/sci/ - Science & Math

>4 seconds
you were first, deleted mine.

>>15431165
why does this rocket have legs?

>>15431171
post the pic you were gonna use

>>15431173
it was the age of spinners has begun edition

Would you let Elon savagely rawdog you on his private jet for 6 hours in exchange for a seat on the first Starship to Mars? He's the only one doing the fucking but the cabin crew and pilot watch it happen and do nothing. He repeatedly calls you his "little space cadet" and screams "blastoff!" when he cums.

>>15431182
can i get blind drunk before hand?

>>15431182
so what's the catch?

>>15431182
Lol I'm posting this on r/4chan

>>15431182
Musky is a catcher, not a pitcher

>>15431174
based

>>15431188
Link post here.

>>15431193

there will be more people in spinhabs by 2040 than well dwellers on mars.
i'd go so far to say that there will be men in spinhabs before a single human steps on mars.

I want to live on a tidally locked exoplanet so badly bros

>>15431199
> eternal twilight of a feeble red star
ghastly

>>15431206
>serv
just mental

Every other launch company needs to prepare for their own downfall. Vector is here to dominate.

i don't get the hate for csi starbase

>>15431240
Black

>booster raptors erode olm inner ring steel plates at 1/2" to 1" per second
it turns out the only thing that is expendable is the planet starship is launching from

>>15431229
Is there a reason why none of these startups aim to compete with oldspace in military missiles? Everyone just trying to fling some cubesat into orbit.

>>15431265
watching one of his videos and it by far the most detailed and least basedboi channels i've seen.

In 10 years, the US will have
>Up to 6 space stations (Axiom, Lunar Gateway, Starlab, Orbital reef, Vast, Northrop Grumman, not including projects from Gravitics and Thinkorbital)
>Multiple crewed lunar missions
>Commercial orbital manufacturing (Varda Space)
>Asteroid mining & exploration (Astroforge)
>Nuclear Thermal Propulsion demonstrators (DRACO)
>Around half a dozen fully reusable launch vehicles
>As many as 5 crewed spacecraft (Dragon, Starliner, Starship, Orion, Dreamchaser DC-201)
>Tens of thousands of satellites as part of megaconstellations


Am I missing anything? This is seriously insane. How will ESA, POCKOCKMOC, and the CNSA catch up?

>>15431273
They literally won't. We are witnessing the foundation of humanity's presence among the stars and it is defined by America. All others will be only miniscule, irrelevant minorities of humanity's space population.

>>15431273
you're missing the reality where 90% of these programs will fail and of the remaining 10%, 9% will get delayed for at least 10 years and mettled with to the point of irrelevancy by congress or shareholders

>>15431279
Good thing that 1% is Starship, the thing which matters more than everything else.

>>15431275
>miniscule, irrelevant minorities
speaking of which

>>15431271
you probably missed the part in the comment you're replying to about "Black"

>>15431273
>Bring this naive.

>>15431286
>there's only 200 million white people, they're doomed, they'll never make it to the stars, it's so over for them!
You will never be relevant.

>>15431286
your brain is being rotted

>>15431287
i don't care.
>inb4 reddit
i've been here longer than you.

>>15431242
*boops each other* uwu

>>15431293
What will the numbers look like in 2050 and beyond? Fancy being the outvoted & outnumbered scapegoats? If I picked 3 families at random from that time, and later on still, would they look like this?

>>15431273
most of those will be canned, and the ones who don't will be delayed and downscaled to oblivion

>>15431305
There will always be enough white people to make >>15431275 true.

>>15431305
The Norwood Reaper reaps indiscriminately.

>>15431305
The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. You are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive.

>>15431316
>4th guy is called black
why are americans so retarded?

What interesting payloads (probes and experiments) do we still have for this year?

>>15431321
Human flesh on Starliner.

>>15431273
You cant even name a single thing that isnt cgi

>>15431229
you meant to say Spinlaunch!!!!

>>15431339

>>15431287
I'm a racist and literally don't care he's black. His content is good and that's all that matters. He's been somewhat of a doomer on twitter recently maybe that's why people don't like him

>>15431273
>Am I missing anything?
a probe on it's way to Titan and a Mars samble on its way to Earth

>>15431339
>>15431290
>>15431279
That cope and seethe at American dominance in space.

>>15431332
unfortunately that one will burn up in the atmosphere

>>15431344
>I'm a racist, but..

Now what's the next step of their master plan?

https://twitter.com/AJamesMcCarthy/status/1656655544009244673

> Using two telescopes and over 280,000 individual photos, I captured my most detailed image of our moon. The full size is over a gigapixel. Trust me, you’ll want to zoom in on this one.

>>15431361
more kpop bands

>>15431361
The land of giga conglomerates is goin to spin up a SpaceX clone?

>>15431361
I remember the fiasco from early 2000s where Korea was aiming to become a leader within biotech sphere

>>15431242

>>15431381

>>15431395
elaborate

>>15431400
mhmmm gongrete

>>15431397

>>15431400
The concrete pad got torn up and ejected upward and outward with considerable force. You can see debris in this clip landing in the ocean >>15431343

Video related: more of the debris ejection action at ground level

>>15431401
Basically they had (still have, he's not dead) a scientist that had allegedly (not actually real) managed to make several strides in making cloned animals, turns out this was bs (except for being first to clone a dog which was really impressive.) The gov went all in under him, he started funneling money to politicians etc, he had way too much leeway as a single scientist, treated his workers really poorly, presented fake data in his reports, when him and his beligerents were called out the media and gov surpressed the story initially.
He never went to jail, but did loose his liscence until he started a private business that clones dogs/cows

does this mean more SpaceX elon and less Twatter elon? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1656747082571722753

>>15431397
this is a blue board

>>15431446
thank god

>>15431446
>inb4 Elon is switching places with Gwynne

>>15431446
Are you boys ready for the greatest comeback story in the history of the universe?

>>15431397
Do not try to pull them apart, it will hurt them.

European rockets, including the small launch startups over there

>>15431476
Why are A6 side boosters smaller than A5 ones?
Also, what is that ball thing?

>>15431446
>she

>>15431466
Hahahahahhh

>>15431476
I don't see the EcoRocket there

ISRO shuttle program, ready to take Indians to space!

>>15431361
Their current rocket is a 3T jet fuel/lox launcher. Maybe they will do a heavy lift ORSC jetlox rocket next lol

>>15431452
Call orbital police, I don't give a fuck.

>>15431510
avturlox

Ok, who came up with the idea for Starship? SpaceX doesn't have the talent to come up with such a revolutionary idea. Last time it took an utter genius to make a rocket this good.

>>15431519
Those scribbles the side of the rocket look like when a retarded kid tries to draw a swastika in a bathroom stall.

>>15431521
Falcon XX or whatever. 2008?

