/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15467339
At this point, I'm just gonna choose what sciences to believe and which not to. There is too much lying and corruption going on.

I'm not gonna believe this faggy corporate cocksucker. Stop trashing everything on the planet.

smart people make mistakes as well
even Popper didn't accept the multiverse and fell for malthusian overpopulation worries

>>15467370
The real enemy is the US deep state that made deals with devils and therefore they are no longer human. They all must be killed in the most brutal way as punishment for betraying mankind.

>>15467398
take your meds

>aging scientist trying to stay relevant via shit but hot takes
Many such cases.

>>15467398
And who created the deep state except roman Catholic backed child-dickers

>>15467339
>dead & stupid
into the trash it goes

>>15467339
>Dyson replied that "[m]y objections to the global warming propaganda are not so much over the technical facts, about which I do not know much, but it's rather against the way those people behave and the kind of intolerance to criticism that a lot of them have."
Another chud and his hurt fee fees

>>15467398
How very brown of you

>>15467398
How very brown of you

>>15467339
everyone knows man made climate change is hoax

>>15467564
can you prove that

>>15467339
Why did you post a picture of a white man? Freeman Dyson was black.

>>15467611
>>15467564
>>15467398
damn this board is trash

>>15467611
that was only in the netflix movie about him

>>15467650
>>15467650

>>15467426
His argument is entirely reasonable, people who are unable to defend their position on a rational basis need up use alternative means of persuasion. True rational arguments are able to withstand criticism, falsehoods need to be protected from criticism.

>>15467404
>who created the deep state
It existed for as long as humans. Paleolithic deepstate, my son.

>>15467584
Yes, CO2 doesn't cause the greenhouse effect on Mars, therefore it is not a greenhouse gas. On Earth, CO2 catalyzes the storage of solar energy as organic matter, which removes energy from the environment in a way that conventional thermodynamics cannot account for. If increased atmospheric CO2 is going to do anything to the climate, its going to cool it

>>15467339
>It is much easier for a scientist to sit in an air-conditioned building and run computer models, than to put on winter clothes and measure what is really happening outside in the swamps and the clouds. That is why the climate model experts end up believing their own models
BASED

Global warming is just a dangerous as the covid virus

>>15467913
>CO2 doesn't cause the greenhouse effect on Mars
Demonstrably false; BTFO'd by decades-old satellite measurements.
>CO2 catalyzes the storage of solar energy as organic matter, which removes energy from the environment in a way that conventional thermodynamics cannot account for
How significant is this to the global climate? Does this cause a significant, measurable change in global energy balance? Has this been quantified in a peer-reviewed paper?

>>15467913
>mars is cold so it doesn't have a greenhouse effect

>>15467975
>Does this cause a significant, measurable change in global energy balance?
It doesn't even make sense in principle. That CO2 was all produced through oxidation of old organic matter, the only energy that could be stored would be roughly the same amount released in the first place while burning coal/oil/gas. However if the CO2 concentration is rising rapidly (it is), that MUST mean energy release through oxidation is far outpacing storage through increased photosynthesis.

>>15467964
true.

>>15467614
yes, shills are trash. btw, only shills keep calling it trash, they always complain and play victims.

>>15467584
it's a fact, just as the fact that you are shill.

So that's the father of Neil deGrasse Dyson?

>>15467339
He's got a nice, sympathetic look to him. I'm inclined to trust this man over the intergov panel of climate karens.

>>15468100

>>15467339
We already knew it was fake. and We're getting tired of pretending it's not.

Meanwhile, Jane Fonda blames "Climate Crisis" on "White Men" and openly calls for their arrest and imprisonment. kek

>>15468548
she is on her period crisis

>muh models
Rapid warming is empirically measured just like the greenhouse effect due to the interactions of CO2 with infrared radiation

>>15467913
>>15468002
>Earth, CO2 catalyzes the storage of solar energy as organic matter, which removes energy from the environment in a way that conventional thermodynamics cannot account for
This is such horseshit god damn. The increasing energy radiating back from the atmosphere from the greenhouse effect is directly measured through clear sky readings of the atmosphere from the surface. It’s a pretty simple mechanism that can be replicated at home.

