/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15445002
>Multiverse
Isn't the universe infinite? What's the point of a multiverse?

>>15445041
Its ideological
The social politics of the 20th century concerning postmodern subjectivity lead into the "scientific" milieu of multiversity
Same way the "gay gene" is suddenly instituted at the time of gay rights
Now we have a "transgender gene" in the works (not kidding).

>Imaginary Numbers
Post a non-imaginary number.

>>15445050
I heard that homosexuality was an epigenetic response to high stress being placed on the mother to prevent over breeding in hard times.

>>15445055
It also comes from being molested by an older man
There isnt one cause for a complex symptom

>>15445002
>>Imaginary Numbers
That is a stupid name. They should be called lateral or side numbers, icala in the Xhosa language to keep the i unit.

>>15445260
I like "lateral numbers". That's a good name. "Imaginary" was a placeholder which unfortunately stuck.
Problem with a code other than lowercase "i" is that "l" looks too much like "1". root-minus-1 *should* look like a 1 but it's best handled with some sort of diacritic, like we have with "i".

>>15445002
>Imaginary numbers
Christ why do noble movements like hating redditors always get populated by retards

>>15445002
add global warming to the list

>>15445041
if we consider the Hubble volume as a "universe", then there are multiverses

>>15445333
>I know everything about the whole universe
>I learned it from the black science man tv show

>>15445052
0

>multiverse
>Other, upper dimensions
>Problem, fagpot?

>>15445002
truly pseudo shit

>>15445773
>he thinks dimensions are other "realities" and not just spatial vectors

>>15445002
>Bi-Cameral Mind
i'm pretty sure vi hart is into this

>>15445002
>Evo Psych
You are the redditor. Evo psych is part of the scientific blackpill. Only feminist reddit soi cucks would deny the evolutionary nature of women.

>>15445050
I'd like to imagine it was german kooks obsessed with eastern mythology. A legacy of nazi scientific might.

>>15445793
Evo psych is a broader worldview
Its a religion built on conjecture
All psychology is quite false anyway

>>15445794
Multiverse stuff is actually more common in kabbalah (jewish mysticism)
The nazis believed in an aristotelian "closed universe" as opposed to the infinite spacetime of einstein

>>15445789
Multi (more than 1)
Verse

It's as simple as that goon pop
Barkel

>>15445002
Imaginary numbers are damn useful tho

Especially when dealing with circuits and electricity.

Why're they on this list? Nothing else on it is directly useful.

>>15445002

How is something discredited just by associating it with a website?

>>15445760
The Romans didn't even have the number zero. It was fucking invented!

By the arabs.

>>15445817
Arabs are based.
Greetings from Germany.

Okay I’m un educated and dropped out in the first grade can someone explain too me why the simulation theory is false can any physicist explain to why simulation theory is bullshit

>>15445041
they are layered in different densities on top of each other, OP is a hack retard

>>15445827
That's easy. Simulation implies computation. A simulated universe would be a computed universe and hence obeying the Church-Turing hypothesis. However, the universe is confirmed to possess uncomputable elements such as free will, qualia and the collapse of the quantum mechanical wave function.

Why the fuck is the simulation theory bullshit and how can I really tell if I’m not playing a vr video game how can I tell if what I’m seeing is real and electrical signals in my brain

>>15445830
What part of mind isn't or more than so computerized.

Gosh heck you guys are faggots

>>15445838
No Turing machine can simulate free will. Check out Newcomb's paradox. It's analogous to the halting problem.

>>15445827
>>15445832
To put it quite simply.

Does it in any way shape or form matter if things are simulated or not?

That's why it's bullshit, it's sollipsism. It doesn't matter in the slightest. "Am I a man dreaming I'm a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming I'm a man?" Who gives a shit? Just focus on the now.

No matter what the circumstance you will always be *you*. Even if who you are changes, the bucket of fat behind your dome is still you by definition.

OPGAY

>>15445829
there is absolutely zero evidence for the existence of multiple universes you dumb fuck

>>15445830
>these two philosophical concepts and the fact that I cant observe states of particles at the same time are PROOF that the universe isn't a simulation.

>>15446101
They show that if the universe was a simulation then that simulation would have to be hyperturing. Because the universe contains elements which cannot be produced by a Turing machine. Simple as. Just learn your theory of computation, kid.

>>15445002
don't forget 0.999... = 1

>>15446103
Simulation theory probably isn't real because of the near-infinite amount of computation to take for even a second of the Universe, but it doesn't mean that "free will" and qualia isn't an outcome of a deterministic world

Studying Ballistics and Aerodynamics right now. I'll definitely need to check on computation theories in case I need it for these projects though.

>>15445041
Multiverse is a metaphysical interpretation of quantum mechanics. There are dozens of them, and they're all possible and also irrelevant to actual mechanism that occur.

>>15446117
>Simulation theory probably isn't real because of the near-infinite amount of computation to take for even a second of the Universe
They actually have an explanation for it. The universe is only generated as far as you can observe. So it's not entire universe that's generated every second, but only (You)r universe, which can at this moment just be your room, and the items in it. Kinda like a videogaym

>>15446117
>but it doesn't mean that "free will" and qualia isn't an outcome of a deterministic world
Cringe. Why even bother replying when you don't know anything about the free will vs determinism incompatibility?

>>15446120
Yeah I like to think that in simulation theory, the world is devised into 3d chunks where most of the energy used in computation is in those chunks while the other ones are "cached" or something where particles are computed ahead of time to enter another chunk.

>>15446121
I put free will in quotations to imply that it isnt real lol

>>15445002
>E.T.s
>Simulation Theory

Guilty.

>>15446118
It's all about you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRjO2JJT3qk

>>15446120
For the record : I don't think performance limitations are a concern for the ones that can make a world such as this.

