/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15538211
Why does it still have the retarded space shuttle docking adapter

Some new information on Russias ROSS Space Station from Dvach
https://2ch.life/spc/res/749048.html#bottom

>Russia has invited Algeria and Egypt to participate in the creation of the Russian orbital station, said Yury Borisov, head of Roscosmos, at a meeting with President Vladimir Putin, Rossiya 24 reports.

>He spoke about the dialogue with the heads of the national space agencies of African countries. “We talked about the creation of multi-satellite orbital constellations, about launch services, about manned space. I offered to participate in the Russian Orbital Station. And full-blooded. Not just the training of cosmonauts, but up to the construction of national modules, ”Borisov specified.

>He added that "full-scale work" on the formation of the Russian orbital station will begin in 2024. The main work is planned to be completed by 2030, and the station should be fully completed by 2032.

>An agreement on cooperation in space with African countries is planned to be signed at the Russia-Africa forum, which will be held on July 27-28 in St. Petersburg.

>In February 2023, ROS Chief Designer Vladimir Kozhevnikov announced that the launch of the first, scientific and energy, module is scheduled for the end of 2027, and the nodal, gateway, basic and target modules - for 2028-2030.

>>15538219
i guess they want to compete with china for experiment contracts once the ISS is gone

>>15538219
All their wrok will simply be bought out by China or end up in the trashheap of bankruptcy.

>>15538219
>a space station manned by slavs, niggers, and probably chinks
oh boy...

How many launches would it take to build Orbital Reef?

>>15538210
Do we ever build boats in the ocean? planes in the sky?

>>15538217
>he doesn't know about DreamChaser 2

>>15538238
we need LandX and SeaX

>>15538238
>Do we ever build boats in the ocean?
No, but we build ships immediately adjacent to the sea rather than hundreds of miles inland

>>15538238
>Do we ever build boats in the ocean
water is difficult to work in
>planes in the sky?
planes require continuous propulsion to fly
the analogy is not applicable in both cases.
in space construction will happen

>starship explodes
>hmm, what do?
>more concrete under
>ok

i have no faith in this launch vehicle. yes, it's cheaper than artemis. however, artemis worked on the first try.

nasa is going to need a new solution.

>>15538281
faggot post. many such cases

>>15538286
explain your thinking

>>15538298
Explain your argument.

>>15538281
it was over the moment elon musk was revealed to head the project. dead from the start like all his ventures

>>15538219
>begging Africans to join your space station

>>15538263
Starship is being built at the launch site(s).

https://twitter.com/VardaSpace/status/1674871004810858496
>Over the last day, for the first time ever, orbital drug processing happened outside of a government-run space station
>Our crystallization of Ritonavir appears to have been nominal
>This is our first step in commercializing microgravity and building an industrial park in LEO
Varda news from a couple days ago that I'm surprised hasn't been posted

>>15538280
>water is difficult to work in
as opposed to space

How long until the space force operates SSTO fighter jets?

>>15538366
ask virgin galactic, their pocket rocket spaceplane is unironically the closest thing yet

>>15538368
it's not even SSTO, it's air launched
SSTO to orbit is a meme, but merely rocketing around above the Karman line is pointless until someone else is up there too.

>>15538366
There's no way to answer this without a combination of massive improvements in propulsion technology and something that needs to be blown up with fighters that are most effectively sortied from terrestrial bases. I don't foresee the latter condition being met if the former is, and the basic premise is impossible without it.

>>15538370
the systems it's employing could be scaled up though, it'd just be too expensive and they might as well use a regular rocket.

Is it too optimistic for Starlab/Orbital Reef/Axiom Station and Northrop Station to be built and deployed in 4-5 years? That’s not allot of time in spaceflight, how long does it usually take to build a space station module?

>>15538366
2 weeks

>>15538375
Any time you can go SSTO, you can always do better by going up on a first stage.

>>15538219
this project is doomed but I'm glad to see more space stations. we need destinations in space for people to go to.

>>15538384
Lame formula thought up by dumb apes who don't even know how gravity works lmao

>>15538358
Nobody posted it cuz Twitter is dead

>>15538366
starship is ssto with light or no payload

>>15538395
YWNGTO

>>15538397
starship is actually ASTN, any stage to nowhere

>>15538402

>>15538384
>>15538395
that's not the Lamé formula

>>15538405
Shut up, Gabriel.

I fucked up big time

Commercial lunar missions wen

>>15538421
When there's something worth selling.

>>15538424
roggs?

>>15538432
first meme i've saved off this shitty site in years

>>15538432
eesa could surpass spacex thanks to german engineering, they just choose not too (bigger problems to fry)

Another random ass small launch company wins a Space Force contract

https://spacenews.com/startup-irocket-wins-space-force-contract-to-demonstrate-rocket-engine/

This time its a New York based small launch company called iRocket

Why does the Space Force prop up these guys so much? You would think there is a little too much redundancy there

>>15538443
what else are they gonna spend their budget on? uniforms?

>>15538443
Look at this dude ohnonononono
https://irocketusa.com/

>>15538445
>Every launch company expands its upper stage. iRocket’s innovative heat shield and proprietary landing engine technology enables rapid ...
>expands

jesus christ they didn't even spellcheck their homepage. are these obvious frauds even trying anymore?

