/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15502104
He invented adding ridges on coins which prevents physical deflation via coin clipping, he IS the crypto.

Also, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>15502106
https://pubs.aip.org/physicstoday/article/73/7/30/800801/Isaac-Newton-and-the-perils-of-the-financial-South

>>15502112
i won’t even read that article. modern scholarship about Newton’s life is absolute corruption.

i am going to say something in the next line that will trigger absolute cope from many anons. they will go on damage control because it is what the narrative says to do when someone says this fact:
Newton and the mathematical/physical results he found were largely based in alchemical and hermetical mystical traditions. Newton’s works on physics were a very tiny fraction of his writings; a much bigger part of his ouvre was devoted to cryptographic exegesis of occult texts. he spent much more time on writing encoded commentaries on works like the Corpus Hermeticum than he did on physics. it is plain that Newton’s intellectual influence came from occult studies, and he was not even close to being an “Enlightenment” thinker. his intellectual tradition is rather much closer to the ancient Egyptian/Semitic/Alexandrian practitioners of the dark arts.

this is a plain fact and if you don’t believe me then go look up his handwritten notes, you can find them online.

>>15502121
Damn, so /x/ anons are truly the smartest on 4chan while /sci/ is a midwit trap

>>15502121
> I will say something retarded but you will all be triggered and call me retarded and cope
Loaded post. Not reading.

>>15502112
>Newton allegedly said that he could “calculate the motions of the heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people.”
A big problem for me is not truly understanding the depths of human stupidity and ignorance. I often forget the average human have no working concept of how reality works, only that "what happened today is what will happen tomorrow". Just a subconsicous, emotional, reactionary impulse, living from uncontrolled passanger seat impulse to the next.

>>15502138
It's the truth tho? Newton was obsessed with the occult and did write mostly about that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton%27s_occult_studies

>>15502154
>Newton's scientific work may have been of lesser personal importance to him, as he placed emphasis on rediscovering the wisdom of the ancients.

>>15502155
I don't think he was taking it 100% seriously as a study even though he had out-there views on Christianity for his time also alchemy was pretty much proto-chemistry, at a guess he was probably trying to formalize the important parts.

>>15502154
might very well be, it was nevertheless a loaded post designed to avoid criticism so not reading

>>15502121
this is pretty well known. later in life he started doing some schizo nonsense with alchemy but it makes sense. if he had lived longer then he would have eventually discovered chemistry as well. dude was a genius and what he accomplished in math and physics was already several orders of magnitude beyond what everyone else was doing at the time.

given the circumstances of his birth it's actually amazing he managed to do as much as he did

>>15502428
Leibniz was a worthy contemporary. Its amazing that you can have two of the most intelligent people ever living during the same period and working on the same problem while coming up with the same solution.

>>15502121
>I posit no hypotheses
Wdym he wasn't a heckin scientifico?!

>>15502104
>thinking NewChad wasn't the 17th-century version of that guy who monitors penny-stock spam to get in on the pump and out before the dump
>thinking NewChad didn't act like a fellow victim so the angry mob of functional troglodytes wouldn't lynch him

>wasted significant amount of time on alchemy
And THIS guy is supposed to be the smartest man who ever lived?

>>15502691
If he lived like 20 more years he would have discovered alchemy too.

>>15502691
He already laid the foundation for physics and calculus. What more did you want him to do? The man had other interests, never mind that he also had a job at the mint and probably taught too. While answering difficult math questions from bernoulli and squabbling with leibniz in his free time.

>>15502365
Based autist

Gauss was at least 2x smarter, Euler 10x.
Newton's biggest achievement was stolen from Leibniz.
The anglo race is inherently of low intelligence.

>>15502734
Gauss and Euler were math cucks unable to contribute anything significant in any other area of study. Newton is the renaissance man, he left his mark on everything that was popular back in his time. Plus he basically invents a math field to explain a physics field while leibniz isn't taken seriously because he couldn't justify using calculus to any practical effect. Newton was crazy, read what he did in his optics experiments and peek into the mind of a genius who had too little time and too much to do.

