/sci/ - Science & Math

Ive been thinking about this as well anon...I dont think there is an easy solution towards this problem

>>15578768
Cultural pressure if you go soft handed. Breeding program if heavy handed. Make sure children are fully fed, mentally stimulated, and rested. Correct anti-social behavior, physical activity, and hand ons learning. TV is fine if it's showing anything then pure brain garbage.

>>15578773
But since IQ is mostly genetic, we can assume that cultural pressure alone wont work right?

>>15578768
>asian parents: beat the shit out of kid if not A+ all that
>black parents: they expect their kid to be shot, daily, glad kid's still alive.
it's like there's socio-economic and cultural factors at play.

>>15578768
What exactly do you wanna "solve" here? What's the Issue with the gap existing as is?

>>15578780
How do you explain blacks in Europe (one of if not the safest continent on earth) not being any smarter than ones that live in Africa?

>>15578785
Simple, white population is steadily dropping, as is now the east-asian one.
If neither of these groups exist i fear that mankind will loose centuries of progress and modern society will collapse

>>15578787
so are you denying what I am saying and what is shown here? >>15576278

>>15578768
It is not necessary to solve the IQ gap. We just need to introduce a corresponding geographic gap.
Send them back to Africa.

>>15578777
I assume he means cultural pressure for high intelligence members of those populations to marry each other.

>>15578780
If black kids were intelligent and quiet instead of dumb and impulsive, their parents would expect them to get As and not get shot.
Their culture is the consequence of their nature.

>>15578768
low iq numbs the pain

>>15578768
There is no solution. Stop feeding the browns, close borders for them, thrive.

>>15578768
Pay people with IQ < 90 to undergo sterilisation. Pay people with IQ > 130 to have more kids. Midwits (90-130 IQ) have to pay to have children. It all balances out.

>>15578777
That's why I said soft handed. We don't have a law about not fucking pedophiles but people still don't do it. Make having kids with people that present the correct Intellectual markers and to be honest with kids when thier stupid and you create a version of natural selection without needing lions to maul a town.

>>15578780
>its all culture
Nonsense. We have twin studies where twin Asians adopted by different parents at birth still beat their siblings handily.

There's a large genetic component to the intelligence.

>>15578768
Genetic engineering. If that's too hard, embryo selection. If that doesn't work, breeding programs.

>>15578838
well there's a good argument that only by improving the rest of the factors that don't include DNA, there is a pretty decent gain to be had from there. which is still way better than nothing.
also say you maybe correct for everything else and you do get some lesser numbers purely on what, birthplace luck? think you would have done better in their shoes, born in the very same place? nope.
you should know better, as a high IQ scientist who understands what is actually happening, you weak piece of shit.

>>15578792
>The problem is low fertility
So.... why are you even asking what you can do to fix this anon? Isn't it obvious? White people should just have more kids.

>>15578854
You seem emotionally unstable as evidenced by your use of profanity. Science requires a rational and collected mind. I might suggest going outside temporarily until your anger cools so you can view the topic rationally, otherwise selecting a better board for your intellectual ability may be in order.

>>15578768
>Now the question is, how do we solve this gap? What steps should society take in order to make sure that the true human average is 100?
Not that I think it's necessarily a good approach but if you concede genetics control it to a great extent like many here do, the only solution to actually leveling out IQs is forcibly race mixing everyone into a mixed mutt. Otherwise logically, the goal of equalizing IQ is irreconcilable without some sort of selective genetic editing which we honestly don't have the ability to do nor do we understand the long term consequences. I'd just accept that there is a bell curve for every race and there are deviations between their means that will probably remain, the smart blacks should be uplifted as much as possible and the left side of the distribution is probably screwed and ideally would be disincentivized from reproduction but that's politically infeasible and likely immoral. Same with white/Hispanic/asian folks, if societal stability can be maintain the right side should be given incentive to reproduce. There is also more to life than IQ so don't try to solely optimize for one parameter.

>>15578879
>leveling out IQs
That isn't what he asked about though. What he wants is to raise everyone else up to the highest standard.

>>15578871
I am rational enough to understand that you give value to birthplace, like it's a sort of merit. like anyone has a say in this.
think god chose you a cozier birthplace because your soul is not as wretched as an african soul?

>>15578884
Studies show that birthplace and IQ are not related, except insofar as birthplace may correlate with race.

>>15578768
Apparently average IQ is the only thing Asians have to brag about..

>>15578886
>except insofar as birthplace may correlate with race.
no shit. still didn't answer my question. is that what you believe? that a higher being chose to have you born in a better place because your soul is worth more than of those born in Africa. respond to this.

>>15578897
That seems like a bizarre thing to ask. What relevance does it have to the fact that different races have different levels of intelligence, on average? It sounds like you're upset and lashing out at something you dislike about yourself, which is highly unscientific.

It would be easier to edit the genes of whites and Asians to give them dark skin than to increase the intelligence of Africans.

>>15578854
Seems like you're mad.

>>15578897
>is that what you believe? that a higher being chose to have you born in a better place because your soul is worth more than of those born in Africa.
Yes

>>15578882
I don't see anywhere where it explicitly referred to raising the standard. The reading I took from the post question explicitly "how do we solve this gap?" And "What steps should society take in order to make sure that the true human average is 100?"

They seek to eliminate or minimize the gap and leave how that gap should be dealt with open so long as it is "solved". It is unknown what was intended by "solved" so I am filling in what is ordinarily meant when people talk about solving gaps or differentials in things (which is how do you minimize/eliminate the differential). The second question is somewhat confusing, IQ test statistics always normalize the population mean to 100 for distribution purposes since it is an otherwise meaningless scale intended exclusively for comparison/data purposes so currently the true human average based on the sample population taken in any given period of time is 100, but an individuals specific test scores could change on the basis of a changing in the distribution statistics. I don't know what is meant by "true human average" but assumably, they mean some arbitrarily decided, distinct time frame IQ for comparison to be able to compare IQ as a function of time to account for the renormalization of these statistics but I don't know otherwise since the question is imprecise.

Anyhow to raise G (general intelligence) it is really unknown how to go about doing that for sure. I would hypothesize that if you stopped low IQ people from reproducing, theoretically G should increase but we don't know for sure, by how much it would increase, or how quickly (how many generations) such an change would take. Genetics are incredibly complicated and predicting magnitude of change from mixing of genes several generations from now is very difficult, IQ is related to hundreds of genes. Good luck ever being able to attempt such an experiment in the west, it would be completely unethical in our current liberal democracy.

>>15578882
If today you leveled out everyone's IQ and lowered it to, let's say to about 90 based on current norms, you will realize that it has only been lowered enough so that it is still about 5 points higher than what the average white man was 100 years ago. Thanks to the Flynn effect raising IQ by nearly 15 points in the past century. That is to say, the average Black American man today scores nearly the same as the average White American man 100 years ago, who would score 85 on average today.
Then you wait a couple more decades and wait for the Flynn effect to bring it back up to the current white average, problem solved.

>>15578935
>Then you wait a couple more decades and wait for the Flynn effect to bring it back up to the current white average, problem solved.
The Flynn Effect was due to improved nutrition. It plateaued in the 90s and is declining now. There is no magical Flynn Effect to save you from genetic degradation of that magnitude.

>>15578935
>Then you wait a couple more decades and wait for the Flynn effect to bring it back up to the current white average, problem solved.
The Flynn Effect was due to improved nutrition. It plateaued in the 90s and is declining now.

>>15578943
Well If it did plateau, a 10 point decline would still mean a return to higher average than the old white average IQ. Aren't you guys supposed to be "Return to tradition" types either ways, you should prefer a decline.

>>15578953
This is the most retarded argument ever lol.

>>15578780
>black parents: they expect their kid to be shot, daily, glad kid's still alive.
Good point, why do black people keep killing each other? We should probably increase policing in black neighborhoods so that black parents don't have to live with this fear. El Salvador is developing at an incredible rate with this strategy.

>>15578957
Of course it is, that's exactly why there's no refutation, right?

>>15578970
Refutation for what? That permanently damaging the genetic potential of the human race is a bad idea?

>>15578967
>We should probably increase policing in black neighborhoods
That's racist.

>>15578897
kek cope low iq

>>15578973
>That permanently damaging the genetic potential of the human race is a bad idea
Why do you say damage? I would think of it as enhancing the genetic potential.
You really have no argument except for "I just FEEL LIKE the IQ should be even higher." Present an argument or just concede and stop replying.

>>15578983
Enhancing means lowering the intellectual potential of the human race? I don't understand your position, do you think that it's beneficial to have less genetic diversity and fewer geniuses?

you all need to read Harrison Burgeron

...then cope if you are just here to cry about your genetically low iq

>>15578984
Yeah I would say that that would be an enhancement, correct. Why would you think that we absolutely NEED to have higher IQs?

>>15578994
(I meant the lowering of the IQs by the way, not the genetic diversity point. That is irrelevant to the topic of discussion)

>>15578994
That seems to run contrary to the typical definition of enhancement, which is the improvement of a quality. Your argument is that degrading the human genetic potential is ultimately a benefit. You have yet to provide evidence for such a claim thoughever.

>>15578994
Are you unironically retarded?