>>15431521
Kim Jong Un (hero of Juche, first to orbit the universe) proposed the idea to Dennis Rodman in passing. It was only later that Space Expansion and Treason Corporation stole the idea

>>15431521
BFR was internally used at spacex in like 2004. Falcon XX was proposed in 2009 ish

https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1656664504393166850

>>15431532
Boilerplate upper stage I guess?

>>15431182
>getting ass fucked to explode on Mars
I respectfully decline the offer.

>>15431481
edited colors by me

>>15431532
SOOOON ULABROS

>>15431532
I want it to explode. I want ULA to die. It's sucking up too much DoD money that is better spent on other companies

>>15431512
I called McDowell, he said nothing like that is in orbit.

>>15431542
Seething muskrat, results over rhetoric

>>15431540
nice

>>15431305

>>15431374
I'd bet Samsung would make a decent go at it.

>>15431580
Samsung is pretty helpless outside of electronics. They can't even make decent consumer appliances.

>>15431580
The android rocket family

Pictured: the rest of the Western World's launch industry stay of execution

>>15431590
Oh boy, I just love when someone records the recording with a handheld camera, really adds to the realism

is it known when the next Starship is launching?

>>15431542
I want Vulcan to work as proof of the BE-4 and so we can see DreamChaser fly.

>>15431610
Elon's personal estimate was 1-2 months. Two weeks into that four to six week estimate, they're making good progress but a lot of ground work remains to be done at the launch mount.

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>>15431623
Whoops, mixed up my original "two to six weeks remaining" with "four to eight weeks duration"

>>15431625
these are gonna take months desu

>>15431626
Depends if they try to reuse them for the next launch or not. The buckled tanks don't do anything and have nothing in them, while the dented tanks are only really damaged in their outer insulating shells, which don't need to be pretty to do their job. Hopefully they'll have stuff bolted down better next time.

>>15431610
Two weeks ^ two weeks time

>>15431628
I don't understand this reusable container meme

>>15431207
>Serval
Just mental

>phone interview with Rocket Lab
>get too excited and fuck up their overcomplicated scheduling system
>now the recruiter is annoyed

>>15431597
In case you're not baiting: that's a stabilized video to keep starship more or less in the middle

>>15431647
hope you get hired and give us some insight here

>>15431647
if you get the job please give us insider info

>>15431597
Needs to be recorded and re-recorded on the world's shittiest long-play VHS tapes at least four or five times before we can say that it has soul

>>15431267
Oh say what

>>15431655
hydrologgs sisters we will ever come back?

>>15431267
Sauce?

>>15431267
reminder that someone already solved this problem but Spacex is too pussy to try it

I don't see a mars colony getting much bigger than Mcmurdo without a stronger buisness case.
Simply reducing the cost to transport mass to Mars is not enough, the actual mass that is transported will also be extremely expensive.

There are no Human societies that are autarkic with such a small number of people as a proposed Mars base, and that's on Earth where infrastructure is much less challenging.
A whole new organisation of industry will have to be developed, using novel technology, that has to be far less concentrated than it is on earth, whilst working within the environmental and resource constraints of Mars.
This will not be cheap and is arguably a much harder problem than Starship, something that is already a hard problem.

>>15431273
Not all of these plans will survive the coming recession.

>>15431685
Samsung will be the first reusable sea dragon. They are already good at building ships now they just need to build space ships

space future never ever
space habitat never ever
interstellar travel never ever

>>15431697
It depends on

>is there life on Mars
>are there rare earths/precious metals/other valuable mineral shit
>tourism
>governments
>corporate interest

>>15431697
I'm sure there are cool use cases for martian gravity that nobody knows yet because we haven't done any proper science on the planet

>>15431499
It carries a crew of over 400,clinging to the exterior

>>15431446
No? Twitter will be his way of making X/Everything company. It will be the WeChat of future.

>>15431617
gayest post of the year
>blue origin fan
>spaceplanefag

>>15431697
>and that's on Earth where infrastructure is much less challenging.
It's also less challenging due to the availability of basic resources like breathable air.
I try to point out the issues with the Mars colonization plans but I'm only met with "you're a naysayer", "you want to stop progress", "you're not Musk you have no idea what you are talking about". It's so fucking annoying, there is no good speculation about space here nor anywhere else. It's either absurdly idealistic sci-fi shit where they handwave a bunch of major problems or the current snail pace space exploration where there is no fucking ambition about anything, be the discussion about space colonization or alien life or whatever else.

>>15431705

>>15431570
imagine being tortured relentlessly by the Viet Cong every day for five years, but still being treated worse by your wife
amazing

>>15431709

>>15431647
is it possible to move from one of the space start ups to space x?

>>15431697
If Elon controls the global telecom market he'll have the resources to make it happen unless we fall back into the stone age

>>15431718
kek

>>15431722
If it really is successful, other companies will eventually catch up even if they take their time.

>>15431697
>I don't see a mars colony getting much bigger than Mcmurdo without a stronger buisness case.
Science and colonization. There is infinitely more to do on Mars than Antarctica. Also habitation is significantly easier.
>There are no Human societies that are autarkic with such a small number of people as a proposed Mars base, and that's on Earth where infrastructure is much less challenging.
Mars will not be fully self-sufficient for a very long time. The comparatively small number of people also isn't relevant as Mars will be automating everything possible and will be populated by the best of the best.
>A whole new organisation of industry will have to be developed, using novel technology, that has to be far less concentrated than it is on earth, whilst working within the environmental and resource constraints of Mars.
>This will not be cheap and is arguably a much harder problem than Starship, something that is already a hard problem.
And?
>>15431713
Because there are no challenges in colonizing Mars which currently do not have solutions. Sure, there isn't a step-by-step plan or blueprints or anything specific yet, but that's of no consequence. It doesn't require anything novel.

>>15431725
Yet again, this is all a bunch of handwaving.
At most, SpaceX will manage to make a Amundsen–Scott-style base on Mars (not McMurdo because it is much more complex), and this is already a massive achievement compared to Apollo was or what Artemis would end up being without SS.

Where i can find chapter 34 of transactions of the american nuclear society online? I want to see the result of a test that ANS did using a gas core reactor.

>>15431724
by what reasoning?
if Space X has the cheapest cost to orbit and has far more deployed infrastructure, they'll be able to provide bandwidth more cheaply than their competitors
the capital requirements for competing with Space X on launch costs are not trivial and neither is building a megaconstellation, especially considering whatever gets built will be redundant and have lower availability and performance than the market leader

>>15431733
>volume 34
Fixed.

>>15431732
It's not handwaving when the problems are nonexistent.

>>15431724
Let me know when companies start building parallel sets of railroad tracks to compete with Western Union

>>15431734
>SeX proves it is a procedure that works and brings a lot of money
>Other companies and investor see their example and want to take a piece of this cake
>They create their own launchers and constellations, it is possible because SeX just proved it is
and this is how starlink gets competition

>>15431740
>They create their own launchers
Draw the rest of the owl.

