/sci/ - Science & Math

>tfw the final boss of life appeared

Imagine having such a bleak and depressive outlook on life despite having 0 evidence to back it up. You liberals really are a piece of work.

What you call "science" will be torn down, replaced with a rational system of thought and people like you will be laughed at and scorned until the end of time.

>>15489481
Based
>>15489486
Kys schizo

>>15489481
Considering it is almost always advanced from an anti-science angle you would think "off topic" or "trolling" would suffice to permaban such people. The continued lack of moderation of /sci/ and its wallowing in /xpol/ retardation is just the result of a lack of even basic consistent moderation, you'd swear only one jannie dropped by the board once a month

>>15489481
Repent you godless heathen. Its not too late. Your soul can still be saved.

>>15489481

You are currently experiencing the subjective feeling of, as Chalmers would put it, "what it is like to be buck broken."

>>15489486
>Imagine having such a bleak and depressive outlook on life
kindergarten level argumentation

>>15489500

>trying to ascertain the true nature of reality is now anti-science

You are a full blown dogmatist.

>>15489508

And yet, you live your life in a hierarchy of meaning that you deny exists. As least be honest with yourself.

>materialist tards are now running from threads after losing arguments to whine and complain that it isn't fair

Babies, the lot of ya. Can't take the rigor, huh?

>>15489514
>you live your life in a hierarchy of meaning
I don't even know what that's supposed to mean.
>As least be honest with yourself.
Ah yes "deep down you know it's true, just believe what feels good" that's cult level argumentation.

I cast curaga.

>>15489509
>You are a full blown dogmatist.
You don't know what that means.
>>15489518
I'll let you know if I ever see anything approaching "rigor" from you lot. Also, far as I know, I am the only idiot wasting any time on you idiots, and OP ain't me. The just-so stories you tell yourself about everyone else are amazing.

>>15489481
maybe you are a meaningless blob of space dust. perhaps if there was a purpose to your life you would stop being so depressed? touch grass

>>15489521

You claim there is no meaning, yet you generate meaning through the simple act of choosing where to direct your attention.

For example, you wake up and you're thirsty, you have to pee, you want to shower, you're hungry, and you have work to do. But because you operate in a temporal environment, you necessarily must choose what to do and in what order. That is ascribing meaning right there, even if you do not realize it.

On an even deeper level, you cannot live in the world without a hierarchy of meaning. The very act of perceiving the world is ascribing meaning to random blobs of color. You look at blob and think "chair." You are ascribing a meaning to that blob based on the utility of the idea of sitting down. Likewise for every "thing" that you ever conceive.

You can say there is no meaning all you want, but you can't escape it. You can only hide.

>>15489543

You are dogmatic in your materialist belief system. I know exactly what it means.

>>15489547
You are using the ostensibly quotidian word "meaning" to smuggle in a whole lot of magic woo-y bullshit, which is unwarranted since for purely practical purposes a materialist definition of "meaning" more than suffices.

>>15489481
>You are a dumb animal acting out your genetic programming.
That is not science but religion. You are cherry picking some facts and making a value judgement. I'm not religious myself and have a physicalistic worldview but you are a legit autist if you are not trolling.

>>15489481
shit eating schizo on another seething rant for his attention fix

>>15489564
What value judgement? He just stated basic facts.
Dumb = you don't even have the abilities of a pocket calculator, etc.

>>15489567
oh this guy still here?

>>15489573
That dialogue between two actual intelligent scientists is much too high level for a simple retard like yourself, that is why you are lost. Your problem is you are not only a cluster B psychotic, but also extremely stupid,

>>15489481
Free will exists because there is no force railroading your decisions.
>B-But muh chemicals! Muh instincts!
People have consciously cut their limbs off cause they got trapped. They could have chosen to die, they could have avoided the pain complex but they overrode their pain principle to survive.
You choose to close your mind to this idea to avoid personal responsibility

>>15489568
There are many other facts and nuances but you have already decided that none of that matters more than your particular selection and interpretations. For example: I could say that genes express themselves in many different ways, like some people posting on 4chan while others make art, but then you will go full Zapffe on me and say that everything is cope and so on.

>>15489576
>dialogue between two actual intelligent scientists
>unironically use "but that would put the religious doctrine in contradiction with itself" as an argument
go back to /biz/ btw

>>15489579
Do you deny that an animal which has the abilities of a supercomputer in addition to the usual human capabilities is smarter than the human?

