/sci/ - Science & Math

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/05/spacex-is-going-for-its-200th-consecutive-falcon-9-success-tonight/

> Nearly seven years ago, on a steamy morning in Florida, a small team of SpaceX engineers was fueling a Falcon 9 rocket for a pre-launch firing test of its nine Merlin engines.

> The Amos-6 accident—known internally at SpaceX as "Flight 29"—was a wrenching failure for a launch company. With the destruction of the Space Launch Complex-40 pad, SpaceX had no other pads in service at the time, and it had no rockets to launch. It was a low moment and emboldened doubters at NASA and in the human spaceflight community as SpaceX worked toward human launches on board its Falcon 9 rocket. They would say things like, You want to put humans on that?

>But it was also the last serious accident involving the Falcon 9 rocket.

>Since the loss of that rocket, SpaceX has strung together a remarkable 199 successful launches of the Falcon 9 rocket. Late tonight, at 11:02 pm local time in California (06:02 UTC Wednesday), SpaceX has a chance to reach 200 successful launches with a Starlink mission lifting off from Vandenberg Space Force Base. Given the late hour, and weather permitting, this launch should provide some great viewing opportunities along the California coast tonight.

> Taking this failure into account, the Soyuz-U had a run of 100 successful launches from 1983 to 1986. This happens to be the exact same number of consecutive successes by the Delta II rocket, originally designed and built by McDonnell Douglas and later flown by Boeing and United Launch Alliance. Overall the Delta II rocket launched 155 times, with two failures. Its final flight, in 2018, was the rocket's 100th consecutive successful mission.

First for LOOP

People on Starship when?

https://spacenews.com/north-koreas-spy-satellite-launch-fails-with-second-stage-malfunction/

> The rocket, named Chollima-1, crashed into the sea nearly 200 kilometers west of South Korea’s southwestern island of Eocheong, after lifting off from a launch site in Tongchang-ri in North Pyongan Province at 5:29 p.m. Eastern May 30, according to South Korea’s Joint Chiefs of Staff. The flight lasted about six minutes, it added. The rocket flew southward, carrying the North’s first military reconnaissance satellite, Malligyong-1. The rocket and the satellite are brand-new, suggesting their capacity and other technical details are shrouded in mystery. But some information is expected to emerge as the South Korean military recovered parts of the launch vehicle near the crash site, where the exclusive economic zones of China and South Korea meet.

> The rocket plunged into the sea “after losing thrust due to the abnormal starting of the second-stage engine after the separation of the first stage during the normal flight,” said North Korea’s state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA). The agency said the failure could be blamed for “the low reliability and stability of the new-type engine system applied to carrier rocket Chollima-1 and the unstable character of the fuel used.” It did not provide further details.

> The May 31 flight was the North’s sixth satellite launch attempt and the first since 2016, according to a report issued in November 2022 by the Institute for National Security Strategy (INSS). North Korea has two satellites in orbit — KMS 3-2 and KMS-4 — launched in 2012 and 2016, respectively, although they are non-functional, according to Voice of America.

https://spacenews.com/satellite-operators-viasat-and-inmarsat-complete-merger-deal/

> Mark Dankberg, Viasat’s chair and CEO, is taking the same roles for the combined company. Former Inmarsat CEO Rajeev Suri and chair Andy Sukawaty are becoming board directors at Viasat to represent the private equity group that owned the British satellite operator.

> Regulators in Europe and the United Kingdom had heavily scrutinized the merger, focusing mainly on concerns it could lead to higher prices for Wi-Fi on planes and lesser quality,

> Following lengthy investigations, regulators ruled that established players and newer market entrants such as SpaceX’s Starlink would place sufficient competitive pressure on the enlarged group.

> Their merger announcement sparked additional consolidation plans as operators look to bolster their defenses amid a growing competitive threat from Starlink in the satellite broadband market.

https://spacenews.com/telesat-orders-prototype-satellite-to-continue-leo-broadband-tests/

> Telesat recently said it expects to start deploying Lightspeed satellites around 2026, six years later than originally planned, amid ongoing talks to fully fund a constellation set to be built by Thales Alenia Space.

https://spacenews.com/china-looks-to-long-march-8-rocket-to-help-launch-its-answer-to-starlink/

> China is developing its plans to deploy a 13,000-satellite low Earth orbit (LEO) broadband megaconstellation, sometimes referred to as “Guowang,” or national network, to rival Starlink and other Western ventures. The country’s military has claimed that SpaceX has intended for Starlink to be used for military purposes in the wake of Ukraine’s defense against the invasion of Russia.

> The Long March 8 set a national record of 22 satellites on a single launch in February 2022 as a commercial carpooling test. But it also verified its use for launching batches of satellites.

> The South China Morning Post last week reported progress on pulse production and assembly facilities near Wenchang. This will eventually have an annual output of 50 Long March 8 rockets.

> The China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology (CALT) is also considering a larger version of the Long March 8, referred to as the 8G. It would use a pair of upgraded hydrolox engines on a widened second stage, allowing an increase in payload capacity to SSO (6,400 kilograms) and a larger 5.2-meter-diameter fairing for encapsulating greater numbers of satellites.

> CASC subsidiary CAST and Microsat under the Chinese Academy of Sciences are understood to be contracted to manufacture satellites for Guowang. Meanwhile, private firm Galaxyspace is expected to launch its first flat panel antenna satellites with flexible solar arrays in the second half of the year.

How many constellations and planned constellations are there now?
Some are only around a few hundred satellites, but then there is stuff like Starlink and the Chinese LEO constellation.
Something like 10 constellations or planned constellations already?

Starlink, Chinese LEO Const, Kuiper, OneWeb, Telesat Lightspeed, the US military is doing something I think, Europe wants one

This will be the worst edition in 2 years. Starship will succeed

https://spacenews.com/spain-signs-artemis-accords/

> In a May 30 ceremony in Madrid, Spanish government officials signed the Accords, which outline principles for safe and responsible space exploration. Spain is the 25th country to sign the Accords and the second this month, after the Czech Republic May 3.

> Spain has for years been a major contributor to the European Space Agency, but recently has worked to bolster its space presence. The government announced it would establish a national space agency, the Agencia Espacial Española, in 2021, and the agency became operational earlier this year. It is also working to support a growing space industry, such as PLD Space, a launch vehicle startup planning a suborbital launch of a prototype rocket as soon as May 31.

https://www.fox.com/stars-on-mars/

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4592/1

> On June 5, Fox premieres a new reality show called “Stars on Mars.” The premise is that a group of C-list celebrities are stuck together in a simulated Mars habitat and go on various missions in fake spacesuits to compete for prizes. William Shatner—Captain Kirk himself—is back in “mission control,” overseeing the entire effort. This is the latest in a long list of space-themed reality shows, most of which never blasted off.

