/sci/ - Science & Math

>tired of the job hunt
>get contacted by another recruiter intent on wasting my time
>entry level position (electrical engineer 1)
>asks me when I can start and my "salary requirements"
>tell him 2 more weeks and my floor is $140k
>never hear from him again
Am I delusional or just blackpilled? You decide.

I would like to hear peoples' opinions on keeping old, "shit job" work experience on my CV/LinkedIn. Specifically, I worked for the mail delivering newspapers at night for a year between high school and university. I'm now a postdoc. Obviously that work experience isn't hugely relevant to what I would like to do in the future and kind of sticks out among the rest of it.

However, one of the biggest problems with my CV in general is that I don't have a huge amount of non-university experience there. It looks a little silly, though there are two internships from when I was an undergrad. I also do feel like that little segment of my life tells that I've had to fend for myself from an early age, even if it took a job that wasn't very glamorous.

I guess what it comes down to is:
>Does having a shit job on my CV count against me in some way
>Does having a shit job on my CV count in my favour in some way
>Given the above, is it preferable to keep that experience in or just axe it?

>>15404911
Delusional

>>15405137
I know, I know. It's just....I'm just not going to work for less than $140k. I KNOW....I'm just...not gonna do it..phhHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>15405164
If you don't need the job then I guess do whatever. Where do you get your money?

Is it still possible now to land a summer internship (for July and August) in AI/data science or anything math/statistics related? Things haven't worked out so far because summer internships aren't a thing in my country, i'm willing to go abroad but just wondered if there was specific websites or companies that employ for summer internships rn.

Engineering has died in the US, it’s an obsolete field in the modern economy. If you want to make money and do a technical job, go into software development, finance, or medicine. If you want to be poor and never own a home choose engineering.

>>15405779
Yeah it's pretty bad, we are getting ate up from both ends.
And we are considered "well-paid" so there is no popular demand for our salaries to go up like there is for wagies.
Upper class will continue suppressing our wages with inflation and H1B while lower class will eat away our buying power with minimum wage increases. Eventually we'll just get fucked and Amazon warehouse workers will be making as much as us, except they'll actually be in a better position because they aren't saddled with tens of thousands of dollars of student loan debt.

Reminder to apply for shit jobs you don't want before applying for the real deal, in order to get interviewing experience. I could have landed my dream job, but I was inexperienced and came off as too insecure in the interview. Now I can't find a job at all. This single failure might have changed my life forever.

stretchy boy

>>15404935
The rule of thumb for CVs is that you should only have relevant experience on it (for the job you're applying for).
Since linkedin is basically a more public CV I'd say it applies there as well.
I don't think it would ever be something that favors you, and while it doesn't count against you, it makes your CV/linkedin less concise, so I personally would opt to leave it out (unless you're postdoc/phd was in logistics or route optimization or something in which case it'd be pretty funny kek)

>>15405661
Absolutely, however the applications are usually really early, so you probably should try some cold calls/emails. Even if your country doesn't have summer "internships" it's not uncommon to have part time student workers.

I don't know if looking abroad would get you very far, I've heard of only one guy who did an internship abroad and that was for a company in his home country but at an office of theirs abroad.

Check for business analytics and finance stuff as well, oftentimes it's similar enough to data science and statistics if not outright the same.

>>15405935
Seconding this.

I didn't get accepted into the aerospace engineering program bros... should I just do mech engineering or reapply next year?

>>15405779
Software engineering is dying too imo. The outlook seems to be the same long term, especially with all the bootcamp people and CS degrees being churned out + gpt
My startup just ran out of runway and now I'm applying for other jobs even though the CEO is like "I'll pay you more stock in the interim".

In this last job I worked with an economist on pricing novel derivatives, I have a patent in signals processing, and I have an undergrad degree in mathematics, so should I pivot to finance or DSP stuff? I feel like I should lean into AI but I want to avoid the tragedy of the commons.

>>15406133
>The rule of thumb for CVs is that you should only have relevant experience on it
Fair enough. To be honest I thought this, but like many people here I'm probably a bit autismal so knowing where to draw the lines in the CV bullshit game is difficult.

>unless you're postdoc/phd was in logistics or route optimization or something in which case it'd be pretty funny kek)
Maybe I'll spin it as "practical work experience with applied route optimization problems in logistics at the performative level"

>>15406133
>The rule of thumb for CVs is that you should only have relevant experience on it
Fair enough. To be honest I thought this, but like many people here I'm probably a bit autismal so knowing where to draw the lines in the CV bullshit game is difficult.

>unless you're postdoc/phd was in logistics or route optimization or something in which case it'd be pretty funny kek)
Maybe I'll spin it as "practical work experience with applied route optimization problems in logistics at the performative level at a major government-serving agency".

>>15404935
I can't give you a general rule but I can give you my experience.

My first job experiences were in 2 tiny no-name companies that no one has ever heard of or will ever hear of. My third job was for a big regional company that everyone around me knows about. My fourth (and current) job is in a F100 corporation that literally everyone will have heard about.

When I was making the switch between my third job to my 4th job I was still applying to jobs listing my first 2 work experience (no name, unimportant companies). One of the companies I interviewed at (not the one I ended up in, but I did get an offer) asked me to give them proof that I had worked in those first two companies and a reference from the company.

Because those two companies were tiny, unimportant, and now I had been in my 3rd company for more time than I had even worked in those first two jobs, I had completely disregarded any records I had that could prove I worked at those companies. As such it was a pain in the ass to find these documents. I have now removed those experiences completely from my CV because honestly they are now too unimportant relative to my current work experience, and I don't want to waste time in the future.

>>15406667
>only have relevant experience on it
Mind you that the threshold for relevancy goes down the more junior you are, fresh grads should fill out as much as possible. But since you're a postdoc you should filter out the less relevant positions and write more about the relevant ones.

>Maybe I'll spin it as
I wouldn't recommend it, it might help getting past HR but then the hiring manager is going to think you're dishonest.

Use the Harvard cv template and guide.

>>15406891
>I wouldn't recommend it
It was a joke.

On a related note, there was some anon's CV on /biz/ a while back which was hopefully not serious but was hilarious. Basically the guy had been a crypto-trading NEET for years and filled his CV with shit like "alternative securities trader" for his crypto gambling, "private security" for housesitting for his parents and similar. If only I could find it...

>>15405935
Take your own advice and don't get overly attached to the idea of one job.
>>15406599
What country are you from? There isn't any real difference between first year mechanical and first year aerospace that I'm aware of, at least not in the US. I would start studying mech and then transfer programs if you can.

As a data guy what kind of resources should I look into to learn a bit more about finance? I don't wanna be mogged by people with memeconomics degrees etc. down the line.

Not saying I necessarily wanna full-on dive into finance, but more of an idea of broadening my horizons so that my knowledge is a bit more diversified

>>15407271
You can get pretty far just by learning the abbreviations, like TCO and NPV and stuff. Most of the concepts are super easy to understand just by knowing what the abbreviations stand for but they obfuscate it with jargon.

Well my undergraduate career has been a perpetual failure.

>>15407431
Anyways, is there anything I can do as a Math major to boost my career prospects post graduation?

>>15407431
that's fairly typical

How useful is an applied math degree?
I've been at community college for 2 years I got into UC Berkeley for applied math for next year, but I'm having cold feet. I feel like I'm making a bad choice, I really am more interested in computer science and electrical engineering, but those are harder to get into a UC with, so I choose a year ago without really thinking that I would just do a math degree and go from there. I do like math and its practical uses but all the theoretical stuff doesn't excite me, and seems like a waste of time in terms of marketable skills doing real analysis or abstract algebra. The alternative is going another year at CC, and transferring to a worse school, likely CSU East Bay or UCSC, but I'd be doing what I actually want to (CS or EE).
I'm just paralyzed by what to do. I feel like either choice I might have regrets about. I guess the biggest question is what doors are opened/closed with either choice. Does a bigger name like Berkeley open doors in the tech world? Does a math degree close doors for lower-level/embdedded fields (currently my interest)? Stuff like data analytics, fiance, or machine learning are also math-heavier fields, but it seems like you'd need a masters/PhD, which I'm not sure I want to commit to. I asked this on /g/ and they all said go to Cal, but maybe theres more math degree people here with a different perspective.

two years into CS degree, looking at courses for the fall.
what really is the difference in computer science and computer engineering? i am under the assumption that CS is entirely software, and computer engineering is more hardware stuff, like a blend of EE and CS.

but does it make any difference? like, if you went for chemistry, i would imagine that you probably would have trouble getting a job as a chemical engineer, but if you went for chem E you could probably get chemistry positions.

is that the same with computer science and computer engineering? looking at the curriculum, one doesn't look all that much harder than the other. is computer engineering just CS but better, or does it not make a difference, or what?