>>15578999
Perhaps a slight decline in IQ would bring about improvement in life quality. It just depends on how you define it. Material success isn't the definition of "improvement" of a peoples lives. You can have a lot of money, but still be living a depressing lonely life. That is success on paper, but not in reality. You might not have scarcity of food, but you might be obese and impotent. So then I ask the same thing, was life so terrible 70 or so years back when the IQ was lower?

>>15579004
If I am a retard and you are unable to prove me wrong, what does that say about yourself?

>>15579049
Dude, stop jerking yourself all over this thread. Your ideas are awful.. silly even.

>>15578879
You could preserve the appearance of races by coming up with a measure of what race someone looks like, using skin tone and face measurements or maybe AI, and having selective breeding programs for each race that select for a combination of correct racial appearance and IQ. Still allowing race mixing in small quantities and/or cases where someone inherits a lot of their appearance from one part of their ancestry.

>>15579067
You know you could just stop replying instead of openly displaying your low IQ?

>>15578768
By nuking Africa.
No niggers, no gap

>>15578768
Like this: https://youtu.be/lHn8MOESkCk

>>15578768 https://youtu.be/XNAF5pAQENI

>>15578768
Easy, make whites and asians dumber.

>>15579673
There's no shortage of activists who unironically think this is the best way.

>>15578768
>>15578773
Cultural pressure worked very well, just force niggers to open a books and perform well enough..

>>15578768
>So it is clear by now that IQ is mostly genetic
According to who? I don't think there is a concensus yet

Why are eugenicists only interested in hurting brown people instead of dumb people in general?

>>15578768
/sci/ is IQ supremacist. We will take a high-IQ black in the black long tail over a low-IQ redneck any day of the week. In fact, we believe in exterminating all low-IQ people, including most of the African continent and most of redneck America.

>>15578787
>blacks in Europe not being any smarter than ones that live in Africa
It's ridiculous that you believe this. Of course blacks in Europe (and even most of the Americas) are smarter than the ones in Africa.

>>15578787
Blacks in the UK perform better than whites in exams…

Yep, MIGA retards get the rope too.

>>15578787
That’s just nonsense. Here in Britain African students have higher marks on average than white students. Caribbeans on the other hand, tend to fare similarly to white working class students. And it’s much easier to come here from the colonies than it is to America.

>>15580597
>>15580591
Why do you lie anons? It's the same heirarchy over there, except pakis and Bengalis perform around the same as blacks. Asians & Indians still on top, White in the middle, blacks/pakis on bottom. Maybe we don't have pakis, but it is the same here otherwise.

>>15580581
Because most dumb people are brown people

>>15580589
Unironically proof? Cus from my day to day interactions with blacks in Europe they dont seem smart at all

>>15580649
That graph is from 2000 #1

#2 it lumps Africans and Caribbeans together

>>15580592
Fuck you nigger

>>15580649

>>15580661
Scientifically speaking, why are Caribbeans so stupid?

>>15580664
Ask the Irish Travelers

>>15580668
Centuries of deleterious inbreeding in an already dysgenic population?

>>15580588
>In fact, we believe in exterminating all low-IQ people, including most of the African continent and most of redneck America.
this. 95% of /pol/ gets the gas.

>>15580588
>/sci/ is IQ supremacist. We will take a high-IQ black in the black long tail over a low-IQ redneck any day of the week.
No way. Why would you ever prefer a intelligent enemy to a dumb friend? See jews for example. Them being smart only made them cause more damage.

>>15580699
/pol/ is a higher iq board than /sci/
/pol/ has managed to have meaningful, impactful real world accomplishments
/sci/ has one publication with no citations in a low ranking replication crisis journal

>>15580734
Convincing mentally disturbed autists to shoot up old black people isn’t an accomplishment, bitch

>>15580734
Yet you are on /sci/ and not on /pol/. How many /sci/ posters have you seen posting IQ threads on /pol/?

>>15578777
It doesn't but it can effect behavior.
Everything in African tribal society is hierarchically imposed. They don't feel shame or guilt the way Caucasians do.
Their concept of "future" is also very different, which makes consequences harder to consider. These differences are not cultural, they're biological (prefrontal cortex)
Cold hard truth

TND

>>15580858
>yah sure jocks with hot gfs are in the chess club but how many chess club people play football and have hot gfs
is not the own you think it is

The best you can do is give your kids a shot at inheriting a high IQ.

>>15580734
>/pol/ is a higher iq board than /sci/
True, bots are smarter then humans
>/pol/ has managed to have meaningful, impactful real world accomplishments
You mean the training camp bombing right? I really hope you don't mean Trump getting elected.
>/sci/ has one publication
Thought institution were shit? I'm more interested in the anons doing thier own experiments.

>>15580935
>I'm more interested in the anons doing thier own experiments.
You're more likely to find them on youtube presenting their findings than here.

>>15580879
So you think I should cuck out and watch in a corner while a nice 140 IQ Harvard grad Jewish fellow impregnates my wife? That will give me a high IQ son right?

>>15580950
Jews have a 90 average IQ.

>>15580874
That is true I didn't think about it.
Chess players don't play football because they don't meet the requirements to play it, that is, having athleticism.
/sci/ posters don't post on /pol because they similarly don't meet the requirements to post in it, that is, having paranoid schizophrenia.

>>15580952
Yeah, and whites have a 110 IQ, while blacks have a 130 IQ. So maybe BBC was the way all along.

>>15580966
You seem upset. Why would that be?

>>15580961
>having paranoid schizophrenia
Which is correlated with high IQ.

>>15578768
Simple: exterminate all males with spatial IQ below 100. Force males with IQ above 130 to do anonymous sperm donations so excess females can have babies if they want.

>>15580971
I'm Jewish of course, why else my friend. Who do you think lives in your walls?

>>15580978
You're right.

>>15581014

>>15578768
Kill all the niggers

>>15578768
>What steps should society take in order to make sure that the true human average is 100?
Genocide everyone who isn't white, can't have a gap when there's only one human race lmao

>>15581152
It would unironically fix most of the world

>>15581204
The white fertility rate is dangerously below replacement. Human civilization would be gone in 3 generations as a result of dwindling numbers if just whites were here.

>>15580950

>>15578768
To test this, have a poor black kid whos parents are low iq be raised by rich white people. And then have a white kid born to high iq parents be raised by blacks in the ghetto. Measure the outcomes 24 years of age

>>15581213
>Lynn's "data"
Thrown in the toilet, took a shit on top of it and flushed away for good.

>>15581219
Coping IQlet.

>>15578768
State mandated girlfriends and reproduction, it's the only way. Scientifically speaking, of course.

>>15578768
>How do we fix the racial "IQ Gap"?

Identical to asking how do we fix the racial height gap?
You can not!
It is genetic.

It is not like the natural intelligence differences between the races is NEW... it was always noted.

>>15578768
Iq tests are dumb, there's no way Asians are first. It's not fair all they're good at is taking tests

For anything practical we know who's first

>>15581212
>The white fertility rate is dangerously below replacement.
You can thank the increasingly shitty economy , dwindling salaries and free gibs given to niggers and pakis for that, who do you think is forced to pay for it?

>>15581251
Yes you can. Height is genetically linked to IQ. The smarter you are, the taller you will be. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3617178/)) If you manage to equalize everyones IQ, you can greatly reduce the height difference as well.

>>15581285
It's been below replacement in many countries for a while, way before any of those things were a thing. Heck France & England were lower in 1800 than many non-white xountries are today. Countries like this received immigration from other European countries that had healthy levels. Problem is, today, no European country is above replacement, so you can't do that anymore. In fact, by the mid 20th century Europe was barely above replacement, and by the late 20th century, most were already below replacement, before all of the immigrant and economy shit started.
But it's not because of Immigrants ruining these countries. Countries like Poland, hungary, Belarus, the Baltics are way worse in terms of fertility, worse than their immigrant receiving counterparts. and they receive almost no immigrants. Or look at Finland, materially probably one of the most prosperous countries on the planet, no immigrants, no nothing, low crime, good salaries, good economy etc. One of the lowest rates in Europe. Paradoxically, the European country with the highest fertility is France now (though still quite a bit below replacement). I think you can guess who is responsible for that.

If it was about economy, salaries and all of that bs, Nigerians and Africans wouldn't be having so many kids. They have nothing, not even food, and still pop out 6 kids a woman

>>15581307
>If it was about economy, salaries and all of that bs, Nigerians and Africans wouldn't be having so many kids. They have nothing, not even food, and still pop out 6 kids a woman
Because unlike white people they don't care that their children grow up to be retarded homeless crackheads, thieves and rapists, niggers have zero clue about responsibility or consequences, which is why they will never advance beyond the subhuman status. Kill all the niggers and give the land to more civilized people who at least know how to use a hammer for anything else besides caving in your neighbours skull.

>>15580734
Nah, I can go post to /pol/ and claim to be muh insider and get 300 posts in the thread. Here maybe only one or two /x/ tourists would bite.

>>15581314
Irrelevant point.

The main thesis still stands. The white race is a dying race as a result of it's inability to reproduce adequately. In the absence any other race, the human species risks extinction, or at the very least, complete civilizational collapse.

>>15581321
>gets btfo
>UUH THAT DOESN'T COUNT
Hang yourself nigger, nobody likes you

>>15581319
/pol/niggers have an average iq of 70 nowadays
they fall for anything
board wasn't too bad before 2016

>>15581323
>gets btfo
kek if you actually think that I am the one that got btfo'd

But I don't believe there is a point in further wasting my time arguing with a genuine retard. So I'll just say you win.