>>15502760

not him but that Euler disrespect is not forgivable
Also Einstein takes a dump on Newton

>>15502766
>Also Einstein takes a dump on Newton
Tongue in cheek "sun revolves around the earth" humor. Very meta.

He was autistic. Simple as.

>>15502760
>Gauss and Euler were math cucks unable to contribute anything significant in any other area of study.
You've outed yourself as an illiterate retard.
Gauss and Euler worked on mathematical problems of direct, immediate physical significance, not to mention all of their work in astronomy. Their results permeate not just physics, but damn near everything nowadays that applies mathematics (all the engineering fields, finance, etc.)
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

>>15503394
>reeeeeee muh false gods!!!
>someone insulted the false gods I worship!!!
>this is heresy!!!!
>burn them!!

>>15503399
Now you've also outed yourself as a moron, given that I state nothing about "worshipping" anyone, nor do I compare them to others.
You're the fag who was on about newton right?
Have you even read the principia?
inb4 more baseless claims.
fuck off moron

>>15503394
Yes other people applied them retard. Newton practically invented mechanics, optics, etc. How can you miss such a simple point?

>>15502121
modern scholarship in general is really shit once the intellectually lazy resentful careerists moved in

>>15502143
people with a working concept of how reality works are simply confused and arrogant. caught up in their own tail-chasing. everyone else is more accepting of reality and more adaptable.

>>15503841
>people with a working concept of how reality works are simply confused and arrogant
Lmfao....thank you, I had a hearty chortle.

Continue associating with "the herd", the consensus of science and democracy will never let you down.

>>15502121
>it is plain that Newton’s intellectual influence came from occult studies
He invented Calculus from studying the occult?

>>15503471
fucking pay attention, you fucking moron. I said their work had immediate physical significance, you said their work was math only with no other area of application.
They applied their work, immediately, to make predictions, designs, maps; you moron.
Even a cursory look over the work of either of them already refutes you.
>optics
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dioptrique
You god damn moron, the more you write the more you show how you have no understanding at all of the works of newton or euler or anyone else, not to mention those before newton.
You fucking baboon animal.
You fucking cuck bitch.
You fucking moron fuck you for being a retarded faggot

>>15502143
Well how does one deal with this?
I'm getting older and it's never going to get better is it?
Things are just that fucked.
"as knowledge grows, grief increases" and so on

>>15504163
Be careful not to choke on your own spite anon.

>>15504167
I believe its more of a society thing than you, as we're in "Clown World, Kali-Yuga, End of the Monetary Empire" days...its just if you were already at the edge this places you over the edge by proxy of relation. Kind of like how "I didnt leave the left, the left left me."

Simoly knowing this gives me a bit of comfort...sometimes...

>>15504952
Yes. I stand akwardly in a bar thinking "These people dont know about that Hilbert Space." I am correct and euphoric for doing so.

>>15505031
Because you cant stand normaly knowing that also?

Increase Mather, one of the early Presidents of Harvard University was a strong proponent of the restoration of the Jews to Palestine.[12][17] An author of numerous works, his most notable in this regard was The Mystery of Israel's Salvation (1669).[17] Roger Williams, the Puritan proponent of religious liberty (including for Jews)[25] in the Colony of Rhode Island that he founded has been citied as a proto-Zionist in speeches by later Jewish Zionist leaders such as Stephen S. Wise, due to his comment that "I have longed after some trading with the Jews themselves, for whose hard measure I fear the nations and England have yet a score to pay."[26] Some important 17th-century philosophers who acted a bridge between the millennialist sectarians of their day and the approaching Age of the Enlightenment with its scientific revolution either held views associated with premillennial restorationists, or moved closely in their circles: this applies particularly to Sir Isaac Newton and Baruch Spinoza. Newton especially, who held Radical Reformation views in terms of religion and also dabbled in the occult (including the Kabbalah) predicted a Jewish return to Palestine, with the rebuilding of Jerusalem in the late 19th century and the erection of the Third Temple in the 20th or 21st century, leading to the end of the world no later than 2060.[27][28] Much of these private writings were embarrassing to his supporters who sought to uphold him as a man of reason and science against Leibniz and while the University of Cambridge inherited his scientific papers, they refused to take these private ones.[28] Many of these, collected by Abraham Yahuda, now rest in the National Library of Israel since 1967.[28]

>>15505039
>Because you cant stand normaly knowing that also?
No...
>>15505085
...because I can see the future they deny. Doomed sheep drunk on self affirmations of unearned certainty.