> Let’s be real: reality television is anything but. The drama and conflict on screen is often staged, encouraged, or created in the editing room. The contestants, of course, are not on Mars; the show was filmed in the same corner of the Australian desert where a crew filmed Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome, four decades ago. “Stars on Mars” was only revealed in April and then put on the schedule this month. It is now the thirteenth time that somebody has attempted to create a space-themed reality TV show, and this will only be the second one to air. The other ones probably failed because they tried to make a space flight as the prize for the winner. We don’t know what the winner of “Stars on Mars” will get, but it won’t be a trip to the Red Planet.

>TFW no space nurse

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4593/1

Long article about the death of Virgin Orbit
tl:dr airlaunching is retarded

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4591/1

> The case for space ethics

> The question of whether space expansionism is beneficial (for financial growth, innovation, and cultural diversification) or necessary (for survival and to manifest destiny) is ultimately ethical in nature. This question is not only about if we can go to space and build, settle, and live there, but rather, if we should. Naturally, since the 1960s Space Race between the USSR and United States, the answer to the first question is affirmative. But “can” alone does not imply “ought.”

> A moderate breakthrough came in July 2021 when Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin released a memo that outlined five "tenets of responsible behavior in space." [1] The word responsibility implies the state of being accountable or to blame for something, both essentially ethical concepts, yet the memo does not explicitly use the word ethics or make use of ethical principles in any substantial way.

>The tenets can be summarized as the following:

> 1) operate in, from to, and through space with due regard
> 2) limit the generation of debris
> 3) avoid harmful interference
> 4) maintain safe separation and safe trajectory, and
> 5) communicate to enhance safety and stability.

>>15474341
Air launching's only real advantage is military in nature, the structural requirements to sling a rocket under a plane offset the small gain of launching higher.

Getting high is not the hard part of going to orbit, it is going sideways at 14,000+ km/h

anyone got the video of the dearmoon crew attending maezawa's iss launch?

>>15474305

>>15474352
nevermind i found it

>>15474307
HAHHAHAHA who made this

>>15474344
> 1) operate in, from to, and through space with due regard
> 2) limit the generation of debris
> 3) avoid harmful interference
> 4) maintain safe separation and safe trajectory, and
> 5) communicate to enhance safety and stability.
The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They have already weaponized the skies when Space Force was announced under the guise of protecting "space assets". Slowly they are putting more and more of their tech up there, most of will not be observing the "galaxies" but surveilling us.

>>15474326
>Europe wants one
lol

>>15474341
>long article

>>15474341
The hilarity of the whole SPCE spac is so far out reaching. People thought SPCE was SpaceX because of similarity in SpaceX/SPCE, thus the whole stock frenzy trading. The same with other spacs with similar closeness to Elon's other companies. Nikola (Tesla) lmao. Lucid (EV Tesla).

>>15474373
the point being, I can't be bothered to post snippets of it in multiple posts

>>15474326
>the US military is doing something I think
It's just a dedicated subset of starlink

>>15474374
yep, like was posted in the previous thread

https://www.wsj.com/articles/company-insiders-made-billions-before-spac-bust-4607a869?st=k43yziicnxmuqqj

>>15474344
>But “can” alone does not imply “ought.”
I HATE ETHICISTS
I HATE ETHICISTS
I HATE ETHICISTS

>>15474390
that is starshield, but there was something else as well

If theres a will, theres a way.

>>15474309
> The Americans did it
> Best Korea would literally be in the outer solar system right now were it not for those meddling burgers

Is it possible for commercial lunar landings to be profitable?

https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1663971922621898752

Everyone over at NSF is moving into actual engineering jobs in the space industry. No wonder all the recent faces are unfamiliar.

>>15474461
you mean purely commercial? Maybe, not really much of a business case yet but I guess one use case would be the support of research bases that are then paid for by Unis and other institutions (something like ground telescopes are now)

>>15474476
the rats are fleeing the sinking ship

Thread by the Ring Watchers on weird parts that are probably for a mockup Starship HLS.
>https://twitter.com/ringwatchers/status/1663981180595650560?s=46&t=xAsrM6PdqaaSrVGsirvwQA

Nothing ever happens

>>15474476
>>15474528
NASA is a fraud, much like this general and the glowniggers who perpetuate it.

>>15474461
sure, just get some space agency to pay for you to put their astronauts and flag there. It'll wear out after a few times but you'll hopefully have made serious money by then.

>>15474335
now u have to post space cute 1-18 too

>>15474335
>tfw u will never play doctor in space

>>15474307
I don't know if this fuel is capable of enough work to achieve orbit

First for actual 0g multidimensional chess

>>15474579
I could, but don't want to get a spam warning.

>>15474550
>Flat earthers when they find out about Foucault pendulum

>>15474655
don't interact, he gets off on it.

>>15474655
Never post here again you french pig.

Vast

https://www.youtube.com/live/8dYoJEat57U
in case you missed it

Dragon, SpaceX, cum check?

>>15474735
Based VAST poster

I met my third cousin today. she's cute and asked to hold my hand on the ferris wheel. idk what to do bros

>>15474780
Throw her from the top

merge nasa planetary sciences into noaa

Terran R will cost $55 Million according to Jefferies analysts

https://twitter.com/toughsf/status/1664022357114077184?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>15474789
It's not like this is an actual question, though. If SpaceX starts losing customers, they will lower their prices.

>>15474786
but she's so adorable :(

>>15474780
Third cousin isn't incest btw and has the highest probably of fertility and healthy children

>>15474801
what's your definition of third cousin

why is mars usually depicted as the bad guys in scifi media and earth the good guys?

>>15474791
Why would SpaceX reduce price for F9? Competition will have to be lower than 50M to even compete against F9 due to increase in insurance cost for competition. F9 is the safest rocket to date in history.

>>15474819
Our society is run by e*rthers thats why

>>15474849
If they start losing customers to a cost advantage that makes a bigger difference than the revenue drop, they will lower their prices, simple as.

the norks have a kino launch site

>>15474871
fucking cute fucking cute FUCKING CUTE AAAAAAAA

>>15474854
No, by the time "competition" comes Starship will be flying for cheaper/faster/safer/etc

>>15474877
If Falcon 9 is still booking payloads by the time Terran R is flying, the Starship question is mooted. If Starship is flying by then and Falcon 9 is not booking launches without customer insistence, the Falcon 9 question is mooted. In the scenario where the Starship launch question is not satisfactorily answered, Falcon 9 will lower prices.