>>15445330
this

>>15445817
pointlessly peppering your posts with superfluous profanity is pure reddit

>>15445055
homosexuality is a mental illness

>>15445041
Multiverse is an ambiguous term because it can be used to refer to the idea of many separate cosmological-scales spaces "universes," or the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics that says all possible histories exist simultaneously in superposition.
But basically, what >>15446118 said. It's all speculative metaphysics that could be true but has no practical consequence.

>>15445002
add any "scientific" cosmology to the list

>>15445816
If the website is Reddit, Snopes, Facebook, Wikipedia, Science.org or Nature.com then the science is discredited by default.

>>15445002
Good list, global warming goes on it too

>>15445002
Anything that makes use of the infinity meme

>>15452376
what meme? wait like limits and infinite sequences? what?!

>>15445002
>>Imaginary Numbers
There is nothing to believe here. There exists a field which is an extension of the reals in which any polynomial splits. This is a *fact* which use the same rules as the ones used to construct the real numbers.

>>15452404
Any polynomial of degree one and above, obviously.

>>15452409
*someone* just learned Galois theory...

>>15445002
>forgetting big bang spontaneous generation, abiogenesis life from nonlife, and evolutionism transformations like le heckin capeshitarino movie
Let me guess, you think you're going to evolve into a woman in 2 more weeks?

>>15445797
cope

>>15445062
The source for this claim is lawyers. It has no empirical basis.

>>15447770
Not untrue strictly speaking, considering that the definition of mental illness is "anything the practitioner of psychology doesn't like."

>>15452488
>"anything the practitioner of psychology doesn't like."
It's anything that unduly interferes with your life.

>>15452518
by their definition of what your life should be

>>15445002
>imaginary numbers
There is nothing to "believe" about
R[x]/x^2+1
>AGI
all you need is substrate independence and a solution to the grounding problem for AGI to be plausible for this to be plausible and qualify as intelligence.
>evo psych
I'm guessing you are a head-in-the-sand religious type rather than a religious type capable of thinking adaptively and working with multiple world models

>simulation theory
forget any quantification with probabilities. its a plausibility argument. this is extra dumb if you are religious since the christian biblical story (among other religious accounts) can be interpreted as a story of a simulation: the unreality of material existence, the prior ground of the world of souls (heaven, hell etc.). Granted "simulation" might be attacked for being ill-defined, much like the question of what is meant by "dream" in the sentence "everything is a dream", i.e. given that the notion of "dream" is within this dream. but this just reasoning by analogy: the full encompassing world model is to our everyday world model as our everyday world model is to dreams.

>chaos theory
You can't really dispute the maths, not a question of belief. The hype /popsci interpretation is too much.

>etc.

>>15452992
i see you associate simulation with computability. this is a much stronger and less compelling idea, i.e. its saying that the simulation is *just like* the setup for simulations we observe (i.e. computer programs). its still not implausible that all you described is just simulated by a computer program. but the more interesting simulation argument is just one about a more prior ground of reality which in some way subverts the realness of everyday reality.

>>15445002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm9tUVI6Ehk
quantum mechanics meme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8yVJDO9HJ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZngxijknKs

>>15445002
nothing wrong with chaos theory. also no one looks like that chud

>>15453010
i believe governments will use hardware killswitches some day and blame it on "quantum computer hacking"

>>15452992
Is there a difference between R[x]/(x^2+1) and R[x]/(x+i)^3 or R[x]/(x+i)^4? Just asking because x^2+1 has 2 imaginary roots wondering why not choosing simplest with 1 root but I get that x^2+1 is all real and x+i is not. That's why I ask about R[x]/(x+i)^4

>>15445827
it's literally a belief in the supernatural

>>15445827
it's belief in god but for atheists. most atheists aren't really committed to the idea of atheism by the way. they lament constantly about how cruel god is - which implies they believe in him. they also say shit like "GOD MADE EVERYONE EQUAL" and "RACE IS SKIN DEEP" - and then go on to bitch and moan about colonialism as if god put all the races on their respective continents and we (white people) shouldn't displace them because that would violate his perfect design - all of which, also makes them creationist fucktards. show me an atheist who doesn't secretly believe in god and i'll show you a fucking liar. anyway, simulation theory is religion for redditors. it's like star wars

>>15445002
>>Imaginary Numbers
I use these everyday at work and have built things you've probably used.

>>15445002
>chaos theory
whats there to "believe" in nonlinear dynamics?

>>15453157
good analysis

>>15453185
they're a placeholder for things we don't know yet, unless you've proven they exist which would be cool

>>15445002
what's wrong with chaos theory?

>>15453157
Damn that strawman is gonna feel that in the morning

>>15453157
I like how this reply just starts with an assertion, goes off on a fallacy-filled tangent, and then at the end just drops the same assertion having proven absolutely nothing.
>most atheists aren't really committed to the idea of atheism by the way
Indeed, it's not like a religious lifestyle. You just go about your day really.
>they lament constantly about how cruel god is - which implies they believe in him.
People can use metaphors and speak about fictional things, but I suppose theists have trouble telling fiction and reality apart.
>they also say shit like "GOD MADE EVERYONE EQUAL"
Yeah, those aren't atheists. Are you just pretending everyone left of centre is an atheist for failing to adhere to "TRVE CHRISTIAN VALUES" or something? At most I can imagine an atheist calling you on hypocrisy when you fail to adhere to the values you claim to hold.
>and "RACE IS SKIN DEEP"
Which has nothing to do with God - your tangent has gone off on a tangent
>then go on to bitch and moan about colonialism as if god put all the races on their respective continents
Or - hear me out - colonialism is bad not because it goes against some grand cosmic design but rather because it's inherently cruel and exploitative? Which you don't have to be an atheist to realise.
>all of which, also makes them creationist fucktards.
Even at this point you'd think your conclusion might at least follow if we accept all the flawed premises, but no. Even if I were to believe that there is a God and he has a design for humanity, does that have to mean I believe God created the Earth in its current form? It doesn't. Or are you referring to the idea that God created anything at all? That would make everyone who believes in God a creationist fucktard, and if all the atheists secretly are too, well... what's left?
>show me an atheist who doesn't secretly believe in god
I don't.

