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15481784 No.15481784 [Reply] [Original]

I've probably made several dozen threads on this topic over the last 3 years, but I still haven't received any respectful, intelligent, good faith responses from anyone on this board (or anyone IRL). I figured I'd give it another try.

For the past three years, many of the woke, pro-censorship types on this board and in mainstream discourse more broadly speaking have repeatedly claim that the Lab Leak Hypothesis is a baseless conspiracy. This would seem to conflict with basic scientific realities, since mainstream doctors and biologists have taken the possibility of a COVID lab leak seriously from the very beginning. This includes both doctors and scientists, as well defense experts, editors of top scientific journals like the Lancet, US government officials, and even officials in the Chinese government. Nevertheless, woke redditors constantly complain about the Lab Leak hypothesis, and have often demanded that discussion of the topic be banned on social media. These woke types claim to be hyper-rational individuals who always "trust the science" and "trust the experts", but in reality they are more than happy to ignore "the science" if it conflicts with their values and worldview, and will even resort to censoring legitimate scientific positions that they disagree with, such as the Lab Leak Hypothesis.

The question I have for these people is
(1) what makes the Lab Leak hypothesis a racist, white nationalist, pro-Russian conspiracy theory, given that there are mainstream scientists who support the theory, and
(2) if there are legitimate scientists who endorse the lab leak theory, how come ignoring them and even attempting to censor them is not "anti-science"? Why is it that woke SJWs are allowed to dismiss the Lab Leak Hypothesis as a conspiracy theory, even if these people are not scientists, and even if that position conflicts with the views of actual scientists who do endorse the lab leak theory?

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>>15481784
wall of text to imply "covid" is real. diversion and distraction shilling.

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>>15481784
I thought the lab leak hypothesis was stupid because most novel pathogens evolve on factory farms and open air markets. There was no reason to believe that a bat would have escaped from a lab and spread the disease to a human population.

It's possible but that means the people at the lab were incompetent and there ain't nothing to be done about incompetent retards working for the government to create novel pathogens. It's not like you are going to stop it from happening.

Fauci did a great job during the pandemic. He was tasked with basically an impossible mission and he did his best. The people you should be mad at are the people that told him to do all those things which includes Trump and all his goons.

>> No.15481830

>>15481815
Decent bait, but sucking Fauci's dick gave it away

>> No.15481832

>>15481815
bullshit, word salad, schizo shill spam.

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>>15481830
>>15481832
You elected Trump, he was in charge of Project Warpspeed and Fauci was simply executing orders given to him by the people in charge. Trump is a pharma shill just like every politician.

>> No.15481845

>>15481815
You almost convinced me you were serious. Protip: watch the spacing and don't push it too far. Otherwise good attempt at trolling for the first time. You'll get better with practice, but not everyone will give you honest feedback like I do so be careful of being trolled in return.

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>>15481845
I am serious. Fauci is a genius and performed his duties admirably.

>> No.15481855

>>15481843
yes, all politicians are faggots. they are high level shills.

>> No.15481858

>>15481847
I agree but unfortunately there's a difference between his real duties and the public perception of what his duties are supposed to be.

>> No.15481859

>>15481847
no, shill, you are paid to love him here

>> No.15481861

>>15481858
> I agree
coordinated ass licking. "escort team" out of shills.

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>>15481858
What does the public perceive his duties to be? I thought his job was to sell the vaccine and try to get the economy back on track and he did that really well. People were dropping like flies and herd immunity was a retarded pipe dream so he did his best given the circumstances.

>> No.15481870

>>15481861
You don't understand sarcasm you literal autist. Fauci shilled admirably and thus performed his duties.

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>>15481855
Then why are you mad at Fauci? He is not a politician.

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>Fauci

>> No.15481881

>>15481871
he is.

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>>15481879

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>>15481881
>he is.
is he tho

>> No.15481916

>>15481784
It has a low chance to occur, lower than the spread of ebola and HIV from wildlife.
You are wrong at pointing the leak as the biggest event and they know it and they will hide behind it like a parasite

The biggest part is:
-make people believe that Chyna is evil and the enemy of the west BUT you open dangerous biolabs
-Then you train and make Frankensteinian experiments there, it doesn't matter if they don't "gain function" what matters is why are you designing monstruous viruses in the country of le enemy?
-Then pretend that nobody knew because people think that making le science is le magic and dragons is le epitome of le soientific future while nobody points out that science projects aren't hard to track and you have to write everything you do or le scientific model turns into a school project

And if Fauci is le God-soietismist then why is he and the US gov doing school projects in China??

