/sci/ - Science & Math

>zealotry
we had an example of that here a few days ago.
>>15403296

>vegfag; Meat is Morally wrong
>anon: why?
>vegfag: it just is
>anon: why?
>vegfag: .....

I just want to take this opportunity to restate my stance that perennial pasture and grass fed cattle are better for us and better for the environment than SOI and lettuces.

>>15408833
It really depeds how the pasture is managed.
but the better use of nitrifying clover and the low soil run off risk are a serious positive

>>15408848
It's the rootmass beneath the surface which is the most impressive element of perennial pasture to me. Though omega 3 is much higher in grass fed beef than feedlot beef. You still raise good points though.

Anyway this corresponds to better water infiltration, upcycling of nutrients, vastly superior carbon sequestration and improved soil building.

>>15408877
but that omega three is only CLA and ALA.
Yeah it's way better than stock fattened on omega 6 heavy grains but it's not DHA and and EPA

>>15408804
Cows are by far the most efficient way of transforming readily available, indigestible to humans plant matter, in the form of grasses and flowering herbs.
Anyone telling you chickens, pigs or some other monogastic animal is better is full of shit. A cow with it's massive digestive system has far better extraction of energy and proteins than any small animal. These comparisons only measure weight and neglect nutrient density, water content, food value of grass vs the grains fed to chickens etc.
A beef cow eats 90% of it's lifetime energy in the form of pasture grazing, 10% is grains just before slaughter to increase the quality of the end product.

>>15408919
The true value of monogastrics is to consume byproducts efficiently and act as a mechanism to offset food gluts and famines.

If you have a good crop you feed more pigs, meaning more cheap pork, if you have a bad crop you just don't raise as many pigs despite cultivating the same cropped area each year.
The effect of this is that you mostly stabilise the grain market, if you are in any danger of famine you simply divert grain back to humans.
Pork has a pretty short turnaround and expansion rates but chicken production is even quicker.

>>15408804
This was refuted already by the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, meat is unhealthy and is obviously unnecessary for health

>>15408833
>perennial pasture and grass fed cattle are better for us and better for the environment than SOI and lettuces.
No they are not, grassfed beef is a meme and unsustainable

>>15408827
Because is mass murder, and murder is wrong, or are you pro-murder?

>>15409057
I'm a human, you are an animal

>>15409075
humans are mammals and therefore animals, this is the science board

>>15409078
when an animal kills a human is that murder?
when a lion kills a zebra is that murder?

>>15408804
I am vegetarian for religious reasons though, I do eat dairy and eggs so not a vegan retard.

>>15409089
>when an animal kills a human is that murder?
yeah is violence
>when a lion kills a zebra is that murder?
yeah is violence, lions have no choice however since they can't eat plants

>>15409092
religion is for retards so is no wonder you have a retard opinion

>>15409107
>violence
We use specific terms for a reason.
Is it murder?

>>15409112
i already said yes, is an act of violence and murder

>>15409111
I have no opinion retard, I have been a vegetarian for my whole life, I am not forcing it on anyone, It's my religious belief.
Atheism is arrogant incels.

>>15409115
So we should try animals in a court of law for murder.

>>15409126
idc what have you been, you are forcing suffering on sentient beings, your religious belief is centered around doing violence towards others

>>15409131
no, animals in general do not have the capacity to get taken into a court so if an animal murders or tries to do violence to someone you have the right to kill and stop it since is just self defense

>>15408804
pic rel is unironically the truth. chickens and pigs are unhealthy compared to that for the exact same reason.

in practical terms: piga and chickens can throw any cheap shit you throw at them even if it's cannibalism.

>>15409148
So when someone exterminates a bedbug infestation, they should go to court because they are committing genocide?

>>15409166
no, a bedbug infestation means animals are messing up with your property so you have the right to stop them, the same way if someone started to hammer the walls of your home, and yes this applies to children and mentally disabled people, you have the right to stop them by any means if they start to mess with your property

>>15409172
So if a child is hammering on my wall, I have a right to kill them?

>>15409141
Cope and Seethe.
Vegans need to airdropped into the wild jungle without anything.
You subhumans have very faggy idea of nature.

>>15409107
They didn't ask if it is violence. They asked if it meets the definition of murder.

>>15409175
no unless is a life and dead scenario where the child is also trying to kill you, unlike bedbugs you can softly reason to a certain extend with the chilld to stop doing that and find his parents as well, it depends on the situation

>>15409187
animals constantly murder their own cubs and cannibalize and rape each other, there's also viruses and cancer in nature, who told you that nature = good? religiontard

>>15409126
That's almost certainly our atheistvegan friend
you have tthreatened his lettuce eaf idol

>>15409166
Absolutely, how can you think otherwise.
Also whenever you kill or poison the rabbits and other animals trying to eat your crops or the mice trying to eat your grain stores, every single life you take is just as violent and heinous as killing a human

>>15409203
So you agree that nature doesn't follow your conception of "good"? ok that's a first step towards understanding why the world is like the way it is.

>>15409211
Ok so you agree that genocide is completely normal (widespread) thing in nature, that is yet another step towards understanding why your concept of "nonviolence" and "good" is maladaptive.

>>15409191
Ok so what you're saying is it's okay to kill animals because they aren't capable of reason like a child is. Got it, just wanted to clear the air, friend.

>>15409215
Nature is not bad either, is just neutral, murdering however is bad and avoidable, that's the whole point of veganism, to reduce suffering for as much possible, moron
>why the world is like the way it is.
Is mostly bad because is filled with retard religionists like you

>>15409223
that's not what i say, strawman retard, they have to mess with you and your property first for it to be fine to kill them since is self defense, the same applies to humans
you are not tracking, idiot

>>15409221
Anon I don't mean to distract from the debate, that was purely a satire, of course every cabbage you eat you are directly causing the murder through starvation of countless animals.

>>15409238
Ok so it's not okay to kill an animal if its benefitting in any way from humans is what you're saying?

>>15409273
it's not okay to kill anyone if they didn't start to do violence either to you or your property, saying otherwise is being pro-violence and pro-murder

>>15409284
What if to a degree I'm pro violence and killing?

>>15409288
psychopathy is not an argument, is a mental illness

>>15409291
How does that make me a psycopath?

>>15409126
>>15409111
atheism and theism are two obnoxious sides of the same coin. Look. Basically I'm agnostic and don't care. I know.. UGH I know.. IM SORRY! It's just that I'm agnostic and don't care is all. Hahahaha.

