/sci/ - Science & Math

I hate the metric system.

>>15511356

im so hungry bros

>>15511342
>Energia has both better performance to LEO and TLI than SLS block 1 despite being like half the size
The absolute state of SLS

>>15511369
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

>>15511342
Long March 9 won’t be operational until the 2030s with second stage reuse in the 2040s

… how long will it take for Russia to get a Starship clone running

https://www.easternherald.com/2023/04/26/roscosmos-chief-borisov-says-russias-new-super-heavy-rocket-will-be-reusable/

>>15511380
china is going to collapse before then

>>15511356
Imperial is terrible. Base 10 is based.

>>15511366
SLS will also never turn 360 degrees and walk away.

>>15511383
>10 with it's four divisors is better than 12 with its six

>>15511342
What if the Nazis won the war?

>>15511389
well they didn't

>>15511388
Base 12 is only acceptable if you have extra digits like some Louisiana swamp native.

>>15511402
>nooo i need to count on my fingers
do base 10 tards really?

>>15511402
>he hasn't made the switch to dozenal
lmao!

>>15511389
I don't answer what if questions :)

if Xuesen hadn't gone back to red china, china would not have a space program still. facts.
It should be illegal for MIT grads to leave this great country

>>15511359
lmao

>>15511388
>divisors
why do you think this matters?
>inb4 cant into decimals

>"oh huh so we should use metric time then huh science-man??"
>yes

>>15511414
>he can't handle fractions
oof!

>>15511387
Never did Energia either. Polyus did.

>>15511405
You need to teach the system to kids who keep getting dumber every cohort as well.

>>15511380
>>15511382
>>15511410
I literally do not care. Chinese spaceflight sucks ass

>>15511342
I wish we had a third alternate super heavy launch vehicle to Starship and SLS. SLS will only fly one, if not every other year, SpaceX would just be too powerful if it didn't have SHLV competition within the US.

We need a third, maybe fourth for redundancy. China has like 2 or 3 comanies making Starship clones, we need a few more too. But who would make them? New Glenn with massive SRBs strapped to the side?

>>15511382
Any day now

>>15511428
>China
>>15511429
>>15511427

>>15511366
>trusting russian numbers
also
>thinking a rocket is smaller because the payload is mounted to the side

>>15511410
>china would not have a space program still
Their space program was built on Soviet hardware and former Soviet rocket engineers so I doubt it

>>15511432
Yeah, I really don't give a shit about your subhuman reddit nigger ass spamming up the thread in protest.

>>15511428
New Glenn will be a super heavy lift, though on the low end like Falcon Heavy.

I find it funny that abl wants to launch from all these places, it will probably take them years to launch a single rocket from each

>>15511439
Now that's some seethe right there.
I do not care about chinese faggot rockets and you should cry about it.

>>15511433
NASA had a full investigation of it in the early 90's as they were potentially buying flights so trust that then. When in the fuck did these threads get flooded with these retarded tourists?

>>15511443
I really don't care. I just care that you shit up the thread by mass replying like an absolute fucking subhuman retard rather than just using filters.

>>15511446
NASA was not potentially buying flights on Energia, NASA was interested in Soviet rocket engines.

holy fuck what in the 60s soviets were seriously saying 'fuck da moon, let's do a manned flyby of venus'
wat

>>15511209
>>15511329
>non tethered micro submersible
what were they thinking?

>>15511456
Lurk more you newfag retard. This shit has been discussed to death already. Anobpdy got that pdf with the investigation? It even had the estimated dollar price and everything.

>>15511468
Only have a page from it.

>>15511475
>when the citation you referenced undercuts your claim

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1670908588473155585
>Supporting Neutron to first launch are our facilities like this Neutron test stand, ready to receive a full-scale second stage tank for structural & cryogenic testing in the coming weeks.

>>15511484
Explain

>>15511485
Looks like a dollar store Die Glocke test stand in Poland.

>>15511487
A figure of how much Energia cost per launch in a study of Soviet rockets after the fall of the Iron Curtain is not NASA being interested in buying launches on Energia.

>>15511490
>moving the goalpost this fucking hard
Offer anything substantial that they Soviets actually lied about the performance?

>>15511209
>One of Blue Origin's newest astronauts, 49-year-old Glen de Vries, survived a ride to space alongside actor William Shatner. But less than a month later, he was killed in a small plane crash i New Jersey.
and now
>Hamish Harding went into space last year with Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin company. The British billionaire explorer is feared to be on board the missing Titanic tourist submarine somewhere in the depths of the Atlantic Ocean.
BO is fucking cursed

>>15511501
meanwhile VG is killing passengers with old age before they can even fly

>>15511501
>people who are willing ride on one sketchy experimental craft are likely to ride on other sketchy experimental crafts
you'd almost expect it to happen more

>>15511505
How can the EU stop this?

>>15511507
or maybe bezos is killing them after they threatened to come forward

"Space" isnt real. Youre all also probably globecels.

>>15511512
lol didn't read

>>15511508
What?

>>15511512
I believe in the sphere Earth

>>15511467
When you get deep enough, the weight of the tether becomes too much.

>>15511522
neutral buoyancy tether?

How long would it take to get citizenship in the US and can you go work for a rocket company the day after you get it?

My manager offered me an opportunity today for an intra-company transfer to the US branch. It would be on an L1-B which is dual intent and I've always wanted to work on space shit. Anyone here done anything like this / looked into it / know someone who's done this sort of thing?

>>15511501
Can't splat the Shat.

>>15511525
I have a friend that got his green card, and within a year was working for ULA

>>15511525
Not in your position but as a person with dual citizenship I would take any opportunity to work in the US. Sorry can't offer any advice but congratulations brother

>>15511527
how long did it take him to go from arrive in US to green card?

>>15511530
uh like 6 years

>>15511526
Does he really?

>>15511467
This poor man has now been roasted on /sfg/ for
a) not taking enough risk (flying on Jeff’s carnival ride) and
b) taking too much risk (getting killed by the Titanic wreckage)
Exploring is based, especially when it comes with risks.

