/sci/ - Science & Math

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/seven-us-companies-collaborate-with-nasa-to-advance-space-capabilities

>>15504615
> Blue Origin is collaborating with NASA to develop integrated commercial space transportation capability that ensures safe, affordable, and high-frequency US access to orbit for crew and other missions.

>>15504618
>Northrop Grumman is collaborating with NASA on the company’s Persistent Platform to provide autonomous and robotic capabilities for commercial science research and manufacturing capabilities in low Earth orbit

>>15504619
> Sierra Space is collaborating with NASA for the development of the company’s commercial low Earth orbit ecosystem, including next-generation space transportation, in-space infrastructure, and expandable and tailorable space facilities providing a human presence in low Earth orbit.

> Artist’s concept of Sierra Space’s crewed Dream Chaser spaceplane docking to the company’s LIFE habitat.

>>15504621
> SpaceX is collaborating with NASA on an integrated low Earth orbit architecture to provide a growing portfolio of technology with near-term Dragon evolution and concurrent Starship development. This architecture includes Starship as a transportation and in-space low-Earth orbit destination element supported by Super Heavy, Dragon, and Starlink, and constituent capabilities including crew and cargo transportation, communications, and operational and ground support.

>>15504612
wtf is this real??

>>15504623
> Special Aerospace Services is collaborating with NASA on an in-space servicing technology, propulsion, and robotic technology called the Autonomous Maneuvering Unit (AMU) and the Astronaut Assist-AMU for commercial in-space servicing and mobility applications intended for safer assembly of commercial low Earth orbit destinations, servicing, retrieval, and inspection of in-space systems.

> A Special Aerospace Services engineer tests the company’s Autonomous Maneuvering Unit.

>>15504626
> ThinkOrbital is collaborating with NASA on the development of ThinkPlatforms and CONTESA (Construction Technologies for Space Applications). ThinkPlatforms are self-assembling, single-launch, large-scale orbital platforms that facilitate a wide array of applications in low Earth orbit, including in-space research, manufacturing, and astronaut missions. CONTESA features welding, cutting, inspection, and additive manufacturing technologies, and aids in large-scale in-space fabrication.

> Artist’s concept of ThinkOrbital’s ThinkPlatform in low Earth orbit.

ThinkOrbitals CTO explaining space welding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVzUmQ6Oi5c

>>15504627
> Vast is collaborating with NASA on technologies and operations required for its microgravity and artificial gravity stations. This includes the Haven-1 commercial destination, which will provide a microgravity environment for crew, research, and in-space manufacturing, and the first crewed mission, called Vast-1, to the platform. Development activities for larger space station modules will also take place under the Space Act Agreement.

> Artist’s concept of Vast’s Haven-1 commercial space station in low Earth orbit.

https://spacenews.com/nasa-agreements-to-support-work-on-commercial-spacecraft-and-space-stations/

no funding will be provided, but NASA will help and be a customer

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/06/rocket-report-final-ariane-5-launch-delayed-virgin-galactic-set-to-fly-again/

Small rockets
> Virgin Galactic sets next flight date.
> Firefly acquires Spaceflight.
> Ursa Major lays off 27 percent of staff.
> X-Bow claims second successful launch
> China builds pad for solid rocket launches.

Medium Rockets
> Final Ariane 5 launch is delayed indefinitely.
> Long March 2D sets deployment record
> FAA seeks to minimize launch impacts on airlines.
> China finally addressing falling rocket parts.
> SpaceX wins venture-class launch contract.

Heavy Rockets
> Vulcan launch date slipping toward end of year.
> Boeing hit with lawsuit for SLS rocket tooling.

>>15504646
>ursa major
never heard of them

>>15504649
nevermind, they're the company that's making astra's engines.

>>15504646
Vulcan is not a heavy rocket. It's a "whatever, we have launches from Atlas to fulfill" rocket.

>>15504649
company making rocket engines started in 2015, based in colorado
might not be long for this world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursa_Major_Technologies
> In April 2023, the company announced that it would supply the upper stage engine for Astra Space’s in-development Rocket 4.[8]

>>15504646
>Ursa Major lays off 27 percent of staff.
It's over
they never really had much of a case to begin with, since the companies that buy off the shelf engines are companies that cannot be sustained and, in Ursa's case, are probably fully scams.

>>15504649
They make engines. Astra, Stratolaunch, Phantom, and probably a few other meme launchers are buying from them.
https://www.ursamajor.com/

>>15504625
It's CG.
(all space "photos" are CG)

>>15504612
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>>15504621
>>15504623
>>15504626
>>15504627
>>15504628
>>15504640
>>15504646
Literally fake news. This thread is made by a glownigger.

jannies are REAL
kek

https://twitter.com/i/events/1669070206273048576

Elon speaking at a tech conference in France right now.

>>15504760
Who gives a fuck its not spaceflight

>>15504760
so interesting to listen to him talk about twitter and ai for the trillionth time. can you fuck off?

>>15504764
They will most likely talk about spacex too

>>15504767
No they will not and you know it now shut the fuck up about your off topic shittery

>>15504765
talking about space colonization right now
fuck off

>>15504767
>replying to common troll

>>15504775
seethe and cope retard

>>15504765
>>15504775
tranny

>>15504779
>cant even get cope and seethe right
You have to go back.

Elon Musk general

>>15504782
> no he said the meme wrong

>>15504782
>>15504783
faggot dial 8

>>15504781
Uh oh, you mad?

>>15504789
>>15504787

>>15504767
He never talks about spaceflight at these kind of things beyond the boilerplate "light of consciousness", "fully and rapidly reusable", etc.

