/sci/ - Science & Math

Only 2 launches in the near future with known dates, the next one after these is Antares launch at August 4th launching a Cygnus to the ISS

https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/07/booster-9-rollout-static-fire/

roundup of whats happened in the last week or so

>>15577777
Look at the subtle repetition

>>15577777

Booster 9 at rocket garden

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-launch-vandenberg-july-2023

> A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket lifts off from Vandenberg Space Force Base on July 20, 2023. (Image credit: SpaceX)

https://www.space.com/osiris-rex-sample-return-landing-practice

>>15577777
informative quints

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/rocket-report-space-force-to-pick-three-pythom-strikes-back/

Small Rockets
> Rocket Lab recovers another booster.
> Japanese rocket engine explodes in test.
> Europe's boost program having an impact.
> Canadian space agency interested in suborbital launches.
> Pythom Space is back, baby.
> UK students build a rocket engine.

Medium Rockets
> India launches lunar lander.

Heavy Rockets
> Space Force brings on third large launch provider.
> About Vulcan's upper stage failure.

>>15576168
>“Let’s say something happens,” Pentecost said. “Maybe one of the two has a grounding event and can’t fly. Maybe something happens with that company. We’ve seen some small launch companies recently go out of business. While I have no worries about our big companies, we just wanted to protect ourselves so that over these next five years, we will have three guys that we have access to to meet these critical needs.”
>“They all have plans to develop a medium-lift (vehicle)," Pentecost said, referring to the commercial US launch industry. "Everybody has determined that the small launch market isn’t where it’s at.”
Astra is already dead to them lmao

>>15577782
tldr nothing

Would it have been practically possible for the shuttle to perform orbital refuelling duties, like to a space tug? Like if they got ET and SRB production up and brought turn around time low enough. They were already on the way there before Challenger. But could they have got like once a week cadence? Was this actually possible?

>>15577809
steel plates installed, more concrete poured

>>15577806
took them a while to see that small launchers are basically pointless, other than a platform for a company to develop technology and do so with a minimum viable product (at least minimum viable engineering sample for actually getting stuff to orbit even if its not viable commercially)
SpaceX saw this like 15 years ago

https://youtu.be/2zG-ZrC4BO0

>>15577819
Is there anything more worthless than future battery tech videos on youtube? I think not.

https://twitter.com/thejackbeyer/status/1682223347336110080

> Super Heavy Booster's 33 Raptor engines. Looking so clean!

>>15577824

>>15576875
transcription of the relevant part(stolen from reddit)

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1682109433206415361

> View from Falcon 9's second stage during an orbital sunset

>>15577830
What's the pressurized volume of the HLS compared to the ISS?

>>15577849
guess how high the ceilings are and how thick the exterior walls are in HLS and it would be easy to ballpark

>>15576934
Some time after 10-20th successful landing or so.

>>15577858
They will actually scrap catching altogether and just land it normally with legs because it's unecessarily complicated, no towers on Mars, etc screencap this.

>>15577801
>pythom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ1j85VgALA
RUN.

cosy af

>>15577894
Oh nice. A desk to float things on

>>15577897
>He didn’t get the one with a built in tractor field
LMAOing @ ur life

>>15577814
I suppose you can argue that if the military wants an immediate launch anywhere from a container, that's about the only advantage of small launchers. That's the stuff that military procurement guys jizz over but never actually gets used.
>>15577821
>Is there anything more worthless
future battery tech ON THE BLOCKCHAIN
>>15577830
Awww shucks, Elon, your mom lets you have TWO airlocks?
>>15577869
The idea behind tower catch is that they won't tow it away to be refurbished and tow it back again, they will do minimal refurbishment on the stand and launch it right there.
>>15577894
Does that computer screen have an Nvidia GPU and Steam?
All you need. Except maybe a magnet to keep your mouse on the desk.

>>15577810
I would think they wouldn't have the payload capacity. The limit being like one ISS module of fuel. Maybe the better example would be the fuel, water and air they delivered to the ISS.

ndia's "Chandrayaan-3" lunar probe was launched on the 14th and soon after, problems arose. Initially, India planned the perigee to be 170 kilometers, but it turned out to be only 132 kilometers. The Karman line is at 100 kilometers, meaning if the perigee drops below 100 kilometers, it could lead to a crash.

Fortunately, on the 15th, "Chandrayaan-3" successfully completed its first orbital change, raising the perigee to 173 kilometers. But this led to another issue. Each additional orbital change implies more fuel consumption. Due to the insufficient thrust of the Indian rocket, it requires five orbital changes and over a month to send the probe to the Earth-Moon transfer orbit. In comparison, Chinese and American lunar probes only require two orbital changes, reaching the moon in just four days.

After the first orbital change, Chandrayaan-3's perigee and apogee were raised to 173 kilometers and 41,762 kilometers respectively. However, after the second orbital change, the perigee rose to 226 kilometers, but the apogee fell to 41,603 kilometers! Yesterday, Chandrayaan-3 underwent its third orbital change, and the Indian Space Research Organisation only announced its success without providing specific data. Originally, due to Chandrayaan-3's weak rocket propulsion, it required five orbital changes to reach the lunar transfer orbit. But now it seems that Chandrayaan-3 might need at least six orbital changes. It's quite possible that when Chandrayaan-3 reaches the lunar orbit, it will have exhausted its fuel.

The most critical issue with "Chandrayaan-3" is its weak engine retro-thrust. The mass of "Chandrayaan-3" at landing is close to 1 ton, which, considering the lunar gravity is a sixth of Earth's, is equivalent to 166 kilograms. The total thrust of the four main retro-thrust engines is 3200 newtons, or approximately 330 kilograms of force. This gives a thrust-to-weight ratio of 2.

ITI SAMAPTHAM

>>15577911
>Isro chairman S Somanath told TOI that LVM3 will place Chandrayaan-3 in an apogee (farthest point from Earth) of 36,500km as against 45,475km during Chandrayaan-2. The perigee (closest point to Earth) will be around 170km, nearly the same as last time. “This is being done to get more stability,” he said.

>Another scientist explained: “In Chandrayaan-2, we took the ‘burn to depletion’ — use the last drop of fuel — approach with the cryogenic upper stage to achieve high altitude. However, that creates post-launch tracking challenges given that we use international stations. So, we’ve decided to go to a definitive orbit (36,500km), making initial tracking and operations that follow more efficient.”

Too much risk avoidance old space mentaloty Sadge

>>15577897
its a spinchad station

>The Orion Spacecraft is the most advanced exploration vehicle ever built. It is an interstellar craft capable of going to multiple destinations in deep space. Here's a view of it behind the Moon

Starship bros...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYSArJ38Snc

> Booster 9 Rolled Out and Lifted onto the Launch Mount

time for 2 weeks of boring tests

>>15577979
NSF said its going to take the whole rest of the year

>>15577960
My turd is as much of an interstellar craft as this piece of junk.

>>15577979
trust the plan

>>15577960
Why didn’t they go for a more streamlined aesthetic like Dragon? Cost and performance wouldn’t be affected so why is it so ugly?

>>15577960
>this Is your dad's space capsule

https://spaceref.com/newspace-and-tech/nasa-funds-colorado-based-special-aerospace-services-for-new-astronaut-jetpack/
MMU bros...
>Now, NASA is revisiting the AMU concept, working with Colorado-based Special Aerospace Services (SAS) on an autonomous maneuvering unit (AMU) and an astronaut-assist AMU destined for “commercial in-space servicing” and “safer assembly of commercial low Earth orbit destinations, servicing, retrieval, and inspection of in-space systems,” according to an agency press release.