>>15538421
we just had one. it crashed. unless you mean manned, then dear moon. unless you mean surface, then who knows.

>>15538432
Unironically we could sell them to s0yb0ys for a thousand bucks a pop for 2 grams

>>15538440
>bigger problems to fry
like getting Ariane working?

>>15538366
Better to just get Starship, and refuel it every 6 months from orbit.

>>15538461
Fuck you retard

>>15538446
That’s just a lithium rocket.

>>15538461
and get Vega-C's motor to work reliably?

ArianeSpace really is in a world of hurt right now with Soyuz canceled, Ariane 5 at end-of-life, Vega-C grounded, and Ariane 6 years late. You could tell they were smiling through the pain during the Euclid launch, and I can't imagine how galling it is to have to launch several Galileo sats on the filthy American Falcon 9 next year.

How much longer before they put in the cooling plate? I thought they were the other night.

Why is gaganyaan orange

NASAs Canoos have been delivered
https://twitter.com/oonac15/status/1675639415400714241?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>15538535
saffron and marigold ablative coating

>>15538535
poop

>>15538549
1 billion dollars plus tip

>>15538549
Looks fugly

>>15538549
And that was the last car they ever sold.

>>15538446
can we mate a Пpoтoн with an electron?

>the first axiom station module is supposed to launch next year
>all they have are a few pieces they're testing and wood mockup under construction
lol this shit aint going to be ready until 2028

>>15538588
only if you do two of each and add an LH2 NTP stage in the middle to make a Hydrogen.

>>>/wsg/5165538
https://images.nasa.gov/details/SSC_2018-10-11-%20Video%20File%20-%20RS-25%20Engine%20Test

>>15538366
Never, it’s a meme

>>15538366
Why would they not use a reusable JATO pod aka a first stage? I can see keeping VTHL fighters stationed on orbit with deorbit/airbreathing capability as the ultimate planetary/LEO quick reaction force, but that doesn't require SSTO.

>>15538535
because it's not green.

>>15538366
the Lockheed Martin F-V

>>15538670
>making your JATO pods reusable
that sounds hard

>wake up
>starship still hasn't made it to orbit
>elon has done ANOTHER change
How fucking pissed are NASA right now?

>>15538535
To signify danger

>>15538443
Based glowies looking after the little guys
Today you tomorrow me

Did the space drug lab made space meth yet?

>>15538366
Once QI is proven and small fusion reactors are built.

>>15538446
That's only an atom.

>>15538549
It looks like an envelope lmao

>>15538087
>The one supposed to feature composite overwrapped pressure vessel tanks for cold gas thrusters that enable you to crush the opposition?
Yes

>>15538365
Welding in space is definitely doable, it's more about vacuum than microgravity but even that doesn't hurt.
I can see robots doing that. Not spaceships, but big structures are a real possibility.
Water doesn't offer any advantage, we weld in water only when strictly needed.
I have a friend who does that for a living, he's paid well.

seriously, besides Frankenstein, has anyone tried to harvest the power of lightning? I know it is a huge impulse to eat all at once, but I wonder if we have the technology to absorb a lightning strike into a battery farm now.

>>15538424
Tourism would sell if the price is affordable.

>>15538358
because browsing twitter was difficult for a few days

>>15538358
https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1675649959033708544

>>15538670
this is probably what will happen, maybe not JATO but a suborbital spaceplane as the first stage and a orbital (maybe airbreathing as well) space plane as the upper stage
there was some company that was developing a suborbital space plane first stage, I guess you could use it for a conventional second stage too, but they are approaching it from the plane perspective (make a conventional small radio controlled plane first, add rocket engines to it so it becomes suborbital, then scale that up and add a second stage)

https://www.dawnaerospace.com/spacelaunch

>>15538766
soon

>>15538766
>>15538829

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/europes-euclid-telescope-launched-to-study-the-dark-universe/

> SpaceX charged ESA about $70 million to launch Euclid, according to Healy. That’s about $5 million above the standard commercial “list price” for a dedicated Falcon 9 launch, covering extra costs for SpaceX to meet unusually stringent cleanliness requirements for the Euclid telescope.

>>15538890
kek

>>15538817
go here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catatumbo_lightning
build this
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jan/16/scientists-steer-lightning-bolts-with-lasers-for-the-first-time
???
profit

>>15538890
Arianne on suicide watch.

>>15538549
Very 60's scifi-esque

>>15539021
>>15538549
It's hard not to like it when it's used like this, really

I thought this was for sure some crypto scam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqvex_gsvVQ

>>15539090
Whoops. English.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evF1hTUdP6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkc-BYGHXwQ

>>15539156
Is that a...

>>15538996
They have no rockets. Ariane 5 has one last launch remaining, and Ariane 6 is not ready yet.

>>15539183
The entire Western launch industry, other than SpaceX, is in a similar position.

https://www.engadget.com/blue-origin-is-planning-to-open-new-launch-sites-outside-the-us-122518232.html

>>15539185
What customers lol

>>15539185
>article consists of 1 line of useful info which was lifted from a paywalled source (unsourceable)
>the rest is a couple of paragraphs of irrelevant info
modern journalism. how do these people even make money for their work.

