/sci/ - Science & Math

https://spacenews.com/blue-origin-within-a-few-weeks-of-resuming-new-shepard-flights/

>>15487107
I do not believe you

https://www.space.com/rocket-lab-private-venus-mission-delayed-2025

> Rocket Lab announced its planned Venus mission in August 2020, then fleshed out its architecture in a paper published in the journal Aerospace two years later. The primary goal is to investigate the Venusian atmosphere to search for conditions needed for life to exist.

https://www.mdpi.com/2226-4310/9/8/445/htm

> Abstract
>Regular, low-cost Decadal-class science missions to planetary destinations will be enabled by high-ΔV small spacecraft, such as the high-energy Photon, and small launch vehicles, such as Electron, to support expanding opportunities for scientists and to increase the rate of science return. The Rocket Lab mission to Venus is a small direct entry probe planned for baseline launch in May 2023 with accommodation for a single ~1 kg instrument. A backup launch window is available in January 2025. The probe mission will spend about 5 min in the Venus cloud layers at 48–60 km altitude above the surface and collect in situ measurements. We have chosen a low-mass, low-cost autofluorescing nephelometer to search for organic molecules in the cloud particles and constrain the particle composition.

>>15487090
The neuralink chips will deliver FBI crime stats directly into your dreams

https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY

>>15487111
https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/01/rocket-labs-private-mission-to-venus-slips-to-2025/

> Rocket Lab announced it would go to Venus last August, in what will be the first fully private mission to the yellow planet. The company will fund the mission, while a team of researchers from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and other organizations contributed to the scientific payload. The company plans on using its small Electron rocket and Photon spacecraft to send a very tiny probe to around 30 miles above the surface of Venus, where atmospheric conditions are most similar to that of Earth.

>Indeed, everything about the mission is compact and ambitious. The probe, which will measure just 40 centimeters in diameter, will search for organic chemicals in Venus’s clouds — or in other words, signs of life and suggestions of habitable conditions for supporting life. After spending only five minutes flying through the clouds, the probe will slowly lose altitude until it hits the surface of Venus around an hour after atmospheric entry.

> What sets the high-energy Photon apart from the other variants that Rocket Lab sells — for example, as a satellite bus to startups like Varda Space — is that its capable of long-duration interplanetary cruising. The upcoming mission to Mars, and the mission to Venus in 2025, are likely only the tip of the iceberg for Rocket Lab’s ambitions.

>>15487111
> The high-energy Photon (Figure 1), developed by Rocket Lab for the NASA CAPSTONE mission that successfully launched to the moon in June 2022 and also being matured for the NASA Escape and Plasma Acceleration and Dynamics Explorers (ESCAPADE) mission launching to Mars in 2024, is a self-sufficient small spacecraft capable of long-duration interplanetary cruise [2].

> The high-energy Photon (Figure 2) is designed for launch on Electron (Figure 3), Rocket Lab’s dedicated small launch vehicle. Electron can lift up to 300 kg to a 500 km orbit from either of two active, state-of-the-art launch sites: LC-1 on the Mahia Peninsula in New Zealand and Launch Complex 2 on Wallops Island, Virginia. Electron is a two-stage launch vehicle with a Kick Stage, standing at 18 m tall with a diameter of 1.2 m and a lift-off mass of ~13,000 kg. Electron’s engine, the 25 kN Rutherford, is fueled by liquid oxygen and kerosene fed by electric pumps. Rutherford is based on an entirely new propulsion cycle that makes use of brushless direct current electric motors and high-performance lithium-polymer batteries to drive impeller pumps. Electron’s Stage 1 uses nine Rutherford engines while Stage 2 requires just a single Rutherford vacuum engine. Rutherford is the first oxygen/hydrocarbon engine to use additive manufacturing for all primary components, including the regeneratively cooled thrust chamber, injector pumps, and main propellant valves. All Rutherford engines on Electron are identical, except for a larger expansion ratio nozzle on Stage 2 optimized for performance in near-vacuum conditions. The high-energy Photon replaces the Kick Stage for Electron missions beyond low Earth orbit (LEO).

>>15487104
>New Shepard - edition
Sir, this is a spaceflight thread.

>>15487111
https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/08/29/1058724/the-first-private-mission-to-venus-will-have-just-five-minutes-to-hunt-for-life/

older article explaining the paper basically

> As the covid pandemic raged in late 2020, all eyes turned briefly from our troubled planet to our planetary neighbor Venus. Astronomers had made a startling detection in its cloud tops: a gas called phosphine that on Earth is created through biological processes. Speculation ran wild as scientists struggled to understand what they were seeing.

> But the bulk of those missions would not return results until later in the 2020s or into the 2030s. Astronomers wanted answers now. As luck would have it, so did Peter Beck, the CEO of the New Zealand–based launch company Rocket Lab. Long fascinated by Venus, Beck was contacted by a group of MIT scientists about a bold mission that could use one of the company’s rockets to hunt for life on Venus much sooner—with a launch in 2023. (A backup launch window is available in January 2025.)

> “I’ve always felt that Venus has got a hard rap,” says Beck. “The discovery of phosphine was the catalyst. We need to go to Venus to look for life.”

> “This is the simplest, cheapest, and best thing you could do to try and make a great discovery,” says Seager.

>The probe is small, weighing just 45 pounds and measuring 15 inches across, slightly larger than a basketball hoop. Its cone-shaped design sports a heat shield at the front, which will bear the brunt of the intense heat generated as the probe—released by the Photon craft before arrival—hits the Venusian atmosphere at 40,000 kilometers per hour.

> Could this small but mighty effort be the first to find evidence of alien life in the universe? “The chances are low,” says Beck. “But it’s worth a try.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Weh46wVrDPE

>>15487104
Is it true that Jeff besos had a 1:20 scale fully operational model of his rocket built and he launches it directly into his African slave mans ass as Jeff goatses the African slave mans ass while Jeff's suspended from the ceiling by his testicles and then he sends the launch telemetry to the main launch control center and they include the data with data of the full scale rocket so he can write the fuel expenses for the rocket that launched into his African slaves ass off on tax and that Jeff performs these acts because he believes it gives him great sexual power? That's what I heard

I think there's a Von Neumann probe somewhere in the solar system, building little sub-probes to come over here and bother us.

https://spacenews.com/space-investment-rebounding-but-more-selectively/

> “We see definitely a recovery in the space technology market in terms of funding,” said Thomas Felix Baden, managing partner and co-founder of Neventa Capital. He noted his data showed that, in Europe, there has been more investment so far in 2023 than in all of 2022.