>>15577960
someone got the Orion capsule mixed up with Project Orion...

>>15577904
The problem with "launch in a box" is that Astra proved it's not viable with cryogenic liquid propulsion due to the setup time and network backhaul needed. At this point it's literally just easier to wait for Starship to hit weekly cadence and do spooky rideshares/spacetugs.

>>15577960
thank you gpt man

Is there any hope for Neutron?

>>15578206
commercially it's going to kick new glenns shit in

>>15578206
Are they test firing this yet? They've been unusually quiet about it

>>15577782
Whoever said NSF is saying january/february for next test was lying.

>>15578215
my bet is on April so nsf is wrong regardless

>>15578216
Why would SpaceX have to do 8 months of testing for B9? B7 only had so much testing time because A: it was the first time they were preparing a booster for flight, B: the raptors were early gen R2s, and C: the explosion in july of last year

>>15578206
Hope that Starship doesn't start flying before it.

>>15578218
I'm doing it so that when I'm wrong, I'll be happy they beat my expectations and you'll be happy because you get to "dunk" on me

>>15578206
For a so-called megaconstellation launcher, it shows an impressive disregard for economies of scale.
Its success against MLV and Terran in particular comes down to who's reliably flying first more than anything. So far they're not off to a good start.

>>15578223
Tim Ellis dropped 3d printed tanks for Terran R, Peter Beck should have dropped carbon fiber. He's not as smart as we thought

>>15578206
depends on execution mostly I think, I don't think the costs are that massively different (like multiple times worse) and if its like 20% more costly, that might not matter too much

It will explode. Starship will never work

>>15578226
Solid carbon fiber as a solution for TPS and landing legs is genuinely interesting. Proonting metal is mostly useful for things you can't cut or weld easily, like engines. Delphin and Rutherford are genuinely interesting designs. I suspect Archimedes will also have proonted cooling channels.

>>15578215
that sounded extremely weird but for some reason I believed it too (believed NSF thought that, not that the testing would actually take 4 months)

>>15578218
D:

>>15578235
more like genuinely retarded. and all modern rocket engines are mostly printed, that's not special

>>15578238
ppl forget that sn8 legally wasnt allowed to fly and they did it anyway lmao

what if starship does work and they fly people around to the moon and Mars and stuff and replaces air travel like its been proposed to do wouldn't that be cool

>>15578242

>>15578245
but it doesnt work

>>15578250
*yet

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1682459952789741568
Soon

>>15578262
space is literally BUILT for bsc (big starship cock)

>>15578257
it will never work, musk is a known scammer

>>15577655
SpaceX doesn't hire immigrants. they've been sued for hiring discrimination against non born-in-america citizens at least once if not twice and I think they managed to skate using the ITAR justification. Yeah ITAR itself doesn't really work for preventing IP theft, but if SX uses it as an excuse to not hire foreign borns then that does work, especially as the first line of defense.

>>15578220
not trying to "dunk" on you (i'm not a redditor), just can't for the life of me think of a reason why it'd take SpaceX 8 months to test B9 unless they intentionally detonated it on the launch pad or something

>>15577979
Gonna be testing for 3 days straight. And the tests are interesting/dangerous enough that they're gonna shut down a beach.

>>15578302
>3 days straight
I don't think that's what it means

>>15578302
they cant test this, the pad isnt even close to done

>>15578302
pneumatic testing + backup days. you're an insufferable newfag or a baiting fag

>>15578297
For the unaware, there's a difference between naturalized citizens and resident aliens and ITAR very much discriminates against them

It was only VERY recently (late last year) that State thought to make an exception for dual citizens

>>15577960
who the fuck wrote that?

>>15578322
chatgpt obviously

>>15578310
Yup, you need to be a citizen or lawful permanent resident (green card) for ITAR. No H1Bs.

>>15578235
carbon fiber is even more heat sensitive than aluminum, and that's still true when using special high-temp epoxies. they're gonna have to stage earlier than falcon does to avoid reentry heating melting their shit.

eric bergo admited on meco the be4 explo is a nothing burgo

Is there a good rule of thumb for ordering your solar panels and radiators? Pic looks like Starship but really I'm wondering about giant space tugs or meme space battleships with nuclear reactors or something. Presumably radiators go in the back, toward your engines. Or does it not matter

>>15578308
its very close to done dude

>>15578339
probably doesnt matter too much
maybe you need a bit less heat shielding in A (from very hot heat transfer pipes so the crew doesnt cook)

>>15578339
How the fuck do radiators in space even work, now that you mention it

>>15578345
They radiate heat into vacuum.

>>15578345
they radiate heat away
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan%E2%80%93Boltzmann_law

>>15578345
If it helps, think of them as infrared lightbulbs

>>15578347
Do they have a working fluid that pumps through the entire ship like arteries or something? I’m not sure how normal radiators on earth work either so sorry in advanced lol

>>15578356
the ISS has both passive cooling with heat pipes (like in a PC) and different liquids like ammonia and water
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_Active_Thermal_Control_System

so I guess it would depend on how much cooling is needed, are passive heatpipes enough

>>15578339
Based on my PhD in reading the Atomic Rockets website you'd need separate high temperature radiators for nuclear engines and low temperature radiators for your propellant cryocoolers and crew cabin. For Starship the radiators and solar panels probably both portrude from the payload section since the tank section needs to optimize for volume.

>>15578356
Radiators on Earth have working fluid. Think of steam radiators for heating your house, or coolant loops in your car's engine.

Neat info from L2 regarding Starship
>Many of the 8 failed raptors on IFT-1 were due to a fire in the engine bay, not necessarily reliability issues with all of them
>Engine fire issue should be fixed with increased shielding; one failure won’t take out several
>SpaceX aiming for August launch
>There is a chance Booster 9 goes straight into the 33 engine static fire instead of working up to it like B7 did
>Spin prime and static fire NET next week
>NASA HLS team has been spending their weekends in Starbase

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/21/amazon-kuiper-to-build-satellite-prep-facility-in-florida.html

>>15578376
> “We’re going to finish construction at the end of 2024. We’ll be processing our first production satellites through this facility in early 2025,” Steve Metayer, Amazon’s vice president of Kuiper production operations, told CNBC.

> According to Metayer, Amazon still plans to fly the prototypes on the inaugural launch of ULA’s Vulcan rocket, which was recently delayed to the fourth quarter. Although Amazon “can work with” the new Vulcan timeline, Metayer said the company is “looking at all options available to us to get the prototypes up in a timely manner.”

so amazon might actually launch the prototypes with a Falcon 9?
lmao

>>15578375
I always bash these predictions but these mostly sound realistic. A static fire by next week would be insane and I personally don’t see it happening

>>15578375
so 2 weeks? August would mean max 5 weeks

>>15578381
Agreed but still neat. If they go straight into the 33 engine static fire, that would be insane. Perhaps too risky but whatever.

>>15578376
>>15578379
Pretty good cost and facility size. Not too big, not too expensive. Still not sure who their target audience with these satellites are though. I think it will be a huge money pit for Amazon

>>15578381
why? Just finish up the pad and then fire it up
yolo

How the fuck will this not crumple at Max Q, let alone on the pad?