>>15474870
Kino. Juche wins again

>>15474885
Aside from the part where the second stage apparently exploded a little less than 11 seconds into the flight.

>>15474461
Only after you set up a manufacturing base there to take advantage of the miniscule launch costs.

>>15474789
Just dividing their stated contract value by number of launches, it was clear it would be in the ballpark of $60M. Still, makes Neutron look silly selling at the same price.

>>15474870
the fuck's that rocket though

>>15474476
At this point, the face of NSF is that hispanic guy who's only been around like a few months

>>15474894
>the fuck's that rocket though
Some sort of vehicle burning hypergolic propellants, likely in all three stages. Booster looks like it's new. Upper stages might be heritage or new, not sure either way.

>>15474880
Falcon 9 will continue to book NASA/military payloads. Everyone else will switch to Starship. F9 is a legacy program to SpaceX. Its in the process of being phased out/retired soon as Starship comes online.

>>15474897
You mean that tranny from spain with the weird voice?

>>15474461
Sure. There just needs to be a profitable resource on the moon. For example whale oil. Then we can send whalers. and also build a theme park.

>>15474900
True. The willingness of customers to switch-over is probably being overestimated by a lot of people, though. Would you give up your spot on the most reliable launch vehicle around to fly on an unproven booster? Obviously not, so SpaceX is going to have to do some work to show that Starship is an acceptable alternative to Falcon 9. A lower price would help with that a bit, but there's good reason to be conservative about new launch vehicles on their first flights.

>>15474901
>implying I listen to any of them

>>15474335
Note how carefully they contain his raging spaceboner.

>>15474905
>The willingness of customers to switch-over is probably being overestimated by a lot of people
Customers want the cheapest/safest/most accessible/trusted. If Starship is launching once every few weeks, they'll launch on Starship.

Not sure why its of any other question.

>Boeing faces 'emerging issues' ahead of Starliner capsule's 1st crewed flight in July
>teams will replace a bypass valve in the system that helps cool Starliner's avionics
>a certain kind of tape used to protect some of Starliner's wires poses a flammability risk
https://www.space.com/boeing-starliner-crew-flight-test-flight-review-may-2023

>>15474908
There's a chance that some companies want to avoid SpaceX for non-economic reasons. Like competition for Starlink or political as DEI/ESG scores or anti-Musketeer bands, but thats another matter

https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1664014211956236288

Full interview with Elon

>>15474908
>Not sure why its of any other question.
The other question is "if."

>>15474917
Shut up nigger theres guaranteed NOTHING about SpaceX which means YOURE OFF TOPIC

>>15474915
beginning to think the space shuttle wasn't a death trap because of any inherent design flaw but because it was built by boeing
who fucks up a capsule? the vatniks and chinks both managed just fine, muh
>ONE SOIYOOZ
notwithstanding

could you imagine if boeing was contracted for orion instead of locksneed?

I love space!

>>15474908
When starship ends up being cheaper than f9 pound for pound but not 10 times cheaper, it will still make sense to use f9. If your payload fits on f9 and can’t be rideshared for whatever reason, it will go up on f9. Because 67 million dollars at 1,200 a pound is still less than 165 million dollars at 500 a pound.

>>15474930
you just posted disinformation

>>15474931
Starship will be cheaper at flat rate than F9 at flat rate. I think you're confusing this. Starship will OBVIOUSLY be cheaper pound for pound.

>>15474931
>local anon forgets about rideshare
did you also forget one is fully reusable while the other isnt?

>>15474936
I’m not a delusional anti musk tranny, but I’m also not going to take musks pr numbers at face value either. Starship is designed for cheaper production, and faster and cheaper reuse. Raptors are cheaper than merlins, steel is cheaper than whatever composite f9 is made of. I get that. But it’s also so much more rocket. It needs more fuel. More ground infrastructure. Larger teams. Obviously it’s going to be cheaper. But it’s not going to be cheaper than f9
>>15474950
Did I? I think I deliberately mentioned rideshare. National defense sats cant just go up with any other random sat. Maybe you have a payload that fits neatly in f9s fairing but would be tricky to stack into starship along with anything more than a dozen cube sats.

New pic of Chollima-1 the new Nork rocket

>>15474963
Lets say we take a conservative case of Starship being sold at $400 / kg. Thats 6.25X cheaper than Falcon 9's $2500/kg. 100 T of Starship / 20 Ton of F9 = 5X. Even at conservative case, you'd still end up with Starship being cheaper than Falcon 9 on flat rate. We're not even talking about $20/kg that Musk talks about. $400 is 20X SpaceX's goal and still, Starship is cheaper than Falcon 9 at full flat rate.

>>15474819
You're consuming Earthnoid propaganda

https://quillette.com/2023/05/30/a-declaration-of-decadence/

Zubrin on anti-Humanist view of the woke anti-human in space ideology

>>15474780
marry her. I wish I could hold hands with my cousin.

>>15474915
Boeing and valves, name a better combination

https://twitter.com/ezekieloverstr1/status/1664030032879144963?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>15475000
>muh zoob
a 71 year old boomer who thinks life is much better now than when he was a boy.
gen-x sees life differently.

>>15475032
wires covered with flammable tape

>>15474963
>Larger teams
I don't see why it would

>>15475045
what was NASA thinking, honestly? Didn’t the russians attempt to warn america about this very problem?

>>15475032
North American and wrenches

>>15474655
>theres
I saw one of these at the telescope in LA and it was trippy. Flat earthers would have no way to refute this if they knew about it.

>>15474780
Both Einstein and Darwin married their cousins, must be something to it

Is there anything to look forward in space exploration this year? Starship launched and there is no date for the next try. JUICE already launched and the other missions to be launched this year I can remember aren't as cool as it.

>>15474780
>>15475071
Cousin marriage will be legal on Mars.

https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1664083135808561152

N1

>>15475078
I doubt it. Space colonies will start with such limited gene-pools that cousinbumping will be discouraged harshly. Likely by exile since, again, the genes are needed elsewhere.
Homosexuality will have to be tolerated on account so many people in space will be misfits, looking at poorly-socialised Moslems in particular. There will be many many closeted Abduls out there. They'll just be sperm- and egg-donors for other couples but otherwise will be allowed to ass blast each other.

>>15475078
>>15475092
Shut the fuck up youre both faggots

New $46M fusion funding round from DoE. Notably for spaceflight, sheared-flow stabilized Z-pinch is getting funding.

https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-announces-46-million-commercial-fusion-energy-development
https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1664092401022144512

>>15475101
>New $46m fusion
Stopped reading there. Stop shilling memetechs, fusion wont work in our lifetimes for ANYTHING other than sucking up funding

>>15475101
Hopefully the money for at least some of these guys will pay off.

