/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15472354
Do you want to tell us, that you didn't have those nightmares before you started smoking weed? Did you forget? You always had that shit, and weed gave you some peace of mind. But you still a nigger for turning a sacred plant into an addiction, you should never smoke HUGE ammounts of it. A couple of tokes should suffice.

>>15472354
>Also, is there any supplement or scientific evidence that supports any remedies for this? I will not go back to smoking weed, so that is not an option.

Sleep paralysis is paranormal, you are not going to get an explanation here because sleep paralysis "demons" are all the same, simply put everyone sees the same shit which means they are not illusions, the scientific explanation is that one of your brain hemispheres is awake while the other is asleep, this is were the platos cave analogy comes from, the world you see every day is filtered by the left brain hemisphere to show only "physical things", while the left brain can see "paranormal things".

Just buy a sleep mask and the methylation pathways downregulated by weed will normalize eventually.

>>15472354
Attempt Lucidity.
Practice mindfulness in your everyday life so you are more aware of sensation vs machination and more connected to your introspection than simply experiencing life.
Do occasional coherency checks and dream checks throughout the day and your dreaming mind will be more likely to think to do them to and you will be aware that something isn't right about the dream logic instead of panicking.

>>15472400
Pure bullshit.
People report demons, angels, light monsters, shadow monsters, goblins, fairies, birds, worms, snakes, spiders, insects, and all sorts of different things crawling on them during sleep paralysis.

>>15472354
>Could this be due to the fact that I stopped smoking abruptly, or is there a potential medical reason for these occurrences?
First: understand that you dream every night without fail. Every single night. Every time you enter REM. Thing is that you can only possibly remember your dreams if you wake up DURING REM sleep.

Cannabis inhibits REM sleep. When regularly using cannabis or smoking before sleep you spend more time in deep sleep and pre-sleep and less time in REM.

When you stop smoking you experience REM rebound. You spend much more time in REM than in the other phases of sleep and enter REM sooner, making it vastly more likely that you'll wake up during REM and thus remember your dreams.

"Sleep paralysis" is just a vivid dream while you're waking up, you're not actually awake in your bed you're dreaming that you're awake in your bed.

The reason you find sleep paralysis upsetting is because you attempt to fight it.
As for nightmares these can be avoided with lucid dreaming techniques. The most effective "dream check" I've found is to, at random times during the day, squeeze your nose shut and try to breathe through it. If you're dreaming you can breathe through a shut nose.

>>15472466
>The reason you find sleep paralysis upsetting is because you attempt to fight it.
What is the alternative, to just learn to live life paralyzed?
How do you not fight the fact that you are stuck and can't move?
What about the people who report thinking their house is on fire, they just accept that they will burn and go back to sleep?

>>15472489
>What is the alternative, to just learn to live life paralyzed?
The alternative is to recognize that you are in a state of sleep paralysis (ie a fucking dream), prevent yourself from panicking, and wait to either wake up or go back to full REM.
As someone that has dealt with sleep paralysis a good amount, it's just as possible to recognize the signs of it as it is to recognize being in a dream.
You're not actually awake and paralyzed during sleep paralysis.

>>15472413
Not to mention every type of alien.

>>15472496
Yes sometimes you are and it is a miswiring of the neurotransmitters like GABA and glycine that keep you from acting out your dreams, but they stay activated while your senses are also fully activated and you are somewhat aware of your environment, but unable to move, same with the misfirings that happen during NDEs.

It is possible to recognize the signs, but they are different signs because it is different than a dream.

>>15472508
>miswiring of neurotransmitters
lol wat

>sometimes you are (fully awake)
Arguable, experiences vary wildly, but if you're seeing shit like fire or demons then you're not fucking awake, you're dreaming that you're in your bed and seeing shit.
My personal sleep paralysis tends to come in the form of feeling as though I'm tangled in clothes or the sheets - movement is mostly impossible and if I succeed in feeling as though I've moved it quickly reverts/becomes undone.

>It is possible to recognize the signs but they're not the same as ones in a dream
Mostly correct but dream checks that work in dreams work during sleep paralysis, thing is they're a lot harder to do.

At any rate the advice I gave is sound and applies in dreams too: don't struggle, don't freak out, negative emotions and thoughts are a feedback loop in dreams. Being calm and lucid is the solution.

>>15472413
Hat man, old hag, grey alien, some of these things appear in cultures totally disconnected all around the world

>>15472516
>miswiring
I got it right the second time
>same with the misfirings that happen during NDEs.
>misfiring

>you're dreaming that you're in your bed and seeing shit.
You can be seeing your environment and also hallucinations in it.

>My personal sleep paralysis
I have very similar experience, but my first experiences happened on long bus rides for school with a bunch of other kids and I know there are announcements and kids horse-playing around that I could verify did happen, but every time I would get up, it would feel like the person next to me pulled me right back down and I would be right back where I was again or if I tried to turn my head I would just be looking forward again immediately even though that never happened, I never actually turned my head or got pulled down my eyes were just half open while I was in sleep paralysis.

