were big in the late 80s.

Is PhD funding from a private company a thing in all European countries? I know it's the case in France (CIFRE) and in Norway (Naerings-PhD) but what about UK, Germany, Switzerland for example? How about doing a PhD and getting a fund from a European-International institution, is that a thing?

>>15596521
Anything related to engineering, hell you can even go into finance or consulting. Since you're >>15595536 and you come from Oxford you really shouldn't have any problem.

>>15596957
So the /biz/ crossboarder is now invading this thread after not being already content with spamming the rest of the board

>>15597013
>So the /biz/ crossboarder
Hardly. I am firmly in /sci/ and my PhD was a similar gamble. In my case it was a monumental career catastrophe but you could be luckier. It is when you are young you can take such chances.

BS in Compsci. Straight up unable to get a job this year (also graduated this year). Unable to get a coding test even. Seems I graduated at the right time to get fucked. I have a few internships and relevant coursework. Not really sure what else I can do. My parents are telling me that if I want to keep living with them I have to take more loans and get a Masters but I'm pretty sure I'm going to crash and burn if I do that.
What do?

Seems the semiconductor industry is slowly waking up to reality:
>New Education Alliance Aims to Strengthen Future Talent Pools
https://archive.is/F8anv
>Talent development is currently one of the top concerns of the semiconductor industry.
>And this week, the Semiconductor Industry Association (SIA), in partnership with Oxford Economics, released a study that suggests the U.S. faces a significant shortage of technicians, computer scientists and engineers—with a projected shortfall of 67,000 of these workers in the semiconductor industry by 2030 and a gap of 1.4 million such workers throughout the broader U.S. economy.
>Separately, the SEMI Foundation predicts that an estimated 1 million positions globally will need to be filled in the semiconductor industry. The combination of strong worldwide demand and the re-shoring efforts in many regions driven by legislation supporting the building of new chip fabs presents challenges in terms of both hiring talent for current needs, and nurturing the workforce of the future with education programs at all levels.
Perhaps they will realise they have to offer decent pay. Once the bet and brightest worked on electronics and the space race; now they work in the surveillance economy.
>The idea is to bring together key stakeholders across industry, academia and government to address the growing challenges of both finding talent and upskilling the existing workforce.
Words like "stakeholders" are a bad sign.
>Mismatch between higher education and industry needs
They forget the mismatch with pay and expectation
>Ensuring diversity
Errrrrrrrrr...
>chip manufacturing and re-shoring being prioritized by many leaders.
Let's see.

>>15597084
I have a BSEE and targeted semiconductors as my specialization and desired job sector coming out of college. I lasted 4 months and got the fuck out of there. I realized I would be working 12 hour shift work on the fab floor for the rest of my life side by side with high school educated operators. I couldn't even get an interview for an office role where the actual engineering work was being done, I was just an autoreject and seemed like you needed a PhD minimum. They can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned. I hope they have such bad staffing issues that their gay "fabs" are in crisis for years to come.
It didn't help that I worked for dipshit pay and they always build their gay fabs right in the middle of extremely HCOL areas.

>>15597286
I didn't just ghost either, I tried to have an honest conversation with my employer and I told them that I wanted to move to an actual engineering role. They basically laughed at me told me I didn't have the education or experience and I wasn't qualified. I said see ya. Now a few months later I switched industries, increased my salary by $40k, cut my living expenses in half, and have an actual desk job where I get to do design work. Getting out of that industry was one of the best things that happened to me. The people are so shitty there, they all have such arrogance and contempt for everyone around them and gatekeep their prized positions hard as fuck. Then turn around and bitch to the media that no one has the credentials to get hired. They ran me off that's for sure, so good job. Just a shitty place to work in general.

>>15597286
semiconductors seem like the GOAT of manufacturing (generally new facilities, shiny equipment, cool but a bitch-to-wear clean room suits). I work in manufacturing but shit like chemical plants, oil&gas, power plants, doing industrial automation. it's not a bad gig

>>15597307
It's all hype and image for the media. Trust me it isn't cool. Maybe you are referring to the technology and engineering behind the processes that's cool? Well guess what, you'll never have anything to do with that side of things.
I can tell you coming out of college I was THE semiconductor guy. I blew the interview team's socks off. They were thrilled with me. I knew everything. One of them even told me during the panel interview to my face "You are definitely going to be working here." There was never any doubt or deliberation. Little did I know what he meant is that I was going to be on shift doing glorified technician work. Go to tool 34, open procedure, follow step by step guide like lego instructions. Remove screw 25C. Switch part.
That's the problem really, they want massive overqualification, they want a bachelor's degree for work that a high school graduate would be doing in any other industry. Then when everyone leaves for greener pastures where their degree is actually valued, they act shocked that they can't find workers.

>>15597307
No, working in a semiconductor factory is hard work, as hard as a factory job.

>>15597337
did it pay a lot though

>>15597719
No.

>>15596986
I am not that guy and from my experience engineering positions want people who actually studied engineering, physics

What is the difference between having a PhD, a master's, or a bachelor's in cybersecurity in terms of work opportunities? Next year I might have the possibility of doing a PhD but I'm not sure it will help me in finding a good job in the industry (I'm not really interested in academia)

>>15597857
I guess the FAQ should be updated with a warning against that industry.

FAQ Update
https://sciencecareergeneral.neocities.org/
The FAQ is updated to 1.31, big thanks to all the inputs. It is 5 months since last update, but I am still here, just been busy. Also we still need more, this one is nowhere near completed.

Changelog, for those who care, is in the source.

>>15597307
>generally new facilities, shiny equipment, cool but a bitch-to-wear clean room suits

Sounds like this experience is only available at car manufacturers who can afford to upgrade facilities every time they redesign a car model

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHTDYblWn4E

>>15597307
>>15598401
TSMC said American workers can not handle working at a semiconductor factory because chip facilities have to run 24/7 and therefore, overtime and rotating shifts are necessary. Even in Taiwan, they say do not work for TSMC if you do not want to get treated like you are in Army Boot Camp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb43vKj2g1o

>>15599042
I've actually worked in TSMC fabs in Taiwan, the entire Asian superiority thing is bullshit. They work extremely long hours and even sleep on-site but they do virtually no work. It's almost cult like where no one wants to go home and be seen as not dedicated, like simply being there is all that counts. They spend most of their time dressing up and dressing down, sleeping in the bathroom, and going to 7-11 multiple times every shift and eating snack food junk in the cafeteria.
It's unironic bugman lifestyle. They're right that Americans don't want to do it but it's not because we're work averse, it's because we aren't retarded.
There was this one girl who's entire job it was to sit in an empty room outside the gowning area and look into your hard hat to make sure you weren't taking anything out the clean room.
That was her entire job. 12 hours a day of sitting at a table in an empty room, staring at the wall. No phone, no books, nothing. Just absolutely braindead monotony that would be considered torture in any other context.

>>15599014
What can the average undergrad do to help?

Aren't the requirements to become a PE kind of retarded? If everyone stops doing it then it just becomes increasingly difficult to become one as time goes on. I personally was interested in becoming one but I couldn't find a decent job where I would work under one. The only job I found was a $50k a year "electrical intern" role at a design shop like the FAQ says, making electrical drawings for construction projects in Revit, and literally all my coworkers only had associate's degrees in drafting, so I instantly knew I was underemployed so I left. Not only was the salary garbage, you get an embarrassing job title because they don't consider you an engineer since you don't have a PE. Imagine having "electrical intern" on your resume for 4 years and then EVER trying to get out the drafting business.

Any company recommendations for in The Netherlands?
Wanna do mechanical/software/robotics stuff, open to anything

>>15599130
If you work for le ASML you can literally get paid to stand in a clean room and fart and have your farts cleansed by the most advanced HVAC systems in the world.

How are there only 139 openings currently posted on usajobs.gov?
Crash incoming?

>>15599158
Nice lol.
Yea, I think I have a similar feeling as a previous poster here with these companies.
There are close to zero junior engineering positions, and a technician role feels a bit boring
But might be a good option money wise

>>15599104
To help, in what way do you mean?

>>15599165
>Crash incoming?
More like crash ongoing. The FAANG job massacres triggered by Elon Musk is propagating elsewhere.

>>15599177
>The FAANG job massacres triggered by Elon Musk
Quite based.
Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.

>>15599177
The FAQ, sorry if I wasn't precise

From last thread: >>15588540
>Anyone did some kind of Science/Business degree?
The science/management study at NTNU in Norway is very popular. I don't know people who have done it myself, but they are being marketed as high flyers.

>>15599273
Right. The FAQ lists a lot of stuff that is missing, any input on those will be welcome.
Also the FAQ is heavy on Physics but less for other fields.