>Russian rockets
a no-go for obvious reasons
>Chinese rockets
maybe no
>Ariane 5
none left
>DIVH
none left
>Antares
only for Cygnus
>SLS
no
>Atlas V
all booked
>Vulcan
delayed
>Ariane 6
delayed
>New Glenn
delayed
>Japanese rockets
delayed
>GSLV Mk II / LVM 3
only for small payloads
>Vega C
dead


no game in town for larger commercial payloads except F9/FH

>>15539185
>Blue Origin
>new launch sites
It would help to have something more than a carnival ride sounding rocket first.

>>15539191
We must convince long lehao to build 100 Long March 5s for commercial launches

>>15539190
AI can do a better job of writing clickbait articles, so these losers will be first against the wall.

>>15539185
Can someone post the paywalled FT article that this is referencing? I want to see all the actual info about this

dark matter is the phlogiston of our time.

>>15539202
from nsf:
>Blue Origin, the rocket company owned by Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, is searching for a site to build an international launch facility as it looks to compete with Elon Musk’s SpaceX.
>The company is also on the hunt for new partnerships and acquisitions in Europe and beyond to accelerate the scaling up of its space services, such as the launch and engine businesses, said Blue Origin’s chief executive, Bob Smith, in an interview with the Financial Times.

well, elon did it again, workarounds like
>https://syndication.twitter.com/srv/timeline-profile/screen-name/cosmic_penguin
no longer work. so now we're completely in the dark.

>>15539217
is he trying to kill twitter on purpose

>>15539185
They can probably get the Soyuz launch site in Kourou at bargain bin price.

>>15539191
dont forget that blue origin bought up most of the initial capacity for most of the upcoming rockets, so even if the rockets were available, very few of them would be free

>>15539217
I mean we all need accounts to view and post here on 4channel, I don't see why twitter should be different

>>15539229
don't you mean Amazon Kuiper?

>>15539220
How come making a throwaway account is so difficult for you?

>>15539234
probably

Since ABL is building a new rocket to compete for NSSL contracts, could it be a heavy rocket like Falcon 9/Terran R/Vulcan etc?

>>15539235
phone number

>>15539245
seething thirdoid or...

>try and post on 4chan from mars
>captcha expires before I can send the post
:(

>>15538875
Would

>>15539242
never going to happen
are we all forgetting that starship will be commercially operational in 8x2 months and killing *all* competition?
>Shotwell "0" quote, hello?

>>15539250
i don't want to give twitter my phone number

>>15539259
Starship will kill all competition, but much like Falcon 9, it's going to take the better part of a decade to get to that point.

>>15539255
definitely should lurk more either way

>>15539269
Just use your email?

>>15539269
just don't post anything ever if you are worried

>>15539187
>>15539185
https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA?t=1136

>>15539242
No lol it’s going to be a POS shitsat launcher that never makes it to operational launches

>>15538829
Rocket Lab buying Varda and renaming it Drug Lab /when/?

>>15538231
>forgetting the dune coons

>>15538302
Just report trolls. Replying gives them the attention they crave.

DRACO NTP engine demonstration in 2027
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-darpa-will-test-nuclear-engine-for-future-mars-missions

How long ahead is Russia's Zeus NTP program? What does China's NTP program look like?

>>15538366
Literally never, you faggot. There are no advantages to this over orbital fighters.

>>15538440
>ESA simply chooses to waste billions and accomplish nothing, as a show of force
Well, that strategy is good enough for NASA

>>15539156
Unwatchable. They keep switching back to shots of this faggot talking every 5 seconds

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1675876023332683776

>>15539342
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/europes-venerable-ariane-5-rocket-faces-a-bittersweet-ending-on-tuesday/

>>15539321
There are if you are invading a planet with an atmosphere and are trying to gain air supremacy

>>15539255
Buy 4chan Mars pass

>>15539345
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyNEAEFh-Cc

> But now, the road is coming to an end for the Ariane 5. As soon as Tuesday evening, the final Ariane 5 rocket will lift off from Kourou, French Guiana, carrying a French military communications satellite and a German communications satellite to geostationary transfer orbit. A 90-minute launch window opens at 5:30 pm ET (21:30 UTC). The launch will be webcast on ESA TV.

launch of the last ariane 5 tomorrow

>>15538549
I like it
better than the Mercedes Sprinter "astrovan"

How many weather satellites do we need? Just how much weather can you analyze?

>>15539361
They’re targeting satellites for HAARP

>>15539345
Amazing! Not only is Europe planning to throw money away on Ariane 6, but they're planning Ariane Next after that to compete with Falcon 9, years after Starship will have started commercial launches for one hundredth the cost.

This shit makes SLS and the moon coon missions look reasonable in comparison.

earth sample return mission

geomobile orbit

>>15539349
>invading from space
>need SSTO
This is why people hate spaceplanefags. You will make up any kind of retarded bullshit to justify your gay fantasies and ignore that it's all pointless. You are literally delusional.

Go watch a superhero movie.