>>15431739
fuck, Union Pacific

>>15431740
I guess you have never heard of a natural monopoly

Tell me, /sfg/
Are spin sections, or spin habs, the only way to move humans over interplanetary distances?

Do we need an orbital shipyard to build ships or mobile habitats with spin gravity before we can really move out?

>>15431748
Not strictly speaking, no. You could just go on living in zero g.

>>15431736
Explain to me the following:
>prospection for martian resources
>equipment for collecting resources
>industry required for processing resources
>food production
>large scale buildings for living, food production and others
>healthcare for the colonists
>power plants needed for all this
>political structure of the colonies

>>15431733
When has anyone tested a gas core nuclear thermal engine?

>>15431754
>prospection for martian resources
Same as on Earth.
>equipment for collecting resources
Same as on Earth but modified slightly.
>industry required for processing resources
Processes which can work under the requirements of Mars already exist.
>food production
https://www.docdroid.net/uGf3k1F/sfg-anon-2021-r1-pdf
>large scale buildings for living, food production and others
Literally just build them with steel.
>healthcare for the colonists
Doctors and medical equipment.
>power plants needed for all this
Solar panels.
>political structure of the colonies
It'll evolve naturally with the colony.

None of the things you bring up are problems which require novel solutions. They are already solved, even if the specific implementation isn't always the same.
Your argument is literally just that Mars equipment doesn't already exist so it's clearly going to be nearly impossible to build it.

>>15431751
But we know that after several months astronauts were barely able to move after returning to Earth.
So after a months-long Mars transfer they'd barely be able to do worthwhile things on the ground there for maybe a week or more.

>no one talking about foundation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogReJyWgkBU
what went wrong?

>>15431733
>>15431759
Never mind, I think you mean gas-cooled, not gas core. Gas core is insane, like running a continuous meltdown

>>15431590
What an absolute ridiculous tank of a machine

>>15431771
I know, I love it

>>15431762
You actually believe equipment works the same under different atmospheric conditions, regolith covering everything and much higher radiation doses?
This isn't about all of this being impossible, it's about being absurdly costly (in raw resources, energy and development) and how long it will take for everything to be done. It might happen, but not this century, maybe not the next too.
"Just build them with steel"
How much steel? Where are you going to mine and fabricate it? How are you going to make it sealed against the outside? Radiation shielding? How much energy will it take to melt, cast and move this stuff around?
I could make the same questions about everything else.

>>15431775
>it's about being absurdly costly (in raw resources, energy and development) and how long it will take for everything to be done. It might happen, but not this century, maybe not the next too.
And you wonder why people just dismiss you and call you a retard.

>>15431697
>without a stronger buisness case
doesn't matter, didn't read. Elon will make sure to accomplish the Mars dream so that the colony will eventually become self-sustaining, even if he were the only one in the world trying to do so and he had to spend his entire fortune and devote his life to accomplish it.

>>15431775
>You actually believe equipment works the same under different atmospheric conditions
No, but it's not an unthinkable task to make equipment that does function fine in those conditions.
>regolith covering everything
Completely irrelevant.
>and much higher radiation doses?
Completely untrue.
>This isn't about all of this being impossible, it's about [why I think it's basically impossible]
Yeah okay retard.
>How much steel?
However much you need.
>Where are you going to mine and fabricate it?
Regolith and rock, in foundries.
>How are you going to make it sealed against the outside?
Sealing a soda can is a more difficult challenge.
>Radiation shielding?
Again, irrelevant. Just put a bit of regolith on top.
>How much energy will it take to melt, cast and move this stuff around?
Not enough to make it infeasible.
>I could make the same questions about everything else.
And I could give you the same answer to every problem you think up: You're blowing them wildly out of proportion in your mind to the point of being so extreme as to be a lie.
Again
>None of the things you bring up are problems which require novel solutions. They are already solved, even if the specific implementation isn't always the same.
>Your argument is literally just that Mars equipment doesn't already exist so it's clearly going to be nearly impossible to build it.
You have no real argument.

>>15431787
This, the entire point of Starlink is to be an obscene money printer to funnel capital into Mars colonization.

>>15431782
Still not a single actual argument for why it will be easy to do all this.
I wonder how you will cope when you will be elderly and the only thing they achieved was "just" a permanent martian research station with ~50 people all the time there.

>>15431794
God I hate the autistic like you wouldn't believe. Total autist death.
>inb4 "no u" like the pathetic autistic retard you are

>>15431790
How did I say it is impossible when I said it will just take a lot of resources and a time longer than our lives?
Except for that paper about food, you have provided not even a single number for any of your claims, it's just "doesn't matter/it's doable trust me bro", more proof that this is just a sci-fi desire for you.

>>15431759
The soviets did with the RD-600:
http://www.astronautix.com/r/rd-600.html
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/enginelist2.php#rd600

>>15431770
Its a gas core, not gas-cooled.
Also, i found in this article:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343797199_Roadmap_to_Nuclear_Gas_Core_Rockets
The ANS test was reactor to produce eletricity, not propulsion.

>>15431794
>only thing they achieved was "just" a permanent martian research station with ~50 people all the time there.
kek, reminds me of that fake image where the media was calling musk a fraud because he covered only half of Mars with tunnels instead of the full planet.

>>15431796
>more proof that this is just a sci-fi desire for you.
You were saying the same thing about Starship just a few years ago (if you aren't still saying that), of Falcon Heavy a few years before that, and of Falcon 9 a few years before that. Maybe you'll deny this, but you're wrong, because that is who you are. Not just the type of person you are, but it is your very identity. Being incapable of imagining change being anything other than borderline impossible is the core of your being.
You simply do not know what you are talking about and you will continue to be proven wrong again and again while you insist it can't be possible. You have no argument. Your only reason for believing what you do is that the things you are declaring impossible do not exist specifically in the exact form they would need to for this purpose. What you are doing is directly, perfectly analogous to insisting that building wide rubber tires is a massively difficult thing to do when cars were using thin rubber tires.

>>15431794
>>15431796
Are you French?

>>15431797
Can you tell me the date and the exact duration of the RD-600 test?

>>15431797
By the way, this is schizo tier
>It is the author’s opinion, given all of this, that there are no currently observable reasons that should stop the complete development of nuclear gas core rockets. If humanity dreams of colonizing the solar system, nuclear gas core rockets is very likely the next step it must take before she can develop even moreadvanced propulsion concepts such as antimatter drives and the like. One can see from the development of past rocket technology that each future technology tends to "piggyback" on the other. The only foreseeable problem that may stop it’s development is a lack of will. Sadly, solutions to this particular problem lie outside the realm of engineering.

axiom has their first station module in house. an old mplm (pic related) that they're fixing up for the axiom station.
https://twitter.com/Axiom_Space/status/1656773543558881280

>>15431769
Didn't watch it, but I guess tehy went overboard with women being just totally awesome at everything all the time, while men are allowed to be just a little less equal.