> “Investors are starting to get more selective,” he said, with more interest in backing “category leaders” that can offer near-term returns rather than “moonshot opportunities.” Rounds are getting smaller, he added.

> Tied to that selectivity is more scrutiny of the companies seeking funding. “The sentiment has really changed from one where investors were investing with very little diligence 12 or 24 months ago to really digging in,” said Marc Robbins, director at Barclays Corporate and Investment Bank.

> Steve Jurvetson, co-founder of Future Ventures and an early investor in Planet and SpaceX, said many SPAC deals were what traditionally would have been private venture rounds. “Those don’t necessarily end so well.”

> Anderson said he expected a shakeout in the industry to continue for “some time,” with more failures by companies or even investment funds. “It’s causing some short-term pain for some companies, but in the long run it’s probably going to be really healthy.”

>>15487122
Blatant CGI, but the golems will eat right up

>>15487111
You are never ever leaving this flat and stationary plane alive. 2025 will become 2030 and then 2040, so never.

Daily reminder the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brains. Goyggles might not even be necessary.

>>15487125
If the investors are smart, they'll probably avoid dumping cash into Johnny-Come-Lately Falcon 9 competitors.

>>15487126
>flat and stationary plane
Straight from the talmud

https://twitter.com/Starlink/status/1666121550314233858

>>15487104

>>15487126
post the image with the skeptic on the beach again schizo, I need the template.

>>15487122
Russia will never go to the moon (except as passengers)

>>15487182
might hitch a ride with some chinese lander later

>>15487184
Yes, "as passengers".

>>15487059
>Maybe got scared of the teslabot optimus getting mogged.
why is the Tesla bot getting mogged?

>>15487175
Your fellow npcs just deleted the "flat" part and passed it around as their own(repeatedly). Shills can't meme.

>>15487196
>we are going

nevermind, it looks more disgusting than I remember

What was NASA thinking when it came up with this?

>>15487213
probably that morton thiokol needed more money.

>>15487187
Kek

Today i will remind them.

>>15487213
Literally nothing wrong with it, stop being a homosex

>>15487220
What’s the problem? Everyone dogs on the starliner van, but there really isn’t anything wrong with it. It’s a million times better than that vaporware NASA contracted out for the artemis vans. That company went under already if memory serves correctly. A complete scam

>>15487223
I’m a simple man. I love volcanos. And I look at Constellation/Ares with rose tinted glasses. Would it have sucked? Yes. But SLS is far worse—therefore I like Ares

>>15487226
No idea why NASA didn't just buy an electric Ford Transit. I'm sure Bezos would have loved to sell NASA a Rivian Amazon van with Blue Origin branding too.

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soul
>>15487226
souless

>>15487230
Standard Rivians are probably too small but Im sure Bezos would have been happy to supply a custom electric van for Artemis. As much as I dislike that man, a rivian carrier van would at least be interesting

>>15487226
Looks and is gay.

>>15487213
There are no new ideas in oldspace

>>15487213
SRB first stages? Worked fine for the Japs

>>15487220
>starliner
>doesn't line stars
I don't think stars even have lining

>>15487104
Retard nigger page 8 stages. Its the same one from the last thread, and he made it new shepherd edition. Report the thread go back to original until page 10 then make a new one

> Musk can't pour some concrete to build this
pathetic

>>15487275
it was a page 10 stage but then jannies purged half the /sci/ catalog, AGAIN. There seems to be a trend with /sfg/ threads bouncing off page 10 - probably because it usually hits last page at night (US/EU), when the general is dead and the mods are asleep so trash threads pile up quick before then getting cleaned in the morning.

at least this board is organized enough to not have 3 new threads made as soon as the bump limit is hit.

>>15487213
>Let'S re-use existing Shuttle hardware to save money
LOL said the Space Industry. LMAO, even.

>>15487220
>a fucking Mercedes Sprinter Amazon Prime van

>>15487287

Good look at some space suit pieces.
https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1666158885638471680

>>15487292
>go to /mu/ out of curiosity
>assaulted by 50 billion ongoing KPOP GENERAL threads
It’s ridiculous. /sp/ generals are especially cancerous. Everyone makes a new thread at the same time as soon as it hits bump limit and everyone gets fractioned into different threads. It’s impossible to follow playoff baseball

>>15487293
save mone-

>>15487327
> program starts 2005
> have already spent 230 billies by 2004
oldspace has a time machine?

>>15487362
4D internal auditing, get with the program grandpa

>>15487287
that is a Disney castle, complete with moat and drawbridge

>>15487275
actually the previous 5 threads have all been made by the same person (me)
I'll let you make the next one

>>15487275
you are, in fact, the retard nigger.

>>15487383
>>15487376
Samefag

>>15487388

>>15487292
There's always five kpop general threads on /mu/ because they start a new thread the moment it hits bump limit. Fucking retards.

>>15487292
>at least this board is organized enough to not have 3 new threads made as soon as the bump limit is hit.
What can men to against such reckless autism

>>15487292
just to clarify the moment we hit page 10 we need to make a new thread. What happens to the old thread at that point doesn't matter

It's page 10 for SLS

>>15487411
Is this a lotr quote or something? It sounds very familiar

What about a space blimp

>>15487432

is there an original color version of the ring watcher's twitter banner? the mars base i mean.