>>15539354
Press S to spit

>>15539319
Zeus is probably further along than moat people would think, given the work done on the RD-0410 back in the 80s and 90s. All of Russia's best work in the last quarter-century has been reworks of old soviet projects, and this absolutely qualities. That said, their current planned launch date is NET 2030 so it's not exactly rushing to beat anyone.

I haven't heard anything about a Chinese NTP program beyond maybe a PowerPoint put out by one design bureau or another that could be boiled down to "please fund us so we can do something cool."

>>15539361
a lot, you can get more and more real time data for example

>>15538366
Not on Earth. Definitely happening on Mars. Atmospheric density + 38% Earth's gravity means SSTO is entirely viable on the red planet.

https://twitter.com/thePrimalSpace/status/1675824163632603137

>>15539420
https://twitter.com/spacesudoer/status/1675519566221557766

https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1675549486628601856

>>15539313
even better, change Photon to use methane fuel and name it Meth Lab!

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1675896826841448452

>>15539422
new cgi budget increase i see

>>15539430

>>15539354
>>15539345
>>15539342
>handing over the next years worth of Euro launches to an American company
>on the Fourth of July
pottery

>>15539434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg

>>15539438
It's going to RUD at Max-Q for seasonal fireworks.

>>15539185
Where would they even put it without violating ITAR

>>15539466
Brazil, Australia, and the UK (lol) have signed treaties that guarantee no forced tech transfer which allow US rocket launches from their territories.

>>15539204
but phlogiston is real and dark matter is a fraud

>>15539466
Elaborate please, I don't see how BO could violate ITAR.

>>15539474
Rocket engine tech I believe is covered under ITAR

>>15539478
Alright, but what about vaporware?

>>15539429
> transits of Mercury & Venus
Kinda want to see flat earther gymnastics on that topic

>>15539484
it's a jewish hologram
see: bible passage Jospeh 323:53

>>15539401
yeah but it'll just be SSTO rocketships, Flash Gordon style, not spaceplanes, on account of the impossibility of landing planes on Mars

>>15539430
>>15539434
Eric Berger got so much shit for saying it would only be a few days before they continued work.

>>15539493
Zubrin is our Zarkov

Mr. Tweet. Tear down this wall! The syndication trick stopped working too.
https://syndication.twitter.com/srv/timeline-profile/screen-name/SciGuySpace

https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1675918707271569409

when is musk going to start a private military?

>>15539502
The troops love him. These are also the guys who are swayed to enlist by B2 flyovers during football. So it makes sense.

>>15539184
how can they compete when they can do like 10 launches a year for double spacex costs

>>15538549
This is the coolest thing NASA's ever done

>>15538875
I need to think about this one

>>15538890
I dont think anyone pays list price for a F9, so they got a good deal it seems

How many of you guys play KSP?

>>15539571
I prefer tf2, rocket jumping into an airshot is basically the same level of projectile dynamics

>>15539319
Great, so demonstration in 2035 at the earliest after delays (actual first flight in 2042 if it hasn’t been cancelled by then)

reading though old versions of wikipedia pages for space stuff is fun

>need money to launch ships
> need to make money on space missions
>money is made up
>capitalists see no value in progressing the human race
i hate money so much i hate value i hate society

>>15539641
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1667627403089268739

disposable cosmonauts

>>15539649
elon will be in the guillotines with bezos and other greedy pigs, he isn't "based"

>>15539654
6/10 not as good as the one where he hits the shed on the way down, but better than the recent boat one

also not spaceflight

>>15539641
retard

Has anyone thought to ask the army for their solid propellants?

>>15539656
>the proles are rising up!
Bro you are just gaslit foot soldiers in a shitfit between megacorps you wouldn't know a workers' uprising if it called you a class traitor first

>>15539681
A 40mm grenade that travels to 2000m in milliseconds would be pretty funny.

>>15539361
the more data and the better the data the better the forecasts will be

>>15539420
they're still much worse than modern smartphone camera

>>15539654
>>15539664
Back to /pol/ with you fags

>>15539654
is this real?

>>15539420
>>15539422
Excited to watch the engine rats scurry around in HD

>>15539422
NOAAbros?

>>15539681
>Isp of 40,000 seconds with chemfuel

>>15539197
post this to remind people that chatgpt is trained primarily on Reddit and not "le whole internetz!!!"

>>15539216
how exciting

>>15539197
updoot

https://twitter.com/peterrhague/status/1675951524143325184

>>15539937
https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/status/1675940956615639040

>>15539937
rip bozo

https://twitter.com/Stuck4ger/status/1675648680873918464

>>15539949
https://twitter.com/Stuck4ger/status/1675871970959798272

former pilot of spaceship too according to berger

>>15539953
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1675873836686819330

Shitter Feed General

>>15539937
I mean... the guy didn't personally believe in reusability, but said [arianespace] would have to follow if spacex pulls it off.
He didn't specify a timeframe. Maybe they'll follow when it's 20 years too late.

