/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15455040
Because global warming is a lie.

>>15455040
>>15455048
?

>>15455040
it is
https://youtu.be/AuwOwqzT6rk

>>15455144
Bros?

>>15455144
oh wow an anti-science /pol/tard lying who could've guessed

>>15455048
this. thats why the global warming idiots needed to find a spokesperson who was so dumb they couldn't pass high school math

>>15455155
look at the so-called environmentalist getting angry upon seeing good news about the environment.
environmentalists don't love nature, they hate it and want it do die.

>>15457052

>>15455040
What reason is there for it to melt? The climate is getting colder as another anon pointed out >>15451039

>>15455040
>lower than the median
>>15455144
>posting data from the Antarctic when it’s known that the largest warming is happening in the northern hemisphere
Why do deniers lie and think no one will call them out?

>>15458515
It's also happening in the antarctic but its most evident when looking at mass due to the various factors involved e.g. >>15455155

>>/sci/thread/15451039

>>15455040
>median 1981-2010
>Earth is 4.5 billion years old but let's use an average of 29 years as a baseline for glacial extent.

>>15455155
Wow, down 2500 gt in 20 years, that's alot. Oh wait, the total mass of antarctic ice is 24,380,000 gt. Nevermind.

>>15458515
>11 years vs 20 years

>>15459472
>Wow, down 2500 gt in 20 years, that's alot. Oh wait, the total mass of antarctic ice is 24,380,000 gt. Nevermind.
This is the very definition of missing the forest for a tree.
>>15459485
>11 years vs 20 years
Do... do you not know what a baseline means... ?????

>>15459492
2500 gt is 0.0001008065% of 24,380,000 gt. That's "a really small amount" not "missing the forest for the tree"

20 years is 0.0000000044% of the earth's age of 4.5 billion years. That's called "range picking", anon.

>>15459636
>20 years is 0.0000000044% of the earth's age of 4.5 billion years. That's called "range picking", anon.
Yeah so heating up that fast is a really bad thing. Missing the forest for the trees.
>>15459636
>2500 gt is 0.0001008065% of 24,380,000 gt. That's "a really small amount" not "missing the forest for the tree"
That's a really fucking large amount in such a small amount of time, and increasing at a really fucking fast rate. Again, completely self defeating. You have got to be a troll.

>>15455040
global cooling, obviously

>>15455040
Oh no, it almost reached the average, we were all wrong guys!

>>15459789

>>15459755
You know you had the option of just walking away instead of trying to argue that one ten thousandth of one percent is "a really fucking large amount", right?

>>15460933
>no axes
Amazing graph

>>15460998
Even in the fastest warming on the interglacial it took thousands of years to increase one degree yet now we’ve accelerated the warming to a degree per 100 years

>>15461045
According to fraudulent and broken thermistors, sure. The ones in Australia were found out to over-report temps by nearly 1 entire degree celsius.

>>15460998
>>15461087
You know you had the option of just walking away instead of trying to argue everything that disagrees with you is a conspiracy, right?

>>15461112
I'm not arguing anything. I'm merely presenting a fact, something which you must accept because it is empirically proven and admitted to be true by the Australian government.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/04/14/bureau-releases-limited-parallel-data-from-brisbane-airport/
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/04/23/australia-wide-assessment-climate-change-or-instrument-change/

>>15461118
>Literally all data on climate is solely the product of Australia I guess
>Therefore climate change false
Truly the master of lying and non sequiturs you are. Completely irrelevant to >>15461045 or >>15459755 or >>15458515 or >>15455155 or >>15455065 or the topic in general. Point was, all you did was come in with a total failure of 3rd grade math and then vomit irrelevant conspiracy theories.

because our data sets are much less homogenous, complete, and robust than our soientists think they are
satellite sea ice data is reliable, but it started from the 70s during a temperature nadir. in that case soientists basically just took 10 years worth of data and assumed it would continue forever

>>15461263
>satellite sea ice data is reliable, but it started from the 70s during a temperature nadir. in that case soientists basically just took 10 years worth of data and assumed it would continue forever
Yes there are no other methods whatever, none at all, to determine extent and mass or anything else. None whatsoever. If you didn't personally see it then it don't happen.

