/sci/ - Science & Math

space is gay

>>15489804
then this is the right place for me

you forgot the edition but I guess Musk doesn't need introduction

https://spacenews.com/firefly-aerospace-acquires-spaceflight-inc/

> WASHINGTON — Firefly Aerospace announced June 8 it has acquired Spaceflight Inc., adding its satellite transportation services to its portfolio of launch vehicles and spacecraft.

> In a statement announcing the acquisition, Firefly said acquiring Spaceflight would help it offer “end-to-end” space transportation services, which includes the Alpha launch vehicle, Blue Ghost lunar lander and Space Utility Vehicle transfer vehicle.

> Spaceflight Inc. was known as a leader in arranging launches of small satellites on small launch vehicles or as secondary payloads on larger launch vehicles, deploying more than 460 payloads. Spaceflight had also developed its own series of orbital transfer vehicles called Sherpa, using a mix of chemical and electric propulsion systems.

> AE Industrial Partners (AEI) acquired Firefly Aerospace in 2022 after Max Polyakov, the Ukrainian entrepreneur who acquired the assets of the former Firefly Space Systems out of bankruptcy in 2017, was forced by the federal government to divest his stake. AEI led a $75 million round in Firefly in March 2022 and brought in Weber as chief executive in September.

we need someone to start dealing exclusively in reusable second stages

>>15489832
> Firefly is preparing for the third launch of its Alpha rocket as part of a tactically responsive launch demonstration for the Space Force, carrying a satellite called Victus Nox. Part of the demonstration will require calling up the rocket for launch in just 24 hours.

>Firefly announced a partnership with Northrop Grumman in August 2022 to develop a new first stage for Northrop’s Antares rocket, using engines Firefly is developing. The companies plan to offer that vehicle, designated MLV, to the Space Force for its National Security Space Launch Phase 3 competition.

>The company has secured two NASA awards through the agency’s Commercial Lunar Payload Services program for lunar lander missions using its Blue Ghost lander. The first is scheduled for 2024 and the second, awarded to Firefly in March, will deploy a spacecraft in lunar orbit and land on the far side of the moon in 2026.

https://fireflyspace.com/blue-ghost/

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/08/investing-in-space-rockets-chase-to-compete-with-spacexs-falcon-9.html

> No rocket has been better-described as a “workhorse” than SpaceX’s Falcon 9. Historically a term reserved for the likes of ULA’s Delta II (now retired) or Russia’s Soyuz (now unavailable) or China’s Long March (also unavailable), the blistering pace of Falcon 9 missions has seen the company blow past 200 launches to date, and become the staple of the Western market.

Launch vehicle classes by mass
Super heavy 30,000+
Heavy 11,341–30,000
Intermediate 5,4447–11,340
Medium 2,269–5,443
Small 501–2,268
Micro ≤ 500

> The launch market “sweet spot” for leading new entrant rockets – ULA’s Vulcan, Rocket Lab’s Neutron, Relativity’s Terran R, Firefly’s MLV – is in that heavy class. Aside from Blue Origin’s New Glenn, the early theme is rockets that are close to the capability of Falcon 9 and less expensive. We’ve recently learned that Rocket Lab is targeting a price tag of about $50 million per launch for Neutron, while Relativity has been selling Terran R for about $45 million. Falcon 9 is advertised for $67 million per launch.

> While Smith sees there being plenty of room to play in the heavy market for new rockets, the danger is “how much of the pie is everybody going to get” in that class. But he’s confident that the “workhorse — not sexy — doing the hauling of the mail” type rockets will continue to be in demand from customers.

>And even with Starship looming large, Smith doesn’t expect the heavy-class to be made obsolete.

>“There will always be a need for a certain family of vehicles to pick from. I don’t think Starship will be the panacea or silver bullet for all launch needs, and I think that Falcon 9 will be very hard to stop for SpaceX because the customer base will really want it,” Smith said.

>>15489832
A reminder that SpaceX banned their Sherpa tug because it was brapping on other customers sats.

After Starship I hope they stop with this chemical rockets nonsense and focus on Skyhook and Orbital assembly.

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1666074283737481216

> Westinghouse is developing a scaled-down version of the 5-MWe eVinci™ microreactor to power spacecraft in orbit or for deployment on the surface of planetary bodies such as the Moon or Mars, providing continuous power for space research and other applications. The inherent simplicity of the eVinci technology supports these critical space missions by providing a reliable, resilient, low-mass power generation system that can be operated autonomously. The technology is ideal for electricity generation for the lunar surface, satellites and electric propulsion.

the non-scaled version from 2019
https://www.westinghousenuclear.com/energy-systems/evinci-microreactor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh6BKKFxN_g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr0b2ICd1wE

>>15489852
And yet the analysts continuously fail to realize that SpaceX can happily cut their prices to $40 million per launch and still make a significant profit, and they're just holding prices at $67 million because nobody else is offering an available product or service that can touch them yet.

>>15489832
https://twitter.com/Firefly_Space/status/1666838186700558336

https://fireflyspace.com/news/firefly-aerospace-acquires-spaceflight-to-bolster-on-orbit-services/

>>15489862
yeah the analysis seemed really flimsy here
the only reason not to use SpaceX would be that either you can't due to being forced to use some government launcher or you have other non-direct non-monetary reasons like SpaceX being a direct competitor
but I'll guess we will see
I wouldn't be surprised if in a price war, bezos would fly New Glenns below cost, not sure Relativity and Rocketlab have the funding to do that though

>>15489832
>>15489837
>>15489852
>>15489860
When the spinning ball-Earth is finally exposed worldwide for the 400+ year deception it was, Earth's entire population will suddenly be faced with the reality that every government, every space agency, university, secret society, religious organization, mainstream and alternative media outlet have ALL been duplicitous in propping up a monstrous manipulation to fleece and control the masses. The resulting mass mental exodus away from the control system is exactly what humanity needs. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these lying politicians, spokesmen, reporters and teachers suddenly change from being heralded voices of authority to being ridiculed, shunned and denounced as they deserve. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these governments, universities, media outlets and other entangled organizations which have long been hard at work weaving this multi-generational ball-Earth myth, suddenly and completely lose all credibility. Once the truth of our flat Earth gets out, so does the truth of these few elite families/societies who have kept this most important and fundamental reality from us for these hundreds of years! Essentially, once the flat Earth truth gets out, so does every other important truth by proxy, because this "mother-of-all-conspiracies" holds under its umbrella literally ALL of the other conspiracies, and exposes them.

>>15489860
lol for some reason the other video is just a repost of the one 3 years ago, but it was reposted 3h ago on the same channel
I think the video is identical, just different thumbnail + name

Angara

I unironically think the UFO whistleblower might be legit

>>15489800
weird pic and do edition

https://www.space.com/spaceflight-enlarge-cavities-astronaut-brains

> The most enduring spaceflight-related changes in the brain yet detected are the way cavities in the brain known as ventricles can enlarge by up to 25%. Ventricles are filled with cerebrospinal fluid, which helps protect, nourish and remove waste from the brain. The absence of a gravitational pull leads the brain to shift upward in the skull and causes the ventricles to expand.

> It remains uncertain what the long-term consequences of this ventricle expansion might be. "How this impacts performance and long-term health is an open question," study senior author Rachael Seidler, a space health researcher at the University of Florida in Gainesville, told Space.com.