>>15489554

Meaning itself is divine, retard. Matter cannot generate meaning because matter is all fundamentally the same. A chair is no different from a table except in the mind. The mind that you claim doesn't exist lmao

>>15489577

Their genetics caused them to value life over pain. Not some magic fairy in the sky.

>>15489585
I deny abusing a particular set of facts, logic and reason to kill myself like many pessimistic and antinatalist youtubers who reason just like you do and are either dead or homeless drug users that have nothing left but their 'superior' intellect.

>>15489585

What do you mean by smarter?

>>15489552
>You are dogmatic in your materialist belief system. I know exactly what it means.
nope try again

>>15489588
What are you talking about? You seem to be having some emotional outburst. My point is that stating that humans are dumb is not a value judgement, it's just a basic fact

>>15489577
>People have consciously cut their limbs off cause they got trapped ...
.... in a body of the wrong gender

>>15489582
a monster a tip this morning to make massive gains. at this hour of the day dunking on /sci/ psueds and schizos is my gig while I print money

WARNING

STOP READING THIS THREAD OR YOU ARE RETARDED, TOO MANY RETARDED PEOPLE - OP INCLUDED

>>15489587
>value
a meaningless concept without subjective experience from a conscious mind.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Stolen-Concept-Fallacy

>>15489612
>a meaningless concept without subjective experience from a conscious mind.
Which we have. Just not your ridiculous notion of it. Cope and seethe.

>>15489594
Judging intelligence by the ability to do matrix multiplication is the most retarded thing I have ever heard
> humans are dumb is not a value judgement, it's just a basic fact
Speak for yourself

>>15489586
>Meaning itself is divine, retard
Proving OPs point to a t. Please fuck off back to >>>/x/

>>15489628
Not being able to do matrix multiplications or realize their vast applicability is one of the reasons you're dumb

>>15489619

Value is relational. Relations require differentiation. How could matter ever differentiate itself, considering all matter is the same?

"Things" do not exist outside of mind. Value does not exist outside of mind. Mind is not and cannot be matter; if it was matter it would never be able to conceive differentiation and therefore value.

>>15489632

See >>15489636

If consciousness doesn't exist, what causes you to type words and post? Your arm movements? Then what causes that? The root cause is consciousness fagpots

>>15489636
>>15489638
pure schizobabble

>>15489481
I'm taking massive shit right now. Get your bowl ready schizo boi

>>15489659
I need poo

>retards. retards everywhere

>>15489641
You all lost here.

Do you submit to your master brain Barkun?

Now lick my bootel.

humans are very significant part of the universe, we're the only beings even capable of knowing the universe exists and learning how it operates or changing it to our liking, having an effect on suns and terraforming planets

>>15489679
I sorted this through my mind filter.

It's only small. It can be made small it will be.

Consciousness and free will remain unexplained by science. Their provably uncomputable properties (in a mathematical sense) make them not amenable to a rigorous scientific approach. The only other known phenomena with uncomputable properties so far are in the quantum realm. The obvious approach is to link these two topic. Von Neumann recognized this, and Penrose + Hameroff came up with a quite promising theory for a mechanism of interaction between the physical and the mental world. You may not like it. You may reject it on an ideological basis. But it remains unrefuted and is currently the most plausible attempt at tackling the hard problem of consciousness.

>>15489644

I'm sorry you are not intelligent enough to comprehend. But just because someone is smarter than you does not make them schizophrenic.

In fact, you are utterly locked into left brain thinking and do not use your right brain. Interestingly, schizophrenia is associated with left brain thinking and not right brain thinking. The left brain also divides everything into conceptual objects and is unable to see the whole. This is you. You are scientifically closer to schizophrenia than me. How about that?

>>15489693
I'm out.

>>15489696
take me with you

>>15489710
A bit of calm goes a long way, enough to forgive you for being retarded. It can and *might* be done.

>>15489696

Why?

TFW it goes matter, energy, magic, chi

Theoretically there is dark energy and magic and chi and anti energy and magic and chi

Mind = blown

>>15489725
Dark magic could supply a gun with infinite ammo

Dark energy could make phasing through walls possible.

>>15489727
>Dark energy could make phasing through walls possible.
Quantum tunneling is already happening without dark energy.

