/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15552710
I disagree with your graph. Midwits have life much better than a 140 IQ person. They're both not that successful, but the midwit at-least has friends, women, a social life. At-least he can interact with normal people. 140+, life is completely over. You have nothing.

>>15552710
>>15552724
People who claim to have IQs over 130 but have nothing in their lives are just not being honest. If they were truly as intelligent as they claim they would be able to master themselves and their environments to make their lives better.

>>15552710
Few, just 135, thank god

>>15552710
You're wrong

>>15552831
Introvert hell is literally me, holy shit.

>>15552730
You might be under a false pretense, considering everyone on /sci/ claims to be genuinely IQ tested and having a 140+ IQ. But in reality, an IQ that high is not that common and not normal. It is an abnormality of the brain just like schizophrenia might be, and comes with many comorbidities. Telling an abnormally high IQ person to "just do it, just do good in life, you have a high IQ" is the same as telling a schizophrenic to stop hallucinating.
But 130's is peak though, you are smart enough to do everything you want in life, but not too smart where you are just an abnormal asocial freak.

If I huffed glue or gasoline as a teenager would that have made life easier?

>>15552730
Wrong. A being can be created with 9000+ IQ, but without the means to freely gather information and act on the world it could do nothing to make its existence any better.

>>15552710
>IQ is super helpful for doing *literally everything*
>But past 133 they somehow place less value on mainstream social values. Prestige! Money! Sex! Fame!
>Are we missing something here?
>No, it's the brilliant who are wrong.

>>15552831
You have to be 18 to post here

>>15552710
Smart enough to be in Mensa, not retarded enough to pay dues to a club filled with ego driven circle-jerkers. I guess I'm peak performance then... and will have the highest quality of life. I denounce the talmud, and there is a systemic problem surrounding jews and their nepotistic behavior on society. Embrace your culture. Do not allow outsiders to influence your behavior and natural instincts, if it feels wrong... then it is... Christ is King.

>>15552942
Yup. Since you're a midwit, it would have put you in "Ignorance is Bliss" retardo mode. Where life is better than being a midwit.

>>15552710
Chromosome count >>>> IQ count
anyway

>>15552710
Maybe highIQ individuals, had in life situations, that then they had on IQ tests, so they ware prepared.

>>15553037
Sour grapes

"It’s a widely held belief that a high IQ score correlates with greater success in life. One reason might be that, overall, the average IQ of employees does actually increase with the complexity of their tasks. And, since complex tasks are generally better rewarded, it seemingly accounts for this success.

However, upon closer inspection, IQ scores don’t account for great performance and success as well as we might think.

Consider, for example, one study conducted on the relationship between sales performance and IQ. They discovered that, when you ask bosses to rate their salespeople, they tend to believe that their more intelligent employees do a better job. However, when the researchers measured intelligence against actual sales results, they found that there was no correlation, thus making intelligence useless as a predictor of sales performance.

And the results of this study aren’t limited to sales performance."

- 978-1591842248

>>15552710
>>15554492
>While increasing IQ, especially over 140, is inversely correlated with elite membership, 140-150 IQ is also characteristic of eminence (Nobelists, Fields Medalists, etc.). (...)The most definitive study was that of Dr. Anne Roe (1952) in which she gave 64 of America's (U.S. born) most eminent scientists an IQ test that ETS had created for that purpose. (...) the test rendered a 15 point ratio IQ and the average IQ of the group was 152. This corresponds to a modern deviation IQ of 144.
>What this suggests is that while an IQ over 140 will decrease the probability of entrance into an elite profession, if the impediment can be overcome, performance within the elite is likely to be superior.
>Over an extensive range of studies and with remarkable consistency, from Physicians to Professors to CEOs, the mean IQ of intellectually elite professions is about 125 and the standard deviationn is about 6.5. For example, Gibson and Light found that 148 members of the Cambridge University faculty had a mean IQ of 126 with a standard deviation of 6.3. The highest score was 139. J.D. Matarazzo and S.G. Goldstein found that the mean IQ of 80 medical students was 125 with a standard deviation of about 6.7. There was one outlier at 149, but the next highest score was 138. This means that 95% of people in intellectually elite professions have IQs between 112 and 138 99.98% have IQs between 99 and 151.
>So, if your IQ is 140 something, the above should serve as a warning that you may be facing related career challenges. If your IQ is over 150, it is a clarion call; without direct intervention, your career prospects are very poor.
So you can enter an "intellectually elite profession" as a midwit. But your high IQ peers will always outperform you if they are allowed to enter as well. The disparity exists only because of Low IQ nepotism barring geniuses from entering elite positions altogether.