>>15409300
being pro-violence is a trait of being a psychopath/sociopath

>>15409309
I said to a degree I support it. I understand that life comes with death and killing. I know its something difficult for you to wrap your head around which is why your only response is to use a buzzword that should only be reserved for people who are legitimate sadists rather than actually think about what I said. But you can only think in black and white, and refuse to see life as this incredibly nuanced thing. It's very us-vs-them thinking.

>>15409309
You are actually retarded or underage either way get off your computer.

>>15409284
What if they're setting up to do violence to you in the future but through defeating them now you can prevent that future threat to your safety?

>>15409306
The temple of god is within you.

>>15408927
There needs to be some sort of regulations to how these animals are farmed and then slaughtered, for instance I believe the mechanized saw blade slicing chicken necks upside down on a conveyor is terrible.

There should be a push to ban mechanized slaughter and force men to kill the livestock by hand, cleanly, and have classes on how to perform.

>>15409057
Murder is a legal term for a man killing a man, killing an animal and consuming it is a whole other ball game, you have insecurities to overcome.

>>15408804
Your mom drinks from this glass. Therefore mom is cum based meat.
Vegans and vegetarians are arrogant larpers with a savior complex devoting energy and resources to save subservient animals before making sure humans aren't starving to death. How cringe.

>>15409046
Only fucking idiots are vegans, you stupid piece of shit. Now eat the bug you moron.

>>15409519

Only applies if they are being vegetarian for ”i am saving the planet reasons” many people are vegetarian cause of other reasons

>>15409574
Akzulee...insects are not vegan. Get dunked on reppies.

>>15409057
"murder" specifically refers to the killing of humans, if you cannot differentiate between humans and animals then you are mentally ill

>>15409695
It gets worse than that, if you equate animals with humans then it becomes legal to treat humans like animals...scary

>>15409506
Perennial pasture poster here and I agree. We should treat the animals better out of respect for their sacrifice.

>>15409423
which one? christian? jewish? pagan? grecian? hindu? buddhist?

>>15408804
So basically nature spent millions of years to invent cows. Now egotistical scientists believe they can one up all that time and effort in a few short human lifetimes? Make a better wheel? Talk about hubris.

Remind me again which is more agile, a helicopter or a humming bird or a dragonfly? Exactly.

>>15408827
All moral statements can be boiled down to axiomatic statements of right and wrong. Do you want a vegan to say “suffering”? And why is that wrong? Eventually you just have to say something is wrong.

>>15408833
I support switching to only pasture fed grass beef. $400 dollars per lb of beef does not seem too excessive to me.
(grass fed beef is just market researched term for cows on a feedlot fed alfalfa from the imperial valley)
>>15410002
Cows were invented of thousands of years alongside with all modern crops and fruit.

>>15410160
>$400 dollars per lb of beef does not seem too excessive to me.
eh? where the hell are you pasturing cattle that it costs anything like that to finish cattle?

>>15408804
where is the original study you fucking faggot, how hard is it to not post a fucking news article but the original fucking study

>>15409506
>>15409768
You must really hate meat because you wouldn't be eating much of it with the skyrocketing prices that would cause.

>>15410204
Humane slaughter doesn't cost that much

>>15410213
>Humane
animals are not human, you are mentally ill if you cannot tell the difference between animals and people

>>15410170
Only finishing cattle? So we’re back to 10 months on a feedlot feeding them grain + alfalfa?

>>15409506
Oh no the brown immigrant slave labor will have to push different buttons on a machine rather than hanging it on an automatic machine… this will really get people to understand the impacts of their diet…

>>15410213
No, it doesn't, except when compared to extremely efficient automation.

And I hope you realize how insane you sound with the "humane" argument. Naive feel-good bullshit that changes nothing. We still eat other animals, even if we were to cut down our efficiency at it for no reason. We completely dominate all other animals on the entire planet and do whatever the fuck we want with them at our whim. Horse populations peaked when we needed them for transportation, and went back to natural levels when the car took over. We turned wild wolves into work animals and later bred them into unhealthy dysgenic failures for no other reason than our own ignorance and amusement. Our advancement has destroyed countless species and will continue to do so.
Welcome to humanity. You can turn your human compassion and higher moral values towards animals to feel good but ultimtely that's just a brain glitch. Your lizard brain didn't develop empathy and mirror neurons to make you a worse hunter, it was to keep your own pack safe. You're just too deep in higher reasoning and too disconnected from our animal nature if you feel bad for your food.

>>15410286
0. Actually we bred dogs because we like them
1. I don’t eat meat
2. People obsessively posting cats, fluffy animals, animals being silly, happy, is not because they are stuck in “higher reasoning”
3. Evopsych is not science

>>15410334
>1. I don’t eat meat
low iq from brain atrophy

>>15409203
>murder
that word specifically refers to the killing of humans, animals cannot be murdered

>>15408804
cow eats 12.5% of its body mass fresh grass each day

>>15410549
grass isn't meant to be grown in the imperial valley, the place is a complete desert and we are wasting water on growing cow feed

>>15410630
>grass isn't meant to be grown in the imperial valley
meant to by who? you're an atheist.

>>15410640
by people who are experiencing a region-wide water shortage

>>15410645
cali just had one of the wettest winters in a long time, you don't have any shortages, you're lying about water shortages because you're a vegan atheist faggot who lies about everything

>>15410759
in a long time? so they haven't been having wet winters? is all you do n=1 outlier shit? i expect this shit behavior from libtards talking about negro crime. the water shortage is experienced upstream by nevada & colorado because california was a state first so they claimed most of the water usage for it. or you can just pretend to be retarded and ignore that

>>15410240
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

>>15410779
you don't have any water shortages, you have intentional mismanagement by greedy, misanthropic political environmentalists. saudi arabia has desalinization projects, they're 3rd worlders, if the people in charge of cali & the region wanted to have more water then cali would have desalinization too, but they don't, what they want is to starve people to death by limiting access to water. resource scarcity rumors are all lies.

>>15410286
I don't know of any animal which is mechanically slaughtered here in Australia. The closest thing is pigs getting gassed in carousel cages but that's currently getting shut down.

>>15408804
Fucking retatds shooting in the dark, and forcing their random guesses on everyone else. People are sick from the lack of heavy metals. Lead, mercury and cadmium are essential nutrients, we eat too much iron, and too little copper. Excess calcium seems to use up lead on bones, which makes you retarded if you have too little.