>>15578384
Yup but at the same time I can see how it could be a risk worth taking. If it’s too ambitious and B9 breaks, it’s not like it holds up the program.
Also interested in this ‘engine bay fire’ prediction. I wonder if these new stainless steel covers will do the trick. Or if each raptor will end up needing a thermal tile diaper like SLS got after it caught ablaze during the green run

https://payloadspace.com/fusion-investment-rises-space-propulsion-a-key-focus-area/

> “Investors see that fusion is moving from the scientific lab, national labs, and universities into the marketplace,” FIA’s CEO Andrew Holland told Payload. “It’s becoming something that is on a commercially-relevant timescale that investors see as a way to make money.”

the participants for the survey in the picture are fusion startups/companies

>>15578385
I think its just a direct competitor to Starlink
in some congested areas they might not even have direct competition allthough the plans for Starlinks final constellation are pretty big so maybe not

>>15578392
*thermal BLANKET
not thermal tile
>>15578386
I can imagine it being done technically, if Elon really wanted to. I guess what I was trying to say was “They can do it but I still don’t think it will happen”. Why do I think this? Idk, I guess only because things seem slow right now

>>15578389
the spots with no holes have reinforcements

https://payloadspace.com/house-approves-faa-reauthorization-bill/

> The bill would authorize $10M annually from fiscal 2024 through 2028 for the FAA to quickly develop ways to share data in near-real time, allowing commercial air traffic and space launches to more seamlessly share the airspace. Congress is asking the FAA to have this improved system in place by the end of 2026.

> The bill would require the transportation secretary to begin tracking commercial space statistics the same way the department currently tracks commercial air travel. Specifically, the department would need to collect and disseminate data on the number of:
> - Authorized launches and re-entries
> - Space flight participants, and
> - Payloads launched, plus their mass

https://spacenews.com/first-astranis-satellite-sidelined-by-post-deployment-glitch/

> Gedmark said he is unwilling to give technical details about the component issue because it is one of a small portion of spacecraft parts it does not build in-house.

> He also declined to discuss the component’s provider, flight history, or whether the issue is covered by the insurance the company took out on the satellite, designed to provide 7.5 gigabits per second (Gbps) of throughput in Ka-band.

>>15578410
Woah kino, raptors illuminated by a spotlight

>>15578411
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/21/astranis-alaska-internet-satellite-malfunctions-backup-planned.html

> The company’s Arcturus satellite suffered an issue with both its solar arrays, the company said. The problem “first showed up a couple weeks ago,” Astranis CEO John Gedmark told CNBC. On Monday the company identified the root cause, which was solar array drive assembly made by a vendor and not by Astranis.

>“Solar array drives are motors that rotate the solar arrays to make sure they’re always pointed at the sun, and they go transmit that power back into the spacecraft. So if they stop responding and stop rotating ... you don’t end up getting the full power that you need,” Gedmark said.

>The lack of power from the solar arrays means that its broadband communications “cannot operate at full capacity,” Gedmark said, but Astranis has identified the issue and knows how to fix it on future satellites.

>>15578417
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/a-promising-internet-satellite-is-rendered-useless-by-power-supply-issues/

> "The Astranis engineering team has been doing an incredible job working around the clock to troubleshoot the issue," Gedmark said. "We have now reproduced the problem on the ground in a vacuum chamber, zeroed in on the exact source of the failure, and know how to fix it for future spacecraft. Because this failure occurred within the internal workings of a component supplied by an external vendor, we’re not in a position to go into the full technical details."

>"This is a frustrating situation—the Arcturus spacecraft is in a safe state and fully under our control, the payload and our other Astranis in-house designed components are all working perfectly, and the tanks are fueled for years of on-orbit operation," he said. "But unless something major changes, the mission of providing Internet connectivity in Alaska will be delayed."

>>15578368
Interesting, two sets of radiators.
Do you know anything about solar panels? I guess the optimal position would be towards the back because your engines are probably facing the sun a majority of the time. You don’t want shadows from your own ship decreasing your energy production

>>15578423
The classic solution is to put your solar panels and radiators in a cross shape

>>15578423
Wait jk Im an idiot. In this scenario it has a nuclear reactor. If it had any solar panels (auxiliary power or something) it wouldn’t matter where they are stuck on

Is it even possible for amazon to launch required number of satellites before deadline?

>>15578516
If theyre not using Falcon, you better start doubtin'.

>>15578389
why dont they make the vent grills fat enough to put stringers on them

>>15578410
>>15578413
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1682482786782040065

the tweet these are from

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1682497784568479744

> Next Starship prototype

ARTEMIS BASE CAMP PHOTOS

https://twitter.com/NASA_Marshall/status/1682449117224620040
OUR dream house can travel through space!

A team of engineers at #NASAMarshall leads @NASA's formulation and development of future space homes (aka exploration habitats). These habitats will support long-duration stays on the @NASAMoon
and eventual missions to @NASAMars
.

>>15578581
>Inflatables

https://twitter.com/SenBillNelson/status/1682404336003842051

>>15578581
Just realized this what the proposed design for a NASA NTP ship was with the 4 big radiators

I guess an inflatable module strapped to NTP will be the interplanetary meta in the 2030s?

https://twitter.com/NASAJPL/status/1682416562660311042

>Back at it!

>The #MarsHelicopter is gearing up for Flight 53. Ingenuity will take to the Martian skies no earlier than July 22, and is expected to fly 666 ft (203 meters) north for 137 seconds. http://go.nasa.go /43zxN6T

>>15578581
Imagine getting out of a Starship to live in that cuckshed.

https://twitter.com/MarsCuriosity/status/1682434038483779586

> One of your favorite Martians is turning 11 soon!

> My landiversary is on August 5. If you could send a gift all the way out here on Mars, what would you send me? Photos encouraged!

>>15578588
You mean NEP.

>>15578590
Sorry NASA dudes you can go live in the cuckshed, you can come over for drinks from the bar on Fridays though.

If NASA can barely fund Artemis now without killing every other project they have, I really doubt the NTP ship will ever be fully produced. It will also be like 10+x the cost of Artemis, but atleast it wont be what they have now.

>>15578602
It'll happen, they'll just have to save for a decade plus

>>15578607
Lol. Emphasis on the plus. I think late 2040s-mid 2050s is when we'd see anything like it.

>>15578611
The alternative is that peculiar-to-NASA thing they do where they pretend they can spend ten or so million a year on it as if they're amortizing the cost, but the storage and maintenance on what they've built ends up costing more than the project

>>15578584
every render should have starship HLS next to it so the public knows this is another season of that show you're 100% sure is cancelled but they haven't announced it yet

>>15578375
>Many of the 8 failed raptors on IFT-1 were due to a fire in the engine bay, not necessarily reliability issues with all of them
this

tesla's are a fucking joke

>>15578585
didn't know nelson was an "a man" truther, based

>>15578699
you're seething tranny

>>15578345
Hijacking this to ask what /direction/ are radiators supposed to face? Should they orient to have one side facing the sun and one side in shadow? Or parallel to the sun? Cause if you are radiating heat away you should reduce the amount of incoming radiation from the sun right?

>>15577960
Surely it's interplanetary, not interstellar, since presumably it's not traveling to another star.