>>15475103
>>>/x/
>>>/lgbt/
>>>/y/
>>>/cm/
>>>/hm/
>>>/trash/

>>15475078
Space colonies will be formed by all female crews bringing a sperm bank with the ship

>>15475095
you're giving up your butt first on those long Hohmann-transfers.
three things are sure: rum, sodomy, and the lash - and there's not much room in cramped-quarters to swing a lash, and the rum just ran out, honey

>>15475106
You are a nigger to say the least. You will be thrown under OFT-2

>>15475108
No they won't. Single moms can't raise kids properly.

>>15475110
Why is this general filled with nigger faggots??

>>15475117
space colony kids will initially be raised collectively

>>15475095
>>15475110
>everyone who gets selected to be a colonist is pretty much guaranteed to be an MIT tier genius
>everyone who gets selected is pretty much guaranteed to be an ultra-fit gigachad/gigastacy

It'd probably be like the olympic village where everybody is just fucking everyone and there are condoms everywhere.

>>15475121
statistically speaking that's not any more likely to produce well adjusted kids if the collective is all women

>>15475108
just ponder the aroma

>>15474894
>>15474978
now THIS is a proper launchpad
not what ever abortion that is at texas

>>15474780
>wincest on a spinning object
living the /sfg/ dream

>>15474929
The Shuttle was actually built by Rockwell. It ended up at Boeing, but that didn't happen until 1996 when the buyout era was in full swing.

>starship wont be ready until minimum december
>mfw

>>15475092
First cousins are the ideal genetic spacing for reproductive fitness. It will be mandatory in space.

Why is there one samefag obsessing over fucking his cousin here?

>the north korean rocket is powered by two rd-250s putting it on par with falcon 1
hmm

>>15475250
>Source:
>It came to you in a dream

>all these dudes at NSF quietly leaving at the same time
It's so clear that someone bought out the company and the channel.

>>15475293
My source is Erik Burger

>>15475138
Such people already have every opportunity on Earth and little reason to leave.
No, the initial wave of colonists will be mainly autists, incels, and ne'er-do-wells, overseen by a highly trained group of company men.

>>15475306
Link or the source is your ass.

>>15475314
I would not mind being an indentured servant on Mars. This must be what the first American colonists felt like before leaving indebted to the captains.

>>15475297
Who might have bought them? Disney? Bezos? Biden?

>>15475315
Anon....

>>15475316
We should ban poor people from space to protect them from indentured slavery. The poors should blue be allowed anywhere near Elon because rich will enslave them

>>15475317
There is some big space media group that's been setting up in Brownsville. I remember reading about them last year in some article bitching about SpaceX redlining all the poors in the area.

>>15475333
What do you define as poor? Melanated skin? African descent? Or youre on food stamps

>>15475138
>condoms everywhere.
For a healthy colony these will be banned as well as any other form of contraceptive

>>15475335
Spacex literally cannot make things worse for that area, it is the poorest area in the entire United States and among the most dangerous. Rental rates and property values are a problem across the whole country, I honestly think an influx of wealthier residents with money to burn will put more money in, but it could end up as the San Fransisco of Texas

>>15475340
Yeah man random pregnancies in a confined space with tight resource restrictions and limited medical facilities is a great idea.

>>15475340
And there will be points system for each dome, and the dome as a whole will gain points for every birth, and lose points for every time a woman fails to get pregnant in an ovulation cycle.
At the end of the year the dome with the most points wins the Mars Cup.
It might not seem like much, but a little entertainment goes a long way on the frontier.

>>15475345
>confined space
Make the space bigger. There's no land tax on Mars and no reason not to expand.
>tight resource restrictions
The resources on Mars are free, you can just take them
>limited medical facilities
Medical students who would otherwise be working long hours for little pay Earthside will be well rewarded for a tour of duty on Mars

>>15475347
Ah okay we’re talking about an imaginary scenario at least 40 years in the future where we can just handwave anything and jerk ourselves off, sorry. In that case the women will have three tits and the men will have genetically engineered super cocks, as will the women

>>15475347
>no land tax on Mars
>resources on Mars are free
You're forgetting about the secret clause of the Artemis accord - all space belongs to the United States and you will definitely have to pay tax

>>15475348
>imaginary scenario at least 40 years in the future
Yes, that is indeed the place where a major Mars colony will exist. 40 years in the future. That isn't very long you realize. 40 years ago was 1990.

>>15474309
Zoom in on the dome of the propellant tank. Looks like an odd patchwork of different shaped pieces welded together. The ribbing in the tube looks pretty good but the tank looks like a high school shop project. Check the tank vent just running out the side.

Is designing and launching a rocket a product of engineering or science?

>>15475349
no taxation without representation!
Fuck the accords!
Mars freedom now!

>>15475367
The discovery of the principles upon which rockets rely is the result of science. The application of those principles to design, manufacture, and operate a working rocket is engineering.

>>15475348
>women with 3 tits
threadly reminder that total recall (it occurred to me in a dream) is the best movie that has ever or will ever be made

>>15475400
Then it's engineering. If you took science out of the equation, you would still be able to figure out how to launch a rocket successfully. It's the same as how Romans could accomplish complicated feats of engineering without knowing why it worked, or the math that underpinned them.

>>15475401
Verhoeven is a genius, it took a retarded yuropoor to truly understand the culture and mind of the American

>>15475351
Are you retarded?

>>15475418
>uhm sir actually 1990 is (or rather was) 33 years ago
Not the point

>>15474617
Enough fuel to yeet it into the Atlantic fa.m

>>15475420
dont make me 7 years older just because you cant into counting

>>15474344
Kill ethicists. Behead ethicists. Roundhouse kick a ethicist into the concrete. Slam dunk a ethicist baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy philosophers. Defecate in a ethicists food. Launch ethicists into the sun. Stir fry ethicists in a wok. Toss ethicists into active volcanoes...

Nobody will listen to space 'ethicists' because there is no life to protect, no climate to preserve, no moral dilema either. The only thing there even is to consider is Earth orbits, and who the fuck wants to sit around on Earth when talking about space? These mouthpieces will have no influence over SpaceX once they have solidified political control over their launch sites. If it doesnt work out in Boca Chica, just bribe Kenya, Indonesia, China (literally already friendly with Elon because of Tesla), any of those micronesian island nations, South America/Guiana, etc. the options are basically endless, they could also just construct their own island on the open seas and have no laws! Heed these words, "where there's a will, there will always be a way." We will escape this dirtball and be free of the filthy mongrels around us, the methods of getting there hardly matter.