>>15408804
Britbongs contribute something of note to science in the 21st century? I guess they aren't so terrible after all--
>you have been subscribed to the Podcast of the Lotus Eaters. Thank you for you patronage
FUCK!

>>15408877
hey, he's touching more grass than this entire website combined!

>>15408919
Using animals for recycling useless products makes sense, but that gives you a piece of meat once a week.
>>15408927
Most crops don't spoil, you can keep enough stored for several years.

>>15411074
yes, granary storage is quite useful, but the living granary effect of livestock is more versatile and responsive without relying on large grain storage.

I recommend the boook Meat a benign extravagence by Simon Fairlie, it's a little old now but the principles of his arguments are solid.
He expands on the concept of default livestock where the byproducts of everything else we grow to produce food like bread and sugar or fibre crops lead to on a per person basis a certain quantity of meat being naturally produced, it's actually a surprisingly decent quantity just by redirecting these by products to livestock consumption instead of letting them rot or be burnt.
We also have to contend with land types that are marginal for cropping directly human consumable foods, like any field with too steep a gradient. The amount of land in the world actually suitable for arable or horticulture is surprisingly small.

>>15409057
trillions must die to enable my life

>>15411274
You should ask any grain farmer how many mice they poison every year. The poison causes them to die from internal bleeding. You're a hilariously ignorant hypocrit.

>>15409092
Hello Mr. Pajeet. It is time to do pooja.

okay so what do I do if I've been vegetarian since birth
is it over

>>15412489
you kill yourself, you are garbage.

>>15409722
thats judaism, they consider all non-jews to be the equivalent of animals. vegans are the same way.

>>15411108
>the living granary effect of livestock
What the fuck
>is more versatile
No it definitely isn't. Fucking how? It still needs to eat. Stored grain or smoked meat doesn't.

>>15412913
So vegans want to be literal goyim?

>>15408804
Veganism is only for the strongest and most enduring humans. The herbivore animals are some of the strongest like the oxen. A human living on that diet would have to be equally as strong.

>>15413367
your strongest herbivores spend whole day eating.

>>15413371
> Overall they usually graze anywhere from six to 11 hours every day. The bulk of that grazing will be during daylight hours. Cattle do not generally spent a lot of time grazing at night.

Wow, did not know that. Still though their diets should be measured on muscle strength not on hours eating.

>>15413375
their time spent grazing is actually somewhat short, it's the rumination that takes the time.

>>15413367
A lion fucks up any herbivore you can think of ez

>>15413394
cape buffalo?

>>15413390
still, they eat A LOT. humans cannot waste so much time eating, they need operate forklifts, shitpost on forums etc.

>>15413394
Elephant vs lion.

>>15413394
A lions diet is still likely far removed from the burger eaters who complain about veganism on the internet.

>>15413394
An elephant, rhino, hippopotamus, just to name a few, can fuck up several lions at the same time. Also some animals like giraffe can defend well against them. Not to mention most of the largest dinosaurs in the past were herbivores.

>>15413410
Pointless comparison. Lions and other cats go several days or even weeks without catching something. Humans also couldn't operate forklifts or shitpost on forums, if he spent their time hunting

>>15409057
I have a better question. Do you think it is wrong to kill a mass murderer? if not then murder is not wrong.

>>15413424
the vegans are the loudmouths who never shut up, normal people only talk back because the mentally ill losers with artificial dietary restrictions can't stop talking about themselves and their holier than thou lifestyle

>>15411073
Underrated post

>>15410002
Nature didn't "invent" anything. Or, from a certain perspective, nature invented everything, being that we, humans, are an extension of nature.
Anyway, cows have been selectively bred by humans for millennia at this point, and it's a lot more effective for specialising animals than natural selection.

Your comparison between methods of flight is... Odd, to say the least. It seems very apples-to-oranges to me, natural selection and human innovation have totally different standards. Most of nature is full of terrible solutions that work just well enough to prevent the species from going extinct. Engineering often produces elegant, simple and efficient solutions to practical problems. In fact, humans have solved many problems nature could not, take diabetes, for example, whereby the pancreas stops producing insulin, for no reason, and your body loses most of its ability to regulate your blood glucose levels. Nature's solution is for diabetics to die. Our solution is to artificially create insulin, harvested from genetically modified bacteria.
Conversely, natural things have an element of self-repair to them. Living things heal, to a greater or lesser extent. Man-made things usually do not, they last longer overall, but degrade continuously over their lifetimes.

>>15413433
still, predators eat ~5% of their body mass meat daily. go read your Wikipedia, shill.

>>15413429
strongest herbivores are also the dumbest, no time to be curious, no challenge. predators are way more intelligent, human like. cats and dogs made into favorite pets, not cows.

>>15408804
Why is this still a thing? This science was settled centuries ago, humans are omnivores, we can eat everything! Just eat in moderation. Anything outside of that is just morals, which as nothing to do with science.

>>15413665
Food occupies similar thought processes as religion. Everyone is like this about any diet. See how westerners make fun of bug eaters. Or the French and snails. Or you about vegans or vegetarians. I see plenty of people who are subconsciously insecure about vegans or vegetarians. You eat one meal without meat and they freak out and start asking you questions. You play it off as “I’m just eating light” but the moment they figure out you’re a vegetarian, you will be verbally abused at least on a weekly basis as a heretic. The response to these sort of things is always religious in nature. That’s not to say it’s illogical - religion does interface with parts of logic, particularly on language (which is why religious people are often wordcels). But religion also has extreme emotional outbursts, and that’s what you see. Like look at far East asians and people who don’t wash their rice. The ancients Greeks used to make fun of the herders to the north as “butter eaters”.

So veganism and vegetarianism is a religious expression, and so is meat eating.

With that said, I am not religiously tolerant and I think it’s pretty vile and morally disgusting to grow animals in pens and to murder animals.

>>15413864
Morality affects science. There’s a reason testing in great apes is supposed to be banned/heavily regulated.

>>15413864
it's about "carbon trail", and making people eat as little as possible, only enough to spend 8 hours in office and 4 hours watching MSM propaganda. and then after few decades of wage slaving die "from cancer" or "aids", i.e. malnutrition. 80%-90% of population do not really "work", don't create value, they are "occupied", performing useless rituals to kill time and annoy each other, no reason to waste much resources on them.