>>15511475
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19940028594/downloads/19940028594.pdf
I thought I recognized that! That's from the Advanced Transportation System Study. It's less about a genuine American interest in buying Energia launches and more about comparing the capabilities and economics of high-end soviet rockets to the NLS vehicle that NASA and friends were sketching out back in 1991.

>>15511490
They considered it as a potential ride for Cassini, but quickly concluded that while Energia was capable of a direct trajectory flight to Saturn there were too many technical unknowns for it to be considered seriously, and it was unlikely that Russia retained the ability to launch it anyway. They were interested, but that didn't mean they didn't have realistic expectations about it.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Final_Environmental_Impact_Statement_for/o1jrxUyfuGgC

>>15511442
It's literally me tooing Astra's plans.

>>15511534
Do you really believe everything you read on the internet?

>>15511442
>Camden
No one is launching from Camden. That's NIMBY country.

>>15510891
Paywalling info about your company is Arca tier. At least people care enough about SpaceX to share.

>>15511240
infectious enthusiasm

>>15511534
>>15511602
That tweet is real, but it isn't Shatner running the account. It's one of his nephews or grandsons. I can't remember which, but there are pictures of the two of them together.

>>15511656
No, I choose to believe Shatner has opinions about Love Live.

if only there was some way to get a deep sea rescue vehicle up to 100 tons to any point on earth in 30 minutes...

>>15511690
Yes, as well all know Starship can land in the middle of bumfuck nowhere ocean with no land in sight.

>>15511697
That's the OFT-1 flight plan.

>>15511697
it can though
you just need a way to deploy the payload and willingness to expend the ship itself

>>15511369
SpaceX will succeed.

>>15511701
>>15511702
Sometimes I forget this general is filled with drooling retards.

>>15511753
translation: your ass got served. bon appetit

>>15511760
Nigger

Why don't they give starship two hulls, with something like 11 psi of pressure in the intermediate space between the outer hull and crew cabin which could be pressurized to 16 psi and not have to deal with the bullshit of relieving the cabin from sea level to space. And also not have massive outward pressure on those giant windows

Or am I retarded

>>15511816
You are retarded

Why isn't this possible?

>>15511602
no, i only belief the stuff that confirms my biases

>>15511836
tfw live on the short side

>>15511836
that isn't to scale

>>15511836
mars is flat, also earth has a dome

>>15511836
All planets are circular discs facing eachother head on

>>15511836
Only Earth is a hologram. All the other planets are real.

uh ohhhhhh

>>15511869
You can conquer space, you can conquer everest, you cannot conquer the oceans

>>15511816
>just make it twice as heavy bro

>>15511944
Space is... hard??

>>15511467
They were not
https://invidious.nl/watch?v=29co_Hksk6o
https://www.geekwire.com/2020/oceangate-raises-18m-build-bigger-submersible-fleet-get-set-titanic-trips/#:~:text=Rush%20said%20tests%20that%20were,the%20Titanic%2C%E2%80%9D%20Rush%20said

>>15511889
Sea is hard

>>15511557
he's not exploring shit lol

>>15511557
Jeff's carnival ride is still far safer than anything that goes that deep
You barely have time to scream once the structure starts to fail

If I shined a flashlight at a black dwarf, would it just look like a rock or what?

>>15512003
>hes talking about midget spooks

>>15512000
Yeah I'll be going to a Boeing any day before riding in a 100atm pressure crush death box.

>>15512003
first lets talk about how we reach the black dwarf and land on it

i looked up black dwarf i dont think we can land on it guys

>>15512020
every poster on this thread has looked up blacked dwarf before youre not alone

>>15512023
LMAO

>>15512020
Why not? It's just a cold dead star.

>>15512030
idk it's a degenerate matter

>>15512040

>>15511836
Based normies shitting on the dumbest glowop

>>15511836

>>15512106
What the fuck is that between Neptune and Pluto?

>>15512115
https://youtu.be/6gCUsOfgjvs
https://youtu.be/0sd2ahUfi9Y

>>15512115
Please refrain from making posts that are extremely dangerous to OUR democracy

SpaceX loves off the shelf components, do you think they would use a $20 controller for spacecraft?

>>15512134
The Dragon UI is written in JavaScript on a touchscreen. The manual controls are robust because they're only there as emergency backups.

>>15512115
Is this bait?

>>15511501
whatever happened to OceanX? kek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7kRzToIXVc

apparently some new info about something, not sure if its about SpaceX

>>15512153
>27 minutes
>soi faggot

Give us tl;dr you ape nigger

>>15512153
Fuck off, not spaceflight

Angery Astronaut has shat the fucking bed
>shilling Avi Loeb's latest grift

>>15512167
Whatever Mick

https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1671005129229697024
wait his students are a bunch of young fertile chinese girls?

6-8 weeks

>>15511405
you can easily count on base 12 on your fingers
0 is putting you hand down, 1 is closed fist, 2 is fist + 1 finger etc.
or
you use thumb to count on tips and the two joints (on the other hand you count how many dozens you have) - that way you can count to 144

>>15511402
base 12 would require 2 extra numerals, not fingers

>>15511420
actually it's proven that smartphone adoption at young age enhances numerical literacy

>>15512192
guy looks like Thulsa Doom
It's not that surprising he has a harem of brainwashed exotic slave girls- I mean female inclusive unpaid internship students of diverse backgrounds

>>15511380
>… how long will it take for Russia to get a Starship clone running
somewhere between infinite and never

>>15512134
sure. if it works there is no point in reinventing the wheel. it looks like retards on the chans have never seen military hardware piloted by xbox controllers before and think every piece should be a 3billion cost plus contract grift with boeing/lockheed

>>15512134
As long as they have a second redundant controller

>>15512235
Gamer zogbots controlling reaper drones don't have their lives depending on a single Bluetooth controller and I'm pretty sure they have spares on the side you dumb faggot.

>>15512167
>Creators who only hunt viewer counts for $200.