>>15468002
>the planet cant have so much carbon around that it makes toxic substances when gathered into big collections. THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO US
when the fuck did you think life was fair?

>>15467650
>>15467652
Still posting this fake shit. We don't even need temperature data to prove global warming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he5QzhE7_g4

>>15469140
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzRvmjBGqp8

>>15469146
> See long-term shifts in temperature melt a glacier right before your eyes
Hmm who could possibly be this retarded?
> CNN logo
ah, makes sense

lmao that the global warming hysterics presume that they're smarter than freeman dyson

>>15469140
If the ice age ended without AGW, how are you able to conclude that a five decade trend in glaciation is something other than an ordinary fluctuation? Or did the ice age end due AGW?

>>15469178
Even at the fastest onset of the more recent interglacial, it took thousands of years for a degree of warming. Now the planet has warmed a degree in 100 years.

>>15469182
Not trying to pick a fight but per the error bands there could very well have been a 2-degree warming in a 100-year period.

>>15467339
i rarely hear about global warming anymore except for this site.

>>15469182
I thought you said you didn't need temperature data to prove GW and referred me to the glacier video?

>>15469207
Not him. You don’t need models to prove global warming since observations and empirical data prove it. I guess that other anon is talking about the deniers who say even observational data are fake

>>15469207
>you said you didn't need temperature data
>>15469213
>You don’t need models

>>15469207
>>15469216
Absolutely fucking based.

>>15469213
>since observations and empirical data prove it
no they don't, your "proof" is all based on faked data and observations

>>15467398
Anime kills your point you big faggot.

>>15469216
Do you have any arguments or are you pretending that you’re not able to follow the replies? It’s a pretty simple concept. Dyson’s ignorance about climate models are irrelevant to the fact that rapid warming is an empirically measured phenomenon especially when he says people should be out measuring it.
>>15469222
>I’m going to pick a specific region and time span to maliciously misrepresent a dataset even though the urban heating correction actually reduces the warming trend
Lmao even

>>15469236
>Shill reposts debunked image.
Get new material.

>>15469236
>source: NASA
NASA is a government propaganda agency, not a scientific organization

>>15469249
>>15469238
>I have no arguments so I’ll just state the data are fake

>>15469127
of course it can, wtf is your issue?

>>15469249
>I don't trust government organizations, businesses, or educational institutions for information of any kind
$20 says you're a bible thumping faggot

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1662966385327087617

global warming political activist violently assaulted

>>15469158
What's your argument. That images of glacier loss are fake?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur4I8tYnxP4

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/08/us/glaciers-national-park-2020-trnd/index.html
>Glacier National Park is replacing signs that predicted its glaciers would be gone by 2020

>>15469616
fuck sun change deniers

>>15469298
> I will keep posting "you have no arguments" because my only arguments are links to government censored media

stupid sun change deniers

Its amazing that there are so many people who presume that they're more intelligent than Freeman Dyson on /sci/. The biggest idea to ever originate on this board was that math thing about anime, which produced one paper that has never been cited. How do all the people who who presume that they're more intelligent than one of the greatest minds of the 20th century dovetail the facts about /sci/ with their presumptions of enormous personal intelligence?

>>15470034
>appeal to authority
A famous or smart person can be wrong sometimes. /sci/ is peer review on steroids. We only care about facts and logic.

>>15467339
>astrophsycist & mathematician Freeman Dyson
You have no idea what you are talking about. All of Dyson's most significant work was in QFT.

>>15470099
He did a lot of significant work there, but his contribution to mathematics is arguably more significant. It was all bound up together, just like Newton invented calculus as a means of advancing his own theories of the physical world.

>>15469881
I'm also transgender, idk if that matters

>>15470161
> I am
not science

>>15470135
the nuclear reactor he designed is his greatest legacy

>>15469842
Where did you see an argument in what I wrote? All I did was make fun of CNN for being a click-bait shithole by greentexting their own description of their video lol. Do you work there or something?

>>15467370
>believing your own eyes
Beyond based and any philosopher of science will know that this is the only valid form of science. Writing will immediately become corrupted by midwits trying to sound important and by liars trying to become important.