So anyway, what's simulation theory lmao

>>15445050
asap science people are a gay couple themselves and mount eachother regularly, take boatloads of onions believe in climate change and religiously follow a vegan diet and "science"

>>15445797
Evo psych is just teleology rebranded for the materialist sensibilities of moderns. Learn to read between the lines and not cast the baby out with the bathwater.

>>15445055
no it's due to hormonal levels in utero

>>15445002
>globohomo space model
Exposes most of them

>>15454791

>>15455820
its a result of identification with gender role models as a very young child. the same sex role model is negative enough then the child will identify with the opposite gender role model.

>>15455870
I have done a lot of research into flat earth theory, and it's only convinced me that flat earthers are retarded. Just fyi

>>15445002
Are whites more prone to having gay tendencies? Did something happen while they evolved to white? Seeing that they don’t seem to like ass / hips and all, the only possible explanation is that women are having less children now in white countries, maybe that’s why white men don’t really prioritise ass / hips.

>>15445817
back in high school two of my classmates got into an argument about who invented 0. the Mexican said it was the Aztecs and the Indian said it was the Brahmins.
needless to say, it wasn't the fucking Arabs.

>>15445002
Brainlet can't handle imaginary numbers.

>>15457182
You have done no research on the flat earth truth and are lying. It really is that easy to tell when you science redditors are lying, you can't help yourself but to either virtue signal or shill for globohomo in one way or another.

>>15458064
Atheists are fundamentally dishonest people. They have no faith, not to any religion or to anything else, including the truth.

evolutions is true, but not above the neck
t. r/science

>>15459443
>Dawins considered the European as a subspecies
Damned anglo

>>15459622
it dovetails with his observations in the galapagos islands, isolated locations produce unique adaptations.

>>15445827
It’s unfalsifiable

>>15445002
Out of africa is true
The problem is that retards belive that modern days africans gave birt to others humans

>>15445309
It's almost like it's done on purpose....

>>15461236
>Out of africa is true
it clearly isn't, homo erectus fossils from 2 million years ago have been recovered in northern europe and indonesia and everywhere in between.

>>15461294
So what? they likely came out of Africa too. Like the ancestors of orangutans. Gibbons before them.
We just had last week about how Neanders came out of a "Stem1" from... east Africa. Ragsdale et al "A weakly structured stem for human origins in Africa"

>>15461312
>So what? they likely came out of Africa too. Like the ancestors of orangutans. Gibbons before them.
The current consensus is that great apes likely originated in Eurasia.

>>15461312
>its true because university soience fags are shilling it in one of their replication crisis journals
not meaningful, soientists are all liars and frauds

>>15445838
only retarded zombies like you think that mind can be computerized.
go back to your undergrad studies, faggot.
do a PhD, try to publish a few papers, then you can go back here to talk about mind or conciousness.

>>15445002
numbers are an abstraction, you idiot

>>15445002
Evolutionary psychology is usually considered right wing "poltard" bullshit.

>>15445793
This. Most of threads on the board about evolutioanry psychology, game theory, or sociobiology get spammed by woke leftists spewing their typical insults poltard, incel, schizo, science denier, racist, etc. etc.Evolutionary psychoogy, for example, is generally committed to the idea that gender is not a social construct.

Life is a simulation in one's mind and a sensation in one's presence.

>>15453157
excluding the rant, yes, you have a point, unlike this anon declares>>15445845
yes it matter, because if they believe that the reality is a simulation, that means that someone or something must have programmed that simulation, in other words, there is a cause for all existence, we "matter" in the sense that something took its time to make us. It fills the void that negating God generated.

>>15445792
she actually looks fuckable there. i'm abandoning that corpse physics girl. vi hart is my new waifu.

>>15461294
There is no homo erectua bones ever found in north europe and anyway the oldest homo erectus are from africa hominids originated in africa
>>15461320
You being pissed off at cultural war bullshit means nothing

>>15453157
This, humans evolved in an awful death-filled shithole. Religion helps you cope with the 50% mortality rate on kids.

>>15462128
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis
>Homo heidelbergensis (also H. sapiens heidelbergensis) is an extinct species or subspecies of archaic human which existed during the Middle Pleistocene. It was subsumed as a subspecies of H. erectus in 1950 as H. e. heidelbergensis, but towards the end of the century
>The first fossil, Mauer 1 (a jawbone), was discovered by a worker in Mauer, southeast of Heidelberg, Germany, in 1907.

>>15452392
infinity is just a meme, it doesn't exist in irl

>>15445830
>free will
Free will is physically impossible too since it would require freedom of limitations which isn't physically possible as you are always limited by your environment and form at best you can compute a choice from a series of pot.

>qualia
Just a matter of pointers vs actual data.

>collapse of the quantum mechanical wave function.
That is just a semantic convenience for people who want to arbitrarily quantifying data from a dynamic spectrum.

>>15445843
No physical being can actually have free will either since they are physically limited by definition and can only make limited choices from a constrained set of physical possibilities.

>>15463606
>>15463608
>it's another episode of NPCs mistaking free will for omnipotence

>>15445845
You have far more control over a dream and far less consequences, so of course it matters if you are just dreaming or actually doing it since you can turn off gravity in a dream, for instance, but not in reality.