Any of you guys into Telescopes? Seems like a fun hobby and I'm interested in getting into them

>>15512153
long term goal is to produce methane with renewables, when asked if the ecological focus of Tesla carries over to SpaceX too (the rockets use a lot of fuel said the interviewer)
I think this has been said before though
musk says there are no real collateral damage from the Starship explosion, nothing really lives on the salt ponds

>>15512272
>the rockets use a lot of fuel said the interviewer

This is the gayest fucking shit, my response would be; what about every celebrity climate change supporting faggot nigger cruising around the globe in their private jets? What about the thousands of gigantic transport ships burning crude bunker oil to deliver megatonnes of Chinese plastic toys from one side of the globe to the other.

I hate them, firing squads for all "journalists"

>>15512233
This has to be the weirdest cargo cult occurrence ever; look at how precise and symmetric the underlying rebar structure is. Even most fabrication shops in the first world would be hard pressed to do any better. They obviously had access to metalworking tools and welders, and moreover had a good grasp of structural engineering - and then... straw. Who the fuck built that?

>>15511557
The more I read about this "sub" the more this sounds less like sailors of old discovering the new world and more like your mate bob built a boat to go discover australia in 2023 and you end up sinking after an hour in the atlantic.

https://spacenews.com/boeing-ceo-says-company-still-committed-to-starliner/

> In an interview on the “Check 6” podcast by Aviation Week published June 16, Dave Calhoun said that Boeing was not “shutting the door” on Starliner after the company postponed the first crewed flight of the vehicle that had been scheduled for late July.

> “We’re not shutting the door on it in any way, shape or form,” Calhoun said of Starliner. “We intend to do it — make money on it — but we’re going to let the market and our customer let that play out, and we’ll see what happens.”

https://aviationweek.com/podcasts/check-6/podcast-record-boeings-ceo

>>15512282
How much fuel to cover entire world in fiber connections, compared to total use for starlink

https://spacenews.com/indonesias-satria-1-deploys-solar-panels-ahead-of-geostationary-trip/

> It will take about five months for Indonesia’s first very high throughput (VHTS) satellite to reach its 146 degrees East orbital slot via onboard electric propulsion, Thales Alenia Space spokesperson Sandrine Bielecki said.

> The $545 million satellite is slated to start providing around 150 gigabits per second of capacity across the thousands of islands in the Indonesian archipelago, and surrounding areas, by early 2024.

https://www.thespacereview.com/index.html

>>15512310
>ping status
>not mentioned

Kek

>>15512307
How the hell do they intend to make profit from this mess at this point?

Submarine bros...it's our time to shine

>>15512313
maybe trying to pressure NASA or congress through lobbying to make it cost+ instead of keeping it fixed cost
jim free shitting on fixed cost might be an indication of this

>>15512318
>The pedobuster 2000

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4605/1

> In the second scenario, NASA’s budget would fall to $19.8 billion, 22% below its 2023 level. Many of the science missions facing delays in the first scenario would now be in danger of cancellation, NASA argued. There would be a “substantially increased risk to U.S. presence” in low Earth orbit by delaying the deorbit tug and commercial space station work while also cutting back on cargo flights to the ISS. The cuts would also threaten Artemis 4 and “defer lunar exploration beyond Artemis IV.”

> Nelson was also forced to defend, at both that Senate hearing and one the next day by House appropriators, a potential cut in the Dragonfly mission to Saturn’s moon Titan. Nelson said that the mission was still on schedule for a 2027 launch, although project officials later said they were evaluating the effects of the proposed cut on the mission.

>>15512319
Imagine Jimmy trying to argue for paying Boeing money they aren't owned and all it would take to make him cry is one congress man grilling him on stage

>>15512313
by just being there they keep other stuff like Dream Chaser out, they just forgot it wasn't cost plus

>>15511505
lol

>>15512272
>when asked if the ecological focus of Tesla carries over to SpaceX
“Yeah, I’m the only one who doesn’t drop every single rocket I launch into the ocean when I’m done with it.”

Check yo weldin’

>>15512323
>ONE BILLION DOLLARS
>FOR A FUCKING DE-ORBIT MODULE
just fucking shoot it with an ASAT and eat whatever kesslerization(nothingburger) happens; by 2030 with falcon/starship you can replace whatever losses easily enough
every day I find that my already infinite hatred for NASA officials grows a little bit more that I didn't believe possible

>>15512373
the chinese quantum spaceflight dragon has developed new technology unknown to west of drop the rocket on small village, ecology friends and very education.

>>15511380
I doubt they will even try to work on a starship clone until after the war is over and they have money to spend on something other than the military.

>>15511382
2 more weeks by my calculations.

>>15512271
expensive unrewarding hobby

will an ISO 608 bearings be enough for a 3 kg flywheel spinning at 8000 rpm?

its dead this week. america is on holiday.

>The "Uran" battalion, which translates to Uranus, is to be made up of employees of Roscosmos, as well as those from its dozens of state-owned subsidiaries in the aerospace business. Recruits will receive a 100,000 ruble ($1,200) sign-up bonus, and a monthly frontline duty salary of 270,000 rubles, according to the report. This is far above the wages paid to most employees of Roscosmos.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/06/it-appears-that-roscosmos-really-is-recruiting-soldiers-for-the-ukraine-war/

definitely a slow week. OOF nonetheless.

>>15512427
>This is far above the wages paid to most employees of Roscosmos.

>>15512427
Thats banger pay. Hope it works out for them

>>15512423
what holiday?

>>15512427
Damn that is grim and sad. I’m surprised China hasn’t offered some back door deal for all these slavs from RU and UK to just jump ship

>>15512427
And I thought the brain death in Russia were already bad enough with all the Soviet engineers dying off but now they send the new generation to die in a war? How far they have fallen kek. Is there even any better example in modern history of such massive loss of competence in one country?

>>15511501
Good! I hope the curse gets Jeff and the furfag next.