>> No.15481924

>>15481916
> ebola
> spread
germ theorism is schizophrenia

>> No.15482039

>>15481784
>Why do all the SJW's on this board claim that the Lab Leak Hypothesis is a "conspiracy theory"?
because thats what Reddit wants them to do, theres no logic behind it, they just follow the reddit consensus

>> No.15482048

>>15481784
It's a controlled globohomo narrative. COVID doesn't exist, it's something else entirely.

>> No.15482108

>>15481843
nice thumbnail, faggot

>> No.15482153

>>15482108
u jelly?

>> No.15482154

>>15482153
Give me the full image, faggot.

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>>15482154

>> No.15482172

>>15481847
>I am serious
this guy is serious.

>> No.15482173

>>15481784
Why? Because 3 years of fucking media propaganda. They wont admit that they're became the propaganda, willing or not. They were "just following orders." Like the milgram test. Part of the Herd mentality + propaganda + political ideology speaking to them.

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>>15482173
>just following orders
congratulations, you are one step closer to enlightenment

>> No.15482191

>>15482179
>we should rename AI to AS
presumably pronounced "ASS".

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>>15482191
>pronounced "ASS".
Correct

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>>15482172
>this guy is serious.
that's what i said

>> No.15482199

>>15481886
more fauci memes

>> No.15482200

>>15482048
Linked to 5g maybe? They censor it like crazy.

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>>15482199

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>>15481784
You are wrong on one key point. It wasn't a leak, it was an intentional release by the Pentagon. And the GoF design work for SARS-2 (this time we'll get it right!) didn't happen in Wuhan, it was at UNC Chapel Hill.

>> No.15482300

>>15482218
you are totally shill.

>> No.15482509

>>15482218
>t wasn't a leak, it was an intentional release by the Pentagon.
/thread

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>>15482509
/thread

I love my "name"

>> No.15482778

Because a collaboration of America and China released COVID-19 on purpose to lock down the world and admitting it was a lab leak would be a step toward admitting they did it all on purpose.

>> No.15482781

>>15482778
BULLSHIT-19

>> No.15482799

>>15482778
You still have to prove it actually exists, not joking.

>> No.15483124

>>15481784
>The question I have for these people is
lol you asking the wrong questions entirely. they are not honest agents.
>slowly, i began to hate them...

>> No.15483126

>>15481815
4/10

>> No.15483127

>>15481784
I personally don't care, it's probably a lab leak but so what, I am tired of this covid thing, I literally don't give a fuck where it came from, it's irrelevant.

>> No.15483137

>>15481784
>I WANT THE TRUTH!
>son...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuaHRN7UhRo

>> No.15483193

>>15483127
> I
shill, it didn't.

>> No.15483201

>>15481784
>if you're wrong, then i'm right...
>conspiracy theorist...
do you see? do you see?

>> No.15483565

>>15482218
its a little deeper than that. what they were after was a generalized corona virus vaccine. which, in itself, would represent a great step forward and open the door to personalized medicine. of course, like anything else, its dual purpose. but the pandemic did a great job of rapid prototyping technologies to achieve LEV before the boomers die.
>thanks for playing

>> No.15483598

>>15481784
It is a conspiracy because it is a psyop meant to distract retards like you from the actual truth: there is no covid. "Bioweapons" do not have a 99% survival rate. "Bioweapons" do not need to be tested to know one has it. "Bioweapons" do not take months to spread. If you think it is a bioweapon you're an idiot.

>> No.15483618

>>15483598
>"Bioweapons" do not have a 99% survival rate
>calls others idiots
smoothbrain, the very best bioweapons ABSOLUTELY have a survival rate of 99.999%. but, of course, in the ideal R0 and fatality are customizable.

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>>15483598
when retards say it's a "bioweapon" they mean it as shorthand for virus that was developed in a lab. it's technically correct, they were doing gain-of-function research, aka bioweapon research, and their research was very successful. they had the sequence right after the leak and they were working on the vaccine before it was made public. it didn't play out as expected but it is most definitely a bioweapon

>> No.15483630

>>15483627
>they had the sequence right after the leak
no, that was the decoy sequence released by shi's group to cover their asses. unfortunately, that sequence formed the basis for the vaccine work that followed. fortunately for us all, we got lucky.

>> No.15483646

>>15483618
>Governments spend millions funding scientists to make viruses that don't do anything
Shill.

>>15483627
Why say bioweapon when they don't mean bioweapon?