>>15553037
>Prestige!
lame
>Money! Sex!
the only things that matter
>Fame!
the worst
avoid it as much as you can

My IQ is like 110-115 (peak midwit territory).
With this IQ can I finish an intense and math-heavy economics bachelor's degree? I don't want to make scientific discoveries, I just want to get my degree and go wageslave. I'm very afraid of being filtered once I enroll =(

>>15554660
You can get any grade you want as an above average intelligence person. Work hard enough and you will get the degree without many problems.

>>15552710
>Life quality peaks at an IQ of 133. I'm sorry for you if you are any higher.
Luckily, no one on this board has anything to worry about

>>15552710
IQ is an invalid measure.
The neocortex is the part that actually makes you understand things. The cerebellum is the dumb lizard brain that operates on patterns and categories. The more you use the mammal brain (which can understand) the less you use the lizard brain (which can only make dumb guesses based on statistics). It's simply impossible to convey the enormous depth of understanding that people completely miss.
IQ at best measures your reliance on the primitive brain, which has hardly any correlation with intelligence, as people evolved to be more neocortex based than almost any other animal - on the contrary, those with a poorly functioning neocortex rely on the primitive brain more, and will score higher IQ.

>>15554556
Roe study is one of the worst. She assumed that a average PhD IQ is 140

>>15552710
Who ever made this graph violently needs to be shot. The other version posted a couple weeks back was much better. The 130s are actual blackpill hellscape -- actually, the entire graph is inverted how it needs to be.

133 and my life is shit. Underachiever, jobless, single

>>15552724
This is just cope, a smart person could figure out how to have friends

>>15555629
having a freakishly high IQ usually comes coupled with mental issues in my experience, however I don't have any empirical evidence. My IQ is over 140, clinically tested. I know how to "game" people into being social with me, but I don't think its a good way to form relationships, not to mention my borderline autism means my only "hobbies" are going /out/ and hating technology.

>>15552710
My IQ is 126 and I make more money than everyone in this thread

As always, spergs blaming all of their problems on anything except their autism.
>It's not muh autism, it's le politics/I'm actually le trans,etc.

All this is coping for autists, narcissists, and anyone with some mental illness on top of their intelligence. Go to a physics department at any respectable school and I can assure you most of these people are normies who have a decent social circle.

>>15554718
If you have 115, it won't be a walk in the park, but you'll be able to do most of the things you might want to do. The midwit stuff is more about the traps they let themselves fall into due to being somewhat intelligent, but thinking too highly of themselves for listening to science podcasts or watching crash courses. They also accept the state of the world around them too easily and would probably hang around the game room at a tech start-up after their day is done.

>>15556316
You are coping.
Yes, they are normies who'll have social lives because they are not 150 IQ on average, they're like 125 IQ on average. read OP post and this first >>15554556

Here's a study on Mathematicians at OXFORD, where their average IQ was calculated to be 128 (picrel). >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5008436/
Your average Physicist at a bum university not at Oxford level is going to be even lower.
And here's an excerpt from above link, since I know you're not gonna read it.
>Professional mathematicians usually display high intelligence and good reasoning skills, whereas their calculation skills might be above the average but not necessarily exceptional (Pesenti, 2005). In fact, exceptional calculation skills might be the consequence of an intensive and protract drill, which may become an obsessive–compulsive behavior as in clinical conditions such as Asperger and savant syndrome (Fehr, Weber, Willmes, & Herrmann, 2010).
So you are just wrong. Your Academics are not 150 IQ autists. They will typically fall between 110-140 IQ. Majority of them in the 120-135 range. Which is why they're "le normies". You simply overestimate how high their IQ is.

Many autists will sometimes cope by even posting about how much of a stud Feynman was even though he was a NP winning genius, and that high IQ doesn't stunt you socially. Well, would you know, he wasn't 140+ either?
>An IQ test administered in high school estimated his IQ at 125—high but "merely respectable", according to biographer James Gleick.
Same thing with chess players, as OP mentioned in OP post. People overestimate IQ's of highly acheived people, when in reality, they aren't really that much higher. You are just a useless if you are too high. Just like Langan or Sidis never acheived anything in life. Or even Ted Kaczynski (167 IQ). After a certain point, you're just a socially stunted outlier who has autism and might be looked at as crazy, and chances of success in life are low.