>>15487515
*aerostat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aroSgXUfY7o

https://twitter.com/Astro_Raja/status/1665058692528480256

>>15487573

>>15487574
>>15487573
AWESOME

>>15487574

>>15487577

https://twitter.com/CommanderMLA/status/1666443672953540608

https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1666475216099495937

4h to stream start

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhWc8-Oyug8

>>15487598
https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1666475216099495937

https://blog.ulalaunch.com/blog/vulcan-preview-of-the-flight-readiness-firing

> United Launch Alliance (ULA) is preparing for the Flight Readiness Firing (FRF) of the Vulcan rocket as a validation of the fully integrated vehicle at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Florida.

>FRF demonstrates the day of launch timelines and procedures, propellant loading operations and the entire countdown through ignition of the twin booster engines at Space Launch Complex (SLC)-41.

>The firing will generate a roar of nearly a million pounds of thrust, but Vulcan will remain held to the launch pad by restraining mechanisms. The software program running in the rocket's flight computer will command engine shutdown to complete FRF.

> FRF is one of the most dynamic ground tests performed at the launch site. The team will complete post-abort safing procedures and begin detanking operations following the test.

>>15487602
>>15487598
>not reusable rocket
>2023
why

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1666444038860419072

100kg, lmao

>>15487603
space is hard

https://twitter.com/CNSAWatcher/status/1666315814343942144

>>15487611

>>15487614

>>15487618

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1666250770298322944

>>15487622
https://twitter.com/CopSub/status/1666310082085224449

>>15487598
https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1666474419408220160

>>15487533
you are talking about this one?
looks like a screenshot from some spacex video perhaps, but it could be any fan render as well

>>15487629
no

>100kg return sample from early Artemis missions due to Orion
holy fuck that's embarrassing

>>15487638
there is just no space with 4 astronauts and all their equipment

the 3d proonter virgin loser>>15487622
vs
the manual lathe chad>>15487627

S29 was fully stacked yesterday and nobody gives a damn.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/boeing-northrop-face-obstacles-commercializing-flagship-us-rocket-2023-06-07/

>"It's a capability right now that we, the DoD, don't need," Colonel Douglas Pentecost, a senior rocket acquisition official with the U.S. military's Space Force, said in an interview. "We have the capability that we need at the affordability price that we have, so we're not that interested in some partnership with NASA on the SLS system."

Not even the Space Force wants anything to do with SLS.

>>15487607
100kg is huge, thats the size of your average american female

SLS will probably go down as NASA's biggest failure

>>15487655
You do know the shuttle exists right?

>>15487634
yeah that. i dont recognize it so i assume its some kind of fan render.

>>15487656
SLS will probably fly way less than shuttle

>>15487656
The Shuttle was wildly successful compared to SLS.

>>15487652
Block 2 payload to LEO 130t for 2 000 million
Falcon Heavy fully expended payload to LEO 63.8t for 150 million
DoD isn't doing moon, mars or deep space missions so there is no reason to use SLS, it just costs like 8x
and even if they did, why wouldn't you just wait for like a year or something for Starship to come online, the cadence that SLS has its not unreasonable that Starship would actually get your payload where you want it quicker than the SLS if you needed that kind of performance

>>15487646
Just leave the woman, and minority on earth so more samples can be brought back. Simple.

oh wow
he can't keep getting away with it, I think Musk put like 200mil in or something

>>15487213
"Initial cheaper cost of using existing hydrolox infrastructure instead of building new RP-1 infrastructure will hook congress into sunk cost later down the line and thus it'll pass easier than with a larger upfront cost".
We've been over this before. They knew hydrolox is more expensive in the long run, they knew it was anemic. They also knew that politicians don't like high up front price tags.

>>15487651
stop baiting faggot

>>15487674
Its true though nobody talks about this sort of shit when thats the entire point of the thread

>>15487663
Falcon heavy is more economical per kilogram but is pretty volume-constrained, even with the extended payload fairing. SLS block 2 cargo is even less volume constrained than Starship thanks to having a conventional discarded fairing. It'd be interesting to see how the economics would work out for using SLS to mass deploy Kuiper satellites.

>>15487679
An anon said yesterday you were lying.
Anyway I care about 25 and B9

india would be doing amazing in space if it werent for the fact that corruption is 100x worse there than in russia

>>15487654

>>15487681
SLS cannot carry enough Kuiper sats to make it competetive.

>>15487701
Same energy

>>15487515
vacuum airship first stages

>>15487618
Ministarship tiles

>>15487652
a brutal oof

>>15487638
100 including unknown sample containers, so bet 50

The hell
https://www.reuters.com/legal/boeing-accused-lawsuit-stealing-trade-secrets-nasa-rocket-2023-06-07/

>>15487774
> June 7 (Reuters) - Boeing (BA.N) was sued on Wednesday by a Colorado company that accused the aerospace giant of stealing trade secrets for NASA's Space Launch System rocket, and then building components with "critical" safety flaws that could endanger astronauts.

> Wilson Aerospace said it worked with Boeing for two years starting in 2014 after Boeing, fearing the loss of billions of dollars of NASA revenue, sought its help in safely attaching engines to the rocket.

> According to a complaint filed in Seattle federal court, Boeing then canceled Wilson's work on the project yet kept using its intellectual property without receiving "full instructions" on how to build and install it, creating safety risks.

>"Boeing has captured billions of dollars in revenue because of the infringement of Wilson's trade secrets," and must turn over "all revenues and profits Boeing has obtained as a result," the complaint said.

> "This lawsuit is rife with inaccuracies and omissions," Boeing, brd in Arlington, Virginia, said in a statement. "We will vigorously defend against this in court."

>Wilson is brd in Fort Collins, Colorado, and comprised of its founder David Wilson, his son and his wife. The company is also seeking triple damages.

seems somewhat of a nothingburger

>>15487792
Yeah and I gotta remember to post like that.

>>15487792
>"Boeing has captured billions of dollars in revenue because of the infringement of Wilson's trade secrets," and must turn over "all revenues and profits Boeing has obtained as a result," the complaint said.
lmao, this is retarded

>>15487792
Someone inspired by that drone FP goggle debacle a while back doing a bit of patent trolling?

Vatniggatry when it comes to spaceflight is annoying

>>15487792
> > Additionally, the alleged theft resulted in mismatched components and “inferior products.” According to the complaint, “the mismatched tools have caused some fluid leaks that have continually delayed the SLS launch, costing NASA hundreds of millions of dollars while unjustly enriching Boeing.”