>>15431839
they just showed a covered truck driving into their new building in houston

>>15431843
i mean, the mplm was on the bed of the truck and it was covered by a tarp

>>15431697
The business case is "Elon Musk is paying for it"
Starlink is going to make that man the first trillionaire, even without tesla robo-taxis or optimus

>>15431813
I'm a monkey but not the cheese-eating kind of monkey

>>15431811
When I got back into space stuff (and this general), both Falcons were operational already. I'm cautiously optimistic about Starship, though I think it will take longer to be operation than what Musk's says (like always has been, you cannot deny this reality). I think it will be quite cheap but not to the extreme extent Musk says, and it will be flying once per month in a few years. Of course I'll be happy if my expectations are surpassed.
I can imagine any change I want. It would be amazing if fast interstellar travel was unlocked during my lifetime, but I have no fucking reason to believe this will be the case. A martian station with constant crew during my lifetime would be enough of a dream come true for me, and whatever more we get to achieve.

https://spacenews.com/rocket-lab-sees-itself-as-leader-of-the-small-launch-industry/
Haven't seen anybody mention this, but Rocket Lab yoinked another NASA smallsat constellation launch contract, this time from Firefly

>>15431754
None of these are difficult exactly, costly maybe, but you have to realize that the equipment will be getting sent from Earth and will be optimized for Mars. You can say it'll break down - but maintenance equipment will be getting sent from earth too, and machines to build machines, etc. They won't be fabricating microchips or anything, but anything involving food, industry, equipment, power plants, mining, etc, is really nothing crazy at all once the transportation aspect is solved. The one thing you did point out which is worth discussing is healthcare though, what level could we reach on Mars colony I'm not sure, for a while it might be the case that some people may need to go back to earth for certain treatments and that could pose some issues, nothing catastrophic though

>>15431880
Maybe sending a CargoShip full of assorted medicines would be enough for most issues at a station with <100 people on it, and more cost effective than ISRU-ing all that stuff, but if you need a surgery you're fucked, since you probably won't survive the travel back to Earth due to the issue that caused the need for surgery.

>I predicted one of literally thousands of possible delays that can affect Starship
Fuck, I really hate the average spaceflight stan, they're either cheerleaders like someone going to a sporting match they have no idea about backing whatever team is likely to win or "skeptics" who take every encountered issue as a personal victory recognizing their genius.

The worse part is that I can never again go back to 2019 where we were a handful of autists watching water towers explode, now I'm forced to interact with people that couldn't even make orbit in KSP and think whatever sci-fi paper nuclear rocket design is real and as valid as anything else.

>>15431697
>>15431794
>>15431811
Truthfully, if we were living in a semi-ambitious society we would be attempting to and probably succeeding at colonizing Antarctica. The reason nobody tries is because nobody is interested. The other problem is that, unlike mars, Antarctica is covered in ice, which is terrible for settlement, can't even farm with it (inb4 toxic soil). Many papers and details have been written about mars colonization and they have the ISRU procedures down pretty well, at least theoretically.

>>15431903
>but if you need a surgery you're fucked, since you probably won't survive the travel back to Earth due to the issue that caused the need for surgery.
Yeah that was exactly my thought, and just thinking about all of the required medical equipment is making my head hurt as you'd need to take so many outcomes into account, medical staff too, although maybe a generalist surgeon with a communications link to Earth for guidance would be fine there. Not really a solvable problem like the others, just have to accept that some people will end up dying in pretty dumb unfortunate ways

>>15431880
>>15431903
Mars will likely have 10 to 100 times more surgeons (and medical doctors generally) per capita than Earth. Sending medical equipment is also not a problem unless it needs to be redesigned to operate on Mars.

kill earthers with orbital lasers

>>15431913
Colonization happens because someone has something to gain out of it. Nothing will happen in Antarctica until there is money to be made, or some strategic resource for the sake of keeping power.

>>15431928
sometimes things happen as vanity projects. a vanity mars base would be lame as hell compared to a fully colonized mars, but it would sure kick the hell out of never sending people to mars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_satellite

>>15431794
You are an actual retard. No one said it will be easy, but there's a big difference between "easy" and impossible with a global empire and two centuries.

I hope you're a troll, because the idea that you really think like this is sad. How do you manage to live every day?

>things are possible

>>15431928
historically, colonization often lost money. Many times, settlements were religious in nature, or, if you look at the viking settlement, of greenland, driven by one guy advertising it as empty space away from everyone else, with little to no resulting exports back to whence they came.
I know it may be an alien concept to people like you, but some people (very few, mind you) actually do want to settle somewhere new just for the hell of it, and they'll pay money to do so. As long as the initial investment is high enough for eventual material independence, it doesn't really matter.

>>15431992
Pilgrims had free air to breath instead of having to rely on sophisticated machines to do it for them. And the "gain" for them was fleeing away from their homeland's bullshit. You have no idea how much I'd like to go live in a big pod on the far side on the moon until I die, but I'm too poor and was born too early to ever have the chance to do that.

That top hat on SpaceX is a nice touch, spiffy asf

Did you guys see that Vast space station announcement? It actually seems pretty legit, AA video brought up some good points that in the short and long term they have clear and plausible goals with proven technology, as well as SpaceX taking them seriously and launching on a Falcon instead of waiting for Starship. I think that they actually have the best chance of being the first commercial space station, and the artificial gravity aspect or Haven-1 will be great for testing long term effects of Lunar and Martian gravity early, which NASA may be interested in for planning on Artemis III. If they get up there first, they wont have to rely on their founders money since investors will flock to them. They seem pretty ready right now, what do you guys think though? Obviously Haven-1 is a small start but they seem prepped for the future as long as they dont mess anything up majorly along the way

>>15431718
*hyperpoop

>>15432007
CEO is a buttcoin billionaire. I dunno, gives me Bigelow vibes. Remember how Bigelow did a whole press conference with ULA saying they were going to launch like 4 BE330s? And we all said 'oooh maybe Bigelow ISNT a big shitshow now' but it never happened because Bigelow?

>>15432011
Bigelow deployed hardware which is better than 99% of other space companies. The guy just got too old.

>>15432011
bigelow has more modules in space than vast, gravitics, and thinkorbital will ever have combined

>>15432025
lol that's true

https://youtu.be/OT-TYrv6WR8
get fucked rerards

>>15432007
>>15432011
I'm always wary of new-space companies started by rich guys that don't have a background in engineering or aerospace. They come in expecting aerospace to be just like big tech and then get their ass blown out by regulations and industry expectations.

My money is still on Gravitics since their senior leadership team is full of former spacex and lockheed guys (and the Rotary Rocket Company guy lmao)

>>15431751
>You could just go on living in zero g.
What was the shortest Mars transit we could get wit hStarship for a long-stay mission? A month or 40 days?
So yeah, that is doable.
But longer transit times in zero-, like if you want to visit an asteroid and actually come home? I think it'S spin gravity or no go.