>>15552710
This whole IQ thing is just another thing we choose as a character stat before coming here anyway according to NDErs. So who cares about IQ if it is premortally chosen?

And NDEs are more real than this world, in every way. For instance, NDErs report expanded intelligence. One NDEr said that the greatest supergenius who ever lived, with the help of the greatest supercomputer of all time, would be immeasurably dwarfed by the intelligence she had access to while in the light, so much so that it would be closer and fairer to compare the intelligence of Einstein to that of an ant. Literally and seriously. And as another NDEr described their cognition during their life review:

>"I looked up, and saw four translucent screens begin to appear - and form a kind of gigantic, cubed box all around me. It was through this method that I was shown my life review. Without ever having to turn my head, I panoramically saw my past, present, future - and there was even a screen behind me that displayed a tremendous amount of scientific data, numbers, symbols and universal codes. I was in complete amazement because (as all of this was occurring) I realized I understood absolutely everything I was seeing - even in the most microscopic detail! There seemed to be no limit to the thoughts I was able to think or the ideas I was able to absorb. In this space, what we tend to think of as a limited comprehension or single-mindedness here on Earth, becomes truly infinite and limitless here! I kept thinking over and over how true it is what they say: that when we go back home - we all really are of one mind!"

From here: https://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o

Another way NDEs are more real is how one NDEr said that he saw more than 80 new primary colors in the NDE world, compared to the 3 primary colors we have here.

From here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist

So heaven is undeniably real and we all have infinite IQ there.

>>15552710
IQ is a meme.

>>15555977
my iq is 142 and I dont care about making money

>>15552710
I was always under the impression 130 was the midwit. Is that wrong?

>>15556783
Yeah, that's wrong.

>>15552730
Just world hypothesis cope. I have an IQ of 160, tested. Best I can hope for in life is getting SSDI one day.

>>15552831
I feel like I'm in introvert hell (which is fine with me) but I'm probably not smart enough to be in introvert hell.

>>15552710
>There is no point to having an IQ over 133.
absolute midwit take. I would trade all my happiness for knowledge.

>>15552730
I know that I am in a cave with a bear. I can explain & understand the facts. I cannot stop the bear from eating me.

>>15552831
you need a good environment to reach your genotypic maximum. Best way would be at childhood, though damage control might help well enough later on.

I think "introvert hell" is just product of your environment, try getting closer to your genotypic maximum by modifying your environment instead of relying on your genes.

>>15553037
Less able to fit in.
An obvious example is empathy; it was harder for me to understand peoples motivations. What you were born knowing (they are just like me) I had to figure out.

>>15554556
Dutton pointed out a fun fact: Supposedly the average high-school teacher is about 115 IQ. Around the 1870s the IQ was 15 points higher than today.

Since the bell curve was shifted an entire SD upwards back then, the average high-school teach would've been as smart as today's university lecturer. Just imagine what they could've done with today's technology.

If an individual doesn't understand something, they try to make sense of it with what they do know.

>>15556885
The rest of it makes sense. Although I don't know the stats, I presume there were proportionally just as many teachers back then as professors today (Less schools back then, more colleges today). So they had a better pool of teaching-oriented folk to choose from for teaching as not as many could become professors. But now, people that would have been in the mines back then have to be inducted as teachers as well because of the amount of them needed. While actually qualified "teachers" just become professors because the amount of seats open.
>Around the 1870s the IQ was 15 points higher than today.
This doesn't make sense. Average IQ is always 100 by definition. And it is harder to get a hundred today than it was ever before. See the Flynn effect. So they likely had Lower IQs than us.

>>15556959
Not anon but reaction times are used as proxy. Take that as you will.

>>15556885
High school teachers used to be able to (required to in some cases) speak fluent Latin and be well-versed in several advanced scientific or humanities topics. Instead of people teaching below-par single-discipline slop out of mandated lesson plans, they were polymaths who lectured on topics that today can only be found in university classrooms.

142 and i work in a high level cybersec job without a degree

>>15556783
Did you even read >>15552710 >>15554492 >>15554556 >>15556478

>>15552899
To smart to believe in the fantasy of a fair & meaningful world.
To dumb to realize its also a fantasy to believe the world is unfair and meaningless.