Good lord would you leddit cucks fuck off we dont want to hear about everything you fuckers find on twatter

>>15504788
>posting from two IPs
No wonder /sfg/ is dead. It's just the same Musk orbiter replying to himself

stop feeding the tranny

>y-your reddit! cuck! tranny!
Quite the vocabulary ITT

>>posting from two IPs

>he's a /pol/tard
who would have guessed

>>15504792
starting about building a rocket company now

>>15504797
>blue moon
many such cases

>>15504804
You mean the innane drivel we've heard at any talk that presses him about it? The same speech we've all heard 50 times unwillingly because you faggots spam anything he talks at? Shut the fuck up

>>15504806
KEEK

>>15504804
Do you have autism? Elon never says anything interesting or newsworthy at these events unless they are at space themed from the start

>>15504806
you will listen to it for the 51th time and be happy

>>15504805
Not even, its just a hijack post disguising itself as a space topic but is actually just the same reddit tranny thats been lurking on /sfg/ for a while. Blue just happens to be not SpaceX, therefore not Musk, therefore fits his idea of "real" space and not "SpaceX fraud" that he has in his mentally ill head of his.

>>15504809

>>15504813
I'll take that as a yes xD

>disrupts your company

>>15504811
Welcome to /sfg/ schizo

>>15504818
>>15504816

>solves hydrogen
and the muskian weeps

>>15504811
Also. if I remember back, the origins of this "anti-Musk" tranny was ironic shitposting too. I did warn him that if he went too far, he'd be consumed by his ironic shitposting. Guess he took it too far.

ITT: the same Musk-cum-guzzling SpaceX stan synthesizing Musk-cum in the lab and mass producing it for personal consumption

This is what schizophrenia does to a thread.

https://youtu.be/5-QbE6dTK1w
new off nominal pod about microgravity is so insanely boring. dont watch it

>>15504836
Reverse psychology only works with toddlers you fat mutt

>>15504842
? it's actually boring as fuck. if you watch it you're the retard

>>15504846
yes, this is true

>>15504836
has there ever been a non-boring off nominal?
I've randomly checked some of them out and its always some retards

>>15504856
they used to have more interesting discussions in the early days. now it's usually cackling useless women or some guy trying to sell you his newspace scam business. or space journos, of which most are just hacks

>>15504836
Canadians should not be allowed to touch space

>>15504821
Unless he has reality bending powers, there's no "solving" hydrogen.

>>15504859
yes that what it seems to be lol, no wonder nobody posts it here

https://twitter.com/kmcannon/status/1669725886336339968

> Private space exploration has been more of an explosion than a steady ramp up. From ~0% before 2021 then suddenly >50%

This is human launches btw, not all launches

>>15504886
Blue Origin mogs SpaceX on launching astronauts

>>15504886
>the hole the space shuttle left in human spaceflight

>>15504891
that's nothing, look at the hole the challenger disaster left in human spaceflight

>>15504886
paying to ride on a vomit comet does not make you a space explorer

>>15504895
that's what I said
the Challenger and then Columbia disasters are collectively the hole left by the Space Shuttle

>>15504898
oh, I thought you meant the hole in the 2010s when shuttle got retired and bumming rides on soyuz was the only way to the iss

>>15504899
yeah, that's part of it too I guess

somebody post the Uncle Ted in a spacesuit image, the "the Space Shuttle and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race." one
for some reason I don't have it

Is Dongfang Hour any good? I've seen him posted here but assumed they were an unapologetic China shill by their name. His twitter looks decently informative though and not much more of a shill than Andrew Jones or Cosmic Penguin

>>15504816
>two lav mikes
so chad they have to mic him in stereo

>>15504821
>hydrofag
that explains why you are so embrittled

>>15504875
Jeff will build a metallic hydrogen wall and muskrats will pay for it

This general is fraud, baker is a glownigger as usual.
The earth is flat and stationary.

>>15504896
does a colonoscopy make your doctor a space explorer?

>>15504928
it's good that we stage instead of bake, then.

>>15504921
Bezos is unironically more successful than Musk in terms of real take home profit

>>15504931
>losing half of it in a divorce

>>15504625
I don't think stars are visible on a photograph taken with the right amount of exposure for a nice picture of earth.

>>15504931
kek

>>15504903

>>15504932
She inherited 4% of Amazon. literally nothing. current net worth is $24.4 Billion compared to Bezos $149.1 Billion

>>15504625
100% real as it would appear to an nekkid eye

>>15504910
yes its good, he seems to be pro-china (or neutral) but the stuff he posts does seem accurate
haven't really looked into it

>>15504655
It's a heavy lift rocket because of its maximum payload mass.

>>15504886
What garbage. Gagarin, arguably Leonov and the Apollo 11 crew were space explorers, the rest just did what's already been done. Going to ISS in a can doesn't mean you explore shit.

>>15504942
So is F9 a heavy lift rocket because FH exists?

>>15504886
>private space explorer
far too much credit. the only acceptable term is "cargonaut"

>>15504949
unironically yes

>>15504953
ballast
ballastronaut?

>>15504953
"cashtronaut" has a nice ring to it

https://twitter.com/virgingalactic/status/1669441088166457344

>>15504947
it's just a manufactured chart to uplift spacex. calling them commercial astronauts is not enough, gotta be super futuristic explorer heros, unlike those cucks riding the blue penis. i agree BO isnt flying real astronauts, but it's getting goofy when people twist into knots to not say "space tourist". if you're going to orbit, commercial/private astronaut is apt enough.

We need a new term for space tourists that dont go through astronaut programs. BO and Virgin Galctic calling their customers "astronauts" is so disengenious.

What should be the term? Spacer?

>>15504956
That title is reserved for the High Lord Senator Administrator.

>>15504964
See >>15504953

>>15504964
how bout Blue Penis / Branson deathtrap riders get called space tourists and the orbiteers with no training are called regular people, and the employees who work in space are called astronauts

>>15504964
astronaut = went through NASA training
commercial/private astronaut = went through a private or commercial astronaut training program
space tourist = went up as cargo with minimal or no training

>>15504970
it wasnt a good post

>>15504964
they're just passengers. maybe space passengers. I don't become an aviator when I ride on a plane but nobody gets assmad when I fly

>>15504976
space travelers

I still think that those "population of space" things should require at least one hour duration above the "line".

>>15504979
It should only count people in an actual orbit since that means they're not already committed to reentry.