> Given the rise in space tourism in recent years, these findings may prove welcome, as shorter space trips appear to cause little physical change to the brain. In addition, the rate of ventricle enlargement tapered off after six months in space, which may also be good news — these changes don't continue to increase over time, Seidler said. "This is important to know for future longer duration missions, such as to Mars," she noted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventricular_system
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Human_ventricular_system_-_animation.gif

>>15489886
on what grounds? literally one schizo with no physical evidence

we're going to use UDP on mars
humanity is doomed

https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/what-is-spaceflight-associated-neuro-ocular-syndrome

University of Western Australia have developed a non-invase method to measure pic related using a camera

https://www.uwa.edu.au/news/Article/2023/April/Improving-astronaut-vision-in-long-haul-space-flights

> West Australian researchers have developed a breakthrough method to measure the brain fluid pressure in humans, which may reduce vision damage experienced by astronauts on long-haul space flights.

> Until recently, this pressure could only be detected through invasive methods such as a lumbar puncture or skull burr hole, techniques which are painful, risky, and cannot be performed well in microgravity.

>>15489888
>> Given the rise in space tourism in recent years
LMAO

https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA?t=1136

>>15489894
>replying to frogposters
This is a Krystal thread. Slippy need not apply.

>>15489930
Slippy's dead.

>>15489800
gay OP, someone else stage next time.

>>15489800
Elon is like a God

>spaceflight
>Flight
>Different

Too bad nerds.

>>15489886
he's already been proven right

>>15490003
When and how?

>>15489897
UDP is the libertarian protocol

>>15490005
https://youtu.be/6Fs9C0rvUm0
>Recovered materials

>>15489994
>Elon is like a God
yes

>>15490012
That's not proof of anything. "I've been given blowjobs by 30 alien catgirls in one sitting" has just as much proof. Citing the credentials of the person making the claim alone is the appeal to authority fallacy.

my dreams are the ultimate authority cuck

>>15489886
dumb frogposter

>https://spacenews.com/nasa-concerned-starship-problems-will-delay-artemis-3/
100% a hit piece designed to shift the discussion away from
>https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/06/supplier-sues-boeing-over-alleged-theft-of-sls-rocket-tools/

>>15490019
I'm sorry but you need to take the L on this one Mick

>>15490030
If there isn't proof of acquired materials existing rather than a lot of hoopla from various people, there's little immediate reason to believe any of it is true. Based on the available evidence—or more precisely, the lack thereof—it's more likely that the guy's trying to raise the high profile specter of a coverup to sell books to conspiratards than anything else.

>>15490035
Nice grand conspiracy you got there

>>15490036
The burden of proof is on him. Conspiracy sales pitches are a well understood hustle.

how come no high resolution pictures of UFOs have ever been produced? This should tell you something

Just keep replying and replying.
I think you'll convince him after 100 well reasoned posts.

>>15490044
I'm actually open to being convinced but the simplest explanation that requires the fewest assumptions is that there's no concrete evidence to offer.

> being an epic fedora Mick West fanboy

>>15490067
I am a Mick West fanboy unironically

>>15490070
how ironic

Today i will remind them (again)

>>15490084
made in america, by american contractors

>>15490084

>>15490087
So american labor, but by german design?
Sounds familiar?

>>15490092
manufactured in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Home of the river rock

https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1666926213682585601

Spacex wins 6 sat launch contracts from Space Force to launch

>>15490096
This shouldnt be legal. the contracts must be competed

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/06/a-space-force-dozen-spacex-ula-awarded-contracts-to-launch-12-new-satellites/

ULA wins 6 sat launch contracts from Space Force to launch

>>15490099
Go buy another hideous figurehead of your whore, Jeff

>>15490103
I bet this ugly piece of shit is made out an old growth redwood from a protected forest

>>15490103
He will put a reference to her in one of the rockets won't he?

>>15490110
jealous

>>15490113
Jeffy pls

>>15490116
Imagine getting cucked by jeff bezos...rip that guy

>>15490096
https://breakingdefense.com/2023/06/a-space-force-dozen-spacex-ula-awarded-contracts-to-launch-12-new-satellites/

> ULA’s Vulcan Centaur rocket, however, is years behind schedule. The company announced today that it “successfully conducted a booster engine flight readiness firing,” that brings qualification testing “up to 98 percent complete.” Vulcan’s Centaur needs to make two orbital flights to qualify for the NSSL launches, with a first one expected before the end of the year.

>SSC did not seem concerned with the timeline. “ULA and SpaceX continue to provide outstanding launch services with their reliable and innovative launch systems, and we are confident in their ability to maintain the unprecedented 100 percent program success for the NSSL missions assigned for launch in FY25,” said Col. Chad Melone, SSC’s chief of the Launch Procurement and Integration Division, in a press release.

Specifically, the new launch assignments are as follows:

NRO’s NROL-64, launching onboard ULA’s Vulcan rocket from the Eastern range, at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida.
NROL-83, launching using ULA’s Vulcan rocket from the Western range, at Vandenberg SFB in California.
Four SDA Tranche 1 Transport Layer launches, using SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rockets from the Western range into polar orbit.
Three SDA Tranche 1 Tracking Layer launches, using ULA’s Vulcan and SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rockets from the Western range into polar orbit.
The GPS III-8 mission, assigned to launch onboard a ULA Vulcan rocket from the Eastern range into a medium Earth transfer orbit.
USSF-31, launching onboard a SpaceX Falcon rocket from the Eastern range.
USSF-114, using a ULA Vulcan rocket from the Western range.

Earth isn’t real
Mars is flat
Wake up sheeple

>>15490103
If I was rich and had a boat, I'd unironically put Krystal at the head of it.

if there was a 3rd company that could fly these would we see 1:1:1 split still? I fail to see why dod is still giving half to ula half to spacex

>>15490134
50-50 is actually an improvement over the original 60-40 split. Space Force is getting quietly fed up with all of ULA's delays.

>>15490134
because ula has a working rocket and spacex has a destroyed pad

>https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-dragon-capsule-breaks-u-s-spaceflight-records/
>CRS-28 marked the 38th time a Dragon spacecraft visited the orbiting outpost, beating the record held by the Space Shuttle

Another record broken

>>15490084
Absolutely soulless.

>>15490159
only like 400 more flights to exceed Soyuz

https://twitter.com/Starlink/status/1666911689344962576

>>15490181
another cool adventure job down the drain because it can be done remotely

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1666946172613713922

I’m convinced that space is not in fact hard and everyone just blows at it.

>>15489888
finally realized that your 23 hour sleep post was just too retarded?
cope harder

>>15490159
>muh tuna can flew a bazillion times
not impressive in the least

>>15490156
>Falcon
Cope harder faggot.

>>15490134
There probably wouldn't be a 1:1:1 split and there's not likely to be more than an industrial base supporting extension for a third supplier. The primary goal is to maintain dissimilar redundancy in case of unforeseen events, and they only actually need two launch providers for that. ULA's brief monopoly on domestic DoD launches was not appreciated, despite the face they put on for it.

>>15490186
lol. VO was simply a bad idea through and through.
it's as hard as not being an utter drooling retard.

>>15490205
airlaunchers are just bad
inshallah they will never be tried again

Aliens are here

https://abc7.com/las-vegas-aliens-ufo-alien-news/13359881/

>>15490208
works on my machine

>>15490215
>suborbital plaything

>>15490215
air launches help with altitude but not velocity, the latter of which is the main obstacle to reaching orbit. and yeah i know that that's obvious but sometimes the tism demands sacrifices

>>15490218
Eh, it gets to altitude long enough to do its job.