>>15538211
>search space for habitable planets
>send spaceships with capsules filled with necessary micro-organism to survive this planet
>repeat for infinite life on other planets

reminder that scott manley is now on the killing yourself in a small aircraft accident arc.
small planes in general are dangerous pieces of junk

>>15539958
Small Fonts General

>>15539989
i wont be that sad if he does, his purpose has been fulfilled

>>15539989
He can influence that a lot. There are a lot of dipshits and senile men in the air. Airline pilots at least have mandatory evals and training. There are none for private pilots after they get their license.

Reusable _____

>>15539978
based panspermia enthisiast

Paragliding is so fucking based it's unbelievable

I been gone for about 5 days, whats been happening recently? I saw some tweets on that massive steel plate coming in, looks sick but anything else interesting?

>>15540016
Not much unless pouring concrete gets you off.
Euclid mission is off to L2.

>>15540025
Concrete pouring actually does, how much have they poured so far, and how long will it take to harden? It indicates some stuff for the next launch

>>15540033
they had like 130 trucks come in and are doing round 2 now

>>15540051
Holy shit that much? Well shit looks like we're well on our way to IFT-2

>>15538233
Did someone make this in KSP?
Redwire these days I'm telling ya

>>15540033
https://twitter.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1675975526664622081

Just over 150 trucks today + over 130 previously.

>>15540066

>>15540076
https://twitter.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1675976213364367360

> Obviously this number is significantly greater than we predicted. For those who asked, that previous number was not considering the area in yellow, which were also completed today. This area is technically outside of the true foundation of the OLM

>>15539937
>Europe
>lead in commercial space
Are they talking about Russia?

>>15540077
according to musk this will be done 2 weeks ago

>>15540066
>>15540076
>>15540077
No reddit for me thanks

>>15540083
meds schizo

>>15540078
Yes. Europe took the lead from Russia in the commercial launch market around that time.

>>15540094
There was this small happening in Ukraine around that same time though.

>>15540080
2 weeks is answer for everything

>>15539255
How would interplanetary internet actually work?

>>15540132
Local caching of most stuff, other than that I don't think there would be much of a difference as a lot of communication and browsing is already asynchronous anyway
No real time communication or chatting

>>15539285
I once decided to earnestly take my friends claim of flat earth seriously and tried to figure out a good way to test the theory of roundness in a way that did not rely on anyone's outside data sets or claims. Now I did need to start with the supposed diameter of the earth, and from that number I calculated the circular properties and the distance from the cord of one end of our 7mile long lake to the other. Once you have the cord of this straight line from surface point to surface point, you can take the center point of this straight line, which now lies inside the circle, and measure its distance to the surface of the circle. This distance from cord to surface is how much of a hill should exist between a ground level observer and the 7mile away observation point. After a quick botched calculation where I thought there would only be 2cm of hill, and therefore this would be unproveable because of the chop of the waves on the lake overwhelming the difference, I fixed my calculation and got around 2m distance. So with that prediction I should be able to put 2m of visible material at one side of the lake and at ground level I should be unable to see it from the other.
And wouldn't you know it, from 25 feet above the surface of the lake I could see kayakers out on the lake, if I went down a few feet I could no longer see their kayaks through my binoculars, and moving down more left only their heads visible, and further still they disappeared completely, and back up the stairs they reappeared.

Don't trust everything you see online, people have much to gain by fooling you.
Try things out for yourself.

>>15540132
udp

>>15540212
Based tester. Always question everything

>>15540132
>>15540222

>>15540132
Local caching updated with majority UDP and exchanging compressed hashes for verification.

150t starship payload
150,000,000 grams
4tb nvme 7.5 grams
20,000,000 drives or 80m TB payload

Data storage not remotely an issue.

>>15540212
Now prove heliocentrism nerdlinger
>inb4 muh Jupiters moons

>>15540257
My first thought is precession of pendulums, but that only indicates the earth is spinning and the insanity of the sun moving is already part of that model, so that wouldn't provide much of an argument.
Other thought is showing that Venus both transits in front of and behind the sun. Though I'm not sure you can see it while its on the backside of the orbit.
Obviously a much harder thing to locally prove in a day.
That said, ignoring the pattern seen with jupiters moons and our own moon, means that you are willing in insert lots of situational complexity to maintain your model, when a simpler model predicts and explains many more things.
So maybe the local convincing needed is 3 tabs of acid and some ego death.

Stop replying to the off-topic bait.

>>15539194
Ahem I still think this is a good idea

Are there any papers, on starship economics? Meaning how much money does it take to build a leo economy with starship 1 trilllion? 10 trillion? If you burnt 1 trillion dollars on starship launches god willing, would that not be enough to put up whatever you want or colonize the moon or mars.

>>15540076
God bless those absolute autismos counting concrete trucks, SpaceX will succsneed.

>>15540340
I think that depends entirely on the efficiency of bootstrapping an ISRU economy. If you had a really dank von Neumann probe you could do it in one launch. So its a spectrum. We really don't have a lot of the foundational tech yet

>>15540212
Extremely based, just be careful to account for unexpected factors. I read about the below experiment recently which is quite similar to yours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment

>>15540364
Shut up nigger

>>15540364
>Despite Hampden initially refusing to accept the demonstration, Wallace was awarded the bet by the referee, John Henry Walsh, editor of The Field sports magazine. Hampden subsequently published a pamphlet alleging that Wallace had cheated, and sued for his money. Several protracted court cases ensued, with the result that Hampden was imprisoned for threatening to kill Wallace[7] and for libel.
>>15540372
This seems to be a repeating pattern

>>15540335
You're not wrong...