There are many guides that purport to cover the same stuff, but this one is very different since the anonymity permits us all to be brutally honest in a world where many have a huge interest in lying.

Bros which is a more useful degree? Bachelor of science (Chemistry) or (Materials)?

What other useful STEM would you recommend someone not as great with maths

>>15600934
Materials probably
>t. masters in chem

>>15600972
>Materials probably
As in this is the most useful?

I noticed there is a bit of math involved (higher than chem in the degree structure) could I be fucked? I haven't done math in 8 years

>>15600988
I'll preface by saying im in the US.
It's a bitch to get hired with chem and anything chem related in my experience. Even moreso everyone misinterprets what I actually do, so they don't think my skills are relevant. Don't get me wrong, I really loved chem and all my experience with it, but outside of research it's just not that desirable (in my personal experience).
Materials will get you bumping butts with engineering skills and people, which is always in demand.
Don't be scared of the math, if you put in the time and practice it'll come just fine. I always tell my students that math is a muscle, not something you memorize, and they still fail because they don't practice.

I am looking to change to a different industry.

I have an MSEE and have worked as a software engineer for the last few years.

I took classes in signal/image processing, machine learning, and control systems.

What jobs let you write code and do some math (graph algorithms, linear algebra, calculus, stats)?

I have worked in computer vision, but it is getting taken over by machine learning approaches, which are boring from a math perspective.

I know some guys doing data science, and it also seems pretty boring from a math perspective.

Some industries that seem interesting, but I don't know anything about: flight controls, numerical simulation, math solvers, control systems, remote sensing, computer graphics.

Anyone have any recommendations for other industries?

Anyone have any insights on the above?

>>15599014
Thank you a lot!

If I understand correctly we can sketch from the information resource a tier list of countries where to do a PhD:

>Top Tier
USA
>Good Tier
UK, Germany, Switzerland
>Ok Tier
Norway
>Meh Tier
France, Australia, New Zealand
>Bad Tier
Russia

Where would you guys rank other countries on this list and why? Canada? Other European countries, Scandinavia? Japan? Anything?

>>15594403
>it's that easy.jpg
yet, it needs a lot of efforts both mentally and physically

I’m so burnt out on my shitty IT degree and I’m not even done yet, part of me yearns to brush up on my math and pursue engineering (I have a bunch of scholarships that pay for everything in full, and I feel like I’m wasting it)
There’s barely any entry level IT jobs in my city that’s known for its tech industry

>>15601850
>Thank you a lot!
You are welcome.
>If I understand correctly we can sketch from the information resource a tier list of countries where to do a PhD:
This is one of the ugly cases where culture trumps facts.
From earlier threads we have examples that a degree from NTNU counts for more than any other place in Norway. Outside Norway it is betweek OK and meh.
Also in Japan, a degree from Tōday, Kyōdai etc. is sugoi! but doesn't cut as much ice abroad.
Time Higher Education supplement heavily favours Oxford and Cambridge.

TLDR: there are many lists but the value of a degree depends heavily on where you plan to go.

>>15602253
we need a huge disclaimer at the top that just says "IT DEPENDS" haha

>get job a year ago
>5 people including myself in this role
>2 extra people that were recently promoted
>1 year later I am the only person that wasn’t reassigned or quit
>2 quit within the last week
>2 extra people are still there and have moved back into the role I have temporarily while we look to hire 3 new people
Thoughts on this? I get complimented on my work all the time. Should I ask for a raise? My job is pretty challenging and there is a high turnover rate because a lot of people can’t handle it and get burned out.

>>15602632
Sounds like you have a lot of leverage now and are VERY valuable to the company. Always ask for raises - if you don't get a raise every year, you technically get a pay cut due to inflation.

>>15602638
It’s an employee owned company so benefits are good. People usually get a cost of living raise every year at the end of the fiscal year. Usually between 3-5%. People do get merit increases throughout the year though.

>>15596986
Fraunhofer in Germany has a ton of PhD students, although I don't know if it's via a university and they're just placed there or if they're hired directly. I know that other research institutes there also take in PhD students, but again, not sure if they're directly employed or not.

Here in Sweden it seems like half of all STEM PhD students are industrial ones, and it's very convenient to get funding that way.

In belgium I think they have something called "baekeland mandat" which is a sort of cooperation between industry and a university from what I've understood. I've also encountered an industry funded phd from Italy and Turkey before.

>>15601850
I'd put Sweden in good tier. Funding is readily available and easy to get, very close connections to industry which makes it very easy to exit there. And a lot of younger universities that hire postdocs and junior profs, which while not particularly ideal or prestigious means that you have really good job security even compared to the US.

>>15602253
It's also very industry specific, like how certain Scandinavian universities are very well regarded for their CS programs, while their physics and chemistry programs are meh. And of course, the more niche your research gets the less important the institution is and the more important your research group becomes.

>>15602632
Ask for a raise, and if needed sweeten the deal by talking about how you'd love to take extra responsibility with training the new hires to help justify the raise.

>>15602099
if scholarships can pay, then go for it. what country? some places can be awful for IT, like the UK i've heard (USA brain here). Or is the full scholarship only for IT?

Is it possible to offer to do undergrad research with the professors in my college for free? How do I go about in doing so?

>>15603135
I did undergrad research for four semesters of undergrad with two professors (invertebrate paleontology and vertebrate paleontology). I took a lot of initiative relative to the rest of the people in my year and took classes meant for seniors and that I didn’t have the prerequisites for. I think that kind of stuff stood out when I asked the professors to take me on as a student. Definitely helped that my university did not offer graduate degrees so I wasn’t competing with grad students.

>>15603135
talk to your professors. All I did was ask around and either you get your answer right away or you bounce between people until you do. Literally just ask and have a conversation.
Do your research beforehand first, though. Look into what the professors do for their research, what you're interested in, and if you're okay with anything, just have a rough idea before talking to them.

>>15603191
Would I need something to make myself stand out with? I'm sure they have tons of undergrads wanting to research with them for free.

National Lab (USA) chads still winning.

>>15601893
no, it's literally that easy

Dr. Chud made it to the news!!
Very proud of him.
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/damar-hamlins-collapse-nfl-game-cardiac-arrest-commotio-cordis-tufts-doctor-christopher-madias/

Major in Chemistry or Computer Science?

Currently doing CS, took some intro courses, and I'm not really sure if I like it. Basically, I love Calculus but suck at it, also I think I get burned out by making algorithms everyday.

My only exposure with Chemistry is a high school Zoom class. Material was fun and boring at times, have no clue what the lab work would've been like.
I'm also pretty sure the stereotype regarding Chem and Bio is just memorizing a shit ton of vocabulary and structures, is this true?

>graduate BSEET
in January
>tell my employer I need a 20% increase in pay since I was already in an engineering role before graduating
>8% increase during yearly reviews
>randomly moved into a leadership role last week w/ another 20% increase & 10% bonus

Bseet bros wgmi

>>15602632
Get more forsure. At the very least test the market and get an offer and see if they will match

>>15603307
How hard is it to get a job at a national lap with a PhD in nuclear physics or quantum computing?

>>15603525
I have a PhD, and despite the constant whining you hear about it as a profession, I love it. I'm a researcher at a national lab innadesert and I feel like I have a fulfilling and meaningful job. I also make comfy six figures, have gubmint bennies, and can't be fired. I also don't have to work with communists and Sir(s) in the bay area.

It's not about memorizing, there is some, but once you understand the fundamental concepts you can get into research and really have fun. I've never done programming for a living, but I never liked the idea of following the masses of lemmings that throw themselves into the same sector assuming infinite growth forever. I've heard it explained to me that CS is where you make bank until you VERY suddenly don't. There is no regulation or protection, and there are always literal millions of people who can do you job for much less. Science is never going to be as lucrative on average as engineering of any kind, but that's fine with me because I never had an interest in it anyway. Chemists also do far better on average than other pure science majors as far as income.

There are things I could have chosen purely for the sake of money, but I had a feeling that I would have felt hollow just chasing paper.

>>15603704
Depends on whether or not you're a US citizen, and whether or not the lab you're applying to is a weapons lab. Los Alamos (black mesa) where I may work (the greatest laboratory in the free world, and probably beyond). They hire a LOT of people with backgrounds in anything nuclear due to the various areas of the weapons program and plenty for the sake of fundamental research. It's primarily a physics laboratory, and if you have a PhD in nuclear physics, you almost certainly have a place somewhere at LA. I don't know about quantum computing, but I do know that LA has a large CS division. I think that Argonne National Laboratory (in Lemont, IL) is finishing Aurora soon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(supercomputer)

They have a pretty healthy CS division too, but they're primarily a DOE lab, which typically have less overall funding but you might want to look into them.