SLS delays because Boeing made cheap shitty knockoffs seems like more than a nothingburger, just saying.

>>15487792
>sought its help in safely attaching engines to the rocket.
jfc

>>15487812
lol, is that a sincere question or concern trolling?
I would think either Falcon 9 or Falcon Heavy depending on the requirements, Falcon 9 has 8.3t to GTO fully expended
the previous one was like 10 fucking days ago lmao
not sure spysats want to use months to circularize from GTO to GEO though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_and_Falcon_Heavy_launches
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/05/arabsat-7b-launch/

>>15487685
Please point to the post, also Ring Watchers literally announced it and they are THE source for this shit.

Could Valles Marineris be made to look like this?

>>15487837
yea if you had unlimited unquestioning access to all earths human and material resources

>>15487837
its basically singapore in a valley on another planet so start from there

It's over, oldspace is finished.

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1666538477805248512

>>15487837
>Twitter filename
>no results on saucenao or tineye
Post link.

>>15487922
ohnonono no no

>>15487922
lol, quite literally

>>15487922
yeah because shittle could stay in orbit for like a week at most.

>>15487926
its generated
https://twitter.com/SmokeAwayyy/status/1666529219395059712

>>15487922
he cant keep getting away with it

>>15487949
That's because the shuttle used chemical fuel cells instead of solar panels and batteries, since it was a 1970s design. If there had been a big fold-out solar power module that paired with Spacelab it could have stayed in orbit for months when it wasn't launching other payloads... which would probably have nuked the scientific necessity of the ISS, so I can understand why oldspace never went that route.

>>15487922
BUT HE SMOKED POT!11! AGHHH

this has got to be the cringiest shit i've ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzn_Lu9B284

>>15487837
I don't think you understand just how wide that valley is

>>15487922
Sweet. Now all that’s left to do is to file some frivolous lawsuit against Boeing and SLS. Give em a taste of their own medicine

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/boeing-sued-for-alleged-fraud-theft-of-tool-designs-and-leaking-information-12898379

>>15487994
> half your area taken up by open water
if you want water vapor in your hab then swamps are far more efficient due to plant transpiration

>>15488009
Swamp ecosystems don't work without horrible clouds of insects. Open water does not have that requirement

>>15487994
would something like that have a weather system? hydrological cycle?

>>15487922
Very nice, impressive... Let's see Soyuz's cumulative time in space.

>>15488008
Everyone already knows this happens, anything oldspace never innovates. They always just steal, lie, cheat and beg their way as close to the top as they can get, and they always win no matter what because of how much money is behind them. Hopefully they realize their space branch will never be profitable and just kill it, so sick of hearing about anything from Boeing.

>>15487961
Such a module was in development in the early days of the Shuttle, but was canned to clear way for Space Station Freedom
http://spaceflighthistory.blogspot.com/2015/08/evolution-vs-revolution-1970s-battle.html

>>15488009
Unless you're Shrek, swamps are miserable places to live in.

>>15487792
>Boeing should give a literally who company billions because they didn't receive full instruction on how to attach engines
yeah sure. This lawsuit is more frivolous that SLS itself

https://youtu.be/UhWc8-Oyug8

>>15488071
>2 BLEW Origin engines
God, it's so pathetic. Where's the lift? Where's the ambition?

26min to stream start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhWc8-Oyug8

NSF has a stream ongoing already
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWn3v4j5aTg

Vulcan is worse than SLS. SLS has the 'government idiots / congress' excuse which is a valid excuse. Vulcan is just private industry being absolutely retarded.

>>15488084
It's the "why bother" rocket. Made to fulfill existing contracts and nothing at all else.

>>15487961
>which would probably have nuked the scientific necessity of the ISS
I hate this broken window economics mindset that boomers have. They never think about all the money they could save and use on better things.

>>15488067
>>15488012
If your choice is between 40% of the total area being a lake or 5% of the total area being swamp which would you choose?

>>15487607
Can't wait till ISRU fuel production for HLS Starship is a thing for the Moon. Then you can ferry 25-50T from the moon to Earth orbit for orbital science and/or with a Starship docking and transference, down back to the Earth.

>>15488086
This lol. The only non government flight is the first one, for a moon lander.

>>15488040
Which Soyuz?

>>15488084
SLS uses engines designed 50 years ago

>>15488104
lake every time

>>15488118
go back

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1666562630759387137

Please blow up

Blow up, rid the world of non-reusable oldspace designs

I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE CRINGE ANNOUNCER AND PROMO VIDEO

What if it blows?

>>15488151
45 min

It's over. Eurobros I'm going to sleep

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1666559932680871937

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2ocBnraYhc
Readiness firing theme

>>15488193
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

>>15488193
But we paid them billions of dollars. How do they not have top of the line, custom made EVERYTHING?

>>15488193
Boeing must pray everyday for BO to keep taking their time in developing New Glenn, it's the only thing keeping SLS alive and the second it goes up not all bribes in the world will save Boeing from being ripped apart

>>15488104
If I'm rich I'm choosing saltwater lake for myself
If I'm building a slave cylinder for the poors they're getting a swamp

https://twitter.com/jpr007/status/1666554858563043328

>>15488253
>Kairan (pronounced Ky-ren)
>“He got up and declared that school was boring. And then, he got all of his friends in the classroom to start marching, chanting: Free Egypt, democracy now,” said Jullia. “He was 2. We were dumbfounded.”

yeah ok. someone's getting scammed here

>>15488253
lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhWc8-Oyug8

stream on, team is currently coordinating a new t-0

new t-0 when weather clears
I mean that could take hours?

>>15488256
amazing

Is 7 minutes the new 2 weeks?

>weather hold
>for a static fire
excuse me

>>15488291

>>15488291
Oldspace rockets are extremely delicate. Please understand.
Also space is hard.

vulcan't

>>15488256
Lines up date-wise with the Arab Spring. He probably heard protestors chanting it on TV.