>>15446103
So you think that the sims games are impossible since you can't actually program sims to arbitrarily walk around and freely choose how to interact with their environment when they don't have explicit commands?

>>15446117
You don't have to compute everything simultaneously, though, only things being actively observed in the order of observation.

Retard

>>15463615
You don't see any difference between yourself and a Sims? That's sad.

>>15452404
>This is a *fact*
No, it is a weakness of the logic underlying arithmetic axioms.

>>15463627
You don't see how the fact that sims can freely engage with their environment through computation destroys your shitty free will can't possibly be computed argument?

>>15463632
>sims can freely engage with their environment
They cannot. Your video game waifu is not equivalent to a human being. Deal with it.

>>15463635
They can, though, I have played the game and if you don't assign commands, they just freely roam the environment and interact with it at their leisure based on their personal preferences.

>>15463635
>They cannot.
So then you do think the sims game is impossible?

>>15445830
Turing machines are a concatenation of potential computation power in the compressed simulation space, your simulation actually runs on a Schmuring Schmachine (no relation).

>>15445002
> Multiverse
You misunderstand the theory's application within scientific theory. Don't feel too bad, Redditors do too and in the same way. It's a big maybe
> AGI
Curious to know why you think this is impossible. We have examples of general intelligence all around us (Human beings) and we've been able to build very weak general AI that will only get better over time.
> Evo psych
Untestable but surely evolution plays a role in human psychology
> Imaginary numbers
Are you retarded or something? Did you just see the word "imaginary" and think this was some metaphysical philosophy bullshit? I'm not even going to dignify this one with an answer
> String theory
Yeah this one is horseshit
> Out of Africa Theory
As I understand it this is still considered the consensus and that jawbone they found in Israel is not actually an ancestor of modern humans. Neanderthals originated in the Caucasus region and some humans are descended from them but they were not Homo Sapiens
> ETs
Probably out there but we certainly have no contact with them.
> Simulation theory
I mean I wouldn't rule it out but the ancestor simulation hypothesis is pretty bad I think
> Chaos theory
Again, do you actually even know what this refers to you little spastic
> Bi-cameral mind
That one seems pretty sus ngl

>>15445002
>tribalism a feature on /sci/
Perfect conditions to do some nuanced thinking and shit. Updoot.

Imaginary numbers are just the second coordinate of a pair that have a multiplication operation that works nicely with the first coordinate.

>>15459443
>evolutions is true, but not above the neck
only for humans, every other species experiences above the neck evolution

>>15445832
Because anyone with the means to perform such simulation would have no purpose to do so.

>>15452409
degree-zero polynomials split too pedantard, empty product evaluates to 1

>>15453087
R[x] / (x + i)^3 isn't an object, you need to mod out by an ideal of R[x]

>>15445002
>>AGI (Artificial General >Intelligence)
The human brain is a physical object. Even if it was insanely expensive and stupid, making an artificial version of a human brain is possible, therefore AGI is possible.

>>15445002
Wait, what is wrong with imaginary numbers?

>>15445002
multiverse and AGI are both real, while simulation theory is simply a belief in the supernatural

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj2lxDf9R3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeY8QaMsYqY

>>15459443
the sjws who flooded into 4chan as a result of the 2016 election also hold all those same beliefs.

>>15445827
It's impossible to prove that we live in a simulation, and it's impossible to prove that we don't. The simulation theory is therefore a matter of faith, not science.

>>15465906
Unless we find the easter eggs

>>15445817
>By the arabs.
stop this meme
arabs are retards, it was invented by old vedic indians, arabs only picked it up through trade.

>>15459622
we're all subspecies

>>15465963
>>15459622
>we're all subspecies
We used to be. Until international travel broke the natural barriers that keep populations separate. Geographical separation (or another form of separation that keeps populations separate) is a necessary criteria for a population to be considered a subspecies.

>>15465961
>arabs only picked it up through trade.
Wrong. During the Abbasids when the House of Wisdom in Bagdad came to be, they used sponsor all kind of translation work and schola work. Scholars from all over the known world came, from Europe, Africa and Asia. This is when Hindu scholars from India came and shared their knowledge of, amongst other things, the concept of zero. It is thanks to them though that it was shared with Europe, though.

>>15465967
no it isn't

>>15467166
Define "subspecies"

>>15445002
Add "infinity" to the list. Its a mathematical concept which only exists in imaginary form.

>>15445002
covid-19 goes on the list

>>15445002
My hips are more like the female though.

>>15445002
reddit trannies

>>15463413
yep, out of africa is fake af. there is no evidence to suggest it is true, there is ample evidence suggesting just the opposite.

>>15445830
None of those are innately uncomputable. Free will isn’t even a phenomenon, it’s a philosophical concept that is debated ad nauseum.

>>15463610
This is a complete sentence, but none of it makes sense. Fittingly submitted by a frog poster, nicely done

>>15470013
>None of those are innately uncomputable.
The uncomputability of free will can be proven in analogy to the halting problem.

>Free will isn’t even a phenomenon
Did you write this sentence involuntarily? Did you mind cringe and disagree while writing this, but your fingers moved on your own while you helplessly realized you have no control over your body at all?

>>15470017
Control is illusory. My actions are dictated by the cause and effect of preceding events. Humans have free will in the sense that they react to stimuli, but their reactions are necessarily deterministic. You’re being obtuse to be annoying, your topic is stupid, and you should go back to bitching about Jews on /pol/

>>15470025
>cause and effect
A chain of causality must have a beginning. That's where free will enters the game. Free will is starting new chains of causality.