>>15432038
>helicopters are ufos
who gave this rainforest tribesman a computer

>>15432038
Ufotards btfo hahaha

>>15432045
>I'm always wary of new-space companies started by rich guys that don't have a background in engineering or aerospace.
SeX?

>>15432020
>got too old

No, he's a fucking nutcase and once he started publicly rambling about it in the mid-late 2010s, all his funding dried up.

>>15432038
Mick West is S-tier

>>15432058
Elon read like 80 books on rocketry and rocket engineering and even tried learning Russian to read Soviet docs directly.
There's an OLD office tour / elon interview, F1 days, that shows his desk and the books strewn about it. Can't find it at the moment but it was all like Soyuz books and crap

>>15431540
looks like a butt

>>15431815
It was made by a undergradutate student, but thats not important, the ans test is.

>>15431814
I could swear that is written somewhere in the article, but its not, they only made some tests with plasma using the impulse graphite reactor, i guess that was memory playing tricks on me.

>>15431165
What would the effects on NASA and the ESA's future paths be if the Soviet's had successfully landed a cosmonaut on the moon and returned him to Earth in the mid 1970s (sometime after 1975)?
I can imagine President Reagan would increase NASA's budget more than he did IRL, and perhaps NASA gets a less-meddled with/better funded space shuttle design. I already asked this on /his/ but I'd like to see what /sfg/ thinks

>>15432097
yeah
and earth is like yoko ono's butt

>>15432074
This, but also the only reason they survived past the F1 days is because Elon sued to kill the Kistler commercial resupply award and then poached most of their engineering talent to design F9.

>>15432104
I guess they would have pushed to go to Mars for the sake of one upping the soviets, or maybe they would instead go after records on the moon like most people, longest stay, biggest ground station or whatever.

>>15432106
rotary rocket should have won

>>15431768
that's why they should be provided with Mars-level gravity on their way there, so they are already acclimated to it when they arrive

>>15432069
based schizo, alien conspiracies are always a lot more fun that wendigos or whatever bullshit /x/ has

>>15432106
He didn't sue to to kill Kisler comercial award, he sued to be allowed to compete.

>>15432106
If he didn't win that lawsuit he would've failed but the poached talent wasn't critical

>>15432134
Yes, which immediately put a pause on the money that Kistler needed to keep the lights on.

>>15432143
Illegitimate money through illegitimate awards

In otherwords, it was never "theirs" to begin with. The only reason they got money in the first place was that Kistler were made up of old ex-NASA employees and they didn't even consider SpaceX. Musk brought forth the lawsuit to be allowed to compete. Just like he did with AirForce lawsuit to be allowed to compete against ULA.

>>15432148
Yes, I too have read Liftoff

bullshit how antimatter is a real thing that exists. It sounds like utter scifi crap, not something that's real that we can and have made.

>>15432153
does it ever occur in nature?

>>15432151
oh yeah? Give me the recipe right now

>>15432160
A fantastic addition to The Boring Company's products.

>>15432153
It was first made in 1955 too.

>>15432104
>Copying from that /his/ thread because it's a good point
Carter would probably increase NASA funding slightly more than he did in our world, Reagan would probably give a larger boost, partly to respond to the Soviet achievement and partly to tie into the Strategic Defence Initiative.
Maybe:
>The Space Shuttle is cheaper per kilogram to LEO thanks to better funding leading to a better design
>Space Station Freedom gets built in the late 1980s onwards
>We get the Shuttle-C and the Advanced Solid Rocket Motor program goes ahead
>The Space Exploration Initiative goes differently (better)
I doubt a landing would stop the USSR from dissolving or anything crazy like that, but the ESA would have better funding (at least for a while), China might start it's Space Program a decade or so earlier, and who knows? Maybe the public attention spaceflight gets from the landing inspires people to go into the spaceflight field instead of, say, computers?

>>15432198
POV: you are a recently hatched sea turtle

>>15431791
It's also a legitimately useful technology to have for any virgin planet colony

>>15432170
Yes, it even occurs inside of you. You have something like 100 g of potassium in you, 0.01% of which is potassium 40, decaying about 4000 times per second total. 90% of those decays produce antineutrinos and 0.001% of them produce positrons.

>>15432207
Man will never be free until the last turtle is strangled with the entrails of the last beetle.

>>15431532
About time faggots!

>>15432153
"real" and "matter" are irrelevant, even "antimatter" because the notion that something that which must be real must be matter is archaic. Everything is energy matrix on the nth dimension.

>>15431709
Could this unironically work tho?
Suit them and tie them?

>>15432207
how you dare, thank goodness there are some prominent figures in the space industry like Eric Roesch who actually care about the environment and want to change things for the better and yada yada, or at least that's what the planetary society believes
https://www.planetary.org/planetary-radio/space-policy-edition-spacexs-starship-vs-the-environment-with-eric-roesch

rare elon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLEIqAs2ltc

>>15432388
>rare
Not for me, a loyal 1, I've seen that video countless times

>247 posts
>page 3
it's over

>>15432557
It's only the beginning

>>15432557
>>247 posts
all me btw

It's not that I HATE Earthers, necessarily, it's just that-
Well no, that's not completely honest. I do hate them quite a lot, but that's beside the point.
... I uh, I've lost track of the point, actually. Fuck Earthers, that is all.

goodnight sfg

>>15431273
average space enjoyer right here

>>15432170
One of the great mysteries of cosmology is why there's more matter than antimatter in the universe

>>15432623
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm9tUVI6Ehk

>>15431768
That was when they were for some reason focusing on aerobic training instead of strength, from what I understand they've coped better when they started lifting instead of jogging on a treadmill

>>15431791
That, and simultaneously gives breathing room for launch demand to catch up

>>15432386
>posting link instead of archive

>>15432007
Somewhat optimistic due to the timeline and actually starting to test hardware immediately, but time will tell
As others have mwntioned, just having money isnt enough, the dude has to be competent enough to pick a good leadership team (assuming he has no substance knowledge himself)

>>15432113
Based

>>15432073
>Mick West is S-tier
he wet the bed as a kid because this ayy story scared him

>>15431992
People were already living in Greenland, you can live there without even being able to forge metal.
There are no fish or seals on Mars

>>15432742
>People were already living in Greenland
False. The Eskimos arrived later. Vikings called them "Skraelings" and had some trouble with them.

imagine how tall trees could get in 1/3rd g

>Roscosmos and Russian Academy of Sciences discusses the Venus soil sample return mission concept called Venera-V (Beнepa-B) - Roscosmos press service. It will consist of 2 spacecrafts and is scheduled for the period after 2030. This concept of sample return was published in 2020.
https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1656597916767727624

>>15432752
balloons are fucking based

https://spacenews.com/ohb-expects-first-ariane-6-launch-in-early-2024/

> In a May 10 earnings call, executives with German aerospace company OHB predicted that the rocket will make its long-delayed debut within the first several months of 2024, the strongest indication yet by those involved with the rocket’s development that it will not be ready for launch before the end of this year.