>>15474963
>It needs more fuel.
Fuel is free for rocket launches, though. Like, neither of them spend even a million in fuel (starship currently might, because they have to truck it. In KSC it's going to cost commercial rates.)
>More ground infrastructure.
This is entirely a matter of number of launches. Not to mention that that if there's less movement of the rocket there's less cost. Starship is made onsite, while F9 needs to be trucked as an oversized load across the country, for example.
>Larger teams.
Same as before. Being larger doesn't mean it needs more man-hours put into it.
>>15475000
>Ethicist spouting anti-space rhetoric
>rubenstein
KILL ETHICISTS. BEHEAD ETHICISTS...

>>15475044
I have the cure for your disorder

>>15475345
it's inevitable you communist faggot

>>15475451
why can't they just RTLS a Falcon 9 from vandenberg to florida
>>15475454
>GUN poster returns
/sfg/ is healing

>>15475454
Kys

>>15475351
>major Mars colony

>>15475486
forced meme

TWO.
MORE.
WEEKS.

>>15475345
Birth control is why we have extinction tier birth rates. Birth control is why we have such an emotionally driven gynocentric consumerist roastie society. Human reproduction in numbers is not a reason thing, it's an animal thing. If something like birth control was introduced to animals, it would've been considered a poison and an extinction threat. Same with humans.
A society where birth control is unavailable will not stay the same. Not only the birth rate will heal, but the fact that sex has now consequences will force the society to reorganize where pregnancies are not so random anymore. It will necessarily become more trad, as much as I hate that word.

Also a colony with the aim of making human species multiplanetary is going to be all about increasing the population. They will want to make their own people instead of shuttling them in, and it's the eventual goal to become sustainable anyways. Such a colony would have figured how to use the resources to expand, so then they will be all about direct scaling upwards. More people will only bring more resources and be a net positive until the whole planet is colonized.

>>15475514
>Birth control is why we have extinction tier birth rates.
>Birth control is why we have such an emotionally driven gynocentric consumerist roastie society
>If something like birth control was introduced to animals, it would've been considered a poison and an extinction threat
>>>/pol/

What's the status of the OLM? Still fucked?

>>15475542
It's mostly complete, they finished driving the pilons and such - so supposedly they will be finished by the 15th

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOxZXhCi3gk

>>15475533

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ikpn_cQFLA

Next launch, without heavy debris flying up the rocket's ass, will be glorious.

>>15475542
they are still reinforcing the base with concrete pilings
in this pic they are building the rebar cage that will be lowered into an augered shaft and then filled with concrete

the drill/auger

>>15475557
actually I think this is not at the OLM? maybe using the same method to reinforce the new buildings too idk
anyway, pic unrelated

>>15475351

>>15475556
/sci/ is packed to the gills with worthless zoomer undergrad pseuds who get kicks out of looking down their noses at the chads doing that work
>they're just construction workers
>i bet none of them have ever even published a paper in muh replication crisis journal
meanwhile the chad gang is physically constructing the infrastructure needed for space travel

https://twitter.com/Starlink/status/1663915119087087618

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1664187538330775552

>>15475627
They won't be allowed to colonize Mars.
That will be reserved for highly qualified people like myself.

>>15475627
If only that were true...
The only people /sci/ is filled with are retards and schizos

>>15475643
Imagine shitposting from some extremely secluded place like Palmyra Atoll.

>>15475651
If you really want to have 1 million people on mars then I'm pretty sure you are going to have to take people that aren't engineers/scientists/medical doctors and so on.and on the other hand, depending on how much humanoid robots like tesla optimus advance before actual colonization begins (and even then at least somewhat), you would need to have tradespeople and technicians
in the beginning there will be astronaut type people with masters level knowledge in multiple fields or whatever, but lets say you have a colony of 1000 people or whatever, you are going to have to have maintanance people and so on and even if those have a bunch of humanoid helper robots with them to multiply the productivity, how many engineers are you going to have that want to go to mars to do purely maintenance?
At the beginning sure, but taking into account its going to be dangerous and hard work even going there in the first place its going to decrease the pool of willing participants

https://twitter.com/wintonARK/status/1664156014692925440

Any of you guys play KSP? If so, post cool stuff.

>>15475721
No, it's literally going to be me and my sexbots.

>>15475765
>fries you're waifu's brains

>>15475769
EMPs only happen when there's a magnetosphere to get batted around and Mars doesn't have one

>>15475765
>>15475769
fuck off faggot

https://youtu.be/lMhheDWThxE

>>15475627
>>15475721
>>15475651
The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive and neither are you science™ golems.

>>15475759

>>15475759
>>15475803

It would be pretty cool if they added 'ignition sequence start' to the Booster/Starship countdown.

>>15475599
>this is what the sts took from you

>>15475824
anon, I doubt that a functional african space program was ever possible. Exception is if OTRAG succeeded.

>>15475829
>african space program
This is from old commie propaganda.

>>15475829
in the timeline where saturn was mass produced through the 70s and 80s and no one had ever thought about an orange tank or its contents, south africa never voted anc and later joined the us.

Daily reminder this is why NASA is light years ahead of every space program.

>>15475842
>celebrate and share their stories
>turns off comments
Then why make the post in the first place, Nasa? Why feed the trolls?

>>15475842
>so obviously true that we have to censor the replies

>>15475842
I respect ISRO more than NASA.
NASA launders money, ISRO, JAXA, KARI actually get to orbit on a semi-reasonable budget.

>>15475842
Why would diversity=strength, I feel like everyone says it all the time but never explains it. Me and the two or three similar looking people who I know well could probably get a job done faster and more efficient than if I had to do it with a diverse group of strangers.

>>15475852
None of them do anything since outer space is a complete fraud much like this general.

>>15475863
their answer to this is to call you a fascist bigot and call your employer. But this is getting off topic.
Do you think CSS visits this general?

>>15475882
will these people ever shut up?
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/12quy3q/starship_is_a_fucking_death_trap_that_nobody/

>>15475887
>simple and dumb parachutes
opinion discarded

>>15475889
wasn't the hardest part of dragon getting the chutes working properly? retro landing would have been easier but nasa forbid it.

>>15474296
Nice photo OP. What happened to the last thread and did we stage at page 10?

>>15475863
if you challenge that idea you're a dangerous bigot and your bank account should be frozen honestly.

>>15475882
>>15475887
Earth is a crab bucket, whether it's these teslaQ schizos, environmentalists, flatties, commies etcetera, they're all earthers, and they put in an absurd amount of effort to make everyone just as miserable and hopeless as they are, just as stuck in this hole. When someone like Musk comes along and shows that great things can be done, they get absolutely rabid trying to tear him down.