Anyway, getting into postdoc/staff positions at national labs can be pretty competitive (LA only hires ~3% of applicants) because they are really great jobs for both scientists and engineers, but Americans with the skill sets usually have a good shot. I recommend Los Alamos for a lot of reasons, but it is pretty remote. Sandia is also a weapons lab and is close to Albuquerque but they're more materials science engineering focused.

If you want a staff position at any national lab, it's a near absolute requirement to postdoc at them. The postdoc positions are really good because you get an excellent work/life balance and they pay more than university postdocs (even top ones) by a mile, many start at around $100k plus fellowship money, etc.

If you want to get in on the action, look for postdoc positions and just email the group leader and get a dialogue going. These places aren't all about academic pedigree, but what skills you bring to the table.

Started new job last week.
Was talking to boss in his office.
Said he was surprised at how hard this job was to fill and that he thought it would have gone quick. Said they offered it to a 4.0 guy from my same school but the guy rejected it.
Sounds like I was the bottom of the barrel pick then.

>>15603704
I should also mention that if you postdoc/covert to staff at a national lab and get a Q (or higher) clearance, you can get really good job options just for that.

>>15603525
Take CS. The job market in chemistry has been very dismal for a while now both in academia and industry.

>>15603753
Their lower standards mean you will impress them more.

>>15603525
there are few jobs with chemistry. go for cs

I wish I could job hop again.

>>15603717
Is chemistry better than material science in getting a job? And where would u even apply for a chemistry bachelor? If I neeted my way to 30 what would even be the odds of getting PhD?

>>15603963
>what would even be the odds of getting PhD?
People get PhDs at a wide range of ages, if you start now, you would probably get it in your late 30s.

>Is chemistry better than material science in getting a job?
Not too sure, depends on country and specific skillset.

>And where would u even apply for a chemistry bachelor?
Anywhere really, doesn't have to be a top school, but make sure that you have access to ample undergraduate research positions in labs at your school. That's the most important thing about undergrad in chemistry.

>>15603983
But in terms of job prospects where would you even go as a graduated chem major? With passable marks

>>15603752
How much does it help if I have relatives who have worked in deterrence and on related projects? What kind of postgraduate researchis most interesting to them? Lattice QCD? Nuclear structure? Heavy elements? Light elements? Low energy nuclear physics?

>>15603752

What kind of discipline of engineers do they take for Los Alamos? What would be the min degree requirement? And how hard would it be to get in?

Could you get a job there from being in one of the big western countries? Or only US citizen?

>>15604313
>reddit spacer is too fucking stupid to simply go to their career site and read the information he is asking for that is posted clear as day on the job postings.

>>15604323
I just had a look they don't mention if u need citizenship or not. Isn't this shit classified if it isnt? Do they take everyone

Sorry for the late reply but I think I'm going to become a pathologist.

>>15603841 >>15603861 suggested to worry about the job market while >>15603717 suggested to follow interests. I took a career test and Pathology was one of the careers that matched with my interests. It has math, bio, chemistry, and physics, and since I can't decide on one I'll just do them all. Looks like the demand for them is good too, so searching for jobs shouldn't be a problem. I'll probably continue with CS as a hobby but nothing more.
I'll also start with a BS in Clinical Lab Science for background and so I can get employed. It's going to take a while and I'll probably go through hell, but I want to live a life with little regrets so I'll go on the grind.
Thx guys.

>>15604337
Virtually every job says you need the ability to obtain a clearance which implies you must be a US citizen.

>>15604368
Is it possible if you are from the UK to get a clearance?

>>15604374
What part of US citizen did you not understand

>>15604385
Oppenheimer's mates weren't born in the US either and got theirs

>>15604352
>suggested to follow interests
I do, but not to the exclusion of consideration of the job market. Chemistry is decent, no CS good, but good enough to live a decent life and maybe make it by investing in garloid milking farm stocks. You should never just chase money because that WILL lead to burnout and misery. You choices should come from consideration of a balance of those two things.

>>15604392
You aren't Oppenheimer's mates.

I moved 4 hours away from home for a job. I miss my mommy. She called today to talk. I already want to go back. She said my cat is depressed and won't eat and claws at my bedroom door trying to get in. This is sad.

>>15604438
Do zoom calls with family and cat. I started doing this and it helps a lot.

>>15604438
Take the cat to your new place. He misses you

>>15604427
So it is possible to get US clearance from other countries? Its just very hard? How rare are these exceptions?

>>15604588
I don't work in the counterintelligence office at LA, but I know that plenty of foreign nationals have gotten them. I work with a few, but it is more difficult. Maybe email counterintelligence and just ask them about the success rate for foreigners from allied countries.

>>15604636
>>15604588

I just realised. If I become a US citizen then its possible. So how does engineers/scientists get one form an allied country?

>>15604636

Is there a visa that lets u become a US Citizen for pursuing STEM career?

I’ve wanted to become and engineer for years, but I’m too stupid to get into the field (or any STEM field)
Genuinely depressed about this. Maybe I was just born to be a grunt in the army

>>15604588
Dude how many times do you need to hear it.
You must be a US citizenship to get a security clearance.

>>15604755
>I’ve wanted to become and engineer for years, but I’m too stupid to get into the field
There are some very stupid engineers anon. You could probably do it if you don't mind going through the programs and licensing more slowly.

Hell, in undergrad I knew a black girl who took nearly 8 years to get her bachelors in chemical engineering, attending full time. But she did it. She's probably off somewhere destroying shit as we speak.

>>15604778
>8 years to get her bachelors in chemical engineering

I did 1 subject per semester and finished mine in 8 with good marks. I don't see anything wrong with this

>>15604588
maybe in 40years when you're the world renowned nigger in whatever subfield the US government needs to develop bombs that work on the space gook. until then, you won't be getting a job in that department unless you're a God Blessed American.

>>15604755
Anyone can get into optometry school. I hear podiatry school is hardpressed for students.

>>15604755
Gonna let you in on a secret: engineers are stuck up douchebags who try to reassure themselves of their own intelligence by figuring out what you don't know and attacking it. You might try to have an honest discussion with an engineer, but if their knowledge runs out instead of trying to understand or doing anything you might expect from a reasonable, educated person, they will take it as a challenge and try to embarrass you by finding what you're ignorant of.

TL;DR you can probably be an engineer, it just the one you know are assholes who want you to feel stupid

>>15604778
It took me 11 years to get my engineering degree. I'm totally incompetent and only care about money.

>>15604855
But that doesn't mean I can't get a US Citizenship? Isn't there a pathway that if I live in US for 5 years I get one?

>>15604866
>>15604860
>>15604778
Thank you anons, I should at least give it a good shot before I give up

>>15604908
in 5 years? probably only marrying a US citizen otherwise its like 10+ years.

>>15604908
Just because you meet the official requirements doesn't mean you magically get your citizenship that day in the mail.
Meeting the minimum requirements only means you are eligible to formally begin the process, which can take years unto itself.

>>15604847
If you have no scholarships or work full time or come in with zero credit, it can make some sense to go slow.

But that is not most people.

>>15605014
I was a neet

>>15605008
>>15605004
So the Oppenheimer dream is over bros?

>>15605020
Oppenheimer was American. Shoot for Von Neumann, Ulam, or Teller.

>>15605020
if you're a female, you can marry me and go work for los alamos. i'll vouch for you.

>>15605027
>Shoot for Von Neumann, Ulam, or Teller.
He can't have dream about those since they didn't make hollyjew movie about it yet

>>15594403
What are you working on RIGHT NOW anons?

>Waiting for my experiment to finish running
>Sipping coffee and reading some student papers

>>15602986
I’m in the US, but I also can’t move to a better market. The scholarships are for anything, a lot of them expire at 25 though. I’m currently 21

>>15599014
Let me add some notes on Chemical Engineering.
>Is Chemical Engineering a good career choice?
Depends on where you want to go. Realistically, being a process engineer in an large chemical or O&G company is really the only route you have. There's a lot of shilling that promotes chemical engineering as some sort of Jack of All Trades and you don't have to settle for a O&G job. In actuality, this is patently false. You will be competing with MechEs for the those non-O&G positions, and the competition is far more fierce than the O&G industry. If you don't believe me, you can look at process engineer positions on job boards.
>How much do Chemical Engineers make?
When I was going to school. We were shilled by job boards and teachers that ChEs could make something around $200k/yr average and the starting salary around $100k/yr. Now, the average and starting salary dropped significantly and the competition is far more fierce cause the O&G industry went belly up.