How soon do you think we'll get centrifugal spin stations? Sierra Space inflatables plus a starship launch could get us a 6 node hab right away but as far as I know no one reputable is planning one.

>>15540402
Whats repeating

>>15539242
First of all, agreeing with the others that it won't happen. I feel like ABL will vanish in the next year or so.
Anyway, part of me wants to imagine it'll be be a Falcon 9 1.0/Firefly MLV type rocket where they claim the cost savings are in the simplicity of the rocket, and part of me feels like they may want to put their supposed aerospike research to use and make a meme rocket. Either way, even if RS2 somehow gets built, and even if Starship doesn't eat the market, they're just so far behind that there wouldn't be much market space for it.

>>15539953
He spoke a bit too freely about his employer to a journo writing a book a few years back and got fired for it.

>>15539535
They can't, but satellite operators tend to be slow to swap suppliers. Then again, SpaceX is the dominant name in the industry, so it might well happen faster than it did with Falcon 9.

>>15539571
I'm waiting to buy KSP2 when multiplayer is a thing. I want to sabotage /sfg/'s bases/stations.

>>15540521
>still no reentry heating

>>15538242
>dead end technology still being pushed for reasons.

>cant get updates from boca chica anymore cuz twitter is dead
fuuuuuuuuuuuuck what's going on over there

>>15540574
kill yourself addict and stop shitting up the general with twitter crossposts

i made another twitter account with a burner phone. elon is going to absolutely destroy zuck

>>15540574
Musk actively trying to kill twitter for some reason. Twitter lost many of the japanese ingames support as a result of last few days. Google cleared out twitter links from their search results. Meta's twitter alternative is happening.

>>15540650
You’re a 1

>>15540650
>elon has video cameras in his house
lmao wtf

>>15540650
Encountering that man's torso is going to be like trying to wrestle one of these

>>15540664
why do people want an alternative to twitter? man oh man, you know that piece of shit app that's never been good in its entire history? I want more of that but with Facebook owners

>>15540574
Elon limited everyone's access because someone was scraping Twitter's servers to train a ChatGPT clone and the datacenter bills would have bankrupted the company if nothing was done about it. The throttling has already eased back and the only people still complaining about it are terminally online social media addicts who took it personally when Elon laughed at them and told them all to go touch grass.

>>15540664
>Meta's twitter alternative is happening
Oh man, a new social media site from the people who brought you Google+ and the metaverse.

>>15540676
>why do people want an alternative to twitter
Something that people can use. Literally, the bar has gotten that low.

>>15540677
That's why he stopped paying the google server hosting bill and cut access for regular people then! THAT explains it! It's totally not a failed attempt to stop this shit from ruining his 44 BILLION investment.

>>15540682
name one social media app that is usable

>>15540684
Exactly. Twitter's platform was that it was a stable base, prior to even the last few days. Now people dont know if they'll be kicked out or not because the owner obviously does not want the non paying customers. Anyone who hasn't bought the blue and dont plan on buying have zero reason to stay because anything they post from now will likely be subject to complete account deletion in few months max.

>>15540685
?

>>15540686
Mature platform has advantage in network and solid user base. Given that Musk intends on kicking off all the non paying customers off of his platform, the non-paying customers are wasting their time worrying when their account will no longer be usable. All that worry/doubt/uncertainty can rather be discarded by simply signing up and using another social media all together, even if its new, a relative stable management team is all it needs for the new users to feel like they're atleast wanted.

>>15540693
as a "non-paying customer" I couldn't care less about any of this. do you have autism?

>>15540697
it's just more of the same off-topic liberal hysteria.

>>15540693
Sure bro just go create a mastodon or a tribal account I'm sure you'll feel super valued over there

The new cameras on F9 look GREAT

>>15540650
Why does he look so normal here when he looked like a cybertruck in that shirtless pic?

>>15539978
how are you going to hit the target

>>15540713
elon uses mrna experimental body transmogrification

>>15540672
Do you not want him to? That nigga needs all the security he can get.

https://youtu.be/RHGEMjhuVSY
WE ARE NOT ALONE

>>15540788
We are, and ayy truthers should be left alone for a life sentence in solitary confinement.

>>15540794
Aliens crash landed and the evidence is irrefutable and piling up every fucking day. Youre insane to not see it.

uhhhh

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4611/1

>>15540574
>fuuuuuuuuuuuuck what's going on over there

Elon seething that AIbros are scraping "his" (your) data. Shits so tiresome, I hate the birdapp arc.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jul/03/astronomers-observe-time-dilation-in-early-universe

NEAT

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4613/1

https://www.space.com/top-10-ariane-5-rocket-launches

GOOD RIDDANCE AIRANE 5

>>15540693
If you hit your daily limit even without a subscription you should probably reconsider how much time you are spending on social media.