>>15490222
they also help by getting like 75% of the air out of your way and letting you launch from wherever is most convenient.

>>15490188
reported to the house of un-american activities. it's almost like you don't care about american jobs and national security

>>15490225
air is a borderline nonfactor
>letting you launch from wherever is most convenient
it's most convenient not to need an airplane.

>>15489832
>firefly now owns all of spaceflight
muskrats btfo, oldspace btfo

>>15490196
I know you are, but what am I?

>>15490237
my twinky little bf

>>15490214
ALL THE FAGGOTS SAID NO EVIDENCE. WELP WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THEN FAGGOTS

>>15490214
>2023
>still no actual camera shot

>>15490242
not even tucker carlson is stupid enough to deny it at this point

>>15490241
>the new evidence is someone saying that there's evidence while not providing any evidence but there also some other people confirming that there's evidence that they are also not going to provide

what a madman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIUCfL36elw

>>15490270
he cant release evidence or else he will go to federal prison retard

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1666962321414164480

>>15490189
what are you talking about?

>>15490275
convenient

>>15490275
sounds like a pussy then. i would absolutely risk federal prison if i were sitting on action ayy lmao evidence.
he could also do it anonymously, like every other leaker in the past 10 years. and if there actually were a massive conspiracy what he's saying now would be enough to get him suicided.

>>15490277
Just bought more Starlink stock. Thanks for the good news

>>15490275
So his only evidence is him saying "trust me, bro, the military has dozens of UFOs in Area 51." That's it?

>>15490284
Buy his book and maybe you'll find out

https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/
deny this

>>15490281
>do it anonymously, like every other leaker in the past 10 years
every single one of them now fugitives because they went full retard revealing their identity immediately after leaking the info.

>>15490214
Radio silence from Mick West

>>15490286
Normally for grift this hard you expect him to be shilling an air dropped small sat launcher to some venture capital types.

>>15490293
>"intelligence officials say..."
Glowies say a lot of things, especially when there's a lot of talk about their corrupting bubbling up.

>>15490300
Glowies always lie. Always.

i still have yet to hear a coherent explanation as to why the government would want to cover up actual alien contact for any reasonably lengthy amount of time
at best you can justify them wanting a a little while to prepare for the public response, but they gain nothing from concealing it (and if the aliens are remotely hostile it's in the government's interest to begin preparing people ASAP)

at least the schizos who think the government would fake a ufo landing actually produce a reasonable motive

>>15490304
>coherent explanation as to why the government would want to cover up actual alien contact for any reasonably lengthy amount of time
ongoing manhattan project to reverse engineer their technlogy

>>15490307
What is the benefit from hiding that from the general public? It's not like WW2 where they have wartime censorship and can funnel insane amounts of resources into something without tipping anyone off about its actual nature (and, even then, the Soviets were tipped off, just as the Chinese would likely be).
Looping people in about a potential alien threat would massively strengthen the government's position, and they could still lock the actual tech behind top level security clearances.

NON
HUMAN
ORIGIN

>>15490322
Yes, a majority of government officials aren't measurably human. We've know this for a while now. You're like someone busting into this thread in this, the fourth year of 2020, shocked and yelling after having discovered that SpaceX is landing rockets. This isn't breaking news.

>>15490322
>NEW ORIGIN

>>15490322
>the government actually has flying machines of non-human origin
>they're not spaceships built by aliens
>they're wright flyers built by apes

>>15490322
Its not a coincidence

>>15490322
so like birds?

Aliens are among us

>>15490348
https://youtu.be/UAkHQMelB1Y

this interview is so fucking goofy

how long till there is General Spaceflight like General Aviation
>"spacecraft with tail number S2333, I have a number for you to copy down..."

>>15490352
which one?

>>15490393
we may not have general spaceflight, but we do have Spaceflight General :)

does popcorn work in space?

https://twitter.com/SpaceAbhi/status/1666822313495642117

SpaceX/RocketLab are the only launchers in US thats active

>>15490406

>>15490406
>SpaceX/RocketLab are the only launchers in US thats active
SpaceX =/= US
RocketLab = New Zealand

>>15490415
If you discount RL as NewZealand, then SpaceX = US. Whats good for SpaceX is good for US.

https://twitter.com/Robotbeat/status/1666823589545545732

Death ray in the Mars's colonization process?

>>15490406
I like rocketlab. they represent what I would hope of newspace is spacex didn't set the bar so fucking high

>>15490415
>SpaceX =/= US
...no? In what way?

>>15490415
cope

>>15489852
>There will always be a need for a certain family of vehicles to pick from. I don’t think Starship will be the panacea or silver bullet for all launch needs, and I think that Falcon 9 will be very hard to stop for SpaceX because the customer base will really want it,” Smith said.
Smith is retarded
Why would you pick a falcon 9 when you could rideshare on a starship for a tenth of the price

>>15490435
i can see an argument when starship is in its early stages, but yeah that's just stupid.

>>15490435
>>15490439
"The rocket should be right sized for the payload" is an overly persistent and half baked idea.

>>15490110
no, it's obviously had a lot of work done, but it's still mostly meat and silicone

good or bad for starship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polly_Trottenberg

>>15490445
it is true because larger rockets are more expensive than smaller rockets. until starship can prove itself cheaper than falcon 9 and clones (flat rate, not per pound) f9 clones will have a niche. theres a reason electron payloads don't go up on falcon 9 rideshares

>>15490452
are you retarded?
she's a Bidenite

>>15490452
>trottenberg
>berg
Her husband is the president of this, which actually seems decent?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_Foundation
>It was founded as a nonprofit public policy research institution[4] on the belief that the prosperity and security of the United States depends on a mix of effective government, open democracy, and free markets

>>15490455
The half baked part is "it's a smaller rocket therefor it will always be cheaper." Until Starship manages to attain a lower per-launch operating cost than Falcon 9, it will not have met its design goals.

>>15490455
>theres a reason electron payloads don't go up on falcon 9 rideshares
They do?
Spacex has stolen plenty of electron payloads

>>15490462
>seems decent
>non-profit
>$7 million in revenue
don't fall for their tricks

>>15490465
7 million is nothing

>>15490455
it's only incidentally true. if it's cheaper and faster to launch on a large rocket then there's no reason not to do so. Starship will have a very low marginal cost since it's fully reusable, and SpaceX can just ignore the costs of developing/building it to completely corner the market. SpaceX has a vested interest in launching Starship as often as possible. If they can get it down to roughly the same launch cost as Falcon 9 (big if, but not impossible) then they can just do the same launch for a 20 ton payload at a cheaper price than F9 and make up any difference by throwing on rideshares.
>until starship can prove itself cheaper than falcon 9 and clones
Well OBVIOUSLY. The stupid idea is that satellite companies will want a smaller rocket even if Starship is as cheap and as reliable as smaller platforms.

starship is cool

>>15490462
>effective government
I'd take this phrase about as seriously as "common sense gun regulation."

>open democracy
Look very closely into what this actually means to them, because there's a good chance it just means changing election laws to make them more easily rigged.

>and free markets
I don't think I've ever seen a "nonprofit public policy research institution" actually advocate for free markets or free market capitalism. It's always something about how a truly "free" market is one that is much more closely regulated (see: "effective government") in a way that directly benefits their corporatist backers.