>>15578413
A literal divine machine

with radiator suggestions

>>15578717
In such a way they don't radiate heat back into the station

Even so, there are periods where the station basically has to go dark because the radiators can't operate in full sunlight because it's shining almost directly down on the radiators

MOL

I don't care what anybody says about it's economic viability or safety, the Space Shuttle was an amazing technological achievement and should be honored as such.

>>15578766
No

>>15578766

>>15578728
Wow, what a great photo. Let me make it even better

>>15577766
you guy ever find any cool amature videos? Found this today and thought it was pretty cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XhUIRY6o74

>nuclear power for the moon base is kill
>mars sample return is kill
>sls tower is overfunded and will receive even more funding
you think this shit will keep happening once china starts landing people on the moon?

>>15578339
Neither, you want your radiators perpendicular to the solar panels so both sides can radiate. In either of the shown configurations one side of the radiators is going to be in the sun. See how the radiators of the ISS are in a perpendicular plane to the solar panels.

2 hours apart

coming wednesday

Will one be moved back? Or will we get back 2 back launches on the same day?

>>15578844
sure, it's happened before

>>15578385
Amazon is one of the largest organizations in the world with a desire to expand even further. The biggest customer for Kuiper is themselves. Warehouses, fulfillment centers, cargo airplanes (Prime Air), ocean ships, off-grid backup for primary offices, main backhaul for new offices and warehouses in places without existing fiber... that's a customer base of about a million people with zero external sales. Then there's AWS. If you're a company with services on AWS, having Kuiper backhaul ground stations wired straight into the AWS regions by direct fiber links could save you an assload of latency and (depending on pricing) money.

At that point selling to the federal government as a "second source" of LEO satcom and providing connectivity to Blue Origin would keep Kuiper well in the black. They don't need to steal consumer ISP marketshare from Starlink.

t. former AWS SDE

They hung up lights around Booster 9. Awww

>>15578844
Man I just remembered that one time a few months ago when a (eventually-scrubbed) launch stream started just as the last one was wrapping up.

>>15578860
If they had balls, they would use the same stream

>>15578853
I know what I'd call that bar

Last Bar On Earth

Taco Bells on mars

>>15578853
The lights were there before the booster was. They've also taken them down, or at least shut them off now.

https://twitter.com/KenKirtland17/status/1682537451456266242/

>>15578933
B-b-but ELON TIME!!!

>>15578847
Huh. I'm inclined to take Kuiper alot more seriously now

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1662263704262680577

6 days short of 2 months ago Elon said it would take a month to repair the pad and another month to test the rocket.
If a month of pad repair elon time is the same length as a month of rocket testing elon time we should expect ift 2 around september 14th

>>15579051
SN25 is done testing. The pad will be finished this coming week, and then they can test Booster 9. All they really need to do is cryo, spin prime, then SF. After that, it's on the FAA.

>>15579035
Amazon senior management might be suffering from Seattle brain rot but they're not fundamentally idiots. Kuiper is WAAAAY too much money to spend on something just to spite Elon, especially now that jeffypoo has retired.

>>15578933
The SLS is delusional.
2018 was in fact not the first launch target.

I didn't know HLS parts were spotted and speculative renders were available. This is also fits what that guy on stage said recently.

A big ass garage to keep equipment and samples makes real work possible on the moon. The other landers look like the most science you can do is grab some rocks and climb back in like we already did 50 years ago. Can't wait to see the habitat.

Also fuck that reddit/L2 shit a while back that said the HLS interior would be dissapointingly small. It's fuckhuge for just a lander. Also with only two decks the thing can be a giant fuel tank and I'm not even sure nasa can afford enough missions to use all the fuel in this thing before it's replaced by the next idea.

>>15579104
>garage is umpressurized
i didn't realize. makes sense I guess

>>15579104
gee billy, TWO staging rooms?

>>15579104
I wonder if the elevator will be automated. I can't imagine that they don't have a test article on the first HLS lander to go down to prove to NASA it won't just explode or whatever it is they want to see.

>>15579103
and starship first orbital launch target was summer 2020

>>15579059
Exactly. The FAA will delay until April 2024, just like they delayed OFT1 for 2 years

>>15579131
>can't imagine that they don't have a test article on the first HLS lander
What do you mean? The first contracted landing is an unmanned test.

>>15579117
redundancy and lunar evas are in pairs, so you dont have to suit up one at a time. Also nice to have an entire dragon sized room to yourself to fuck with the suit. Don't know if suitports will happen. Somebody that's not spacex might not be done in time.

>>15579131
>I wonder if the elevator will be automated

Of course it will, it's simple as fuck to automate too. One of the least complex systems on board probably, a few extendable rails and a platform on a couple of electric winches.

>>15579147
>suitports
I dislike these, they're so redditine.

So why aren't Saturn V, Shuttle, SLS, etc classified as private/commercial rockets? Each stage was built by a private company. How is this different to how SpaceX does it?

>>15578588
No, it'll be used by NASA and a few governments maybe, but not the majority of interplanetary traffic, as Nuclear is far more expensive and has far more regulations then chemical.

>>15579157
look at the 126 foot dotted line it can't be done. Do you know what the darkness of space does to elevators? Do you? Huh? Huh? Thought so

>>15578728
source?

>>15579164
Suit ports are currently the best way to deal with lunar dust

>Guys are going to be sent to the moon to inspire people and nake art
>Nearly everytime I go into a comment section on a post mentioning the mission people hope they die on launch or in space
Jesus redditors are bloodthirsty. I also read a comment about this mission being an example of american inequality even though it was funded by a japanese billionaire lmao.

>>15579165
I don't know shit about shit but I think nasa designed the rockets in those cases.

It's a dumb distinction. People that hate private space don't stop and think about how the government doesn't have factories and will always be just a customer on a major level.

>>15579164
Just walking in and out of the airlock and unzipping sounds simple and looks like your sci-fi movies until there's lunar dust everywhere they won't fuck off

>>15579172
redditors are largely marxists who see private space exploration as an extension of capitalism and western colonialism, so they hate it

>>15579189
>private space exploration as an extension of capitalism and western colonialism
which is what it is but that doesn't make it inherently bad.

>>15579172
Wait until you find out thay reddit is largely bot accounts used to shape public opinion

>>15579191
Man I miss when reddit was all "waw rockets that land by themselves so cool!" Where did it all go wrong?

>>15579191
White people bad
Rich people bad
Elon man bad
etc

>>15579200
They turned on him when he told the commiefornia dickheads to get bent over their insane covid bullshit. This conflicted with their fear based mind control programming.

>>15579170
>>15579181
Not a problem when you have an entire deck to work with, just hose yourself down.

>>15578834
Yes

>>15579164
>redditine
You people make me wish an asteroid would destroy this planet sometimes. Or better yet, some form of modern civilization ending solar flare so that you couldn't keep living the way you've been allowed to.

>>15579224
With what? Water, in a vacuum, in a place where water is a critical resource no matter your payload capacity? Compressed air, which will cover every single surface in the payload bay in abrasive dust?

>>15579230
Suitports are pure reddit and so is your wish for civilizational destruction.

>>15579191
exactly. it is, and that is why its good. i want western civilization to expand to the stars

>>15579230
Reddit moment

>>15579234
Liquid nitrogen. Completely harmless if you're quick, and evaporates promptly and can go back into circulation.

>>15579239
Suitports for soft suits are gay. Suitports for powered mecha are epic.