>> No.15483650

>>15483627
>fag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiPmHwxK6u4

>> No.15483654

>>15483646
>Governments spend millions funding scientists to make viruses that don't do anything
im feeling generous. maybe to yourself or just to those who pass over your asinine comment...
>Governments spend millions funding scientists to make viruses that ONLY DO ONE THING
ftfy

>> No.15483656

>>15483654
What does "covid" do?

>> No.15483659

>>15483646
>Why say bioweapon
i already told you it is shorthand for gain-of-function research. retards call that bioweapon research because it's easier to type and more memorable

>> No.15483663

>>15483656
>what can't it do
im not going to spoonfeed you idiot.

>> No.15483665

>>15483659
Who understands this shorthand? Is it a secret code for all covid bioweapon believers? Or are you just lying through your teeth at this moment because you're so stupid to think a virus that doesn't kill anyone and isn't even proven to be real is a manufactured weapon?

>> No.15483667

>>15483663
Your virus does everything else the flu and cold does. You are lying and a shill.

>> No.15483675

>>15483667
just who's jewin' who here?

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>>15483665
ask any retard on >>>/pol/ and they will explain why they call it a bioweapon. it will be what i told you

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>>15483679
also, i never lie. i make shit up but i never lie

>> No.15483684

>>15483679
Then go back there. /sci/ is not for secret codes and retarded conspiracy theories invented by alphabet agencies.

>> No.15483687

>>15483684
>retarded conspiracy theories invented by alphabet agencies.
>ironic

>> No.15483690

>>15483684
you asked, i answered. why r u bitching about it?

>> No.15483693

>>15483690
>ITS DEY CULTURE!!
he cant help it. and it helps he gets paid for engagement.

>> No.15483696

>>15483687
It's quite simple actually. So there's this allegedly deadly pandemic spreading, so the gov wants to shut everything down. But they know that there are many people interested in conspiracy theories who will do the opposite of what they're told. So what do they do? They tell their glowie controlled opposition to shill the idea that the deadly virus is a "bioweapon" leaked from a "biolab" to these conspiracy theorist, most of whom aren't very bright and are often christian fundamentalist retards. They make it seem like this is something that the government is trying to cover up, further encouraging the lie to be spread. So instead of these people, like you, assuming it's all completely fake and ignoring all of it, you instead fear it for your own reason and do what the government say, possibly even getting the vax. Of course, you often alter it to not be a leak but rather intentional, but the premise remains and the well is still poisoned.

>>15483690
The fact that you're lying.

>> No.15483697

>>15483693
feds are not sending their best these days

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>>15483696
>The fact that you're lying.
that's just your retarded opinion. point out the lie but here's a hint, you can't

>> No.15483702

>>15483700
>point out the lie
The claim that "covid" exists.

>> No.15483705

>>15483598
yep, it's totally nocebo weapon, blahblahweapon. however even staying in line waiting for a jab among old people and stupid people does have an impact on nerves and body.

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>>15481815
>bats escape from lab

LMAO. Gr8 b8 m8

>> No.15483707

>>15481815
shill, it's already old pasta. update your instructions folder.

>> No.15483708

>>15483702
>The claim that "covid" exists.
so it's a non-existent bioweapon developed in a lab somewhere in china by irradiating bats one which escaped confinement but the bat doesn't exist?

take your meds man, the virus was developed in a lab, it leaked, millions died. really basic stuff

>> No.15483711

>>15483708
Every post I've made in this thread has been against the bioweapon psyop. If you can't follow a conversation don't even post you fucking retard.

>> No.15483713

>>15483706
they were fucking with animals by poisoning them and then seeing what would happen. they were literally trying to accelerate viral mutation. the lab was working on gain-of-function research on novel coronaviruses and they got sloppy with their containment and now we are all fucked

>> No.15483717

>>15483711
i gotta say the feds are not sending their best these days. update your pasta folder, the bat escaped from the lab, simple as

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>>15483713
Correct - the comment to which I replied intentionally substituted the bats for the virus in order to troll.

>> No.15483722

>>15483696
>to write cleverly, you must first be clever
you'll only manage to convince those dumber than you...which of course you know very well
>im not after you...im after them...

>> No.15483724

>>15483720
>Correct
I usually am

>> No.15483726

>>15483720
The how come I'm a cripple and I don't do this? I must just be extremely based.

>> No.15483728

>>15483708
no, stupid shill, all bullshit lol

>> No.15483730

>>15483713
its hilarious because this was all out in open. they've been publishing papers, apply for grants, setting up labs in china for decades. but i guess are curious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdYDL_RK--w
>oi shut it down now guys

>> No.15483731

>>15483717
you escaped from meds, shill

>> No.15483736

>>15483730
hilarious that this is all fake. all virologists do is imitating occupation.