>>15490466
That's okay, it was actually $11 million in 2022.
https://production-tcf.imgix.net/app/uploads/2022/12/15140936/FINAL_TCFAnnual-Report-2022.pdf
And my point anyway was that it's just a (Democrat affiliated) scheme for bribing politicians. How stupid would you have to be to think that it seems decent?

>>15490417
https://twitter.com/Robotbeat/status/1666983029670019072

Trillion dollar is enough to harness the power of the entire earth.

>>15490452
Her boss is anti-Tesla and anti-Elon. NHTSA regulator was a Tesla shortseller/competitor appointed by Biden with a history of threatening violence against Musk. FCC boss is a Biden admin appointee that removed the Starlink subsidy without vote from comissioners as soon as she took over the role. Bill Nelson hardly spoke about SpaceX/Starship for an entire year. Kathy Leuders was demoted from her job and removed from the program entirely after Bill Nelson took over. She was then let go.

There is absolutely nothing good about Biden admin for SpaceX

>>15490489
Also Biden's chief billionaire fundraiser is Jim Chanos, a long time Tesla short seller

>>15490462
100% chance that the wikipedia article was written by someone working at that think tank. Also look at their website:
>https://tcf.org/
Here's there economic plan for 2023:
>https://tcf.org/content/report/a-2023-plan-for-economic-equity-and-progress/
It basically outlines all the ways the government should be spending more money. They aren't even tax and spend democrats; the only mention of taxes is in talking about a Child Tax Credit. And of course debt isn't mentioned once.

>>15490469
it's inherently true. any savings that could be applied to starship could be applied to smaller rockets. maybe not to the same extent, square cube law and all, but in aggregate. and smaller rockets have benefits like being able to be transported cross country on the back of any normal truck, taking less tooling to build, and having less to inspect and recertify before reflight.

>>15490497
Starships' savings comes from large mass capacity, rapid reusability through extra fuel mass, through economics of scale, etc.

Smaller rockets dont have the luxury.

>>15490498
>large mass capacity
can't argue that
>rapid reusability
I would bet money it's easier to design and build a smaller rapidly reusable rocket
>economics of scale
if spacex was building electron sized rockets they would have 500 of them by now, not 33

>>15490500
If Tesla were building a car factory, they'd build 1000 garage sized factories rather than gigafactories

>>15490502
It'd be cheaper to ride in a tesla if they build busses instead of cars

>>15490508
But which one is more efficient/makes more money/cheaper? A Tesla car made in a gigafactory rather than made in thousands of individual garages

>>15490497
>any savings that could be applied to starship could be applied to smaller rockets
maybe but it could be 15 years before a smaller rocket catches up to Starship in terms of reusability, and will never match its $/kg because square cube law. it's a weird situation because SpaceX is so far ahead of the competition.

>being able to be transported cross country on the back of any normal truck,
Irrelevant (except for weird inclinations) since building them on-site is most efficient anyways
>taking less tooling to build
Fixed cost which is irrelevant in the long-run since SpaceX has an insane amount of capital.
>having less to inspect and recertify before reflight.
Well yeah, but that scales proportionally with payload capacity so it's not really a win. I guess it would allow for a faster cadence, but in terms of how much mass can be launched every year the larger rocket will always have an edge.

No one's saying that smaller rockets will never have any niche; I'm saying that the current small rockets (including most of those still under development) will be obsolete for 99% of purposes in a Starship world.

>>15490513
I'm not saying it would be better to have smaller factories. I'm saying that a smallsat launcher sized starship churned out of a starbase sized factory is going to cost less to launch than a starship sized starship churned out of a starbase sized factory. yes, between the two starship should cost less per pound. but you can build and launch ten small rockets in the time of one large one.

>>15490462
if that sounds good to you, you must be some sort of neocon

does an asteroid being colonized count as a space station? what if its a small asteroid that gets hollowed out and coverted into a habitat? what about things like a ring around the asteroid like this pic.

i'm trying to organize my folders

>>15490518
Less to launch is meaningless. Less to launch per usable payload is the real metric They've made cheaper rockets like Falcon 1, but its not sustainable or useful for anything. To get the real cost down, you need a single ship that can do all the tasks, have the mass for launching, have enough fuel for precision capabilities, have enough fuel for landing, have enough fuel for safety margins, etc. Thats why Starship makes more sense to SpaceX than a smaller variant. Its not just that its "big mass" its the optimal size for them to commercialize and take advantage of given many conditions necessary to make it successful.

>>15490525
Space colony, anything below city size is a space station

>>15490522
it does sound good. the problem is that it's a load of bullshit and their idea of an "open market" involves ending work requirements for medicaid (because not wanting to give benefits to people who refuse to work is racist) while the country hits a 130% debt to GDP ratio.

>>15490322
>No one would have believed in the first years of the twenty first century that this world was being watched keenly and closely by intelligence fluffier than man's and yet as horny as his own
>That as the men busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinized and studied, perhaps as narrowly as a man with a desktop might scrutinize the two dimensional creatures that swarm an multiply in a furry porn site. With infinite complacency men went to and fro over this globe about their little affairs, serene in their assurance of their company of human women
>No one gave a thought to the older worlds of space as sources of human sexiness, or thought of them only to dismiss the idea of fuzzies upon them as impossible or improbable.
>Yet across the gulf of space, Females that are to our women as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, ladies sexy and horny, regarded the Earth's men with envious eyes, and slowly but surely drew their plans against us...

>>15490452
Literally who? How is this woman relevant to anything?

>>15490546
She's Biden's appointed head of the Federal Aviation Administration.

>>15490546
A possible threat to Starship/SpaceX. given Biden's record on various admins attacking Musk/SpaceX/Tesla/Twitter outright or through obfuscation. Every single major heads of relevant regulatory body where Musk is involved in has been fighting against Musk's companies.

new chinese launch

>The payload is a certain "Longjiang 3" from domestically acclaimed Harbin Institute of Technology (HIT) - claimed as the 1st Chinese "plate-like" LEO comsat.
https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1667025220723699714

>>15490613
it's a chinese starlink clone

>Apparently the satellite bus is this SATware-CS200: https://hitsat.com/busin

Mass: 120 kg (40 kg payload)
Size: < 2.3 x 1.1 x 0.35 m stowed
Power: 175W (1200W peak)
Lifetime: 5 yrs
Ka-band width: 600Mbps down, 500Mbps up
Uses electric propulsion w/ 40000Ns impulse
https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1667032068138893312

>>15490452
>history major and "master of public policy" degree
>exists purely to be a warm body to put into some random office and act as a puppet for someone else
My contempt for people like this is monumental. They should be chained to the legs of the OLM for each starship launch as sacrifices until there are none left.
Not to mention
>berg

>>15490452
>BA in history, master in public policy (cringe)
>career bureaucrat
bad

>>15489800
https://www.youtube.com/live/95i9m5B2NFY?feature=share
APEC (Alternative Propulsion Engineering Conference) Livestream Saturday, some cool concepts to be presented
21:00 CEST 10.06

If Biden admin is as hostile to Musk/spaceX as anons say, why haven't they been more succesful in fucking him over? You'd think it would be easy, just introduce a law that fucks Tesla or spacex specifically. All they seem to be doing is giving awards and handing out cash to all electric car manufacturers (and their unions) that aren't tesla, which they were doing before anyway.