>>15579234
>Water, in a vacuum, in a place where water is a critical resource no matter your payload capacity?

In this scenario the payload bay is pressurised and its hardly like its a one off resource. Hose yourself off, contaminated water goes down drainpipes, you have gravity in this scenario so it can drain into a big tank where the sediment settles at the bottom and you draw from the top of the tank when you need another wash. Along with avoiding the need for redditports this will keep the suits in better condition for a lot lot longer if they are regularly cleaned and not permanently caked in razor dust.

>>15579245
Delusional. They'll use compressed air inside the airlock that gets recycled and the dust will be contained there.

>>15579259
>the sediment settles at the bottom
There's absolutely zero evidence that lunar dust works this way

>>15579259
>keep the suits in better condition for a lot lot longer if they are regularly cleaned and not permanently caked in razor dust.
Suits are intended to be an expendable resource

>>15579262
It's a particle with more mass than water, it will settle at the bottom in gravity. Moron.

>>15579262
It's made of sapphire (Al2O3). It's not going to float.

>>15579268
Die, e*rther

>>15579259
>Hose yourself off, contaminated water goes down drainpipes

???? this isnt a house wtf lmao. Everything ends up somewhere and you have to deal with it

>>15579259
I wonder if you could vibrate dust off the suits in the suit ports.

>>15579286
Where did you learn to read ape monkey nigger?

>>15578790
I spent at least 2 minutes looking for saddam hussein before I noticed the logo on the original

>>15579292
Yeah you have a tank that fills with dirt and water because ????????.

>>15579295
You're retarded and can't even understand the basic premise.

>>15579300
Oh right, the premise is avoid redditports and not tanks of dirt and water that don't help

>>15579286
>Everything ends up somewhere and you have to deal with it
Exactly, same with waste water in general. Nobody wants to deal with that gross stuff. So there will be shitting ports - you just press your ass to the port and the shit gets forced right out onto the lunar surface where it belongs.

>>15579304
The premise is to keep your suits clean so they don't fail unpredictably. Not leave them covered int jagged dust like some pissbottle hoarder.

>>15579306
That's not an example of the same problem though just because it's another dirty thing. The problem with lunar dirt without suitports is you are bringing problem material into the habitat and now you need to design and add a system to contain it, move it, and maybe remove it. The problem with shit is material that's already in the habitat but it's no longer in a useful form. You can also just keep the dirt out. You can't keep food out.

>>15579170
lunar dust is a completely bullshit made up problem

>>15579200
>Where did it all go wrong?
When Occupy Wall Street got taken over by literal fucking communists armed with "critical theory".

>>15579311
Using water to clean them sounds like the worst way to do it. There are better ideas on wikipedia that have probably been written there a long time

Also another thing I don't want is a wet space suit becoming an icey space suit. Holy shit

>>15579335
or a flash to steam space suit

>>15579335
>using a neutral medium that you can recycle through simple sedimentary settlement is the worst way to do it.

OK, also how is your space suit going to freeze when you are spray warm water on it inside a comfortable temperature room. Take your meds.

>>15579347
When you walk outside when it's wet. Now you have a dry the spacesuit completely. Any moisture in crevaces could be more dangerous that the dust in crevaces.

>neutral medium
Is this what you think smart people say?

>>15579347
Ok what happens at nighttime, retard. 30 days of night on the moon.

>>15579355
prepare a fire

>>15579354
drying clothing is not a hard problem

>>15579354
>When you walk outside when it's wet

You wash it and dry it when you come back inside retard. The rest of your post is nonsensical and you can't even spell simple words. Kill yourself.

>>15579355
>what happens at night time

You know that heat REJECTION is a problem in a vacuum right? The suit will not be cold.

>>15579347
>The principles of astronautical hygiene should be used to assess the risks of exposure to lunar dust during exploration on the Moon's surface and thereby determine the most appropriate measures to control exposure. These may include removing the spacesuit in a three-stage airlock, "vacuuming" the suit with a magnet[20] before removal, and using local exhaust ventilation with a high-efficiency particulate filter to remove dust from the spacecraft's atmosphere.[21]

I'd rather my job be to take an air filter outside and beat the dust out of it than fuck with some sludge tank that is now full of moon mud

>>15579362
If there's even a micron of water adhering in a crevice on your suit you will literally explode when you hit hard vaccuum

>>15579358
>>15579362

Yeah just throw it in the dryer bro

>>15579367
You don't seem to grasp how absurdly large Starship is.

>>15579362
>You know that heat REJECTION is a problem in a vacuum right? The suit will not be cold.

Wait so you want us to dry a space suit in an environment we are trying to stop from overheating

>>15579363
How long is your exhaust system going to last with razor dust going through it? Multi stage complex system vs wash shit down a drain and let sediment settle. Actually you should work for NASA, you'll fit right in.

>>15579367
You could simply point a warm fan at the suit and it would be dry quickly. But hey since we have a thousand cubic metres to play with, sure, why not put in a big suit dryer?

>>15579372
What are you even talking about.

>>15579172
>redditors
these guys are the worst modern self-proclaimed artists money can buy, I hope that thing blows up on the pad

>>15579382
I want them to die but starship blowing up would be bad for business.

>>15579377
The moon is 250 degrees F in the sun and -208 degrees at night. The spacecraft as a similar albedo to the surface except more reflective, so you can ballpark how hot and cold the ship is trying to get. They're trying to keep the habitat at a survivable temperature as efficiently as possible and you want a space heater to dry a suit to perfection to avoid redditports

>>15579401
How are you going to maintain your suits if you won't take them inside and clean them? Just let them wear out covered in dust?

>>15579377
>How long is your exhaust system going to last with razor dust going through it? Multi stage complex system vs wash shit down a drain and let sediment settle. Actually you should work for NASA, you'll fit right in.

Filters are lightweight that can be stocked if their life is limited. You will have to have them anyway because some lunar dust in the airlock is inevitable even with washing.

How am I supposed to remove mud from the water tank and keep the water? Do I need to do that? Do we make the tank so big that it can just fill up with mud for the service life of the lander? Do we take the mud up and down to orbit every time? You're just handwaving complexity for yourself while pretending air filtration doesnt work and isn't needed already.

>>15579410
>How am I supposed to remove mud from the water tank and keep the water?
Evaporate the water from the sludge by depressurizing the tank. You then have dry dust once again which you can dump.

>>15579406
I wonder what the magnet vacuum I read about is. That would work outside the habitat

>>15579416
How would you depressurize the tank in your nasa interview

>>15579165
In the US, the distinction between public and private construction is largely semantic. A public rocket is built to government specification as a work-for-hire arrangement. This is kind of silly to emphasize because the contractors then turn around and do all the design work themselves and end up with a rocket they built that meets the requirements. It's further complicated by NASA leasing out its facilities to its contractors -- the SLS is assembled in Michoud by contractors for instance. A private rocket is built independent of these concerns and has its own specifications depending on the company's goals. These are then provided to the government (not for sale -- these rockets are owned by the company) as a service to take payloads where the customer wants them to go. The line gets blurred when you're talking about specific regulations the government puts on rockets: for example, NASA famously has very strict criteria for any vehicle that it uses to put humans in space, and these criteria are what private industry must abide by to sell transport services to NASA. In the end NASA gets the rocket it wants even though it wasn't formally involved in the specifications phase of the rocket.