>>15488113
since this specified Dragon2, might as well go with Soyuz-TMA instead of all the way back to the original ones

ORTHOGRID MACHINING
AHHHHH OLDSPACE HELP MEEEEEE

>Methalox burning orange plume
Jesus, just how fucking fuel rich is Blew running that turd?

>>15488290
Kek

>>15488303
weather is harder!
(seriously, I'm both amused and disgusted that weather could delay a static fire)

LIGHT THE FUCKING TURDS ALREADY!
I'm sick and tired of watching PR movies.

>increase engine production rate
lul

Only 7 minutes!

He engineers sales?

Serious question chuds, why can't elon dig a hole in the ground and put air from below with jet turbines creating air in the opposite direction as a system to slow and land the starship rocket?

>the BE-4 will be the workhorse engine of the 2020s and 2030s

>>15488318
It was raining so hard earlier that you couldn't even see SLC-41 on the spaceflight now stream and there was a severe lighting warning. I'm surprised they decided to go ahead with this at all.

>>15488336
I suppose it’s because real life doesn’t have fall guys physics

how many minutes left

>>15488342
20160

>>15488342
Half a fortnight’s worth

>>15488337
*for ULA and Blue Origin.

Wouldn't it be cool if ULA had a meteorologist who could give an eta on the weather? I understand space is hard though.

>>15488346
All 6 launches lol

what ever happened with ULA being sold

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1666445467196981250
>Free: NASA is involved with Starship investigation, and just met with FAA. Do have concerns about their ability to meet Dec. 2025 date for Artemis 3. They have a "significant number" of launches to go before that mission.
uh oh bros

>>15488353
I think the report was it'd happen by the end of 2023

>>15488340
But seriously think about it, you dig a hole bigger than the rocket and then pump air from below, air can only go up as the rocket goes down it will slow it down.

>>15488354
>implying everything else will be ready by then
I don't think they'll be behind the "real" schedule.

>>15488336
>>15488356
Anon, have you ever heard of a "water table"?

>>15488354
First, they need to make it to orbit.
Then they need to get back from orbit including mastering the whole "caught by the launch tower" thing
Then they need to launch the depot and tanker starship
Then they need to master large-volume cryogenic fuel transfer
Then they need to complete and launch the HLS starship

They've got a lot to do before Q4 2025

7:00

>>15488374
Yea but they can also build a building to contain the air so you don't have to dig that much, it would also allow you to recover stages without fuel.

>>15488338
but... for a static fire? those are only concerns when launching because your exhaust trail makes a path for a lightning strike

>>15488383
I wonder what the record is for longest hold?

>>15488389
Two weeks

I'm so fucking bored
When's the OLM and shower head gonna be done

>>15488389
2.5hr for Freedom 7

what a sad vehicle

does this test have a window?

>>15488393
See >>15488391

why was the US autistic enough to use liquid fueled ICMBs

Only seven more minutes!

>>15488412
Shut up bigot

Clear got bored and won't be watching live today :(

Clear(ly a man)

ULA's playing a whole documentary here, jeez

>>15488419
I get a dopamine hit every time they show Nazis

Here are some examples of things that can be done in approximately 7 minutes:

Boiling an egg: Depending on your desired level of doneness, boiling an egg can take around 7 minutes.
High-intensity interval training (HIIT) workout: A quick and intense workout session can be completed within 7 minutes.
Meditation: A short meditation session can provide relaxation and mindfulness in just a few minutes.
Brewing a cup of tea: Depending on the type of tea, brewing time can vary, but many teas can be steeped in around 7 minutes.
Taking a power nap: A short nap can help you recharge and boost your energy levels.
Brushing your teeth: It is generally recommended to brush your teeth for at least 2 minutes, but a quick brush can be done in 7 minutes.
Listening to a song: Many songs have an average duration of around 3 to 5 minutes, so you can enjoy a couple of songs in 7 minutes.
Reading a few pages of a book: Depending on the reading speed, you can cover a few pages of a book within 7 minutes.
Stretching exercises: A brief stretching routine can help relieve tension and improve flexibility.
Making a simple sandwich: Preparing a basic sandwich with your favorite ingredients can be done within 7 minutes.
Keep in mind that the time required for these activities may vary depending on individual circumstances and preferences.

>>15488421
chatgpt?

Oh no you guys, it's on fire...

>>15488424
yeah

Speaking of eggs, how could you cook sunny side up eggs in 0G? Sandwich it between two flat irons or something?

>>15488316
Its an oxygen rich cycle. It'll never be blue/green/pink. EVER.

Delta and Delta II were excellent rockets

>signaling the end of the expendable launch vehicle
oh really

>>15488433
And UFOs are real too

>>15488434
>a Challenger (dis)appears

Expendable astronauts

>>15488430
Shut the fuck up retard, only the turbopump is oxygen rich, it is then combined with the fuel in the combustion chamber which is fuel rich (for better ISP)

Only on /sfg/ will you find heated arguements between autists about fuel mixture

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1666602614954561536
>Had a lightning event during the planned hold. Triggered a redline and re-test criteria. Ran it through the Sil. Sorted out. Finalizing steps. Recycling and heading back into the count soon.

This is Vulcan Launch Control we will be ready for our flight readiness firing in exactly L-7 minutes, thank you for you're patience

25 MINUTES

>>15488454
before or including the 7 minutes

>>15488454
>+7

fucking retarded rocket, or frr as we like to call it

/sfg/ is racist

Oh that's brilliant graphics, 20% gray text on 10% gray background.

quality is go

GO! frfr

I demand a kaboom. Bruno must pay.

Red stripe on white somehow gives me Rocket Lab vibes

/sfg/ is based

launch when
I wanna see some fireworks

>>15488485
based on what?

WE GAAN

stream if you missed it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhWc8-Oyug8

Vulcan kinda sounds like Falcon with a british accent

COUNTING! AAAAAAA!

guys I think they're proud of their production facility in Alabama

Release the hold down clamps and let it rip

come on BE-4 do your thing
explode and ruin ULA

>we gave it a nice paint scheme but you can't see it when it matters

dubs and it lifts off the pad

HHAHAHHAHAHAH

it's over

was that all 7 seconds?