>>15408026
CS is a meme. You'll be working with pajeet niggers if u do software.

>>15407806
It depends on what you want to do within CS/EE.

I'm in my third year of a PhD in EE and am focusing pretty much entirely within the world of systems/ML. You could very easily get into that side of the EE world with an applied math background provided you're will to self-teach some basics of signals and systems and stochastic control/quadratic estimation.

If you are intested in the parts of EE that actually deal with electricity then an applied math degree is far less useful.

>>15408035
i don't want to build facebook or write apps. i want to like, program the guidance systems for missiles, or write bots to automate some system.

i like the problem solving aspect of it. i just want to solve problems for a living. i don't want to build amazon's product page UI, or optimize a bank's customer database.
i think ideally i'd like a job where some contract comes in or whatever and i'm writing some computer vision thing to process satellite images, and then 6 months later writing code to operate the ailerons on a drone, or whatever.

i like solving problems and i want to do different shit. i think working with hardware is cool like in a robot or something but i don't want to actually design a semiconductor assembly line or whatever.

is this realistic? i just get bored doing the same thing every day. i like learning things and solving new problems.
i honestly considered Mech E but i don't think doing CAD all the time would be that compelling.

Anyone here do science consultancy? It seems to be the dumping ground for a decent number of my physics PhD peers who couldn't hack it in academia and I'm about to join those ranks. Might be less soul-draining than the more generic management consultancy and at least tangentially science-related. However I have little understanding of the field. Any input appreciated.

>>15404897
Alright -- 29 year old mechanical engineering grad here. I graduated 3-4 years ago. I fell into a pretty cozy GIS WFH gig with pretty much nothing to do with my degree...but my boss left and the head of the department becamse my new boss and he's a total fucking knob who is outsourcing all my old bosses work to me with no pay raise. I'm thinking my time here is going to be short.

What should I be doing to prepare? Frankly, I fell into this because they hired me and eventually my pay got pretty good for what it was. Learning to code? Buff back up on cad skills of some kind? I never had much of a knack for 3D modeling, was always more computer and equations focused, just did mechE since I fell for the "jack of all trades" meme. I really kind of realized i should have done something like EE too late. I figure if I need to hop into something, I want to have more of a career path.

Isn't it crazy that SVPs will push out their top performers because of their ego complex? Insane, really

>>15404897
Is it even possible to find a job if you fail to get any internships before you graduate?

>Be me
>White male
>passed over for coops
>passed over for internships
>graduate
>all entry level jobs require 2 years experience
>send out applications for 2 years
>get ghosted 98% of the time
>other 2% never make it past first round interview
>finally take shit technician job
>average 30 hrs of overtime per week
>company "promotes" me to "engineer"
>same job just now paid on salary rather than hourly wage - same amount of overtime.
>end up quitting a little under a year in
>spend next 6 months being ghosted again
>get email inviting me to private job fair at defense contractor
>contact them to reserve a spot
>hr emails me back asking me to send an updated resume for them to give to the managers that will be present at the job fair
>send resume
>just received and email earlier today saying that my resume does not match any requirements for any open positions and that my invitation is withdrawn, but feel free to continue applying to open positions on their careers page

Be honest /sci/ is it over for me?

Graduating this summer with a chem phd, are national lab postdocs as fucked as academia? I have been working 7 days a week for years and really need to have some freetime.

>>15408152
apply to everything. even if it says "2 years experience" apply to it. if you cast a wide enough net you'll accidentally get hired eventually.
try not to quit without having another job lined up.
like every day, send out 10 applications or so. do it constantly.

I want to change career after studying medicine (MBBS) as I am too autistic to work with other humans. What are my options?

I think /scg/ is following the same path of decadency as /g/ has. Too many young and unexperienced making propositions of an ideal and perfect career path. "Just change to X and you will make money " without realizing that jobs actually require some type of personality to be bearable and endurable. We just don't have much information about other places of the world to keep talking thread after thread - e.g being a miner / trades person might be good in asia, but not in america / europe, etc..
Too many variables

>>15408152
I had only one summer internship totally irrelevant to what I studied (I’m an engineer the internship was just materials science) and i got a good job after I graduated but it took a whole year (hundreds of applications on LinkedIn)

>>15408152
Also defense contractors love white males, I think your problem is you aren’t applying to enough jobs. You have work experience so internships are irrelevant now. It’s purely a numbers and buzzwords game nowadays

Imagine working here. Sure, you'll probably be a techy or a glorified meat calculator, but nukes are cool.

Should I list my ability to use a slide rule as a skill on my resume?

how do i use my CS degree to slay pussy? the only women at my work are not the type of women i want to be in the same building with, let alone the same bed. undergrad taught me how to make my code dry but not how to get my dick wet.

>finished doctorate in astrophysics
>experience with gpu programming and hpc clusters, bayesian stats and a bit of ML/AI made models for exoplanets in my thesis
>realize i would rather kms than become a professor or teach
>in 1st postdoc position now, the work is okay in my field, kinda want to leave motivated in part by shit pay
>not entirely sure what to go for, looked into national labs for nuclear weapons development/stockpile stewardship, aligns with my skillset and seems fun
>both los alomos and LLNL have open roles but i was told they're hard to secure unless you go through a postdoc
anyone work at national labs have any advice on these open roles or working there? i applied to one open spot last year but never heard back
thanks for reading by stemcel blog

I kinda want to do a physics PhD. Talk me out of it

>>15407806
go to cal but you'll need to do a lot of legwork yourself, the math dept there is really good but its r1 and they dont care much for teaching and even less for teaching sub120iq. you get a degree from there with decent grades and pick a specality with an intership and make good connections you'll be golden no matter what happens
graduated cal physics/astro in 2015 but took a lot of extra math courses

I just want to be the guy who puts powerlines up
what do?

>>15409267
also evans hall is a pile of shit and depressing, spend as much time outside of that building as you can, make some friends with astro undergrads who have access to a 5th floor computer lab with views of the golden gate bridge
congrats on being accepted, and yes names of unis do matter, its how i got into my grad program

>>15409254
What branch of physics?

>>15409254
Think about what kind of job you want. No matter what the answer is, a phyiscs PhD won't really help you. If you really want to do it, learn other, more applicable skills on the side.

>>15409235
>current postdoc at a national lab
Just apply, try to find something you're interested in and have skills for. Nothing to lose in applying.
Not sure I'm a good reference though, I got in as a non-american because my PhD trained me on some rare and unique equipment

>>15409285
Nuke or particle
>>15409295
A graduate degree seems to genuinely open doors a physics BS doesn't based on the job postings I've looked at

>>15409303
you can do just a masters. if you want to get into the industry, masters is exactly what you need. I've talked to a physics PhD and he said that, while he does not regret doing a PhD, it didn't help him one bit in the industry and that I should do a masters after my bsc but nothing more.
I've actually heard rumors that companies avoid contacting PhD resume applicants because they might request a higher salary than the company is willing to pay.

>>15409303
I assume you're in the US so I can't comment on how many doors the physics PhD opens. Here in Germany, physics is a dead-end road and you're lucky to get a job outside of consulting(read: temp work), as me and all my friends had to suddenly realize. It's like hitting a brick wall in full sprint. So make sure you have a good overview over the kinds of jobs you'd qualify for with your field of expertise before starting, and read up on extra skills you might need to learn, then you should be fine.

>>15409303
>nuke
Of all the physicists you will be the most boring and least sociable. Nobody enjoys nuke work or nuke people but it is a career.
>particle
Enjoy working in physics that every other physicist is desperate to disprove. Lose faith when the standard model holds up yet again. Recognise that your research doesn't impact anyone ever, not even your colleagues.
If that's not enough then realise you are fated to either waste your time in theory that nobody will ever read or go experimental and be one of at least 200 names on a research paper. If you want to continue a particle physics career you must accept that you are competing with 300 better qualified pajeets and 100 chinese for every single job.