As usual science deniers can't even do basic google searches

>>15461285
Least schizophrenic climate cultist.

>>15461263
>>15461285
The warming only took off in the 70s after regulations scrubbed all other elements except carbon, and stopped the CO2 from getting used up by life.

Even OP’s own graph shows it’s melting. As to why it’s not melting as fast as expected, it’s an illusion. It’s losing depth a lot faster than it’s losing surface area.

>>15461402
if it's melting it's global cooling, if it's increasing it's global warming. keep this in mind.

>>15461402
>it’s an illusion
why don't you trust the scientists? why do you think they're trying to trick you I sure hope you're not a paranoid schizo with fantasies of doomsday happening in two weeks. have you seen a psychiatrist about your persecutory delusions?

>>15461435
Why do you value naive people?

>>15461435
He says the complete opposite, that ice is melting faster than the graph makes it seem.

>>15461087
None of this data is from the instrumental record you fucking retard

>>15461087
sauce or b&

>>15462148
Already posted. >>15461118

>>15462518
That literally is a boomer's blog.

>>15462531
False.

>>15462536
Not only that new thermometer data is not used for global instrumental record but >>15461045 this data does not even use the instrumental record

>>15462771
>Not only that new thermometer data is not used for global instrumental record
kek! good one!

>>15455040
because global warming is fake news

>>15455040
>>15455065
le sea extent is retarded

>>15455040
>Big corporations and car manufacturers should stop spewing potentially toxic gas into the air
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT'S GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT
Why do you defend this shit so much? Why do you care if we want to pass greener bills? Literally why?

>>15464640
> we
shill

>>15464746
Shill for whom? You're the shill for large corporations.

>>15464751
shill, you may fool only fools.

>>15461435
>the world is coming to an end and it can only be stopped if you give all your money to scientists
how low iq do you have to be to fall for that scam?

>>15465430
cringe

>>15465430
>I hate science because I am desperate to feel superior to everyone and reality gets in the way of that
get help cringelord

>>15465434
omg that was pathetic shill comment. I hate toxic narcissists, and government and their scientists are fucking poison.

>>15465430
Nixon announced "the war on cancer" over half a century ago, gave the scientists a blank check and the scientists have spent over $50 trillion on themselves since, all without producing any results whatsoever. Why would anyone think the same group of people would be able to stop the climate from changing? Its doubtful that they could even tie their own shoes, let alone pull off science miracles.

>>15465843
those scientists literally did nothing wrong. you are just stupid enough to think they must care about you, and stupid enough to think there could be a magical pill to fix problems being caused by environment, food etc.

>>15465843
>all without producing any results whatsoever.
lol did a doctor steal your candy when you were a kid or are you really this retarded? You think people believe lies like that?

>>15458515
show this pic to 3rd world shitholes, not to white poeple

https://dailyrobotcompliment.com/

America has been close to a widespread crop failure for the past few years, what with the Cali-Texas drought in 2022 and now the Kansas drought, I'm sure the 1st world will get culled by famine sooner or later once farmers start roping en masse because the can get shit to grow.

This isnt the end. Think about how much food inflation we've had over the past couple years, and that's only going to get WORSE. Crisis is becoming a yearly occurrence, as it should.

>>15466003
omg. still man made climate change is bullshit.

>>15466003
>Think about how much food inflation we've had over the past couple years

>when a retard jumps from "science" to economics with no warning

>>15466030
You are a retard who cant see it unfolding before your eyes.

>>15466068
The time to talk about the science of climate change is over. Humanity made its choice long ago, and that was perpetual growth, perpetual carbon emissions. The only thing left to talk about is the consequences of our actions.

>>15466074
>The time to talk about the science of climate change is over

Does that mean you socialist faggots are finally going to shut up? Well, thank God for that!

>>15466069
there's no man made climate change, cope, shillie

>>15466074
no. time to talk about shills pushing total bullshit.

>>15461118
>wattsupwiththat
Oh wow, an anti science conspiracy blog which has been proven false on so many occasions it cannot be used as a reliable source by anyone.

>>15466003
>Think about how much food inflation we've had over the past couple years, and that's only going to get WORSE.
Literally done on purpose by the government mandating the killing of livestock and "mystery arsonists" burning down food storage sites. It has nothing to do with the environment.