LMAO. This is it?

Where was the Earth-shattering kaboom?

BE-4 is real

here's ur 150mil a launch USSF subsidized rocket bro

>>15488505
ULASIS, why are they doing a show out of this test?

I watched an hour of ULA ads for this.....

>repeating the vids

I'm out

>>15488517
HAS'

expendable rockets.

>>15488434

so these are the results

>>15488525
after over an hour of rhetoric

Which one will reach orbit first?
Vulcan or Starship?

>>15488520
kek

Elon Musk just deleted ULA and Tory's Twitter accounts

>>15488533
Either way, Jeff still doesn't get to orbit. (those are first stage engines)

>>15488543
Holy kek, when was this? I wish I had the nuts on me to say that shit when I was 13.

>>15488539
god, I wish

>>15488539

>>15488546
https://www.unixtimestamp.com/

>>15488546
It's not real.

>>15488556
source?

>>15488533
Good odds of Vulcan being first now

>>15488560
>comparing launch dates of a medium lift rocket with a heavy lift rocket
Falcon 9 beat Vulcan years ago.

>>15488563
The current race is to see who orbits a methalox rocket first.

>>15488566
Zhuque almost guaranteed

>>15488566
I'm okay with that.

>>15488572
Vulcan's first flight should be this month.

>>15488572
lol

/sfg/ continues to be, by far, the most popular and best general on /sci/ and will soon being another free fall journey to the bottom of pages 10.

https://youtu.be/Iu6yZY6ys1I
holy shit if your arent investing in NeutronX right now what are you even doing??

>>15488630
Why would anyone invest in a DOA Falcon 9 competitor?

Hey /sfg/, how's it hanging? I've been posting here for a few years now, and I just wanted to say...well I'm just so happy to call you my friends. It gets lonely, having such a niche hobby like this. I love you guys. Ad astra and all that. Zubrin out.

gi joe ass looking aesthetic

>>15488646
Why is interest in rocketry such a niche hobby? Is it because normies get filtered by the math?

>>15488646
Anon, are you drunk?
Btw, you are all my friends too :), death to all earthers

>>15488532
nice sparklers. They should include some waving American flags too.

>>15488674
my what an aesthetic tower

>>15488676
>Is it because normies get filtered by the math?
Don't think so. I loved space stuff long before I was decent at math.

>>15488676
Its because normies have no SOVL

>vulcan is coming
what are the implications of this?

>>15488839
nothing
it will fly five times total

>>15488839
it means vulkan will fly 60% of national security payloads plus the other 40% because starship is never happening

Cancel Starship. We have Mars at home.

>The maiden flight is slated to launch Astrobotic Technology's Peregrine lunar lander for NASA's Commercial Lunar Payload Services (CLPS) program and Kuiper Systems' Kuipersat-1 and Kuipersat-2 demo satellites.
well that's a very important launch. the fate of so many companies are riding on a new untested rocket.

>>15488676
because seeing them launch in person is difficult
building one yourself is dangerous and expensive (unless you are using toy solid motors)

in comparison, trains or planes are everywhere and you don't have to be a billionaire or jet fighter ace with two PhDs to get onboard

>>15488393
>shower head
Bidet

>>15488676
I got laughed at at work for mentioning that when I went to Orlando I didn't go to Disney or Universal, but Kennedy Space Center instead :(

>>15488888
You can build a really nice flyable fully aerobatic airplane using model aircraft turbine engines, not even all that expensive.
https://youtu.be/L4ZGhPZEkZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXpo4vv1WiM

>>15488908
I've only been to Orlando one time, I went there to learn to fly floatplanes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTkvS7HLhHE

>>15488915
call me coward, but I would not fly this janky thing

>>15488924
The night shots are sci-fi tier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjIqHCCbzHU

SpaceX when ?
Captcha: xaxsoy

>>15488957
you're too cowardly to fly in any airplane thats piloted by yourself because you have no self confidence. if you were the type of person who had enough self confidence to build and then fly your own aircraft then you would be uncomfortable letting others do the flying for you.

The earth is flat and stationary. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive and neither are you sciencegoys. CGI is all you get in this life.

If the tremendous, dominant power of /sfg/ would organize itself to bump every thread in the catalog every time /sfg/ hits the bump limit then /sfg/ would rapidly fall to page 10 & the new /sfg/ would then appear glued to the top of page 1 where it belongs.
as it currently stands, /sfg/ will flounder here on page six or whatever for ages before we get a new /sfg/

>>15487774
>>15487792
berger article, a bit more info on the technical side

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/06/supplier-sues-boeing-over-alleged-theft-of-sls-rocket-tools/

>"Without the engines installed and fitted perfectly, the rocket could not launch," the lawsuit states. "This was an existential threat to the entire SLS project and especially to Boeing’s continued involvement in the lucrative project. Boeing had not yet figured out a way to attach all the components because the tight, confined spaces at the 'boat tail' of the rocket did not permit the use of Boeing’s existing tools; nor did any other tools calibrate the torque needed with the extreme precision required by NASA for the SLS program."

> Wilson said that Boeing wanted to use its torque device because it could operate in this tight space and the force and precision needed.

> According to the lawsuit, after some initial discussions, Boeing arranged for a "live" demonstration of Wilson's torque device, during which participants could handle and operate it to verify the tool's capability and performance. What Wilson claims it did not realize, however, is that some of the participants in this demonstration were not Boeing employees.

> "Wilson later learned that at least seven of those in attendance for the live presentation were external to Boeing and were, at the time, employees of Wilson’s direct competitors," the lawsuit states. "This fact was concealed from Wilson who was deceived by Boeing and the 'Bogus Boeing Employees' into giving the presentation by falsely suggesting to Wilson that everyone was a Boeing employee."

maybe there is something to this? Like if it has happened multiple times before, basically IP theft of different kinds

>>15489023
sheetz article

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/07/wilson-aerospace-sues-boeing-over-allegedly-stole-ip-for-nasa-projects.html

> Wilson Aerospace, a small family-run tools company based in Colorado, is suing Boeing for a wide range of claims concerning allegedly stolen intellectual property over the last two decades.