>>15490775
to add:
they're doing the same thing except even more ineffectually with SLS. They don't seem to be trying to destroy Musk, just prop up his 'competitors'.

>>15490775
NASA demoted/removed few key officials related to SpaceX procurement of Starship. There are lot of structural changes within the admin that we aren't privy to, but if you want internal NASA politics, read up Lori Garver's book. Its dirty as hell, because NASA is made up of humans and humans are dirty by nature.

>>15490710
>See post
>"How alternate are we talking?"
>Warp Drive
>VEM Drive
>Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
Ah. That much.

>>15490341
Even better DMT

larping about ayys is not spaceflight related.

Post UAPs

Tic-Tac flying object

>>15490469
>The stupid idea is that satellite companies will want a smaller rocket even if Starship is as cheap and as reliable as smaller platforms.
the argument I've seen before is that small rockets that are exclusive to the payload can launch directly into the desired orbit compared to a big rideshare that can't, but not really sure if the latter is actually the case if they can just choose similar orbits taken on one rideshare and/or in the future use space tugs (or simply make the satellite propellant tanks bigger)

Hexagonal ship hiding under Saturn

>>15490782
we need the reflexive pop sci poster back.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1667064010414657536

>>15489800
>Previous thread got 420 replies.
Elon would approve.

https://twitter.com/Alexphysics13/status/1667035151614849025

>>15490816

>>15490824
fuck wrong one >>15490821

>>15490824
puny spacesuits delay massive rocket

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1666929482895351809

cows in the pic lol

https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1667046463879143424

https://twitter.com/launcher/status/1666921866382983170

>>15490829
that's kinda pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYURUiOjZSw

schizo kino

>>15489871
As told in the Talmud

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlxtmQLxEiI
didnt realize china had so many rocket companies working on reusable rockets. it feels like it might be years before any of them have a reusable rocket though.

>>15490838
he'll never listen to anything you say, even though everyone here understands that he is a minor nuisance, he believes he's converting people and triggering npcs. The posts he makes are schizophrenic ego stroking, he's not interested in replies, he's not interested in reading anyone else's posts: all he needs to see is the word 'space' and he's suddenly indulging in his fantasy: this is purely for his own sake and he enjoys doing it. You will never convince him of anything because he is not comprehending your posts as anything but what he wants them to be, if he notices them at all.

>>15490812
alien mothership (opens on a hinge)

>>15490829
>NOOO WE GOTTA KEEP IT PRISTINE
It's a resource to be used up anyway, and if you don't' like what's on the surface, scrape it off or dig somewhere else. Preservation-ism is a dumb attitude.

The moon landing and them driving around in a buggy is such bullshit.

Musk can barely launch something into orbit, the chinks can't land a rover to save their lives, yet 'murica was playing golf on the moon in the 60's?

BULLSHIT

>>15490852
faggot, tell me how you fake moon dust like this with the tech they had.

Is majoring in aerospace engineering a bad idea?

>>15490854
Not if you enjoy it.
You'll end up as a software dev anyway.

>>15490851
Promethean flame shall devour the stars

>>15490497
> any savings that could be applied to starship could be applied to smaller rockets
no, they fundamentally can not
the inherent problem is that it is very difficult to fully reuse a rocket after some critical level
might not need to be as big as Starship, but it very well might have to be bigger than falcon 9 (or any of the similarly sized falcon 9 clones)
you need a big booster so your second stage is big enough to have useful payload + enough margin to slow down from orbital speeds and come back
adding all the necessary hardware for second stage reuse for falcon 9 upper stages would make the payload non-existent
smallsat launchers are completely expendable, so they have to build the whole thing everytime and get miniscule payload + fixed costs
medium launchers like F9 have enough margin to land the first stage, but not the second stage so they have to build a new second stage everytime + fuel (+ higher fixed costs from recovery etc)
heavy launchers like starship will be able to reuse both the booster and second stage, so the only costs are fuel + fixed costs of the launch site

>>15490518
smallsat sized starship would be impossible due to the rocket equation
on a body with less gravity, the minimal rocket size for full reusability would be lower, so perhaps mars will have fully reusable much smaller rockets that are competitive with starship

>>15490613
LEO is about to get very busy

>>15490853
They filmed inside a yuuuge vacuum chamber. Kubrick insisted on it.

>>15490775
because it has to be done with plausible deniability that they aren't just targeting musk or spacex so they can't go too hard or be too direct
republicans exist, US isn't a dictatorship

>>15490851
I don't think its so much about preservation as a goal in itself, but if your point is to have a science mission that measures the water and CO2 content in a cold trap, you don't want to contaminate it so your measurements aren't fucked
even if you are prospecting, you might want to avoid

>>15490852
SpaceX has been launching tons of payloads to orbit (and a few even BLEO) for years now, and the Chicoms have successfully landed and operated three extraterrestrial rovers (2 lunar, one Mars) so far.

>>15490775
>You'd think it would be easy, just introduce a law that fucks Tesla or spacex specifically.
They have certainly tried that.
The big tax credit for electric cars was originally supposed to only be for companies that used employees from a specific Union, (UAW) which is the Union that Biden is very buddy buddy with of course.
(Tesla doesn’t have any UAW employees so it wouldn’t have gotten the credit)
It was only because republicans in legislature insisted on ‘made in America’ that the Union part was eventually cut.
Because the UAW has members in Mexico and Canada and such so the bill could have technically been giving money to companies that exclusively hire non American auto workers.

Also when they originally implemented the tax credit the model Y, the most popular model, was originally disqualified based on a made up technicality, but that has since been revoked.

Is studying EE or Physics better if I want to work in Spaceflight

Study economics or business.

Also ME is much more relevant to spaceflight, you'll still end up building bridges.

>>15490847
Coronahoax was the final nail in the coffin for science NPCs. You are never coming back from that.

https://youtu.be/bqSkbHKSnjI?t=208

https://twitter.com/Alexphysics13/status/1667034175763894275
I love how you can only criticize HLS when elon fanboys (burgers) are asleep

>>15490975
hecking based he/him pride flag SLS enjoyer

>>15490824
>Boeing Crew
>operational
>still hasn't launched crew
>>15490829
Then just go to the next crater over, it's not that hard in crater sampling.
>15490836
fuck off tendert0e

>>15490975
>>15490979
Isn't what he's saying the opposite? How would this tweet make the HLS crowd mad when he's literally saying that "even if HLS hadn't been picked the same problem would exist." Functionally confirming that it doesn't matter who was chosen as far as realistic timelines go.

>>15490852
They were able to do it while they had Hitler's engineers. For comparison SLS is a fully American vehicle.

https://twitter.com/Zamuel42/status/1666541460311900161
yes or no

>>15491048
Spaceflight?

>>15491048
my perfect little marvel boy. my little apple super hero tech fan.
tony stark and spider man care so much about you

>>15490979
Thrust: SLS: 8.8 million lbf (higher than Saturn V)
Weight: 5,750,000 lbs.
Payload to LEO: Block 1: 95 metric tons; Block 1B: 105 metric tons; Block 2: 130 metric tons
Payload to TLI (IMPORTANT): 27 metric tons; 42 metric tons; 48 metric tons

>expensive
High performance rocket comes with a high price tag, *shocked pikachu face*

>starship
No one at NASA believes that thing will fly, let's be honest

>>15491103
very nice, now tell me about the sample return

>>15491048
>wh40k

>>15491103
Is it possible to do launch an Apollo style CSM+LM combination on a block 1B? Block 2? Assume flags and footprints mission and ignore Gateway.