>>15466291
low intelligent man can't put 2 and 2 together. Yells about it.

>>15466619
> anime pic
shill. global warming is a hoax.

>>15455040
because global warming is false narrative

>>15466536
Bill Gates is the largest owner of farmland in America and he wants population reduction.

I remember the time when /sci/ actually was about science and math. Granted, IQ threads and perpetuum mobile troll threads are as old as the board. But they are nothing to the damage that the /pol/ infestation in the wake of the Trump administration has done.

>>15467695
> I
shill

>>15467695
You're completely lying about that, nobody on this board believed in global warming in 2010-2011 either, that was the board's 1st year.
>>/sci/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=%22global+warming%22&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=2010-12-01&search_dateto=2011-12-01&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

>>15467699
Accurately identified

>>15466360
>which has been proven false on so many occasions
you can't name one specific occasion, you're just making up lies again

>>15469245
the global warming evangelists lie about everything

>>15469941
Thats where the money is in science these days

>>15467740
/pol/ didn't even exist when /sci/ was first launched.
the former new posters were all on 4chon.net

>>15465430
>how low iq do you have to be to fall for that scam?
probably double digit range

>>15471838
former /n/ poster here, can confirm. the 4chon days were as glorious as the current version of 4chon is awful

>>15467695
these leftists like bill clinton and obama shouldnt have created the GFC then. too bad they pushed for risk free mortgages and bailed out the bankers

>>15473712
How is that affecting the current interest rate on student loans?

>>15473648
4chon.me is intentionally spammed to death by the same organized group of political trannys that spam this board with tranny propaganda

>>15466074
CO2 does not cause global warming, CO2 is not a "greenhouse gas". Mars would be much, much warmer if CO2 were a "greenhouse gas" but instead the average temperature on Mars is practically identical to the planetary equilibrium temperature, which means that insulating effect of CO2 is nonexistent

>>15467695
>the /pol/ infestation in the wake of the Trump administration has done.
Reddit infestation is what you mean. /pol/ was here just doing it's own thing in 2015 & 2016, after Trump got elected, 4chan was flooded by Redditiers and other anti-Trump types who were upset at 4chan for it's support of Trump.

>>15458515
temperature of what?

>>15459446
>>>/sci/thread/15451039
good thread

>>15477300
>upset at 4chan for it's support of Trump.
Trump's candidacy was only ever meme'd into existence to begin with because he was the least boring available candidate. 2016 would've been a bush-clinton rerun if /pol/ hadn't stepped in to make things more lively and amusing. nobody on /pol/ ever even liked trump all that much other than for his entertainment value. trump is a total kike lover a new yorker with jewish in laws, not really /pol/'s type of guy, but still way way better than a boring bush clinton rerun.
trump delivered on the excitement too, what a ride, minted new meme on a daily basis

global warming denying. lol. lmao actually. and you people call liberals snowflakes. literally everything has to be contrarian conspiracy with you people. people and organizations are just as retarded as you, there's not some grand scam to funnel money here. its good to be skeptical but for gods sake use some critical thinking and self reflection.

sun change denialists are sick

>>15479094
global warming is fake

>>15479094
>I come to 4chan to defend the mainstream establishment from criticism

>>15480761
the irony, yes, 4chan is full of government lovers (for money)

>>15477300
>4chan was flooded by Redditiers and other anti-Trump types
they're all still here too, /sci/ is packed to the gills with humorless leftists. have you seen how they all chimp out at the /sci/ humor thread?

>>15455040
because global warming is fake af

>>15480111
this can't be real

>>15479039
lmao shut the fuck up. if you think the things that are discussed on /pol/ ever reach beyond .01% of the most terminally online autists and become real political motivators to any normal human being you are beyond delusional and possibly braindead. The people who voted for trump are not all groyped-up epic memers like you, and no one is gonna let you run their campaign for you, retard.

>>15455065
Just zoom into the picture theory

>>15482839

>>15482839

>>15456009
>that could've been me

>>15466074
>2006 to 2021
irrelevant, antarctic was not covered by ice at some point in earth's history, was this too caused by "CO emissions" from western developed countries?

