/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15578278
Science IS magic. TRUE magic. If science is truth, how is it not true magic?

>>15578278
>>15579865
I have something for you science golems


https://youtu.be/0514L2QwOBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUL7y8AMeU8

>>15578278
Reality is magic, scientifically speaking

It goes matter, energy, magic, chi

>>15578278
How do I prove this to my colleagues? They're threatening to fire me for similar claims.

>>15579915
They are historically illiterate, is why. Science is itself an evolution on past and outdated magical thinking. Peasants far back enough did not distinguish between astronomy, chemistry and explicit magic. It was all equally esoteric to ignorants. People thought fucking math was magic, and cults grew around Pythagoras, like he was some sort of wizard or sage. Mystery makes magic. But so do the wonders of physics.

>>15578278
>Magic is real
Do a magic. Show me. You can't because this isn't fucking Harry Potter.

>>15580340
just because we can't harness it doesn't mean it doesn't exist

>>15580340
A comma is magic, you pause when you read it. Call it comatose counter-force.

>>15580354
If we assume mind is real. We can assume magic concerning conscious input/output exists

>>15580342
A meta perspective is useless to an entity that can't do anything about it. Test it out tell your dog where the bank is and then see what happens next. Just like your dog will never cash a check we will never cast fireball.
>>15580354
Yes, we can larp. Chemistry is magical potion making If only pedagogues knew how to use imagination maybe our education wouldn't be on the decline, but it's still a magicklet cope. You will never be a wizard.

It's called "quantum".

>>15580381
>I rename something that has existed for 1000's of years and now we understand it exponentially less than the ancients who discovered it did but me smart and you dumb!

>>15578278
Of course. Everything we don't know is magic. Like an atom bomb for a medival peasant,

Some days I really wish that our universe had true magic like fireballs, teleportation and invisibility spells.

>>15580818
I wonder what people would think if we met an alien that could do everything the god of the christian bible could do. Would people consider them gods?

>>15581195
That’s literally what God is. Probably a higher dimensional alien that perceives spacetime differently. That doesn’t change what He is to a Christian, though. It’s just a matter of analyzation.

>>15581183
That’s just not true magic. The very idea of spells like that—fireballs from the hands, runes in the air, invisibility, levitation, etc—is far too artificial and convenient. Constructed. True magic is what >>15579865 says it is—Truth. Deconstruction.

Consider mystery and wonder. Isolate them. That’s just stage magic; an honest mystery that entertains. The viewers know it’s a trick of nature. Now what does a physicist say when they confront something new and/or bewildering? “Hmm, that’s weird, I wonder how that works?”. The universe is a magician. Magic is a magician.

But mystery and wonder may bring out something else. Something more tangible. Fear. Fear of the unknown (“I don’t understand it and it scares me and my faith, therefore witchcraft”) has -always- been associated with magic, as does esoteric knowledge of any kind—people back then did not distinguish between explicit magic and esoteric fields such as chemistry or astronomy or geometry.

Isaac Newton (called the ‘last magician’ by some) was more so a Hermetic occultist than natural philosopher proper, and was obsessed with alchemy and the sacred geometry of Solomon’s temple. The word for pharmacy is derived from an old Greek word (pharmakeia) that once meant sorcerer/poisoner. Clearly magic is a relative matter—it doesn’t go away, it becomes something else. It’s a way of looking at things. Closer a feeling than a thing.

Mystery makes magic, but so do the wonders (and fears) of nature.

>>15579865
this, I don't understand people searching for magic while it is already there, why is it more compelling to talk with a crystal ball than a smartphone?

>>15579865
>>15580340
Really depends on what's meant by "magic," as there are several competing definitions. One school of thought is just that magic is the unexplainable manifestation of the will: "It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit." It definitionaly defies reason.
But even many old traditional depictions of magic have rules. You have to say the right magic words; you have use the right kind of wand. As soon as you impose rules, you impose reason, and you open up the subject to literal scientific inquiry. I love pic related because it depicts a universe where the rules to use magic are understood well enough that they're explicitly studied as a science.

If we seriously consider an alternate universe where magic is possible, it immediately invokes the scientific method to test it's limits. For example, if you can levitate an object by pointing at it and saying "Abra Cadabra," what are the restrictions? How much does pronunciation matter? If you get an Arab/African/Chinese/Russia/English/etc. person with varying levels of thick accents, how does that effect the efficacy of the spell? What difference does shouting vs. whispering make? What if you mouth the words instead of saying them? What if you put a sheet of cardboard between your finger and the object? Glass? Lead?
I like to joke that in the Dungeons and Dragons world, one can empirically verify whether or not a taco is a sandwich. In DnD, spells have "material components" like eye of newt, or dragon bones, or whatever. If a spell requires a sandwich, try casting it with a taco and see if it works.

But then again, if in its respective universe magic is instead called science, then maybe 'magic' is a hypothetical science that by definition doesn't work. Then 'magic' necessarily isn't real.
This whole line of thought also invokes the question of whether or not different universes with different laws of nature are even possible.

>>15581971
It's wish fulfillment. Consider what I already said in >>15582036
If those same people instead lived in Harry Potter world, they'd still have to go to wizard school, learn, and put effort into what they wanted to accomplish. The appeal is the extent to which magic breaks down barriers so they don't have to try as hard. Or to solve problems that real science still hasn't been able to.

>>15580340
I can make you taste something you havent even eaten by eating it then farting in your moujth.

>>15581971
your cellphone has crystals in it, it literally is a crystal ball

The crystals in your phone or computer are the same as the ones in a quartz watch. They provide the clock speed for the processor. The MEMS are Micro Electro Mechanical System

I solved your magic, where is my sword?

>>15582036
The magic/physics in Dungeons & Dragons is game-ish to the point where it is essentially/intentionally a game-simulation. The fourth wall is broken not too frequently.

The chemistry and parameters of spells are also forced: You can only shoot [Fireball] one specific way, no improvisation/innovation allowed, and you can’t use it to safely light a cigarette or just a campfire. Imagine if gunpowder could only be used in some specific shape/size of barrel made of some specific material, and only with the same specific amount (plus a pinch of bat crap), no more, no less. Oh, and also some words. It’s like pressing an invisible button on an invisible machine ingrained into the world.

The setting even plays with this in the form of factions like the Harpers, who go out of their way to prevent things like firearms or typewriters. The setting WANTS you to use its artificially enforced physics/magic. You’re part of the stage/game.

>>15582119
Sounds like you played with a bunch of geeks.
My character was Ragnar the Hung. His exploits were so legendary that I routinely slayed pussy trolls because of him.
Yes, he used guns. No, they weren't those gay dwarven muskets and they weren't even modern. It was from a spacecraft crash site and it was booty from seducing a tentacle chick. Everyone was using their gay spells and Ragnar was packing a literal rail gun and cool alien space guns as well. He had navigation, orbital strike, and drone perks so all dungeons were fully revealed including all enemies, abilities, strengths, and weaknesses.
One fag tries to have an ogre smash a drone and I adlibbed the adamantium shell capable of sustaining entry into far more dangerous environments than the surface of the earth. He started crying and ran out of the room.
D&D is about asserting dominance, not some gay dice game or roleplay, and certainly not about some whackass stat grind.

>>15582036
>anime image
Argument invalidated
Not reading

>>15582080
No it’s a crystal square retard

>>15580340
this is an extremely modern definition of magic

>>15579865
dumb shit that sounds vaguely deep

>>15582070
But I’ve eaten curry!

>>15582702
Why are you even on 4chan?