>>15599014
>>15606360
>Is the course material for ChE difficult?
Yes, extraordinarily difficult. There's something like an 75-80% dropout rate for chemical engineering programs. When you drop out, there's not many programs you can transfer to outside of maybe chemistry. So, if you flunk out in your softmore or junior year. You're looking at least another 2yrs tacked onto your time in college, easy. Additionally, failing out of your senior year isn't unheard of. I should add the caveat that the ChE material is actually pretty easy. The way the tests and projects are weighted make it so that you're constantly on a knife's edge of flunking.
>What what do you do anon?
I am a PE working in a polyethylene unit. I just started and I wanted to work with plastics. So, it's nice.
>Would you recommend ChE?
No. Not at all. In my honest to God opinion, MechE is far more versatile and you can jump industries more easily than ChEs.

>>15604442
>>15604578
The really sad part is when I applied for this company I didn't realize they have another location that is only 45 minutes from my mom's house. They even have more open positions there and it's their main place! I didn't realize it.
I could still be at home. But I have only been here for a week so obviously I can't ask to transfer. Even though I would much rather be at the other location. I fucked it up!

>>15603305
>I'm sure they have tons of undergrads wanting to research with them for free.
Is that really the case?

>>15606360
How did O&G industry collapse that shit is b-b-b-ballin you make way more than anywhere else.

>>15606402
>I should add the caveat that the ChE material is actually pretty easy
>The way the tests and projects are weighted make it so that you're constantly on a knife's edge of flunking
What's the thinking this? Is it just to weed people out?

>>15606886
I'm guessing politics, for instance, the Biden Admin is not leasing their land to O&G firms.

>>15601580
>signal/image processing
Checked with Qualcomm? They do this, moreover they have innovation organisations set up in order to fuel further demands for their chips and systems.

>>15606886
It may collapse in the US but here in Europe it is going great guns. The EU doesn't like it and they will never admit it, but after France, Germany and Sweden closed down lots of nuclear reactors, we got a power problem. Add gas pipelines going BOOM in the night, and no politicians will stop oil or gas, though they will offer al lot of verbiage. Sweden fires up its oil powered power stations and Germany has started burning coal and lignite. In comparison, gas is a lot cleaner.

is it possible to get documents from Course Hero for free?

alternatively, if someone in here has an account, would they be willing to download some documents for me?

>>15604385
NTA but when I worked in a NATO defence lab, we had other NATO citizens working there without any problems. Of course, everyone had clearance.
I would be surprised if the US did not invite scientists from European NATO partners to their labs. One guy who used to work at Los Alamos suggested we should go there, though that was 10+ years ago.

>>15603525
bio is a lot of memorization, chem has memorization work upfront and a lot of practice afterwards. Depends what country youre in, I heard CS is abysmal in certain places, plus you're fighting against Indians who will happily write shit code for low pay.
>>15603717
based. Glad to hear a chemist who made it. I always dreamed of working at Black Mesa with alien tech, but my grades killed that dream.
>>15603753
doesn't matter, had sex. I was second pick to the job I had now. Some pajeet didn't want the low pay of 70k USD, his loss. Nobody else would hire me anyways.
>>15604119
Depends where you are. I'm in Southeast USA and the market was pretty bad. So far Ive worked in a clinical lab and science consulting - nothing chemistry. You can't probably do anything with just a bachelors, get a masters for work, PhD if you want to stay in academia and/or are very driven. But it's VERY location dependent, so more info is needed. All my materials friends get better jobs right out the gate, but chemistry is cooler sounding to normies.
>>15605020
If you can make leeway in your field like he did, then you have a shot sure.
>>15606886
everything is degrading right now, it isn't the 80s anymore and everything these shills are telling you are from playbooks that were written in that era. Yes, it's still better than other fields, but that doesn't mean it's the golden egg goose it once was.

>>15607881
Well all I really need is to make enough money to pay back my student loan debt and then I will legally be allowed to kill myself. So as long as it holds out long enough for that it will work.

>>15607894
please dont kys, die on the job for extra benefits

>>15607918
I'm an autistic incel so I have no beneficiaries. I guess I could leave the life insurance and AD&D money to my ancient high school crush for maximum cringe.

>>15607926
now you're cookin with gas!

>>15606886
The O&G industries -theoretically- should be doing better now. I haven't really paid attention cause I really don't care about O&G. Plastics (unless we're talking about obscure plastics or nearing obsolesce plastics like Santaprene) and commodity chemicals (think BASF, DOW, BaerLocher) are pretty much safe bets. Refineries... You could be hired and fired in one day. Just depends on the oil market.
>>15606949
Yes.
I was told something about ABET (an accreditation board for engineering programs in the US) wanting to keep the graduation rates for ChEs low. I doubt this is true. Who knows. Maybe unis want to keep ChE in some elite god like status. Idk.

>>15607939
>Refineries... You could be hired and fired in one day.
god i hope so

>>15607939
>ABET wanting to keep the graduation rates for ChEs low
That sounds like bullshit to me as well. I think that's just your alma matter wanting to filter ChemEs out.

>>15607939
>Plastics
>commodity chemicals
If you want, can you elaborate on how to breach these industries?

I'm a complete idiot who tried to will his way though a field (ECE) he doesn't enjoy, at all. Seriously, I think I fucked up persisting so long when I hate studying this shit.

If I change my field into biology/chem/material sciences/anything I'm gonna graduate at 30 years old at best. I'm really really worried that any career prospects are just destroyed by default if I graduate at that age. How bad is it?

I just know I really dislike my current field so for the love of god how can I find something I like? I thought about searching course materials online but that won't work because every field is vast and deep as the ocean itself

I need something I enjoy spending my time on, a passion of sorts.

>>15610261
And sorry for calling it shit, I know people who enjoy it and I'm not one of them. I just want to find something I enjoy, literally anything. Maybe I should go for econ or something.

I just need a way to figure out what I want to do. Maybe have a list of essential books regarding different fields and go through them

>>15610261
EE is a wide field. If you're interested in biology you can do biomedical engineering with a EE degree.

>>15594712
I got a phd in my late 30s. Didn't put my age on my CV. Got hired as a postdoc.

>>15610318
I'm aware of that, it's just that the options I have regarding it are kinda limited. If I became interested in biomed I couldn't just switch to it, there's a lot of bureaucracy I'd have to deal with. Moreover COVID and all the changes into coursework that followed really made me realize it has to be something I enjoy spending time on out of something other than necessity.

Anyway I guess to condense my two horrible incoherent posts what I mean to say is.
>how fucked am I?
>how can I find out about my "passion" so I don't make the same mistake again?


>>15610332
Gratz!

>>15610261
I got me bachelors at 33. No one asked or cared. Depending on what industry you go into, you may very well still be the young guy at that age. That being said I wouldn’t switch tracks unless you’ve already flunked out and have no choice. You sound a bit aimless and I doubt you’re going to be any happier studying something else, it all sucks. Sometimes you just need some persistence

>>15610261
>>15610343
Your best bet is to graduate now and then move laterally afterwards. You can always pivot to an industry you like via either code-monkeying or doing technical sales in it.

Graduating at 30 isn't bad, employers don't necessarily think immature candidates are a good thing.

>>15610261
Since you posted an image of Touhou Project, I assume you like music, right? If so, just stick with your Electronics and Communication Engineering major and after graduation, send job applications to Japanese musical instrument and audio equipment manufacturers such as Yamaha. Just imagine yourself working on guitar pedals and synthesizers in Japan after college graduation.

>>15605816
Be generous with your students pls, your course materials don't come as naturally to them as they do to you.

>>15611175
It's more the academic writing that they struggle with, I won't give them bad grades, but a bit of harsh (but fair) criticism early on will help them in the long run, especially when they write their theses.

>>15610089
It's difficult but not impossible. I lucked out. But I can tell you what I did.
• I did an internship after I graduated. So I could get some relevant experience in the field I wanted. I know for a fact that 6 months of experience is enough to get your resume on the desk of a hiring manager.
• Apply to a lot of jobs and get ready to be rejected a lot. Ultimately, in the end. You're relying on employer desperation. Even if it's not what you want. Getting the relevant experience is the only important bit here.
• Try out staffing agencies. Yeah, they're vultures and they suck. But again, experience and the job title is all you need. If you have those then you can easily get hired on directly with some company if you hate the job.
• Hone your interview skills if you can flatter the interviewer with your knowledge of ACS & DCS like Yokogawa and DeltaV, tell them about risk management, and how to read a P&ID. Then you're good.

>>15606402
That's surprising, at least in my case I only felt that way about thermodynamics and that was during the second year of the degree. It was mostly smooth sailing afterwards, it felt like the professors really wanted us to keep going forward (except for that thermodynamics class, easily the hardest for pretty much everyone I've asked and I know people that dropped out because of it.)
I'm in the middle of my master's now and honestly it feels easier than the degree although I did feel I need to dedicate way more time to it.
I'll add I'm not in the US.