In other countries it's a bit more direct: a government rocket is manufactured by state-owned entities and a private one is not.

>>15579426
With a pump

>>15579420
>>15579416
>depressurization
>magnet vacuum

>>15579444
Watching it on youtube, it's real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k9wIsKKgqo&t=740s

They just made a suit that repels dusts though. So you may not even need a gizmo that attracts it.

So if the suit is mostly clean, just use a suitport to keep the atmosphere clean too.

>>15579467
>suitports dangling off the side of Starship or tracking regolith inside

>>15579467
>on youtube
>it's real
choose one. youtube is a propaganda distribution website

>>15579486
the garage is depressurized, the redditports are going where the airlocks are. >>15579104

It's a done deal

>>15579498
kek

>>15579498
You couldn't even catch the one in the second sentence

>>15579510
fixed

>>15578376
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/amazon-is-getting-ready-to-launch-a-lot-of-broadband-satellites/

> Last year, Amazon signed the largest commercial launch contract in history, snatching up rides on ULA's new Vulcan rocket, Blue Origin's New Glenn, and Arianespace's Ariane 6 launcher. All told, Amazon has purchased 77 launches: 38 Vulcan launches, plus nine flights on ULA's soon-to-retire Atlas V, 18 Ariane 6 rockets, and 12 New Glenn missions, with a contract option for 15 more.

> That will cover Kuiper's launch service needs for its 3,200 satellites. But all those rockets, except for the Atlas V, are still in development. ULA's Vulcan appears like it will fly first of Amazon's crop of launch vehicles, probably followed by the European-built Ariane 6, and then Blue Origin's New Glenn.

> He said the plan to launch the first two Kuiper testbeds on the inaugural Vulcan rocket remains the company's "plan of record." But Metayer added: "Obviously, we’re always working with our partners to find other options.”

>One of those alternatives, an Amazon official said, may be to move the two Kuiper prototypes to one of the Atlas V rockets Amazon has already booked. ULA has several Atlas Vs already delivered to Cape Canaveral, and those rockets are awaiting future missions.

more info on a arstechnica article, might use Atlas V (another ULA rocket), not Falcon 9
but after the 77 launches, spacex isn't completely ruled out

> “We will have a lot of launch appetite for a long time," a Project Kuiper official said, adding that Amazon wouldn't rule out launching with SpaceX or another company in the future. "We have the first 77 covered. There will be more after that. We’re kind of looking at everybody."

>>15579520
It must be nice to be able to sell rides on a vehicles that doesn't exist

>driving down the highway about 9:00 PM. A few days ago here in Southern California
>get to the top of a pass and have a view down into Simi Valley below
>all of a sudden a great orange light appears on the horizon
>unmistakably the first stage of a Falcon 9
>I used to try and catch all of the launches out of Vandenberg from the roof so I recognize it
>at full power this thing is bright like a meteor
>it leaves behind a little column of cloud in its wake
>it throttles down a bit
>goes dark briefly
>another little cloud emitted but dark and ovioid
>second stage fires up
>at first its just a little point of light
>eventually it morphs into this beautiful three lobed soft blue glowing cloud
>the rocket engine is slowly growing to become a great beam of bluish light as the cloud glows larger
>looks absolutely amazing
>as the craft moves downrange it becomes harder to observe but at this point its just a tiny point of light

Shit was so cash

>check zubrin's twitter after logging in for the first time this year
>he's still ranting about russia and ukraine
i dont want to get old bros. is this what we're destined to become?

>>15577845
the bell is kinda oscillating bros

>>15579597
Mini starship unbeliever hands typed this post.

>>15577960
They must have loaded an Orion capsule into the Fusion Ship III and done a micro-nuclear explosive series of warp jumps into either a wormhole or some other region in interstellar space maybe a few light years away from Earth and utilized it out there, thats the only way I can imagine it was used in an “interstellar”’fashion, although I do like that movie a lot.

If you're new to tankwatching, you need to understand this: B9 has at least 6 months of testing, assuming nothing explodes or the downcomer collapses again. more likely it will be well into Q2 2024 before it launches, if they dont scrap it before then. FAA approval likely won't come until january at the earliest (that's what you can expect if you keep blowing up rockets and endangering the public/wildlife)

>>15579608
W R O N G
R
O
N
G

also you are gay

>>15579608
As a fellow Texas Bidet Watcher, I can't tell you how refreshing it is to see facts being posted on this forum.

>>15579608
Total wildlife death
Total public death
Dropkick a thousand tonnes of methalox onto FAA headquarters

>>15579613
the denial is strong with this one. you will learn. you will be spanked and learn

>>15579608
>B9 has at least 6 months of testing, assuming nothing explodes or the downcomer collapses again.
Source: your ass. They aren't dialing in what they want the basic system to do this time.

>>15579644
actually my source is 5 years of tankwatching experience and a lifetime of Elon timelines

>>15579650
I remember when this general used to have half decent bait instead of ESL garbage and unintelligible replies.

>>15579644
They completely redesigned the pad and rocket so no, they still havent solved the basics

>>15579655
Yeah, still trying to translate this to intelligible English >>15579644

Thanks to this leaked pic, it's pretty much curtains for Booster 9, unless SpaceX excise the downcomer and weld in a new one, which is unlikely due to how far along Booster 10 is now.

For anyone wondering, yes, that's the downcomer, and yes, it's meant to be a cylinder :(

>>15579665
For any clueless newbies, that was the downcomer on Booster 7 after one of the pre-static-fire tests.

>>15579656
>Completely redesigned
lol

While USA space sector concerns with black dogs, China beats them to space with clean methane rocket

Baiting ESl trannies

>>15579670
?

>>15579685
The engineering for the deluge plate predates flight 1. It's a weird system, but it looks like it at least mostly worked pretty much straight away.

>>15579060
Still sounds a lot to me like the UK buying up a satellite constellation so they can have their own GPS with hookers and blackjack. And AWS/Amazon logistics isn't enough reason for making a Starlink clone, since half the point of Starlink is rural internet. A higher shell and less satellites should be good enough for that, no point in fighting for Starlink altitudes except for Musk Derangement Syndrome.

>>15579289
no.
lunar dust is the ultimate in static cling

>>15579597
its the second cold war. ukraine is our korean war. taiwan is our cuba. we even get another moon race. i guess if you survived one cold war then you're probably not too happy about having to endure another. on on positive note, maybe we'll take a real crack at SDI now that megaconstellations arent scifi.

>>15579602

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_i97rasIe4

>>15579104
The dual (redundant) airlocks that have their own pressure control and regulation systems is a big reason why NASA went with HLS Starship. Every other lander's design was basically: "you can all come in or go out, and each time, everyone has to don their suits and go through safety prep." Which burns precious oxygen and perishable stores on the lander. With HLS, what the crew does 2-3 decks above, has zero impact on what someone's doing in the elevator area, vs what someone is doing in one airlock suiting up vs someone else is doing maintenance to suits in the other air lock. That's absolutely game changing.

>>15579168
The most ridiculous part of this graphic is the implication that it will take 168 days to fill a full tanker to launch HLS Starship to the Moon once. Blue using its own expected cadence on its competitor is comedy.

https://youtu.be/0514L2QwOBE

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1682741802296655872?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>15579873
Whoops. Wonder who many bids are limited by rocket production rate. Space Sex can credibly bid for all of the launches.