>>15408804
i dont understand how people can actually believe that humans arent carnivores. without meat it would have been impossible for our ancestors to get the nutrients they need. having to ship a bunch of different plants from across the planet just to SURVIVE in a plant based diet just shows how you have failed life. why were humans HUNTER gatherers or herders for most of their history? its because you need to eat animals obviously, but again people think that humans all had diets of 80%+ plants year fucking round

>>15413960
Imagine being this retarded

>>15414134
humans figured out how to kill and cut up meat without using their teethe and outsourced some processing steps to the cook pot.

>c: JAWJY

>>15414143
>humans had carnivore fangs before they invented cutting tools
lol, lmao in fact

>>15414134
retard is you. only humans from your set survive successfully in the North. also, do you know who are Chukchi and what their diet is?

>>15414188
Chukchi manlets, and even their diet contains seaweed, leaves and roots

>>15414134

>>15414226

>>15414134
The chimp "frugivore" part is still the greatest aspect of this image, it's making a retarded point in the first place but the chimp claim is just good enough for retards to go "yeah, chimps just eat fruit and stuff right?" and then get hung up on the rest of the image, great infohazard by whoever created it

>>15414226
>>15414230
That's still nowhere near the sharpness of any carnivore.

>>15414134
>frugivore
>excluding monkeys, small deer, members of rival troops, birds, infants that strayed too far from their mother, etc, etc

>>15414200
basically you confirmed that you are a shill promoting grass eating disregarding any sense, let alone common

>>15414226
>>15414230
Imagine posting this cope thinking those are anything close to carnivore teeth

>>15414287
The cannibalism and monkey hunting are still fairly rare behaviors for them. Pretty much any animal will eat a fresh carcass if it's available, like that gif of a horse eating a baby chick. Likewise even wolves will occasionally eat grass or other plant matter. It's important to recognize the difference between an animal's main diet vs rarer behaviors.

>>15414828
how rare? weekly? monthly?

>>15414828
dude, that's the point. animals eat what they like, stupid humans eat what other humans tell em to eat. that's very logical, listen to your body and give to it what it asks for.

>>15415042
>animals eat what they like
Its a combination of that an whats within reach. Cows like to eat snakes and baby birds, but they're not really built to chase after them very effectively, so the cows mostly eat grass, which can't run away. Deer, pigs and squirrels all like acorns, but the deer and pigs can't reach them until they've fallen to the ground.

>>15414134
you are a fucking idiot. why do healthy humans have stomach pH from 1.5-2.5 if we are supposed to be some kind of herbivore/frugivore? please explain to me why most digestion happens in the small intestine rather than the large intestine and why every one of your primitive ancestors would do almost anything to eat meat? my teeth have never been whiter than they are now that i eat raw or even fermented meat. eating plants all day will make your teeth look british. Our teeth dont fucking matter because we have TWO HANDS that we use for making tools that do all the work for us. we dont need claws for we have spears, we dont need fangs for we have knives, and so on

>>15409309
So is breathing air retard.
Being pro-"violence that is necessary for survival" (as agriculture very clearly is) doesn't mean one is a psychopath.

>>15414134
>chimpanzee: frugivore
Right

>>15414828
>>15415103
Chimps creating organised hunting parties and preferentially hunting certain species of monkey actively are not comparable to a cow or horse opportunistically munching on some small animal because it has a salt deficiency or something

>>15414134
Ah the classic tooth comparison. It’s almost like we don’t have large canine teeth because we use tools to kill our prey so don’t need them. The fact you used a picture of a chimp with the smallest canine teeth you could find is also pretty funny

>>15413681
Quite a zinger, but its fake news, I've already harvested kale, spinach & snow peas so far this year, lettuce is getting there too.

>>15413410
but we dont need to patrol to outskirts of our territories to piss on trees

>>15415353
Its the same thing, they'll all subsist on eat access plants unless something better makes itself available, the monkeys are just a little bit more proactive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWvQfGXO6rI

>>15417339
It absolutely is not the same thing. Chimps don’t fully subsist on plants even when you ignore the monkey hunting in the first place. A deer brainlessly chewing on a baby bird is not comparable to a chimp sharpening a stick and using it as a spear to skewer a bush baby, one has prior predatory intent behind it. You could have used another primate that is fully herbivorous as an example, like gorillas. Chimps are not herbivores full stop

>>15417564
I wonder what apes are fed in zoos.

>>15417567
Zoos have pre made kibble shit along with fresh veggies and meat for primates. Same with most animals, there was some guy on /fit/ asking if bear kibble was good to eat since gorilla kibble was too high in fibre

>>15417771
and how much, relative to specimen weight?
googling for military rations could not find exact specification with weight and proportions.

>>15415352
soience invents nonsense categories like that and the willfully ignores all evidence that they're wrong, because >muh soience is more important than reality
delusional

>>15415352
no animal can be strictly frugivorous, animals need to eat whole year, and fruits are seasonal. humans are the only animals tricked into eating fruits which are acidic, body rejects them, so people use sugar to deceive body with taste and feel of satisfaction, and force their children to eat that shit. propaganda is full of magic words like "calories", "vitamins", "microelements", helps government, helps economy, gives work to physicians and dentists. even red color of berries is a natural sign of poison. same about honey, which is shit.

>>15419521
animals don't know the difference between plants and meat, they only know
>does it smell edible?
followed by
>can i chew it?
and
>does it taste edible?
and if digestion works out then they remember the initial odor as something thats good

nerds make up autistic imaginary categories and think that they're real because nerds are stupid.

>>15419741
I once saw a very hungry dog eat and swallow its own shit it just shat out, and it was very happy. still, it's a carnivore animal.

>>15409046
You're a fucking clown

>>15409046
Pretty sure we are omnivores by nature.

>>15419820
I have unusually vicious looking canine, as a kid I remember showing them to a vegan in my class who was talking shit our teeth where flat because how we're clearly herbivores and she looked at me like I was some kind of beef-vampire.

>>15419829
>I have unusually vicious looking canine, as a kid I remember showing them to a vegan in my class who was talking shit our teeth where flat because how we're clearly herbivores and she looked at me like I was some kind of beef-vampire.
i had those too but over the years several "accidents" i have broken the tips of my canines

>>15414134
Imagine thinking that you can compare diets of species based on their teeth only. We are the only species that cooks meat to make it easier to eat and digest. Does that fact just goes over your head without triggering neuron response?

>>15419820
> we
shill signature. humans are omnivorous by design.