>>15594403
I'm enrolling for a electrical and electronic engineering diploma. Does it matter what laptop I get? I'm mostly worried about buying an underpowered laptop
>inb4 just get Thinkpad bro

My current career goal is to graduate from college (I'm doing comp sci). I want to specialize in AI. I think it's going to be the big thing when I graduate, if it isn't already now.

I don't just want to be a code monkey and take my paycheck. I want to discover new things. I want to be in history books. I want to be an exceptional person. That's my big life goal. To be exceptional.

>>15594403
Any of you who went to business school after stem degree?
Why did you do that?
Kind of a open ended question but I'm thinking of going and don't have a good reason to write in the application

>>15612021
Get a good amount of ram. Else matlab takes forever to open

>>15612146
Does 8 gigs sound good enough? I've been recommended an rtx 3050 as well

>>15612161
16 minimum

>>15612021
You can't do some of the assignments on a laptop, would not recommend. However a lot of universities offer remote access so I'd look into that

Hello anons I'm a cs fag from india. Going through all the posts online I learned Indians are not really respected in this field. Why is that?
We work with low wages? Slave for company profits? Or is the quality of code too low?

>>15612371
>You can't do some of the assignments on a laptop
What kind? Would the same apply to cs stuff as well?

>Graduated EE in may
>Still interviewing
>2 hour interview today after a 30 minute phone interview and to be followed by another phone interview
jfc this is taking forever. I just wanna get paid for engineering work

>>15612415
>Every CS youtube tutorial is an indian speaking in broken english
>General distrust of indian universities
>Special visas 3rd worldies get to become STEM tier indentured servant beholden to their company
>Will work for less, lowering the average wage of western STEMies
Bunch of reasons, only some of them racist

>>15612371
I know engineering majors who bought desktop PCs to college instead of just laptops

>>15612423
It depends.

>>15612021
Depends if you also want to use it for games or other things. I'd splurge on a laptop with 16gb ram if you are going to use it for other stuff, otherwise a dedicated 8gb thonkpad is good enough. You'll very rarely run into assignments that you cannot run at all, they might just suck a bit more to do because you end up waiting more. t. EECE grad

>>15612415
Poor code quality, lack of social skills, never test their code, visa fraud, fake diplomas, don't understand the functional requiorements, and they smell like curry.
And anyone working in IT has dealt with an outsourcing company in India, which is an absolute shitshow because again, never actually testing the code, and constantly cutting corners and underdelivering.
Management these days are willing to go to great lengths to avoid having to deal with indians unless absolutely necessary, the last two companies I've worked with don't outsource to india, we outsource to eastern europe and the jobs they don't want to do they outsource to india kek

>>15612021
Do you plan to use Adobe Photoshop in college or any type of video editing? If so, I feel you will be unhappy with an 8 gb ram laptop.

>>15612415
Part of this is that much technical work is being outsourced to India or to Indians, not with great success. since this is a manegemnt decision, they also decide it simply has to be a success.
Another large part of this is that the locals who are being fired, are instructed as part of their last job to teach the Indians how the job is supposed to be done. This added humiliation does not help.

The way my work works is that all the staff engineers email each other and browse the internet all day, then if we need any actual engineering work done we contract it out

>>15595536
What the fuck, you can upload PDFs to 4chan?

>>15612021
You should look on your program's website to see if they recommend what kind of laptop you should get. They very likely have minimum specs listed somewhere, along with a list of software you'll need to use. Or just ask someone in the department. Any midrange gaming laptop will certainly work, though.

>>15612371
I find it very unlikely that any school would have assignments that both cannot be done on a laptop and have no remote/cloud solution. Besides, I would strongly recommend having a laptop, since you can bring it to school, study at the library, study with other people, etc. Laptop + desktop is ideal, but if you have to choose, laptop is the way to go.

Also, my school's engineering department straight up requires that all students have a laptop.

I hit the glass ceiling
I thought I would be able to job hop forever now it appears I am maxed out and everywhere wants actual “”””experiences””””” to move up

>>15610288
>Maybe I should go for econ or something.
That will be grim considering the way our economy is going.

Should I make make a lot of friends in college or is that a waste of time. I've received two, opposite kinds of advice regarding college. One tells me to make and maintain as many friendships as possible, because connections are everything in the industry. Another tells me not to bother with that because friends will ultimately end up a waste of time and energy, and to focus on developing my skils, outside of academic ones as much as possible.
I'm more inclined to follow the second one, because I'm introverted and don't wanna bother with people. Plus, the few friends that I did make all talk about the most vapid and normie shit, and I absolutely hate spending time with them.

>>15616842
Any college classmates you meet who intend to become dentists, doctors, nurses, or pharmacists will all end up moving to different parts of the country after graduation for medical graduate schools, and you know what they say about long distance relationships.

>>15616842
Silicon Valley is extremely incestuous so it makes sense to network with classmates who have technology related majors

Physicslad here who grew tired of academia. I've got an all-day interview+seminar at a big national lab for a staff role (currently at end of 1st postdoc) coming up next month. Got my talk essentially ready but:
(1) What the fuck do I wear.
(2) What am I gonna be grilled on for ~6+ hours?
If you glowies doing my background check in a year find this fuck you I just want to do well on my interview

>>15616842
you will without a doubt meet people at or above your level in college (assuming you're not going to a state school or below) unless you are a god-tier savant, and if you're asking for advice on this here, you're not
100% keep a strong network, friends will fade over time but the connections in a purely business sense will be invaluable for either gathering talent to start a company, land a job at an established one, or join one a friend starts
however its important to realize the difference between building a professional network and just oversocializing, hanging out, drinking/smoking/fucking
none of those are necessarily bad mind you, its just important to keep a balance, and yes, be more focused on your academic success and building useful skills than the above
tl;dr find a balance between the two approaches you listed, no one likes a recluse shutin with no social skills, and no one likes a party-hard retard with a 2.7gpa

I have no academic or professional experience with math or science, yet I believe to have discovered some thing I can only describe as a data structure (more specifically an interactive proof system). I have no idea if it's important or even useful outside of what I'm using it for. It seems a bit too /g/ for /sci/ but also a bit too /sci/ for /g/, if that makes sense. My gut tells me to make this post and try and see if anyone has advice to give or wants to know more. My apologies if this is the wrong place for something like this.

>>15617223
>1
Formal
>2
No idea, probably just experience, projects, theory.

>>15617557
Why do you suggest formal? Any experience interviewing at labs? I'm partially asking because I was told for a web-based interview for another position to explicitly go business casual by the hiring manager. Did that so far for the first two web-based stages for this interview.

>No idea, probably just experience, projects, theory.
Yeah that's essentially what I've been told. I got some info from a colleague at the lab on what metrics they use too but just a bit nervous since the longest interview I've ever had was like 1.5 hours.

If anyone has tips for lasting though all-day marathons that'd be great too. I was told in many ways this is similar to a faculty job interview.

I'm graduating soon and I really need some help deciding what to do for grad school.
I can either do pure math MSc in Germany or a computer science MSc in Japan.
Both are available due to some extensive networking in undergrad.
I'm below average in both Japanese and German, but my German is better.
I can provide more details if needed, I really can't choose and I want the opinion from 4chan weirdos.

>>15617644
Which unis/cities?

>>15617677
University of Münster and University of Tsukuba.

>>15617644
Which Uni is very important here, also, do you want training or prestige

>>15617689
I cant speak on Tsukuba, but Münster is good-Tier, though not god-Tier

>>15617484
Give it to me. Now.

>>15614843
yeah i always forget but you can to sci and lit

>>15617719
need to store data, cannot alter or delete
potentially massive amounts of data can unpredictably come from many sources, write concurrency is a must
prover cannot be trusted, but has low storage costs
verifier can be trusted, but has high storage costs
space complexity for prover is O(n)
space complexity for verifier is O(log n)
The thing itself is an array of Merkle trees, the weird part is the insertion algorithm (apologies if latex is fucked):
(d - data, H - hashing function, R - ruler function(A007814), N - number of elements in structure, A - array of Merkle trees, || - concatenation operator)
[math]insert(d)\{\\h=H(d)\\for(n=0;n< R(N);n++)h=H(A[n]||h)\\A[R(N)]=h\\\}[/math]

>>15604414
>I do, but not to the exclusion of consideration of the job market.
Oh right, I probably should've realized that. But yeah, that's what I hope to accomplish with my goal. Plus the CS market isn't looking too good currently. Lots of layoffs and advancements in AI, probably not a good career to invest in for stupid people or anyone without connections.

>>15607881
>bio is a lot of memorization, chem has memorization work upfront and a lot of practice afterwards
Thanks, seems accurate to what I remember and heard about them.

>>15617609
It is (almost) never bad to overdress, but it is a death sentence to underdress. You could also ask the hiring manager again what you should wear since they seem to tell you what to wear anyway.

Bros if I done Mechanical Eng Bachelors and want a masters in Electrical Eng, will I survive?