>>15511557
>going up and coming back down a few minutes later
>exploring
Nah, you're fucking retarded

>>15511816
Yep, chromosomes confirmed

>>15512451
China starving it’s entire nation after the great leap forward is up there. Also, Japan getting cocky enough to think they could surprise attack the entire US Naval Fleet in one go. Stalin and Hitler also had some trisomy 21 aces up their sleeves

>>15512208
I use three distinct positions for each finger to count to 242 on one hand

>>15512455
Well it seems like I need to clarify. I don’t think Jeff’s up and down trip is exploring; it is pathetic. The titanic trip is based though.

Bros only 2 more days until Starship spaces

>>15512307
>we’ll see what happens
yeah they're 100% gonna drop it like a rock

>>15512444
"Juneteenth", the day we celebrate 1/3 of our income being taxed to pay niggers to raise more niggers, riot and destroy cities, rape and murder anyone who is not capable of defending themselves, cause the budgets of police organizations to explode, make healthcare unaffordable for everyone, and complain about how they're not being given enough.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1671145983542009856

>>15512483
Thundersisters... how do we cope?

The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15512483
>>>
at least the antenna isn't made out of hay

>>15512483
why cant black people just learn to copy. they appear to be "special needs" as they say

>>15512486
Wow imagine devoting as much brainpower to nonsense as anon

>>15512483
Sadly, Elon isn't racist enough... yet

ariane 5 when?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EsqMLT0Hzw
>Was Starship’s Stage Zero a Bad Pad?

>>15512298
>Who the fuck built that?
John Frum teach fella get plenty cargo

Imagine black people but on the moon.

i think Luna is where ghosts live

In light of the Titanic sub loss, do you think there will be a market for sending rich idiots down to the surface of Venus in wonky pressure vessels?

>>15512589
surface pressure on venus is 74 atm compared to titanic wreck at 400atm.

>>15512553
Great channel

>>15512593
So, repeat customers? This is promising!

>>15512323
Cut out the funding for SLS Block 2. The cargo SLS is nonsense. No one needs that or wants it

Nobody ever tells me how you plan to get back in to orbit from a cloud city on Venus. You gonna rock the city a fuck ton? Or maybe just destroy it all together?

>>15512611
i think the heat is a bigger problem

>>15512589
I'm a poor idiot and I'd gladly take the risk.

>>15512620
use an electron roggot, venus orbit rendezvous with Hot Dragon

>>15512589
I was about to be a smartass about the temperature but
https://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1113413770/venus-poles-discovery-042316/

>the ESA’s Venus Express probe revealed that the polar regions have a surface temperature of -250 degrees Fahrenheit (-250 Celsius / 116 Kelvin), making them far colder than any point here on Earth.
What in fuck.

>>15512629
damn so basically venus isnt hard at all if you land in the right spot

>>15512627
>electron has 300kg to leo
>venus gravity is essentially the same as earth
>electron is still a fucking rocket that will fuck up the city
great plan idiot, tell me when you make that 200kg capsule and the let me know when electron is reusable, oh wait it never will be!!

>>15512637
>74 atm
>not hard at all
lol. lmao.

>>15512642
Dyel faggot

>>15512638
dont need a capsule, dont even need life support. as elon said in 2011, anyone can survive the trip to ISS in cargo dragon. a very minimal pressure vessel is fine

>>15512642
we've built manned pressure vessels for 1000 atm

>>15512629
Easier to heat electronics than to cool them.
Why haven't we exploited this yet?

>>15512645
>cargo dragon is still 6000 kg
Shut the fuck up retard

>>15512629
so if its like 250C on the equator or something and -250C on the poles, shouldn't there be some zone with temperatures around 0C?

>>15512629
https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Images/2009/07/The_new_temperature_map_of_Venus_southern_hemisphere

>The map comprises over a thousand individual images, recorded between May 2006 and December 2007, from a distance of about 60 000 km. Because Venus is covered in clouds, normal cameras cannot see the surface, but Venus Express used a particular infrared wavelength that can see through them. The new data are consistent with suspicions that the highland plateaus of Venus are ancient continents, once surrounded by ocean and produced by past volcanic activity.

>The map is centred at the South Pole. The measured temperatures range from 442°C (or 715K), red to 422°C (or 695K) blue; higher temperatures correspond to lower altitudes, while lower temperature correspond to higher altitudes.

So which is it

>>15512653
the point is you just need air

>>15512652
JPL doesnt make any money with venus

>>15512427
>>15512440
>>15512451
>>15512446
I’m pretty sure this isn’t a PMC but rather an actual security company subsidiary of Roscosmos that provides normal security for their own launch sites and offices in Russia and Kazakhstan as the idea that a rocket company would form a mercenary group and send it’s engineers and scientists into a war zone is so fucking retarded that the fact people on here of all places take obvious tabloid bullshit at face value makes me so disappointed in the intelligence of people here or it’s just tourist retards trying some kind of psyop like on the other boards.

>>15512665
JPL doesn't make money at all.

>>15512629
Goddamn popsci journotrash
https://www.nature.com/articles/nphys3733>
>Recent observations by the Venus Express SPectroscopy for the Investigation of the Characteristics of the Atmosphere of Venus (SPICAV) and Solar Occultation in the InfraRed (SOIR) instruments found thermosphere temperatures at high latitudes near 130–140km of around 120K (refs 8,9), consistent with our value.
So it's cold at 130km altitude

>>15512645
yep, and fuel is no problem if you can just call a truck in to bring in a load... oh wait

>>15512666
>I’m pretty sure this isn’t a PMC but rather an actual security company subsidiary of Roscosmos
>I’m pretty sure
okay Satan, then I won't bother asking you for any further supporting evidence, if it's good enough for Satan, it's good enough for me

>>15512671
oh yes they fucking do lmao

>>15512622
It is. Being submerged in a 79atm fluid at 600K would take cooling systems akin to the Magma Diver setup in Evangelion, run all the way up to cooler layers of the atmosphere.

>>15512620
Toroidal cities with launchpads in the center.

Community Notes has gone too far. Elon must be cancelled.