>>15419820

>>15419841
less jaw muscle & smaller teeth = more headspace for brain

>>15419829
>vegan
>she
virtue signaling is always a sign of a bitch

>>15408877
Look at all of that above ground mass on the agriculture compared to the tiny amount of wasted root mass. That garbage on the left is all waste
FUCK YEAH AGRICULTURE

>>15419454
Herbivore, only eats plants, never meat, doesn't even know how to eat meat, doesn't want to, can't digest it
t. soience

vegetarianism is a mental illness and low iq, even animals aren't stupid enough to be vegetarians

>>15408804
>cows eat grass
>grass utilizes solar energy
>solar energy is produced by nuclear fusion

Cows are nuclear powered.

>>15409051
>No they are not, grassfed beef is a meme and unsustainable
Literally all cattle raised for meat is grassfed for 95% of their life bro

>>15409309
It's actually not

>>15425709
Grass fed means 50% of the weight of what they consume is grass.

It’s about 8% of their total caloric intake.

>>15425984
They only get injected with tren and feed on grains after they're sold to be finished, before that cattle just eats grass until they're about a year old

>>15425567
atoms in your body produced by nuclear reactions within stars

>>15425984
Fattening them up on HFCS seems like it would be the cheapest way to go

>>15408804
Simple all natural loops like Grass--->Beef as well as Carbon---->Lumber are the most efficient and sustainable of all options by leaps and bounds.

You can never make meat in a lab or factory more efficiently and/or more sustainably than nature has already invented. We call this "hubris", a terminal case. The same holds true for softwood lumber. Excess CO2 is turned into trees and trees are used to build homes, schools, and hospitals. lab based meat and things like concrete or steel are not sustainable in the long term, they are just fads like the electric car. Poultry is much more sustainable than beef on top of the above.

>>15413960
>>15414134
Humans evolved from carnivores
Humans are now omnivores

>>15423483
this
right side of pic is science & technology
left side is sissy nature

>>15414929
weekly or whenever the opportunity presents itself
>rare

the cow is the experience of being a cow which the cow perceived, not the physical cow

>>15415510
>Quite a zinger

>>15427989
what an evolution. from an infinitely healthier body, a larger brain, and more mentally in tune to nature to a weak unintelligent mutant that cant survive without a network of millions of other mutants propping up an artificial lifestyle to continue the propogation of a weak bloodline. such evolution

>>15430480
that pic depicting "modern man" showing substantial muscle definition while merely walking is a farce. should show a flabby nerd sitting on the couch with their 'smart' phone.

>>15430499
and in blue muzzle

>>15427989
> evolved
not proven. it's just a theory.

Animals should live until at least 10 years of age before consumption.

2-3 years is macdonalds convenient.

Eating an animal who was killed at 2-3 years is eating poor quality unclean meat.

If we exclude macdonalds etc. 10 years can work.

>>15430749
no

>>15428299
fake burgers are cultural appropriation by vegans

>>15409511
Also a lack of fluency in English to overcome

>>15409574
veganism is a crafty cope. imagine a poorfag who has enough to buy only plant food. earlier he realized he is poorfag and seethed, causing problems to neighbors, authorities. but today he doesn't consider himself poorfag, he is "vegan", he stands high moral ground, he "saves lives of poor animals", he "eats healthy" (not accounting for meds which are inevitable), he is even proud! people are so gullible.

>>15432753
veganism cracks me up so hard. turd worlders with the exception of non native indians (south asian indians i mean) would kill for some extra meat on their plate every night, but first worlders who can afford to do that would rather eat GRASS and claim its healthier than eating meat. meanwhile the average first worlder would fail an average highschool P.E test any day of the week. lmaoo

>>15408804
I think the greatest misinformation tactic of veganism is how shilling articles define plant-based. When explaining papers they state plant-based means 'does not contain animal products'. Then when they try to suggest that so called 'healthy' diets like the ones in the blue zones journos call them plant-based even though they do eat animal products (even meat seldomly). I'm just really tired of media. Most people in media shouldn't be there at all.

>>15409046
>meat is unhealthy and is obviously unnecessary for health
I know its bait, but meat is necessary. How much and when is the discussion we should be having. But with how easy to indoctrinate the masses are, we instead skip that and go to prohibition. Its all so retarded nowadays.

>>15408833
This is, in fact, incorrect.

>>15409051
>cows eating what they evolved to eat for eons isnt sustainable
oh but all the chemical fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, and tons of water and land wasted for shit like grains and seeds is?

>>15433225
>but meat is necessary.
What's the evidence for that? There's nothing in meat that you cannot get already from plant foods in sufficient amounts

>>15433687
What's the evidence for that? What about joy? People enjoy meat.

>>15433696
So what, pedophiles enjoy raping kids, do you believe enjoying something makes it valid and good

>>15433703
enjoying something valid is fucking good

>>15433706
What's the argument for eating meat being valid?

>>15433713
the fact that it is valid, shill.

>>15433731
>is valid because is valid
That's just circular nonsense

>>15433687
shipping a million different plants species from across the planet just completely invalidates the argument entirely. how do you expect your ancestors would have eaten to survive and thrive? you think they walked into a forest, ignored all the animals and started eating grass and tree bark? imbecile. our bodies arent even capable of digesting cellulose, at most there is about a 50% efficiency, but eating plants all day every day will only make digestion worse because the human gut isnt made to be eating plants all the fucking time. our small intestine makes up the majority of digestion because our gut isnt large enough or adapted to fermenting plant matter. The human large intestine and colon is tiny relatively speaking.
https://carta.anthropogeny.org/moca/topics/smalllarge-intestine-length-ratio

>>15433696
dont make retarded responses like this that dont even make sense

>>15433736
you only think it's invalid, shill.

>>15433745
what? you must be total imbecile.

>>15433217
journalists are demons who enjoy lying and misleading, they circulate the lies about journalistic ethics in order to trick ppl into believing their lies

>>15423483
above ground and below ground biomass as generally about equal

>>15427838
>Poultry is much more sustainable than beef on top of the above.
poultry requires grain it directly competes with humans for it
ruminants can live entirely on non human utilisable land
the topic is deeper than that but I don't feel like going over it

good book

>>15435035
except for a few root and fungus crops, below ground biomass is just waste

>>15436425
No it's the anchor and nutrient supply system. and after it dies it maintains healthy soil structure

>>15408804
Vegans that choose the diet purely for health reasons are making a mistake, imo. However, veganism for moral reasons is different. The moral values don't have to align with what's best for health.

https://www.lowimpact.org/posts/is-eating-meat-ethical-simon-fairlie-interview

>>15436440
unless you're a jain i cant respect vegans claiming to so it for morals. they almost always do it to virtue signal because dad wasnt around in their life

>>15408804
hey! im vegan. living proof that meat is not crucial for human health.

