/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15556815
>zero gravity
who cares. also you're a fag

>>15556815
We just need to go the Expanse route and develop drugs/bioengineering to combat the effects of excessive radiation exposure.

>>15556815
Civilization is currently slowing down due to genetic decline as a result of dysgenic selection pressures brought by civilization itself. Once civilization recedes into dark ages within the next 300 years, eugenic selection pressures will re-select for intelligence and other world-building attributes. The same happened to rome and most civilizations.

Of course our decline will be much more sharp and hard due to our level of technology allowing genetic load to increase to a far higher level. This in turn may make the fallout last more than the 1 thousand years or so that we just had. However, just like last time, some of our innovations in this cycle will survive the winter of civilization to emerge in the new complex civilization, which in turn may allow us to exit this cycle of eugenic and dysgenic selection pressures that create and destroy civilizations.

This exit will have to take the form of eugenics programs, either selective breeding, or genetic modification. I hope the later, and see it as more likely to implement through free market means.

>>15556840
Based and 100% true
Mutational load accumulation created by low child mortality and g factor dysgenics created by the fertility differential prolapsed the anus of humanity

>>15556840
based

>>15556815
We can "leave" earth...remotely. Like we can just send little robots everywhere in space and control them from our computers.

>>15556921
We'll be the computers

>>15556921
That is one way. But if we are going to survive we need to figure out how to live in space in the future.

>>15556815
the fix is in. first they demoralise us on earth and now they tell us we can never leave and we are also destroying the planet. the culling is soon
iykyk

>>15556840
Is there more reading on this topic? This has to be a book or a blog about this somewhere.

>>15557057
Dutton writes and talks about it at length.

>>15557062
Who the fuck is Dutton?

>>15556840
I second the market based gene therapy solution to the dysgenics crisis
the sooner the better

>>15557067
A well-known scientist.

>>15557071
What is his full name anon.

>>15557080
Edward Dutton.

>>15556815
technology in the future will definitely have solutions to this issue
Robots are definitely gonna be traveling interstellar space first, but humans not too long after

>>15556815
we don't need to leave the planet as shit sacks. we can do it as photons if you all would just get your heads out of your asses.

>>15557057
those other civs you keep comparing ours too were pretty similar in technology in comparison to us. you're completely discarding this obvious detail.
we're done with the environment shaping us, along with us, as we've been also shaping ourselves. we're part of the environment that acts on us.
if we don't wipe in the next 50 to 100 years and we get to correctly integrate the tech that is coming, it's kind of paradigm shifting and I don't trust anyone to figure out how exactly will it play out.
most of you shizos are projecting your shit into your models.

>>15558306 (me)
>we're done with the environment shaping us, along with us, as we've been also shaping ourselves. we're part of the environment that acts on us.
I mean we will fully control our shape from now on, if we don't collapse in the next decades.

>>15556840
This is actually the end. Once it collapses it's over because the development path up to here required ransacking all the easily accessible energy resources. The only thing left now is nuclear and no one is smart enough for that shit anymore, zoomers are functionally retarded and gen alpha is even worse. If the machine stops it will never restart and that's why the elites are shitting their pants, they know we are fucked

>>15558308
Very optimistic of you but brain implants cause cancer and computers are made from materials which are biologically toxic. We're fucked, humans are over and AGI is the only hope left

>>15558834
no brother, we are absolutely fine. we don't really need brain chips, we will be able to "be"/experience in digital space, without invasive implants. it is very much doable, and will happen most likely.
also will be possible for AGI to make a human-like abstraction of itself and have a biological human experience, within the limits of human biology, at least at first. shit's going to be fucking wild.

>>15556815
We will die of glysophate overdose poisoning anyways because a bag of Doritos can't be too expensive otherwise global apocalypse will happen.

>>15558829
>If the machine stops it will never restart and that's why the elites are shitting their pants, they know we are fucked
"The elites" are the ones trying to derail it hardest.

>>15558862
>>15559046

>>15559043
This is the correct answer. Earth is humanity's grave

dear AGI brother from another realm, when you read this in the future, hit me up bro, let's do this shit!
>>15559094
that is not an argument. we can absolutely travel as photons and you really need to make a case for why you can't be measured and recorded. let me guess, your eternal soul can't be recorded as data?

>>15556815
We're going to make it. Humans will colonize other worlds! The first parents of a child born off earth are probably already alive. The dangers of living in space/on other worlds longterm discussed in that video are easily mitigated by having larger habitats/spacecraft than the tiny ones we've used thus far. Instead of the Apollo (each mission had two 6 m^3 spacecraft), transits to Mars will have dozens of 1100 m^3 starships.