>>15467401
>>15467406
>>15467426
>>15467614
>>15469213
>>15469236
>>15468532
>intergov
>>15469010
>>>>empirically
>>15469031
>that graph
lmao
>>15470040
/sci/ is shilled to hell by trannies who will never be women trying to bully you into accepting "climate change" and that niggers don't have a lower IQ.

So many fake and gay shills holy shit and you losers do it for free while probably posting on r/antiwork

I'll be working for an Asian company getting paid a ton to burn more oil and gas for products while Euros can't even eat meat because cows fart methane which is bad or some shit.
I guess killing off those millions of bisons in America really saved the climate lmao

>>15471225
Get my balls out of your mouth you massreplying tranny

>>15467339
The solution to climate change is to create a global government that can tax and regulate without constraint from our elected representatives. We must lower our standard of living, live in high-density housing and eat insects to save the Earth or else we're all doomed.

>>15471341
But plutocrats still get the right to fly everywhere in a private jet because solving climate change isn't about dealing with wealth inequality.
Oh also india and china get to pollute as much as they want otherwise it's unfair.

>>15471352
yes

>>15471352
there's no man made climate change

>>15471352

>>15471596
this but unironiquellement

>>15467584
Pay attention to the argumentation the proponents of the theory use. Also not one of their predicitons came true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL6-x0modwY

>>15472137
thats a good video, but all of the schoolchildren in that schoolroom forgot everything he said the moment class was over and they grew up to be boomers who make money by inventing "science" fairly tales about how the world is coming to an end. ppl like dyson were able to be legitimately successful at science because they didn't grow up to become professional liars

>>15469249
nasa is a bunch of hysterical women

>>15473872
what is this?!

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/5-things-i-truly-dont-understand-about-inevitable-energy-transition

>>15473916
good reading. that brazil aluminum story shows that "cancer" is poisoning.

>>15467584
He doesn't have to, you have to prove it's real.
you've failed 1000 times after 50 years of ocean levels staying the same.
So now everyone just defaults to climate change complainer == bullshit leftist.

>>15467553
ok chink

>>15469236

>>15469171
They are mentally ill and low IQ, so they're bound to be wrong about a lot of things, including estimating their on intelligence

>>15467339
Argumentum ad auctoritatem

>>15471596
how are you different from terrence howard? He has his own math, you have your own climate science. You're equally retarded yet one kind of those retardness became normalized.

>>15474076
Zerohedge has better science coverage than most MSM outlets

>>15467917
computer models are literally a figment of the programmer's imagination, they are always inaccurate at best and usually outright wrong

of course its fake, its a theory thats meant to fit a desired outcome.
>switch westerners off fossil fuels

>>15477362
>switch westerners off fossil fuels
thats not the desired outcome, the desired outcome is white genocide

>>15478200
so far they succeded in preventing "development" in "developing" countries. and that's good thing.

>>15478202
Are you retarded? China uses more fossil fuel in 2 weeks right now than Europe and America did during the entire 2 centuries of Western industrial revolution.

>>15467339
shut the fuck up you stupid nazi fuck. the only surprising thing here, is that you have the mental capacity to type you uneducated piece of shit.

>>15478211
it's not about China, its about Africa, retard. and china doesn't just consume in vain, it uses it to produce.

>>15478328
China is a legalized sweatshop. The nuclear fallout of nuking China back to the stone age would be less damaging to the global environment than letting them keep operating their corporate sweatshops for another 3 months.

>>15467564
damn, this means it's real.

>>15478347
>China is a legalized sweatshop
…owned by wall street. nuclear fallout of nuking new york would be even smaller than zapping all of china

>>15478463
but it wouldn't destroy the factory infrastructure in china so nothing would change

>>15478224
> nazi
What does this have to do with anything? Did you just give away (((who))) is behind that hoax? I thought you people are better in verbal intelligence, but if it is so, why you resort to insults so often? It makes me suspect that you're just imbred midwits and don't belong anywhere near science.