>>15409324
What part of German physics PhD is a dead end? I'm guessing it's German university jobs not being available. Just confused as I work with a lot of Germans in physics, all outside Germany, and I know a lot of people who have gone to work in German research institutions.

>>15404911
That’s the floor for someone with a PE and 5 years XP

>>15409349
I don't consider positions in public research 'jobs', because they are only ever temporary. I was talking exclusively about industry. As far as I've heard, places at public research institutes are also ever harder to come by and only temporary as well.
Generally, nobody needs a physics PhD, especially in Germany. There is no industry to speak of that could use them, partially because there is no real industry to speak of at all in this shithole of a country. They need EE's, MechE's, some chemists at BASF, CS guys for software and maybe mathematicians in the finance sector. You're only ever going to get a job as a Physicist if they are desperate to find ANYONE, and depending on the position, you won't even learn any transferable skills. Like, if I went and worked at thin film coating firms (my area of expertise), I wouldn't learn anything I could use outside of the <10 companies in the country who do that kind of stuff, because I'm not a real engineer.
You can do patent law, but the wages in that sector are just going down steadily and it's become very hard to establish yourself as a partner.
You can become an actuary, but then you'd compete with actual mathematicians. Depending on your field, you don't even know any statistics. It's not part of my curriculum, for example, and I never used it during my research work.
Something that is sometimes touted as a last option is being a teacher. Not an option in Germany unless you had a minor in university or go back for a second degree and even then you need some years of work experience IN YOUR FIELD (which doesn't exist, as I've said).
To add to all of this, the amount of physics PhD's that leave university rises each year, despite there not being any demand. I would certainly advise anyone studying physics in Germany to switch the field while they can.
Sorry for the wall of text, but this is my current view of the situation as someone who started a PhD out of desperation because I couldn't find a real job.

>>15409385
Ah that makes a lot more sense. Tragic that physics industry is in such a state.

>>15404911
You're going to have to put your knowledge into something of your own to make big bucks. While the American market is recovering, there are still a bunch of cop out cheap fucks that will pay less and less for more advanced and advanced work, with the goal of furthering their CEO paycheck and giving a fuck about the research aside from having it be money talk, which it is NOT

IT boy here

>>15404935
In my opinion it shows what you've been through to survive, so it's good to have it on there. Keep it for life.

>>15405190
>Where do you get your money?
Dog what are you asking this man? cease and desist my scientific man

>>15406625
AI wars are what's next, I guarantee it, followed by recovery of satellites and services affected by obscene levels of processing power. CounterAI-AI is going to be a good field. Who the fuck wants their data mined? Then Counter-CounterAI-AI, and showing up at the door of whoever is using a GPT bot to mine my data for truckloads of money doing jackshit.

Tools were invented to make life better.

I literally don't have a chance at getting hired anywhere, or for anything.

My college's career center has been straight up ignoring me for every online appointment I make. They just never show up and never respond to my emails.

>>15409664
Same. Sadly, that's how it works in STEM

No idea how you people struggle to land a job, I get recruiters 1-3 times a week in my inbox asking for an interview or just straight up giving me an offer.

>be me
>live & study in pic related
>not in their "Grandes Ecoles" system

Is it already over?

>>15408614
I was scheduled to interview here and backed out when they told me it was a 3 hour interview with 1 hour presentation. I'd like to work here for the cool research and tech, but I'm not preparing a 1 hour powerpoint and sitting through 3 hours of questions. I'd do that for a 200k+ job, but not for a national lab.

im drowning and i need help and i cant find any ahhhh

>no stem fields pay well anymore
well what now? Everyone says to move to tradies but they're going to go in the same direction too

>>15410111
If you're worried about being paid well or not instead of getting a job at all, you don't have real problems.

Any anons have experience with MD PhD? I feel a strong urger to do research and contribute to generalizabie knowledge for humanity, but I also want to be a comfy clinician in a family practice. Time is no object I love school. I guess I'm just concerned it's going to take me forever to get into a program and I'll get burnt out. Maybe I should do a PhD first then medical school? Vice versa?

>>15409914
Cool! What for?

>>15409720
i don't even know what that means but i'd never hire a frenchman out of principle anyway.

>muh low paying jerbs
>muh no jerbs

thats because you sniveling faggots look down your nose at the idea of designing toilets or air conditioners. there is plenty of engineering work to do that pays well. you guys all want to be tony fuckin' stark and work for space x or super cool robot corporation instead of one of the gorillion boring ass design firms out there.

>>15410230
I'm not an engineer. I made the large mistake of studying physics and nobody stopped me from ruining my life.

Exact same copypasta from the previous thread

"Bioengineer" here
It's over niggas literally no jobs unless you get a masters/phd
I just want a comfy wage making drugs too expensive for normal patients to even dream of affording them

>>15410428
I would feel bad for you but I live in Boston and I can't toss a rock without hitting a bio/pharma company.

Meanwhile I'm in physics where there are no jobs even if you get a PhD and a postdoc.

>>15405779
You just have to be a belieber that a future administration brings back the manufacturing jobs & starts a campaign to fix all of the infrastructure.

>>15410428
>no jobs unless you get a masters/phd
my nigga that shit BIN known fr smdh

>>15408026
CompE is more versatile, you can do all of CS stuff but the reverse is not true. Some examples are designing digital circuits, a deeper understanding of computer architecture, and a lot of experience in embedded systems. In most programs you’ll also get a better math background with signals and systems/DSP/controls which CS undergrads don’t touch.

>>15410428
ya no shit that's always been the case with bio-anything. bio/medical engineering is too spread out of an interdiscipline, good if you w ant to get into med school but bad if you want to have any useful knowledge with just a bachelors

>>15409914
>>15408614
They're paying me 160k after that interview process. I didn't think it was so crazy since each of the 4 interviews was for a different project.

Also, 160+benefits is not horrible for a scientist. If I was being hired for engineer I'd want 200k minimum.

Are CE/EE relatively safe from AI in the foreseeable future?

>>15410773
You should be 99% safe with CE

>>15406625
sounds like you've had interesting career. gl

>>15410649
yeah I guessed
Gonna do a masters in virology and a PhD in oncology/pharmacology and that's that
Med isn't for me too much work and not enough free time and I could make similar amounts just selling cell products or overpriced drugs

I'm jumping into a completely new industry that I know nothing about because the offer is good. Will be working at a refinery as part of the reliability engineering team. have a degree in EE. Any insight into what my potential career paths are from this? I'm trying to figure out where I want to be 5 years from now but I'm not sure what you do with this kind of exp.

>>15409385
>You can do patent law, but the wages in that sector are just going down steadily and it's become very hard to establish yourself as a partner.
Source? It does sound depressing. And it has always been hard to get partnership, there always are some companies that prevaricate and effectively do not take uyp new partners, just so that they can keep the profit to themselves. That is damaging over time, as there is no new generation to take over the company.

>Sorry for the wall of text, but this is my current view of the situation as someone who started a PhD out of desperation because I couldn't find a real job.
I was there too, but got a job in the end.

>>15409399
>Tragic that physics industry is in such a state.
Do we have any reliable statistics where physicists end up? I heard roughly 20 percent end up in finance, about the same end up in management consulting, but I am not sure about these figures.

>>15404897
LinkedIn is fake and gay.
All my jobs I have found from glassdoor, indeed, or looking up the companies. If those don't work, the many fucking pajeets will spam call me or email about a job but they'll never tell. So I google the area where the job is and do some research and either apply on the company website or last resort talk to them on LinkedIn.

Been doing data analytics the last few years for various government agencies. Starting to specialise in operations research analysis. Are there any online communities/resources for people in that particular field?

Also some general advice would be good. I don't have a STEM degree (I have an honours law degree) but that seems to be the hang up when I apply for jobs, or when I'm contacted by recruiters. I don't know if there's something wrong with me or if it really is a legitimate barrier to entry these days. People who have never worked a day in their life are doing the BA -> MBA -> Consultant pipeline and flooding the floors of government agencies with their faggot white label solutions while being hailed as tech gurus but I can barely get an interview for data analyst roles because I don't have a fucking degree? I just don't understand all the social nuances of it and it's really starting to piss me off.