>>15485948
>lets devote our lives to looking for problems we can blame on the western world's middle class and then use those problems, imaginary or real, as a justification for demanding ever more money from the western world's middle class.
>lets keep this up until we've driven the middle class into abject poverty and destroyed all of the economic progress they made during the 20th century
HAY GUISE, THE POLAR CAPS ON MARS ARE SHRINKING!!!!
OMG THIS IS WHITE PPLS FAULT!!!!
THEY NEED TO GIVE AWAY ALL THEIR MONEY AND STARVE TO DEATH BECAUSE OF THIS

>worked in textile industry as an expat in china
>so much fucking pollution just 100km from coastal region(shanghai)
>they just dump contaminated water in rivers, ponds
>plastic is used at absurd level for everyday use, like each individual fruit is packed in plastic, a pack of candies is packed in plastic packaging in groups which is packed on plastic with individual candies are packed in plastic

just no, address this "issue" to those people not to western countries

>>15486019
>go on west coast use beach
>tons of plastic shit at the rack line
>hahaha americans are such slobs
>look closer
>only thing legible on the plastic crap is chink runes
>go on river beach inland from usa west coast
>pristine

>>15486811
90% of all plastic pollution comes from China and just washes over.

>>15464640
>why do you care so much if I exert my political will over you!
Anon really?

>>15486901
Chinas pollution is spent making plastic slop for the rest of the world.

>>15487660
No, it's plastic slop for their billions of people.

>>15464640
CO2 is good for the environment, CO2 is not a greenhouse gas. Water vapor is the only significant greenhouse gas in our atmosphere.

>15458515
Must be hard working as a paid shill for the kike agenda, coming in here with your doomsday-cult bullshit and getting fucking humiliated and laughed at over and over again.

But at least the 2¢ per post pay is good, right?

>>15459755
We don't have month on month data for all the billions of years earth has existed. Ice core estimates are immense cope, no way they're extracting anything with high resolution

>>15461045
>Ice core data
How smoothed is it? Is each ice core sample an average of 100 years around it?

>>15488975
>We don't have month on month data for all the billions of years earth has existed. Ice core estimates are immense cope, no way they're extracting anything with high resolution
Which you know from all those citations you don't have?

>>15455040
Never was, simple as.

>>15489176
>my source? a scientist I agree with said the same thing
I know it because it's very obvious.
thermometer data only exists for the last 200-odd years, most of which is worthless in climatological analysis. (no time, place, no global average for a while for example)
As for the second part it's conjecture in a sea of conjecture. I'm waiting on the scientists to quantify what an ice core reading represents; an average of the 10 years surrounding the ice core's date? 100, 10,000, 10,000,000?
to say that the modern temperature record shows a rate of change far exceeding that of the ice core record is obvious; One is much higher resolution, the maximum rate of change is far higher. if it was 1 degree cooler a million years ago according to the oxygen-18 isotopic ratio in the ice, you can't expect me to believe the average temperature across the entire earth for that entire million years stayed almost exactly the same

>>15489184
>I know it because it's very obvious.
Which you know because of all those citations you don't have?

>>15489184
>>15488977
>>15488975
>I am ignorant of the subject and methodologies but I'll just state its wrong
First of all, ice core temperature estimates are regional and a large variety of proxies from different locations are used to estimate GLOBAL temperature change.
CO2 from ice cores on the other hand are a global measurement since CO2 mixes really fast in the atmosphere.
Ice core data does indeed have sufficient resolution to resolve changes in CO2 and temperature when combined with other proxies. for example, corals have monthly resolution for temperature estimates.
Since I know you won't look at papers or look up data I plotted ice core CO2 data with an added 100 and 200 year averages and you'd see that the recent changes can be captured by ice cores

>>15482935
remember, to be an economist, zoom out, and to be a scientist, zoom in, until the point you are trying to force appears valid.

>>15489527
>hockey stick
fake af

>>15489527
>i drew lines in paint therefore my lies are facts
Yeah ok schizo.

The ice stubbornly refuses to participate in the global warming hoax

>>15490669
Why doesn't nature listen to science?

>>15490669
> top scientists
translation from globohomo lingo: bottom parasites

global warming is just another fake media created hysteria

>>15455040
>Why isn't it melting?
But it is? Can't you see that 2018-2023 is obviously below the 1981-2010 average? What did you think everybody would fall asleep one day and it'd all be gone once we wake up?