>>15540956
> 10, 9, and 8 — Galileo navigation-satellite launches
> 7 — ATV Jules Verne
> 6 — XMM-Newton
> 5 — BepiColombo
> 4 — Herschel Space Observatory and Planck probe
> 3 — Rosetta
> 2 — JUICE
> 1 — James Webb Space Telescope

>>15540966
previously it was very easy to hit as it counted replies and everything
you could basically hit it by opening a few tweets with a lot of repleis
they changed it and I haven't hit it for a like a day or two now even though I basically browse twitter all day and don't have the checkmark

>>15540966
Daily limit is what? 600, 800? Dude that's scrolling through two 4chin threads.

what happened to our L2 anon? is nothing leaked there anymore?

>>15540989
surely there are some details about the interior of crewed starship now

>>15540943
wake me when they detect the actual GWB

>>15540992
orbit first
reusability: later
hls: lol. lmao.

>>15540967
>mfw I still remember when the ATV first went up
>how excited I was that Europe was sending up their own spacecraft
God, how cucked were we back then...

>>15540650
>GSP
Lmao. If he was taking this seriously and it wasn't just a photoshoot, he would completely heem the Zucc.

>>15541007
he's in Texas

>>15541065
miss him

>>15540650
lex looks like gmanlet

why would russia court african countries to join it's space station program instead of countries like kazakhstan and iran?

>>15540650
LMAO why is lex's head so big?

boca chunga

>>15540713
supplemental meth and testosterone

>>15540949
exactly as predicted by Einstein

>>15541127
Exactly as extrapolated from the implications and formula of the theory. People really overstate "just as Einstein predicted" when he just came up with the formula people use to make predictions. That's a brilliant theory, but it's not like Einstein foresaw all the crazy shit that would be conceived and modeled with General Relativity before he published it.

>>15540801
>Aliens crash landed and the evidence is irrefutable and piling up every fucking day. Youre insane to not see it.
Aliens mean we're not top dog in the universe and that scares me!

META launches Threads app to rival Twitter

>>15541248
Kill yourself facebook boomer

smokin on dat Apollo-Soyuz pack

>>15541259
seething hard

>>15541262
drugs

>>15541262
Cigarette collecting might be the next step to stamps

>>15540521
LMP For KSP 1 exists, a bit janky but it works
would be fun having an official /sfg/ ksp server

>>15541082
he works out in the library

>>15541263
Yeah, your existence is offensive

sfg is dead

anybody played mass effect legendary edition? I played the first mission on the second hardest difficulty and it was incredibly easy, is the story worth it?

>>15541432
>>>/v/

>>15541428
sfg is better when its dead

>>15541311

>>15539949
Well sheesh this makes spaceplanes sound fucking hellish. Branson would have saved a lot of money by just doing a jeff who style carnival rocket

Still can't get over the qt brown mommy in the VG stream.

>>15541502
I still think of the space force plasma waifu

>>15541502
Kate is better.

>>15538211
Oof

>>15541513
roblox_oof.wav

>>15541513
All those new rocket engineers aren't free, you know.

>>15541513
That's close to minus 600 million.
Where's the money going now? Into military spending? Fucking russia

>>15541513

>>15541524
Cultural Enrichment.

>>15541513
Just typical great power in decline things. They can't afford to spend as before. They're so fucking hosed.

>>15541513
Operation Paperclip Duex

>>15541533
Is there a single developed nation with a population pyramid that actually looks like a pyramid?
Steady eternal growth is not sustainable. Even a child should understand it's a ridiculous idea, yet all our economies are based on it.

Is it possible to build a KSC/Cape Canaveral size space port around the Starbase area

>>15541524
Germany is in recession, because sanctions against Russia are safe and effective, and Russia totally blew its own pipeline, so now Germany has to import US LNG.

>>15541544
It’s “possible” to terraform mars, it’s just a matter of cost and resources, and time.

>>15541542
Why does it need to be a pyramid. How about a steady state instead of rushing into a crashing population. But don't worry. I'm sure euthanasia will be blanket allowed for the elderly real soon unless someone farts out a care bot that has been promised for decades already.

>>15541542
you don't need a pyramid, just a rectangle would be fine. The problem is that it looks like a jew with a recessed chin and that a good chunk of the young population is migrants who are a net drain on the economy

>>15541513
Doesn't matter.
The german space industry is RFA and those like it.
ESA is a clown show whose existenceis a net negative.

can we expect fireworks at starbase for freedom day?

>>15541575
of course, Elon is a gigantic Americaboo

Vastbros... I'm so conflicted. This is baste as fuck but then they also posted lettuce gay bacon and tomato sandwich shit earlier...

>>15541683

>>15541685
did you get fired if you didn't donate or attend the event?

>>15541542
yes, Israel

>>15541683
spacex also had a pride float.
It seems like we cant escape it

>>15541513
https://youtu.be/GwkqLv-fOjg?t=1549

>>15541685
To Hell with this vaporware company. This is one of many companies /sfg/ jerks off to, only to find out it’s a scam a few months later

>>15541693
You can thank federal contractor policies and BlackRock "ESG scoring" for this.

>>15539220
yes

>>15541683
>>15541685
Maybe not everything has to be based and cringe. Maybe they can just be.