>>15411897
Yeah the job postings on linkedin are bullshit, I don't really look at them either.
But the platform is nice because recruiters find you easily, I only ever accept the message requests if I'm trying to get a raise at my job or if they have big tiddies.
I don't know why so many tech recruiter girls have such massive milkers, but I get off on having HR sloots feign interest in me during job screenings and interviews, they have to laugh at my jokes and act all nice and cheerful it's great.

>>15409720
>Is it already over?
It is mor elike it will never begin. You have to get out of France soon. A French acquaintance had to leave France because it was becoming too woke and he couldn't stomach it anymore.

What should I do if i like the process of optimizing stuff and working on a computer? Some kind of test engineering?

>>15412370
optimizing what? industrial engineering is the answer usually

working on a computer? that's every fucking engi job

>>15412380
I dunno, optimizing any kind of process. I don't want to design, I just want to look for bottlenecks and stuff adjust other peoples designs to run more efficiently.

>working on a computer? that's every fucking engi job
I wish, there are plenty of more field work engineering jobs where your computer time is basically just writing reports/proposals.

>>15412404
Process engineer, manufacturing engineer, industrial engineer, CI Engineer, project engineer

>>15412370
Your question is too unspecific retard. Could be anything from operations research to supply chain analyst to handling returns at a warehouse.

>>15408069
Sounds like you're an EE kinda guy

How hard is it to get accepted to CS masters after a physics undergrad?

I'm a physics undergrad who wants to work in software. I'm in my 2nd year and I don't want to pursue physics after graduation. I'm in a research group working with ML, and doing data projects on the side.
Would doing a CS masters save me? (in europe) How hard is it to get accepted? Should I just went for an industry dev job?
I'll try to get as many CS related courses in my remaining time.

Other option is to switch my major to EE on a worse (slightly) university though. I'm currently in the best university of my country studying physics, but I don't think it matters.
Thanks in advance

>>15412773
masters in any STEM field are fuck easy to get into, because you have to pay them. even Harvard masters is a joke. (this is the US perspective)

>>15412409
I graduated with a degree in one of these and now I am an engineering technician in metrology. I feel so fucking clueless and mogged by all the mechanical/electrical engineers around me who know how to actually make shit. I have all their basic skills but I just don't trust myself to make things that doesn't immediately break, since my background knowledge is in statistics and operations research, not material mechanics and hydraulics. Am I just in the wrong environment to feel smart or do I need to get good?

>>15413099
You don't pay for the masters here. Not the tuition at least. I guess CS and physics are not that far off if I can take a lot of CS lectures in undergrad..

How hard is the GRE?

>>15413109
Not very. It doesn't even matter anymore though. They have started ignoring it since Indians and Asians keep acing it.

>>15413109
general GRE is easy. i spent 1week studying and got 90th percentile in the essay/math/english categories.

I graduated in May 2022.
I've job hopped 4 times and I've already more than doubled my salary from my first job.
I don't know where to go from here. I'm probably about at the upper limit of what I can reasonably expect as a guy with no real experience. I guess now is when you're just supposed to sit down and start working for the next 5 years but that feels wrong somehow.

>>15412773
>How hard is it to get accepted to CS masters after a physics undergrad?
Another Europoor here. First, check out the requirements.
Then, try to include as many relevant courses to your current degree, assuming that you will be using your bachelor's degree studies as a basis for your application. If the application requires a CV, try to include all relevant work experience to it (The ML research group sounds good to me).
>How hard is it to get accepted?
Probably depends on the country. In my country compeition is quite hard, as it's one of the most popular options. Having a good gpa won't hurt.
>Would doing a CS masters save me?
Really depends on the software firm, some recruitment managers, appreciate skills above a degree, others may ignore your application if you don't have a relevant degree. The latter group consists usually of people with little knowledge in osoftware development.

>>15412773
I don't know about non consequitve master's programs, but getting a software job in europe isn't a problem with a STEM degree IF you can show that you have the skills. You'll definitely get interviews, everything else is up to your skills.
How do I know? I'm currently trying to get into swe with a physics master's in Germany. I have an interview invitation rate of 80%, but I don't have any convincing skills or experience, so it hasn't worked out yet.

>>15413763
>>15413675
thanks for this answers. I was kind of freaked out for no reason I guess. Studying physics was a mistake

>>15413895
>Studying physics was a mistake
You can say that again...

Why do so many professors have their own website? They are very weird often.

>>15404897
I'm graduating undergrad next year and my major is molecular and cellular biology and my GPA right now is like a 3.3. I was premed but I'm probably going to give that up because I'm too fucking stupid and my executive functions are terrible. I have been contemplating suicide because that is really all I wanted to do. Idk what to do

>>15412773
I know that here in Sweden they're pretty liberal with the requirements for master programs, as long as you have had at least x credits within compsci/programming and y amount of math credits (varies from university to university but can be as low as 20 something ECTS)

>>15414116
Don't be so hard on yourself, and try to avoid tunnel vision vis-a-vis careers. I'm in a similar path as you, and there are plenty of other options beside being a doctor. For one you could do human health research. PhD programs are a lot more forgiving than med school, and 3.3 is not bad at all for something dense like molbio. That said, you should definitely give yourself a break after undergrad before you burn out. There's no rush.

Am I the only one here in agriculture?

I'm graduating soon with a bachelors in plant genetics & biotechnology. Can anyone with a similar background tell me a little about career options? My city has a lot of biotech companies, but mainly focused on human health. I'm mainly planning to work in a research lab before pursuing a PhD, but I'd like to know how easy it would be to sell my soul to Monsanto if need be.

>>15414347
Agricultural statistics.

How important are cover letters? I can send out applications without them much faster than I thought. They seem like a huge waste of time for me. Do employers really care if you have one?

>>15414392
Little to nothing in my experience, but depends on the field too. For consulting it's pretty important I've heard

>>15414455
How about for software?

>>15414392
They're a formality, people won't really read them. You cover that content multiple time in an interview, CV and research statement, so it's unnecessary. Still, a hoop for you to jump through to get a job.

>>15414461
I work on the statistics ("data science") side of things for a software company, and my cover letter was just 3 paragraphs repeating stuff from my CV.

>>15414470
Did you use the same letter verbatim for applications?

>>15414470
I had two versions of the last paragraph one for tech companies and one for consulting firms but other than that they were verbatim yeah

>>15414392
>>15414498
with chatgpt does itr even matter anymore? yeah they pointless but now that you can probably make a full, unique, custom one for each position in 1 minute rather than 10, you might as well

anyone doing utilities work? figured I'd ask again after a few weeks. I've got a chance to leave manufacturing (oil & gas controls engineer) to working at a utility company focused on substation design and protection and controls. It sounds incredibly comfy.. mostly office work with maybe 10, 20% driving around to substations to make sure contractors aren't fuckin up

>>15414621
I'm literally doing the exact opposite of you right now. Going from substation design for a utility to a much higher paid oil and gas controls position.

>>15414659
do tell.. why are you looking to leave the utility? how long have been in utilities? anything good you can share? I've been doing manufacturing for 12 years now and I just find myself on call so much - unless I get a full on design role I will always be supporting production, and when production goes down they call the controls guy first. The substation job I applied for sounds so much more chill. less pay, but hey - I'm coming from O&G, and I also have no life with this job.

>>15414724
I'm going to a downstream position and it's just supposed to be a regular 9-5 job. I'm switching because it's an instant $35k raise and they painted me a pretty picture about my career advancement. Utility might be the better long-term play, but I'm old and graduated in my 30s so I'm trying to play catch up and get as much money as fast as possible.

>>15414724
>>15414734
Do you have your PE? Get your PE as soon as you can and you'll make bank in utilities. They will support you they want you to have one.

>>15414734
understood - good luck. can you tell me anymore about your utilities role - what was your day to day like? were you focused on anything specific at the substation level, or just all of it?