>> No.15483737

>>15483726
>The how come I'm a cripple and I don't do this?
because the food hasnt run out...

>> No.15483740

>>15483730
>but i guess are curious.
*but i guess people arent curious.

>> No.15483746

>>15483731
>VIRUSES DONT EXIST
isnt this a bit like saying molecular biology doesnt exist?? isnt the point you're trying to make, other than poisoning the well, is that viruses dont cause disease?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Hd05re6BLhUX/

>> No.15483747

>>15481813
Covid is a biological weapon created in nato's ukraine by a corporation owned by hunter biden and cronies, 10% for the big guy.
To cover the virus origin the CIA took the virus into wuhan and they release it there to blame the chinese.

>> No.15483748

>>15483746
> questions to hijack point
shill, you exist. viruses don't.

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>>15483747
total bullshit and shillshit.

>> No.15483755

>>15483713
True, but that virus was created in ukraine and was being tested on Russian citizens.

>> No.15483757

>>15483751
Your answer confirms it, you CIA glowie.

>> No.15483764

>>15483751
>pic related
kek
>They Don't Think It Be Like It Is, But It Do

>> No.15483767

>>15483755
my sweet summer child, there is more than one program. ethnic weapons are the holy grail.

>> No.15483768

>>15483757
shill, do you confirm that CIA and government ARE FAGGOTS?

>> No.15483797

>>15483767
>ethnic weapons
it's already possible to engineer gene drives that will make entire populations sterile. the technology exists and was deployed on mosquitos some time ago

>> No.15483808

>>15483797
thats ok when controlling for animal populations but with humans you must have greater precision.

>> No.15483815

>>15483797
if i recall, werent the released mosquitos already sterile?

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>>15481815
Reasonable, well thought out, good logic. It's rare to find people of decent intelligence in this cesspool. Glad to see it's still not hopeless.

>> No.15483818

>>15483816
>Reasonable, well thought out, good logic.
It's literally the most uninformed post in this thread. Using good diction to say midwit nonsense isn't intelligent.

>> No.15483821

>>15483816
nice sarcasm

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>>15483797
according to scientists?

>> No.15483828

>>15483816
>posts image of the expanded lagrangian
you are a pseud

>> No.15483846

>>15483818
It is the only post of reasonable logic. The problem with the lab leak theory is that it's highly unlikely compared to the chance that it's from the nearby Chinese wild animal market. Then Occam's Razor.

What is more likely:

Thousands of untrained people going into the wild without protection get a disease from Pangolins that first hopped from bats and therefore there is a reasonable expectation that it can easily jump species again.

A tiny group of scientists in a lab who take precautions at work every day let loose a bat virus they're studying because they're dipshits which just so happens to contain Pangolin DNA for no explainable reason whatsoever.

By reasonable expectation there is a 99% chance that the origins of Covid-19 are the wild animal market and a 1% chance it's a lab leak. Although a lab leak theory is not impossible it is highly improbable.

>> No.15483847

We will never know , but the idea of accidental lab leak , should be taken seriously , and be investigated .
https://www.conservapedia.com/COVID-19
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/COVID-19/Origins
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laboratory_biosecurity_incidents

>> No.15483851

>>15483846
Again this is only your ignorance speaking. The Wuhan lab had previously been pilloried in the Chinese news for having atrocious safety. People there were working in "BSL4" labs with no PPE at all, being urinated on by research bats and barehanded touching viral samples.

>> No.15483865

>>15483851
The reasonable expectation is still on the thousands of untrained people going into the wild without protection every day and your post does absolutely nothing to explain the pangolin DNA markers found in Covid-19.

The only idiot here is you.

>> No.15483868

>>15483865
HIV and proprietary Moderna tool markers were found in Covid-19's genetic code as well. You don't want to go down that path.

Also since you seem uninformed of this, it's an RNA virus. It doesn't contain DNA, it contains RNA.

>> No.15483892

>>15483851
dont forget those freaks were reselling the bat meat. dodgy fuckers.

>> No.15483895

>>15483868
>that path
https://arkmedic.substack.com/p/how-to-blast-your-way-to-the-truth

>> No.15484031

>>15483868
still, it's all shillshit. but keep samefagging

>> No.15484035

>>15483847
> we
lol

>> No.15484038

>>15483815
they contain the genes that will cause sterility in the next generation so in one generation everything becomes sterile and the population is decimated

>> No.15484063

>>15484038
looks like your shill team got a booster, unusually active germ theorism propaganda hidden is coordinated "discussion"