Discuss

>>15475901
Did it draw another penis?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgqZMK22LEk

Everyday Astronauts 30min Starship vs N1 video just dropped

>>15475898
Good thing I stopped banking in 2020, anticipating this very thing.

>>15475901
I'm guessing that's mars in summer, northern hemisphere.

>>15475910
> Has SpaceX fallen into a similarly flawed design that plagued the N1? Why did they choose so many engines? Will it continue to suffer a similar fate over and over like the N1 or is there something inherently different?

>Today we’ll answer those questions and compare the two most powerful rockets ever made, from different sides of the world and from completely different eras to figure out how they’re similar and perhaps more importantly, how they’re different.

CSS bros...
space elevators are just regular elevators right?

>>15475915
cant' see shit man

>>15475915
Just call him a cumslurper, get blocked and enjoy the peace and quiet.

>>15475916
If you can't read the text after expanding the picture, you should probably get your eyes tested anon.

>>15475916
>>15475919
essentially CSS believes that space elevators are impossible because he googled the maximum length of a regular elevator cable.

>>15475911
how do you pay for shit now?

a space elevator WILL make SpaceX obsolete

>>15475931
A space elevator is not coming in this century.

what if we made a 100 km tall tower, and then build the elevator on top of that, would it help?

>>15475935

>>15475863
It's objectively not. Every study on the issue has shown that increased racial/ethnic diversity lowers trust and increases bad outcomes. The only reason you would push it is if you hated the majority population and wanted to destroy it.

>>15475939
honestly you don't have to be a genius to figure that one out.

>>15475942
You just need to be autistic or self-driven enough to not immediately shut down in the face of emotional manipulation about it.

>>15475942
Yuros have truly cucked themselves, they can't build new shit and get outcompeted by the US all the time, and instead of adapting, they just try to fine and regulate their way to success.

>>15475919
I read it, but its almost unreadable
learn to take screenshots retard

>>15475930
Cash is king. If society goes cashless I'll just start stealing shit. I won't keep my money in computers.

>>15475863
Diversity can be beneficial when implemented well. Selective immigration of ambitious and high IQ foreigners is advantageous for host nations. Diversity of ideas and the freedom to speak them generally leads to more creativity and innovation. A diversity of governments through states' rights, where different states can implement different regulatory structures, leads to more experimentation and provides more compatibility for peoples with varying values.

Though ethnic diversity can also be negative as it generally lowers trust and solidarity, especially when there are significant differences in cultural values. Linguistic diversity inhibits communication and social coordination. Diversity of economic status increases resentment, while more equal income and wealth generally improves societal trust and lowers crime. Implementing quotas for disadvantaged groups reduces efficiency, while increasing resentment from those who would fairly merit positions.

That said, America has long been predicated on immigration, since we had a vast frontier and large demand for industrial labor. Those factors are less true these days, so mass migration doesn't make a lot of sense except for those who own capital, want to depress wages, and increase demand for housing leading to higher rents. Selective immigration still makes a lot of sense, such as with Asian engineers, Indian doctors, European scientists, etc. Such people generally get along quite well in the US, are net contributors to the fiscal budget, and commit very low rates of crime.

>>15475988
GPT post.

>>15475970
just use bitgoyn

>>15474898
>>15474894
https://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets/Specials/North-Korea/index.htm

>>15476014
Lol still calls StarShip BFR and thinks it will end up the same as N1. Maybe it is a good thing Estro just made that video...

>>15475933

How about a railgun system on the moon?

>>15476053
>railguns
how are you going to stop it from eating itself everytime you fire it?

>>15476053
This is how you gain lunar independence from Earth.

>>15475915
>space elevator
>elevator cables
What a retard

>>15475916
So that's what CSS stood for...

ITT: SpaceX stans desperately trying to defend space elevators because they can't let Skeptic chads win

How do outer solar system missions deal with the asteroid belt and trojans/greeks?
Do they just blindly hope it will be fine or is there enroute adjustments?

>>15476093
Chance in a million

>>15476082
space elevators are shit on earth, but to say that it couldn't be done because normal elevator cables have a max length is utter retardation, and deserves to be ridiculed.

>>15475842
Ah yes this is why and not Congress using their funds as a piggy bank

Why do people still use the "too many engines" argument against Starship? Falcon Heavy flew 6 times with no issues.
The real question is whether Raptor will ever be as reliable as Merlin

>>15476142
I remember a while ago Elon fired the guy in charge of raptor development, so I think that they have had some trouble with it. I'm coping with 'rocket engine development is hard', generally seems to hold up.

moorgs

>>15475842
The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. NASA is a complete fraud. Sciencegoys are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive.

https://discord.gg/annBq5VM
We've got a discord server full of space autists. It's a bit slow most of the time, but we've had some quality discussions. Come on by and check it out.

>>15474870
some autist already made a model of the nork launch site
https://twitter.com/ISNJH/status/1664221453837901824

>>15476185
>replying to it

>>15475922
only material that's viable are carbon nanotubes
and those are not viable to produce

>>15476215
nope, gay. botnet and/or spyware.

https://twitter.com/FelixSchlang/status/1664321319922548756

https://twitter.com/tzukran/status/1664137903335694339

>>15476229

>>15476215
Cool beans

>>15476232
China is so incredible strong

>>15476236
not for long
the kikes has them in their sights

>>15476238
Lmao no

>>15475988
Yeah I don't have any problems with high IQ immigrants coming to the US really. Usually theyre even the best representatives from their respective cultures and I legitimately feel enriched from experiencing an alternate mode of living and thinking with them as vectors. People need to realize selective immigration is good and keeps our collective epigene from turning into dysgenic sludge unlike mass immigration.

>>15476228
always rusty jank lol

>>15475651
Space industrial build up will be exceptionally blue collar work retard. If the giant flying water towers are not a hint to you with the stainless steel rockets then your giga brain firmly exist only in your imagination

>The Department of the Air Force selected Patrick Space Force Base, Florida, as the preferred location to host the Space Training and Readiness Command Headquarters
>STARCOM, one of three U.S. Space Force field commands, is responsible for the deliberate development, education, and training of space professionals in addition to the development of space warfighting doctrine, tactics, techniques, and procedures, and the operational test and evaluation of Space Force systems.
https://www.starcom.spaceforce.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3412209/department-of-the-air-force-announces-preferred-locations-for-starcom-hq-three/

>It’s disappointing that we are putting one of our three field commands in Florida. As a trans person, Florida isn’t friendly to me. If I go to the DMV in Florida, I am required by law to use the bathroom of my “biological sex”. That’s just one example of the draconian measures Florida has put into place recently.
>When we only have a handful of bases, putting more assignments at a base in a state that’s actively passing laws that will not only harm currently serving Guardians, but trans children of Guardians, seems like a bad idea.
https://old.reddit.com/r/SpaceForce/comments/13wzcel/department_of_the_air_force_announces_preferred/

>>15476269
just pee outside

>>15475863
>I feel like everyone says it all the time but never explains it.
because its not. What you are hearing is chanting of a religious ideological dogma. Born out of a particularly malicious and disfunctional academic cult.