>>15512674
what are we waiting for

>>15512666
It's not sending engineers, it's sending the guys who work in the factories building rockets, because this war has crushed Russia's ability to sell commercial launches, so they need less manpower.

>>15512684
so you admit that temperature is the only problem. thanks for agreeing with me. we can solve temperature by arriving at night

>>15512685
off topic, bait non-spaceflight post.

>>15512620
Why you need to leave citizen

Well, do you think this is the case here?

I think the responses to space tourtist death will be low higher especially if its a high profile company like SpaceX.

>>15512693
Nights are over 100 days long so we might need to heat the vehicle somehow

>>15512710
it will have a crowd of people basically repeating Reagan's speech after challenger. rah rah they were brave space is for the courageous rah. nothing will change, an investigation will take place and design fixes will be implemented. such is life.

>>15512719
Delusional, the situation is completely different when it's not a government agency at fault.

>>15512710
If you don't agonize about literal who communist twitter opinions then it will be just fine.

>>15512714
The coldest and highest spot on Venus is Maxwell Montes at 716°F and only 45 bar pressure. That will be our home

>>15512723
not really. Look at aviation pre-1914. so many deaths and crashes. didn't halt growth of the industry.

>>15512725
greg autry is a paragon commercial space advocate. He almost managed to become CFO of NASA after his nomination to the post by Trump, unfortunately too late in his presidency. Congress did not bring it to a vote. Autry is currently trying to infiltrate the FAA

>>15512692
Literally no evidence they are sending anyone to the war because it’s not a PMC but a security company to stop retards wandering onto launch sites without permission. It’s like calling whatever company provides security for spacex a PMC. And I refuse to believe anyone to believe anyone is dumb enough to think Russia would create a PMC specifically for random engineers associated with Roscosmos to use them as soldiers rather than just offering them contracts with the normal military or Wagner.

>>15512727
FAA and NTSB didnt exist back then you fucking moron. They are frothing at the mouth to start regulating manned commercial spaceflight. Currently there is a hold on new laws, and that will expire soon

>>15512727
Gov will not hesitate to come down hard on spacex if they cause casualties, there will be no sympathetic voices waxing lyrical on the spirit of exploration, those are reserved for when gov is responsible. On the contrary: they won't hesitate to condemn spacex and demand both a settlement with the families of those involved and strict regulations.

>>15512741
>>15512742
What laws and regulations?
Falcon 9 and Dragon are certified safe.
There isn't anything to do other than fix what caused the accident.

>>15512740
Wagner is politically unpopular due to their leader constantly shit talking the Russian MoD (picrel) and was rendered combat ineffective by taking severe losses near Bakhmut. The MoD can't offer this level of bribe for regular military service, so it's either these specialty PMCs or a general mobilization, which would require a formal declaration of war instead of muh Special Military Operation. It doesn't matter what you believe or don't, this is reality.

>>15512659
AAAAH WE GOT ROBBED WHAT A GAY SHIT PLANET WE COULD HAVE HAD A BACKUP EARTH RIGHT NEXT DOOR

>>15512723
lol, virgin galactic had a pilot die and they just flew like a few days ago
it will be different, probably easier than being a government agency
the people riding on these things will sign a waiver

>>15512749
https://groundbasedspacematters.com/index.php/2023/03/01/moratorium-on-regulating-human-spaceflight-aka-the-learning-period
There is currently a moratorium on human spaceflight regulation that expires 1st October 2023. SpaceX can kiss their cadence goodbye after that

>>15512758
>had a pilot die
almost 10 fucking years ago

>>15512760
>>15512765
concern troll faggot. lmao

Biden has been the best president in history for spaceflight and /sfg/ just cant handle that. The FAA has been helping SpaceX

>>15512768
>Biden has been the best president in history for spaceflight
delusional
>The FAA has been helping SpaceX
true

>>15512771
Trumptard

>>15512765
yeah, people die and they know there is a risk they will die
if you look at that sub thing, nobody gives a fuck they died (or are about to die), people are laughing at the controller etc
these people knew the risks
do people cry when basejumpers and people playing other risky sports? no they don't
fuck off

>>15512776
deranged

>>15512768
lmao

>>15512771
It's actually highly likely that the FAA wont grant SpaceX another Starship license after OFT put the public at danger. at least ground them for a few years

>>15512789
>It's actually highly likely that the FAA wont grant SpaceX another Starship license after OFT put the public at danger
i can tell you're a redditor by that statement alone.
it's absolutely not likely.

>>15512791
Doesnt matter if I'm a redditor, I'm team space

so we've figured out that the Mexican viewing area is the way to go right? for the next launch?

>>15512553
shitty video. what a massive waste of time. add this guy to the pile of regurgitated content channels

>>15512795
>believing the telephoto jew
closest spot is raptor roost but you have to suck off labpadre to be there.

>>15512795
Sure, if you don't mind rubbing elbows with cartelistas.

>>15512793
you are a retard

>>15512795
Bro so many people are terrified of Mexico. There's zero reported incidents in that area but EDA, NSF, and the Redditors are terrified and beg people not to watch the launch from there. I think they are secretly coping because they are piss scared and know that the views from there are god tier and dont want anyone to have what they cant

>>15512798
Raptor roost is much further than the view from Mexico. Mexico is 2 miles inside the FAA exclusion zone

>>15512800
You're an immature child. But I pity you

>>15512795
if you want to get kidnapped by a cartel, yes

>>15512796
yeah I thought there would actually be some insight like in the previous starbase video where he talked about dewatering and sinking of the ground etc
but this time there was absolutely nothing new, not even speculation
most of the video was talking about absolutely basic stuff and launch pads in florida
I guess it would be a lot of new information to people that don't know anything about this

>>15512801
what the fuck are you talking about?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/americans-who-survived-matamoros-cartel-kidnapping-break-silence-nightmare-mexico

I thought cartels don't kidnamp American tourists because it's bad for business

https://youtu.be/X3-HLcfHNi4
all these thousands of mexican onlookers were never seen again after this day. they were last seen being loaded into a cartel schoolbus

>>15512807
you are dumb and wrong, it wasn't an insult, it was my assessment of your mental abilities based on your speculation about the issues you talked about

>>15512801
Reminder that I will shoot a racketeer or otherwise unsavoury individual on sight.