When will Starship realistically launch customer payloads?

>>15541432
I've always thought mass effect was the gayest shit I've ever seen. I can't believe people actually enjoy it

>>15541773
late '24

>>15541513
Germans have bigger problems to fry

>>15541776
Add a couple of years with the glacial pace of bureaucracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTvS4jTfQ2k

>>15541792
hot staging starship will be kino

make sure to eat some burgers today

>>15541792
Oh baby that’s a nice 3D model of the Starship stack

Uhhhh how does an F9 booster pump fuel to the center landing burn engine while in free fall?

>>15541813
my gut tells me all the fuel would be at the top of the rocket, but people online are saying the deceleration force of air resistance pushes the fuel towards the engines. This sounds wrong to me

>>15541813
helium + baffles

>>15541773
Starlink isn't a customer?

>>15541822
I thought baffles were just for rotational sloshing. Do they help keep the fuel in a vertical position

>>15541819
Air resistance creates a force that slows down the rocket, which is headed base first towards the ground.
This force acts on the body of the rocket, but not directly on the free floating liquid inside, which settles at the bottom where the engines are.

>>15541792
Why don't they just stage and turn the grid fins on
It works in ksp

>>15541819
retard
>>15541822
retard
>>15541813
it's not in free fall. the air decelerates it.

>>15541872
also the spin prime gasses provide additional acceleration.

>>15541872
you just made that up

>>15541884
you're mentally challenged if you don't see that is necessarily what happens.

4 hours until Europe loses its orbital capability

>>15541819
>deceleration force of air resistance pushes the fuel towards the engines. This sounds wrong to me
This fucks with my head too but if you draw arrows its up through the nose so fuel should settle bottom
How the fuck???

get a water bottle
fill it 1/4
drop it
where does the water go?

>>15541819
Personally I think it just naturally goes to the bottom. it's not in space anymore so the fuel experiences gravity

>>15541819
>>15541903
imagine posting in the spaceflight general while having a worse understanding of mechanics than the average chimpanzee.
if the way the fuel goes even at terminal velocity is not immediately obvious by intuition then you're a nigger and must return to twitter.

>>15541906
i think you mean fill it 1/50

>>15541913
learn how to speak respectfully

>>15541919
i don't respect uncurious npcs going through life for 20 odd years while not even picking up on the simplest workings of the world.

>>15541896
It's already been scrubbed until tomorrow because weather.

>>15541819
>>15541903

Germany cancelling their space program is actually a good thing. It helps ensure American hegemony in the Solar System

>>15541792
>hot staging
> crew rated starship
pick one

>>15541912
>Personally I think it just naturally goes to the bottom.
Based and Aristotle pilled

>>15541932
Yeah no shit, it becomes a lot more complicated when you imagine the bottle titled AND falling AND experiencing a strong resistance force slowing it down significantly

>>15541932
Yep. Now drop it from outer space---oop Uh oh,.....your image breaks now

>>15541947
make me a sandwich and dust off the solar panels.

>>15541906
You forgot to cap the bottle and now your water is all over your carpet.

>>15541955
mom is gonna be pissed

>>15541953
Post force diagram

Header tanks, retards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSaa5ZNMGYA

>>15541962
anon...

Workers removing scaffolding from the OLM. For IFT-1, how many weeks before launch did this start happening? I cant remember

>>15541963
Astra is feeling really good to be upping their advertising budget like this
>>15541969
Delusional

>>15541970
Retarded nigger doesnt even respond to my question, what is this ChatGPT? Go fuck yourself.

>>15541977
Hi, this is Bing. I'm happy to help you with your question.

According to the web search results, the **OLM** stands for **Orbital Launch Mount**, which is the structure that supports the **Starship** and **Super Heavy** vehicles for SpaceX's Starbase launch site in Texas1. The **IFT-1** stands for **Integrated Flight Test-1**, which was the first orbital test flight of Starship that took place on May 22, 20231.

Based on some Twitter posts, it seems that the **scaffolding removal** from the OLM started on April 8, 202346, which was about **six weeks** before the launch date of IFT-1. The scaffolding removal was part of the preparations for the launch rehearsal and the orbital flight test4.

I hope this answers your question. If you need more information, please let me know.

1: https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/05/spacex-progressing-next-flights/
4: https://twitter.com/watchstarbase/status/1644512472332931075
6: https://twitter.com/LifeboatHQ/status/1644747216945393666

>>15541977
I guess anons are obsolete. Chatbots are better conversationalists, not to mention far more useful.

>>15541977
learn how to speak respectfully

>>15541963
Astra stock will be delisted in 4 months, and bankrupt by the end of q3

>>15542001
Wrong

>>15542001
Investors already approved the reverse stock split though, so unless I'm missing something they should be able to avert that.
Bankrupt by end of Q3 still yes

>>15541969
>Workers removing scaffolding from the OLM
Why lie?

>>15541932
Yeah i've failed this before
100% straight narural born male btw

>>15541932
Easy.

>>15542001
How can company survive for so long without making money?

>>15542020
liquids and solids tend to the bottom, whereas air and fire tend toward the top UNLESS an obstacle (freefall) gets in the way