>>15470029
What you are saying and what you believe are two separate things. Every reaction corresponds to a precipitating action, a debate on the singularity of space and time doesn’t change that the events that have followed it are deterministic in nature. You are not a singularity of space and time, you are a human made up of chemicals that have physical properties which respond to the environment they inhabit. If I stabbed you, you would choose to cry out in pain. Why then are any of your choices necessarily more voluntary when they follow the exact same nature, albeit of a less predictable nature to we humans?

>>15470044
You need to go deeper. There's a lot of quantum mechanics happening in the brain. Microtubules in neurons are providing a protected location for quantum effects to take place and to have an effect on the cells. This is how consciousness and free will interact with the deterministic world.

>>15445041
“Infinite” meaning it contains everything in the universe not infinite as in literally goes on forever. Kinda like how 1/3 has infinites decimal places but still good s just 1/3 at the end of the day.

>>15445002
>>15445793
>>15452992
>>15455017
>>15463733
>Evo Psych
What the fuck is that?

>>15445002
add everything on picrel to the list

>>15445002
>"peer reviewed"

>>15445002
>Multiverse
Agnostic on this, not sure how we can claim anything else at this point.

>AGI (Artificial General Intelligence)
I believe this will happen eventually. The human brain is already a proof of concept. Not very clear to me that it will happen in my lifetime though.

>Evo Psych
Evo psych is real. Behavior is influenced by genes, which are influenced by natural selection. You do have to be careful with armchair speculations that don't have much empirical backing, but generally evo psych speculations are (at a maximum) only as useless as sociological speculations, and not more useless.

>Imaginary Numbers
What's your problem with imaginary numbers, bro?

>String Theory
I don't know much about it, but I'm generally skeptical. Like most people these days, I think.

>Out of Africa Theory
Aren't our oldest hominid fossils in Africa?

>E.T.s
I think Aliens exist, but they've never visited us. They might not even exist in our galaxy, or even larger regions of our space, since we have no idea yet how improbable intelligent life is.

>Simulation Theory
I don't even know what this is.

>Chaos Theory
What little I do know about chaos theory seems legitimate to me. It's basically the idea that a small change to the initial conditions results in a very different result. There are real mathematical formulae that have this property, and it is not so unusual to me that physical systems might be describable by such formulae.

your appendix serves no useful bodily function.
pull out your appendix.

>>15464764
>Anyone with the means to make a Superhero movie would have no purpose to do so.

>>15465906
>It's impossible to prove that we live in a simulation, and it's impossible to prove that we don't.
Prove it.

>>15470017
>The uncomputability of free will can be proven in analogy to the halting problem.
Then it is wrong because we have been able to program The Sims with degrees of free will for decades and compute the results while they freely roam their limited environment.

>>15470029
That makes no sense given that there was already a long chain of causality that lead to the existence of any will displaying being and that by definition the will of that being is never free, but constrained by the limits of the environment that arose during the same chain of causality that led to the being developing.

>>15470057
>Microtubules in neurons are providing a protected location for quantum effects to take place and to have an effect on the cells.
Which quantum effects?
What kind of effect on the cell?
Quantum effects also happen inside transistors, so there is nothing by your standards that can't lead to free will and consciousness in transistor based beings just as much as neuron based beings.

>>15470029

>>15471132
>Aren't our oldest hominid fossils in Africa?
no, they're all over the old world, from northern europe to southeast asia

>>15445002
i'm not the first one but i will try to conclude whether or not you're a faggot
>>Multiverse
as far as i'm concerned it's still a theory, it's ok to believe in it but i don't know whether there's proof supporting it

>>AGI
there's not even a statement so i don't know what to answer here

>>Evo Psych
What's this?

>>Imaginary Numbers
After how far we've come and everything we achieved with the help of imaginary numbers are you seriously gonna refute it?

>>String Theory
Still a theory no statement to do about it

>>Out of Africa Theory
well i kinda support you there faggot

>>E.T.s
it's not unlikely they have existed/are existing/will exist

>>Simulation Theory
I like this one but it may be false

>>Chaos Theory
What even is wrong with it? It's like saying statistics of maths don't exist it doesn't make sense

>>Bi-Cameral Mind
I actually don't know what this means

>>15472594
>it's not unlikely they have existed/are existing/will exist
no evidence, you're relying on the infinity meme to justify your belief in hollywood plot devices

>>15471912
When I look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils
All the fossils listed under "Late Miocene" or "Pliocene" are either from Africa or Greece. Only 2 are from Greece out of 23 total.

>>15473157
>wikipedia
Well there's your problem.

>>15473159
Are there other fossils from that era I should be looking at, which wikipedia does not include?

>>15473247
if theres anything that contracts the status quo, its been edited out of wikipedia.

>>15473803
Well that's ok, I don't mind looking at other sources besides wikipedia of course. That's why I asked if you know of other fossils from that era that I should look at. I'd like to see them.

>>15445050
this post may be bait but please remind there are IRL people believing this delusional bullshit

>>15473803
Soo you done have evidence?
People here just shit on OOA out of spite and to be contrarians the reasom why OOA is mainstream is because its only real rival (multiregionalism) was demolished in the 90s

>>15470029
Low iq Kys

>>15470089
Evolutionary psychology

>>15445002
nuclear power goes on the list

>>15474330

>>15474330
nobody needs to disprove wikipedia, its a known dishonest source of information. if wikipedia publishes something it can be presumed to be false

>>15476271
This is an absurd response. Plenty of things on wikipedia are true. Wikipedia says that Mozart was born January 27, 1756. Knowing only that wikipedia claims this birth date for Mozart, do you presume it to be false?

Multiverse
Multiple Universes

>Just a normal idea
>OP retard

Also, shouldn't it be paraverse to include universe birth and different centers of multiplication?