If you're flying through auroras you are still in the atmosphere and not an astronaut

>>15504830
>stan

>>15504992
If you're flying through Earth's Hill sphere you are still in the atmosphere and not an astronaut

>>15504986
I agree, I guess I was sort of being "nice". An orbit is at least 90 minutes anyhow, so there's not that much time difference, and it rules out the chance of some faggot making a super balloon that can go high enough.

>>15504938
The most expensive prostitute in all of history

>>15504999
The thing is, he was married to her before he got rich. It was all his fault for having a wandering dick and hooked up with a goblina.

>>15504998
>a super balloon that can go high enough.
You can scratch that from your list. Not plausible. Maybe impossible even but I can't prove that.

>>15504976
>I don't become an aviator when I ride on a plane
I don't know about you, but when I was a kid the pilot gave me my own set of wings

>>15505006
I know, but someone is gonna try, and might succeed by accident.

>>15505008
I wouldn't even be mad if that happened and gladly see him awarded astronaut wings as well just to see the cargonauts seeth.

https://spacenews.com/firefly-to-buy-remaining-virgin-orbit-assets/
>Firefly Aerospace has agreed to buy Virgin Orbit’s remaining assets — inventory at two company production facilities — as part of Virgin Orbit’s bankruptcy proceedings.
>In June 15 filings with the federal bankruptcy court in Delaware overseeing Virgin Orbit’s Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings, representatives of the companies said that Firefly agreed to buy the assets that has not been sold at auction in May for $3.8 million.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UABQaXN3Fo
https://twitter.com/PLD_Space/status/1669746278161432576
Spanish suborbital debut launch later maybe
>17 June 02:00 (CET) - 17 June 10:00 (CET)

>>15505019
seems kind of weird to buy partly manufactured rockets and engines
I don't think they bought the IP for them?

>>15504964
>>15504972
Astronaut = official/operators of spacecrafts/ships/rockets. Anyone that operates the space ship and/or has license to do so is such.

Just like we have sailors and tourists on sea going ships. Or we have pilots vs passengers. Etc.

>>15504964
I think the FAA was tossing around "spaceflight participant" which sounds dumb but at least it's not astronaut
I don't like the recent obsession with space tourists trying to be productive in space because that's apparently how many people draw the line of being an astronaut

>>15505020
>Miura

>>15505049
You shouldn't have to justify flying to orbit with "but look I'm doing science!"
Eliminate this stigma, space is for fun.

>>15505007
that's just a little plastic toy for kids. it's not real, are you dumb?

>>15505060
are you autistic?

>>15505060
The only difference between that and a pilot's license is paperwork and feigned importance.

https://www.space.com/inflatable-moon-telescope-universe-dark-ages

> European scientists are developing an inflatable radio telescope concept that could do groundbreaking science on the moon.
>The idea, based on a recent feasibility study by engineers at the European Space Agency (ESA), proposes an array of radio antennas printed on the superlight space-blanket material kapton that would travel to the moon folded inside the planned European Large Logistics Lander, also known as Argonaut.
> "You fold up the system, then you push gas into it and you inflate it. It's like an inflatable mattress on the moon," Marc Klein Wolt, a radio astronomer at Radboud University in Nijmegen, the Netherlands, who leads the ESA Astrophysical Lunar Observatory science team, said at the Astronomy from the Moon conference in London earlier this year.

>>15505071
They better have a lascom transmitter on it

>>15505071
We've already developed radio telescopes. just go to the moon and built it you fucking faggots, they're so easy

Anti-spaceX crowd eating each other

>>15505071
>ESA
So it's never gonna happen

>>15504886
this list is bullshit. we've had tourists for decades, both orbital and suborbital, yet they arent counted until 2 years ago? the fuck outta here.

>>15505103
nevermind i misread the graph

https://twitter.com/AstroJaws/status/1669762020504207360
I want to be mad that they keep playing it safe with dragon motifs on the patches, but they're all so good

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzDBRNOeAow
she's back

>>15505098
literally who

>>15505071
>>15505071
>inflatable mattress on moon
And the cattle just gobble it up like seed nectar.

>>15505116
The guy that was recently on Planetary Society

>>15505098
aka normal people with critical thinking skills being critical of each other. unlike SpaceX cultists sucking eachothers cocks ad infinitum, without a single critical thought in their minds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ6vmuZ0G-g

>>15505118
Yes, inflatable mattresses on Mars are where it's at

>>15505124
kek fagboy

>>15504836
The recent Joe Barnard one and the Berger ones are good I think

China moonshot update: #2 has been officially greenlit!

>>15505141
Side note, I'm realizing Anthony is kind of a know it all and stews over pet ideas. Like when he was convinced that Relativity would abandon rockets in favor of proonting, or about Neutron being too small (which it is, but he didn't need to say so to Beck in front of a live audience out of nowhere and throw him on an awkward defensive)

>>15505124
Yup

>>15505124
Bit of Common Sense skeptic right?

>>15505157
We dont call us that for nothing

>>15505157
didn't that guy say that some spacex launch was actually cgi?

>>15505172
He says a lot of things. All of which are only semi-coherent if you do not have any knowledge of the industry. Once you apply even a spec of scrutiny, all his claims falls apart.

>>15505171
What if it gets destroyed again?

>>15505180
What if WW3 happens?

>>15505180
then they have to rebuild it again

>>15505183
just stick them in old nuclear silos to protect them and begin the Great Journey

>>15505180
then it's over

>>15505209
Wasn't supposed to be over 3 years ago? We were told Starship would never fly.

>>15505211
Was I wrong? it blew up and ruined the launch site

>>15504625
looks a bit off to me desu

I repeat: Jim Free should be in JAIL

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/06/weirdly-a-nasa-official-says-fixed-price-contracts-do-the-agency-no-good
Jim Free said
>"The fact is, if [SpaceX is] not flying on the time they’ve said, it does us no good to have a firm, fixed-price contract other than we’re not paying more"
Anon NASA Official said
>"I can't give him a pass on the fixed-price comment," one of these officials said of Free. "On cost-plus contracts, the hardware is always late, and you pay more. On fixed-price contracts, it's only late. So yeah, his comment was technically accurate but totally tone-deaf. What really makes me worried is that I think it shows where the heart of the agency is."
So basically Jim Free is the wolf guarding the hen house and we're fucked goung forward

>>15505251
Biden admin fired Kathy Leuders and then put him in charge for a reason.