>>15491830
This. They can't promote it without lying.

nasa would totally never fake data to make it look like global warming is real, nasa have never lied about anything before
>this is what midwits actually believe

>>15492130
>2018-2023
sup greta

>>15485974
How can mars even have polar caps made of dry ice if CO2 is a greenhouse gas? How does Mars manage to get cold enough for dry ice polar caps with a 99% CO2 atmosphere?

>>15494569
Maybe co2 isn't a greenhouse gas

>>15487934
not exclusively, china isn't discriminating, if you have cash and and want to buy plastic trinkets they will sell it to you

>>15495544
It isn't, global warming is a big hoax

>>15494569
Dumbfuck, the atmosphere of Mars is less than 1% the volume of Earth's atmosphere. That's like pouring a drop of water on a campfire and asking why the campfire kept burning.

>>15497781
Mars has over 2000% more CO2 per unit surface area than Earth does, yet Mars has no detectable greenhouse effect. CO2 is not a greenhouse gas

>>15455040
Because global warming is a false narrative that was created as a means for greedy wasteful sºyentists to demanded even more free gibes money than the lazy losers already get

>>15499606
This.

>>15490758
why is science so fucking lame that it gets humiliated by ice, one of the smallest, lightest and lowest iq molecules known to exist?

>>15497781
The scale height of the atmosphere is about 10.8 km, which is higher than Earth's (6 km) because the surface gravity of Mars is only about 38% of Earth's

>>15494569
Maybe Mars is like, 50% further away from Earth or something idk.

>>15501743
you sure do seem well informed

>>15501743
So Venus being closer means CO2 isn't causing their warming, right?

>>15503495
Why wouldn't it?

>>15503502
Climate söyentists say that it's hot solely because of CO2, not because it's extremely close to the hottest thing in the solar system. You're saying the opposite is true of Mars.

>>15503515
What
Greenhouse effect causes infrared radiation from the surface to be reabsorbed. It makes the point of thermal equilibrium higher. I don't see how Mars being colder and Venus being hotter somehow disproves the greenhouse effect.
I have never heard anyone say that Venus is hot solely because of CO2.

>>15503521
Mars has 2000x the CO2 per unit area compared to Earth and no greenhouse effect exists.

>>15503524
Sure it does. Why wouldn't it?

>>15503525
Söyentists say that it doesn't. Do you trust the söyence?

>>15503526
CO2 by its nature creates a greenhouse effect. It lets more sunlight through than the reemitted light from the surface so that's always the case. Mars doesn't have much atmosphere to retain the heat and it also receives a fraction of the sunlight that Earth does so of course the effect is very small.

>>15503529
>CO2 by its nature creates a greenhouse effect.
So why do the söyentists say that it doesn't, when the planet has more CO2? Why all this wishy-washy business for Mars when on Earth it's supposedly a devil gas?

>>15503531
I don't know where you heard that. Melting Mars ice caps to increase the amount of CO2 to cause more heating is a popular idea among pop-sci crowd so the idea that CO2 on Mars somehow doesn't have a greenhouse effect certainly isn't a popular one.
Never heard anyone say it doesn't. Afaik the estimates are there's something like 6 K of greenhouse effect from CO2 on Mars or whatever.
You really are obsessed with "söyentists". Are those "söyentists" here in the room with us? Can you tell me what they are saying?

>>15503553
>Never heard anyone say it doesn't. Afaik the estimates are there's something like 6 K of greenhouse effect from CO2 on Mars or whatever.
The söyentists at the ESA say there's none at all. It sounds like you're a MAGA chud and probably a nazi to boot.

>>15503556
https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Venus_Express/Greenhouse_effects_also_on_other_planets
>The Red Planet displays hardly any greenhouse effect. Mars does have some atmospheric carbon dioxide, but almost no atmosphere! The existing atmosphere is so thin that it cannot retain energy from the Sun. There are therefore extreme temperature contrasts between day and night and sun or shade.
Where did you read that? ESA doesn't say there's no greenhouse effect. It says it's small and lists the reason why it is so.

>>15463959
Why?

>>15503746
because a lot of ice is in huge glaciers above sea level and can go into the sea and spread out when it (partially) melts/collapses
surface area of sea ice is simply not a useful measurement, at least by itself

>>15503751
That's a good point, plus ice is less dense than water.