>>15476417
there's no man made climate change

>>15478224
Freeman Dyson's mathematical talents were put to use in the war against the nazis. He was only 19 years old when he went to work for the RAF's bomber command analyzing combat statistics. Dyson knew more about math at 19 than you ever will, he was astoundingly intelligent and accomplished and he says global warming is fake

the area around the equator is already nearly at the max temp humans can survive (without air con). you can only sweat so fast and cool down so quickly from it. this goes right through india and africa, where most people do not have aircon, which would results in 100s of millions of people dying. its like 2 degrees away.
>lmao africa and africa who cares
yeah china knows this, thats why they are setting up shop and building infrastructure there. middle of africa will become china 2. clever dudes.

>>15467553
>all correlative studies
>one isn't in a reputable journal
this graph means absolutely nothing; iq means batshit in terms of "intelligence" (also south korea is depicted in the graph(?), the US is arguably well off in more christian areas; it's almost as if data isn't being properly represented ).

>>15480816
>the US is arguably well off in more christian areas
source? surprises me but i havent thought about that a lot.

>>15480739
India isn't anywhere near the equator.
Equatorial regions aren't even all that hot, they don't have long enough days for it to get unusually hot. The hottest parts of the planet are places that have long summer days and short nights. Death Valley is at 36ºN

>>15480872
>india isnt anywhere near the equator
oh, yeah. forgot canada was closer. my bad
>Equatorial regions aren't even all that hot
citation needed

>>15480903
india is entirely in the northern hemisphere, most of india isn't even in the tropics

>>15482035
The hottest part of the country is the low altitude parts of the north. Equatorial location are not all that warm and also not very cold, they have the most moderate temperates of anywhere.

>>15467426
Unlike your enlightening argument. Oh wait, you only have ad hominem attacks.

>>15470034
>>15480123
Isaac Newton was astoundingly intelligent and he was a huge proponent of alchemy. I guess that's true also.

>>15480816
Catholicism is the largest religion in South Korea

>>15482558
Yes chemistry exists and global warming doesn't. Are you upset about that?

>>15482558
so you're saying you think you're smarter than newton. yeah you're a famous genius, theres a thread about you in the catalog >>15480459

>>15467339
I’ve been saying the same thing for a while now to anyone that seriously brings up the subject.

Just from a feedback standpoint you arrive at something like Gaia theory pretty quickly, even though that guy still toes the climate alarmist line. Life creates a negative feedback loop to stabilize the environment to suit itself.

>>15467377
Where was his mistake?

>>15467377
>even Popper didn't accept the multiverse
>mistake
Anon...

>>15482564
Alchemy is not chemistry
>>15482566
No, I'm saying that being intelligent does not make you omnipotent and that even the most intelligent people can, shockingly, be wrong especially about topics that are not directly relevant to their field of expertise.

>>15483129
>Alchemy is not chemistry
wrong

>>15482558
> he was a huge proponent of alchemy
That's the opposite of what's happening here. Global warming is alchemy. The vacuum cleaner dynast is anti that, not pro.

>>15483129
Alchemy is chemistry

If Freeman Dyson says its fake then it probably is, he sure as hell knows a lot more about science than Greta, who never even graduated from high school, or Al Gore, who has a degree from a law school and never studied or worked in STEM.

>>15467398
>posts pedo shit

>>15485336
And all the climate protestors

I am not denying climate change, but can you really trust nonbasic science when those people also say being transgender is normal and healthy?

>>15467339
Reminder that climate protestors are the same people that are against nuclear energy.

>>15469182
The warming after the Younger Dryas was like 10 degrees in a few decades.

>>15485379
Regionally; this is a global temperature graph.

>>15485391
Ok, so it was 5 degrees globally. In a few decades.

>>15485394
>5 degrees globally
Where did you get this number from?

>>15485391
The Younger Dryas was a global phenomenon. Do you know anything about historical climatology at all?

>>15485713
Yes, Younger Dryas was a global phenomenon.
No, it doesn't mean the entire world got, on average, 10°C colder. There's a fair amount of literature about differences between Northern & Southern Hemisphere during Younger Dryas. I implore you to go read.
Yes, belittling behaviour makes you look insecure.