>>15505251
Ultimately what people like this does ends up killing good hearted organizations, it already ruined NASA once back with Colombia, you know - with that Reagan guy. A good politician benefits them, but someone that is there for politics sake will lead them down a dark path

>>15505251
>"They are just biding their time until they can pounce on some misstep on a fixed price contract to say the approach doesn't work," one of the NASA officials said of these old-guard managers.
Fuck this bros

>>15505251
I wonder if he has been pressured to do so

>>15505290
Weird considering even Ballast, a man I had zero faith in, was recently championing SpaceX and fixed price contracts when he met with Congress

>>15505290
No, we knew who Jim free was long before he was promoted to take Kathy's spot

>>15505296
I was thinking more in the vein, why say this at all and bring scrutiny to yourself?

>>15505294
I'm more talking about pressure from boeing or other oldspace (BO) saying that you need to shit on SpaceX/fixed cost or we won't give you a nice job afterwards

>>15505300
>why say this at all and bring scrutiny to yourself?
maybe he's in good company

>>15505300
>I was thinking more in the vein, why say this at all and bring scrutiny to yourself?
Maybe he thought it was the right time because Musk has specifically called out Democrats for sexualizing children and thus feels that he's fallen out of favor of the liberal media?

Opportunists see this as a weakness.

I'm heavily infested in Boeing and a big fan of cost+ contructs

>>15505365
looks like I'm having a small stroke again

>>15505372
infested was the correct word

https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1669795922069299214

Would the French allow Starship launches from French Guiana?

I would assume there would have to be some agreements like they couldn’t take on European customers

>>15505398
We don't need them. There's already a launch site treaty to allow American rockets to launch from Alcantara in Brazil, which is closer to the equator than Korou.

>>15505172

So what was that thing lockheed martin was proposing for the moon? A bunch of stations for what? They filed some things with the FCC for a bunch of ground stations or satellites around the moon but I cant find where that was or what was it for

>>15505429
Basically a Starlink competitor.

Roscosmos can’t catch a break

>>15505429
>small constellation of lunar satellites for a service called Parsec, to provide connectivity between Earth and people and assets in lunar orbit and on the Moon, and position, timing, and navigation (PNT) services for lunar missions.

Today I will remind them.

>>15504760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB4UmohVZEw

> 18:15 SpaceX

>QIdrive isn't actually in space, it was pushed from T8 to T9
lmao, and I bet before that launch it will magically discover some issue that has them pulling it again for 'a future mission'

>>15505464
LMAO, the absolute state

You now remember that ULA last flew in November 2022

>>15505180
>amish_barn.mpeg

>>15505464
SHE WAS CUTE AND I'M TIRED OF PRETENDING OTHERWISE!

>>15505214
>Was I wrong
Yes

>>15505512
>this is a 10/10 in bongland

>>15505387
he's a fag. it doesn't matter if its concrete or sand and isn't analogous to the moon.

What ever happened to that GM/Lockheed lunar rover?

>>15505564
They're friends in the great beyond, where robots go when they stop.

>>15505571
>retarded bracket over the seats
yeah bro I wonder. maybe it was a stupid powerpoint meme

>>15505109
I think it was 7 million

Is anybody gonna be doing an unofficial HASTE launch stream? I wanna see this weird thing go.
Maybe someday Wallops will warrant its own 24/7 stream. One can hope

>>15505109
>>15505621
mid

>>15504623
Wonder how Space X wants to develope Dragon?

>>15505626
filling it with hydrogen bombs and dropping it on DC

>>15505032
If anything Sratolauncher could have used the IP and rockets as test beds. Firefly could still sell em.

What is wrong with Thunderchud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSjwQEz6As0

Perma brainrot stemming from failure in life

>>15505686
He's addicted to deboonking

>>15505440
History is the first casualty of war.

>>15505686
He's printing money by grifting anti Elon seethers. It would based if he wasn't dead serious.

which one of you did this >>15498850

I already dunked on bongs once this thread, they just make it too easy

>>15505727
it's easy to be sustainable when you aren't producing anything

>>15505730
Beagle 2 really was the first and last gasp of the modern UK's space agency. I wonder how things would be if it had succeeded?

>>15505740
Worse, somehow. They'd sell space secrets to Russia or China and get booted out of NATO.

>>15505730
KEEEEEEK BONGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

I hate Musk cock suckers so much. Just because I'm enthusiastic about spaceflight and the only company that is advancing it at a rapid rate I get lumped in with the rest of them. I like SpaceX, I'm indifferent to Musk.

>>15505817
I actually love musk too though

>>15504625
Could be, with exposure turned right down to show the stars. Look how dim the earth is, it's way brighter than that in daylight.

>>15504875
Use cast iron tanks made from moon iron.
Cast iron is immune to hydrogen embrittlement (source - I heard it somewhere)

>>15505817
seethe.
nobody could make a spacex nor will anybody again in a long time

>>15504612
Holy shit the Gravitics module is huge

>>15505854
smaller than starship.

>>15505817
SpaceX = Elon Musk

>>15505854
Imagine strapping a solar power module and some QI thrusters to one of those and cruising the inner system on brachistochrone trajectories.

>>15505854
id fuck her

>>15505854
>lanky niggerfag with toe shoes

>>15505854
That lineup of "people" tells me everything I need to know about the future of this company. Can I short their stocks?

>>15505870
she's an indian goddess with a lil torsic chub hnnnggg

there's so many rare elons

>>15505817
If Musk disappears then spacex would rapidly devolve into just a normal corporation focused on making money as quickly and easily as possible which pretty much means the pursuit of Mars would effectively be over as the main thing driving the company towards that is obviously Musk as it’s not going to be profitable in our lifetimes nor is it even guaranteed to be successful so a board of executives obviously wouldn’t be interested and would just focus on starlink for the purpose of enriching themselves and not funding colonisation of the solar system.