Good luck on your GED though! hope you finally pass.

Well, this thread is pretty demoralizing

>>15581314
Poor white people used to breed like blacks too. Just put black people in charge of white countries and let then run it to the ground, and you'll see whites start having a dozen kids per woman again.

Want to see black people disappear? Put the Jews in charge and let their country prosper for a generation or two.

>>15581343
That's what happens when /pol/ shitposts too much

>>15581290
Isn't height greatly linked to nutrition too? Europeans weren't all that tall until a couple generations of great prosperity passed.

American blacks are ridiculously tall and they score poorly on IQ tests. Asians in the past 2 generations have been exploding in height. If you look at nations like China who only started industrializing in the 1950s and was a poverty ridden shithole filled with billions of starving peasants, in the northern part of the country their average height for the most generation of young men is like 5'9 which is insane.

>>15581152
and then they'll fight each other

>>15581379
Idk if the topic is just pol shitposting. It's always been depressing thing to think about for me. Kind of makes me wonder if I should even try.

>>15580661
>>15580649
>ggse
isn't that shit known for its dubiosity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y96w-YHtoI

>>15581396
What do you mean? Are you demoralized about being black?

>>15581321
>the absence any other race, the human species risks extinction, or at the very least, complete civilizational collapse.
Even in the presence of other races, the extinction of white people would bring complete civilizational collapse.

>>15581219
cope and seethe

>>15581396
Life is more than just IQ

>>15581412
And life would go on. The industrial revolution is a mistake

>>15581412
>would bring complete civilizational collapse.
Pretty sure things were fine before colonialism

>>15580591
Only on GCSEs and even that's very recent trend. Thier measured IQ is 88
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341433335_Measured_Cognitive_Differences_among_UK_adults_of_Different_Ethnic_Backgrounds_Results_from_National_Samples

>>15578848
This. Embryo selection is probably the best method that will be widely adopted first.
Genetic engineering is a very long way off at least in the public sphere, maybe DARPA niggers will do something but I doubt it. There was a lot of criticism for the Chinese scientist who used Crispr to alter the genetic makeup of human embryos.

>>15581411
Yes. Every time I think about bettering myself and pursuing a higher education I always end up doubting myself, not just because I lack confidence and self esteem, but also because I'm aware of the link between race and IQ. It's a constant reminder that effort isn't enough.

>>15581415
Sure, but having a higher than average IQ can open doors to more opportunities, right? That would be nice to have.

>>15581380
Yes, but the increase in nutrition increasing height was simply because of the fact that farmers had extremely bad nutrition and had stunted growth due to it. Industrial revolution and good nutrition just brought us back to normal height that we had before Humans invented agriculture, and it has stagnated now that we are back to hunter gatherer levels. Height isn't growing anymore. see picrel for what I mean, and you can look up height growth over the years to see that it has stagnated in the developed world for some decades now.

The study is for genes either ways, not nutrition. Height increasing genes correlating with IQ increasing genes. And it's 0.1-0.2 correlation. If someone reads only IQ studies one might think that's a high correlation, but it's a really weak correlation and outside of "IQ study" pseuds, it would be thrown in the trash instantly.

So no, IQ doesn't increase height. It's a negligible correlation. Which means in reality that IQ is not a good predictor of height at all, no matter what midwits say.

>>15581477
Children born during Dutch famine had the same IQs as those whose mothers had normal nutrition.
source:https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/download-54.pdf

Jewish people who were and who were not victims of the holocaust do not significant differ in cognitive functioning.
source:https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.865.3915&rep=rep1&type=pdf

>>15581467
Networking and connections are more important

>>15581467
If you actually believe all the "le IQ predicts everything in life" midwits on /sci/, you will actully not make it. Extremely gullible person for falling for actual retarded arguments. You seem like the type of person to believe everything anyone tells him. It's over for you. Just give up.

>>15581479
Did you even read my post? Are you retarde--- I apologize for even asking, you have made your cognitive capabilities very obvious.
also
>Emil Kierkegaard
kek if you think I even piss on this shit, midwit.

>>15581496
>also
>Emil Kierkegaard
You think he's the author of the Dutch famine study because his name is in the URL? The absolute state of this board xDD

>>15581489
>having realistic expectations of yourself is... le bad

>>15581518
>If you can't solve math puzzles as well as an autist, you should... le kill yourself.

>>15581489
I don't believe that IQ predicts everything in life, but there does seem to be some evidence to suggest that IQ has some value. Maybe it is over for me. I can't seem to think positively about myself.

>>15581533
It's 5:15 am and I'm not helping my mind and body by staying up to post in a discouraging thread.

>>15581489
There's a strong correlation between IQ and positive life outcomes. Of course it's not 100% so you'll try to use the exceptions to prove the general case wrong. That works, on those of low IQ.

>>15581417
Things were fine before during and after. A few more people dying, a few more people living, there's no difference.

>>15581563
Can you prove it? And don't post anything self published by Lynn, Kierkegaard etc. and co. Actual researches only.

>>15581599
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615000501

>>15581603
>The studies were based on the estimates of national intelligence provided by Lynn and Vanhanen, 2002, Lynn and Vanhanen, 2006, Lynn and Vanhanen, 2012

>>15581603
Cites Lynn so the paper is invalid. Or you could admit IQ is meaningless.

>>15580872
You first.

>>15581608
>>15581606
Why are Jewish communities safe and prosperous while African and Hispanic communities are crime ridden and destitute?

>>15578768
What genetics makes one low IQ and why is Africa so different from anywhere else? Actually what makes high IQ?

>>15578768
eugenics. Genetic modification through parents electing their children for it. That would require deregulation of the medical industry, so never gonna happen.

>>15578777
It will go some way to help. The selection pressures created by the government giving money to single mothers makes more fatherless black children. Very dysgenic. Also by design.

Ok some explain the genetics of why Haiti has a higher IQ than DR despite being poorer and Blacker, explain how other african countries have a higher iq than North Africans despite their admixture? Now we can say they're more inbreed which is a more compeling argument but if we are to go by genetics alone the recent IQ chart like>>15581213 is inconsistent.

Like Vanuatu on par with Spain and Italy despite being Polyenesina people or surpassing Israel.

Or even some shithole countries in LA and Middle East being more smart than Laos and Philippines.


What genetics account for this?

>>15578777
Long-term, cultural pressure influences who breeds. If you make it cool to be smart, the smart black guys have a better chance of outbreeding the dumb black guys, slowly raising the intelligence of the gene pool over time. This goes for everyone, really.

>>15581599
>>15581606
>>15581608
>posting people that repeatedly prove my worldview wrong is not allowed btw
Can shitlibs get any more pathetic?

>>15581314
Are you retarded?

Poor people have more kids to compensate for high mortality rates, farm labor, and to be cared for in old age

Europe and Asia had similar birth rates when they relied on agriculture & industrial labor for survival

>>15581426
>Inconvenient facts bother me so I’ll handwave it

Lol

>>15581871
Outliers should be handwaved, yes

>>15581733
You don't even have to go outside of Europe for this. He estimated the highest IQ European country to be Belarus, a shitty third world country, practically the Africa of Europe. Norway($89,000 GDP per capita/0.96 HDI) one of the most well developed and high Quality of life countries in the world, is the same IQ as Russia($12,000/0.82) one of the worst countries to be born in in Europe. Why is Poland comparable in IQ compared to France, and higher than countries like Italy, yet by no metric is as well developed as the rest of Europe? Why do Polish people immigrate to every other European country for menial labor when they have as high an IQ? When you even when you look at it historically, why was East Germany, the most productive well developed and economically well off part of Germany pre-WWII turn to shit after. And it wasn't after 1991 that it started catching up to West Germany, but still lags behind today? Did the IQ genetics of the East German people change that significantly in 1945, and then change again in th 90's?

Unless you account for other factors besides IQ, you can't answer these questions.

>>15582323
>Unless you account for other factors besides IQ, you can't answer these questions.
Yeah no shit. You act as if you were the first person alive to think of this.

>>15582366
Every time I cum to this board, it does feel like I'm the only sentient being among a bunch of psych patients, so you have to clarify basics for them.

>>15578768
It's complicated by the fact that we have two brains: the neocortex, and the cerebellum.
The neocortex allows people to uderstand how things work. The cerebellum only works on patterns, equations, and categories. And it's the latter that is being promoted as intelligent, (and measured with IQ tests) even though it's inferior.
In other wost the whole western culture is built to support and breed those who rely on the primitive brain, and getting rid of those who use the advanced brain.

>>15578768
It's complicated by the fact that we have two brains: the neocortex, and the cerebellum.
The neocortex allows people to uderstand how things work. The cerebellum only works on patterns, equations, and categories. And it's the latter that is being promoted as intelligent, (and measured with IQ tests) even though it's inferior.
In other words the whole western culture is built to support and breed those who rely on the primitive brain, and getting rid of those who use the advanced brain.

>>15582405
>the whole western culture is built to support and breed those who rely on the primitive brain, and getting rid of those who use the advanced brain.

HA HA HA HA HA
Brown fingers wrote that!

>>15582323
I even check the demographics of Vanuatu, 95% of them are pic related this makes it even worse. I don't get this anymore.

>>15582323
Also we need to know what IQ tests he actually used to collect data.