>>15512811
Hey, what can I say, sucks being a cute girl in Mexico :)

>>15512814
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/09/1162460221/mexico-matamoros-kidnapping-victims-bodies-returned

I mean do whatever you want man

>>15512813
There is no tourism in that part of Mexico. even Brownsville itself is a huge shithole

>>15512820
>Shaeed
>Zindell

>>15512820
>waaaaaa they died
Space is hard.

>>15512823
> risk getting tortured and beheaded by a mexican cartel so you can see a Starship launch 50m closer

>>15512825
yes

>>15512825
2 miles closer. 3 miles away from 33 raptors

>>15512755
Anon you are clearly a tourist here from either reddit or some other retard from /k/. Literally no evidence of any Roscosmos PMC operating in Ukraine and the only mention of such a PMC is from retards on reddit or tabloid rags and since you clearly indulge in both from the absolute state of your post I think we know where you came from.

Please kys you nafo tranny and remove yourself from a general about space flight if all you have to talk about is your unnatural desire to steer every conversation into an opportunity to talk about how your proxies are getting shit on and how their offensive failed once again and is now “paused” until they drag enough conscripts of the streets for another human wave.

>>15512457
what was yamamoto thinking, like what was the best outcome after Pearl Harbor lol

>>15512828
go the fuck back to /pol/
seriously

>>15512313
>>15512307
It's no longer about profit, but about maintaining the integrity of their faltering reputation. If they buck out of the Starliner program, it will be an indefensible reputation hit on capital hill. Politicians will back a losing horse as long as its still in the race. But if the horse gives up, its over for that horse. FOREVER. SpaceX has already crossed the finish line of the race after having lapped this horse. What's worse is that the next race is starting soon, and the horse that won, its offspring is going to get to the starting line very soon. Boeing has until just before that happens to cross the finish line, or they're politically in very hot water for a long time to come.

If Starship gets to orbit and returns from orbit without RUD and lands in water successfully all in one mission profile before the end of the year, it makes the minority in NASA that's in a leadership positioning making noise about how fixed price is bad and cost-plus is good (which Boeing was banking on with Starliner through side channels and back channels because they assumed SpaceX would fuck up and fail), will be told to sit down and shut the fuck up.

They're racing against the clock where cost-plus ever increasingly is being relegated to extinction.

>>15512820
Wasn’t the cartel’s explanation for this basically “whoops we got the wrong guys sorry!” lol

>>15512833
the absolute projection lmao coming from your redditor fingers

>>15512825
if you have nothing to lose, you have nothing to hide

>>15512837
why on earth do you think you'll get any sympathy here as a drooling zigger? fuck off to /pol/ or shut the fuck up and discuss spaceflight

>>15512616
Boeing does. They're building the core stages after all. The hole Starliner is burning in their pocket needs to be fixed somehow.

>>15512828
>nafo
what does this mean? also you sound like a faggot

>>15512840
How's about you go first, hmm?

>>15512843
it means he's a /pol/ retard contrarian, therefore he must support whatever the west doesn't support. therefore he supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine. it's sad and pathetic and best just not to reply and report, and move on.

>>15512838
>if you have nothing to *ACK*

spaceflight only below this post ∨

I met my neighbor today, she is an old lady who works for Boeing. Nonstop she was shitting on them and described the horrors of the last 20-30 years mismanagement and mentioned the Indian outsourcing.

>>15512847
that guy had a lot to lose, his head for one

>>15512842
Let Boeing fund their own if they want to build a cargo variant.

>>15512858
>not the super heavy arrangement
sneed

>>15512831
Yamamoto was thinking a war with the US was unwinnable so making us flinch first and not commit forces was Japan's only prayer of survival. He was also a former carrier captain so he knew the value in taking out our carriers if he could.

>>15512834
Boing! is a dead end airliner shop. Even their latest NASA X-plane is "hurr durr 737 sized plane with better fuel efficiency." Meanwhile Lockheed's latest NASA X-plane is about smoothing out sonic booms to allow overland flight again. Pic related.

>>15512828
Malding about /k/ is the mark of leftypol. Go back.

>>15512858
we just not gonna mention the moon is shrink?

>rivian bent the knee
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/06/rivian-is-the-next-automaker-to-adopt-teslas-charging-plugs/

now that tesla is making elon even wealthier, will he finally use that wealth for spacex instead of something dumb like twitter?

>>15512846
>>15512843
>>15512833
Thank you for revealing yourselves you absolute retards. I could tell instantly you weren’t from here but now we know for certain. Fuck off back to r*ddit you bottom feeding cretins and go try your pathetic psyops on those retards or do you want to get humiliated on here just like what happened on /pol/ or /k/?

Also I notice you didn’t argue about your heroes getting annihilated in another failed offensive so I guess this is where you ran to after getting ran out of the other boards.

Truly pathetic.

>>15512865
kek. this is the collagefag btw

>>15512864
you can only pour concrete so fast

>>15512864
>arstechnica
>not berger
Shit article. 100% guaranteed.

>>15512864
It’s not so much bending the knee as it is recognizing that standardization can be a good thing. Hell, future rovers are probably gonna use a damn tesla standard eventually

>>15512868
you misspelled "arsetechnica"
hope this helps!