>>15414738
No, it was never pushed on my and PE isn't really needed in school. what does making bank in utilities look like? I've got 12 yrs of experience in engineering (not in utilities of course) and they are throwing $120k at me, and I have no idea if that's good or not. it's less than what I make now but not by much. MCOL on the East Coast USA

>>15414750
I did modeling of the distribution system, load-flow studies, short-circuit fault analysis. Analyzing the network and planning future expansions. 90% of the time sitting in the office making drawings, occasionally traveling to substations. $120k sounds very good but I live in flyover land. From what I've seen simply having your PE is usually worth a $20k-30k salary increase in that industry.

First paper published. What next?

Anybody here work at an HFT firm? Whats the wlb like?

>>15414116
could always be a dentist/optometrist/podiatrist/etc if you like the medical field.

>>15414785
get a real job

god I just want to be something more than a technician. I genuinely want to learn things and create things but all I can get are stupid jerkoff procedure-following walking-around-in-circles jobs. I thought an engineering degree was the way to become an engineer but nope it's hopeless

>>15415190
>I thought an engineering degree was the way to become an engineer

lol the first thing i learned about new engineering degrees is that they're basically a learner's permit to be an engineer. Most graduates are fucking hopeless out the gate because they haven't been exposed to protocol and standards nearly as much as they should have in school. I'm a tech with an engineering degree and think those types of roles should be much more readily available to new grads as they represent the actual skill level of someone with their freshly minted degree. In general, one should learn how to take instructions before giving their own, which is exactly what the value of being a tech is. Just spend your time learning on the side and growing where you can. One day we'll make it.

>>15415190
This is why IIT is the best university in the world!

>>15415252
>In general, one should learn how to take instructions before giving their own

Of course. I 100% agree.

>which is exactly what the value of being a tech is

I certainly want this to be true but I'm a tech and all I do is follow procedures that are like
>put the square block in the square hole :)
>put the triangle block in the triangle hole :)
>take out the bolt (lefty loosy, righty tighty)

There's no problem solving. The only "problems" I have to "solve" are situations where I don't know which buttons to press in what order so I have to go ask one of the other guys who does so he can tell me "no you press this button THEN this button" and now I know.

So, uhhh, what am I learning? If I was looking at an engineering position in the same company I'd be gaining knowledge of the machine, I guess... but what if I'm not? All my "knowledge" is just knowledge of the proprietary machines my company uses and literally no other company uses.

What do I say in a job interview at another company when they ask me about what I learned?
"well, uhhh, I can tell you exactly how to do all these procedures on this one totally irrelevant machine"

>>15414785
Do another one, repeat until your die or retire

So how hard is the FE exam

>>15414785
literally publish OR perish!!>>15415364

>>15415632
It’s not hard in that the problems are hard. The PE and FE are 90% time management and look up skills. If you can ctrl+f through the PDF handbook they give you like a pro, you’ll pass no prob. If you do pass, immediately take the PE.

>>15407271
>As a data guy what kind of resources should I look into to learn a bit more about finance?
Consider getting your employer to fund your MBA studies. A friend of mine did this.
>I don't wanna be mogged by people with memeconomics degrees etc. down the line.
Macro people have all kinds of degrees, inclusing maths and physics. Macro Man has his profile here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cameron-crise-41a7a05b
>Not saying I necessarily wanna full-on dive into finance, but more of an idea of broadening my horizons so that my knowledge is a bit more diversified
If you are in data of any kind, you are meant to get into management, preferably before you are 40.

This is going to be a little long winded, anyhow.
Got my masters and am currently working as a railway signalling engineer in europe.
I've done both the tech-side of the work as well as the management/project leader role.

I thought I'd like the project leader role as I'm a social normie in some ways but I just hate being reliant on other people. I don't have any passion for engineering, it feels like I waste away most of my day at the office. I'm probably just the lazy type.
If I switch back to the tech-role, I'll have more freedom and salary, but I don't care much for the job.

Do any of you keep at your jobs without having any real passion for it? How is that working out for you?

>>15407806
>>15409267
you're in a community college and about to reject uc berkely? for what reason?

>>15415958
he wants an EECS degree, and iirc that dept is SUPER impacted at cal so there's no way he'll be able to transfer in.

Can anyone tell me about interships for PhD students? What sorts of companies want PhD students as interns? Are they hard to get?

>get put through extremely assholeish interview process
>get rejected
>1 year later i'm making significantly more than they were offering
>they are still posting ads all over trying to find someone for their shitty little position
jajajaaa
JAJA. JAJAJAJAJJAJAJAAA
This is what happens when you promote an autist to the management level. They get hyper butthurt that you don't know everything about their pet tech obsession from 1987 and convince themselves that no one can possibly do the job and a year later they're still looking for someone. This is why you always promote normies to management and keep autists in the trenches where they belong.

>>15416609
I don't have an answer to your question, but I did an internship while doing my masters, and one of the other interns was a PhD student despite the internship program being intended for master's students. So you could probably apply for a regular internship too and just do tasks that are at the PhD level instead.

>company is asking me to give my university log-in credentials on a third party website so that they can verify my education
what the fuck?

>>15416048
all the schools in the bay are impacted out the ass for STEM degrees. I'm glad I went years ago, when it was impacted but not at this level. Competition is insane to get in, can't imagine how hard it gets to get your classes for the semester.

>>15416825
don't do it. they should only be asking for your uni email at first then verifying with transcripts later or something

>>15416881
Why would they even ask me to do this? Surely they realize how sketchy this seems? To me it puts the entire company into question.

>>15416955
Might just be a scam.

I'm starting the sixth year of my phd and just got data that totally wiped out my thesis project. All my side projects up to this point also led to nowhere. Faggot advisor wont let me graduate if I don't publish, and he won't let me submit negative data for publication because of his h-index probably. Should I just master out? Fuck this shit dedicated my 20's to nonsense.

>>15417046
>sixth year
Finish it. Consider taking a lighter workload and doing other things, but if you're only a publication away, just scrape something together and get the piece of paper

>>15417053
wish I could but I need the PI to sign off on it. I'll see if I can convince him next time we meet but I'm such an autist I don't know how to approach the subject without pissing him off

>>15417046
>Faggot advisor wont let me graduate if I don't publish
What's the point of having 'PhD' next to your name if you are not able to publish a good paper. Kinda like being a lawyer who can't lie.
>he won't let me submit negative data for publication
I agree that papers with negative data should be admissible so that they become part of common knowledge, but I personally would not award a PhD for NOT discovering something new.
>Should I just master out?
That's on you, my man. If I had put in 6 years into this BS I'd definitely try to finish it because otherwise you spent 6 years for nothing. I know this is the sunk cost fallacy but fallacies have a reason for constantly being part of human thought.

Some people take 8 years doing their PhDs. You've got 2 more years to find out something meaningful enough to publish and graduate. All things considered, it's not that hard to get a PhD. Just prove something minor.

>>15416609
Do you mean doing an internship during a PhD or working as in intern during a secondment

>>15417068
I mean doing an internship during a PhD

>>15417046
Holy fuck I would just rope in the lab at school and make sure he's the one who finds your body.

>>15404897
I love coming here and seeing so many people doing EE, being outnumbered 2-1 up to 10-1 by every other career in my uni sometimes makes me feel like I chose wrong (still, I'd love it regardless).
Do you think there is a correlation between coming here and doing EE?

>>15417225
Never really heard of that being a thing. You work full time, all year, as a PhD student so not a lot of time to moonlight on an internship. French opinion though, might be different in other countries.

Saw what IMO gold medalists are up to. Majority off them don't have tenure, and haven't contributed anything significant.

>>15417004
I did it.
It just went to the next screen and said thank you you are now connected and nothing else happened.
I just gave some weird website that barely shows up on google my university log-in credentials.
I've never heard of getting your degree verified like this. I guess you give your password to some pajeet in India who then logs in to your university account, looks through your stuff, then tells the company that you indeed have a degree?
This is bizarre.

>>15417445
I hope you didn't fill in any passwords.

>>15417595
Yes. user ID + password

>>15417445
>wow /sci/ this looks really suspicious it could totally be a phishing scam
>okay, putting my creds in, loo dee doo...
>huh, nothing happened. hope I didn't get phished.

>>15417366
>Do you think there is a correlation between coming here and having autism?

Any field service engineers here who work for ASML/Nikon?