>>15459636
>2500 gt is 0.0001008065% of 24,380,000 gt.
>doesn't understand what a % sign means
opinion disregarded

>>15503808
Posting a forced meme is at least a step up from lying. But not a big one.

>>15503751
right, the glaciers calve into the sea and magically thin out, they don't float 90% below the surface, sea ice has 0 density.

>>15504336
by your retarded logic there should be no ice coverage anywhere in the sea
I mean, it's 90% below the surface

>Mars has over 2000% more CO2 per unit surface area than Earth does, yet Mars has no detectable greenhouse effect. CO2 is not a greenhouse gas
Frozen as dry ice, no, it isn't. Part of being a greenhouse gas is being a 'gas' (or at least a vapour).

>>15504351
He is retarded but he's correct about that (not the specific number since it's closer to 37 times the CO2 than 20).
On Earth's there's 4.44 kg of atmospheric CO2 per square meter while on Mars there's 165 kg per square meter.

>>15504374
So there's actually more CO2 than he said (he was understating it) and still no greenhouse effect. Amazing what liars the climate cult turned out to be.

>>15504397
Sure there is. But the greenhouse effect is very small for small irradiance and the atmosphere of Mars is way more transparent than Earth's so as you would expect the greenhouse effect on Mars is something like 5 to 10 times weaker.

>>15455048
FPBP

>b-b-but Al Gore said it would all be gone by 2015

>>15505468
I guess don't listen to politicians?

>>15505470
True. Listening to politicians like the IPCC is a fool's errand. They always lie.

>>15505473
The point being Al Gore's job is to get elected, he has no studies or measurements to point to. The IPCC is practically one of the only reliable sources on climate science, along with universities.

>>15505500
>The IPCC is practically one of the only reliable sources on climate science
kek! Good one anon!

>>15467740
Wow, even in 2010 there were dumb cunts asking leading questions about global warming on here

>>15455040
Oh look, a right-leaning peon regurgitating the talking points spewed by political and media figures that are shilling for big oil.
You need to realize how much you're being manipulated. You're lying to yourself if you can't feel how the weather has progressively gotten warmer over the last 50 years. Remember, these things cannot change overnight, but the mean is shifting in the wrong direction. We're going to start seeing more climate refugees, coastal flooding, and food shortages as ecosystems are disrupted. If you think the immigration problem is bad now, just you wait.
Nevermind that the source of this problem, fuel combustion, uses up a finite resource that we must disassociate from if our energy production is to be sustainable.
So let me ask you- why do you advocate that we keep combusting these fuels if we know it carries untold risk and is a finite resource?

>>15505602
>You're lying to yourself if you can't feel how the weather has progressively gotten warmer over the last 50 years.
lmfao

>>15505500
>The point being Al Gore's job is to get elected
He failed at that, so its good odds his scientific opinions are all wrong.

>>15505610
>look anons if I'm retarded and do the modeling wrong the data confirms my bias
lmao

>>15505614
Oh is this a conspiracy now? Is NOAA lying to say that climate change isn't happening?

>>15505620
>Oh is this a conspiracy now? Is NOAA lying to say that climate change isn't happening?
oh my bad thought you were the idiot who kept reposting a different chart. Sorry about that. In your case you're just the idiot posting US temperature data and pretending that's the globe.

...And upon further investigation I retract my apology. You appear to also be posting manipulated data charts to remove the observed warming.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/climate-at-a-glance/national/time-series
Even if you weren't, it's goddamn dumb to look solely at the United States and go "GLOBAL climate change don't real".

>>15505649
>manipulated data charts
LMAO
Every kind of cope in one post. You're such a bad liar.

>>15505651
>no argument
typical of science deniers. get caught lying fling more shit pretend everyone else is lying instead

>>15505653
I'm sure people will believe your lies this time. lmao

>>15505610
someone claiming to we well over 50 and posting on 4chan is also equally funny

>>15506543
True. There's no way he has any idea what the weather was like 30 years ago, let alone 50.

>>15505500
>The point being Al Gore's job is to get elected
he sucked at that, clearly an idiot, so its reasonable to expect that he is wrong about global warming too