>>15582323
>Did the IQ genetics of the East German people change that significantly in 1945, and then change again in th 90's?
Interestingly, Lynn published a "research" claiming that East German IQ rose something like 7-8 IQ points in the decade following the collapse of communism. So environmental factors can increase your IQ if your skin is white, and all white countries that are bad can just be improved by environmental changes. but If you're a SWARTHY SUBHUMAN, then your IQ is an immutable characteristic based on infallible biblical truth that just predisposes you to be less intelligent than Koko the Gorilla no matter what you do. Absolute buffoonery.

>>15578780
their low intelligence causes their tribal primitive gang shooting behaviour, not the other way around that why's why you can see a pattern no matter where blacks are they have the same behaviour patterns. you're stuck in the entry level left wing 'optimistic' viewpoint of this topic

>>15578768
>How do we fix the racial "IQ Gap"?

You're starting off with the wrong premise. Why are you assuming the "IQ Gap" is an issue to begin with? People are different, and that's OK. The real question you should be asking is, "how do we live together peacefully DESPITE the IQ Gap?"

Of course, to answer such a question means we'd have to recognize the cognitive biological differences. This is a touchy subject that the faint of heart simply cannot accept because it directly conflicts with their blank-slate-equalist narrative.

I know the answer to it, though. The first step is to eliminate these faint-of-heart from any positions of power where they can impede the steps necessary to implement progress. Once this is done, you need to assess and quantify the real goal before implementing it. What is your real goal? If it's to create a high-trust society, then certain conditions (some of them contradictory between races) must be met. So, that goal really translates to maximizing the trust by satisfying as many of these conditions while also minimizing the conflicts.

One of these conditions is racial homogeneity. People generally feel more at ease among their own kind. There is real evolutionary biology behind that. You'd want to encourage people making children among their own kind, so that whites breed with whites, mongoloids with mongoloids, negroids with negroids, etc. in parallel. Races that are too homogeneous may have relatively high trust among one another, but they can become hostile to alien races (see the races on the sentinel islands). So you want to create controlled channels that allows intermingling of the races, just enough to keep them curious about one another. There's clearly a lot more, but I think among all the races, the higher-IQ ones generally have a higher tolerance for other races than the lower-IQ end. This is what I mean by controlled channels.

>>15582509
>If you're a SWARTHY SUBHUMAN, then your IQ is an immutable characteristic based on infallible biblical truth
lol who are you quoting retard

>>15582509
Lynn literally said African environment depresses their IQs by 10 points. Why are all Lynn hater so fucking uninformed?

>>15578768
This is retarded. Anyone here who actually does research in math/physics can tell you the Chinese are lazy and dumb.

>>15582509
Biblical truth? Why would any self respecting black person worship God then?

>>15582563
Much of the human race was originally a result race mixing

>>15580714
>enemy
Do Americans really?

>>15578768
>How do we fix the racial "IQ Gap"?
Get rid of low I.Q. and high I.Q. ethnicities to balance it all out?

>>15583180
>Much of the human race was originally a result race mixing
The fuck are you on about?
Human "races" were created as a result of massive inbreeding.
Mixing races makes everyone look the same, ugly.

>>15578768
>Now the question is, how do we solve this gap?
It's solving itself. Smart people die childless.

>>15583221
If they don't have reproductive success, were they really smart or were they just midwits with delusions of grandeur?

>>15583219
>neanderthals

>>15583224
Ah yes, I guess Nikola Telsa was a midwit all along

>>15583224
The data about IQ is in OP's image. The birthrates should be common knowledge. Perhaps you're a midwit?

>>15583242
Source: trust me bro

>>15583226
>>neanderthals
Not human species nor a human race.
Back to 5th grade biology class kiddo, and stay awake this time.

>>15583219
You are embarrassingly wrong. The most basic Eugenicist knows more than you, and you would too were you literate. Stick to shitposting.

>>15583252
Source: trust me bro

>>15583248
They are a different species genius. The point is that early humans mixed with a group different from them

>>15583254
Do you think Modern Europeans just popped out of nowhere? Why do you think variations exist among them then?
I will give a brief explanation, you can look up details for yourself. Europe around 8000 yrs ago before Farming was discovered was inhabited by "Western Hunter Gatherers". These were dark skinned but light eyed people (Look up Cheddar man). Then when Farming was discovered, Farmers from Anatolia moved into Europe and replaced and mixed somewhat with the Western Hunter gatherers. These people then we call "Early European Farmers". Southern Europeans have larger descent from these people. (Look up Sardinians, modern Sardinians are almost 80% descended from them). Then, from the pontic Caspian steppe, as a result of mixture of "Caucusus Hunter gatherers" from modern day Iran and " Eastern hunter gatherers" from modern day Russia, you got the "Western Steppe herder" people. (Other names they may be called are Aryans or Yamnaya or Proto Indo-European). These people then invaded Europe and replaced and mixed with the locals again. The replacement was more thorough in the North, where Nordics derive almost half their ancestry from these guys, whereas Southern Italians only about 20%.
So Europe is mainly a mixture of three populations that existed around 6000 BC. The Western hunter gatherers, the Early European Farmers and the Western Steppe Herders. And these populations themselves were a mix of older populations like Ancient North Eurasians, Basal Eurasians etc. And they themselves mixtures of even older populations, and so on. Humans even mixed with Neanderthals once you go back far enough.

This is true for every population, not just Europe. Almost all populations are derived from a mixture of many ancient populations. There is an entire field of "Archaeogenetics" that works to figure this stuff out. And the word for populations mixing and creating new populations is "ethnogenesis". Point is, everybody is a mongrel.

>>15583256
>They are a different species genius.
That's what I said.

Are you ESL? A.I.? Or just plain stupid? Races are the result of inbreeding, not racial mixing. Your brain/processor is fucked up.

>>15583328
I am talking about the modern human race as a whole, not individual races

>>15583311
Also this. Indians also a result of natives mixing with Aryans, Central Asians are turks mixing with iranians as another example. Humanity is inherently mixed

>>15583338
>human race
>uses 1980s meme term
This is a science board. Leave if you don't want to use scientific terms.

>>15583353
>playing dumb

>>15582408
On the contrary. The primitive tribes like Himba also think the same way, they are cared for by their cows more than the other way round. The hierarchy of the middle class seems to be essentially inverted - the more primitive you are, the higher you manage to get. And it's getting worse as using your higher thinking marks you as undesirable, and people work on translating old knowledge meandlt for the neocortex for the cerebellum under such buzzword names as making tacit knowledge explicit, as there aren't people intelligent enough to do the jobs and can't be taught the usual way which only builds upon common sense, the natural ability to understand what is taught.

This thread is painful

>>15583719
Yeah, it is.

>>15583719
Why?

>>15582656
It's always people with the biggest hate boner for Lynn who know nothing about this work.

>>15582656
He thinks their IQ is in the 60s

>>15584852
He thinks it's 71 and their genotypic IQ is around 80

>>15584993
Some of his estimates are well below 70

>>15578768
I fucking love 4chan idiots: "source: as shown by the gazillion threads made on /sci". You guys don't know a shit about this topic.

>>15580664
hypoglycin toxins from eating ackee as a staple food, weed culture, envy culture, baby daddy/broken family culture.
i went to a school that was 50% black.
i know many Caribbeans who acted "white" and got very good grades and are now professionals - ie doctors. They were about 5% of the carribeans. The other 95% who didn't act "white" smoked weed from a young age because the parents did, openely joked about how their mums beat/verbally abuse them, were overtly aggressive to teachers, other students and even their friends, and also thought participating in education was for nerds or "neeks". They also had unprotected sex at an early age resulting in teen pregnancies, perpetuating their broken family systems and economic depravity.

>>15578768
Implying IQ is not something you are not born with if you're poorer and can't do well in school, look up Openheimer that's like the life of a guy too poor to be rich

>>15585006
African average is 71

>>15578768
>How do we fix the racial "IQ Gap"?
End systematic racism that is holding BIPOC back. Right now only white-adjacent communities have economic opportunity and that is reflected in IQ tests.

>>15578768
sterilise all negros with an iq below 110. There, you've fixed it

>>15585161
its 75-80

>>15585161
African Americans have a well established average of 85. African Americans have about 25% white admixture on average. That means the original African slaves must have been 80 IQ. And the slaves were from the lowest classes of society and should have already been below average. So the true African IQ must be above 80 at the very least.

>>15585577
That assumes a great deal about genetics and African populations that you have no way of proving.

>>15585583
You can prove these things though.
1) You can establish an African American IQ relatively easily. Im not gonna go over this because It's already been done. Its well established.
2) You can establish white admixture easily by genetic testing. This has also already been done.
3) You can establish that the mean IQ of a mixture of two populations is going to be the average of the IQ of the two populations, weighed appropiately by their genetic contributions. So the Mulatto population is going to have an mean IQ that is the average of the Black and white populations. This is well established as well.
4) Considering the above 3, we can derive the average IQ of the original slave population using the mean white IQ, mean African American IQ and White genetic contribution to African Americans. This comes out to about 80.
5) Then we can say that the slaves were already the lowest classes in their society. For that, we can look at history. Those that were enslaved were neither the Aristocracy, nor the scholarly class. They were mostly lower in the social heirarchy, and were sold to the Whites by the higher class Africans themselves. Of course, this aristocracy & merchant class wasn't selling themselves into slavery.
6) We can determine that IQ is correlated to social class in a society. That is to say, the richer, aristocratic and scholarly class of people is going to have an average IQ higher than the lower class of people. Just as Janitors on average will have a lower IQ than the President's cabinet. This is also well established.
7) Considering these factors, we can say that the original slave populations 80 IQ is representative of the lower social class in Africa, and the average of the total population should hence be, at the very least, higher than 80 IQ within Africa itself. Even if one is to reject points 5 and 6, one must still concede that the average IQ of Africa must at least be around 80.