>>15436934
you are mentally ill like every other vegan though and suffering from a cholesterol deficiency

>>15436951
both wrong

>>15409057
It's called the circle of life, retard, or should we start killing wild predators because they're "murdering" other animals?
Everyone needs to eat, one day your corpse is gonna feed thousands of happy little worms and bacteria

>>15436934
> I'm
shill.

>>15436987
retard.

>>15437019
meat is excellent, and veganism is shilled to provide jobs for "doctors"

>>15436976
>should we start killing wild predators because they're "murdering" other animals?
tuna is delicious, so are seals and sea lions.

>>15436934
How many teeth you got left?

>>15408919
>A beef cow eats 90% of it's lifetime energy in the form of pasture grazing, 10% is grains just before slaughter to increase the quality of the end product.
Don't you mean it's the other way around? "Grass finished"

>>15437608
all of them!
>>15437125
meat sucks, and I don't rely on doctors for anything

It does seem odd that humans would intentionally choose to be vegetarian/vegan when we live in the most meat abundant period of human history. However just because a behavior is counter intuitive or doesn't make sense on the surface doesn't mean evolution isn't still acting on it, otherwise pedophiles, schizophrenics and liberals wouldn't exist. It appears evolution has some inherent connection to the evolution of intelligence in humans, just like many other behaviors.

>>15437809
> I
shill signature. meat is fucking awsome.

>>15437912
"civilization" is psychic disorder. education is meant to make you feel pathetic and unhappy.

Why do vegans seem to suffer from higher rates of mental instability?

>>15438678
mentally ill people are more likely to become vegan. it doesn't work the other way around.

>>15409057
pesticides kills billions, but because it's not a farm animal you've seen in picture books as a kid you don't care about them

>>15438760
shill moralfags humiliated forever

>>15438754
What if they're chronically deficient in certain nutrients?

>>15433745
>shipping a million different plants species from across the planet just completely invalidates the argument entirely.
What's the evidence for that? Plant foods use less resources, land, water etc than the livestock industry so
>how do you expect your ancestors would have eaten to survive and thrive?
I couldn't give less of a shit what my ancestors did

>>15438877
if your ancestors ate grass only you would not be here today, shilling. and that is a good side of veganism. lol

>>15438880
>veganism is when you eat grass
Nice level of knowledge you got there, eating meat may have been useful in the past but it is not anymore when you have mass production of plant foods

>>15438888
cope, shillie, meat is fucking awsome. but I wish you grass diet, sincerely.

>>15438678
their diet reduces their brain function and physical health, causing low iq.

>>15438817
trust me bro. think hard about your image of a vegan mentally ill person. do you really think veganism is the source of their mental illness? these people are just fucked in the head regardless.

>>15438877
plant foods absolutely do not use less resources. ruminant animals can be used to regenerate dead land, plants can only take nutrients especially when most farmers couldnt care less for what happens to the land they farm on, so long as there is enough fertilizer and pesticides and water that they can continue farming. all this land is wasted for plants that are less nutritious than meat and other animal products in every way. eggs are literally the easiest food to digest.

>i couldnt give less of a shit what my ancestors did
and you will suffer for it. just as white men manufactured the diseases of civilization such as diabetes, heart disease, cancer, rapid aging, and tooth decay. you will suffer for denying your nature and thinking your idiotic opinion is superior to billions of years of evolution

>>15439737
>white men manufactured the diseases of civilization
sure, its those evil "whites" again
also catholics are responsible for the immigration crisis

>>15440400
>Nagger
heh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4PC8Luqiws

>>15409717
Thank you for the diagram so I can know which parts to cut around if I feel my diet doesn’t need it

>>15439737
Cells dying and replicating itself…. White man did. Tell your shaman Dr to shove the herbal stuff up his ass

>>15440431

>>15439737
>plant foods absolutely do not use less resources.
they do, pic related
> ruminant animals can be used to regenerate dead land
that's a meme, grassfed meat is a meme, you would need multiple earths to supply enough calories to the earth population if you went with that route
>all this land is wasted for plants that are less nutritious than meat and other animal products in every way
you can hit all your nutritional needs with plant foods, you can open nutrition sites like cronometer and check that yourself, clinical studies also show a vegan diet is as good as omnivorous diet for muscle gain, and what metric are you using when you mean more nutritious, per calorie, per grams? Then there's plenty of plant foods who are more nutritious than several animal products in both metrics, also a multivitamin is more nutritious than basically all animal products in both of those metrics so if all you care about is what gives you the most nutrition the easiest then take a multivitamin pill, it will take you are literal second to go through it
something can be nutritious but detrimental to your health, take a multivitamin pill and mix it with some cyanide, so a meal being nutritious alone doesn't tell you if it's healthy
>eggs are literally the easiest food to digest.
ok so is white rice, so what
> just as white men manufactured the diseases of civilization
lmao
>diabetes, heart disease, cancer, rapid aging, and tooth decay.
there's evidence of basically all of that that in ancient humans too
>you will suffer for denying your nature
that doesn't mean anything, you are just appealing to nature fallacy
> is superior to billions of years of evolution
animals literally first appeared less than a billion years ago, there was no evolution a billion years ago, at least not something we can call animal evolution

>>15442476
>>15439737
>that's a meme, grassfed meat is a meme
both of you are fucking retards

>>15439737
>you will suffer for denying your nature and thinking your idiotic opinion is superior to billions of years of evolution
its not even their opinion, its the opinion that was forced on them via (((public education)))

reminder: always give your body what it asks for, fuck morality. look at animals, they don't restrict themselves and don't need doctors unless they live with people as pets.