>>15485811
>Yes, belittling behaviour makes you look insecure.
Most ironic post in this thread.

>>15485815
>No arguments

>>15485818
Thank you for conceding.

>>15485822
>generic bot-like response
>still no arguments

>>15485851
Belittling behavior makes you look insecure.

>>15485852
>parroting
>bot-like responses
>still no arguments
So I take it you have no arguments about Younger Dryas?

>>15467339
I wonder why people didn't listen.

>>15467339
He also invented the models so ... yeah.

>>15486381
Very true. He was the only person with the expertise to debunk all of their modeling.

>>15486381
he should've normalized albedo scale differently. the way it is now makes accounting for the action of photosynthesis difficult because you get a negative albedo when solar radiation is absorbed and never reemitted
or maybe you get a score equal to 1, I can't decide

>>15485852
>projection

>>15486830
This. The models continue to improperly suggest that trees only contribute to albedo by radiating energy when they in fact capture it in chemical bonds.

>Harrison Hagan Schmitt (born July 3, 1935) is an American geologist, retired NASA astronaut, university professor, former U.S. senator from New Mexico, and the most recent living person—and only person without a background in military aviation—to have walked on the Moon.

>Before joining NASA as a member of the first group of scientist-astronauts in June 1965

>In March 1970 he became the first of the scientist-astronauts to be assigned to space flight

>Schmitt was assigned in August 1971 to fly on the last mission, Apollo 17

>In his letter of resignation, Schmitt told the Planetary society that “’consensus,’ as many have said, merely represents the absence of definitive science. You know as well as I, the ‘global warming scare’ is being used as a political tool to increase government control over American lives, incomes and decision making. It has no place in the Society’s activities.”

>Schmitt co-authored a 2013 Wall Street Journal opinion column with William Happer, contending that increasing levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are not significantly correlated with global warming, attributing the "single-minded demonization of this natural and essential atmospheric gas" to advocates of government control of energy production. Noting a positive relationship between crop resistance to drought and increasing carbon dioxide levels, the authors argued, "Contrary to what some would have us believe, increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will benefit the increasing population on the planet by increasing agricultural productivity.

>>15488330
what a chad

>>15488330
People back then had more integrity. How did science become so full of fraud?

>>15490263
People back then were more religious

any position that offers opportunities to exert power will be eventually compromised. everything. this is what life always did, anywhere you can find it. look at it this way and everything makes sense.

>>15490673
> kikes imposed new kind of abrahamic religion upon those who rejected the previous version of it.
no shit, sherlock
but the actual reason behind both atrocities is you did not remove the kikes

>>15490673
True. Atheists, being narcissists by nature, are incapable of doing honest science since it means admitting they were wrong about something.

>>15490755
Yet somehow the worst of current overrated theories were fabricated by jesuits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebqAH5mLZNk

>>15490767
Did you link the wrong video?

>>15490770
> Born on July 17, 1894, in the Belgian city of Chaleroi, Lemaitre was a Jesuit Catholic who was attracted to both science and theology.

>>15490755
/x, shill faggot

>>15490895
take yourself with him
("extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" goes for both of you)

>>15490895
post nose

>>15490856
Ok but what does that have to do with overrated theories or fabrication?

>>15492336
Isn't big bang theory overrated? Isn't it full of fabrications? Did you research it or just took it on faith?

>>15471225
>/sci/ is shilled to hell by trannies who will never be women trying to bully you into accepting "climate change" and that niggers don't have a lower IQ.

>So many fake and gay shills holy shit and you losers do it for free while probably posting on r/antiwork


Ya it always seems like everyone here has a big stick up their ass, kind of sad really.

>>15485852
>t. belittler

>>15469236
>pick a specific region and time span
Any doctoring of any data from any region and any timespan is grounds for concern. Or did yo think you had a free ticked to fraud because you are a warmerista?

https://odysee.com/@CosmicEvent:5/The-Nuclear-Scare-Scam----Galen-Winsor.:8
energy scares around nukes

>>15493978
Thats what the global warming crowd all presumes, they think its OK for them to lie incessantly because they're supposedly doing it "for mother earth" or something gay like that.
In reality they're just dishonest people and their need to lie only further exposes global warming for the scam that it is.