>thought my masters thesis would be cool and innovative
>no one did something similar
>work hard on it for half a year
>just today found out some research lab published a paper with all the code for it a month ago doing exactly what I was doing but more
>now my thesis will be a knock off of that paper
Yeah I think I don't want to do PhD after all

how to cope with the inevitability that no matter what I do, AI will take my job and make me homeless in 5 years at max?

As a Chemistry bachelors, can I count my 2 years of various chem labs as work experience?

>>15418032
Chem labs as a part of your degree, no. Chem lab volunteering or internships, yes.

>>15417445
It was an IQ test and you did not qualify it.

>be me, graduated in IE
>go to work at a company of mostly engineers, but I'm literally the only IE
>everyone else has a degree in ME or EE
>don't really know shit about either, my knowledge of ME is approximately at the associate's level and EE is beyond me
>want to learn more about ME so I can contribute even a little to projects

What should I do to get good at mechanical engineering? I'm just kinda nosing in on conversations to figure out what types of things would be useful to know, but a lot of it is jargon. Shim this, leveling plate that. I don't think I'll need to be an ME, but I want to know how to design basic things, use the machines, know how to build things that can actually move and not break, etc. Most of my skills are in excel and CAD, which is a start I guess.

>>15409271
Look for a lineworker college program or apprenticeship.

>>15417654
Yes, me. What do you want to know. I feel like I have answered your questions in these threads on 3 separate occasions already.

>>15417366
>They fell for the EE meme.

>>15418629
EE is the best engineering degree.
It has the versatility of mechanical but the ceiling of a niche degree like chemical or petroleum.
It also offers a much easier pathway to software if you want to chase the FAGMAN stuff.

>>15418687
>Coping this hard

>>15418687
EE isn't bad by any means, but it's nearly always a suboptimal choice.

It is undoubtedly versatile, however you will never use the full breadth of your education. Oftentimes you end up spreading yourself too thin, and even if you go into software engineering you miss out on the specialized software courses and electives that give you specific domain knowledge. Sure you know how to code, but with a generic EE degree you don't have direct experience with NNs, HPC, BD, etc.

There's a very good reason why many universities call their programs "Electrical and Computer Engineering" (or something to that effect), because that specific niche of working with (or near) computer hardware makes sense for EEs to not just be a jack of all trades and master of none without any additional employability.

Furthermore, look at the older professors at different universities and their educational backgrounds. A lot of them studied EE, but ended up as professors in SE/CS, ME, EM, management, etc. Compare these with the younger faculty members and professors, who instead have much more specific degrees as their background. Back in the day EE was a catchall for everything from circuitry to RF to software engineering, but as the fields have become more advanced it's no longer as generally applicable.

Most people would be better off choosing either a specialized form of EE such as ECE or going into a general but more focused program like SE/CS. The exception being of course if you know that you really want to work with digital circuits or the like.

>>15418760
>5 paragraphs to say "EE is broad"
No shit, that's what the versatility part was about.
>You will never use the full breadth of your education
True of literally every single possible degree you can get.
You are shaped by your job more than your education. If you want to specialize further that's what grad school is for.

>>15418601
You don't even know who you are responding to dumbass I've never asked that question here. I am one aswell i was just wondering.

>>15404897
>fresh EE graduate with no relevant experience
How boned am I?

>>15419010
Ok, talk to me like that again and next time I see you in the fab I'm droppin ya

>>15419017
literally do some projects and get a shitjob on the side for cash to fund it. employers will see that you give a shit about your field. then ask around and get your nepo on

>>15419041
>do some projects
He's an EE not some software cert shitter. Literally just shotgun applications and someone will hire you.

>>15410428
Bioengineering here as well. It’s still possible to switch. Seen it a few times. I am doing data engineering and taking cse/ee courses for my masters. There are ways out. Will agree though this degree is kind of a waste of time.

I will finish my masters soon and will have to apply for jobs / phd positions for the first time in my life.
How do you manage to get the timing right? Lets assume I apply to ten different positions, and have a mental list ordering them by how much I would like to get it. Even if I could send out all the applications at the same time, the responses will probably come back with weeks if not months in between. So let's say I get accepted for the position I liked the least and have to sign the contract before I even got any responses from the ones I liked the most. If I do it, I would be disappointed when I get accepted into the others, if I don't I'm potentially unemployed because I don't get accepted by anyone else and if I tell them I need to wait an unknown timespan my future employer would immediately know that he is not my first choice.
How to resolve this issue?

>>15418769
The point is that it's TOO broad you illiterate nigger. Unless you already know that you're going to study EE at the grad level then you're wasting way too much time and shooting yourself in the foot. There is no grad program other than EE that would benefit from an EE undergrad more than an undergrad in something like applied math.

>>15419431
You pit them against each other and delay your responses to the least preferred options.

As soon as you get an offer from one of the less preferred ones then you contact the ones you like more and say that you're in several recruitment processes right now and ask for them to speed up the time line. This is very common when dealing with recruiters, they'll often ask for it as well.

Then just wait a day when responding to the ones you're not stoked about and respond asap to the ones you prefer. It'll take a bit longer to get responses back from the ones you wait with responding to, but this will even out the time between responses a bit.

>>15404897
What STEM careers, industry ONLY, is the closest to dealing with profitable black magic?

>>15408614
>Yet another federal lab filled with fags and welfare queens who produce nothing
Once you look at the big picture LLNL and the Berkeley lab lose all credibility and luster imo

>>15420372
Ultra high resolution mask aligners.

>>15420399
So Semiconductor fab? Can a Burger work at TSMC?

>>15420402
>So Semiconductor fab?
That, yes, or a company making these.
>Can a Burger work at TSMC?
Not sure, but they prefer people with a PhD. At the leading edge, the processes are not stable and need a lot of hand holding to work. Yield rates are top secret but most likely low. Expect long hours and more emergency calls than for medical staff in the slum.

>>15420402
They have job postings in Arizona

>>15419538
Yeah you are shooting yourself in the foot by getting one of the most marketable and highly compensated degrees. What are you even talking about man? You sound genuinely ignorant about everything. Sounds like you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

>>15420402
>Can a burger work at TSMC?
Yes but it isn't likely. They prefer to bring over chinks for all the important roles and you will need to have a special snowflake to get hired on as an American.
Working in the fab sucks dick btw, you want a role where you stay in the office, and you aren't likely to get those.

>>15420794
>Working in the fab sucks dick btw
What's shitty about it?

>internship position
>Please provide three examples of accomplishments that highlight your exceptional ability (e.g., products you shipped, projects you delivered on). Provide technical detail and use quantitative metrics to describe impact.
what the fuck

>>15421529
ur taking the words too literally my man, just think of three things and make some shit up lol, and come up with a short presentation for one of those things for the interview

>>15404911
Truckers get 150k lmoa

>>15420814
On call 365

>>15420814
How does being in a clean suit for 12 hours sound with an army of robots constantly over your head, shitty yellow lighting that gives you a headache, and constantly whirring sounds

>BSEE -> MS optical sciences -> physics PhD
Is this a valid path? Can it be done?

>>15421658
>valid path
>PhD
no

>>15407179
I found the CV in question

>>15421965
While I was digging around, found something else.

Ever been sick between kindergarten and professorship? Then I'm afraid you're NGMI anon. Ever received a mark lower than A? It's all over I'm afraid.

>>15421976
KEK

>>15421658
What do you want to do your physics PhD in? It's a very broad field. With your plans I'd say you want to do something very applied and experimental (and if not then you're entirely off course).

I work in a physics field where optics/engineering knowledge is used on a daily basis. Most physicists are pretty bad at this, myself included, and you end up with some very retarded contraptions. So there's usually room for someone who actually knows best practice in groups focused on developing advanced setups. Very many such setups incorporate custom optics and electronics, and there's a lot of fun you can have with that skillset.

The flip side is that you'd have to be very careful about what you expect to get out of a physics PhD. Engineering/optics is employable by itself, and the physics PhD might not add too much value there. If you want to be in academia, you're very much shooting yourself in the foot by pursuing a PhD in a field that you don't have much formal training or background in. And physics research has a rather large amount of background. You'd be at serious risk of being basically an underpaid lab tech with little hope of figuring out physics projects of your own. Being pigeonholed into a role/skillset distinct from those around you is also pretty bad for developing skills, ideally you'd like to be surrounded by and learn from people around you with more experience rather than being designated as the one guy who should know how this works from day 1.