>>15505112
Mono-poly. From one...to many.

E pluribus unum, "Out of many, one".

>>15502121
He was incredibly high in trait openess with immense curiousity as well as productivity along with his enormous IQ.

This is the makings of a true genius. Midwit just can't accept that a true genius of the current day wouldn't work anything like they would like to Imagine. A true genius would be someone like Newton or Kaczynski. Someone who completely defies bourgeouise snobbery. An absolute madman who dies a virgin after being obsessed with Qanon, Andrew Tate and perfecting Ricci flow calculations over doritos surface and then incidentallt discovering warp drive

>>15505185
Genius and having heterodox ideas used to be synonymous, hence the hackneyed phrase "eccentric genius". What happened to so drastically alter this perception among the masses, and even more regrettably among the supposed intellectual elite, is beyond my comprehension.

>>15505219
We are not supposed to appreciate geniuses of our time. Their ideas are too radical. The people who come after are usually the ones that do. So nothing has really changed. Though there are geniuses like perelman who are lucky to produce something recognizable within a short amount of time and just retire, grothendicke also did this.

>>15505225
>We are not supposed to appreciate geniuses of our time. Their ideas are too radical.
Denigrated in life...revered in death.

>>15505219
Don't see why they wouldn't be perceived as eccentric ~99% of the world populations worldview is just plain dumb.

>>15502121
everyone knows that dumb dumb even
>muh modern scholars

We live under capitalism yet to most people its rules are like some hidden dark magic. They don't understand basic concepts such as economies of scale, supply chains, venture capital, starting an equity for penny stocks... heck many don't even know about subsidized business loans.
Doesn't stop them from reading 100's of books that are just motivational speaker tier slop.
Really its not that complicated. Heck not nearly as complicated as the laws of physics. But you have to snap out of it. You have to stop thinking as wage earner and start thinking as an entrepreneur.

>>15503394
>You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
Absolute state of this board.

>>15506265
got any more tipz anon?

>>15504163
Why do you meddle with idiots? This botboard is out of hope..Useful as an daily remider how dumb most contemporaries are and for stidies how the deep state deals with them.

>>15506278
sure there are many sites that make venture capital accessible to most people really. Sites such as sydecar or startengine (by non other than the guy from sharktank)
Also there is this notion that the product must be software because it costs nothing to produce. that notion is not necessarily true really. You could very well end up owning a factory quiet literately, well a portion of it at least. Of course not all that parts will come from one place. There's also such thing as bottling factories so if you have a good idea for a drink there's a factory you can rent.

>>15506280
>Why do you meddle with idiots?
Because Particle Physics is retarded to its core and a field for plebs.

>>15506300
those are nice tips thanks anon
I'm about to get muh phd but the prospect of academic "jobs" is not appealing so I'm looking to branch out

>>15506317
no problem and well as a Phd you have a lot of clout and credibility with potential investors. I am sure you whatever it is that you promise will get funded.

>>15506332
hmm thanks anon I will try some things out

>>15505085
Wtf...Is there a single that Newton didn't get involved in? Other than sex?

>>15506265
>You have to
Fuck you fag, I'll do what I want.

>>15506397
dude why would I care what you do? I was just giving myself some motivational speech.

>>15506421
Because I'm tired of reading self help bullshit on this shithole. Every fucking thread someone comes along and types "just do x bro..." No! I refuse.