>>15489722
>>15489718
I ain't mad at you. It's part of the pain. I am completely generous about the situation and happy to let it go. You paint me wrongly. Probably true as well.

>>15489733
Phasing isn't the correct word - passing is better or jumping.

>>15489738
There's always a good version of any evil that's 4x great, same effect and additional. Perhaps start there. No weak gained. No weak lost. Go by this rule

>>15489749
Made for this situation

"But it's your evil" - dupe

>>15489759
Shut up doofus hells not that bad plus you're probably forgiven

>>15489481
Materialist hylic spotted

>>15489779
But we have no choice retards

Don't u c

>>15489481
>YOU'RE A MEANINGLESS LOB OF SPACE DUST

>>15489481

Let's see who is woo here.

1. You have never directly experienced matter, particles, fields waves, etc because you are stuck in consciousness. You are the one speaking of far out unknowable things.

2. You can't deduce consciousness from matter, so your entire materialist paradigm is bunk.

>>15490738
>You have never directly experienced matter
I did. Unlike you I had sex.

>>15489500
Jannie team is full /pol/yps so dont expect help from them.

>>15489481
hello, meaningless blob of space dust

>>15489486
Define free will then.

>>15489786
Ignoring for a moment that it originates from some retarded schizo belief system, it's also incorrect and lazy to call anyone who doesn't share your dualist or idealist opinions a 'hylic'. Materialists can be just as focused on intellectual and spiritual realities, they just have a different opinion of the metaphysical relations between these realities.
Disregarding all that it is also just very childish to insult someone with an insult that presupposes your very belief system.

>>15490957
acausal selfdeterminacy

>>15491018
>hylic screeching

>>15489481
Explain how your thread is on topic nigger .amazing jannies javeubf removed this shit syet

>>15490738

Yeah. When you cut through all the BS, these two points are indisputable facts.

>>15489691
>The obvious approach is to link these two topic
what jeet-tier logic is this?

>>15491343
It's called IQ. You may not have it. When a person smarter than you observes two phenomena exhibiting similar properties which are unique compared to all other known phenomena then it is just common sense to investigate this similarity.

>>15491343

>nooooo it's not in a bullshit peer reviewed journal, it can't be true!

>>15489481
This is obviously true to anyone over the age of 10 with half a brain cell. I want a site with the basedness of 4chan and the objective correctness of LessWrong

>>15492090
Redirecting you to reddit.com ...

>>15492090

Like these guys?

>>15492361
At least 3 out of the 4 people on the right side of that image macro have been accused of sexual assault.

>>15489481
>nothing matters
>I am so sick of these woo idiots spamming this board with their Deepak Chopra "science."

>>15489691
>Consciousness and free will remain unexplained by science.

This pretty much, though I do think science will let us see some of what consciousness is about.

>>15490957

>>15489481
>our board
You are a drooling retard who never added anything of value to this board schizo. "your board" is /LGBT/

>>15489481
i know this is just a bait post, but everything in it is correct except denying consciousness being real.

>>15490957
the ability to have done otherwise.

just like 'god', unless it is proven to exist, it is reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist. thus; no free will.

>>15489481
>>be physics major
The fact that particles behave differently when observed links matter to consciousness. This leads some to speculate that science is somehow spiritual. Or the converse. This may definitely be a conceit because it subsumes consciousness as something spiritual. It may indeed be immaterial but that is not necessarily the same as spiritual.

>>15489554
I think this anon is saying that consciousness gives existence meaning.

>>15492374

To be fair, Einstein was probably railing chicks left and right

>>15493172
>particles behave differently when observed links matter to consciousness.
If you shine a light on something then the light waves/particles interact with that something. That has nothing to do with ''consciousness''. This argument has been repeated over 9000 times.
Also also also hear me out bro: a saw a molecular mobile reproduction factory called a ''woman'' once and she started behaving differently when she noticed that I noticed that she was noticing me noticing her.

>>15489481
I was thinking of a statistical zero-sum game utilizing platonic structures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie_algebra

The idea is to define a lie algebra utilizing a operator, which has a statistically super-symmetric zero possibility to ever occur. Utilizing cubic mappings to a square mapping to solve for quartic (4th order)

It would be a binary operation, to a discrete set in stochastically sciences. The notion to be that two events can posses a commodifying attribute that they have no casual implication on the other.