I'm a bit bad at articulating this, but I guess the gist of it is that a physics PhD might not make you a better engineer or much of a physicist, so tread carefully.

Incidentally, I think you might enjoy this book.

>>15422055
Cool. So what field do you work in? And what research do you specifically do?

>>15422072
I work in optoelectronics, studying novel semiconductor materials and mostly do this via optical spectroscopy.

>>15420792
The vast majority of careers achieved through an EE degree can be reached quicker and easier with a different degree. Learn to read faggot.

>>15420814
nta but presumably the spacesuit problem (sweat)

I slacked off on my finals and ended the semester mostly with B’s than A’s. I’m a little upset about it although I’m happy the suffering is over.

>>15410767
160k is chill, its not FAGMAN money but livermore isn't as expensive as SF if you're single and shit. A national lab usually tries to follow the pay grades of da gubmit anyway, so 200k is reserved for a lead or some shit. Good for you though, seems like a pretty dope gig honestly. I just wish the interview process wasn't the way it is for them. I'm too lazy for it.

>>15422850
I have been told that in cleanrooms for production, they prefer all female staff, and they wear just minimal underwear under the bunny suit.

>>15418164
%99 of engineering is pulled out of a design manual. whatever it is you want to know how to design, google "THING DESIGN MANUAL" and then read it.

>>15420402
yes, but you'd need relevant XP at intel or micron first.

>>15422979
myth. its mostly fat dudes in cargo shorts and a tshirt

>>15421652
>>15421657

The fab does indeed suck ass but its a good way to "pay your dues" and get a foothold into the industry. fab jobs are easy to get just because the turn over is so high. the semi industry in general is really comfy outside the fab and it pays bank.

t. fully remote at a design firm making $180k

>>15422920
any GPA above 3.5 gets diminishing returns anyways.

>>15419017
not at all. there are loads of grindhouse engineering firms looking for fresh meat.

>>15409271
you don't want to be a lineman.

>>15423164
>fully remote at a design firm making $180k
are you etching in the lines in ICs or something? I too, want to carve nordic thunder runes into metal

Does ghosting recruiters in my LinkedIn DMs have a chance of giving me bad rep in meaningful quantities?

I'm completely burned out and can barely wash my laundry and do my job. Any extra shit is just completely sidelined, I have had some recruiters get in touch regarding jobs which I know I can't do so I've just ignored them. But I'll probably need a new job within the next year.

>>15422979
Seems like the old intel adverts missed an opportunity.

>>15404897
I'm a cheme and I have an internship this summer as an ME working with fire protection design is this dumb I didn't get any other offers

>>15423189
not gonna get into specifics, but i don't have anything to do with the IC's themselves.

>>15423362
Fire Pro is good shit man. You get your FE before you graduate and you're guaranteed a decent job out of college. It's an important albeit boring field. Enjoy looking at NFPA books till your eyes bleed.

I just want a job that pays very well. My family has always been poor. I want to buy 1 or 2 houses in Boulder CO for my family to live in and maybe cover some living costs. What STEM jobs can even deliver a 200k+ salary anymore?

>>15423561
AI/ML developer.

>>15423175
After looking in to it I would not enjoy the heights work

>>15422815
No they can't.

>>15423164
Yeah sure but there are also a ton of guys who are still in the fab after 20 years and went no where. Not everyone can make it. I just left the industry entirely, I couldn't take it. I signed up to be an engineer not a fucking field tech. Fuck semiconductors and fuck you. Dickhead.

>>15423669
were you doing tool install or something? how long did you do it?

>>15423728
If you want out the fab you need a master's.
A bachelor's degree isn't shit in the semiconductor industry, I found that out the hard way. And they have even less respect for American degrees it seems to me.

How do I convince my work to pay for my totally unrelated graduate program?

what kind of accomplishments can I make as revenge for ivy leagues not accepting my undergrad application
I have been fueled by rage for the past year, I will do anything necessary to accomplish my goals

>>15423740
bruh i only have a bachelors and i got out of the fab no problem. get your fookin loicense m8. as soon as i got my PE i got my nuts gargled by every design firm having anything to do with the semi space.

>>15423561
MD

>>15423807
>PE
>design firm
???
So do you work in facilities or something? You aren't even really semiconductor imo then

>>15404935
It counts against you. Whatever job you write as first after you finished university will be the base job and will determine your whole career path.
A model example:
>Say you finish university with arbitrary degree, and your first job was a part-time job: stocking shelves (because you couldn't find some other position and/or were out of money). You worked there for a while, then decided to leave in search for another position. The next few jobs you will encounter afterwards will be in the food sector, either warehouse manager or shop assistant. This is because if you tried to apply for a researcher or a manager, they would refuse you simply because you have no "relevant experience". The only way out of such a situation is to pick any company, get promotions, rise up in the company and then switch companies (careers).
If you write nothing on the CV, then on interviews you will be asked the question: "What did you do after you finish university?" which you can answer like "I did some part time jobs because I wanted to upgrade my skills X Y Z". I suggest you develop some skills in the meantime, doesn't matter what: languages, programming skills. Get some micro certificates. But make sure they are relevant. It's no use getting a certificate in marketing management, if you know you won't do it in your life.

>>15423780
Do the Teddy K

>>15404897
Is it a better to jump into master's degree specialisation different from bachelor's degree one or is it better to stick with the same specialisation?
I mean, what are the pros/cons of each?

>>15424138
>master's degree specialisation different from bachelor's degree one
(within the same field, of course)

>>15423912

Maybe I phrased it confusingly, but the job was straight out of high school and before I started university. I had a year in between the two. My first job out of university was/is a postdoc, which probably doesn't set me up for a good career path, but that's a separate issue.

I've come to the conclusion that it might be best to leave it out. Evidently it'll just add to the confusion and unnecessary bloat as >>15406133 said. Anon's point about maybe having to procure proof of working there (>>15406804) is also a good one as it would be a giant pain in the ass. I was hoping some gigaboomers might appreciate it as showing stick-to-it-iveness and not being a trust fund baby kind of person, similar to how >>15409418 commented.

As with everything related to hiring there seem to be as many "correct" ways to do things as there are people giving their opinion. That's as expected though, thank you anons for giving your opinions

Academia is a joke.

>>15409254
they will use you to cause a resonance cascade

Final exam tomorrow and I'm procrastinating as much as possible. Quick way to get myself into gear?

>>15406625
Stay out of AI. It's far too bloated. If anyone wants my recommendation, it's simulation. It's the next logical step after all this AI and ML wave. You're going to actually start wanting to employ these things in some meaningful way and simulation is the logical next step

>>15406625
>"Software Engineering is dying"
>Boss is offering more if you quit
>Can jump ship to SigInt and other tangental fields
Buddy the fact that you can pivot careers during an alleged slump like that tells me pursing CS/Math/EE is all the more valuable.

Many people pursue engineering primarily because it can allow for steady career switches.

>>15425771
have you tried talking about yourself on social media?

this stem thing was a lot more fun when I was in high school

>>15425991
And to think people are actually interested in this whole "STEM" thing. Well, I call BS. They are just coping and deluding themselves. There is nothing interesting in STEM for 99.99% of people.

>>15426058
people are only interested in it for the class and prestige. I have yet to meet someone who is genuinely interested in high level mathematics or staring at fucking seismometers

>>15426060
And the class and prestige it brings isn't even worth the extreme amounts of effort it took to earn it. I've heard stories of people graduate students and post-docs sleeping in their labs. No one is that interested enough in what they are studying to sleep at their place of work. I wish we can drop the whole "being interested in STEM" thing; as cruel as the finance sector is, at least they are honest with each other in saying they are only in it for the money.

>one more final exam stands in the way of my bachelors
>its in a grad math class where the class average is 65% for exams
If i do poorly on this final it means I'll be forced to stay until next winter for one more class, which is an opportunity cost of like $50,000 for missed work at a job I have lined up.
The requirement for high-level technical electives is fucking brutal and I hate my school for forcing this on me.