>>15579878
the new launches are all going to blue origin

>>15579895
Depends on when they actually want launches to happen

Remember Starliner?

>>15579897
what’s that

https://twitter.com/WalterIsaacson/status/1682750627082915843

The folks at @SPACEdotcom
do a beautiful job covering Starship. Here from my upcoming book, https://amazon.com/Elon-Musk-Walter-Isaacson/dp/1982181281 , is a brief excerpt about Musk's emotion in April at the first test launch:
“My stomach is twisted in knots,” Musk told Mark Juncosa as they stood on the balcony atop the 265-foot-tall high-bay assembly building at Starbase. “It always happens before a big launch. I have PTSD from the failures on Kwaj.”
It was April 2023, time for the experimental launch of Starship. When he arrived in south Texas, Musk did what he often did before a major rocket launch, including his first one seventeen years earlier: he retreated into the future. He peppered Juncosa with ideas and edicts for replacing Starbase’s four football-field-size assembly tents with a mammoth factory building that could make rockets at a rate of more than one a month. They should start constructing the factory right away, along with a new village of solar-roofed homes for workers. Creating a rocket like Starship was hard, but he knew that the more important step was being able to churn it out at scale. It would eventually take a fleet of a thousand to sustain a human colony on Mars. “My biggest concern is our trajectory. Are we on a trajectory to get to Mars before civilization crumbles?”

>>15579904
When the other engineers joined them for a three-hour pre-launch review in the conference room atop the high bay, Musk gave them a pep talk. “It’s worth keeping in mind as you go through all the tribulations that the thing you’re working on is the coolest fucking thing on Earth. By a lot. What’s the second coolest? This is far cooler than whatever is the second coolest.”
The talk then turned to the topic of risk. The dozen or so regulatory agencies that had to approve the flight test did not share Musk’s love of it. The engineers briefed him on all the safety reviews and requirements they had endured. “Getting the license was existentially soul-sucking,” Juncosa said. Shana Diez and Jake McKenzie provided details. “My fucking brain is hurting,” Musk said, holding his head. “I’m trying to figure out how we get humanity to Mars with all this bullshit.”
He processed in silence for two minutes, and when he emerged from his trance, he was philosophical. “This is how civilizations decline. They quit taking risks. And when they quit taking risks, their arteries harden. Every year there are more referees and fewer doers.” That’s why America could no longer build things like high-speed rail or rockets that go to the moon. “When you’ve had success for too long, you lose the desire to take risks.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE1A6T1cycU

>>15579910
Bro you are posting an ABCs video in a general that studies the alphabet in its free time

The difference between orbit and space? About 8 km/s.

>>15579497
Kek retards like you are laughable. So, where do you get your reliable information from? You gotta believe someone or somebody.

>>15579945
Strongest marsfag

>>15579945
I took no risks in saying what I said.

Weakest Venus cloud dweller

>>15578411
>>15578417
seems like this was a cursed launch

>>15579945
i've seen xer...

>>15578829
nice find! gorgeous

Healthiest Earther

>>15579957
look at those fat stores
a good idea for long voyages

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/07/nssl-phase-three-update/

>>15579963
"more providers"
hmm
who can launch big payloads
>SpaceX
>ULA
>BO

right

irl Titan is rubbish

https://spacenews.com/galactic-energy-registers-sixth-consecutive-successful-launch/

> Ceres-1 has a diameter of 1.4 meters, a length of about 20 meters, a mass at take-off of about 33 tons and a liquid propellant upper stage. It can deliver 400 kg to LEO or 300 kg to a 500-kilometer-altitude sun-synchronous orbit (SSO).

>>15579966
china will eat spacex like delicious kung pow

>>15579873
The actual article
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/22/space-force-raises-the-stakes-in-nssl-race-for-military-launches.html
It's what everyone else has already reported on, but seven to BO vs. dozens each to ULA and SpaceX isn't too bad honestly. It keeps BO ready as a backup in case SpaceX or ULA (for a non-BE4 issue) fucks up. Of course that requires BO to actually be flying, and if not, SpaceX can easily pick up those launches.
>We’re hoping that it’s not just ULA, SpaceX and Blue Origin competing for that, as there are others who have messaged interest in the past
Who could that be? SLS? Terran R? The mysterious ABL rocket? Of course it'll be BO though in the end.

jeez imagine being the mil launch procurement guy in like 1998-2010
>mmmm yes I think this year we'll go with... ULA
>smashing choice Johnson, you've done it again

has there been any FLIGHT HARDWARE of new glenn spotted?

>>15580029
lol

>>15580018
space news version

>tip of the iceberg
bbc, cnn, fox news, etc.
>just below the surface
space.com, certain space/tech youtubers, mainstream reddits
>middle of the 'berg
spacenews, arstechnica, nsf youtube
>bottom of the 'berg
nsf forums, niche twitter accounts, /sfg/
>the deep
telegram, obscure chinese/russian forums
>the seafloor
digging through unsecured government data

>>15579763
a lot of DoD-types are quietly expecting it to go hot over taiwan, it's probably gonna be WWIII. It'd be weird if we got the great depression(2) before world war i(ii) but there's also a possibility this century is just late by a decade.
>mfw culture gets so obsessed with rebooting series that we start LARPing historical reboots

>>15580054
how would WW3 actually go? I mean that would mean nato would have to either invade russia or china or the other way around
even if there was a conflict over taiwan or another proxy war, would that boil over to WW3 with great powers actually invading each other? how does that work with nukes?

>>15580054
the great recession happened already

>taiwan war
i think starlink threw a big wrench into china's plans. taking hong kong was a bad pr situation for the mainland cuz the world could see what was happening. china wont want the same thing to happen with taiwan. china is supposed to cut off all communications to the island right away during a war, but the ukraine war has shown how hard it is to stop starlink. china will need to find a way to deal with it before they can invade the island.

>>15580018
Paperclip should be at the top but lol this is really good

>>15580052
the occasional anons who wonder into KSC or JSC and find a bunch of interesting things

>>15580052
>Under the ocean crust
Data from your homemade satellite stowed away on a falcon 9

>>15579856
>Blue
Oi, you aren't supposed to know who made that propaganda infographic! They didn't put their name on it!

nice draft lulba
this totally isn't a fucking clown show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvwF3P8eF6Q

4h until starlink launch

>>15580256
another one eh
let's see how Kuiper is doing
>

>>15580256
>literal daily starlink launches
when did this happen?

>>15580260
like a year or two ago
and I think its like every 4 days or something, not every day

https://twitter.com/WalterIsaacson/status/1682750627082915843

>The dozen or so regulatory agencies that had to approve the flight test did not share Musk’s love of it. The engineers briefed him on all the safety reviews and requirements they had endured. “Getting the license was existentially soul-sucking,” Juncosa said. Shana Diez and Jake McKenzie provided details. “My fucking brain is hurting,” Musk said, holding his head. “I’m trying to figure out how we get humanity to Mars with all this bullshit.”
> “This is how civilizations decline. They quit taking risks. And when they quit taking risks, their arteries harden. Every year there are more referees and fewer doers.” That’s why America could no longer build things like high-speed rail or rockets that go to the moon. “When you’ve had success for too long, you lose the desire to take risks.”
How come we have more referees in our society than players now? Is this the decline of our society?