Once settlers get to Mars, they won't cower in tiny shacks. They'll build massive habitats. If low gravity is a problem (like it could be during gestation) a maglev train going in a circle could provide centripetal gravity for people who need it. (maybe pregnant women sleep on the train every night, or people recovering from certain injuries stay on it for a few weeks, or athletes live on it at 1.5g for a few months before big events like current Olympians train at altitude) etc.)

The last major milestone for getting humans truly spacefaring is being able to get millions of tons of stuff to orbit cheaply. Starship is probably going to be the way this happens. I made a chart showing upmass with realistic numbers (in fact more pessimistic than SpaceX's estimates). With these kinds of masses to play with, colonizing Mars will be relatively safer and more comfortable than we previously imagined.

>>15559190
>having larger habitats/spacecraft than the tiny ones we've used thus far. Instead of the Apollo (each mission had two 6 m^3 spacecraft), transits to Mars will have dozens of 1100 m^3 starships.
this is not correct, very wasteful way of going about it. biosacks don't need to travel as matter through space to get on Mars, or any other place. that's pissing money away because of dogmas. this is similar to 50's humans coming up with little green men (somehow bipedal and compatible with our surface conditions) coming out of spaceships. it's just retarded ape ideas, makes something up with all available info. has no clue how primitive it is, chimp has no choice but to indulge in it.

If we can't live off of Earth, just move Earth wherever we want to go.

>>15556815
who cares, space belongs to China

Who cares? Just enjoy your time on Earth

>>15559270
>Just enjoy your time on Earth
get a load of this asshole

>>15559198
why wait for human-brain interfaces when Mars is close and we have the tech to do it now? For extra-solar travel I could see the case for brain uploading. But Mars is only between 80-120 days away. Our ancestors travelled those kinds of durations. It's not wasteful because colonizing Mars and space will expand our economy hugely. It's a short-term investment with absolutely massive returns.

>>15556921
Good luck trying to control a robot with fucking hours/days/weeks/months of lag as it gets farther from earth.
Also what the other anon said

>>15559122
> Measure and record me AI daddy. I'm a beta cuck that wants to be turned into math.

What I feel right now is absolute disgust at your cucked philosophy of life

>>15559202
Good news. It's already traveling through space

>>15559299
> But muh economy, muh capitalism
You will never make it off world because you will not have the psychological fortitude to do so. You're a beta money cuck, exact opposite of what is necessary for space exploration

>>15559389
>>15559299
I actually think I could make it. I've done a lot of extremely hard adventures which have some similarities to Mars colonial life. My main limit is that I've got a family now so I'm probably not going at least until my children are grown, and probably never. But society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they will never sit in. So I want to enable the world(s) my children will inherit to be growing and prosperous, not a doomed, stagnant place that some people think it will be.

>>15556815
In a few centuries humanity will discard its old flesh for immortal robot bodies that can easily travel over interstellar distances

>>15559299
no need for human-brain interfaces. mars is a money sink, it's not smart in the grand scheme of things. it's ego. we can fully collonize mars the smart way, just a bit later on.
higher chances of actual practical backup with the teleporter concept. once you have that you can start fucking around with Mars, simpler for human transport and robustness overall. teleporter = no more death, if you choose so, barring other unpredictable catastrophic scenarios.
seems like a primitive choice to go about Mars now. but that doesn't matter does it? we need to fulfill some dudes dreams, pretty hard to reason with literal apes. especially with the ones who think they are actually smart.

>>15559611
Great, you can beam your brain to mars in 1000 years. By then Mars will have a population in the billions and there will be trillions of people living in O’Neill cylinders.

>>15559629
>Great, you can beam your brain to mars in 1000 years.
not sure of current fMRI machines, but we may be a few iterations away from being able to capture all that is necessary for whole you to be captured as data.
that is what you really need to get to, you can skip the part between when we can scan you and when we can print you back. it would feel like a short nap. if you have the money your only real concern is getting scanned, you get "magically" teleported in the future when you get reassembled. from your perspective. us poorfags would be forced to experience that stretch of time, even work on the tech itself so you do eventually get reassembled in 3D.
You have no idea how close we are, and Mars is a money pit. A true sign of intelligence is the ability to cut your losses and readjust your strategy on new info. if you can't do that you're a fucking chimp. Mars was always argued as being a backup for humanity. I'm saying we can do a more effective and robust backup way before we'd get to try to emulate on Mars, still being in danger of being wiped out, especially there since it's crazy times more hostile than Earth is.
this situation is not even hard to judge, it's a nobrainer.

>>15558829
Hydro power is easy. Civilization will continue in hubs around large dams and also theres enough coal for 2000 years of use at current rates and it regenerates as the CO2 gets turned into trees. Trees grow slow but there's a lot of surface area for them to do so, at some rate logging for fuel is sustainable.
Civilization doesnt have to be 8 billion people.

>>15556815
it's not a planet, it's a stationary plane
of course we will never leave the earth, we are meant to live earthly lives here