>>15585646
>one must still concede that the average IQ of Africa must at least be around 80

It MUST be due to a 'Lousy Education System"

>>15585691

>>15585693
This isn't true at all first off the literacy rate total is 95% which is higher than america which is 75%

If what you say is true the literacy rate would decrease dramatically down on average.

>>15586174
>redefine literacy rate to include most illiterate people
>literacy rate rises to 95%
surprised pikachu face

>>15585646
We already establish that admixture doesn't necessary mean higher rate of IQ, middle east, Horn africa and DR all have lower IQ compare to other majority "African" or Carrib places

>>15586175
Cope then the same argument must be said about USA

>>15578871

>>15586208
Middle east and DR definitely aren't lower and the horn has very spotty data. with that said, admixture doesn't mean higher IQ like you said

>>15586252
It's lower than Haiti and Barbados either way all three are higher than Philippine.

>>15586210
How? You pointed out that the USA accurately points out its low brownoid literacy rate.

>>15586293
You made the claim it redefined literacy, so I would say the same must be for USA

>>15586299
How do you make that determination?

>>15586306
Well first how did you make that determination that they redefine it?

>>15586299
In South Africa, literacy is defined as being able to discern and sound out words in a language. In America literacy is defined by a specific skill and task-based metric that judges reading at an adult cognition and social functioning level rather than a basic word-sounding level. The difference in how the government defines literacy is shown by more rigorous studies that show that only 20% of South African students can meet the international literacy standard for their age group. 80% of grade 4 students are illiterate, compared with 3% in England and 13% in Chile.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-12-06-read-it-and-weep-sa-kids-struggle-with-literacy/

You can only claim "victory" by lowering the bar. When the bar is equal, the gap appears wider than ever.

>>15586312
See >>15586316
South Africa has a less rigorous definition for literacy. The USA expects more reading comprehension from its citizens, as most first-world nations do.

/Thread

Just let this shit thread die faggots

>>15586316
>>15586319
Ok how about Zimbabwe do you believe the same redefine is there?

>>15586401
Is this a joke?

>>15585218
Come up with better bait next time

>>15586406
You didn't answer the question does it still refine or not. Cause the definition from ALA is not so different so from South Africa.

And you're going based on one grade level we don't know if it decrease as they go up or not.

test

>>15585577
You are forgetting the tremendous environmental difference between Africa and America. Africans have 80 IQ only when they live in ideal environment when they live in the third world they are ~70. When they live in ideal environment AND they have European genes they are 85 IQ.

>>15585646
>5) Then we can say that the slaves were already the lowest classes in their society.
This is speculative desu

Purely due to socio-economic factors. Stop systemic racism and see them flourish.

>>15586208
Admixture does mean higher IQ. Caribfags aren't as high as you imagine

>>15586685
Unironically this.

>>15586693
Carribs especially Brazilians have high White admixture yet their IQ is around 80s, Barbados and Bermuda have a higher IQ than Bosnia and Isreal.

>>15586916
>Carribs especially Brazilians have high White admixture
not really

>>15586961
You saying Pardos and Dominicans don't have pretty high admixture?

>>15586916
Barbados - 80 IQ
Bermuda - 90 IQ (30% white)
Bosnia - 94 IQ
Israel - 95 IQ

>>15586968
Here is what IQ scores in Brazil look like

>>15578768
Just measure things better. All IQ reveals is the end game of the IQ tests as a tool. Worse than pseudoscience.

>>15586972
Where you get those scores?

>>15586975
out dated

>>15586994
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/intelligence-a-unifying-construct-for-the-social-sciences-richard-lynn-and-tatu-vanhanen.pdf

>out dated
what's outdated about them

>>15587002
The fact it was literally from 2002 and the meme lynn map sheet people kept posting was 3 years later.

>>15587005
da fuck are you talking about

How is Fiji a Melanesian people smarter than the list above aside from Estonia

>>15587008
>>15586975
Ref is from 2001 and 92 so again out dated

>>15587011
oh Ecuador but El Salvador is dumber than Haiti which 81 IQ

>>15587013
IQs are pretty static. They are not GDP data that need to be updated annually

>>15587016
Then you're even more idiotic cause even within flynn and other iq datas it changes whether regress or progress yearly otherwise it would be literally the same percentile.

>>15587028
Flynn Effect stopped in 1970s

>>15587030
Obviously not considering Sierra Leone was 91 in 05 and now back to 60 in 2019.

>>15578768
>How do we fix the racial "IQ Gap"?
The same way that happened to white people, with eugenics and cultural colonization, of course. It might take centuries of selection under ethical standards, though. It's impossible to happen in our lifetimes, though. You'll need as much work and time as it took to Rome and Paris and London and Berlin to happen anywhere else in the world.

>>15585691
>we will ignore data to accelerate political interests and still call it science because politicians are paying the bills
Then they proceed to pretend to wonder why people are skeptic about scientific authority

>>15587432
Anything can happen within 5 years.

>>15586679
Ghettos aren't exactly ideal

>>15578780
There are Chinese or Asians that are more poor than black americans in ghettos. They don't have extremely high warzone like murders. There is the entire state of West Virginia and tons of other poor rednecks and they don't kill each other to the tune blacks do. It must be something genetic otherwise poor poeple everywhere would be killing each other at extreme rates. Besides blaxk areas we don't really see that.

>>15581213
> Nepal 43 IQ
non-sense. At 43 you probably won't be able to cook yourself food. I'm gonna guess the tests were shitty/shittily conducted and had huge verbal or cultural component that wasn't localized very well

>>15578787
Or Canada. Or africa. Or brazil. It's a world wide phenomenon. Which is why I think it's genetic.

>>15578803
Yes sir.

>>15578768
>"fix"
*enhance

>>15578768
>how do we induce 250,000 years of evolutionary pressure in just 50
you can't, enjoy playing baby sitter for the next millennia. resources are better invested in those that can instead of those that can't, entertaining asinine liberal utopian values that have zero biological basis.

>>15587432
The only way to induce expedited evolutionarily acquired intelligence in negroes is to miscegenate them to such a degree they constitute an entirely different race. In which point, all you have accomplished is breeding them out of existence, in order to induce more desirable characteristics, totally obviating their constitution.

>>15581343
>I am LE SUICIDAL because darwinism applies to humans as much as it does any other species
>my LE BLANC SLAYT multiculti pozzpot utopia was just a coping lie to explain away the failures of others on account of their own inate characteristics

>>15578815
Except smarter poeple tend to not have kids for some reason lol. Midwits do. And the stupid do too. Strange.

>>15578897
>>15578981
>le genetics applies to everything, at the exception of human brains.

>>15578792
This is why I always think humanity has already peaked. Non whites and non Asians cannot sustain modern civilization. So once we become minorities or lose control. The human race will free fall. Proabably won't ever recover.

>>15578812
Or take them over and finish the job. Imagine a world filled with only whites and Asians. Now that could really be nice.

>>15588354
(You)

>>15578768
>Now the question is, how do we solve this gap?
genetic engineering. all of these threads will become obsolete within the next century as long as we don't have any qualms about making humans smarter through it (or at least fixing the left tail that has learning disabilities, which most sane people should have no objections to)

>>15578768
ask to /pol/

>>15581324
/sci/ isn't too much better, it used to be midwit but now it's just nowit.

>>15581307
There is about 0% chance that humanity would die out due to a low fertility rate. All that a low fertility rate actually signifies is that currently, at this moment, the population is above the comfortable limit. There's too little shit to go around. Looking at per capita indicators is a mistake, since while Finland etc are materially wealthy, they're chronically overworked, overstressed and functionally unable to maintain healthy evolutionary behavior of family life and childrearing. This is literally the equivalent of the behavioral sink - material wealth, behavioral scarcity.

Now, unless someone here thinks that a complex modern society is unable to exist without chronically overworking its populace (which may easily be the case), they shouldn't really worry about societal decline via low fertility. There will be an economic shrinkage as the population dwindles, but reaching a comfortable level, people will start fucking again. Hopefully there won't be too much of societal simplification in the mean time.

>>15589449
Under a liberal system the total collapse of the population is inevitable once women are emancipated and free to choose their partners on top of being allowed to earn their own income which a partner would traditionally provide, as you create a system where the standards of women are elevated and therefore as they seek mates that can provide greater prosperity this crossgenerationally creates women who have ever increasing standards demanded of mates until the average woman is no longer satisfied by what the average man can provide and they cease to mate which is where we are today what with greater than 50% of all women over 30 being childless which will logically bring about a halving of the population at least in the next generation.

Any society that embraces feminism enters a death spiral, as all women are inclined to do is consume, not produce. We are post-post-scarcity, entering the end of the age of plenty. Everything was given to them on a silver platter and we have nothing to show for it.