>>15467339
My father is a farmer and he is literally talking everyday about how the climate has changed so much, so rapidly.
He has no clue what climate change is because he is neither English speaking nor literate.
But he got 80 years of experience observing local climate patterns.

I am only 40 years old but climate change was observable even in my lifetime.

We are at the point where one can personally experience climate change directly, and you very special people are still arguing.

Maybe it's because Americans spend their whole life living in air conditioned buildings and driving air conditioned cars.

>>15494720
The change isn' the issue, the real issue is the purported cause.
they lie about the real cause and blame it on co2 which then lets them see a way to regulate even your breathing

>>15494724
The global warming shills are truly an evil group of people

>>15494724
yep, if its cow burps they want to regulate and eliminate today, it won't be long before they're setting their sights on human respiration

>>15467339

>>15492426
totally overrated. Some of the jokes of the first season were good but the show got repetitive stale very quickly. 2/10

>>15496883
kek

>>15479116
and 1x1= 2

>>15480123
>he was astoundingly intelligent and accomplished and he says global warming is fake
science is about evidence. Not about opinions of scientists

>>15497626
So you're saying that climate change is fake, unlike the "consensus" claims? Ok good.

>>15497647
based retard poster

>global warming is fake
>okay, it's real but humans didn't cause it
>okay, humans did cause it but it doesn't matter, we can't do anything about it
>okay, we can do something about it but we shouldn't, it will be good for us
>okay, it will be bad for us BUT INDIA AND CHINA

>>15488330
>Schmitt co-authored a 2013 Wall Street Journal opinion column with William Happer,
the same William Happer from C02 coalition that is literally funded by big oil lmao. We got to cocky retardbros

>>15497699
> big oil
> lmao
shill arguments

>>15497664
No it's just fake.

>>15497699
Wait so it doesn't matter that he's right? I thought science was about results.

>>15497664
It's fake, CO2 is plantfood, and CH4 becomes CO2 swiftly in a 20% O2 atmosphere
People who tell us it's not fake are always insulated from the economic consequences of the policies they propose. These people want serfs.

>>15498257
no, according to the global warming hysterics, science is strictly about pushing political agendas.

>>15467339
>They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust, the chemistry and the biology of fields and farms and forests
Have any counter argument been made to this?

>>15498257
>Wait so it doesn't matter that he's right?
but he isn't. And what results? He admitted himself that his ramblings wouldn't pass a peer review

>>15467404
Who’s god do those goys worship?

>>15498842
>He admitted himself that his ramblings wouldn't pass a peer review
That you need to lie about something so inconsequential only adds to his credibility.

>>15498841
You don't need counter-arguments when your argument is non-scientific.

>>15497614
> %)
lmfify
1+1=2
But seriously, why are you in science if you're a believer? Can't you find yourself some less detrimental way to believe? Watch and learn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKuwgG3VO-M

>>15498847

>>15467339
Wtf I thought we were still in little ice age and climate is much cooler than normal with co2 levels abnormally low as well. ofc temp and shit are going up, the planet is literally healing (regression to mean). My advice is to maximally Exploit ppl for money while you still can. Sell climate insurances etc for i care.

speaking of dyson. If someone actually built a full sphere around a star, how would that affect stellar evolution?

>>15499864
spherically

>>15467339
Freeman Dyson was one of the greatest scientific minds of the past 100 years, its crazy that a bunch of stupid college kids all presume that they're smarter than him

>>15501744
Dyson was also a theoretical physicist, not a climate scientist. It's crazy a bunch of retards think those two are the same thing, or that it gives him any right to speak on climate change.

>>15467753
>These people are not arguing rationally
>They must be wrong
Congratulations, you are now also not arguing rationally

>>15501749
Physics is the only valid part of climate science.

>>15467339
>Renown

You're done.

>>15501809
Theres a strong biological element too, thats one of the things Dyson mentioned. The quantum mechanics of photosynthesis wasn't well understood when he was working on the issue, but it was still readily apparent to him that on a planet which is covered in photosynthetic material, a strict thermodynamic approach to the issue is guaranteed to be the wrong approach.