> Later in the call, he estimated the rocket was no more than a year away from that inaugural flight. “I am getting more and more confident we will see the first launch of Ariane 6 early next year,” he said. “I think we are within a year of the first launch and that is psychologically very important.”

> Fuchs didn’t offer a more precise date of the launch, stating that “is not for us to publish” at this time. “I’m just more and more confident that it will be in the early part of next year, so within a year I’m pretty sure that we will do it.”

> His comments are the strongest statement yet that an Ariane 6 launch in 2023 was no longer feasible. The European Space Agency said in October 2022 it was projecting a first launch of the rocket, once expected in 2020, in the fourth quarter of 2023. However, neither ESA nor prime contractor ArianeGroup have provided recent updates on that schedule or confirmed that they were still targeting a launch before the end of the year, amid rampant speculation that the launch was slipping into 2024.

>In an April 17 interview during the 38th Space Symposium in Colorado Springs, ESA Director General Josef Aschbacher declined to give an updated schedule for the first Ariane 6 launch, citing ongoing test activities in several areas, such as a hotfire test expected in early July.

>>15432766
very nice
>oh my got it even got dubs

>>15432803
FUCKING
at least tell me bepicolombo is safe

https://spacenews.com/telesat-eyes-2026-for-first-lightspeed-launches-amid-funding-delays/

> CEO Dan Goldberg said May 11 the Canadian geostationary satellite operator would give a more definitive deployment timeframe once it secures all of Lightspeed’s funding, including a sizable chunk expected to come from France’s export credit agency.

> Telesat has so far lined up about $3 billion for the project via internal resources and Canadian government funding, which was about two-thirds of the budget before inflation and supply chain issues added at least $250 million in costs last year.

>

Speaking during the company’s quarterly earnings call with analysts, Goldberg said inflationary pressures have since stabilized but he did not give an update on Lightspeed costs or launch agreements for the nearly 200 satellites to be built by Europe’s Thales Alenia Space.

> Telesat has previously said it plans to use rockets still under development by Blue Origin and Relativity Space to deploy the constellation.

companies building LEO constellations really don't want to use SpaceX for launches
does that even make sense? Its not like it matters much to SpaceX either way as launch revenue from falcon 9 is kind of irrelevant? well at least going much beyond what they have now, its not like SpaceX is going to run out of money

https://spacenews.com/att-and-ast-spacemobile-seek-permission-for-spectrum-leasing-deal/

> Their agreement includes substantially all of AT&T’s low-band frequencies, which satellites AST SpaceMobile plans to start deploying next year would use to close the telco’s coverage gaps across the country.

>The companies need Federal Communications Commission approval for wireless transmissions between a phone and a satellite. AST SpaceMobile chief strategy officer Scott Wisniewski said this could come with a permit for their spectrum leasing arrangement.

> AST SpaceMobile plans to launch its first five commercial satellites in the first quarter of 2024 on a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket.

> Virginia-based Lynk Global, which is also seeking permission to provide direct-to-device commercial services in the U.S. and has three operational satellites in LEO, has not yet disclosed a spectrum partner in the country.

>SpaceX last year said it would use spectrum from T-Mobile to directly connect standard smartphones to upgraded satellites in its Starlink LEO constellation.

>Other space companies are pursuing direct-to-device businesses using frequencies already approved for mobile satellite services, such as Globalstar, which started supporting an SOS application for Apple’s latest iPhones last year.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/05/rocket-report-spacex-hits-success-milestone-vulcan-to-resume-testing/

Small rockets
> Virgin Galactic burns through more money.
> Australia axes spaceport budget
> Ranking the UK launch companies.
> Construction begins on Scottish spaceport.

Medium rockets
> Falcon 9 to launch private space station.
> India set to launch next lunar mission
> Space Force working to accommodate range demand.
> Falcon family hits 200 consecutive successes.

Heavy rockets
> India tests powerful engine prototype
> Vulcan to resume testing
> China completes massive test stand.
> Echostar anticipating summer Falcon Heavy launch.

When can we move away from chemical rockets technology?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_gravity_control_propulsion_research

>>15432831
when we move to a planet with less gravity

https://orbitaltoday.com/2023/05/04/orbital-today-uk-launch-companies-ranking/

tl:dr, the ranking is

>skyrora
>ABL/Lockheed Martin UK
>SmallSpark Space Systems
>Astraius
> Newton Launch Systems
>Orbex
> Virgin Orbit (already bankrupt)

Orbex is second last due to CEO changing abruptly and the creators of this ranking don't think they have very good chances to pull their shit together

>>15432847
>UK Power Rankings
>Number 2: Lockheed Martin

https://www.space.com/china-rocket-engine-test-site-moon-program-video

>China has completed a stand for testing huge rocket engines that could power the country's moon exploration efforts.

>The test stand at Tongchuan in the northwestern province of Shaanxi is now Asia's largest for testing liquid-propellant rocket engines. The facility was constructed in a cut in a hillside, allowing hot rocket exhaust to be safely directed into the remote valley floor below.

>The site conducted a successful engine hot fire test run on April 24, with footage demonstrating a water deluge system designed to cool the exhaust and reduce the sound pressure levels, and showing hot rocket exhaust blasting the valley floor.

>The test stand is designed to support a basic thrust of 700 tons. China has been developing engines capable of 500 tons of thrust as part of its plans to build super heavy-lift rockets for future lunar missions.

>The development is a big boost to China's liquid rocket engine infrastructure, providing a substantial improvement in testing capabilities, according(opens in new tab) to the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC), which owns the stand and is developing China's launch vehicles.

>CASC is developing huge new Long March 9 and Long March 10 series launch vehicles intended for use in deep space exploration, crewed lunar missions and the construction of space infrastructure.

>>15432861
China is so strong, love from Europe

>>15432831
>The peer reviewed physics journal, Physica C, published a report by Eugene Podkletnov and Nieminen about gravity-like shielding.[50] Although their work had gained international attention, researchers were not able to replicate Podkletnov's initial conditions.[51][52][53] But, analyses by Giovanni Modanese[54] and Ning Wu[55] indicated various applications of quantum gravity theory could allow gravitational shielding phenomena. Those achievements have not been pursued by the scientific community.
Not in the open literature anyway...

>>15432807
what a silly name

>>15432861
>7 more years till test flight.

>>15432912
>4 year old photo
they made this before completely fucking with the design again

>>15432900
You're thinking too small
They don't want you to know this, but the ultimate form of space travel has already been achieved.

>>15432911
>oh just one more thing mr Bepi
>why is it called mercury when you of in the cold probe out hot in the probe
>leutenant please let me off this planet
>sign my wife’s thesis book sir

>>15432847
I hope Orbex makes it, someone should use the Sutherland site. The process for building it was so dumb, the government spent ages and then picked Sutherland. Like a week later they gave tens of millions more to (the very British) Lockheed Martin to build a second pad in Shetland. But because they already signed the contract they were paying for both, with no real evidence anyone would use either.