>>15580266
When Nolan directs the biopic Elon will learn that line while fucking a whore

https://twitter.com/TurbulentSphere/status/1682565748844118017

>>15580308
>Location: Huntsville, Alabama
lel

https://twitter.com/ThorDeltaII/status/1682502610073288706

great fucking job universe
wow
just great

>>15580313
electromagnetism and the weak force are actually one force at high energies

>>15578410
>>15578413
we are so back, bros

>>15580313
It's complicated and ugly because the simple elegant universes don't support life

>>15580313
To simplify,

1) quarks family; make up the fundamental building blocks everything you see, they're like lego pieces, comes in various pairs
2) electrons family; they're all like electrons, tau/muon are just larger and delay rapidly into electrons or the positrons (anti-electrons)
3) bosons family; also known as forces of the universe (electrical/magnetic/gravity/mass/strong-weak force)

1) builds the stuffs we see
2) stuff that allows electromagnetic to interact with 1) stuffs
3) forces that interact with 1)

>>15580394
I saw the thread on /k/ mentioning positron propulsion. Is it possible to make it?

>>15580310
Hahahahahahaha

>>15580396
No

>>15580403
Why?

>>15578410

>>15580396
yes

>>15580434
Wow, it's so easy in rocketry.

>>15580052
NSF L2 and industry insiders should also be in the deep

>>15580462
Isn't L2 a ripoff. Never heard of a juicy leak coming out of there. So either nobody leaks or it sucks shit

>>15580266
That is definitely not what I'm hearing from the referee associations over here, rather the opposite. Nobody wants to do it because players and fans keep getting more aggressive. And in other sports there just isn't anybody and pay is essentially nonexistent.

>>15580496
>players and fans keep getting more aggressive
I wonder why? Did you ask why? Business as usual wont cut it.

>>15580496
Are you talking about sports or stretching the metaphor to talk about regulatory bodies? To torture the metaphor more, part of the problem is the number of people speaking through the megaphone that is the internet, desiring to do the job for free while neither knowing or desiring to know any of the actual rules or their purpose.

>>15580257
>be Amazon
>pick an in-development rocket to launch your first sats
>delayed and crashes on first launch
>jump to another in-development rocket
>delayed
>now considering blowing an entire Atlas V on a payload that could've been flown on a smallsat launcher
They could've just flown on Falcon, but no, "Falcon is too small"

>>15580498
>>15580506
Should've been clearer, talking about actual sports, mostly because the Anon I replied to replaced doers in the quote with players so I thought he also was referencing sports and I wanted to point out that that's not actually the case.
Personally I've fortunately been lucky and haven't had to deal with the really bad stuff, but when you hear stories about fresh new teenage refs not wanting to keep reffing because the parents at the youth matches they ref behave worse than the players it just makes you sad. Sure that kind of shit always happened, but everyone says it's getting worse lately so it's not a good trend.

>>15580525
Well, that sucks. It doesn't help that a lot of people seem to see their children and their children's achievements as accessories to themselves.

>>15580292
Fucking an endless string of BPD women is certainly a risk.

>>15580514
They're just anti-SpaceX weight blowing their money

>>15580525
>the Anon I replied to replaced doers in the quote with players so I thought he also was referencing sports
You win the autist prize for the week

>>15580615
I mean I could also talk about the metaphorical meaning but I don't want to start yet another stupid argument that goes nowhere.

>>15579979
It's gonna be a cargo SLS.

>>15579964
>SpaceX
Falcon 9, Falcon Heavy, Starship

>ULA
Vulcan

>BO
New Glenn

>Boeing
SLS

>ABL
the heavy lift rocket that they are supposedly working on according to the USSF

>Relativity
Terran R

>>15580686
Starship is unrealistic, therefore disqualified
Vulcan and New Glenn realitistic, therefore are allowed to compete

>>15580266
>America doesn't build high speed rail because it is risk adverse

This is your brain on cuck.

>>15580308
spacex stans pwnd

>>15580690
None of those rockets exist

>>15580690
I literally can't argue with that.

>>15580726
https://newatlas.com/us-air-force-blue-origin-contract/56724/

Sorry but Air Force already made their decision. New Glenn and Vulcan are real. Starship is a fantasy.

>>15580762
>in-space servicing
I bet ViaSat wished we already had that capability

https://twitter.com/SarahisCensored/status/1682768140751470593

ITS OVER!

Biden wants Musk investigated because uhh, he's not suggesting any wrong doings but saying Elon should be investigated

>>15580773
>uhhhh and uhh um and uhhhhhhh
he has such a way with words

>>15580773
this video is ancient and amounted to nothing. Joe Biden is the greatest space President since John F. Kennedy.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nvslive/albums/72177720309799969
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nvslive/albums/72177720309773495

>>15580744
Since the Air Force only has jurisdiction over the atmosphere, a suborbital rocket is exactly what they need.

>>15580804
>Since the Air Force only has jurisdiction over the atmosphere
According to who

>>15580773
what was that even a response to? Did a press member really ask joe biden about elon musk?

>>15580809
It's from last year and a result of Elon saying he was going to cut off Starlink. What's funny is that nothing came of this and we know someone (probably the DoD) picked up the tab on Starlink without ever saying as much.

>>15580807
USSF will shoot down any airforce assets that venture above the Karmam Line

>>15580804
>>15580807
The USSF is a sub branch of the USAF just as the USMC is a sub branch of the USN. Before the USSF was split off the USAF had jurisdiction over space

>>15580821
This fake disinfo. It has nothing to do with Starlink and everything to do with twitter purchase.

>https://nypost.com/2022/11/09/biden-calls-for-federal-investigation-of-elon-musk-over-relationships-with-other-countries/

>>15580830
After his purchase of twitter, all the Biden admin organizations started investigating Musk's companies.

>>15580773
>Please have patience our president has dementia.

This was a year ago and he has only gotten worse.

one bong to starlink

>>15580784
>Joe Biden is the greatest space President since John F. Kennedy.
I wouldn't say that, but at least he didn't cancel a bunch of flagship programs simply because his predecessor supported them. That's big.

> Musk voted for Biden
> Biden admin buttfucks him
what a dumb faggot he is lmao

>>15580885
I guess he'll just have to vote harder next time.

How close does 4chins think IFT-2 is?

Clear a Live!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5tCtj3Q5r0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5tCtj3Q5r0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5tCtj3Q5r0

>>15580911
Max Qute

Gorgeous views and Ria

>>15580903
2 weeks

????? it's not live yet
what stream is she watching

>>15580903
little over a month

she's rewatching last launch

>>15580773
ITS OVER

>>15580957
Zero citations

>>15580959
That's how you know its based and true

>>15580773
Very concerning. Will look into it.

>>15580957
what case is this even supposed to be

>>15580979
(((Environmental Activists))) vs FAA & SpaceX.
It's not a big deal and there's not an injuction on launches at this time.
>>15580957 is a schizopost

SCRUBBED

*BANG BANG*
>CAM ON SPICE SEX
*BANG BANG*
>LAUNCH SOM FACKING ROGGETS
*BANG BANG*

>>15581003
I say it is time not just to engineer rockets to withstand storms, but to harness the the lightning to power themselves to orbit.

elon just should shut his mouth up if he still want to go to mars

>>15581012
but then who will own the libs on twitter?

>>15580957
Truthful has so many based takes for a leaf lol

>>15580903
August 27th, 2023