>>15501868
Sure, and biological feedback loops are an example of one of the many nonvalid parts of climate science.

>>15501890
Photosynthesis removes energy and sequesters it in chemical bonds. Calculating plants as having an albedo less than 1 is the reason why models think the globe is warming.

>>15501809
Well, Dyson says himself that they describe the physics of everything well. His criticism essentially amounts to clouds and biology?

It's a dumb fuck criticism imo. The effects of land usage are very well known, people have done studies has hasn't looked at and they've found that in general conversion of natural areas to farmland accelerates warming, deforestation accelerates warming, etc. Climate scientists take land use into account, so I don't understand how he has an objection.

The other criticism is clouds. Which the effect that clouds have only increases the error bounds of models. Dyson genuinely has no idea what he's talking about. He should've stuck to theoretical physics.

>>15501977
>they've found that in general conversion of natural areas to farmland accelerates warming, deforestation accelerates warming, etc.
How can they know this when warming isn't occurring?

>>15501981
>I have no argument.
Wow, this conversation is over.

>>15501984
Answer my question. How can they know any of those things when there is no observation to back their claims up?

>>15501977
Fuck off dumb leftoid.

>>15501977
I've never read his full criticism and don't care to. By nonvalid I mean unmodellable, at any scale that matters. Some of the physics might be modellable in isolation. Clouds and biology aren't modellable.

>>15502003
Proof? I know that we've had some difficulty in modeling clouds, but even then that doesn't change 90% of the observations/predictions of climate change, just changing the error bars like I said.

>>15501949
They literally characterize plants as having the same characteristics as asphalt in their models, probably because they're looking for a particular result that fits the global warming doomsday scenario.
Short term weather models account somewhat for plant respiration and it's effect on the climate.

>>15501749
>any right to speak on climate change
And yet when it comes to iron salting of oceans, the alleged climate scientists suddenly all become micro biologists as they deem this dangerous.
Oh, and Pachauri was a railway engineer with problems with women. I see these dudes are more qualified than physicists then.

>>15502390
The weather forecasting models don't characterize plants as the equivalent of asphalt because the weather forecasting models are looking to produce an accurate forecast.
The long term climate models do characterize plants as the equivalent of asphalt because they are looking to produce an inaccurate forecast.

>>15501977
>people have done studies
>trust the replication crisis publications, goy

The IPCC models are trash. They continuously fail to predict extreme temps. The latest failure was blamed on not including sulphate aerosols in the model...explained away by saying they were cautious against 'double counting' particulate data. Absolute dogshit.

The climate is warming (vineyards becoming productive in Nordic countries is the smoking gun for me) but the models aren't good enough to prove why. It could be extra heat from the mantle for all we know, but we don't have much data on that boundary condition, so anyone who suggests it is a 'climate denier.'

This is proof that since the beginning climate science has been about getting bigger budgets. If your theory isn't anthropic, goodluck getting funding or published.

The OG climate data came from Russia. Wouldn't surprise me if it was Putin trying to fuck up the fossil fuel industry in the west with full knowledge that making the science political would ensure anti-fossil fuel policies. He knows we are that retarded.

>>15504750
>vineyards becoming productive in Nordic countries is the smoking gun for me
That was accomplished mainly by selectively breeding hardier grape varieties. They grow potatoes in Sweden too, potatoes are from Peru.
Corn grows in Canada, but it is native to Mexico. That isn't because of global warming, its due to advancement in agricultural capabilities.

>>15505306
This.

>>15505306
>>15505370
You're both wrong about viticulture. For example, Chardonnay vines from France could never achieve full phenolic ripeness in the UK climate until recently and they often ripen too quickly now in Chablis, Champagne, etc.

>>15504750
>They continuously fail to predict extreme temps
What the fuck are you talking about? It's a climactic model, not a weather model. It's not their job to say "it will be 100 degrees tomorrow".

>>15505441
That doesn't stop them from claiming they're capable of doing that.

>>15505445
No, they don't claim that. Maybe they do, but only in your brain.

>>15505448
>No, they don't claim that.
Won't be the last thing you lie about. Do you ever get tired of defending fraud?