>>15502132
No, that's false.
> Openness personality. Humanities and broad interests overlap with a personality that is of divergent thinking. It accepts as many hypotheses as possible as true or plausible. However, this isn't how science operates. Science doesn't care about scope, it cares about veracity, accuracy, and exactness. As such it narrows down to as few hypotheses as possible and rejects the rest, which is actually a good thing, as that separates the wheat from the chaff. Humanities on the other hand don't separate the wheat from the chaff because they're disciplines fundamentally concerned with speculation, not exact truth per se. Soft sciences stay soft because to stop being soft they'd have to stop speculation, and humanities faculties are fundamentally institutes of speculation
/x/ is full of superstitious people (higher Openness than IQ). Ultimately Openness is where the juice is at, it's where all the interesting hypotheses are. However, most of them are wrong and stupid.
This is why Hermetic tradition far outmogs any 20th century or other contemporary occultism. Occultism is what low IQ roasties on crystalcafe engage in. If you want true gnosis you must go back to the roots. Unveil Zoroastrian, kike, and especially neokike(Christian) propaganda, book-burning and suppression of Openness and go to the alchemical meat of things. If you're afraid of going batshit, just consider it from the POV of Carl Jung. Carl Jung is the wisdom about these traditions. (here I define wisdom as the capacity of making the distinction between appearance and reality)

Here is a list of some of the relevant traditions:
neoplatonism
hermeticism
gnosticism
sufism
kabbalah
taoism
crow way
zen buddhism
hinduism
the dreaming of australian aboriginal

Here is a list of what you should avoid:
anything post 18th century, like laveyan satanism,
anything christian or otherwise monotheistic
kybalion
blavatsky
gurdijeff

(bscly anything roasties engage in or is mainstream)

>>15502734
>mountainjew
>intelligent
nice try, kike

>>15502760
Real life application is the role of "middle-management" of intellectual endeavors, the peak touching the stars don't concern themselves with everyday manual labor.

>>15502132
you want sparkly shit? mystical playtoys? the major traditions of esoteric wisdom that weren't wiped by a bunch of Christian retards or bastardized by schizophrenic, childish idiots into contemporary occultism?
then look at >>15506587 not /x/ lmfao

>>15506595
as if smug philosophers weren't annoying enough now everyone has to put up with smug schizos as well. lord have merci.

>>15506592
I'm not talking about application as in manual labor retard. I'm talking about invention of entire disciplines separate from math. Calculus was used to invent mechanics, both invented by the same person, gauss and euler only ever dabbled in math and couldn't venture outside of that.

>>15506587
you for got one on the avoid list, hegel's hermeto-gnosticism

>>15502734
This is what celts actually believe.

>>15506587
>hermeticism
>gnosticism
Very cringe, very retarded

>>15506753
>>15506724
t. hylic neokike
ngmi

>>15502121
smartest comment on /sci/ for a while. Explains also why his proofs are geometrical , he mostly read the greeks

>>15502104
He believed in a logical and humane use of money, he will be stunted by tye value of modern "art"

>>15507188
>Time machine with videos and memes.
>"This is the future you secured."
>He wrecks everything, an heros after murder spree.

He would have wanted to know the truth.

>>15507195
Take meds.

>>15502121
I dont think its fair to call him closer to ancient egyptian magicians than enlightenment thinkers. The truth is that he straddled the world of alchemic protoscience and that of early burgeoning science. The boundaries between the two had not yet formed, people at the time believed that shit like transmutation was something that could really be done. Of course newton pursued such pseudoscientific theories, because he existed in a world in which these theories were regarded as possibly accurate descriptions of the world. He thus pursued these theories with the same intellectual vigour that he did with physics, because it would take a little while longer for alchemy and assorted mystical theories to be regarded as unfashionable and thus unworthy of study.

His work in mathematics were not based on hermetical shit, they were done in the mathematical proof style that was common at the time, which involved lots of geometry as mathematics hadn't really shaken off euclid yet, he had to invent calculus remember.

>>15509157
>The boundaries between the two had not yet formed...
...and they never will, mortal-human.