"DERE CANT BE MULTI VERSES. CAUSE I GAY"
-OP

>>15445845
Evidence that reality is a simulation suggests that it is in fact a projection, and that we are more complex creatures from a broader reality doing the equivalent of snorkeling in an inflatable pool. You are aware of your face, you can see what is in front of you, and while you're doing it you are pretty well occupied with what you're doing, unable to get the phone or see what the birds are doing up in the trees. You may even forget about them.

>>15445002
What’s wrong with imaginary numbers?

>>15447524
>Adorning all attestations with alliterative ad hominems advances anyone aught

>>15470025
Quantum Physics and experimental evidence say you are as full of shit as pilot wave theory.

>>15445830
On what basis do you assert that the world outside the simulation follows the same physics as our own?

>>15476690
>Being unable to know the complete state of the basics components that control reality means that consciousness isn't regulated by physical laws!
Peak midwit

>>15476693
Because that's the premise of the original simulation theory. Dropping this premise would introduce something supernatural you might as well call magic or god. Then it's not a computer simulation anymore.

Reditors literally don't believe in evolution and are unserious people

>>15476702
Incorrect.
Just like we can simulate worlds with laws that are nothing like the real world, nothing stops other beings from doing the same.

Your perception of the theory is incomplete

>>15476712
We cannot simulate a world with uncomputable laws though. There are theoretical limitations to computation.

>>15476722

>There are theoretical limitations to computation.
Under OUR reality's physical laws.

We can't assert these restrictions hold outside the simulation

>>15445002
>>Evo Psych
redditors actually hate the concept of evolutionary psychology because equalism would have you believe all variation in brain activity is a function of environment.
>>Imaginary Numbers
dont be retarded
>>Simulation Theory
very true

>>15476737
Wrong. This is not a matter of physics. Uncomputability is a mathematical concept. You cannot escape mathematically proven theorems demonstrating a priori restrictions of reality.

Simulation theory is just "Is there anything beyond reality as we know it?" Asked with a layer of tech colored paint

The answer is the same as it has ever been.

We just don't know

>>15476744
What if mathematics themselves are different?

>>15476746
so true

>>15476551
wikipedia is fake and gay

>>15445760
Show me zero anything, dumbass
You can't cause it's all in your head

>>15476746
>We

You keep using that word but I don't think you know what it means

>>15477364
The number of sex you have

>>15445002
Math is racist
I made it that way
t. mathematician

>>15477309
Please answer the question about Mozart.

>>15445002
Reddit is full of pseudo-intellectuals. News at 11.

>>15454368
You believe that everything just appeared out of nowhere, blew up, and created everything including time and space. Nobody knows why this happened or if it even did. Tell me please how that's not a belief in some sort of higher power.

>>15474321
YWNBAW

>>15477874
this board is full of ppl who think soience is going to invent immortality in two weeks and they're going to spend the rest of eternity flying around the universe in a space ship with their robot waifu

>>15445002
I believe AGI but I guess not the same way redditor thinking (AI getting better upgrade to AGI), I imagine if you combine all the AIs together and train them (inter-training between AI, not using dataset) they will become AGI

>>15478110
Retard, probably engaged in academia's shillery

>>15445760
NaN

>>15478110
>I imagine
you have to because what you're saying is a fairy tale, computers are dumb as shit. lack of experience and too much hollywood fairy tales gave you that imaginary fairy tale

>>15476744
math doesn't reflect reality

>>15445002
>Imaginary Numbers
Lmao some retard didn't even finish highschool, they aren't even something to believe in, just a fucking placeholder in equations

>>15445002
yeah sure why not i believe all of those except i dont know what half of them mean or use reddit

>Reddit Science and Math
pretty much all of it, reddit is a website for loser nerds and science is a topic currently dominated by loser nerds. the percentage of scientists who end up producing anything even slightly worthwhile during their careers is probably less than 0.000001%.
if scientists were anywhere near as bright as they claim to be then noteworthy discoveries like the airplane would never have been made by amateur tinkerers. samuel langley at the smithsonian had a massive team of scientists trying to discover how to make powered flight work, they spent fortunes on it and came up dry. bicycle mechanics figured it out instead of the haughty scientists

>>15480787
>if scientists were anywhere near as bright as they claim to be then noteworthy discoveries like the airplane would never have been made by amateur tinkerers
Good point

>>15445002
add "the scientific method" to the list
nobody adheres to it, it doesn't exist except in fictional form

>>15452446
dover lost the case

>>15445793
Picrel is completely opposite. Redcucks defending their queens.

>>15482793
dial8

>>15483673
>honest Christian judge BTFO's "Cdesign Proponentsists"
>"dial8"
you lost, that's it, we found the missing link in the case and its over.

>>15477857
wikipedia is fake and gay

>>15474330
What part of "Nobody should trust Wikipedia" are you having trouble comprehending?

>>15476722
>There are theoretical limitations to computation.
midwits who have no experience with computer simulations never consider that aspect of reality

>>15486724
its not just theoretical limitations, there are very real practical limitations.

>>15478060
Why won't theists grasp that atheists don't feel obligated to provide them with an alternative explanation to their creation. Atheists don't know what happened before the big bang and don't claim to do.

>>15488271
>Atheists don't know what happened before the big bang and don't claim to do.
Actually they do claim to. That's the entire point of atheism, claiming you're so all-knowing that you have proof positive that God doesn't exist.

>>15478104
lol you'll look really dumb in two weeks

>>15480787
maybe science has mostly made discoveries that you don't know about, because they're not as spectacular or you need further knowledge to appreciate them

>>15488279
The burden of proof is on you, because you make the claim that God exists.