In reality diversity always breeds disunion and infighting, weakening the whole. Rome began with romans marching in legions, ended with germanic mercenaries btfo the dysgenic roman nobles as they held all of the raw power (the military).

Diversity is not a strenght, it is a weakness and will always be as long as different types of human monkeys exist

https://twitter.com/geosat_sat/status/1664168372420894720

Satellite imagery

>>15476269
very nice find anon, entertaining.

>>15476249
they literally have them in their sights though

>>15476292
>repeating baseless claims

>>15476296
anon... the kike has the chink space station in his telescope sight
its a joke

>>15476275
is this OC? should be the image for the next stage.

>>15474963
>Obviously it’s going to be cheaper. But it’s not going to be cheaper than f9
dumb and gay, or dumb and gay but also trolingl?

gstanley0 chads, where are you at? https://youtu.be/yesni8HUEA4

>>15476302
nta
I don't get it.

>>15476302
Your mind is damaged

>>15475887
>You'll personally never go to mars~
Why do they think this means anything?
Most average people are never going to space period I guess that means humanity will never reach LEO?

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/01/pentagon-awards-spacex-with-ukraine-contract-for-starlink-satellite-internet.html

New iROSAs going up in CRS-28 Dragon trunk.

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-sets-coverage-for-next-spacex-resupply-launch-to-space-station-1

>>15476053
At 3g acceleration you'd need nearly 100km of track to reach escape velocity

>>15475108
>a sperm bank with the ship
yes, me.

>>15476319
i saw this earlier but still dont know what it means

>>15476366
Secret space program is what it means buddy boy

https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1664329871592681473

Chinese space station

>>15476388
Another quantum leap in spaceflight

>>15476366
it means that pentagon has started paying SpaceX for Ukraines use of the Starlink network instead of SpacX donating it away, like they did at some point
I think EU is paying a bit too, Ukraine is paying themselves as well and I think some ukrainians paid personally or through donations

>>15476405
so starlink is a legitimate military target now? thank fuck. lets get some missiles shooting them down so we can get more investment into space.

>>15476425
>so starlink is a legitimate military target now?
It always was, the Russians have been trying to jam or laser it for over a year unsuccessfully and they're too pussy to ASAT one of the companies responsible for returning cosmonauts to Earth.

>>15476269
The Space Force is a fraud. Part of the larger globohomo Awakening psyop.

>>15476450
....what?

>>15476469
ignore it and ideally report it

who are all these retards? Besides Hullo of course.

>>15476472
trash list

the only good youtube personality is that british guy who made a three and a half hour autismfest on v2 turbopumps.

Hot staging coming to a Starship near you.

https://twitter.com/TDSN19/status/1664305744676519938

>>15476492
Simplifies shit. Not sure it's all that great for reuse though.

>>15476492

>>15476492
Embarrassing

>>15476492
quatrupling down on N1

>>15476492
*les

>>15476492
i dont understand
>>15476500
>>15476502
>>15476508
>>15476511

whats the problem here

>>15476518
if you ever reply to me again i'll destroy you

>>15476522
(Toi)

>>15476518
Nothing, it is a great solution for post launch aborts. You just don't normally see hot staging anymore.

>>15476527

>>15476518
nothing its retards imagining ss will stage by decoupling and firing the engines directly on top of the booster rather than implementing a launch escape system

>>15476492
Neat

>>15476262
>Yeah I don't have any problems with high IQ immigrants
The only problem with this is the return to the mean. Unless that immigrant has a family history of being exceptional then his children will end up being street shitters like the rest of them. Then there's the problem of outbreeding depression. Despite himself having high IQ and his children as well his grandchildren will mix with the general population and will have a high likelihood of producing lower value children. Unless there is some form of segregation within the host country for his immigrant kin then it will be a detriment long term

>>15476472
>cost plus content (/sfg/ native)
>hullo
>eager space
>angry astronaut
>labpadre
>RGV
>everyday astronaut
>marcus house
>NSF
>videofromspace
>curious droid
>primal space
>csi starbase
>What About It?

>>15476366
>amazon logo on what looks to be a starlink receiver
Why?

>>15476543
more like starlink just got it's whole lumch eaten by jeff bezos with 1 image

>>15476543
it's amazons bootleg starlink.
They want to use their tried and true strategy of entering a new market, offering a lower price alternative to the incumbent market leader and absorbing the losses till their competitor goes out of business so they can be bought up.

>>15476543
sir that is a patent pending first of its kind Amazon Kuffar ⟨™⟩ constellation satellite dish for direct streaming of all you favorite Prime content directly to your pod conveniently located below your local fulfilment centre.

>>15476546
In summary: It's Jeff's revenge plan.

>>15476542
I didn't see this. Thanks fren.

guys....moonfall is fucking kino
WHY HAVE YOU KEPT THIS FROM ME

>>15476518
starship turns on its engines before separation

https://www.youtube.com/live/RlFn892gmVE
this is huge

>>15476566
Is this self advertising or clearnigger shit?

>>15476566
Do they have a patreon I can donate to?

Whats a realistic date for artemis III?

>>15476589
2026-2027

>>15476566
she's so cute it defies belief

>>15476589
i think NET 2027 based on what other people have been saying and how alot of stuff isnt finalized or even in testing yet like hls and the space suits

>>15476589
according to tom mueller, 2029

clear(ly a man)

>>15476566
こんばっしょん~

>>15476589
2027

Whats a realistic date for Starship II?

AAHHHHHH IM UNDUUUULAAATTTIING

>>15476617
n o w

BREAKING:
>Starliner delayed again.
>Boeing has found two new issues via the latest review.
>1) Parachute System - soft links (made of fabric) load limit data wasn't correct and restest showed failure at a loading point.
>2) Wire harnesses covered in tape. The tape is now determined to be flammable.
>Boeing is standing down the preps for the CFT mission.
ITS OVER!!
https://twitter.com/nasaspaceflight/status/1664377812684357633?s=46&t=xAsrM6PdqaaSrVGsirvwQA

>>15476623

>>15476623
>tape on a literal reentry vehicle
KEEEEEEEK

>>15476623
NSF forgot to mention that they STILL have valve problems.

>>15476623

>the city of boeing

>>15476629
I love my wife!