>>15505453
No, I don't actually. It's fun to see denialists come up with every idiotic or otherwise insane theory around climate scientists and their work.

>>15505462
Well at least you admit it's fraud.

>>15505409
https://agresearch.montana.edu/warc/research_current/grapes/index.html

>>15504766
>If your theory isn't anthropic, goodluck (sic) getting funding or published.
Can you provide an example of a single paper that was rejected by a publisher not because of its flaws, but because it didn't endorse anthropogenic global warming? Thanks

>>15505526
>erm sweaty... meet my arbitrary standards or you're a liar
Everyone can see through you.

>>15505463
You're at the point of trying to win arguments with sophistry and gotchas?

>>15505487
?

>>15505546
>n-no you can't ask for a proof of a claim
Sorry for challenging your dogma. I understand there aren't any papers that couldn't be published just because they were sceptical.

>>15505822
>I understand there aren't any papers that couldn't be published just because they were sceptical.
Proof?

>>15505526
[sic] takes brackets, retard.

>>15505546
>>15505825
>>15505831
So many responses, and yet nobody's managed to post a single example of a paper that couldn't be published just because it was sceptical.
Is there no such paper?

>>15505852
Why tag me about that, asshole? I'm just teaching you how to use [sic] properly so your message won't discredited by its own deplorable punctuation.

>>15505526
>getting funding
can you read english? dumb shit

>>15505948
Are you suggesting the "skeptics aren't allowed to publish" part is unfounded and we should ignore it?

>>15505967
how can you study the climate of the earth without funding?

>>15505972
Do you have any specific examples in mind?

>>15505992
example of what?

>>15505409
>French wine now sucks because of global warming
Is that why it still fetches the highest prices?

>>15467339
No climate prediction has ever come true. Not one. Lol. Never, not even when it was supposed to get colder. What a bunch of fucking shit heads.

>>15506076
>French wine now sucks because of global warming
?

>>15505992
It’s like trying to find a rejected paper on Mendelian genetics in the USSR to prove that Lysenkoism wasn’t the only theory allowed.

Maybe the alternative would be more useful: can you show papers where alternative non-anthropic hypothesis were considered and rejected using models as sophisticated as those to ‘prove’ all warming is from humans?

>>15506103
>‘prove’
kys phoneposting faggot

>>15506103
Also I just want to say that I want alternative hypothesis to be wrong. If climate change is only from humans then the west’s emissions policies aren’t a waste of time. I just wish the same effort was put into considering them as the anthro hypothesis. At this point who cares if we test a bunch of bullshit hypothesis? If the ‘science is settled’ then what’s the point of refining our current climate models if not to ensure our hypothesis is correct? So we can be told how much more fucked we are each year?

Currently the models and data used to ‘prove’ it are so shoddy I can’t settle either way.

>>15506116
Read some Popper retard. Once you understand that you can’t prove a theory, move onto Lakatos. Then ask yourself if climate science is a progressive programme?

>>15506124
u high mate? i said ur a phoneposting faggot and should kys (or get on a lappy)

>>15506131
I wish. How can you tell I was on a phone?

>>15506138
i quoted it lol the curly quotes, everyone knows

>>15505441
If you can't use them for basic prediction then how can you tell if they are correct?

I'm not expecting them to predict an exact temperature, but even something as simple as "next years El-Nino will be the hottest on record" might be useful.

Also why can't they be coupled with weather models to do more fine-tuned predictions?

They don't have much predictive power, so they are not good enough for what we are using them for (determining paradigm shifting policies).

>>15506148
I'm a newfag and know nothing

>>15506159
u know enough to write this tho innit lol
>I'm

>>15506091
thats what you said, that global warming ruined french wine. yet wine experts still consider the french stuff the most highly sought after, so it couldn't possible have been ruined by global warming, unless you don't trust the experts

>>15506622
>thats what you said, that global warming ruined french wine.
Holy fuck are you stupid lmao.

>>15467370
You can be an environmentalist without believing everything with the "green" label.

>>15467339
I won't listen to the words of a guy interested in "spheres", if you catch my drift.