>>15440400
>>15440526
and here come the fragile white nerds crying that someone said something true. native americans were the tallest people in the world before colonization and now they are a dirty underclass suffering from diseases that they never knew existee before now. i dont care about the fact you're white or you worship le based jesus chroist me savior n shiet i just wish everyone would continue to live as they were supposed to. SEPARATELY! you can keep your malignant tumor you call 'civilization' and your worship of the very people that oppress you

>>15442476
all life from the smallest cells is over a billion years old. And no, you cant get everything you need from plants. its pure delusion. our digestive system isnt designed to eat plants year round. funny how you only talk about nutrients that one could theoretically eat in a plant and not the actual ability to absorb those nutrients as one does so efficiently as you will with animal foods. Mulitvitamins and all other vitamins are trash, the fact you recommend eating them every day just shows how utterly uneducated you are. your body isnt designed to ingest a sterile enzyme-less pill with carefully measured amounts of certain nutrients and addatives that may or may not even be found in normal whole food. fiber is mostly worthless to the human body. You're not a gorilla. The fact of the matter is that drones like you are why pasture raising all meat is unsustainable. instead of having the natural and historically high IMR weeding out the weak, here you are shitting up the world you soulless hack

nature is the house. and the house always wins. even if it means burning the house down with you alongside it

>>15443265
You can absorb enough nutrients from plant foods, are you saying it"s impossible? Whats the evidence for that?
All life is not animals so is not evolution lel
We can digest plant foods, we have enzymes to do so like amylase
>multivitamins are trash
Not an argument. They are more nutritious than meat so cope

Your whole argument and evidence is nature or what is natural is le good and mechanistic speculation, both are bullshit

>>15443519
> no arguments
meat is fucking awsome, you are shill and loser

>>15443519
humans lack the cellulase enzyme in any significant amount. all herbivores eat their own shit because even they with their specialized stomachs cant always absorb all the nutrients from plants. you are not what you eat, you are what you absorb. eat a bunch of seeds and those seeds will just come out the other end whole because plants dont want you to eat them. there is no evolutionary advantage for a plant to want you to eat it. our short stomachs with a relatively large small intestine and small large intestine are designed to eat meat

imagine arguing that nature is a bad thing. lmfao you are beyond help you drone. keep eating those beyond burgers and onions

>>15443947
>all herbivores eat their own shit
citation needed

>>15443519
Amylase only exists in humans to extract glycogen from raw fresh meat

>>15444243
It's just a coincidence that it also works on starch

>>15444230
animals eating their own shit isnt exactly a scientific breakthrough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubt2fl11v5E&t=162
fucking charlatan go cite your moms asshole for all i care, food studies are trash funded by slop companies

>>15444478
>all herbivores

>>15408804
please explain where you're not retarded:
>"need to eat meat 2 b stronk"
>"eat cows, because cows r big n stronk"
>cows eat exclusively grass
no hand waving.

>>15444593
> da joos
shill signature. misinterpreted question.

>>15444602
AI generated post

>>15444593
Please show us how you build muscle by eating grass. I agree that carnivore logic (eat muscle to build muscle) is retarded. However, it's also retarded for humans to chew plants all day and walk around bloated to meet caloric needs. I just don't understand why carnivores and vegans need to be so uncompromising and dishonest all the time.

>>15444620
>Please show us how you build muscle by eating grass.

>>15444593
>>15444634
don't be fooled, cows actually eat the fungi, bacteria and protozoa that eat the grass

>>15444643
h'okay.

>>15444620
in carnivore its more like eat muscle, a little serving of organs, and large amounts of fat on top of it. as someone who eats at least 95% animal foods, you wont gain weight unless you eat a large amount of fat. if i want to bulk i eat over 250g of fat in a day, and ill only gain maybe 1-2lbs in a week. otherwise your body just completely assimilates muscle meat and you end up gaining nothing. i dont mind people cooking meat and even having their own fruits and vegetables but im extremely tired of the pro-vegan agenda. Most people just assume eating plants will fix every problem or going vegan will just make everything better. if i could encourage someone to just say fuck it and go full carnivore its better that way since they wont sit on the fence and slowly be manipulated by the i fr*acking love science crowd coming out the woodwork with their garbage studies that they hope no one will read and criticize

>>15444604
shill generated comment

>>15442672
fake burgers are cultural appropriation by vegans. you'll never see ersatz lettuce made out of beef. vegans are instinctively dishonest.

>>15444695
it's why you can basically feed cattle on what's known as a "crude protein" basis which is just the nitrogen content multiplied by 6.25. you can literally feed them simple nitrogen sources like urea and the bugs will turn it into actual amino acids which the cow can then digest.
The cost of being able to do this is a complex system of fermentation chambers and rechewing.

>>15444643
thats what the extra digestive process is for,

>>15445727
vegans are too mentally ill to understand the complexities of science

>>15419820
humans use tools to skin and butcher their meat, thats why we didn't need to evolve cat or dog like teeth to do the job for us. homo habilis invented the use of sharp rocks for butchery a million and a half years ago

>>15448046
Smaller teeth and less jaw muscle leaves more room in the head for brain

>>15409046
Post a pic so we can see how healthy you are.

>>15409046
see: military ration. veganism is for women.

>>15408804
Is drinking the urine of the cow vegan?

>>15410286
Is it weird that a sociopath unironically calls someone else insane for exhibiting normative traits?

>>15444634
For one that's a trenned out cattle, not normal levels of muscle

>>15410334
>Actually we bred dogs because we like them
He did say amusement

>>15450160
its a shoop

Carnies are so easily triggered by facts lol surely it's more energy efficient to lose 90% of the energy passing through trophic layers lmao

>>15410334
Why are you breeding dogs, Anon?

>>15450348
many people are tyrants, dictators, they have children and dogs to exercise control, power, humiliation, subordination, practice being "alpha". cheap love from dependent life, toxic narcissism.

>>15450240
No, it's actually just a belgian blue bull with muscular hypertrophy genes.
Look also at Pietran pigs or beltex sheep

>>15409511
Murder is a moral term. People call a killing murder if they believe that it is unjust.

>>15450825
You're relying on your illiteracy to make a stupid argument, murder very specifically refers exclusively to the killing of humans.

>>15441171
thats a good looking steak

>>15423804
thats right, herbivore is a category that only exists in lame schoolbooks and fake af sºyence publications, there are no herbivores in the irl world

>>15444593
>cows eat grass, there for steak is plant based meat

>>15449522
no, thats slavery

>>15408804
>vegetarians
virtue signaling: the diet plan

>>15444768

>>15449522
>>15453945
Possibly vegan if you can assure you never touch the cow, never pressure the cow to stay in a specific region, the cow consents to you taking its piss and doesn't need to use its own piss.
Milk is intended as nutrients for their offspring and they wouldn't be producing milk daily if they weren't groped daily, therefore not vegan; a cow specifically needing to be milked to avoid injury is a result of human-induced breeding i.e. unnatural evolution.
However an argument may be made against considering cow piss vegan, and enforce a strict ban on all animal products aside from literal water from air that they at some point breathed out. If a hypothetical animal drops and abandons a "dead egg", an egg that will hypothetically never hatch on its own and wouldn't be eaten by another animal or bug yet is somehow fit for human consumption, if it is vegan to take such a thing then humans will attempt to find more loopholes in what is vegan or not. Or perhaps there would be too many people in the area collecting "technically vegan" products that their presence end up influencing the ecosystem/environment. (Aside from the fact human existence itself already impacts the environment.)