>>15476623
Boeingbros, what happened?

it hurts to live, pls kill me

>>15476623
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1664378411261784067

Absolute dumpster fire.

>parachute system needs retesting
>tape is flammable
>battery system with fire hazard issues
>another valve failure

Oldspace rules

>>15476638
>One of the issues concerns the line from the vehicle to the parachutes. It was found to have a lower failure load limit, which decreased the safety factor "pretty significantly."
oof

>>15476643
from these picture it doesn't seem like there's really anything wrong with it.

>>15476645
do you want to buy my 25 year old car, at a glance it looks great!

didn't know chutes are that hard

>>15476633
in order?
>jeetcode
>humidity
>parachutes (remember when only two deployed?)
>expanding battery damaging structural integrity (is starliner actually made in china for cheap?)
>parachutes again (too weak this time)
>tape used, turns out it's flammable
>valves again (maybe humidity had nothing to do with it)

we could really use an alternative to dragon. maybe virgin orbit should've invested in dreamchaser instead of a failed rocket.

>>15476650
starship

>>15476651
an alternative that doesn't depend on SpaceX

Is there any downside to hot staging?
Always seemed like the most elegant solution.
Will the booster get blasted?

>>15476651
>starship
NEVER getting crew rated muskrat

>>15476649
>>humidity
Unexpected humidity!

>>15476623
Cool, I can't wait for CSS and athletefoot to debunk Starliner and Boeing, surely they are preparing the videos as we speak.

When is Victus Nox going to happen?

>>15476661
the crabs can recognize who is and who isn't close to getting out of the barrel, they'll save their energy for spacex.

Starliners fucked again
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1664376746639065089

Does anyone have the Starliner webm?

B-BUT HE SMOKED POT!!

>>15476661
>Thundercuck going after anyone but Elon
lol. hate that retard.

>>15476676
He deboonked spinlaunch as well. That basically confirmed to me that they are legit.

In other news...
Dreamchaser powered on yesterday.

If Starliner gets delayed, that means Vulcan will be ready without a payload. Wtf will they do, move Dreamchaser up?

>>15476679
spinlaunch will send a man to orbit.
Bet.

>>15476683
Starliner isn't launching on Vulcan

>>15476653
you make the stage getting blasted a lot heavier and/or make it disposable. There's also some questionable interactions of firing an engine so close to something possibly disrupting the flow.

>>15476679
>>15476694
spinlaunch is bullshit you brain dead nignog

>>15476710
>t. Thundercuck

>>15476710
You just fear the power of the spin, have fun barely reaching LEO with your primitive rockets.

>>15476705
Yes it is, the second Vulcan rocket is booked for SNC Demo-1 in December which will be the first flight of dreamchaser, the first was supposed to be starliner

Current state of /sfg/ makes me wish you'd go back to spamming Arca bullshit.

>>15476729
This is what no Starship does to an autist

>>15476729

>>15476492
>more launch escape system than hot staging
so they would only use this if they have to, not every time (or that is what this dude is speculating)

>>15476537
> Unless there is strong selective pressure, outbreeding depression can increase in further generations as coadapted gene complexes are broken apart without the forging of new coadapted gene complexes to take their place.
haven't really thought about that before, but on the face of it this makes all permanent immigration kind of useless? at least from a population genetic fitness standpoint
but on the other hand, wouldn't the resulting fitness depend on the exact circumstances? How far apart is the immigrant from the host countries genetics, how much would the depression be (is it still better than the mean of the original population or not, I could see cases where it would easily be even if the total fitness is depressed somewhat)
and lately in human societies, the most important trait is intelligence (among other things), if there is only one important trait that has been selected for in both the host country and the immigrants country, then even if the offspring has genes that result in traits that aren't perhaps optimal for the host countrys environment previously (lets say difference of diet, light, diseases whatever), in modern countries that shit just doesn't matter much anymore, its mostly about IQ

>>15476623
how delayed is this now again? like 7 years? lmao

>>15476645
The pad abort tests should clear things up.
(check out my 1000 hours in ffmpeg btw)

>>15476778
>left
shit quality camera, shit tracking system
>right
modern quality camera, stabalizers and good tracking system

>>15476787
did you not notice the giant clouds of orange cancer?
The terrible and inelegant stage separation, the lack of a third parachute?

>>15476767
>(or that is what this dude is speculating)
we don't know dick about it. we don't know if that's where it mounts, or even if it does mount. for all we know it could be a jig or something

>>15476492
Carcinisation for rocket is just becoming like the N1

>>15476639
Atlas V-Starliner is ugly and gay and looks like a penis
However…
Atlas V is sexy
And Starliner is sexy

>>15476787
here it is stabilized, it still looks like shit, look at the wobble on the way down.

how did they fuck this up? isn't retractable landing gear a solved issue? every aircraft company builds these things perfectly reliably all the time. is snc just retarded?

See all these delays? Reminder they will be doubled when Starliner will have to move to Vulcan

>>15476623
Weren't they rushing to get this thing off the ground next month? Embarrassing

Today has been a good reminder that literally only SpaceX is competent in the spacelaunch industry. My bets are on VAST to take that crown in the space station industry, but only time will tell.

>>15476812
>I like the idea, so they will succeed
anon, long ago, before I heard about spacex, I was a spaceplane fan, and I put all my hopes in sierra nevada. Don't be like me.

>>15476623
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/06/boeing-stands-down-from-starliner-launch-to-address-recently-found-problems/

> Mark Nappi, vice president and program manager for Starliner, said two spacecraft problems were discovered before Memorial Day weekend and that the company spent the holiday investigating them. After internal discussions that included Boeing chief executive Dave Calhoun, the company decided to delay the test flight that would carry NASA astronauts Suni Williams and Butch Wilmore to the International Space Station.

> The issues seem rather serious to have been discovered weeks before Starliner was due to launch on an Atlas V rocket. The first involves "soft links" in the lines that run from Starliner to its parachutes. Boeing discovered that these were not as strong as previously believed.

> The second issue involves P-213 glass cloth tape that is wrapped around wiring harnesses throughout the vehicle. These cables run everywhere, and Nappi said there are hundreds of feet of these wiring harnesses. The tape is intended to protect the wiring from nicks. However, during recent tests, it was discovered that under certain circumstances possible in flight, this tape is flammable.

> In 2014 NASA chose two providers, Boeing and SpaceX, to develop crew transport systems for its astronauts to travel to the space station. SpaceX completed its first human flight in 2020 and has since flown nine additional crewed missions. Boeing has flown two uncrewed test flights of Starliner to date and aimed to complete its demonstration flight with astronauts this summer.

>cancelling starliner not being seriously discussed
bros... he's not ruling it out...