I can't submit to you cause you're preventing that in course of gaining submission. I can, do nothing, but use my trail which I have recently discovered and am using it against you. I have submitted. I'm trying not to now. There's no action in this situation bar imaginative release into trail. You're gonna need to release until there's enough space for mental action. Faggots.

>>15505898
Musk needs to be putting 100% of his attention into SpaceX. Tesla's goals have been met, every other side company has been small fry and will fail to deliver on their goals before Musk resigns or dies. The Twitter bullshit and founding of X AI should be worrying as he spreads himself ever thin

>>15505900
>space

>>15505903
The Twitter bullshit is a mandatory sidequest to stop politics from derailing SpaceX.

>>15505907
cope

>>15505907
the knots musk cum consumers twist into to continue their consumption of musk cum is astounding.

>>15505918
youre a schizo

>>15505907
He's just making it worse for himself you stupid nigger

>>15505020
launch in 5 minutes maybe

Gonna get ya.

You'll do 17 years in opposite hell

Bootel

YOU SHOULDNT HAVE DONE THAT

>>15505251
The problem with being "just late" is that the specification still can't reasonably evolve for whatever needs the government discovers it has and the company has no reason to pursue further contracts in the future because they lost money by trying.

>>15505854
I was concerned about that issue with centrifugal forces and rotating space stations where all the blood would rush to the astronauts feet.... doesn't seem like it would be that big of a problem here compared to say Haven-1 or a Cygnus based module, considering that Gravitics wants to also make rotating stations

>>15505939
Im confused by your post

>>15505858
yeah no shit how are they supposed to get it into space if it’s bigger

>>15505933
and it did not launch

One thing /sfg/ can agree on is namefags and tripfags are the worst

>>15505986
What happened to spinfag and the other schizo autist that were spamming this board for a long time ?

>t. collagefag

>>15505983
It sounds like a T-0 abort due to a failure of the umbilical to release from the vehicle.

I like these guys. Their streams are a lot better than their Arianespace cousins.

>>t. collagefag

>>15506043
Millions must make collages, billions even

>>15505979
Would you bid for more fixed price contracts if you lost money trying to bid on them before? Some things end up being more complicated than you can reasonably expect at the time and it's impossible to actually figure out how to solve the problem at a reasonable sounding bid price.

The world could use less of the faggotry.

hop when

>>15506073
>Would you bid for more fixed price contracts if you lost money trying to bid on them before?
Obviously not. So then either someone else can do it cheaper than me, or the price is too high in the first place and NASA will have to lower it. I'll bid what I think my company can make a profit with, and I'd like to have a guaranteed profit because I have a vested interest, but that comes at the expense of taxpayers.

And since I'm a taxpayer and not actually an aerospace CEO, I'd rather have the cheaper option.

Falcon 9 is the tomcat of rockets

falcon 9 is the tomboy of rockets

>>15506107
>there are actual faggots itt

>>15506104
>>15506107
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t4ujtZJqXA

>>15506102
This is how you end up with nobody that actually has the organizational structure and technical expertise you need even trying to bid on your requests for proposals.

>cost minus contracts

>>15505941
>where all the blood would rush to the astronauts feet
Sorry what? Artificial gravity is meant to simulate earth gravity and that isn't a problem here. Unless you're talking about living in like 2G+ or something.

>>15506114
Why? If the technical expertise is out there somewhere then companies will hire it. If the technical expertise isn't out there, then the contract was never going to work in the first place. Also, if organizational structure is the bottleneck, then companies should sort that shit out. And, again, I don't care if a company fails because the government contracts should not be welfare for corporations.

>>15506128
Because not everything that needs to be done actually has known solutions, and no problems without known solution are going to be on time and on budget. If you're stuck footing the bill for whatever difficulties you discover along the way, there's literally zero reason to try.

>>15506120
lol

>>15506133
Just factor the cost of solving any problems you do encounter into the bid. Sure you won't get a precise estimate, but if you have experience then you should have a general idea of what those difficulties will be. Maybe there will be a rare contract which is uniquely difficult, but frankly if we're talking about billion dollar contracts then I expect companies to do their due diligence and not jump blindly into things.
>If you're stuck footing the bill for whatever difficulties you discover along the way, there's literally zero reason to try.
You're getting paid to solve those difficulties. And, again, if a company fucks up and steps in dog shit then that's their own fault. Allowing them to get paid because of their failures means that, to the companies, failing to overcome difficulties is a success. Under fixed contracts, if Boeing fucks up and loses billions on a contract, then they're incentivized to either get out of the market (freeing up space for more competent competitors) or get their shit together for the next contract. If you allow cost plus contracts, then they learn nothing because they still make money despite fucking everything up for NASA.

>>15506176
>Just factor the cost of solving any problems you do encounter into the bid. Sure you won't get a precise estimate, but if you have experience then you should have a general idea of what those difficulties will be. Maybe there will be a rare contract which is uniquely difficult, but frankly if we're talking about billion dollar contracts then I expect companies to do their due diligence and not jump blindly into things.

This is genuinely not possible. It requires people to figure out how much it will cost to pay for the unpredictable.

>>15505387
OH NO, SPACEX CAN'T BE FAILING IN A USEFUL WAY AGAIN!

>>15506183
>It requires people to figure out how much it will cost to pay for the unpredictable.
It's not like they need an exact estimate. They're taking on some measure of risk, and there are also situations where they'll have an easier time of it and make more profit than expected. Companies should be incentivized to address problems as efficiently as possible. And, in any case, the unfair consequences of some contracts being a net negative for the contractor are less of a negative than the unholy amount of grift which cost+ contracts would facilitate.

>>15506193
You are, again, failing to recognize that figuring out how to solve the things that are unsolved cannot be reasonably estimated. A lot of things can be done relatively cheaply, but a lot of things, like the Manhattan Project, can't.