Like where do I even start?

>>15617223
The 6 hours is basically to check how you work, see if you fit in culturally and if you're able to keep up with the team.
Wear a suit and tie. Dark blue or dark gray (black is okay) suit, white shirt, neutral colored tie (not red or black) something like solid blue or a striped pattern that's not too brightly colored. Better to be a little bit overdressed than underdressed.

>>15612415
>Why is that?

If you want to understand that, think about this. What great software projects have been produced by India, and India alone? Not just worked on, but created from the ground up by Indians, living in India, and then used by people all over the world. Can you name anything specific?

If not, then you might understand why people are skeptical of Indian culture's ability to create teams fit for quality software development work.

For example, I've never heard of a well regarded videogame being created by Indians. This seems exceptionally odd, since there are plenty of examples of good quality games created by small teams of people (or even only one person), which may have started as student projects, which you will find people in other countries have produced.

And the reason for this, as far as I see it, is that other countries have cultures that encourage people to develop the skills they need to pioneer and manage software projects on their own, so that they can create what that want to create, and potentially make money off this, but India seems exclusively focused on a model where people's software knowledge is taught through formal schooling, so they don't learn the implicit skills that good developers are encouraged to learn in other cultures by practicing the creation and maintenance of software projects themselves.

>>15618525
ElectroMag is just invisible fluidmechanics. You'll be fine.

>>15618853
What would I need to learn before doing the masters?

>>15618842
CULTURE

>>15617855
If you are employed, your contract might stipulate that your employer has a right to your inventions. Details depend on jurisdictions. The weird thing to me is that the US, the land of the free, has usually the most feudal employee inventor clauses, and a legal framework to steamroll the inventor in some circumstances.

I wish we were as active as tech warriors general. I try to post there since this general is dead but as an ee I feel undercover or something

>>15616842
Interoverts have a disadvantage in our society, so you might as well start now to train yourself in making connections. It doesn't have to be romantic friendship, a connection is sufficient. One of my connections from the student days practically stood on my shoes (she was short but fiery, and on fire!) and screamed into my face (totally an accident, I assure you), but she did click OK on a LinkedIn invite.

You will meet all sorts of people, there will most likely be someone at the same wavelength as you.

>>15616842
Everyone who replied to you are parroting outdated advice. In the upcoming recession, no one is going to want to look out or stick their neck out for you. Any friends you will have will not bother to help you then. Connect with professors and stay in touch with past employers, but anyone else is a waste.

>>15619746
Not really, the employer probably played a roll in the inventor coming up with his/her idea and should reap some of the rewards. Letting the employer have full rights to the invention ensures that it is properly commercialized and refined.

>>15617644
Considering how skilled you are at networking, attending the University of Tsukuba will likely improve your chances of working at Japanese national research labs after getting your grad degree. Would you have the same opportunity of working in a national research lab in Germany? Also, do not quote me on this, but doesn't University of Tsukuba offer both undergraduate and graduate degrees where all the courses are taught in English?

If my performance on the job very obviously reflects how much I care about about what I'm doing, would I be best served by getting a PhD in something I'm passionate about?

>>15621701
Theoretically yes but a PhD is one of the best ways to kill your interest in a topic or field.

Engineering or physics.

I don't care about money, time, or difficulty.

I just can't tell which one I would enjoy more. Is there a way to tell what I'd be better at and enjoy more?

>>15621976
Do want more school? Physics.

Do you want a decent job? Engineering.

>>15594403
I hate the job interview process and resume culture (aka tinder to HR retards). How did you autists navigate it without killing yourselves.

>>15621721
So what should be my main factor in picking a PhD program? I was thinking h-index or school prestige but I read those were also a bad choice.

>>15621701
No.

Your "passion" is worthless if it doesn't enable you to complete the PhD. And just because you're passionate about the subject doesn't mean you will be passionate about the menial tasks given to you by your supervising professor.

A PhD is a job, a degree, and research.
Your "job" is to be expendable labor for your professor. Your classes are in addition to this. Your research overlaps with your "job", but ultimately your professor will prioritize the projects that are important to him, not to you completing your PhD.

If you want to do a PhD, it should be in a subject where your personal goals and that of your prospective supervisor/research group align as much as possible. You want as much overlap between the respective priorities as possible.

>>15621976
Read the respective course curriculums and syllabuses.

>>15622045
How would I know if a supervisor's goal aligns with mine? I read their research focuses/interests but that doesn't really tell me much.

>>15622045
I've read the course curriculum. I just don't know which I want to do.

>>15612415
I can't stand working with them because they all spout racist India superhuman bullshit and look down on everyone else.
>we eat good food therefore we are immune to covid
>we live in the heat therefore we are immune to covid
They always get mad and shout and don't know how to handle themselves in meetings or in public.
They will never shut the fuck up about how India is better in every way despite being here to study and work. Even worse they bitch about other's work ethic and spend HOURS doing nothing but busy work just to gloat about it later.
I've only had one good experience working alongside an Indian and the only thing he didn't like about being in the US was the lack of street food (which I totally get). We talked movies and stuff, he was chill and knew his shit, even taught me some Hindi which is a cool fuckin language.
I don't immediately disrespect any Indian I meet, but time and time again they'll prove me right about their pride and arrogance.
>t. chemist

>>15622055
By asking them, retard. Talk to them. It's not rocket science.

>>15622064
Do both then. Major in applied physics / engineering physics.

>>15620774
In some cases the invention is in a different field from the employers interest and was made during spare time. The law will usually have stipulations about such scenarios, we had such a court case around here recently.
In some case the employers reach in time extents to 6 months after the employer left. As te FAQ mentions, check the contract carefully.

>>15622009
mix of outright lying, rephrasing, and grossly embellishing roles and responsibilities I've had to match position discriptions more closely to get through their filter. Also HR people are boarding illiterate so use less words and try not to be too complicated, but enough to suggest you're someone worth hiring to the manager. If you do lie you can't be retarded, if you get asked a technical question during the interview in an area you lied about, you better have a satisfactory answer unless you're interviewing with HR people and/or clueless managers which is more common than you'd expect.

>>15622099
>just be Chad and pass the hr roasties shit test
I can't though.

>>15622009
nepotism

>>15622092
My uni doesn't have an applied physics program.

>>15622172
do a double major

>>15622009
Népotisme and being enough of a daywalker to fake it past HR

>>15621976
Do you like applying math and science to create something real? Engineering. Simple as.

>>15622140
I am 145lbs and 6' tall and haven't been laid in 6 years, making only 100k at this point with an engineering degree. I'm not Chad, you can always wing it and 50-50 no one will realize you're BSing them as long as you don't go over the top and have some basic knowledge of the field.

>>15622045
I'm less concerned about the PhD than what comes afterwards. I'm fairly confident I can manage actually getting it. It's getting a job I don't loathe and suck at as a result which concerns me.

>>15621976
probably engineering.

>>15618347
>>15618778
>>15617557
Thanks bros, I have a suit that matches your recommendations well so I'll be going with that.

>>15617694
I guess I am bit late to answer but at this point I think it's better to go for prestige. I had quite a good undergrad experience and even have a web dev position waiting for me if I feel like it, so I'd rather just build the best career I can right now.

>>15621638
Sorry, didn't see your reply.
I suppose so, I saw that Tsukuba specifically is the only one mentioned in this thread's "sticky" for post-grad positions.
What labs do you think I could work in Japan, possibly? I only heard about Riken. I also should mention that the field of CS I'd work with is robotics, which is quite big in Japan I think.
I should also mention that I do not want to work industry unless it's a last resort.

back to school at 26. i quit going at start of covid.
i'm in CS but i applied for student job in the chem E department. it was for 3d modelling microfluidics plates and shit. i taught myself cad a while back so i figured it would be a cool deal.
it's 10$ an hour which sounds pretty fuckin shit, but, low effort and i can inflate my time worked. also the professor kept talking about how i could get my name on a publication. do people really give a shit about that? i could not care less if my fuckin name is on a fuckin paper.

did you guys do any research stuff in undergrad? i think i should reach out to someone in the CS department about research roles.

>>15622962
If you plan on going to grad school, you will need to start stacking up research experience. Even the average grad student applicant will have at least one research experience.

Does anyone here know anything about clinical engineering? This seems like an ideal job type for me.

Is working for the big defense contractors prestigious or no

>>15623035
Does it matter? You’re designing shit that blows people up! How cool is that!

>>15623044
It matters I'm trying to put together a somewhat prestigious resume so I can end up with a somewhat decent job in the future.

>>15623035
Why wouldn't it be?