>>15432809
>2026
lmao sciencebois take another L today, 2 more years trust the plan

>>15432947
I'll give you a you because I enjoyed reading your post

>>15432809
you're doing something wrong if you're paying your competitor to compete with them, you just can't win that way, there is no outcome in which you beat them, even if you had all the funding in the world.

>>15432990
To add: the exception to this is maybe if your country has banned your competitor, or excluded them from nat. sec. contracts.

so what happened to the JUSTICE antenna thing? Is it fixed?

I remember seeing stuff about dreamchaser being 'almost ready' like 10 years ago. Is it really just a scam?

>>15433015
They have signed to launch on the second flight of Vulcan, which at this point will be as early as December but possibly 2024

>>15431268
The people behind these companies want to launch stuff into space, not make weapons, plus just making a rocket is already enough red tape and bureaucracy, imagine also having to deal with even more red tape and bureaucracy just for a secondary objective

>>15433007
Currently JUSTED

https://murray-lab.caltech.edu/CTX/

>>15431275
not if the mighty long march 9 has something to say about it gwailo

>>15431305
by 2100 the biggest ethnicity in the burger pie is going to be the same as it is now, germans. Not even your doommongering latinos can completely oust them with illegal aliens. That and the latter loves to stay in the most southern most sunbelt parts, far away from the wet, cold and dark north

>>15431374
if the stars align right you can have relatively independent departments inside mega corpos doing their thing successfully and without micro managing interference

>>15433090
Latinos are themselves mix
The biggest single component in the American salad is the Briton

>>15432911
I'd like to hear you come up with a less silly name.

>>15432947
That meme turns 10 thus year

>>15433088
ahh, the rocket that completely changes its design every other week?

>>15432766
fucking kek

>>15433118
Why are you so mad dog?

>>15433043

>>15432990
so you pay 2x to your competitors competitor?
its going to make your situation even worse, takes longer to get profitable, longer to get the constellation online in the first place due to other launchers not even being ready or having shit cadence
and I mean not all of them are retarded like this (refuse to use SpaceX), for example look at AST SpaceMobile >>15432814

>>15433129
ah so the rocket fulfilment centre produces t-shirts

>>15433125
cope chang, in this general we talk about real rockets

>"This is a way to keep tabs on what these companies are doing, and how they are developing new technologies and craft that will turn the UK into a hotbed of space launch activity!" the list author wrote excitedly. I'll be honest, I have never heard of some of these companies. And the only one I feel fairly confident will ultimately reach orbit is Lockheed, which is partnering with ABL Space to launch the RS1 rocket from the SaxaVord. Both companies are also based in the United States.
brutal

>>15432990
Yeah but you won't best them by paying more money to somebody else instead.

>The Ariane 6 rocket will now debut no earlier than the spring of 2024
euroqueers not again...

>>15433162
At this point I can't imagine that Ariane 6 will fly more than once or twice a year.

How could the space force utilize Starship?

>>15433167
you love to see it
>The development of the Ariane 6 rocket is a matter of some urgency for Europe, which has set "independent access to space" as a priority. However, the Ariane 5 rocket will make its final flight before retirement in June, leaving the continent without a medium-lift launch capability. It's likely that the European Space Agency will have to resort to buying launches from its competitor, SpaceX, for institutional satellite launches.

>There has been some criticism that Europe did not innovate enough with the design of its Ariane 6 rocket when the vehicle was conceived in 2014. The booster is largely an update of Ariane 5 technologies, with an eye toward reducing costs, rather than a major step toward a reusable booster like the Falcon 9. However, if the rocket had arrived by its original target in 2020, it would find no shortage of customers given the current lack of launch capacity in the Western world.

>Instead, the Ariane 6 will now be about four years late and compete against a new generation of rockets with varying levels of reuse and cost competitiveness—including Rocket Lab's Neutron vehicle, United Launch Alliance's Vulcan, SpaceX's Starship, Blue Origin's New Glenn, Relativity Space's Terran R, Japan's H3 rocket, and more. In other words, had ArianeGroup executed on the development of Ariane 6, it could have gotten the jump on all of these vehicles and been the West's alternative to the Falcon 9.

>Now, it represents a missed opportunity.

>>15433148

>>15433172
larger spy sats

>>15433174
Why does a cost-reduction rocket take so long before it can launch?

>100 meter long station within the next 20 years
now that the dust has settled, how likely is this?

>>15433184
pretty high if they get their first falcon based can up there in the next 4-5 years.

Imagine if Starship development never happened, what kind of Falcon rocket we would have. When companies are just now trying to develop rockets to compete with F9, we would have improved F9 already flying at this point.

>>15433184
If they can build each module quickly and for cheap, combined with the rapid reuse of starship it seems likely, it seems like that thing can be built in 7 starship launches, maybe less if you put 2 modules on a single launch

space walk in progress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg

>>15433182
reducing costs takes countless bureaucratic manhours, meetings, consultations on diversity etc

>>15433184
Isn't ISS already 100 meters long?

>>15433212
iss doesn't spin and costs $200bn

>>15433214
>iss doesn't spin
there was that one time

>>15433174
How odd of them to say if A6 had launched on time it would be "the west's alternative to Falcon 9". I get that they mean western Europe, because USA is part of the west when speaking more broadly, or maybe they exclude SpaceX due to it being a private company rather than an oldspace style public/private thing.

Even if it A6 was flying in 2020, it wouldn't have been competitive with falcon 9, it would only have survived through institutional orders.

>>15433224
based russians following in O'Neill's footsteps.

>>15433212
you can't include power masts, radiators, antennas and whatnot; pressurized volume is the key measure of station size

>>15433229
i think they meant competitor rather than alternative.

Where did SpaceX poach its engineers from?

remember when Mir had a Soyuz crash the fuck into it. Remember that time Mir caught on fire. Remember that one time Mir had a terrible mold problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM7fTLLmgbk

>>15433239
No need to, people with ambition go to spacex

>>15433239
I know Mueller was working in oldspace, designing engines that he couldn't' get approval to build.

>>15433197
WHO DESIGNED THIS FUCKING BOLT LOCATION???

>>15433015
It's not a scam, they just had to redesign HL-20 crew-based spaceplane into spaceplane-shaped Cygnus, because Boing stole their commercial crew loicense.

>>15433197
why is the translator always so shit

SLS Heavy, New Glenn Heavy, and Falcon Heavy Heavy

>>15433309
>new glenn heavy
>0 tonnes to leo

kino mirror shot

>>15433118
it just shows how the mighty dragon can far out innovate anything white devils can make. First you companies belong to us, then your land and houses, now your rockets merely try to copy what China has achieved

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1657050349608501249

somewhat relevant, although I don't think it changes much
Elon is pretty good at focusing on whats important at each moment and context switching (or I guess he more tends to work on one company a day, then other company another day etc but maybe this isnt entirely accurate anymore)

>>15433319
I think when lunar starship development really gets cranking along elon will be in the trenches for it every day. I can see him wanting to dip his toes in the design for it.