>>15490497
Really looking forward to your $0.50/kg to orbit hummingbird rocket

>>15490845
It's no surprise. China has many graphic artists and photoshop experts.

>>15491048
Uhh no? 40k does not sell itself as a desirable place to be in. And if we just want aliens we can send plants/animals to the other bodies we can get to and selectively breed them from there.

>>15491024
Read between the lines. He's made similar comments regarding "Elon fans" on nsf livestream.

>>15491142
disgusting creature

https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA?t=1136
https://youtu.be/52dVfhgt_T4?t=694

>>15490975
Criticizing the HLS program as a whole isn't an unpopular opinion these days

>>15491160
AI generated videos

>>15491103
>Block 1B
fanfiction

>>15490975
>>15491162
Artemis (and HLS by extension) are both grift programs

>>15491162
>>15491167
how? HLS (first selection) was a steal for NASA, they basically had no money and spacex accepted it anyway. Free and NASA as a whole are just doing what NASA has been doing for a while: desperately try to cling on to something which they claim only NASA can do safely and quickly. They know about people in government and outside it questioning whether SLS is really necessary at the price it is, and they're lashing out by making the claim that starship won't be ready for a long time.

>>15491170
Both HLS from SpaceX and Blorgin is a godsend for NASA, but I somewhat doubt they are being nearly as appreciative about it as they should
After all, who cares if they save 50Billion dollars, when it's just tax paper money they are using

https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/1666616416307646465
>Nothing sweeter in rocketry than the word nominal. Congrats to you, Tory, and the whole team!
late, but still funny, though he didn't welcome him to the club

>>15491163
The absolute state of science NPCs. Complete reality denial.

This gun be real gud.

>>15491174
The OIG cares...

>>15491103
if he was honest he would compare SLS and Saturn V in terms of performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS4z42KaeGk
solar array deployment speeswalk

>>15491183
The UR experience???

I HATE HOW SHIT THE CAMERAS ARE ON THE ISS

>>15491249
Lots of footage like this are just shitty analog scans / super compressed digital files. Actual HD footage exists but it’s really hard to find. I think there’s a way to submit a FOIA request for specific rescans either directly through NASA or through the national film archives or something but I haven’t figured it out yet

>>15491260
Imagine the kino of this in HD

>>15491268
Trust me I’ve probably logged like 80+ hours just looking through government archive websites for shuttle photography and video. I’ve found so many cool shots that are like 240p resolution hahah. And a lot of these photos are film so I KNOW there are higher quality originals somewhere

>>15491274
>government does initial shitty scan for 2003 digitizing effort with 2003 tech
>no one can bother to re-scan them now because they're already scanned duh
many such cases

>>15491274

>>15491048

No. Grimdark 40K is literally the worst timeline. Humanity is completely fucked in that universe, because the Tyranid Hive Fleets are all all converging on the galaxy from nearly every galactic vector. It's all but guaranteed that the war being fought is a losing one and within the next 10 millennia, humanity will be extinct.

Fuck that. I want a Forerunner Saga (aka Humans are the OG progenitor race) from Halo that rose to Tier 1 state in being able to astroengineer at an absurd scale. Who can build massive stations, ring worlds, and even Matroshka brains. The latter of which has enough densified compute to simulate whole universes with their own rules or create pocket universes inside of Slipspace bubbles that over time can spur new life that you can go explore and interact with.

That's the best timeline.

>>15491279
Yes exactly! I have to give props to NASA for providing as much photography as they could in the early 2000s—but so much of that has yet to be rescanned

>start reading When the Heavens Went on Sale
>Planet stock shits the bed
The Planet section of this book is just odd. Little about the tech, mostly a fever dreamy origin story sequence. It's fine though.

https://qz.com/emails/space-business/1850514330/space-business-cold-storage
>But one of Blue Origin’s partners on the lander program is Lockheed Martin, which is tasked with developing and operating a spacecraft that will carry cryogenic propellants from the Earth to the Moon to refuel Blue Origin’s lander.
>The Cislunar Propellant Transporter will be a huge vehicle, some 34 meters long and launched in two parts by Blue Origin’s as-yet-to-fly New Glenn rocket. The idea is that once Blue’s lander reaches orbit around the Moon, it will remain there to shuttle astronauts down to the surface and back again. Afterward, it can be refueled and perform its next mission.

>we're getting a dragon 2 Eva

neat

we said it was medicine before spaceflight ...

>>15490500
the Relativity Terran R team is also making that bet

Do we know anything new about Firefly’s médium launcher?

>>15491249
Just wait for SpaceX to launch Starship to orbit, you'll get 4K60 out of the vehicle down to Earth; inside and out.

>>15491306
Lunar Clipper

>>15491325
Looking at the Firefly website, it says 16 tons to LEO compared to 14 a couple months ago. It's still a dead end rocket but bigger is better.

an alien crash landed in a guy's backyard and sfg is sleeping

https://twitter.com/stoke_space/status/1667199973329604612
>Hopper SN1 gave us lots of learning, from prop conditioning to operational procedures and terminal count. We uncovered some issues though, so we’re going to move on to SN2 and hop at end of summer. #iterate #testfast #failfast #fixfast #fly
space is hard

>>15491377
#yikes #oof

>>15490952
There are a lot of career paths that can get you into spaceflight, but you need to be aware of their timescales.

An Aerospace Engineer may be recruited out of school and do a number of specialties, like CAD. Aerospace engineers may also do simulation work or thermodynamics but don't expect that right out of school. They tend to hire industry veterans so it will be difficult to get in.

Controls and GNC are highly competitive and again most are looking for industry experts.

EE's can get in out of school doing wiring harnesses, or entry level electrical design.

Physicists can get jobs, but your path is more likely going into NASA, competing for a very small number of jobs. PHD is probably necessary.

You can get in with some more general deciplines that don't have to work in Aerospace, but that Aerospace needs. This includes Materials engineering, manufacturing and processing engineering. Systems and plant management.

It might be a good idea to look at the job postings companies are putting out and the level of experience they are looking for and then look up the number of graduates for that discipline to see how competitive a given job might be.

>>15491384
>There are a lot of career paths that can get you into spaceflight,
There is only one and you ain't in it losers. You will never be an astronaut, you will never jet through the galaxy with your robowaifu, not because you aren't part of the club, but because the whole thing they sold you is a fraud.

>>15491345
>It's still a dead end rocket
Thinking about this more, things could get interesting if they push through with this and get it flying close to schedule (2025). Pretty sure they want similar cost per kg to Falcon 9, even fully expended, so it could put pressure on Neutron. Especially being a kerolox rocket, it can only evolve to become a Falcon 9 clone (maybe slightly bigger as it has bigger tank diameter), so it's still a dead end by 2030 or so.
Would also be cool to see this rocket and Neutron side by side at Wallops.

>>15491377

>>15491377
>Hopper SN1

Launcher, which was bought by VAST, is set to launch their orbital tug soon. If this works, they could have a stable customer base for non-LEO satellites that want to launch for cheap.

>>15491422
Max Haot, current president at VAST and former CEO/founder at Launcher, tweet for reference
https://twitter.com/maxhaot/status/1666922573870039041

>>15491216
IROSA fully deployed

>>15491423
lot of cool stuff going up on transporter 8. I'm looking forward to it.