>>15506209
the fuck it can't
>how much will it cost us to modernize these engines and boosters
>fuck if I know, it's not like we were the ones building and maintaining them in the first place

>>15506120
The Boing! strategy
https://spacenews.com/boeings-starliner-charges-approach-900-million/

>>15506217
It can't. Sometimes it's because something has never been done before, sometimes it's because you can't use asbestos anymore and need to design an all new solution to a problem that doesn't use it, but in any case, there's always a way to surprise you and corporations are often ill-equipped to solve them when the Government is the only customer who will ever use the solution.

>>15506209
It's not like NASA is contracting out the entire Artemis program in one go.

>>15506229
Firm Fixed Price is best used for things like contracting launches on a Falcon Heavy or other developed and in use solutions.

>>15506230
That doesn't mean that, for more complex stuff, it's not superior than letting oligopolists sit on contracts for years while making a profit because some spineless bureaucrat bought (or rather, sold) their argument about unknown unknowns.

>>15506231
Your entire argument reduces "things should only cost as much as people guess they will and fuck them if they're wrong because corporations suck." You're not arguing for anything but the pathos of it. Make a real argument about how and why companies should be able to realistically estimate all expenses and try to show cost plus has no place in the contracting structure.

>>15506248
they should know how much things cost to do because they are in the business of doing them. being able to manage their budget and charge appropriately is just as much a needed expertise as actually doing the things.

>>15506248
My argument is that corporations are self-interested and care about profits. That's not a moral judgment but rather a statement of fact. If you structure contracts such that they're guaranteed profits no matter what, then they have less incentive to actually fulfil the contract within time and budget constraints. That is enhanced when there are so few competitors that they don't really need to worry about NASA choosing a more competent alternative.

>>15506270
The problem is that there's supposed to be auditors going over these contract line items to see if they're fleecing taxpayers or not. The guys who should be doing this job don't care enough about the various forms of robbery involved.

>>15506290
I don't even mean outright grift, though cost+ would certainly help in that regard. If Boeing gets to earn a profit on every single contract they take, no matter how badly they fuck it up, then they won't change the underlying causes of their fuck-ups. Taking a few major losses forces companies to look internally and try to be more efficient and productive moving forward, simply because they can't afford not to do so.

>>15506298
It's necessarily stupid and complicated because the company is obligated to maximize shareholder value, and engineers need to be kept busy to keep the ongoing expense of employing them justified to the dipshit management doing accounting.

ball is up for sale https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/ball-corp-explores-sale-aerospace-unit-more-than-5-bln-sources-2023-06-16/

What do we think of Aerojew Shekeldyne?

>>15505581
The bracket is there in case the vehicle flipped or was overturned, you ass.

Elon on Twitter: stop forcing your weird sex fetish on children
Leftists: Wow, do you see this? Elon hates trans people and wants them all to die!

>>15506382
I hate trans "people"

>>15505837
Is it because cast iron is already brittle as fuck and it can't get any more brittle?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIqG42AD4Gw

reminder we're the last generation that will ever know humanity living on a single world. futurefags are forever jealous of us.

>>15506438
Cant wait to get off this trash.

Earthers needs to be nuked. No trannies, woke, marxists on Mars.

>https://spacenews.com/despite-growing-interest-in-commercial-satellite-data-industry-faces-uncertainty/
>satellite imaging companies are having trouble staying in business without massive government handouts
sounds about right. what's the business case outside of it? what person or company will want to spend $500 for a picture?

starship vs skylab

>>15506470
>spin modules not aligned with center of mass
fucking artfags I swear

>>15506353
it's lunar gravity; if you can't benchpress 2rovers then you shouldn't be an astronaut

>>15506438
Also, it's entirely possible that October 30, 2000 will end up being the last time there were no humans in space.

>>15505903
the goals have not been met, and there are new goals with tesla now
every other company has been "small fry" due to them being started 10-15 later than Tesla (2003) and SpaceX (2002), so still haven't reached commercialization in earnest (Neuralink is about to conduct human clinical studies at the end of this year, started in 2016, The boring company got approved for a very big expansion in Las Vegas recently, also started in 2016)
OpenAI was started in 2015, Musk being one of the founders but he chose not to keep funding it massively due to not getting the control he wanted (to outside the reason was told it was a conflict of interest with Teslas AI efforts)
X.AI is basically just correcting that mistake
Twitter was critical, without it many other goals will probably be more difficult if not impossible
he even disrupted lobbying by buying and creating the next version of the platform that people will trust and use for the most important communication

>>15505924
idiotic take, have you seen the europe tour lately? heads of state are starting to bend the knee

>>15505939
that just means the fixed contract terms need to be amended for the later contracts and perhaps not give contracts to some parties that are just unable to take them through (like boeing with starliner)
CRS was massively successful with spacex, oldspace is just incompetent
oldpsace sucking ass does not make fixed price contracts bad, it makes oldspace bad

>>15506512
the decoupling of the world into two power blocs is costing everyone tons of jobs, so heads of state of desperate to find sources of jobs. elon has the potential to be one of those sources.

>>15506002
you are just retarded and confuse people talking about a topic being one person
a lot of people think spinhabs make sense, you are the schizo if you think its only one person
and why isn't it talked about right now? because there is not much to say

>>15506114
wrong, you just need to bid stuff on multiple levels of complexity, not give something to companies that they aren't clearly ready for

>>15506133
lol that is loser talk
companies fail all the time, its good
incompetent companies die, competent companies thrive
just because a fixed contract doesnt work out, who cares?
look at SLS and cost+, its a fucking joke

>>15506183
of course it is possible
the company needs to be competent enough to see to either
1) not try to do to contract at all
2) bid something very high, which gives them margin of error
if the contract is for something completely unrealistic at a certain point, then no company should bid for it
it is that fucking simple

>>15506248
cost+ should not exist due to the pathological incentives

>>15506525
>if the contract is for something completely unrealistic at a certain point, then no company should bid for it
Goodbye all low maturity R&D projects, then.

