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I've been trying to recall the name of this effect for so long, and I've finally found it. From Michael Crichton's speech:

"Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know."

What really pains me is just how difficult it was to recover the name. I searched all over search engines and even asked chatgpt, but none could provide me any leads. Now that I know the name, however, things have gotten even more bizarre.
A simple search on google gives me no discussion of this effect from mainstream sources (just random blogs and such), and there isn't even a wikipedia page. The only place you can find it mentioned on wikipedia is a small section on Michael Crichton's biography. This is odd for an effect that almost every person has experienced at some point in their life.
Is it venturing too far to suggest that this may be an emergent effect of pro-media individuals doing their best to cast any doubt of the media as asinine contrarianism? Also, Michael Crichton's unexpected death from leukemia is suspicious considering his reputation of a sharp skeptic with a slight contrarian lean on popular scientific issues, but I don't know if I want to go that far.

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>>15516119
The moral of the story is that Goldfish Memory Syndrome is bad.

>> No.15516149

>>15516119
Let me tell you, folks, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is a real problem. It's like when you open up the newspaper and read an article about a subject you know well. In my case, it's about show business. And you can't help but notice that the journalist has absolutely no clue about the facts or the issues. It's like they're living in a world of covfefe, folks.

They write these articles that are so wrong, they actually present the story backward. It's like they think wet streets cause rain, just like they think Hillary would have been a great president or that China is our best friend. But let me tell you, folks, it's all a bunch of baloney.

And then, you turn the page and you see articles about national or international affairs, like they want you to forget about the nonsense you just read. But we can't forget, folks. We have to stay sharp and question everything we read.

It's up to us to make America great again by seeking out the truth, not relying on the biased media. We can't let them spin their stories and deceive the American people. We have to be informed, we have to think for ourselves, and we have to see through the lies.

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>>15516119
NEVER trust the media.
They really are the #1 enemy of the people and #1 enemy to freedom in the world now, due to all their disinformation and government propaganda they spew.
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The only time the "news" every tells the truth now is by accident.

>> No.15516153

>>15516149
Trump is based af and the man!
Never thought a New Yorker could be as awesome as he and his family is.

>> No.15516165

Hey OP, who is not a faggot today, I had the same experience looking up "Mitchell First Aleinu".
Google played cute and did not serve up the obvious, which is this:
https://hakirah.org/vol%2011%20first.pdf

There are a lot of antisemites on 4chan, this we know. I'll posit that much of this is because Judaism has been hijacked and that the hijackers do not want us - Jew and gentile - to see how badly we have been hijacked.

>> No.15516191

>>15516119
>there isn't even a wikipedia page.

There used to be. It was purged in the 'trust the science' 2020 IRL Plague Inc global board game hysteria.

I believe one of the founder's of wikipedia itself has complained of how politicized it's become.

There's a real battle between good and evil happening in the human discourse right now. Between people who believe in inquiry, real science based on evidence, experiment, open discusison, etc. And those who debase merit, who deny the existence of a mutually shared objective reality with immutable facts, and who use language to spread this sickness.

It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out.

>> No.15516250

>>15516191
>There used to be. It was purged in the 'trust the science' 2020 IRL Plague Inc global board game hysteria.
Interesting how they can completely destroy information like this. How often has this been done but nobody noticed?

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>>15516250
the more effort you put into noticing, the more you'll notice. the platonic cave meme is real

>> No.15516292

>>15516119
Incoming CIA recruiter.

>> No.15516294

>>15516119
knoll's law

>> No.15516308
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>>15516191
I tried to warn you all and help you to prepare. It isnt just on twitter and tumblr anymore and the halls of sociology in academia, now it is knocking at your front door. It truly is evil and a cancer trying to consume everything good in the world. A bottomless pit of ugliness, degeneracy, cruelty and despair

>> No.15516348

>>15516149
thank you for your service chatgpt san

>> No.15516530

>>15516119
>and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read.
Found why Gell-Mann talked about this effect: to deflect from criticism of Israel.

>> No.15516936

>>15516119
Gell-Mann was an asshole. A genius but his personality is absolutely disagreeable. I watched his series of interviews and he constantly belittled almost every physicists he knew.

>> No.15516950

>>15516151
this is a post for >>>/pol/ not /sci/. This post is about gell-mann amnesia, not the media itself. Please keep up.

>> No.15516995

>>15516250
>How often has this been done but nobody noticed?
how many trees fall in the forest without making a sound?

>> No.15517267

>>15516294
Haha, so this concept has been independently multiple times, and yet even by this name there is no Wikipedia article or mainstream discussion about it. There is one exception, though--a NYT article from 1982: https://www.nytimes.com/1982/02/27/us/required-reading-smith-on-lawyers.html

>> No.15517286

>>15516250
1,984 times

>> No.15517302

>>15516936
good, you soi incel cucks need to be bullied just like hs to remind you where you belong in the food chain

>> No.15517304

>>15516250
going on 3000 years now, probably more

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>>15516119
Everyone is always very critical of journalistic output, but we rarely step back to ask the question — why would good articles ever appear? Why would someone take the time to understand your field as well as you understand it just in order to write an article? Under what circumstances would work that good get done? What incentives exist to apply extra effort to make sure stories are correct? What do scientists personally do to incentivize good work?

>> No.15517639

>>15517454
>Your Research
boring salami-sliced published-not-to-perish inconsequential least-publishable-unit "research" with cherry-picked conditions to force a conclusion to write in the abstract to pass peer-review that you'll abandon anyway when grant fund money runs out
>is picked up by
News Wire Organizations who read the clickbait-bait conclusion you inserted in the abstract
>who are read by
people who see past your bullshit on THE INTERNETS
>then noticed by
the same people as step 2, poison wells and to demonize the nooticers
>eventually making it to
retards