>>15589609
You people are bigger tools than all the retarded "race realists"

>>15589636
I honestly don't understand how you could think race realists are wrong, you can make all sorts of moral arguments and excuses but denying racial IQ differences just means willingly living in googoogaga land.

>>15589609
No it's much worse, as the undesirable men will drive the desirable men out of society, in hope that women will have sex with them instead.

>>15580871
For example, the Aymara people of the Andes have a unique concept of time where the past is in front of them, and the future is behind. Their linguistic and gestural symbols imply that the past is visible and known, whereas the future is unseen and therefore lies behind them. This worldview might affect decision-making and perceptions of consequences in ways that are different from Western societies.

Another example is the Pirahã tribe in the Amazon, which is known for its immediacy principle. They focus mainly on the present and immediate future, with less emphasis on the distant past or future. This concept of time influences their lifestyle and decision-making, with a focus on immediate needs rather than long-term planning.

more examples:

The Aborigines in Australia: Their concept of time often follows a "circular" model, where events and stories are cyclical and eternal, rather than linear. This concept is often referred to as "Dreamtime" or "The Dreaming", which is a spiritual notion of time out of time, or everywhen. This could influence how they perceive consequences, as events are seen as part of an ongoing cycle, and what happens now is understood to have resonance in both the past and the future.

Inuit cultures in the Arctic regions: The Inuit people have a unique perception of time, highly influenced by their natural environment, which sees long periods of daylight and darkness. Their concept of time is immediate and closely tied to nature's rhythms. For example, instead of specifying an exact time for an event, it might be related to when the tide comes in or the sun rises. This approach could influence decision-making, prioritizing the natural rhythms of the world around them and their immediate needs over future planning.

>>15589743
certain interpretations within Indigenous Australian cultures suggest a perspective of time where everything is happening simultaneously. The Dreamtime, or the Dreaming, refers to a time when the earth, people, and animals were created. Rather than a distant time in the past, the Dreaming is a continuing process that affects the past, present, and future. Some Indigenous Australian narratives might align somewhat with your concept of present actions influencing the past.

Buddhism also has interesting perspectives on time. In certain Buddhist philosophies, all moments of time (past, present, and future) are interdependent and can be seen to exist simultaneously, although it's more focused on interdependence than the direct influence of the present on the past.

>>15580871
>knows nothing about african culture

>>15589636
>yes I believe in different breeds of dogs and that some breeds of dogs are more intelligent or violent or athletic or sociable or stronger but no I don't believe in different breeds of humans nor that any traits like in different breeds in dogs would be present in different breeds of humans because different breeds of humans don't exist but they do for every other species and I believe this for no other reason than so I can avoid being called a le heckin raycis because not upsetting the fee fees of less accomplished peepoo is more important than acknowledging the uncomfortable and immutable reality of natural selection
It would be a real shame if you snapped your neck with these extreme mental gymnastics

>>15589743
huh, is this related to life history theory? r and K selection? Sounds like it should be

>>15587768
You will have higher quality of life in NYC ghetto than in rural Malawi

>>15578838
It's been shown that Asians spend 2-3 times as much time on homework than Whites and like 4-5 times as much as blacks.

This seems like a bit of a flaw when assesing these scores as something innate. It might be but then it's likely an innate ability to work for longera hours without immediate reward

>>15589848
The concept of guilt is specifically jewish.

>>15578768
>What steps should society take in order to make sure that the true human average is 100?

It's simple...
We kill the niggers.

>>15590106
Yeah, and the higher conscientiousness of the Asians is exactly why a 90 IQ Asian was found to be professionally just as well a performer as a 100 IQ white. The general high performance of Asians isn't explained only by IQ, as their IQ is only 5 points above whites, but their performance is significantly above whites, similar to what would be expected with a 10 point difference or more. It is only when you take that hard work into account that it makes total sense. It is not a negation of their IQs as much as it is an affirmation of their conscientousness. That is why affirmative action works well for America, since it bars soulless Robotic Asians from completely dominating the education system. Just based on grades, not only do blacks & browns decline in colleges, but so do Whites. Only Asians increase, and significantly so. So you're right, they are not only high IQ, but also robotic hard workers. They are both innately intelligent, and harder workers at the same time, one doesn't negate the other.

>>15590193
?
The concept guilt is specifically from the Judeo-Christian religions. Islam not so much, but both Christianity and Judaism heavily emphasize guilt. You ever heard of the guilt vs shame cultural axis?

>>15590479
>That is why affirmative action works well for America, since it bars soulless Robotic Asians from completely dominating the education system.
That works as well as stubbing your toe to forget your toothache.

>>15590503
>Fear High

>>15587568
Certainly, but what exacly do you expect to happen?

>>15588321
This is why I told you we need generations. Germans were bog people on roman times. How long do a people need to get to the point of germans today? You can't say "black people are unable to develop" because you can't see how long any people needed to develop in the first place.

>>15582323
smart people can live in shitty situations if they choose to or other factors but idiots CAN NEVER live in a high intelligence, high technology society. What is hard to understand about this for your simple mind? This is like saying not every 7 foot tall person can be an NBA player so that means if you are 3 feet tall have just a much chance of being a power forward. Are you retarded?

>>15578768
You don't need to, it's fake and has been debunked.

>>15590594
me on the right

>>15578768
>>15590710
Everyone need to watch this first before any further discussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBc7qBS1Ujo

>>15590717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHYMnrcqhz0

>>15590718
It fail to debunk anything said by Shaun though. It's mostly "I disagree" and "I have heard science say otherwise".

Fuck, he doesn't even provide proper source for his counter points.

>>15590740
Now calm down and try actually watching the video

>>15590740
althype destroys that psued faggot like it isnt even funny

Look for the core of this statement.

You can do better

I accepted.

I put my energy into this.

There must be I swear it

>>15590756
>1.
Almost no one ever argued there is no biological basis for race, but that it is much more complete and that it is more accurate to talk about ethnic group than just a few races that would be limited to an amount of 5 or 6.
>2.
See answer to 1. Also, I'll add that social construct can easily be BUILD around races
>3.
See answer to 1. again. It still doesn't change there is a a biological basis to claim one group is superior to the other.
>4.
See answer to 1. again This is not an argument that is actually made by most anti-racist people. And again, it doesn't determine if one group is superior to an other.
>5.
There hasn't been actual difference in intelligence biologically established from one group to the other. to begin with, which mean that statement is based on a non-proven premise.
>6.
Scientists can't even agree to a proper definition to Species to begin with.
>7.
See answer to 1. again. It's more accurate to talk about ethnic group and again, there is no biological basis to determine if one group is superior to the other.
>8.
Almost no anti-racist actually make that argument.

This whole info-graphic try to make points that are either irrelevant to the matter of race and intelligence, or try to disprove point no one significant was actually trying to make.

Also, it's fucking old, I remember seeing this when /new/ still existed. Get some material.

>>15590752
I have. It fail to debunk anything Shaun actually say and doesn't even properly source its statement.

It goes on assumption o what science actually said without properly backing it.

>>15590793
You responded within seven minutes of me posting that video. It's hour and 33 minuted long

>>15590756
>1.
Almost no one ever argued there is no biological basis for race, but instead that it is much more complex and that it is more accurate to talk about ethnic group than just a few races that would be limited to an amount of 5 or 6.
>2.
See answer to 1. Also, I'll add that social construct can easily be build AROUND perceived races and biological differences.
>3.
See answer to 1. again. It still doesn't change there is no biological basis to claim one group is superior to the other.
>4.
See answer to 1. again This is not an argument that is actually made by most anti-racist people. And again, it doesn't biologically determine if one group is superior to an other.
>5.
There hasn't been actual difference in intelligence biologically established for one group or an other to begin with, which mean that statement is based on a non-proven premise.
>6.
Scientists can't even agree to a proper definition of what is a species.
>7.
See answer to 1. again. It's more accurate to talk about ethnic group and again, there is no biological basis to determine if one group is superior to the other.
>8.
Almost no anti-racist actually make that argument.

This whole info-graphic try to make points that are either irrelevant to the matter of race and intelligence, or try to disprove point no one significant was actually trying to make.

Also, it's fucking old, I remember seeing this when /new/ still existed. Get some material.

>>15590797
>You responded within seven minutes
I have already seen it. Fuck, I haven't saw the 5 hour long answer that was on Vimeo or something.

>>15578768
>>15578838
>>15580649
>>15580661
funny how these retarded graphs always boil down to asian supremacism but the pushers, who have selective bias, points out how "non-whites" are behind. As if the graph and arguements are unrelated.

>>15590816
White privilege believers like to pretend Asians don't exist. Makes things so much easier

>>15590683
The difference is, the Germans rose to greatness all on their own. You are proposing tens of millennia of hand holding and coddling and extreme self loathing and affirmative action, all to prove the failed ideology of liberalism.

>>15590846
>The difference is, the Germans rose to greatness all on their own
Anon, most of the German culture and legacy stem from the Roman empire (case in point, they intentionally named their empire the "Holly Roman Empire")

>>15578768
Billions Must Die.

>>15590808
>Almost no one ever argued there is no biological basis for race,
Plenty of people do, when they say that race is a social construct or that there's no scientific basis for race, they mean exactly that even if you don't.
On the other hand no one said that races are in principle limited to a small number. It's not more accurate to talk about ethnic groups, it's just a more pc label on the same thing.