> The company’s lawsuit centers around multiple custom-designed tools that Wilson says it created for Boeing. Boeing, in turn, “rewarded Wilson’s efforts by brazenly stealing” the IP related to multiple devices, the complaint says. Wilson filed suit in a Washington federal court Wednesday.

> Led by David Wilson, who founded the eponymous firm in 1999, the Colorado-based company invents specialty aerospace tools such as its “Fluid Fitting Torque Device,” or FFTD, used for tightening and loosening fittings such as those in “cramped, difficult to access areas on spacecraft.” Wilson developed variations of FFTD, as well as other tools and assemblies, for use on the ISS, the Space Shuttle-era experimental module SPACEHAB, as well as Boeing’s Starliner capsule and Dreamliner aircraft.

> Central to the lawsuit is work done by Wilson for Boeing from 2014 to 2016 to use an FFTD product to solve an issue attaching the rocket’s engines to SLS “with the precise amount of torque.” Wilson alleges the aerospace giant downloaded proprietary information, cut off communications with the company, and built “counterfeit” variations that Boeing passed on as its own to NASA.

> “We fully believe that there are other companies, probably small American-owned companies, that have been affected by this same activity inside Boeing,” Wilson lawyer Flowers told CNBC.

https://spacenews.com/vulcan-performs-static-fire-test/

> The test appeared to go as planned. “Nominal run,” Tory Bruno, president and chief executive of ULA, tweeted moments after the test.

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1666612451440222209

> “This is a huge milestone. This is as close as you can come to launching a rocket without actually launching the rocket,” Mark Peller, vice president of Vulcan development at ULA, said on a company webcast shortly after the test.

> An additional factor is that the primary payload for the Cert-1 launch, the Peregrine lunar lander by Astrobotic, had launch windows open for about four to five days a month. ULA will also have to work around other Atlas launches at the pad, although one potential conflict, the first crewed flight of Boeing’s CST-100 Starliner, has slipped from late July because of spacecraft issues.

> Other payloads on Cert-1 are the first two demonstration satellites for Amazon’s Project Kuiper broadband constellation, as well as a payload for space memorial company Celestis.

>>15489018
If jannies weren't faggot niggers we could stage at image limit and yeet some random gay ass maths thread or bait thread or whatever whenever it happens because who fucking cares.

>>15489018
>flounder here on page six or whatever for ages
yes, where the page 1 /sci/zos can't see it
why are you so obsessed with being on page 1?
lrn2catalog

https://spacenews.com/chinese-commercial-rocket-firm-launches-26-satellites-sets-national-record/

> Aboard were the Shiyan-24A and Shiyan-24B experimental satellites. The other payloads were described as technological demonstrations and commercial remote-sensing by Chinese state media reports.

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202306/07/WS6480765aa31033ad3f7bafec.html

> China launched a ZK 1A carrier rocket from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in northwestern China, transporting 26 satellites into space and setting a new record for the most spacecraft launched by a single Chinese rocket.

> The 30-meter, solid-propellant rocket blasted off at 12:10 pm and soon placed the satellites into preset orbits, including the Shiyan 24A and 24B experimental satellites.

>The 26 satellites are tasked with carrying out technological demonstrations and commercial remote-sensing operations, according to CAS Space, a Beijing-based rocket company owned by the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

> The ZK 1A conducted its debut flight at the center in July 2022, becoming the country's largest and most powerful solid-propellant rocket.

>>15489041
> CAS Space, sometimes referred to as Zhongke Aerospace, is a commercial spinoff from the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS). The firm has plans for a series of solid and reusable liquid propellant rockets for launch services and space tourism.

https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1649984630232154113

> The second Lijian-1 rocket, also known as ZK-1A or Kinetica-1, was the first produced at new facilities in Nansha District in the southern city of Guangzhou. Shikong Tansuo, a space arm of automaker Geely Technology Group, has also settled in Nansha, following a 2021 move by the local government to attract space companies at all stages of the supply chain to the area.

having 3 names for the same rocket is pretty annoying

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1666617153427066880

https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/1666616416307646465

https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1666620288493035520

it pains me that i dont have the resources to help further the advancement of spaceflight

>>15488527
After 3 hours of rhetoric.

>>15489023
>Torque Device

Source?
I read it in a peer reviewed paper.

>>15489063
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20130010404/downloads/20130010404.pdf

FFTD, fluid fitting torque device
kind of not that weird that NASA has this kind of massive costs if they contract out these random small articles to singular people that then want royalties for use of the devices
instead the people involved designing it from ground up to also think about the construction

>>15489049
SpaceX could definitely learn a thing or two from these two fellas

>>15489076
>bizarre one off cnc-machined torque device
yeah typical oldspace

this gravity energy storage lake has a head of 1500 meters

>>15488193
you can really tell cost cutting accountants have taken over the corp and are rotting it inside out

>>15488908
did you laugh back at them for being such retards thinking wanting to see anything Disney related is something to brag about?

>>15489156
didn't that happen like 30 years ago
it just takes a while for it to rot

>>15488527
lol

>>15489139
Earth is certainly the most beautiful planet in this whole solar system

>>15489183
so far

>>15489139
why is the water blue?

>>15488521
kek'd

>>15489183
Agree
>>15489216
Minerals from the rock make it blue

>>15488676
because you can't just set off a rocket anywhere you like

>>15489163
It was whenever Mickey D's execs took over

>>15488908
Elon's growth has been both a blessing and a curse. It's good since spaceflight is is no longer cucked by oldspace, but bad since normies go "haha like the meme spaceman" whenever you mention anything space related.

>>15488908
where do you work?

>>15489216
what do you mean? Water is always blue.