>>15509157
this is the classic damage control. Newton’s main works in his later years were about biblical prophesy regarding not only Revelation but the book of Daniel. his science works were basically nothing by then. see also >>15505085

>>15509924
No one doubts that newton wrote mostly about weird mystical shit, it literally says so in wikipedia and is an acknowledged fact about him, but claiming that his work in physics and mathematics is somehow based on or derivative of his mystical shit is just false. There are many mathematical precursors to netwon, his calculus is not based on kabbalistic interpretations of the gnostic book of exodus or whatever gibberish you are talking about. Newton was a curious man who was interested in how the world worked, and people at the time thought that alchemy was actually something that worked. They literally passed laws on alchemy during newton and his contemporaries professional lifetimes, indeed they may have had something to do with its passing. Mystic spiritual bullshit was just another explanation for how the world worked at the time, and newton, being a man of his time, believed in it and spent a long time on it. Newton probably saw no distinction between his spiritual shit and his science, they were both trying to understand how the world works.

It would really take another half century for alchemy and spiritual shit to become unfashionable, due to advancements mainly in chemistry. And once alchemic shit did become unfashionable people in the age of enlightenment and later victorian era conveniently forgot about newtons mysticism in order to see him as a rationalist superhero.

>>15505185
>He was incredibly high in trait openess with immense curiousity as well as productivity along with his enormous IQ.
I could literally solve every major problem in science if I didn't coom so much

>>15510091
This is exactly why I cut porn out of my life and started taking low dose amphetamine. Literally no desire and masturbate once a month now at the most, never when taking it because I don't want to ruin such a powerful tool by associating it with filth.

>>15510103
>dose amphetamine
adhd meds or...

>>15510107
Prescribed. Mixed amphetamine salts. 10mg once or twice a day.

>>15509994
sure, newton had precursors in his mathematical stuff. but his PHYSICS was unprecedented, except for a little galileo (whose modest contributions were admittedly rationalist) and Kepler (who was totally some sort of mystic or Pythagorean [again Pythagoras was like a mystical cult leader])

even Newton’s laws have a very hermetic or gnostic tinge to them: “for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction”. if you try to step back and think about those words it sounds like something from Vedic philosophy and not at all like a Cartesian idea

>>15510091
>>15510103
>t. dropout with manic temperament
I'm not denying it's plausibly you're right. But I find it unlikely. Likewise it might be true, but you might be failing to consider the amount of time investment for each of these problems. Generally find it sus when people say they could. Like I know that the DK effect is misconstrued and the most confident are actually highly overlapping with most competent and the other tail, but most of the variance is mania and narcissism, not genuine temperament. The only thing I can think of besides undeserved praise and a chink in some nigger school getting a deluded view of competition is like being well ranked in mathematics competitions or an IQ test. The latter only goes up to 145-160 (or 163 with ceiling adjustment of ceiling score) which I don't think would make every problem a cakewalk. However if it's the international math competition or something, then yeah I believe you, broski. Still won't cut it without education background, tho.

>>15510145
Worthless baseless ad hominem midwit post.

>>15510149
>coping
1. It's not baseless, that's literally the research.
2. The ad hominem fallacy doesn't apply in this case. Ad hominem would apply in a case when someone would make an argument about something other than themselves and to discredit that argument you discredit the person saying it, shifting focus out of the issue at hand. In this instance, we're talking about a person making judgements about themselves. As such, for me to make judgements about them as well isn't ad hominem, because it's already the argued topic or focus at hand.
3. With time, the term midwit has lost all meaning. There is no reverse U curve or whatever. The phenomenon is real - it's overeducated dumb people. But that's a niche subpopulation. Most of the time undereducated people are unintelligent as well and think that makes them actually intelligent. Sorry, you're not actually "Good Will Hunting" or "Rick Sanchez" or some shit, just relatively average or even below average and extremely delusional.
Nevertheless, I'll leave whether it's true that it's worthless or I'm a midwit up to other people. :^)
Don't take this personally, all said in love. Remember, don't troon out or trust kikes, niggers, and women. Peace!

>>15502104
he's just like me

>>15510169
You failed to address anything and called two posters drop outs without any evidence and build a case on the merits of higher education which is totally irrelevant to what was being discussed. Due to your lack of argumentative skills and autistic rambling, I will equally take your approach and surmise that you're heavily projecting.