OK that's enough seed and feed general for one day

>>15512870
space docking standards and suit connectors needs to be standardized. docking is sort of but I'm pretty sure the Chinese have a weird variant of the IDA type

>>15512858
Daily reminder the Moon is a planet and Pluto is not

>>15512876
God that was funny. Arse like .... ASSS?? LMAO FUCK

michio kaku is out of control

daily reminder the barycenter of the solar system is outside of the sun's diameter
we're a binary system

>>15512882
What's he done now

>>15512882
elaborate

>>15512885
>>15512887
off topic, but i do find everything about michio kaku to be hilarious, along with the normies gagging on his cock. it's just so funny
https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=7321
https://youtu.be/wBBnfu8N_J0?t=2328

>>15512879
>The IAU definition for “planet” requires that a body meet three criteria to qualify as a planet. The body must: 1) orbit the sun; 2) be massive enough to self-gravitate into a spherical shape; and 3) dynamically dominate or “clear” its orbital zone. While the Earth-moon system does not meet the proposed orbital barycenter definition for a double planet, it can be verified that the Moon does meet all three requirements for planethood as defined by the IAU even though it has not been included on the IAU list of planets. The omission of a body, the Moon, that qualifies as a planet according to the criteria of the IAU definition for “planet” can be addressed with one or more of the following changes: 1) adding the Moon to the list of planets as the Solar System’s 9 th planet; or 2) re- fining the definition of planet with additional criteria the Moon does not meet; or 3) adding definitions for “double planet” and “satellite” to the IAU taxonomy.
Because of a definition change, the US is the first nation to be boots down on another planet.
Commies fucking lose again.

>>15512883
No way

Holy shit it sucks to be on page 1 of /sci/ where all the /sci/zos can drive by to drop their off-topic "funny" turds and flerfing.

>>15512890
michio kaku is the midwits idea of a some stereotypical genius

>>15512899
>>15512883
It's slightly more complicated than that.

>>15512904
so we've been a binary system since 1993

>>15512908
Only since this year using that incorrect definition.

>>15512904
Why is it doing that when jupiter is like 1% of the mass and the rest don't matter

>>15512903
Never forget:
>The Cassini rocket will be powered by 72 pounds of plutonium — the most ever rocketed into space. Protesters say that if the rocket explodes it could sprinkle deadly poison for hundreds of miles.
>“Winds can blow (plutonium) into Disney World, Universal City, into the citrus industry and destroy the economy of central Florida,” said Michio Kaku, a protesting physics professor from New York. He claimed that casualties could run as high as a million people if there were an accident.

>>15512865
Ive been the only one telling them to go back for weeks and it takes this much for you to notice? They literally post reddit links here all the time

>>15512911
Whoops. 2007? Looks like there's a few different ones of this and some of them are wrong.
>>15512914
The other gas giants are also big enough to matter.

>>15512917
go back newfag

>>15512911
wtf does any of this mean

>>15512918
The other gas giants cant satisfy OP mom

>>15512885
He's making married women uncomfortable

>>15512900
it's called creating a discussion

>>15512924
multi-body physics

>>15512933
how can the 3 body problem exist when relativity works perfectly in all ways

>>15512924
The gravitational center of the soalar system lies outside the sun, sometimes.

>>15512933
I'm not dumb. There has to be something fuck huge out there to be causing that. What are the jews hiding

>>15512914
barycenter depends on both distance and mass so Saturn and the ice giants move it too

>>15512916
Millions of people
? From 72 pounds of Plutonium, in a non-nuclear explosion? It's great that they always interview the most knowledgeable of experts

>>15512935
it doesn't

>>15512936
jupiter is fat

>>15512932

>>15512937
Distance is dumb an gay. The jews are hiding planet x

>slavwar freakout general
I don't care about it, but some of you fags get very butthurt whenever someone mentions uran. Not really worth discussing anyway since there's barely anything known about it.

>>15512937
This tells me that radial velocity is bullshit. not a single scientist on earth can stare at the sun and tell me how many planets are in the solar system AND their masses

>>15512950
Look up the Flyby Anomaly.

>>15512940
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium#Toxicity
>A commonly cited quote by Ralph Nader states that a pound of plutonium dust spread into the atmosphere would be enough to kill 8 billion people.[145] This was disputed by Bernard Cohen, an opponent of the generally accepted linear no-threshold model of radiation toxicity. Cohen estimated that one pound of plutonium could kill no more than 2 million people by inhalation, so that the toxicity of plutonium is roughly equivalent with that of nerve gas.[146]
lol, only 2 million! per pound!

>>15512950
bro we figured it out in like the 1600s with careful ephemeris calculations.

>>15512904
>It's slightly more complicated than that
You're a nigger. There's nothing complicated about it.
>VS0YX

>>15512950
Kek. Yeah. Why can't they find planet x with this.

>>15512911
Just unwind the curves nigga ahaha

>>15512953
shit keeps me up at night

>>15512954
funny how hundreds of pounds of nerve gas have been released and never killed 200 million people.
maybe the calculations are straight up retarded drivel?

>>15512953
MOND fixes this
exercise left to the reader

>>15512962
The quantized inertia solution for it actually works pretty well.

>>15512968
MOND doesn't produce working propellantless thrusters.

>>15512949
There was at least a one minute contemplation on whether or not it was worth it to skrrrrt down that crater

>>15512962
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Flyby_anomaly
it looks like it doesn't exist. Every recent flight with better tracking/sensors/tech have shown no anomaly at all.

>>15512970
>The quantized inertia solution for it actually works pretty well.
Which version? McCulloch keeps saying it solves problems and then when a new problem shows up he reformulates it to solve *that* problem and I don't think he has a consistent one for everything he's thrown the theory at.

>>15512272
https://twitter.com/dvorahfr/status/1671194004153675777

translation and transcript of it

>>15512972
>wekipedia:talk section
I'd trust /x/ with my life more than i'd trust these faggots on anything

>>15512972
Scientist cope. Just addmore free parameters and twist those nipples!

>>15512981
ok now post the bezos interview

>>15512975
There's only one "QI equation" to my knowledge, he's just finding new places to plug it in where the equivalence principle seems to be violated.

>>15512993
who?

>>15512998
QI equation of the gaps

>>15513006
If supersymmetry respecters can do it, why can't Mike?

>>15513005
haha so funny, you posted the reddit meme

>>15513012
Get the fuck outta here Jeff

>>15512993
>>15513012
ywnbaw

>>15513017
who?