>>15489245
Any publicity is good publicity for space. Space isn't in anyone's mind in normoid sphere of influence, so any eyeball is good

>>15488888

>>15489245
normies are called sheep for a reason, what is acceptable or cool can change in an instant and generally the memory of culture seems to be almost completely non-existent
if they aren't actively hostile to it to the degree they start to affect policy so it is hindered, it doesn't really matter
what retards think doesn't matter

>>15488908
>>15489287
It depends solely on your status. If you are a Chad like me, people will ask you to tell them more and more about spaceflight. But if you are a beta like (You), then they will laugh at your face. Pic related.

>>15488888
checked

>>15489355

>>15489355
no, the situation you are talking about what they care about is the person, not the subject
so in fact they don't care about space and you shouldn't care what think due to them not really caring about the subject in the first place

https://twitter.com/ThePrimalDino/status/1666511684632977419

I'm predicting I eat my poop after I drink my pee.

>>15489398
>postpone the landing
Then what would even be the point of the mission?

>>15489398
Based Origin will be ready

>>15487297
Nice

I wonder how deep the water would need to be to stop all the exhaust.

https://twitter.com/thunderf00t/status/1666827797766053889

>>15489466
holy cope

>>15489466
don't even bother posting those here dude

>>15489139
wow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv8DPzaed0Q

https://spacenews.com/nasa-concerned-starship-problems-will-delay-artemis-3/

> Free said NASA’s concern is the number of launches of Starship that SpaceX has to carry out to be ready for Artemis 3. Each Starship lander mission requires launching the Starship lander itself as well as several “tanker” Starships to fuel the lander in Earth orbit before it goes to the moon. Before Artemis 3, SpaceX will carry out an uncrewed Starship lunar landing, and also must demonstrate cryogenic fluid transfer in Earth orbit.

> “That’s a lot of launches to get those missions done,” Free said. “They have a significant number of launches to go, and that, of course, gives me concern about the December of 2025 date” for Artemis 3.

>He reiterated those schedule concerns later in the meeting when asked about the schedule for Artemis 3. “With the difficulties that SpaceX has had, I think that’s really concerning,” he said. “You can think about that slipping probably into ’26.”

> NASA has personnel involved in the investigation of the launch, and Free said he had just met with a Federal Aviation Administration official about it. “They’re doing everything they can, but they look at the launch license for the next mission,” he said of the FAA. “What I tried to convey to him is our big picture of everything that’s going to take to get to that human lander.”

> “I get a lot of questions, ‘Will you make the date?’ Well, they need to get flying before we can get any kind of assessment,” he concluded.

> He said he was confident that SpaceX would ultimately deliver the Starship lander, and noted that the fixed-price structure of the Human Landing System award shields NASA from additional costs. “But, the fact is, if they’re not flying on the time they’ve said, it does us no good to have a firm fixed price contract other than we’re not paying more.”

>>15489466
2 weeks and twitter is going to shut down.

>>15489490
>“But, the fact is, if they’re not flying on the time they’ve said, it does us no good to have a firm fixed price contract other than we’re not paying more.”
lol what the fuck
he is implying that cost+ contracts have performed better from a speed standpoint?
I wonder what is going on in the backround

>>15489398
They're prepping us for when FAA delays Starship by 1-2 years

https://twitter.com/JimFree/status/1666815704006553607

https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/2023/06/07/nasas-artemis-ii-european-service-module-is-making-fast-moves/

> Teams are performing final checkouts of the Orion spacecraft’s service module before integrating the crew and service modules for Artemis II, the first Artemis mission with crew. In parallel, technicians from Airbus will conduct inspections of the solar array wings following the successful completion of service module acoustic testing in May, which ensured the service module can withstand the speed and vibration it will experience during launch and throughout the mission. During the inspections, each of the four panels will be fully redeployed and reexamined. The crew module also will undergo acoustic testing ahead of joining with the service module.

>Provided by ESA (European Space Agency), the service module is the powerhouse that will fuel, propel, and provide in-space maneuvering capability, and is responsible for life support commodities such as water and breathable air for astronauts onboard Orion in support of future Artemis missions.

>>15489490
>> He said he was confident that SpaceX would ultimately deliver the Starship lander, and noted that the fixed-price structure of the Human Landing System award shields NASA from additional costs. “But, the fact is, if they’re not flying on the time they’ve said, it does us no good to have a firm fixed price contract other than we’re not paying more.”
Why do they always go hard on SpaceX with these languages but never Boeing or any other? Last time, Jim Bridenstein was talking shit about SpaceX when Musk was announcing Starship about "delivering on time" or some nonsense.

>>15489503
because they are corrupt

>>15489503
Remember "it's time to deliver."?

>>15489490
supposedly a video of the talk, HLS portion starts at 25min, havent listened to it yet

https://vimeo.com/825858042

>>15489490
Jim Free has always been a fucking Boeing snake. SLS is his baby, fucking cretin

>>15489216
>>15489229
>>15489266

Rock flour from glacial runoff.
>If the river flows into a glacial lake, the lake may appear turquoise in colour as a result.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_flour

This might be my fav /sfg/ photo. F9 with Axiom-1 and SLS with Artemis-1.

>>15489512
26:30 he starts talking about FAA launch license

>>15489503
It's to deflect from Boing! getting exposed as literal thieves.

>>15489530
Shut up e*rther

>>15489490
Yeah, let's see how long it takes for Artemis 2 to happen before we start worrying about SpaceX. Will Artemis 2 even launch before December 2025 after all the delays for the first launch?

>>15489492
God I hope so, then elon can go back to doing stuff that matters instead of shitposting all the time.

>>15489645
He doesn't tweet that much.

>>15489490
NASA late to the part yet again. Most of us here knew SS would be the bottleneck 2 years ago.

>/sfg/ on page 10 with 400 posts

its over

>>15489753
It's so dead no one posts /sfg/ is dead anymore

/sfg/ is gone

I'm not going to stage it anymore, some retards starts crying every time

>>15489549
It's still kind of surreal to see SLS as a real rocket that has actually put payload in orbit, and Orion as a spacecraft that has been to lunar orbit. If New Glenn beats LM9 to orbit the US will have the top FOUR most powerful actively serving rockets in the world, all involved in Artemis, and three of them capable of first stage reuse.

>>15488488
based on a shared hatred of Earthers