Freshman year I sent out a bunch of applications to get internships, and northrup grumman actually gave me an offer and everything was good to go. my gf at the time broke up with me and just ghosted the recruiter. I sent the guy an email apologizing and making up some bullshit excuse. Now, this fall, northrup grumman is going to be at my school's career fair and I wouldn't mind working for them.
Am I just blackballed, or should I talk to them anyway? Do I mention the previous offer?

>>15623054
Just talk to them anyways, no mentioning of the offer. If you hear radio silence after meeting recruiters face to face then you might've been black balled.

>>15623035
Don't defense companies make you live in the middle of nowhere?

>>15623051
Because most places are not by default. Why wouldn't it be is a rather stupid question to be frank.
>>15623139
No, as one might gather, part of being "big" means that they are all over. And what you wrote is irrelevant to my question anyways.

>>15623035
>>15623047
For a new job? Maybe but it'd probably just lead you to a different defense contractor if your work is too specialized (like laser guiding systems).
>>15623139
Yeah a lot do due to the remote land they need for their facilities.

>>15617065
>>15617077
>>15617372
>>15619767
>>15620727
I don't really use social media. Don't have anything other than FB and thats only for some required work in uni. I really don't wanna create anymore social media, I hate them. SHould I bite the bullet? Is a Linkedin worth it when I don't even have any qualifications to showcase yet?

>>15623172
>For a new job? Maybe but it'd probably just lead you to a different defense contractor if your work is too specialized (like laser guiding systems).
This is what I'm worried about. I can go specialized at a pretty exciting job and get more education, or go really boring at a standard power/I&E job but learn really solid stuff and go basically anywhere. Right now I'm at the power job and I'm bored to tears every day.

>>15623189
That sucks to hear, I'm about to start a power job at Northrop. Power is pretty versatile so you could take that experience anywhere really especially if you're a PE but I'm sure you knew that already. I hear working under a civil engineering firm as their power guy is very exciting due to having to meet a customer's demands which is always different. So I guess in that context working at a defense contractor as their power guy would be good on a resume.

>>15623205
I'm an I&E guy at a manufacturing facility.
Basically myself and my boss are the only electrical engineers. Everyone else is a mechie or chemie. We're our own department. My boss says it's great because we are indispensable, but we do literally nothing all day. It is mindnumbingly boring. I've worked here 3 weeks and he still has not given me a single task to do. I just stare at the computer or sit on the toilet browsing my phone all day. It's unbearably tedious. Plus he is about to retire in December and then it's just going to be me and I'm going to be totally incompetent since we do nothing. I've already overheard other people talking shit about him saying he never does anything. Apparently any time the plant needs actual electrical engineering work done, he just hires a contractor to do it. My first week I had contractors coming up to my giving their business cards and asking to take me to lunch because they get so much work here and know I'm the replacement guy that they want to start treating me, even though I know literally nothing. The entire situation is just insane. On some level I guess maybe this really is a sweatheart gig, and while I do consider myself a fraud but I don't know if I could live with the stress of this being this level of fraud.
I don't know if I should stay here or not. On one hand it's life on easy mode. On the other hand if someone ever comes in and shakes things up and gets rid of me because I'm a total fraud, I will have wasted years getting zero experience.

i've been feeling some shame and sadness as i finish up my degree. i got a 34 on my ACT but i had a GPA of like, 2.0 in high school. so, i just went to my state's university. i'm disappointed in my past self for skipping so much class. i feel like i gimped myself and could have had a much more fulfilling undergrad.

>>15623245
Yeah that sounds like it sucks. Get your FE exam done if you haven't already and just push through for the next year. It looks bad if leave after 3 weeks unless you have good reason which it sounds like you do but it's possible that you'll get to do some actual work soon. After that you can easily get a new job. Not too sure about I&E but I'm sure you can find a job for a contractor easy.

>>15623205
I'm about to start at L3 but I might have an offer coming in from Northrop.
If I go with L3 we will be enemies and we can blow each other up haha

>>15623267
Couldn't find any jobs for L3 that fit my skillset unfortunately. I'm happy with the offer I got though, I get to live in a nice state in the middle of nowhere which is what I wanted.

>>15623273
Isn't NG better than L3Harris anyways?
Judging by the reviews online we are the shitters of defense contractors. Low paid and extremely stupid work force, which I can believe since they saw fit to hire me. I'm also in middle of no where. I have no skills so the matching part wasn't an issue.

>>15623291
I have no idea about the defense contractor hierarchy, I guess Raytheon and Boeing are top dogs?

>>15612108
I got a MS in comp sci 2 years ago, been looking into getting a PhD in AI. Don't know if it's necessary though, might be better to try to learn on my own

>>15623315
Raytheon is probably the biggest defense contractor after their most recent merger. I think LM and then Boeing are next, but LM gets shit done they have good rep in the defense world. Boeing? Lacking hard now days, they got really good benefits though compared to others(only LM rivals their benefits). I'd say NG is probably next and then somewhere down the totem pole its L3. I don't know much about L3, but their salaries are pretty competitive on the west coast.

As a software dev with a masters in CS would it be impossible to get a grad degree in a life science field? I've been dealing with a chronic illness that doesn't really have a cure, I want to go back to school to figure it out.

>>15623035
my dad was a project engineering leader at lockheed for some missile defense programs and it sucked his soul out. company also fucked him over after 20 years

>>15623666
>impossible to get a grad degree in a life science field

Bioinformatics? Sequence analysis? Protein structure? Lots of computerized and data-driven areas in comtemporary life sciences you can segway in.

>>15604755
I'm an absolute fucking retard and I'm about 2~3 years away from getting my degree in electromedicine.
I hated math in middle school because I was lazy, I got into math and electronics in highschool somehow, I was always interested in medicine/biology ever since I was a kid.
So this seemed like the perfect career path for me. I think my lazy tendencies are gonna bite me in the ass when I have to write my paper but eh, let's see what happens.

>>15622341
Yeah there's not much you can do about that unfortunately, it's mostly luck. More important to have a job at all these days. If whatever you study involves writing code and/or statistics then it's general enough that you can skip to a different field if you end up in a job you hate afterwards.

>>15623183
Unfortunately yes. I hate linkedin, but it's more or less expected that you have one. Trick is to not be active on it, just get a picture and start adding your classmates and maybe even professors.

Did a BengTech Mechanical owing to financial and location constraints. Currently doing honors and considering masters where I can upgrade to an Meng but wondering if its worth it. Like is work experience more important since I'm 27 and going to be starting work pretty late as well.

Does anyone really know the difference I can expect regarding work and pay. Most of the people I've spoken to said having the BengTech instead of Beng doesn't really matter as long as I am good at what I do. The only issue comes in that I wouldn't be able to get a PE only professional technologist.

I could also probably upgrade at a different university to a normal Beng in a year but I don't know if it's going to improve my career options that much.

If I end up getting my dream job is there any point of updating my linkedin for other jobs in the future?

>>15624088
Regarding this atleast in my country. Beng is 4 years including honors I think.
BengTech is 3 years +1 year for honors
Same qualification level as in an honors degree.
If you do a masters as a BengTech you can get an Meng and then also a PE. Though I also don't know if companies would even want you since the base degree wasn't a Beng.

>>15610332
Who the fuck puts their age in their CV
Do Amerilards really

>>15623183
I suggest you stop being an underaged pussy faggot, holy fucking shit. You were me at the ripe age of 16, I suggest growing the fuck up and realizing simply crossing words with people will mean good networking opportunities in the future.

>>15623245
Do you ever think about marriage because being given the opportunity of becoming the next boss this early in your life means you could marry much earlier than your peers and spend more holidays with your future children.

Also, before your boss retires in December, you should ask if he kept any handy notebooks over the years, filled with info and tips that helped him keep his job for so long without any problems.

>>15623315
I put in like 15 applications for Boeing and they basically auto rejected them all so I could see that

>>15623315
Wanna know who really is top dog, working as a DoD civ for an org like DEVCOM, they get to dick on Raytheon, GD, etc on regular basis and do most of the design, testing, and developmental work. Also if the defense industry takes a shit my job is gone whereas theirs is probably not going anywhere.

>>15624303
>Do you ever think about marriage
No I’m a virgin incel I will never attract a woman or have children

>>15623673
Few defence companies have a worse reputation than L-M. Real tech went out of the window, not it is financial engineering, and they bleed DOD dry.

Everyone at my Master's program (EE) has a part-time job because rent is expensive af here (Germany).

The thing is, I don't pay rent so I haven't really had the need to work. How fucked am I when I graduate? I still have one semester with courses left and another one to write my Master thesis. Should I look for a student job, bros?

>>15624703
Try to look for research assistantships/opportunities or internships instead. Only get a job if it relates to EE.

>>15624703
What the other anon said, junge.
Doesn't matter if it's only 1 month, it takes up the same amount of space on your CV. Just get one piece of work experience that matters, preferably in EE but if you get an offer for something adjacent like computer vision or heck even finance then take it, it's better than nothing.