>>15493252
>If you shine a light on something then the light waves/particles interact with that something.
But this interaction does not cause collapse of the wave function. See Wheeler's cosmic interferometer. A conscious observer is necessary.

>>15493256
wave function doesn't collapse because it's just a statistical description. superdeterminism.

yes i will keep saying this.

>>15493091
blind: rainbow doesn't exist.

>>15493256
NTA, but can you tell me what an integral is in your own words. I'm curious about something.

>>15493264
there is proof of rainbows existing, and the blind understand their predicament.

>>15489481

Instead of thinking up new reasons to spend time doing nothing productive, Get a life you lazy fuck.

>>15493293
>be le producer drone!
is that what you call advice?

>>15493278
How could you prove to a blind person that rainbows exist?

>>15493265
>I'm curious about something.
What is it that you're curious about? If you want math tutoring you gotta pay me. The lower your level of knowledge, the higher the price. Since you say "an integral" without specifying which notion of integral I'll assume you're a calculus high school kiddie who doesn't even understand the many layers of possible answers. For only 1 BTC I might teach you.

>>15493304
you can't. but they can feel their eyes or eye sockets, so they have very good reason to believe that they're missing something critical. the same cannot be said for those who claim to 'feel god' vs those who feel so such thing. there is no organ for that.

>>15493304
Blind people can celebrate pride month too.

>>15493307
Okay, I see now that you haven't even taken calculus, but you are here positing bullshit about QM.

>>15493326
>look mom, I'm projecting

>>15489481
I think therefore I am.

>>15493262
>just a statistical description
I will never not be amazed how stupid most of the people on this board are

>>15493251
Only his relatives

>>15489481
>You are a meat computer.
Computers need software and hardware.
Meat software is called consciousness while the hardware is called protein.

>>15489508
>kindergarten level argumentation
And? You ever heard of "using the right tool for the job"? There's no need to rent a backhoe when a shovel will get the job done.

>>15494840
You mom is a hoe and starts giving away all sorts of jobs to anyone's tool as soon as someone shovels a drink into her face.

>>15493508
explain why that's stupid.

>>15495209

>>15489481
>I am so sick of these woo idiots spamming this board with their Deepak Chopra "science."
I have literally never seen such threads on this board.

>>15495220
you must be new

>>15495239
I'm not. I've literally never seen any deepak chopra threads on 4chan. That's middle-age women shit.

>>15493302
Balance is key. Don't become a lazy useless pseudo-philosopher, and don't turn into an obedient slave either.

>>15495220
Deepak is just OP's strawperson. He willfully decided to be angry about people who disagree with his pop soi superdeterminism he learned from watching Sabine on youtube without knowing the mathematical formalism of QM.

>>15489481
I posted the same thing a week ago complaining about non-materialist spam. Got banned for "trolling" outside of /b/

>>15495249
>Deepak is just OP's strawperson
Okay so you admit that I'm right and OP is making up bullshit that hasn't happened.

>>15495250
Kek, well deserved. Based janny.

>>15489481
"Our consciousness influences universal timelessness"
"Matter is a modality of spiritual mysteries"
"True faith requires unique acceptance"
"The ego illuminates descriptions of images"
"Awareness is beyond sub empirical creativity"
"The mind is only possible in quantum potentiality"
http://wisdomofchopra.com/

>>15495250
I reported you

>>15495209
you can empirically witness the results of the double slit experiment. How else do you think they knew it was a wave and a particle result ffs retard. I mean wtf kind of retarded shit are you even saying

>>15495573
I think you misunderstood him. Not collapsing means it is not literally two states at the same time. To assert that would require you somehow measure it without changing something or interaction, which on that scale is not possible. In effect, rather stating that it's deterministic and that is also compatible with changing states based on interaction for example. There are multiple ways to frame it.

Point is you're not understanding what he means. Though maybe he is retarded idk

>>15495573
the wave function is not the same thing as the wave pattern observed in the double slit experiment, lol. please read even just the first line of the wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_function

and you can ctrl+f 'double slit', it isn't mentioned at all on the page.

i keep encountering people who suffer this confusion

>>15495469
keeeeeek this should become a copypasta

>>15489481
>I am so sick of these woo idiots
Han loyalist hands wrote this post.

>>15489518
>schizo is assuming everyone making every thread on a board is about him
what the fuck are you talking about