>>15488306
thats not how science works, a scientific theory includes the element of being disprovable. if it doesn't include that then it isn't scientific. if you want to play burden of proof and other rhetoric games >>>/pol/

>>15488300
>scientists are secretly inventing lots of thing better than the airplane, you just not in the know
massive cope, scientists never discover anything other than fake viral epidemics and fake global warming

>>15488306
Third-party / not poster you are responding to

But don't you see this is the problem? The burden of proof in regards to "God" is a matter of vantage-point. 1.) If you are atheist, obviously the burden of proof is on the theist. But 2.) If you a theist, how can you prove what started the universe; human life; black holes -- it's all "just here" "just because"... you don't even realize that you basically have put yourself into a greater need for proof than the theist.

Because claiming this is all here just because when you literally don't even know why we're here, how we got here, how existence started -- that is SUCH A RELIGIOUS-GRADE LEAP OF FAITH LOLOL ATHEISTS ARE THE MOOOOST EVANGELICAL AT THE CORE LOGIC OF IT ALL LOLOL

IN ADDITION

There are UNANSWERED MIRACLES connected to religion that Science cannot simply explain away -- the amount that haven't been disproven is small, but the ones that remain are basically these true mysteries of life (if you don't believe in God)

There is intangible, all-encompassing sychronicity all around us that increases with prayer and devotion to literal God. Once you get past "oh it's just bias" you start to realize God is real.

The ultimate irony is how unexamined the logic of supposed scientific atheists actually is, whereas most theists accept they likely are wrong about many things, including the details of their own faith.

The other thing is Theists like me were born and raised on Atheism and the more objectively and non-God-infused I looked at reality, the more God appeared.

Atheists believe in Athe, the 'being against God'ness. It's not a neutrality - it is a position against God belief.

>>15491186
I don't believe in God but I am not atheist. I see no inherent value in my not believing it's just something stupid that pops up.

God is so all-encompassingly real that you literally don't have to do anything and can continue being an Atheist and you will still likely have a religious epiphany that only increases the more you run from him.

Have a good day. All these are just my opinions. I respect people as atheists I just think there's room to burst the bubble.

>>15491189
Fart in my mouf

>>15488271


Because how in our REAL, NON-THEORETICAL world, can there be room for a philosophy (atheism) that LITERALLY LIVES IN A MAKE-BELIEVE WORLD ("I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD(S) NOR ANYTHING (WHICH IMPLIES I ACCEPT THE INTRICATE NATURE OF REALITY JUST 'HAPPENED' AS IF BY MAGIC [VIA NOT KNOWING TRIGGER OF BIG BANG] IN A WAY THAT IS LITERALLY BLIND FAITH)

ATHEISM IS LITERALLY THEISM

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ATHEISM BECAUSE EVEN NON-BELIEF AT IT'S CORE LEVEL IS ABSURDIST-LEVELS OF BLIND FAITH

>>15491202
*ITS

>>15445002
>Reddit Science
its real name is Hegel's Science

These are not stupid beliefs

/Thread

Eat my birkun bimel

>>15490721
they do that and then they also give themselves personal credit of the discoveries of the tiny minority of successful scientists.
>science discovered antibiotics
>I am a scientist
>therefore I am partially responsible for discovering antibiotics
when the real truth is that one guy did all that work while thousands of failures produced nothing

>>15491602
now make them a tranny and breaking the science

>>15470089
>“Love is just chemicals” + everything we do is just an echo of past evolutionary traits
AKA hedonistic bullshit

>>15445002
>Multiverse
Depends on what you mean. The mathematical multiverse is real.
>AGI (Artificial General >Intelligence)
Real
>Evo Psych
Mostly BS I'm sure, but real in the sense that the psyche was created by evolution
>Imaginary Numbers
They are a human-defined concept like chess. Whether you call them real is up to you
>String Theory
Probably BS, hard to say without actually knowing physics
>Out of Africa Theory
No opinion
>E.T.s
Fake and gay
>Simulation Theory
Fake and gay
>Chaos Theory
Not really sure what this is
>Bi-Cameral Mind
Very likely fake, certainly gay

>>15478110
How can you be so stupid and yet have such oddly specific opinions on a technical topic? You must be Indian

>>15491202
atheism is theism for unrepentant sinners, AKA biblical demons

The Bicameral mind is real and consciousness is an illusion created by language.

>>15492070
Why not? This is how our brain was trained, just like how AI simulates the left brain (ChatGPT) and the right brain (Stable Diffusion). I imagine there will be a development to simulate the corpus callosum to connect all the AIs
Not Indian btw

>>15472594
https://youtu.be/UTLHmbbI8ik

>>15492068
math isn't real

>>15445260

here in Russia we call 'em "complex"

>>15493801
>complex
as in "an emotionally significant idea which causes psychic conflict leading to abnormal mental states or behaviour"

>>15445002
>Imaginary Numbers and chaos theory
Just a tool bro. I don't need to believe in shovels, I can just use them and they work.

>>15445002
Reality is a redditor. Deal with it, chud.

>>15445760
= 0 + 0i

>>15494704
>0i
Not imaginary.

>>15494718
dumbfuck

>>15494795
>1= 1 + 0i
>therefore 1 is an imaginary number
your retarded

>>15476722
Actual retard

>>15494704
That's a complex number

>>15494812
Just because it has no complex part doesn't mean it isn't a part of the set of complex numbers silly :^)

>>15494832
You solved the halting problem? Please share.

>>15494832
Did you forget we haven't figured out what dark matter is quite yet (we just know it is there) so we can't simulate that without compromises, or have you forgotten that we've reached the limit to silicon diodes in terms of making them any smaller, you would still need an entire world brain.