"Popesat" from Vatican is coming. Its the Vatican's first satellite in orbit.

>>15489800
new enoughmuskspam!
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/1454f6t/oh_nasa_theyre_concerned_the_2025_moon_landing/

>>15491477
Mods should just ban whoever posts or references r*ddit. Fags like you dont deserve to post if its just bait.

>>15491483
reddit is fine. some parts of reddit aren't. I have two 4cahn tabs open now and two reddit tabs, what are you gonna do huh?

>>15491483
You replied, and now they will continue to do it again. Stop.

>nasa awards spacex human lander contract 4 years before they want it functional knowing full well what it entails to get it built
>spacex experiences no delays with starship other than FAA debacle
>nasa preemptively blames spacex for delaying artemis program
it's all so tiring

The solution is clear
In order for space programs to not be delayed, we need politicians to declare a set date to do something and then for the political to be assassinated

>>15491495
>>spacex experiences no delays with starship other than FAA debacle
Next level cope

How many two more weeks until Starships next launch?

>>15491503
8 :(

>>15491495
You forgot one
>bitching at SpaceX for maybe not being able to meet a deadline that will slip anyhow because SLS
Doesn't it need fucking Gategay to be in NHRO first?

>>15491508
haha no. actually as soon as gateway is in orbit they stop using starship hls for landings

>>15491503
>>15491505

NACS on mars baby

NASA blames SpaceX but we are literally already seeing prototype HLS parts in the ring yard 2 years before they even need to do the mission. They complete a Starship every two months and a Raptor every day.

>>15491513

>>15491526
they've cut back on raptors - they had a surplus with nothing to do with lol

>>15491526
>They complete a Starship every two months
Why do they need more bombs?

>>15491530
They should honestly just start doing long term use tests with the things. Keep using a large amount of them to see limits and what breaks. It would be good to get an idea of how long they can last and where to improve things, especially with the new R3s

have we seen any lunar thruster landing test firings?

>2 years delay by FAA environmental assessment to build the towers
>another multi year delay by FAA EIS
>SPACEX BAD

>>15491539
Biden admin is truly something. Delays SpaceX build of tower, then blames SpaceX for delays.

SpaceX simps have short term memory

>>15491544
remember when the nose cone of hopper fell off

>>15491541
Biden admin specifically ordered them not to build a flame trench too. They also had the CIA blow up B7's engines.

Damn it biden, this is all your fault.

>>15491548
The FAA said it would take more time to review those additional changes. So SpaceX removed them all together.

I can't believe the FAA would do this.

Thunderchuds lmao

WHY WOULD THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT DO THIS????

thanks Obama

Damn biden... at it again....

Still in SHOCK the faa FORCED spaceX to blow up multiple test vehicles... Will the biden regime ever stop stifling progress?

>>15491552
Here. People have no memory of why water deluge was removed originally because of memory holed or dont follow the program closely. So they make up half baked narratives.

The reason for canceling water deluge is because of FAA assessment required more work and would delay the program further. SpaceX had to make a lot of concessions and simplify a lot of things to even get the towers to be approved.

>>15491566
>>15491564
>>15491559
>>15491554
>>15491551
>>15491546
wow, failures that happened before starship was selected for HLS delayed the artemis program? they knew the state that starship was in as of april 2021. you can't argue those were delays.

>>15491572
That just says they will use water trucks instead of a desalination plant. They could have still built a functioning deluge system.

>>15491576
My only point is people saying the only delays SpaceX had were FAA and EIS are on nuclear grade copium.

>mass feeding (You)s to an obvious bait
Samefag

>>15491577
No they couldn't then that would add more programmatic work and delay by months/years.

The whole reason to remove all the complexity was because FAA was threatening to delay the program by years possibly. So SpaceX complied and removed all the unnecessary parts and went with the simplest option that didnt require FAA to do EIS.

>>15491582
Also

https://spaceflightnow.com/2022/06/13/faa-moves-spacex-a-step-closer-to-receiving-starship-launch-license/
https://spaceref.com/status-report/final-programmatic-environmental-assessment-and-mitigated-finding-of-no-significant-impactrecord-of-decision-for-the-spacex-starshipsuper-heavy-laun/

People just dont want to connect the dots on why SpaceX was forced into giving up deluge.

>>15491582
>Filling up a tank with truck loads of water is going to take months or years
They already do this with methane a volatile substance, how can water cause that much more of a delay? They don't even need the coolant layers, they literally just need a water tower. They could have just make one with starship rings for crying out loud.

>>15491585
>>15491582
Never seen it this bad in /sfg/, even after the OFT.

>>15491588
Who knows what reasons FAA can come up with. There can be an infinite number of reasons if SpaceX thought FAA would deny or delay the program. Maybe it would be bad for the environment because water contanimation of local wild life or threats to soil or they would need spacex to build proper water treatment plants or some other reasons

>>15491596
In any case, because the subject would be unknown, they would delay the program to study the nature of the additional grounds work being proposed by spacex.

>>15491596
>>15491598
They didn't need the additional ground work to make a deluge system, just like they didn't need the gas plant to supply methane. It was just cheaper that way. They were 100% allowed to use water trucks and just chose not, or not enough to protect the launch pad. It's clear as day, you are just delusional.

>>15491598
>>15491596
The meat of the problem is that Biden admin FAA delayed the entire thing by years. Then NASA had the galls to blame SpaceX for it.

This just reminds me of how the congress handled commercial crew program. Delay funding to CRS by 2 years->blame SpaceX for being late

>>15491603
>They were 100% allowed to use water trucks
There was never any "allowance." The entire thing was being studied for years and it was obvious to SpaceX that it wouldn't be finished because lot of work needed to be done to verify the entire system. This isn't SpaceX doing it independently, they were obviously asking "what is the hold up" and SpaceX got the response. Water deluge. Power plant. Methane production. Well drilling. etc etc. So they removed it all.

How could congress do this :(

>>15491611
If this happened 2 years earlier because they were funded 2 years earlier, then they wouldn't have been late. The funding was cut for 2 years to fund SLS more. SpaceX paused/slowed developed for those years. Whats so hard to wrap your mind around?

>>15491613
>>15491611
https://spacenews.com/commercial-crew-bears-brunt-of-senates-nasa-cut/

>>15491617
https://apnews.com/article/d74aae785a95469597945296484e6cc1

>>15491621
Same exact game is being played by the Biden admin today. One Biden agency delays programs, another one blames SpaceX for it.

Nothing has changed.

>>15491613
>>15491617
>>15491621
Ok? Crew dragon still blew up, and the investigation into it still caused a delay. So saying the delays only happened because of congress just isn't true.

>>15491629
Delay happened because congress delayed the funding by years critically cutting funding during the initial ramp up.

If they hadn't lost 2-3 years of development, then there wouldn't be any delays. They would be ahead of the schedules regardless of crew dragon blowing up on test stands. They would likely be ahead by a year or so.

>>15491632
Demo-2 missed the 2016 launch date by 4 years, so they still would have been delayed by a year because of the explosion.

>>15491611
A reminder that Starliner has yet to take humans to orbit.

>>15491646
>Deflecting to starliner
Predicable.

I like to blame the FAA on everything because it's funny. Simple as.

If you get upset about it, that's a (you) problem.