> there is no biological basis to claim one group is superior to the other.
If there is a biological basis for race, there is a biological basis to claim superiority in some aspect. East asians are more intelligent than whites who are more intelligent than blacks.
>Lewontin's fallacy is not an argument that is actually made by most anti-racist people
When they talk genetics, yes they use it often.
>Scientists can't even agree to a proper definition of what is a species.
Never stopped them from using it.
>Almost no anti-racist actually make that individual success the relevance of race
Yes they do when they're dumb, which is often.


>There hasn't been actual difference in intelligence biologically established
See >7.
But that's such a silly argument. You could say the same about skin color.

>>15590856
>Anon, most of the US culture and legacy stem from Amerigo Vespucci himself (case in point, they intentionally named their country the "united states of America")
And mos

>>15590886
Well, yes. You are not undermining my point. Saying "they rose to greatness by themselves" is fucking bullshit.

>>15590893
>You are not undermining my point.
Yes I am. Using the name of Rome means very little in regards to the culture. Their institutions, their language, their customs, their food, their architecture, their agriculture, their music and all other forms of art before the renaissance, and so on, none of it stems from the roman empire, that's fucking bullshit.

>>15590874
>Plenty of people do
No one significant and there still isn't biological basis to establish one group is superior to the other.

>If there is a biological basis for race, there is a biological basis to claim superiority in some aspect
Actually, no, one does not entail to the other. Also, it's more accurate to talk about ethno-groups with no fully defined lines.

>When they talk genetics, yes they use it often.
No one significant. it is simply not a relevant point.

>Never stopped them from using it.
Doesn't change the point that it undermine the concept of genetic distance between ethno-groups. If it can't even been significant enough to distinguish different species, it'll be even less significant within a species.
>Yes they do when they're dumb
Not really. Only brough up when someone say "no one from that group can".
>See >7.
Agai that there are difference between ethno-group doesn't entail that one is superior to the other. 7. Doesn't prove anything.

>>15590920
>. Using the name of Rome means very little
It was just a furhter indicator of it, anon. the core argument is that Germany stem directly from the legacy of the Roman empire. and the Holly Roman Empire actively made a point to perpetuate that Legacy and basically claimed to be the heir and continuation of it.

they didn't rise form nothing , much like the rest of Europe, they build themselves from what Rome had left.

>>15590921
>No one significant
For you maybe but this infographic wasn't made for you.

>one does not entail to the other
Sure does. 105>100>85, no way around it.

>If it can't even been significant enough to distinguish different species,
Choosing one criteria for your classification does not mean other criteria are not significant enough.

>7. Doesn't prove anything.
Proves biological origin of intelligence differences.

As an aside, personally as a racist I don't care about any superiority of my race over others, I don't want us to rule over others, I just want an ethnostate, so biological differences without hierarchy are enough to back my ideology.

>>15590846
>the Germans rose to greatness all on their own
Weird way to spell "centuries of colonial and religious disciplinary opression of the populace". Lemme guess, you believe in white spirit too, right?

>You are proposing tens of millennia of hand holding and coddling
Oh, yes, because that's exacly what the romans did to the germans

>to prove the failed ideology of liberalism
You obviously have college-level education. Have some ideas of your own instead of parroting what your political authority tell you to.

>>15590929
>It was just a furhter indicator of it
But you didn't mention any closer indicator. Because there isn't any. German culture is only marginally connected to the roman empire, which never covered (except for like 9 years) most of the german-speaking areas btw and didn't leave much there.
The holy roman empire didn't make a point to perpetuate anything but the name.

>>15590969
>For you maybe but this infographic wasn't made for you.
No it was made for a strawman. It fail to dany actual argument against racism.

>Sure does. 105>100>85, no way around it.
I can't beleive I have to explaine that to you, but difference between ethno-groups is not a single variable anon. How dumb arte you to not understand this? and Intelligence is not a criteria that has been biologically defined.

>Choosing one criteria for your classification does not mean other criteria are not significant enough.
Ethno-groups are a sub-category of species, anon. They are not unrelated criteria.

>Proves biological origin of intelligence differences.
Seeing intelligences hasn't been genetically or even biologically defined, no, it doesn't.

>I just want an ethnostate
Not possible as no ethnogroup can be properly defined and there will always have people who can't properly be put in one group rather than the other.

>>15590982
>German culture is only marginally connected to the roman empire
It directly stem from the empire of Charlemagne, who himself stem from the remanent of the Fallen Rome and sought the validation of the Roman pope.
Many of its cultural knowledge come from the catholic church which itself stem from the Roman empire.

>>15591005
>No it was made for a strawman.
Nope. All those are actual arguments, whetther you like them or not.
>difference between ethno-groups is not a single variable anon.
I specifically wrote
>superiority in some aspect
Can't you read ?
Obviously general superiority is harder to establish, but then again claiming that a group is more intelligent than another is generally understood as general superiority since intelligence is important to our societies.

>Ethno-groups are a sub-category of species, anon.
Well not quite. Ethnogroups were introduced for a different classification made especially for humans because people were reluctant to treat them like other animals. But whatever. They are not unrelated criteria ? What are you talking about ? In any case, genetic distance is a significant measure, even when you use morphologic differences or geographic distances to distinguish some specific groups.

>Seeing intelligences hasn't been genetically or even biologically defined,
IQ if you prefer. Pic related it's you.

>there will always have people who can't properly be put in one group
That's not an issue. Kick out everyone for which there is no doubt that they belong to another group and that will be good enough already. In political matters there is always a margin of error.

>>15591011
>It directly stem from the empire of Charlemagne
Not the german culture no. The holy roman empire yes, so there are several degrees of separation from the actual roman empire, and a much closer connection to their actual ancestors. Same for their religion, there is no direct link to the roman empire.

>>15578768
Twitter has been infected with this sort of discussion so here are some final points I made.

>Yes intelligence is inheritable but only affects a small part of one's final intelligence. Behavioural traits that are dependent on environmental factors play a far greater role.

>Talking about IQ gaps between races is nonsensical because of large differences in IQ amongst people of the same race but with different societal conditions

> It has already been proven that IQ is dependent on income and that your IQ will increase if you live as a child in a high income family. In France Orphans with measured low IQs were adopted by families with varying levels of income and the ones adopted by rich parents ended with higher IQ's

>IQ tests traits that can be trained and so it cannot be used to establish the final inherent intelligence of someone.

>Lynn's data is mostly bullshit and twin studies are too. Because they measure the correlation between the children BUT this does not measure the increase or reduction in IQ a child gets by being in a particular environment because covariance is translation invariant.

My final point is intelligence is not clearly defined but for me it is divided into 2 particular traits : memory and computation. Most people assign intelligence to the memory part and combined with light synthesis/computation can really make you the best in pattern recognition, memorization, verbal communication and those arithmetic quizzes.

The computing part is about you going in a new unfamiliar situation and making the best out of it.

This cannot be measured.

>>15589649
Because those differences don't matter

>>15590969
> I just want an ethnostate
Your best shot was the Nazis and they blew it so it will never happen. Learn not be a race autist like 99% of people and you'll live just fine

>>15589892
>yes I believe in different breeds of dogs and that some breeds of dogs are more intelligent or violent or athletic or sociable or stronger but no I don't believe in different breeds of humans nor that any traits like in different breeds in dogs would be present in different breeds of humans

This is retarded because dogs were bred for specific traits: agression, height, speed by humans over centuries. That is not the same for humans. Now race-realists would retort that white people lived in winter/harsher conditions but people in the Sahara and Inuits do not have the highest IQ amongst humans. Then mental gymnastics would ensue because of your inherent bias.

>>15591143
Until vibrancy is dumped on your neighborhood.

>>15591143
>you'll be okay with the events unfolding currently
My country is already falling apart. And even if it wasn't and our new europeans were peaceful, productive and tolerant people, as the ADL puts it, losing our sovereign existence and nationalist identity and becoming a vulnerable minority within what was once our own territory is not fine.
Thankfully the worse it gets the more people are raising against it. Fingers crossed.

>>15591179
>two more weeks guys it'll happen

>>15591066
>Nope. All those are actual arguments
They actually aren't. That's my point. None of them are actually relevant.

>I specifically wrote
>>superiority in some aspect
>Can't you read ?
Except you writing tht is pulling this out of your ass, cause difference doesn't entail to superiority.

> but then again claiming that a group is more intelligent than another is generally understood as general superiority
Intelligence is not a trait that has been biologically established, anon. What you are saying is therefore irrelevant.

>Well not quite. Ethnogroups were introduced for a different classification made especially for humans
It's still a sub-category of the human species, anon. It still remain that it is false to say ethno-group are significantly genetically distant, as even Species can not be properly defined.

>IQ if you prefer.
IQ has not been genetically or biologically defined, anon.

>That's not an issue.
Your whole concept is a bundle of issues and there is nothing backing up that what you propose will result in any kind of improvement. You propose something that will inevitably hurt people for nothing that can be objectively justified.

>>15591095
>Not the german culture no. The holy roman empire yes
>>15591095
The German culture stem from the Holly Roman Empire. Degrees of separation doesn't change that it's bullshit to say German culture rose to greatness by themselves.

>>15591152
>Now race-realists would retort that white people lived in winter/harsher conditions but people in the Sahara and Inuits do not have the highest IQ amongst humans.
Oh yes, people living in different conditions having different traits sure disproves the idea that people could have developped different traits under different conditions. What mental gymnastics will we need to get out of this ?