>>15445760
0 = 0i

Ooooooooooooof

>>15452488
>t. coping homosexual

>>15452488
let's hear your cope

>>15445002
>Evo psych.
Bob greenyer?

>>15445041
A multiverse is a massive misunderstanding of certain quantum field theories. To be fair, there's nothing really intuitive about how these theories work, unless you have a rigorous understanding of the fundamentals. Most writers don't, so popsci and scifi tends to go a bit off the rails.
>>15445002
A redditor as compared to what? I'm confused.
> Imaginary Numbers
You don't "believe in" imaginary numbers, you allow them in your modeling problem and separately confirm that data matches your model. You can also explore mathematically what the consequences of allowing them are. It's perfectly valid to omit them if your use case requires it (or extend them, see quaternions).
> AGI
There are strong definitions of what AGI must be (see Hutter 2005). There's a lot of debate around whether specific modern DL approaches (like GPT-n) can actually achieve this, but the definitions are pretty sound.
> all of the other crap
If you "believe" in a theory, or say that you "don't beleive" in it, you are kinda missing the point anyway.

>Out of Africa Theory
has been completely disproved. regardless that, many in the professional cling to it for political correctness reasons

>>15445062
>>15495265
>>15452488
Gay kids are molested because guess what, they are wimpy feminine kids who are easy to recognize and target. Being gay is the cause, not the consequence.
And those who were molested cope and unironically become more masculine and accepted ("straight-passing") while those who werent remain in the "obnoxious princess" state for longer.
T. Gay who was molested and knows the anedoctes of other gays

>>15496656
is bully good for you?

>>15496133
elab

>>15445002
>>Bi-Cameral Mind
Agree with all but this

>>15496842
>>/sci/thread/15471022

>>15445792
>Adams apple

>>15445002
You should have added germ theory to the list

>>15489729
Prove to me scientifically god exists right now you dweeb. Oh you can't? So why do you have any authority over what others get to believe based on its scientific merit? You know the big bang is more of a model than a definitive answer, considering the big bang doesn't at all attempt to explain what was before it. You are a mockery of human intelligence and I pity you.

>>15494832
Please explain how we can find a particle's exact position and velocity, because I guess that's possible now?

>>15498651
>Prove to me scientifically god exists right now
tell me that you know nothing about the scientific method without telling me you know nothing about the scientific method
>namecalling
emotionally triggered, immediate emotional needs overriding rational thinking capability

>>15445041
the universe is evaporating...

>>15453087
You can mod out by any irreducible degree 2 polynomial in R[x] and get a field isomorphic to C.

x^2+1 is convenient because x turns into i.

>>15500139
I can prevent this if you give me all of your money

>>15463606
You are not compelled to sit on 4chan and post retarded nonsense yet you choose to do it anyway. Thus, proving free will.

Free Will doesn't mean Free Action, retards. Will is a mental pooling process. You have the will to give up smoking(there's enough of your mind there to quit smoking), it's not directly associated with action. You fucking retards just kys now.

Bunkun Boop

>>15501198
>Oh, I have the will to quit smoking. I'm just unwilling to do it!
Can't say I expected anything beyond incoherent piffle from a tripfag.

>>15501210
This must be retard humor.

Lick my bootel homo

>>15445002

>>15501249
Typical tripfag cope. Cry about your room temp IQ somewhere else.

It would be easier to make a list of science that isn't Reddit tier

>>15502174
that would be particularly easy because reddit is so censorious, just get a list of all the science thats been censored off of reddit

>>15503320
They do a lot of their censorship via techniques like vote manipulation and shadowbanning, so its not quite that straightforward. Maybe Eglin AFB will leak the list of banned science one day

If you are unable to publicly question a hypothesis
The subscribers to that hypothesis are not scientific, they are dogmatic.
If your hypothesis cannot withstand argument and critique then your hypothesis will not withstand the unrelenting test of time.

>>15445830
>>15445827
Actual answer: there is no evidence for it

>>15445002
General relativity goes on the list. Reddit sºygoy atheists have been programmed to worship Einstein as a substitute for the real god that they disavow

>>15505593
My god told me your god is a little shidding pissboy

>>15505615
>t. emotionally triggered atheist

>>15497907
That was a good thread

>>15459443
>Charles Darwin

You need to go back.

>>15447524
Ok, pseuointellect. Nigger.

>>15507871
the n word is racist.
racism is banned on 4chan outside of >>>/b/ which is where you belong

>>15507871
the n word is racist

>>15445002
>Out of Africa theory
Please provide a credible alternative which explains human evolution, distribution, genetic variation, etc. Otherwise you're just a retarded schizo /pol/tard.

>>15509594
Of out Africa has already been debunked
>>/sci/thread/S15471022
>>15471022

>>15509390
I'm black.

>>15510163
post a timestamped selfie with shoe on head or you're lying

>>15465961
>>15466467
The Sumerians had a character for zero, and so did the Babylonians. Why people claim they didn't "have the concept of zero" despite clearly writing the number zero down in their tally-sheets is a mystery.

>>15510252
because everyone is brainwashed with the same lies and they all have emotional problems that make admitting that they don't know everything about the entire universe virtually impossible, so they choose to belief in outright falsehoods rather than recognizing that they were gullible enough to fall for a lie.

>>15510252
>Why people claim they didn't "have the concept of zero" despite clearly writing the number zero down in their tally-sheets is a mystery.
Because its standard issue USA public school dogma

>>15509594
Humanity evolved outside of Africa

>>15445002
Dark matter & GR have both been proved to be fake, but the IFLS/Reddit crowd still insists that they're real

>>15509390
boohoo, nigger

>>15510163
>i'm above the rules because of my skin color, i'm a super special snowflake
reddit tier af, very pertinent to the thread topic