>>15491639
The contract for demo happened in 2014. It wasn't fully funded for few years after. 2016 was never a real date because the contract wasn't even applicable.

>>15491477
thanks for the update

>>15491651
>>15491639
In fact, the crew funding always fell short its not 2-3 years of funding cut, its 5+ years of funding cut.

>>15491651
>Keeps moving the goalposts after you get proved wrong

>>15491548
Really?

This thread needs God (Musk)

>>15491659
There's no goal post. >>15491655 Its actual factual information. You just refuse to connect the dots on why things are delayed.

Funding cut for 5+ years = delays
FAA assessment for EIS delay by 2 years = delays

>>15491660
Yes really. In fact every single SpaceX """failure""" was all cause by either the FAA, biden personally, environmentalists, or congress. SpaceX has never done anything wrong ever, and are perfect in every single way. They have never done anything wrong ever, and nothing can ever prove they have.

>>15491649
Biden Derangement Syndrome. It would be hilarious if he was 1% the evil mastermind retards think he is

>>15491663
Do you accept that blowing up test hardware causes delays as well?

>>15491664
Holy shit we need to stop the groups you mentioned. If the fist of law cannot do it we need to take matters into our own hands, using firearms.

>>15491667
Internal project development estimates include blowing up. Blow up as fast as possible and moving as fast as possible.

External agency delays are unaccounted for and SpaceX has very little control over it. 2 years of FAA assessment for whether they should do EIS is something SpaceX cannot be blamed for. 2 years of delay extra added.

>>15489976
nice, anon

>>15491669
Not to mention the blame game started with NASA admin gaslighting

>>15491669
>Internal project development estimates include blowing up. Blow up as fast as possible and moving as fast as possible.
Except when you need to rebuild the entire launch pad. Or rebuild your flight hardware (in the case of crew dragon). There's no way you can say those were estimated failures, or pretend like that is an intelligent way to run a program.
>2 years of FAA assessment for whether they should do EIS is something SpaceX cannot be blamed for.
Ok? But we can blame them for obvious failures like OFT-1 and the pad abort explosion. You do accept that correct?

>>15491675
>Except when you need to rebuild the entire launch pad
~3-4 months of concrete and metal plates repair isn't the same as 2 years of FAA delay. Not to mention the possibility of another 2-4 years of delays for EIS.

TICK TOCK MUSKRATS

>>15491678
>~3-4 months of concrete and metal plates repair

Not to mention that the stage 0 was in no way ready during the FAA EIS time period. Even if SpaceX wanted to, they couldn't have moved forward with an OFT during this time.

>>15491679
july 28th? it's optimistic but I would be surprised if they weren't able to do it by late august

>>15491680
SpaceX has always claimed they were ready to launch whenever FAA gave approval. They aren't lying to you. They've been ready to launch whenever. Its just that FAA took so long and had informed that it would take years, that SpaceX decided to build out a more robust infrastructure instead.

>>15491684
Anon... OFT was on 4/20. They need to have the next flight in 11 days.

>>15491684
~2 months for pad upgrade and 1 month of testing on pad. So august-sept is likely if FAA gives green light. But thats a big IF from FAA. There's no trust in FAA and no trust in Biden officials.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1662263704262680577

>>15491686
>SpaceX could totally do an orbital launch without the tower
How were they going to fuel the second stage?

>>15491687
your article was published on may 28th. figure out when two months from then is

The first commercial manufacturing factory (varda) is launching in a few days

Who’s hype? This is literally the beginning of commercial space manufacturing, something that has been limited to sci fi and small scale tests on the ISS but never a true commercial capacity until now

>>15491690
Through whatever means necessary? They're not disabled individuals.

>>15489976
what's bottom right

>>15491694
Previously you said SpaceX couldn't build a deluge system because trucking in water was prohibitive. Now you say can get thousands of pounds of cryogenic propellant moved multiple stories high, without any infrastructure to support it.

which is it anon? You are contradicting yourself.

Good lord stop feeding (You)s to Thunderf00t you total fucking imbeciles. The only reason he's still here is because he's getting a reaction

>>15491703
>Previously you said SpaceX couldn't build a deluge system because
Because talking with FAA, they were alerted of what items might delay them.

There's no "without infrastructure" there's only you think SpaceX employees are bunch of handicapped people.

>>15491706
Admitting SpaceX makes mistakes sometimes means I'm thunderfag now?

>>15491708
So SpaceX can simultaneously be smart enough to move thousands of pounds of cryo prop thousands of feet in the air with no permanent structure, but also not smart enough to make a water tower?

>>15491706
The chuds have been here for years with us. Its part of the culture now. They think because they're mentally retarded handicapped everyone else must be just like them. Because they impose their own limited and narrow understanding upon the entire world and think thats how the world works.

>>15491711
>chuds

>>15491706
Gonna cry?

>>15491699
Gateway

>>15491730
Imagine if the the moon actually had cool jagged mountains like that instead of the endless rolling dusty mounds.

https://youtu.be/sK0K-NZyxKI

>>15491665
No one thinks Joe Biden even has a mind. "Biden" when used imprecisely to indicate the administration refers to the people making the decisions, not the rotting husk they use to deflect attention from themselves.

https://twitter.com/relativityspace/status/1667217601578299392
>Real Engineering at Relativity
Proonters confirmed fraud

>>15491377
https://twitter.com/stoke_space/status/1667231412083388416

>>15491483
its based
the EDS people coping about this or that is amusing

Why go to space when I can buy a Tim Apple ProVision?

>>15491777
>based
only discord trannies use that word now

>>15491812
whats wrong with discord?

>>15490836
>5 more years!

>>15490879
How does the vacuum explain the dust behavior? If anything, it would make the dust fall faster due to the lack of air resistance.

>>15491048
Depends on whether it also alters the laws of physics to allow for WH40K-elqe FTL travel. I would rather the only feasible way to travel faster that light be going through literal Hell than have there be no FTL and alien life at all.

>>15491829
It doesn't billow like it would in atmosphere. There are no air currents. It gets kicked up like fine powder, but then falls to the ground in a straight line, like wet sand.

>>15491829
>it would make the dust fall faster due to the lack of air resistance
?? that's exactly what happens in all the Apollo footage

>>15491852
Moon has less mass, so the dust (and everything else) accelerated towards the surface slower. This is very visible in the Apollo footage.

also a spacetug demo from launcher (acquired by vast) according to some dude previously in the thread and the em memedrive from mcullough
don't expect anything at all, but should at least put the matter to rest I hope if nothing else
and if it does work, that would be pretty cool, new physics, a reactionless drive

>>15491862
>ywn ride a buggy on the Moon

>>15491703
its not about couldn't, its about how much time it will take
waiting for even more environmental assessment was deemed unacceptable

>>15491862
it gets accelerated slower because low gravity but reaches a faster speed because no terminal velocity
there's no way you could fake that with their tech so schizos are eternally BTFO

>>15491768
https://twitter.com/stoke_space/status/1667199973329604612

>>15491812
I don't care what discord trannies use or don't use

>>15491770
https://twitter.com/AndyLapsa/status/1667242742093840389

>>15491840
I mean the reality outside the warp is also pretty close to hell for the human inhabitants
is FTL really that important?

>>15491894
>is FTL really that important?
YES

>>15491878
Yes. Every tiny particle is making a perfect parabola which can never happen in an atmosphere

>>15491872
supposed to reply to >>15491693

>>15491893
just post the image dude