>>15510174
I was making case for education because you used the word midwit which is a phenomenon that can't be understood without the phenomenon of education.
I addressed everything that you've said. You only used 4 buzzwords. I'm sorry anon, but I didn't have much to work with. /ns I encourage you to formulate an argument instead of dropping buzzwords. Perhaps it's something my autistic brain missed.
As to why I called them drop-outs, the people you surround yourself with influence how you view yourself. If they were actually pursuing mathematics at MIT, Harvard, or Cambridge instead of being drop outs, it'd be less likely for them to hold such views. Now such people might underestimate themselves, due to being surrounded by gifted people, but that's kind of my point. Regardless, the correlation isn't really large. In normal samples anyways.
I admit that the drop-out thing was a guess. Nothing makes it necessary so.

>>15510115
Of course newtons physics was revolutionary, only contrarian revisionists would deny that. Even though there are apparently plenty of gaps in it and it isnt a complete description of classical mechanics, newtons successors like lagrange would build on it to make the "newtonian" world and principia's status as the foundation of modern physics and perhaps most important scientific document ever created is uncontested.

Having said that your claims that his physics work was inspired by mystic bullshit is unfounded unless there happen to be direct supporting links between his fundamental principles and some mystic roots that netwon documented. People at the time of principia's publication, and indeed netwon himself, were troubled by the idea of gravity as "spooky action at a distance" and I think newton just says something along the line of "I can offer no explanation as to what gravity actually is, but if you use this framework and my equations you get keplers laws of planetary motion". This is not the proud boasting of some fundamental truth about the mystic connections and symmetries between all things, its an admission that this spooky definition of mechanics as a series of forces is unsatisfactory, but it just seems to work. People at the time were, and still to this day are, looking for non field based cartesian style explanations for physics, but we don't really have any good ones. If we were to somehow get one and go back in time and give it to newton he would much prefer a cartesian style solution over his proposed one.

>>15510196
my points are not about establishing direct methodological links between ancient occult practices and Newton’s physics contributions, but are more linking them in terms of the intellectual traditions that Newton imbued himself in and how those are, in one distillation or metamorphosis, embodied in his physical works. more of a genealogy than an epistemology.

actually to your point of his explanations about gravity as a “spooky action at a distance” i think you can look into his works and find hints of his true beliefs. he wrote at length in the alchemical context of substances having a “fecundity” or “spirit” to transmute into other substances; i think you can also find quotes where he alludes to empty space having some sort of life or spirit that manifests gravity. of course this is disproven by modern science but it makes sense of how Newton’s alchemical / hermetic background inundated his scientific perspectives

anyhow i appreciate your posts, they were really good so thanks anon

>>15510193
You addressed nothing. I simply stated amphetamines improved my life and greatly reduced masturbation frequency for me. You reply with a pseud shit salad and got blown the fuck out. I don't care about whatever convoluted case you're trying to make because it has nothing to do with my post to which you replied to.

>>15502104 The smartest men who ever lived were the Avatars, since they know everything that is to be known.

>>15510528
Okay, my bad. You merely agreed with a statement with delusions of self-grandeur, you didn't make one. My apologies. /ns I was mostly referring to the first one.
Since I know about Erdos, I suppose it might have some use when used to keep one's drive up. But you're still pumping meth analogs through your veins, anon. That's far worse than any petty coomsite.

>>15502121
it's almost like, by getting rid of religion, the establishment has made science it's god, ironically killing scientific progress with the creation of a scientific "canon"

>>15502104

Lead CAN be turned to gold. You would have to be a retard not to know that. Closely guarded secret but there is a reason why the elements required for the transformation are virtually identical in price to their weight in gold, so it's not exactly a freebie.

>>15511137
Therapeutic doses of stimulants are administered orally, not through the veins. You're a midwit conflating illicit recreational abuse with therapeutic use, and have no valid point once again.

>>15506587
>Openness
Midwit poster detected.

>>15511925
>therapeutic use
>thinking your drug dealer wearing a white coat changes the molecular interactions in the body
First day in Pharmacology?
>You?
No...no its not my first day.

>>15512482
It's true though. Why do you think so many quantum physicists fell for crap like Jung's synchronicity.