>thing is they're a lot harder to do.
Yes because you are paralyzed, so you can't pinch your nose or just do the old pinch myself am I dreaming test.

I agree, but its still hard to not panic when you are paralyzed and any movement immediately gets undone and sometimes repeatedly doing it in a panicked way to force yourself awake actually does give some adrenaline or something and snap you out of it eventually, while waiting is just sitting there being paralyzed for who knows how long and I have sperged out from an apparent on a school bus enough times to know from experience.

>>15472377
>a sacred plant
>>>/x/ and stay thier.

>>15472556
I understand that it's hard not to fight it, but despite its difficulty that's OP's answer. There doesn't seem to be any reliable way of preventing nightmares or sleep paralysis, just coping strategies that primarily involve practicing lucidity.

>>15472563
Lucidity and Mindfulness works for dreams/nightmares, but not so much when you are paralyzed and the mind body connection is disrupted in my experience and I have brute forced my way out of it before although it has made it harder to stay asleep once I realize its a dream at times because my body more often defaults to waking to avoid that situation.

>>15472354
There's nothing that you can do about this alone. I would suggest that you pray to God. Better yet pray to the Virgin Mary, she is very good at issues like this. If you are in a sleep paralysis state you can say the name of Jesus Christ and the entities will vanish, if you are incapable of doing that, simply projecting loving feelings at them will work and I'll leave you to figure out why.
Whatever you do do, don't do what >>15472407
is suggesting.

>>15472354
Did you consume weed to escape reallity/certain ruminating thoughts/unpleasent experiences from past or present etc?
If so it might be that those are catching up with you. Every time you force something into darkness it bursts out even stringer.
•Take this with pinch of salt ofc. i have none evidance to prove so apart from personal experience.

>>15472659
>>15472648
Why are you even on /sci/ instead of /x/
What he's experiencing is REM rebound and it's an extremely common and predictable cannabis withdrawal symptom
Sleep paralysis is not magic.

>>15472676
To drain energy for buthurt "scientists" such as you

>>15472685
Also to add:
Explain us mr scientist why is he experiencing only nightmares durring this REM rebound while REM rebound is not strictly cause of nightmares?

>>15472695
Well Mr Pajeet if you look closely he doesn't actually say those are the only dreams he has, but even if that weren't the case it wouldn't be useful to assume the cause is "running from darkness"

>>15472701
Well Mr Scientist that changes nothing. The fact that you are clear example of parot effect still stands.

>>15472354
Smoke cbd

>>15472708
>The fact that my basic premise was wrong changes nothing!
lol
lmao

>>15472354
You're an addict suffering withdrawals.

>>15472773
Show where is it wrong.

>>15472809
>He's only having nightmares
>That's not what he said
>Th...that changes nothing!
>It's your base premise
>SHOW WHERE IT'S WRONG
You are retarded
Show bob and vagene.

>>15472829
My response was ment to show you that you proposing REM rebound solves nothing for there is more to the story you absolute bafoon.
>HEY MOOM MOOM LOOK I ANSWERED A QUESTION BY STATING VAGUE ANSWER

>>15472854
We all understand what it was ment (sic) to do, but your reasoning was clearly wrong, so it can't have the intended effect because its not based in reality, the fact that there is more doesn't change the facts we do have that are repeatably observable.

>>15472854
>>>/x/
>>>/his/

>>15472854
REM Rebound seem pretty specific, what is vague about it and how is anything in your post less vague than the specific REM Rebound explanation for unwanted dreams?

>>15472400
>pic
a nightfrog, I keked!
also checked

>>15472413
any Jungian school of thought interpretation of those?
hero myth symbology, great father/mother, etc

>>15472466
it does not "inhibit" REM sleep, but does seem to reduce the total amount of it

>>15473215

>>15473217
and it comes back to normal after a habit is formed

>>15472354
Weed suppresses your REM sleep, so when you finally start getting REM sleep again, your body has no tolerance so it creates very vivid and powerful dreams. As for why they're nightmares, well maybe your mind is fucked.

>>15472354
>Correlation of Quitting Weed Suddenly & Vivid Nightmares
It's a well known phenomena. The vivid dreams will abate after a few days, maybe a week or so. Depends on how much body fat you have.

>>15473249
When I experienced this, the dreams were nightmares because of how vivid they were, not because of anything the dreams were about. The dreams concerned mundane topics, but their vividness was frightening.

>>15472354
When I take weed breaks I definitely have more vivid & dark dreams. Wears off after a few days though, a month seems strange

drug addicts only tend to quit when dire circumstances force them to. OP is probably flat broke and on the verge of homeless and he likely destroyed all of the important relationships in his life in favor of getting high and jacking off. now he has no more feel-good drugs to keep thoughts of reality at bay.
isn't it so wonderful that the far left politicians had put so much effort into legalizing marijuana, OP will be so thankful for their good deed when he is sleeping on the street. he can thank hollywood and the music industry for glamorizing drug addiction too, drug addicts are so cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trGX3ET3jTQ

>>15473607
No, I quit because I didn’t want to smoke weed anymore. Not great for my physical health or lungs. I also am in the process of improving other poor habits, like drinking caffeine. I didn’t do any other drugs or drink alcohol, I was only smoking weed. And now I am not. It’s been about 6 weeks since I last smoked weed. When I was smoking, it was strictly before bed.