>>15513025
post the interview faggot

>>15513009
Particle physicists' obsession with SUSY set the field back by at least 30 years.

>>15512559
They can't breathe. They're all dying of exposure to vacuum. This is great!

>>15513056
>SUSY baka

>>15513042
Look. Basically I'm just not gonna post the interview.
I know.. UGH I know.. IM SORRY!
It's just that I'm not posting it is all. Hahahaha.

>>15512620
Drop the rocket and air launch

i looked up venus, i dont think we can land on it guys

>>15513056
it was so perfect

>>15513080
It was beautiful. But beauty is not truth.

>>15512820
>>15512811
>>15512823
lol, you're right
>be a moor
>go to a place named Moor-killer
>get killed
it's like pottery

based cartelbros

Why is there so much bullshit arbitrary junk in astronomy?

>>15513155
3 examples please

>>15513112
new patron saint of space x just dropped

>Bruno even went so far as to say that by the end of 2025, his company would launch a rocket every other week.
…SIDEKICK

>>15513158
The completely made-up distinction between dwarf planets and planets.

>>15513162
oh you mean arbitrary things like that. same reason Pringles aren't a potato product, you gotta draw the line somewhere

>>15513158
Quasars and pulsars or whatever being the exact same fucking thing, just classified differently based off of how they are orientated relative to us

>>15513158
Someone randomly decided one day that europe was north instead of south

>>15513167
yes and? hurricanes are for the northern hemisphere and typhoons are for the southern or whatever.

>>15513158
Meteoroid, meteor, meteorite

>>15513175
but that's useful
>is it in space, in the atmosphere, or on the ground

>>15513158
Uhhhhhh our model doesn’t work, oh look dark energy and dark matter
>>15513173
This is another stupid fucking distinction

Reminder that private moon landers will go the same route than the titanic sea dick.
The private sector always goes cheap.
Also reminder that modern NASA and modern Boeing took part in the design of the hull.

>>15513173
That's a nonexistent distinction and should be deleted.

>>15513179
>we are currently tracking this meteor
>wow that meteor is bright, look at it go!
>woah my metal detector just found a meteor
Not that confusing. This doesn’t require such a specific naming scheme

>>15513183
what about panthers and leopards

>>15513187
Panther is overarching. Jaguars and Leapords are distinct enough to warrant their own names.

>>15513187
Panthers don't exist. It's a word people use but doesn't actually refer to any specific species of big cat. A generous definition could be "Any species in the clade pantherinae", which would be any big cat like lions, tigers, leopards, jaguars, except for the American "mountain lion" or "cougar", which are in a different clade called felinae which also contains house cats. The animal most often called a "panther" is literally just a leopard.

>>15513195
Jaguars and leopards live on different continents and haven't shared a common ancestor for several million years. They are, however, more closely related to eachother than either are to American mountain lions. Both are in pantherinae, mountain lions are not.

>>15513181
>0.5 bar pressure difference
>live video speed radio communications
>can go outside and fix things
>can be up to 100 tons going up on Starship, huge room for safety margins
>requires FAA and NTSB certification
yeah not even remotely similar.

>>15513195
Big cats are fucking COOL and rockets should be named after them the same way Atari named consoles.
“Yeah I have a Lynx kick stage on my Jaguar rocket”

careful if we bring up cookies vs biscuits the brits will murder us all

>>15513201
No the Nazis did that with tanks so it'd be racist and fascist to do that

>>15513012
bezos is completely irrelevant with respect to spaceflight, might as well post some random flat earther or something
he isn't involved with BO almost at all, never talks about it anyway and BO almost never gives out info
if you have some relevant bezos interview, post it yourself
faggot

>>15513181
back to leftypol

>>15513206
*based and redpilled

>>15513181
like private rockets and airplanes?
retard

>>15513165
>same reason Pringles aren't a potato products
They're literally potato products.
>you gotta draw the line somewhere
Why? There's no reason to make up fake distinctions. Pluto is a natural object in hydrostatic equilibrium, so it's a planet.

>>15513235
not according to our court system https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-jul-05-fi-pringles5-story.html

>>15513241
>latimes
Who got ya?

>>15513242
huh? it's not that fake url LaIimes or whatever one it's the real one lol. Here's another news article about the same thing https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2009/may/21/pringles-vat-tax-crisps-snacks

>>15513249
>guardian
You need an actual scientific news, not garbage tabloid journals

>>15513249
>the government's lies determine reality

>>15513251
it's just a news report on the court case I was referring to idiot. Of course they have potatoes in them, it's just they're not classified as potato chips

>>15512659
>The new data are consistent with suspicions that the highland plateaus of Venus are ancient continents, once surrounded by ocean and produced by past volcanic activity.
yeah, its a failed earth alright. Really shitty its rotation and thus magnetosphere got fucked up in the crib. Would have been interesting to see what effects cross world insemination would have had between venus and earth with asteroid bombardment

>>15513259
Terraform Venus NOW

>>15513235
Pluto only masses 1/6th that of the smallest true planet, the Moon. It's out of club, cope.

>>15513234
Exactly.

>>15513265
It's mass in comparison to other objects is irrelevant as long as it can reach hydrostatic equilibrium.

>>15513270
leftypol

this thread is terrible

>>15513271
Behold, a planet!

>>15513282
Rounded by surface tension, not gravity, so not a planet.

>>15513299
Retard

>>15513278
you're seething tranny

>>15513303
Argument won.

We finally know the payload that was on HASTE. It was a hypersonic glide body anti ship missile prototype called MACH-TB from Leidos. It is meant for the US navy and the demonstrator was developed in 49 days

https://www.leidos.com/insights/leidos-mach-tb-program-successfully-completes-1st-test-launch

>>15513201
>Atari
based

props to Jeff Bezos for having the balls to fly on his own rocket unlike Elon Cuck Musk

>>15513317
>>15513304

>>15513317
Musk is too busy to spray champagne on an ex-alcoholic

>>15513310
Chinks on suicide watch.