>>15506462
it means you just can't throw satellites up there and expect to sell the pictures, you have to come up with some application outright that people want to buy

>>15506529
yes, those are for university research
not companies
pretty fucking simple

>>15506530
yes but what are those applications?

>>15506534
Universities aren't the organizations that develop classified technologies for the military, retard: they leak like a sieve to foreign governments.

>>15506535
not my problem

do spaceships create waves in spacetime the way ships do on water? could you detect if a large spaceship has recently passed through an area?

>>15506540
that sounds like the project is not something completely unrealistic then and the military could have fixed price contracts with fixed incentives
"look into this, if it works we give you extra money"
instead of take as much money as you want, we will give a fixed profit on top of it, which incentivizes to use as much as money as possible
cost+ is fucking retarded

>>15506548
i guess in theory you could detect ships via gravity waves, but even detecting blackholes colliding... one of the most energetic gravity events in the universe, is extremely difficult

>>15506515
I don't think so
its more about manufacturing coming back from cheaper countries back into western countries using greater levels of automation (making it cost effective in the first place)
having production close has multiple benefits, some of them include cheaper logistics cost and a tighter feedback loop between engineering and production

>>15506382
>inb4 every Tesla comes with "On Troons and They/Their Lies"

>>15505941
>all the blood would rush to the astronauts feet
you mean like on Earth in real gravity?
there's a reason why leg veins have checkvalves and blood is being pumped around at high pressure

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1669907231389757447

article from 2018

>>15506601
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/07/the-year-2020-could-see-the-unheard-of-debut-of-four-big-rockets-or-not/

https://twitter.com/relativityspace/status/1669850224343543808

> Aeon-R: “Does my new skirt make my flames look fat? ”
>Us: “You look absolutely stunning.”

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1669868466981986308

>>15506606
its a suborbital rocket right?

>>15506606
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/06/pld-space-m1sn1/

>>15506607
yes, a testbed the next one is supposed to be a orbital rocket

> The Miura 1 is a single-stage reusable suborbital rocket that uses airplane-grade kerosene as its fuel and liquid oxygen as oxidizer.

> The company aims to finalize this first step this year with the flight test of their Miura 1, their reusable suborbital rocket. The second step, already underway, involves the design, development, and flight of their partially reusable orbital rocket, the Miura 5.

https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1669787752861237249

>>15506631
i'll save you the trouble of listening
>TWO MONTHS
>trannies BAD
>banged the italian president lmao

>>15506640
based

>>15506043
>>15505886
Are these AI?

>>15506438
futurefags will live inside a computer and eat electricity

>>15506512
>have you seen the europe tour lately
what Europe tour?

>>15506650
tour of europe. they're begging him for jobs.

>>15505862
>solar power module
>QI thrusters
>brachistochrone trajectories

>>15506647
No, they obviously are not.

>>15506649
comfy

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/14bhto5/observation_shows_starlink_v2_mini_in_brightness/

>>15506692
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2306/2306.06657.pdf

>>15506692
>>15506693
This is great news, now lets see them move the goalpost.

>>15506693

>>15506695
Yeah I wonder what its going to be this time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_magnitude

pretty significant reduction if its from 5 to 8
visible to non-visible with human eye

why do they only criticize starlink

s-starship bros?

>>15506707
Do you really think they're doing this for the sake of Mars missions?

>>15506707
That will be 5 decades and trillions of dollars please

What happened to that satellite with the meme quantum drive or whatever that was going up on Transporter 8?

>>15506722
They pushed back to Transporter 9.

>>15506725
Ah right, that's why I could find anything about it when I was looking at Transporter 8 info. I wonder why they pushed it back?

>>15506601
>>15506602
Oof. One has actually launched, one might launch this year, one might launch next year, and one is still a no-show. But at least it has engines now, I guess.

>>15505300
>I'm more talking about pressure from boeing or other oldspace
They do it for Free

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIb2lHjHuVA

>>15506707
irrelevant for earth to orbit, even in space its going to be like 50%-100% ISP improvement maybe
not a threat to Starship in the short term and even then its going to affect only part of the market

i still want a military space youtuber

someone should post what about it videos every day

>>15506818
what about it is a fag

>>15506726
>I wonder why they pushed it back?
Big Newton doesn't want us to have QI drives!

>>15506462
they don't know about business. planet could be a huge revenue maker if they made it cost like 15$/month for all resolutions for the entire earth + more expensive API access and licensing.

>>15506467
>only the nosecone
reminder that starship has 3x the payload volume of this image. that really makes the seethers explode

>>15506548
>>15506551
Isn't it that only singularities produce gravitational waves? I thought even two massive binary stars wouldn't produce any.

>>15506815
Oddly specific, give an example

>>15506605
sexist mhch?

>>15506640
holy shit you're seething

>>15506869
be nice to the rocket girls! :'(

>>15506864
every mass that accelerates in a periodic fashion makes gravitational waves. even a human heart beating makes teeny tiny ones

>>15506818
Marcus House weekly summary is one of the only dignified space 'tubes.

>>15505108
I like how every patch has a dragon. Some are more subtle than others which helps break up the monotony. Hell, crew 4 had a dragonfly lol

>>15506650
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1670036709424365568

>>15506902
>leaving rome for france
I’ve seen this one before…

>>15505464
They have so much to be proud of!

>>15506133
You're a gay retard. Any kind of engineering comes with the risk of false steps or unanticipated failures and delays, which you would know if you had ever created anything of value in your life.

Yet nearly every company of every size assumes these kinds of risks, or risks that are effectively the same from a business perspective, every single day.

>>15506248
Just structure the contract differently, you fucking retard.
"We can't tell you how much it will cost to develop a nuclear weapon because we don't know what will work"
"Okay, what is your first proposed solution and how much will that cost? Not sure? How much will it cost to hit benchmark A, B, and C?"

It's easy to change the size and structure of the proposal to avoid risk. Although doing so might incur some additional costs, there is never any way to justify incentivizing contractors to spend as much as they like and guarantee a profit.