>>15624032
Will thi possibilities at least be better than what a BS can offer? I have been sorely disappointed by the doors a physics BS opens.

>>15625299
Yes, but might be more worth your while to do a masters than a PhD depending on if your school is a feeder for a company and if you want to go to industry instead of research.

BS physics suffers from the same problem as BS math. Applied math is very employable while regular theoretical math is significantly less so.

It would be better to see what career opportunities are available to you first, and then work backwards to see what education you should take.

Is compsci still king for undergrad? Or is something like AI of Maths a better choice?

Did a bachelor's in math. Fell for the CS meme and did a "certificate" in CS because I couldn't get a job with just a math degree. Couldn't get a job in software so I got a job teaching HS which I've been doing for 3 years. It's OK, but eventually I want to make 6 figures.

I'm thinking of getting a masters in Mechanical engineering but I'm worried I either won't get a job or my resume will look like shit - math, then CS no job, then teaching, then mechanical no job, etc etc...

Is this a bad idea? Should I go for a data sci or CS masters instead? Seems like tech job market has collapsed...I'm more interested in Mechanical anyway...seems like software people are treated like bugmen - no job security, age out at 40, dehumanizing interview process applying to 1000 jobs and doing bullshit technical interviews, etc etc...

Is there a way out of this mess?

>>15626383
>Is there a way out of this mess?
Can always rope

Does getting an MBA after an engineering degree really matter or is it a meme

>>15627275
It depends on the business really. Wells Fargo - need it. Pitchbook - keep it. Not shitting on Pitchbook though, they know how to attract talent.

Are there any other EE's that somehow ended up in the construction industry? It seems like that's the only thing that anyone fresh from college can easily get into (either that or I'm terrible at choosing jobs).I make a living making cad drawings and it's awful business that depends on your clairvoyance and working with the bare minimum all while you try to learn all of the NEC while having too everything thrown at you. I want to leave but none of my experience is really transferrable unless I apply for another CAD oriented job.

>>15624212
used to be required before people realized they were being discriminated for age. Land of the free, baby

How do I ask a professor for a lab position (chemistry)? In order to graduate, I need to do a senior capstone. In order to do that, I need to be in a lab group. In order to get into a lab group, you have to do minimum 1 year. Nobody is going to take you for only one semester.

I'm going to be a senior and if I don't get into a lab group I don't know how I'm going to graduate. I've been procrastinating this shit for months and it may already be too late.

>1st year msc student
>get to attend conference because my university is hosting it
so what do I do at this thing? Other than hunt for a wife, of course. Also do I have to dress up?

>>15628042
I started off in construction doing REVIT designs and shit as a fresh grad EE. I fucking hated it. It was the most brain dead work I ever did. It was on par with actually working construction jobs as a handyman except the handyman gigs gave you workout. I worked on side projects on the weekends to pivot myself towards the industry I wanted to work in. I suggest you do the same and use the engineering experience(team work, cross-team collaboration, problem solving etc...) to show you can work with other people and solve problems. It's all about how you market yourself during the interviews. Bets of luck.

>7 months into PhD
>haven't done jack shit
>don't know what I'm supposed to be doing

>>15624395
You got filtered by the ATS system.

>Double Bachelor in Physical Chemistry and EE
>Masters in CE
>32 years old

Is it too late for a PhD in Quantum Metrology?

>>15629069
sounds like it's right on the verge of being too late. what a retarded requirement to graduate, but something you shouldve been doing anyway. step by step
>read up on what the professor does
>set up time to meet
>tell them youre interested in their research and how you could go about working in their lab
>be upfront about your situation
professors can smell bullshit, they were students once, too. just be honest but at the same time don't be desparate about it. If they say no or whatever, get them to point you in the right direction and resources. just have a conversation with them, they're people too.
rinse and repeat until you have your answers and gameplan. sounds like you might graduate a semester late but I'm unfamiliar with this requirement (USA)
>>15629245
sounds like you're either doing just fine or you need to take some more initiative, it all depends really.

>>15628042
I started out there after graduating too. Hated it and my guy was barely even training me. Lasted 2 weeks then left. Also idk about you 2 but it was very low pay

>>15629276
Wats that

My work does a 9/80 schedule with half the office off on alternating fridays. Just came in on my first Friday and it’s a ghost town, also realized both my bosses are off today. A few guys on my team are here but they are contractors and never talk to me. Should I just leave? I honestly think no one will notice

>>15630407
>shitpost and get paid
>shitpost and don't get paid
Hard choice

>>15630536
I’m salary I don’t have a time card.

>>15626383
reliability "engineering". good career because it isnt a specific degree, most people dont think to go into it, and you can get paid a lot to show up at sites and say the obvious. the mine i worked at paid a reliability engineer $50k to tell us to clean dirt, train operators better, and buy better lubricant. no tangible plans or anything.
get into vibration analysis, RCA, use that math to wow business folk who run industrial plants because they eat that up. there are different ways to get into it, maybe try applying to reliability consulting companies before splurging on a grad degree in mechanical engineering with a vibration thesis. your wierd undergrad might actually set you up well for that career path

>>15626383
CS is extremely oversaturated and will always be passed over for a more specialized degree, for any job related to AI a MS in Artificial Intelligence will be preferred over a MS in CS (even if you specialized in AI!).
Even data science, there are tons of specific "MS in Big Data Analytics and Data Science" or "MS Statistics and Risk Analysis" degrees.
You REALLY don't want to be a jack of all trades in the job market right now.

Just got an interview for $15/hr in entry level IT with a B.S. in physics

>>15632642
sounds like shit I know but your first job is the hardest thing to get in my humble opinion. So many more jobs open up after 2-5 years experiance. If nothing else is available, eat shit and in a couple years put lead programmer on your resume and bolt.

>>15632642
I got a WFH job at $28/hr with a GED lol
College kids lose again

>>15632771
>>15632779
I already have some work experience from college but I'm kind of a retard at looking for a job. That's why I don't know if I should take the job because yeah, I'm broke and unemployed but it's a job you only need at HS diploma for really. I don't know what I'm doing.

>>15632796
Yeah just take it for now but stay on the prowl for anything better. $15/hr is just enough to roll out of bed for but not enough to do anything beyond the bare minimum or show them any dedication. If you decide to stay unemployed until you find something that meets your standards you might do that fresh undergrad thing where you don't work for 2 years and end up taking a job at Target.

>>15629653
>what a retarded requirement to graduate, but something you shouldve been doing anyway. step by step
Yeah... honestly I have not been the best student. Haven't done well in any regard. But I should be able to limp through the finish line if I just get this done.

>professors can smell bullshit, they were students once, too. just be honest but at the same time don't be desparate about it. If they say no or whatever, get them to point you in the right direction and resources. just have a conversation with them, they're people too.
OK, thanks. I'll read up on my professors' studies and see what I can do. This shit can be confusing, but I think I'll be ok if I just pick out 2 or 3 studies that most interest me and read them fully.

What's the best way to do this over email? Just request a zoom meeting? School does not start up until the 28th, and I don't live close enough to campus to make in-person meetings until then.

>sounds like you might graduate a semester late
I can't afford that (literally). My scholarship runs out this spring.

>>15633070
I am in your boat as well, I looked around and this seems useful. I want to go to a chemistry grad program into matters so I need to farm as many research experiences as I can and I only have one so far.
https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/20260/as-an-undergrad-student-how-should-i-ask-a-professor-for-an-opportunity-to-do-r

>>15629069
Ask your classmates if any of they them are in labs or know a professor looking for someone.

>>15632805
I'm a fresh undergrad at 25 it really seems like I screwed everything up

I'm an EE with a decent job. I could just relax and coast now but part of me really wants to continue with higher education. Not sure what to do though. I was trying to decide between a technical MS, an MBA, or law school. I was a garbage undergrad student so all 3 are probably off the table, but I'm still trying to decide.

>>15629069
>>15633070
As a last resort, request a meeting with the Dean of your college and give him the necessary sob story. Afterwards, there is a fairly good chance he will use all his power to figure out a way for you to graduate because college dropouts do negatively affect a college's reputation.

>>15633070
Yes, over email and request zoom or phone, they might not be available in-person either. I wasn't the best student either, honestly was in the same boat you were. Scraped by with Cs and got out. Godspeed.
>>15633548
I second this. They can do a lot.

hey is it crazy to ask a professor to informally audit a course (just sit in lectures, and follow along with weekly assignments)
figured it would be weirder if i just popped up into their lectures just sitting in the back instead of having at least gotten permission first

>>15633813
That's the only way to properly audit a course

what are the financial benefits of higher levels of math? how is calculus going to make me money?

>>15635105
>calculus
>higher level of math
ngmi