>>15473607
Additionally, I am nowhere near homelessness. I’m in the process of pursuing a degree to work for the medical examiner’s office in my area, and live a comfortable middle class lifestyle. Thank you for your profound insights though, lol.

>>15472659
I’m not sure, honestly. I started smoking regularly in college and it carried on into adulthood. I went to a very “hippie” university, where smoking weed was the norm and very encouraged. As I got older, I realized it was a poor choice for my health, and not necessarily beneficial. I did experience some trauma at the start of my college years. Trauma could play a part, but I’m not sure how heavily because I feel as though I’ve worked through it in my waking life

Thank you to everyone who replied with insightful and logical answers. It probably is just my REM cycle being disrupted, or experiencing a higher frequency of REM sleep due to stopping the weed use. It will probably level out with time. It’s insane how much my life improved after cutting out marijuana use, apart from the nightmares and sleep paralysis. If anyone here is a regular marijuana user - consider quitting. It is absolutely a drug, not a magical healing plant like the media tries to portray. Take care all

>>15472354
Weeed blocks neuroreceptors necessary for dreaming. When you stop your brain becomes more sensitive to those neuroreceptors and tries to "catch up" with the rest you missed out on. The longer you smoked, the longer you'll experi3nce this. They're night,are because you either suffer from anxiety due to withdrawl/shift lifestyle or panicking within the dream because you're not used to it. Learn reality checks for lucid dreaming them chill out in the knowledge that nothing in your dreams can hurt you. Don't try to force yourself awake, just ride it out. You'll wake up eventually so try to enjoy it.

>>15474050
*They're nightmares

>>15472354
I think those dreams means that you're a closeted faggot OP

>>15472354
The THC in cannabis increase acetlycholine production, this causes you to remember your dreams better, it also shortens the amount of rem sleep you get, so you feel as if you multiple episodes of nightmares which are just shortened rem sleep cycles. Give it 2 months after quitting weed completely for you acetlycholine receptors to become normal again and for your rem sleep cycle to become normal again, weed damages the hippocampus which plays a huge role in memory so I'd advise to stay far away from that stuff from now on permanently.
If you want to regain the dendritic for memory take 40mg/kg of bodyweight in bacopa Monnieri, this will cause dendritic growth to occur after taking it for 4 weeks straight, do this for a year your memory should get better, idk about lions mane, that shit never did anything to help me out memory wise

>>15472354
That's what you get for being a drug addict

>>15472413
do they hallucinate "viruses"? joos? climate change?

>>15474497
> and totally ignore environment, family
da droooogs!

>>15472354
>I’ve been having the most horrific and vivid nightmares one could possibly imagine. I wake up in a panic, and it takes some time to realize the horror I experienced was a dream.
You have a lot of life problems you need to fix if those nightmares are that constant.

The schizos in /x/ have largely fixed the issue by learning how to lucid dream. Predictably, they try to have sex with the nightmare demons, which makes them recoil in existential horror as the turns have tabled.

>>15472354
>Hey friends - I recently made a huge lifestyle change and quit smoking massive amounts of weed on a daily basis. I quit cold turkey.
I once did something similar, for ten days or so I led a disciplined life. And I also had immediately massive nightmares, but only the first three nights, in the third night, it was the worst stuff imaginable and after that the nightmares lost it's horror because they couldn't get worse than what I had already seen. And after a few more nights I started to sleep normally. That I stopped living a disclipined life was not due to the nightmares, just my lack of discipline eventually got back to me.

>>15474845
chatgpt?

>>15474847
Nigger

>>15472354
drugs interfere with the natural ability to regulate your emotional wellbeing because it suppresses the feedback (aka emotional pain) that your subconscious constantly sends to anybody so as to motivate themselves to position themselves in their environment in a more healthy manner. basically, you now have to catch up with all the emotional labour youve been putting off while being drugged up. this is btw why you dont do drugs regardless if they are harmful to the body or not.

>>15474864
so, it's da droogs are unhealthy, not environment!

>>15472354
I had extremely convincing delusions that I had small(to thet point that they were invisible to the eye) gnats flying against/bouncing off of my body and face when I quit smoking weed. And the craziest part is that I didn't even like weed. I like alcohol, I mildly enjoy nicotine, but I never enjoyed weed. But I had an itch to scratch and I just kept smoking it. It's a bad drug.
You know that it was a certain ethno religious tribe that was behind the push for legalizing weed in the US right?

>>15475009
btw gnats and bugs that are too small to see are a real thing, they just weren't in fact something that I was experiencing. lookup eye gnats and snow fleas. every knew I was crazy except for me. actually, I half suspected it but it didn't matter because reality didn't change what I was in fact experiencing on a sensory level in my mind. just don't do drugs

>>15472354
Lucky, I wish I had vivid nightmares. But I'd rather not permanently ruin my health with cannabis.
I'll just stick to watching lots of horror.

>>15475009
rastafarians?