You could argue that this model works for employees, who are paid for labor that reliably costs them less than they're paid, but that's because they perform much smaller tasks and there is a large pool of replacements available.

What’s the state of Roscosmos right now?

>>15506609
For what purpose? Do they really want to start a business with no hope of being profitable in the future? Do they have that much cash to burn?

>>15506640
holy based

>>15506306
>The business has attracted the interest of large defense companies, such as BAE Systems (BAES.L) and Textron (TXT.N), as well as private equity firms, the sources added.
Better BAE or Textron than Boeing or Raytheon, I guess

>>15506692
Fuck off redditard never post here again

>>15507000
I made this thread
gonna cry about it some more? lmao

>>15506998
kek they do sound similar

Thunderf00t doesn't look all that well these days bros...

Reddit cucks OUT

Will a commercial European Space Station ever happen, with European crew and cargo capabilities? Or will they rely on Axiom + Dragon for now on?

>>15507030
not in the near future, maybe after they become cheap and commercialized and they just buy one off the shelf

>>15507030
they'll require starships to be made in Europe and launched from European territories. Elon will scoff until he sees how much gibs they'll give him.

>>15507028
Reminder that this is Chris Gebhardt from SpaceX

With the price of Niobium going up do you think we will see more substitution in non reused second stage nozzle extensions? Like steel or titanium nozzle additions that last just long enough to get the required delta V? Or similar to the RL-10 carbon-carbon expanding nozzle?

>>15507030
I hope the USA just gives the ISS to ESA / JAXA. Allows NASA to finally move on from LEO and keeps ESA / JAXA in the game.

>>15507063
>I hope the USA just gives the ISS to ESA / JAXA
Sounds nice, but realistically they're ill equipped to actually keep the station functioning without American support. Maybe if they flat-out purchase F9 launches, but that doesn't do much for their domestic space programs.

>>15506631
out now, pretty long
https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1670098987037208577

>>15507051
I'm ok with this

>>15506902
Why the frequent Macron meetings?

>>15507078
Macron's face looks like he's interested in what Musk's talking about

>>15507078
Macron is begging for a Tesla Gigafactory (there is one in Germany already) and Tesla is instead looking at Spain
simultaneously some French EU bureucrats are threatening Twitter due to speech laws or something like that, don't know if they are connected
I kind of doubt Tesla is going to build a complete gigafactory there though as France has a real problem with constant strikes, maybe some smaller factory building batteries or powerwalls or something like that

>>15507076
2:40 starts talking about how he just got there from Starbase
> getting ready for another launch, get to orbit this time hopefully, be ready in about 6-8 weeks

>>15507059
niobium isn't that expensive in the grand scheme of things
and I assure you, RL-10 isn't using carbon on carbon because of cost cutting

>>15506871
APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW YOU RAT FUCK

>>15507059
>>15507093
The niobium isn't expensive its space grade alloy is.
Price shouldn't be that sensitive to the world niobium supply.

>>15507087
Spain has huge unemployment issues (aka lower wages), is the second largest car manufacturer in Europe (so Tesla can poach plenty of people who know what they are doing) and if you are going to build a solar power plant in Europe, you better do it in Spain
France on the other hand has weekly strikes and beheading season

>>15507091
I wonder if they're actually shooting for orbit or just another 3/4 of the way round hop

>>15507091
So end of the year at the earliest then considering elon time?

First time I remember Musk talking explicitly about expanding to other star systems.

>>15507163
popsci

>>15507135
hop but its 9/10ths from a delta v stabdpoint

>>15507076
Its actually pretty good, coherent, right pacing/depth.

if you ever get annoyed about a tripfag you can always just search his code on one of the archives and report all of his recent posts
works every time

To the anon a few months ago asking for V2-chan, I raise you A4-chan

>>15507202
Kys

>>15507202
thank you
have one from the archives

>>15506902
What leader wouldn't want to be associated with success. European industrial magnates are ossified and anemic in comparison. Only some old money shitters around.

https://twitter.com/mouthofmorrison/status/1670048149010804740

>>15507262
old article from march 1, 2023

https://payloadspace.com/spacex-increases-rideshare-prices/

>>15507262
https://twitter.com/mouthofmorrison/status/1670133202294300678

>>15507262
posted launch prices not falling during hyperinflation = real launch prices falling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EzcbVeMkFI

>>15507262
SpaceX needs competition. They're the cheapest in the business and yet their margins are super fat because no one else can figure out how to not throw away tens of millions of dollars in hardware and labor and testing every launch.
>>15507268
>Labor, long-lead parts
stop machining everything out of monolithic aluminum blocks and buy more cots parts. you could easily build a functional satellite where launch is the lions share of total budget. I hate satellite design so much it's unreal

>>15507262
the government is throwing money at launch startups but the startups are still failing. spacex is natural monopoly.

>>15507292
competition between different satellite bus manufacturers should bring the cost down too, but maybe the payload attached to the bus is still a bottleneck, not really sure how that could be commoditized yet or at all (what would be the business of the satellite integrator company then)
SpaceX tends to believe in very high vertical integration and this is something that Mueller repeated in the interview as one of the big reasons why SpaceX is so cheap comparatively

>>15507309
i'd say that the payload would be affordable if satellite operators had better business models. it was posted earlier that many of them are on shaky financial grounds. >>15506462

>>15507262
I'm sure rampant inflation has nothing to do with the hikes.

>>15507336
>with the hikes.

>>15507268
delusional
>>15507273
delusional
>>15507336
delusional
the price is high because the business is young and rocketlab is still charging 300k for a flight computer and 2 million for solar panels. give it time for competition to become reasonable.

>>15507347
SpaceX needs to be regulated and the government must enforce price caps

>>15507347
>delusional
In what way? You can't just throw out accusations like that and claim it's because a non-competitor charges so and so much for their not at all comparable product.
Did you really fucking think two years of just printing money would go by without repercussions?

>>15507351
You don't even buy your own groceries.

https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1670144314192846848

>>15507355
That's just because I'm frugal