>>15426071
I don't know. I like my nursing program a lot. I read journals on my free time and I liked working in healthcare before I went back to uni. Although being in 4th year is a lot less of the science and math courses, which I miss, even if they were a bit on the basic side.

anybody know any tips for scheduling a phd defense? my PI wants me to defend in a month and it's fucking hard to get committee members to reply to emails. I'm finishing my phd remotely so it's not like I can corner them in person and ask them their availability

>>15425816
I agree with this, although I'm biased since I went into models and simulations myself for that reason kek

>>15426058
I dunno, I really like building things and looking at numbers go up and down. But then again I'm a megaautist who enjoys vic2.

>>15426071
i hate engineering. i only do it because i'm reasonably good at it and it makes money.

>>15427314
Isn't it up to your PI to organise? Never heard of a student doing it

I have a PhD interview at a Dutch university tomorrow. How do I not fuck it up?

My thesis is draining the life force out of me, every day I work on it and make barely any progress. I'm so close to being done but it feels like I'm just asymptopically approaching the finish line, never to actually reach it.

>>15416609
all depends on your field. if you do cs, you can do swe and research internships as phd student. idk about other fields.

>>15427903
That feeling is quite normal. You will make it.

>>15427839
Don't laugh at their accents

>>15427839
Don't be brown, and unless female don't be yellow either

>>15427839
Source on this girl? She cute

>>15429400
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tt2ZmH-3uc

>>15429550
Thanks

>>15427839
>>15429550
This character design kind of looks like it wants to become porn any second now, and yet the video series seems quite tame, initial video segment notwithstanding. Curious.

>>15429657
it's early 2010s style newgrounds weebshit, what did you expect?

>>15427839
Bring milk into the conversation at every possible point.

>>15429719
I expected it to turn to porn at some point, and I'm slightly surprised that it doesn't.

>>15429239
fuckin' this. i used to work for a dutch company based out of Den Haag and the VP's would say nigger all the time.

Do PhD programs for ECE take what school you went to for undergrad into account? My gpa is okay (~3.4 major, 3.6 overall) and I go a pretty good university, but one of the programs I was looking at, Cornell, advises that you have a 3.5/4.0 GPA. Given this, would I automatically be disqualified due to my major gpa being lower than their recommended stats?
Also, is it worth it to try and get funding beforehand? I'm working at a national lab this summer, and there's a chance that I get hired full time, and if so, they may be willing to fund my graduate work, with the caveat that the years I take their funding equal the number of years I am contractually obligated to work for them. Thus, would it be smarter to apply now, or wait until I can get funding from an outside source?

>>15429793
>didn't mention milk at any stage of the interview
It's fucking over

Any legal minds here?
I started working for a company last year, they gave me a sign on bonus with the stipulation that I would have to pay it back if I voluntarily left within 2 years.
I ended up having a medical issue which I documented and they accepted. I put in an accommodation request that they were not able to do. As a last resort they gave me a few weeks to identify other positions and interview for them. None of the interviews went well so they eventually just let me go.
Now today they sent me an email with no message, just an attachment of a form for me to pay back the sign on bonus.
Legally speaking did I voluntarily leave? From my understanding I had a medically documented issue that prevented me from working and then they fired me. I'm just wondering if I have any sort of case or not if this gets serious because I'm not really keen on paying them this money back.

>>15431150
That depends entirely on the wording of the contract, the details of your dismissal, and the jurisdiction you're in. We cannot say anything of value without these things.

did I fuck my life up going the civil eng route? Thought there would be more science and math involved in this field, all my friends wfh and get paid more

>>15431222
yep, time for a conversion masters lol

so I've got a chance to leave manufacturing and go into the electric utilities. I'd be making $15k more, same # of vacation days, and I wouldn't have to work overtime or weeks (which I do now for plant outages). should I go for it? I legitimately find power interesting and I think there's a lot an EE can do by working for the utilities: my only fear is that I'll come to hate working in an office. I've been working in plants for 11 years now that I'm so used to it - there's always something going on, always something breaking down, always something new to build. This utilities role sounds more slower, more methodical.

How worried should I be about AI?

>>15431222
Look into EE and dsp if you want math, christ.

>>15404897
How does one cope with being too stupid for university? I'm currently a self-taught code monkey and I've dropped out of university at least 5 times (I've lost count)
How can I advance my career without getting a degree?

>>15432711
0/10 worry

>>15404897
How fucked am I, if I'm 26, soon to get my CS degree, but 0 work experience?

I decided to stop NEETing, but my whole resumé will consist of university and 1 year working an odd job when I was 15.

>>15432795
Start modding you favorite games, those count as work experience.

What's the fastest way to get tenure (pure math)? Some professors with tenure don't seem to be as accomplished as others. How do they do it?

>>15432795
Google has a bug hunt thing for programmers. I know a dude in undergrad who keeps finding bugs and getting paid. He will most likely get a job at google.

>>15408069
Get an EE degrees and learn the hell out of Python and C++

Are there any bug bounty programs directed at people who are in EE? How viable are they as a way to make some cash these days?

>>15432924
I'm in Germany, no Google here. Got roughly 1 semester to get experience in something, I'll do my best to learn then.

I've got a shit ton of basics/maths/physics/algos/ML/AI etc. down, just nil "real" work. It's all from uni.

But I'll try your suggestions regardless, idk if Germany differs from NA.

>>15432943
If you're in Germany, you're fine I think. I have no work experience either, I'm 27 and I just got a dev job straight out of uni with a physics degree despite having no projects. You should have even less of a problem.

>>15432950
Gives me some hope, thanks. TUs give no time for life, had no chance to comeback from bad decisions in NEET days kek.

Thanks anon.

I did just enough to get an A in CSC II
I hardly put work actually learning any nuance and details but all the projects came really easily to me with a bit of googling syntax. Hopefully the next class where we go deeper into efficiency and algorithms helps clear up my worry. I know I've barely even started but Trigonometry was hard work. I'm not sure if I'm disciplined enough to take Calculus at the same time as this next class but it would probably be best to do it asap after trigonometry

>>15432943
It's an online thing. It does not matter where you live. Just send reports in their github or whatever.

>>15431914
Maintenance and Ops is a dead end my man. If you want career progression and more $$$ and more perks (like working fully remote) you need to get into design.

>>15432943
If you can't land a job right after graduation you can try to squeeze in a summer internship, I know some germans who did a 2 month internship after graduation before going to a fulltime job

>>15408069
That's EE with C/Python experience. CS isn't getting you shit if you want to work on missile guidance systems.

>>15434022
Appreciate the advice, when the time comes, I'll remember that. Tyvm.

I've been having explosive outbursts at work on the sales floor near customers which involve me yelling profanities, punching walls, banging my head into a wall and, recently, scraping and cutting my arm with a disposable plastic knife until it bleeds. They're not going to write me up or do anything official, they just told me to find a way to manage this anger and that I can always ask to take a breather. All of my co-workers seem uncomfortable around me and they look at me weirdly. I think I'm hanging on by a tenuous thread. I need to get my shit together.

>>15434713
(You) for a modicum of effort

>>15408069
EE with focus in embedded or digital systems. You will work in exactly what you want with this pedigree either image processing from satellites or more involved systems. Usually in aerospace there is plenty of work to design in either side of the hardware/software space, you just have to find which one you like best.

>>15434713
if this is real, you probably have autism which is nothing to be ashamed of. plenty of the world's most interesting people had autism. but you should seek therapy and meds.

also i don't know what this has to do with /scg/. You should go to /lit/'s /wwoym/ threads for posts like this and be among fellow autists like yourself

>>15433881
are you referring to Maintenance and Ops and Design in the power industry or in manufacturing? this power industry role would either be a) forecasting and planning work at the distribution and transmission level or b) substation work - greenfield substations, retrofit jobs, etc. in either case, both will get me a foot in the door. What I think I'd really like is protection and controls, and I'd get a little of that in job b). also this place does some design in house but farms a lot of it out, and there is no way I'm going back into consulting. I did that for industrial automation and it's a grind

What field of science is the most impressive to normies?
Neuroscience? Quantum physics? Cosmology?

>>15435319
Normies don't find science impressive. They'll rightfully think you're an egghead loser.

>>15435337
Yeah I guess so, I'll be a doctor instead and hand out heroin in pill form for a living

>>15435319
neurosurgeon #1, followed by a heart surgeon.

best field to get into after not working for over 8 years?