>>15433319

iss is janky af

>>15433319
Why he would appoint a WEF global leader as CEO ? It makes absolutely no sense , give that he himself talked shit about that organization.

Then i saw this news :

"Elon Musk is appealing an agreement he made with the SEC, in which a lawyer is required to overlook some of his activities on Twitter"
[https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-appeals-twitter-limitations/]

It was forced to. He had no choice

>>15433346

>>15433353
yeah i know im sorry. It was related to Elon and Elon is part of /sfg/. Chill

shrimp cocktail is the most spacecore food

>Starship to Mars
>fast forward 7 months
>entering athmosphere
>bellyflop
>Engine ignition
>2 engines fail to ignite
>SN9.mov tier
>ouuups 7 people ded

>>15433376
they wouldn't try to pull that maneuver on mars; not enough air

>>15433376
ok? try again.

>>15433309
It's just that easy in rocketry

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1657069386547470337

https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Juice/Juice_s_RIME_antenna_breaks_free

The JUICE is loose

>>15433396
yay!

> More than three weeks after efforts began to deploy Juice’s ice-penetrating Radar for Icy Moons Exploration (RIME) antenna, the 16-metre-long boom has finally escaped its mounting bracket.

>>15433376
The first manned ship will be after hundreds of cargo ships land there and have ISRU, Solar, rovers, and surface have already there, ready to be set up. It’s gonna be safer than a block 5 landing today.

>>15433396
DOOMERS BTFO
EESA IS GOING

>>15433396
Nice. What are the odds NASA starts adding engineering cameras to payloads

This sounds like a pretty good case for including them

https://twitter.com/Starlink/status/1657056034719174656

>>15433376
No one dies, first arrivals is just pure automaton

>>15433396
Thank god... Sending a mission to Jupiter moons without the underground scanner would have been such a waste

>>15433396
Good on them!

What did they mean by this?

>>15433367
I bet this tastes so good

>>15433396
doomer "bros", we got too dang cocky

>>15433420
Europoors have some weird thing where they think acronyms can be lowercase

>>15433426
Everything about words made up of other words is weird, just thank your lucky stars they don't include periods between letters like they used to in the 60s

Reminder that Juice has the power of 7 MMRTGs and it makes plutoniumfags seethe

>>15433410
Allowing non first world countries to access the internet was a mistake

>>15433462
allowing anyone who couldn't work out how to computah before 2005 was a mistake.

What is the minimum cost you could have a space station for today?
say you shopped around at all the newspace startups and oldspace companies and said "give me a functional station module and make it cheap, cut whatever corners you have to". They you threw it up on a falcon heavy and docked a crew dragon to it. Could you get all this done for less than 500 million dollars? 250 million? 150 million? at that point it's almost only launch costs

>>15433473
>cut whatever corners you have to

>>15433476
oldspace cuts no corners. they spend untold time and money thinking of every eventuality. that's why mars polar lander, shuttle, and juice all worked without any issues ever

>>15433396
eesabros.. just a decade and it'll be our time

>>15433473
Theoretically all you need is a pressure vessel with some air circulation equipment, some radiators and a heat exchanger

In practice humans are going to live in there and if you don't include any safety features you're building a flying coffin, Mir style

>>15433401
we're back!

>>15433489
>a bit
Understatement of the decade

JPL is on fire, and nothing is going to space until that gets put out. This does mean that their East Coast rival, APL, is going to get more work in the long term

CALT proposed more reusable rockets, seems to be based off of Long March 9
7 130t-thrust kerolox YF-100N in 5m core LEO 14t
12 80t-thrust metholox YF-209 in 5m core LEO 15t
25 YF-209 in 7m core LEO 25t
13 200t-thrust FFSC metholox "Chinese Raptors" in 7m core LEO 50t
30 Chinese Raptors in 10m core LEO 100t

https://twitter.com/cnspaceflight/status/1657048497194168320?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>15433396
>>15433401
Yay. I had some faith because Mars Express also had a difficult deployment. They ended up using sunlight to heat sections until it locked into place.
It would be a real shame if it spent the whole mission missing an instrument.

>>15433495
That's nice, but what the hell are they planning to do in space that requires that much rocketry/payload

They're making noise about sending people to the moon, but they don't have anything big enough to do that and I'm pretty sure that it's going to cost money they don't have

>>15433426
first letters are merely suggestions

https://twitter.com/Ringwatchers/status/1657003432044003336

cool thread

>>15433501
Yea, don’t forget all the falcon heavy clones they are building. Seriously what do they need all these heavy launchers for? They’re gonna have the same problem we have with an oversupply of small launch

>>15433420
When you make up the acronym there's little point in pretending. ESA's GAIA became Gaia, particularly because the original meaning didn't apply to the final design (not an interferometer).

>>15433515
I think one of them claims FH payload or slightly bigger, but the others are substantially smaller.
Also gotta love the second stage gridfins in the top right lmao.

>>15433501
Actually thinking about it, China may be pragmatic enough to actually succeed at in-orbit assembly of a vehicle from multiple launches. They'll need to know how to do that for Mars sample return

>>15433511
the plan is now to just armor up the engines enough to facetank concrete. I guess the expendable launch pad meme wasn't a meme after all.

>>15433515
China funds new tech like VCs do, they give money to a dozen companies and hope that a few of them make it. They did it with EVs and it worked great

>>15431774
And this was built under tents...

>>15433552
In machine tooling jigs with climate control, so it's not exactly Mark 1 grade no-infrastructure construction these days.

>>15433555
Ha, Thor-Agena was built like it was a water tower, with ordinary panel beaters working on stainless steel sheets

>>15433468
yes

>>15433559
Starship isn't all that sophisticated, they make the rings by unrolling coil stock sheets in ~28.3 meter lengths before welding the cut ends together and then butt-welding each of those rings into a stack of rings.

>>15433396
>>15433401
Nice, for once this kind of "let's try to unstuck a mechanical part from 100 000 000km away" didn't fail

>>15433573
starship makes everything look so easy it makes me wonder why others struggle with things like common bulkheads, non-spherical tanks, not spending tens of millions of dollars per engine, etc.

>>15433586
>why others struggle with things like common bulkheads
That is often due to insisting on hydromeme for Muh Isp [tm], LH2 is just too cold to use a simple wall between it and LOX.

>>15433586
SpaceX is spending a lot more capital up front developing the technology, and it'd be even worse if they didn't have massive vertical integration. Raptor 2 makes Starship's hilariously overbuilt hull a non-issue.

>>15433586
mass and optimisation autism vs just making the rocket bigger with a larger safety factor.

The Tito flight still boggles my mind. Dude's old as fuck.

>>15433601
This is how man got to the moon once, and how we will do it again
Ass ass-water as the movie title goes