>>15591179
>My country is already falling apart.
Hey, anon, the reason is not due to people of different ethnicities. You are not losing any national identity.

>>15591212
How does this affect intelligence in particular ? Sure whites may have more adipose tissue to compensate for colds and blacks more slender bodies for hot environments or whites may have more behavioural traits that enable them to endure being confined while it's cold outside but how does this affect intelligence? How does that environment select for intelligence traits in particular ?

>>15591195
>That's my point.
Well your point is just wrong. Relevant to you or not those are arguments used against racism.

>cause difference doesn't entail to superiority.
Sure does, in regards to specific differences. 105>100>85. Again, it's not something I care much about, but it's undeniable.

>it is false to say ethno-group are significantly genetically distant, as even Species can not be properly defined.
Nope, it's unrelated. You could throw away the whole concept of spcies and genetic distance would still be significant.

>IQ has not been genetically or biologically defined, anon.
What do you mean by that ? It's a well defined measurement with an established biological basis.

>there is nothing backing up that what you propose will result in any kind of improvement. You propose something that will inevitably hurt people for nothing that can be objectively justified.
Sure there is. We can start with the value of biological and cultural diversity, that is largely accepted these days, and can only exist when groups are kept separate and prevented from significant mixing. Then the simple comfort of living where you belong with your kin, which is an innate feeling for all humanity. Then the people's right to self-determination, and what the ADL says in >>15591179 regarding sovereignty, identity and vulnerability. Then the higher crime rates of african and middle eastern immigrants and their descendents, and the violence and oppression that Islam supports.
The invasion of white societies hurts a lot of people, and their liberation will put a stop to that.

>>15591192
I feel proud of having hope.

>>15591204
>The German culture stem from the Holly Roman Empire.
No. Cultures don't come from the states, they come from the peoples. German culture preexisted to the HRE.

>>15591333
>Relevant to you or not those are arguments used against racism.
Not by anyone significant and trying to provide counter-argument to irrelevant point does not prove racism right.

>Sure does, in regards to specific differences. 105>100>85.
Again, only true for quantifiable value of thing differentiated by a single criteria. You are not making a point saying that. And number are not the only way that things can differ. Yellow is not better than purple. Only a moron would think this is a valid argument.

>Nope, it's unrelated.
wrong. Ethno-group are a sub-category of the human species. thus undermining 7.
>You could throw away the whole concept of spcies and genetic distance would still be significant.
Factually wrong. throwing away the concept of species defacto throw away the concept of ethno-group.

>it's a well defined measurement with an established biological basis.
Never has been. there is not even a scientifically standardised IQ test.

>We can start with the value of biological and cultural diversity, that is largely accepted these days, and can only exist when groups are kept separate
This is not a fact and has never been proven. You want to kick people out of where they live for no actually concrete reason.

>I feel proud of having hope.
You don't have hope, you have other people's despair.

>>15591344
>No. Cultures don't come from the states
Culture stem from culture and the knowledge and Culture of existing within the Holly Roman Empire lead to the German culture. No culture ever rose to greatness by themselves.

>>15591250
>How does that environment select for intelligence traits in particular ?
Well you're familiar with the cold winter theory. Another part is surely accidental, another part due to founder events, another part is due to sexual selection, and cultural phenomenons. There's also admixture with other homo species, There's plenty of possible explanations. The only thing we know is that intelligence is affected by evolution and that blacks are less intelligent than whites.
We don't know for sure how pygmies were selected for small size, when other groups were not, but we know it happened.

>>15591391
>and that blacks are less intelligent than whites.
We don't know that, it has never been proven.
Nothing you are describing demonstrate what affect intelligence specifically nor how.

Don't try to present as fact what hasn't been proven yet.

>>15591333
>Then the simple comfort of living where you belong with your kin,
Only autists think this

>>15591333
>The invasion of white societies hurts a lot of people
Immigration is not invasion.
>and the violence and oppression that Islam supports.
Most Muslims don't support violence.

>>15591370
>Not by anyone significant
Who cares who you consider significant ?
>Again, only true for quantifiable value of thing differentiated by a single criteria.
Good to see you admit it.
>throwing away the concept of species defacto throw away the concept of ethno-group.
No, and you could throw away ethnicity and still measure genetic distance.

>Never has been.
It is.

>This is not a fact and has never been proven. Y
It is a commonly accepted value and simple logic proves that diversity needs separation.

>nothing is significant, relevant, concrete and objective
Lol ok

>>15591396
>We don't know that, it has never been proven.
It has been measured
>Nothing you are describing demonstrate what affect intelligence specifically nor how
Don't need to.
>Only autists don't think like this
Fixed that for you.
>Immigration is not invasion.
Yes it is.
>Most Muslims don't support violence.
Sure they do, from low intensity pervasive violence like forcing people to wear this or that, to stoning unfaithful wives, to killing infidels, most muslims have some kind of religious violence that they approve of.

>>15590756
You'll never be human rajsheet

>>15590826
Asians weren't poc during jim crow they were consider White same with Hispanics.

>>15591118
IQ is around 80% inherited, 20% environment.

>>15591143
Every single race other than white gentile liberals sees race as the single most important aspect of not only their identity but also those of everyone around them.

>>15591431
>blaming muslims for violence when its americunts who are bombing their countries

>>15591459
>sees race as the single most important aspect
You mean their ethnicity. Blacks don't care about other blacks and Asians don't care about other Asians.

>15591466
>"blacks don't care about other blacks"
>what is blm
>what is black panther jury letting oj simpson walk
>what is there is a race riot everytime a dindu jogger gets capped resisting arrest0
>what is obama getting 95% of black vote

>>15591476
All african american things. Blacks from Africa hate african americans btw

>>15591391
So you don't know how different environments or the factors you stated affect intelligence but you suppose they do because you suppose they do ? I just want to point out that this thinking is very dangerous and untrue. Untrue because you associate correlation with causation without even accounting for other factors and are basically saying blacks are lesser humans and can be equated to a certain extend to pets/animals

.>>15591453
Heritably of IQ is 80% but there is a verbal component in IQ and for sure children born from well read parents will eventually be well read.

Raven's matrices put Africans at a disadvantage because their education system does not consider that kind of tests. Quizzes, puzzle games are not popular in Africa or among black people but they are in the West you have to consider that.

The final gotcha from race realists is usually the income to SAT stat that days that upper middle class blacks have the same scores as poor whites. But what is the primary occupation among blacks in the top 5% ? Is it related to academia or an intellectual profession ? No. It's filled with athletes, the entertainment industry,
and affirmative action executives. Also considering black American culture that is fundamentally anti-intellectual. The chances of seeing a black person interested in intellectual activities is very very slim.

>>15591493
>are basically saying blacks are lesser humans and can be equated to a certain extend to pets/animals
You're assuming that he doesn't already see blacks as animals and he probably wouldn't want them as pets. I also doubt that most black kids in the 5% only care about sports and entertainment.

Race differences are real. Whether they are due to culture or genetics is the argument. It is probably a mixture of both. Actions speak louder than words, and the fact that some nations have acheived high standards of living while being homogenous until recently shows that different groups are not necessarily able to acheieve the same outcome, again, either due to culture or genetics. Vast majority of scientific devlopment and leaps in technology or new discoveries have been made either in Europe, european settler states, or East Asia.

>>15591415
>Who cares who you consider significant ?
Who care who YOU do, none of the point addressed by this info graphic actually matter.

>Good to see you admit it.
Admit what? there are many criteria that make ethno-groups different from each other and it hasn't even been proven that intelligence is one such criteria, anon.

>and still measure genetic distance.
But the difference would still not be significant, seeing it can't even be significant enough to make sure to have a clear definition of species.

>It is.
You have failed to prove that there is an biloigcla basis for intelligence.

>It is a commonly accepted value
Don't attempt to present as fact what is your opinion.
>and simple logic proves that diversity needs separation.
You haven't provided a dingle logical opinion.

>Lol ok
It's up to you to prove claim, anon.

>It has been measured
It hasn't, there exist no biological way to measure intelligence.

>Don't need to.
So "dude trust me" then? Look like you are full of shit.

>Yes it is.
Sorry, invaders don't go to occupy some of the lowest rows of a society.

>rom low intensity pervasive violence like forcing people to wear this or that, to stoning unfaithful wives, to killing infidels
None of that is specific to Muslim. You fail to prove anything.

>>15591453
>IQ is around 80% inherited, 20% environment.
>>15591493
>Heritably of IQ is 80%
There is no scientific paper backing that up, especially as the measure of IQ isn't even standardised in a scientific way. IQ is not even something that science has demonstrated to actually measure properly intelligence.

>>15592106
>and the fact that some nations have acheived high standards of living while being homogenous until recently shows that different groups are not necessarily able to achieve the same outcome
Not being necessary doesn't mean it's wrong either.

> Vast majority of scientific devlopment and leaps in technology or new discoveries have been made either in Europe, european settler states, or East Asia.
And?

>>15591415
>No, and you could throw away ethnicity and still measure genetic distance.
See it this way:
there isn't a sufficient genetic distance to genetically differentiate apples from pears. Therefore, it make no sense to claim that there exist significant genetic distance between the different kind of apples.

>>15591447
Thank you for another contribution to this discussion Afro Saxon. I learned something new yet again.