>>15444593
I have no strong feelings one way or the other but as other anon mentioned chewing grass all day, why not eat the thing that does all the chewing so you can skip all that effort?

On the other hand, being plant-derived doesn't make something plant itself, just some kind of weird alchemic transmutation of plant to something that isn't quite plant. Steak is compressed plant-derived energy in something with at least a slightly higher level of conscious (cow) than plant.

>>15409722
"Goys are animals" aside, doesn't this become a circle then? A man who treats animals well is morally justified in defending himself from those who don't treat animals well and would poach him as they would with animals since man = animal. "Treat others the way you want to be treated."
Plants are not equated with humans.

>>15455774
>since man = animal
People say that and it's technically correct but it's a useless fact that is never applied.

If you equate man with animals now you have to think about all the animal property rights and how our car farts are affecting their mating season
And if you don't think about that, then you also don't have to think about human rights and laws - since we aren't doing it for animals (our equals), why do it for man.

I think that's the end result of the veganism ideology.

Aight that sounded weird. Partly what I mean is:
>Group B believes killing animals is permissible therefore killing humans (for reasons other than self defense) is permissible since humans = animals. The "scary part" that Anon mentions.
>Human murder is already illegal among Group A, but this time Group A is given a reason to genocide Group B or view them as savages as they are a grave threat to Group A's society. Group B not only murders humans but view them as "low" as "animals" in the conventional sense and would do anything to kill/eat humans for the lolz.
>Aliens visit Earth and decide to wipe humans just like some humans wipe some species into extinction. Or farm humans for tasty brains. Group A stands "moral ground" against-- ACK
Again, the concept murder and self defense is already a thing, so what's the point? You're right, it's just massive cope or holier than thou attitude or whatever. The "point" is the aliens can't *logically* use the argument "but you do it too lol" (though aliens may have the power glass Earth anyway regardless of who's right or wrong). "It" meaning "freely massacring lesser species when you can avoid it or negotiate".

I'm not a vegan and am making up this example as a weird thought exercise.

>>15456076 (Continuing, post too long)
>>15455832
>property rights and all the crap relating to human activities
>if we aren't doing it for animals (our equals), why do it for man
Right, we're never truly equal in all forms or on all levels. One thing I see is "we can never be 100% ethical, but we can strive to be slightly more ethical". "Equality" here just means "am I allowed to kill or exploit this thing". (As for actual humans lacking rights, that's a human rights issue, maybe animal equality is slightly less relevant?)
Is it possible animals can "technically have rights but don't exercise them due to not knowing they had these rights and cannot be reasonably explained to"? Animals wouldn't know what's on the ballot or be able to register to vote, or truly taught how to vote or voting in a way that is meaningful to them. They wouldn't know how to seek employment, own land, or agree to pay land tax. If taxation is a thing, maybe they don't want to serve a human governor. Possible "they were here first".
What if I refuse to be a taxpayer? Renounce my citizenship. Civil rights != human rights. Human rights are something like "not be killed on the spot" and "allowed to be deported to another country that would take me" instead of landing in perma jail (unless I sneak into the country again I guess idk).
Again I'm just thinking random shit to myself, you can just ignore me.

>>15455740
>doesn't need to use its own piss.
the cow needs it's piss, cow piss is a nice nitrogen rich fertilizer for the plants the cow plans to eat in the future

>>15457162
so then you shan't take it if taking it would result in unsustainable plant growth, but you may possibly take it as long as this is not an issue and/or you replace it with other fertilizers

>>15444634
oh fugg, let me just turn into a ruminant real quick or start producing that enzyme those gorillas have.

>>15444634
show me on humans, I need human proof. when USA military switching to vegan diet?

>>15457219
Are gorillas ruminants?

>>15458529
Nah, that's why they eat poop

>>15457231
they can't, they need to extract their estrogen from horse urine

>>15459069
homosexuals do that too

>>15460841
why do you that too?

>>15408804
Hi, I wanted to stop by to tell you I'm just not going to eat meat. I know! Ugh, I KNOW! It's just I'm not going to eat it is all.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>15414200
>and even their diet contains seaweed, leaves and roots
NOOO YOU WERE THE CHOSEN FAGGOTS!! NOT LIKE THIS, CARNIVORE SISSIES!!!

Anyway: https://youtu.be/FNIoKmMq6cs

>>15415362
Lol saved.

>>15415362
Now explain the human digestive tract as a carnivore though lol.

>>15441171
lol

>>15461291
Pandas are cucked bears though, you could uncuck them by giving them meat from a young age

>>15408877
watched a couple vids on of elaine ingham lecturing about this sort of thing. Something to the effect of the soil ecosystem keeping pathogens in check via predation, with fungivore/bactiovore nematodes excreting excess nitrogen/phos in a plant soluble form, something something aerobic conditions.

My question: why aren't all biomes lush forrest with 30ft loamy soils? What limits soil microbiology from producing those conditions? Energy for such a system comes from the plants, which requires water to create sugar, so is it just rainfall that puts a cap on energy capture > sugar > soil microbes > soil conditions?

>>15423483
elaine ingham method of keeping soil microbes happy claims to be able to put ~100g/acre nitrogen, where modern farming needs ~ 100lb.

I don't where a lot of hippy stuff comes from, but those figures above seem extremely economical, especially considering the costs of the system seem to only be the time required to record & analyze soil ecology in the field, and need a good source of aerobic compost with good soil ecosystem with which to make compost extract to spray the fields with, and so inoculating the field with microbes.

Additionally such a system claims to need no pesti/fungi/insecticides, as soil ecosystem keeps pathogens in check. More, seemingly significant savings.

Of course another benefit of this system is climate crisis maniacs can't complain about you polluting their rivers.

>>15427838
The roadblocks these climate crisis types will run into is their use of state intervention. Things don't get invented unless there is a free market incentive to do so. No one wants the bother and expense of carefully cultivating bovine muscle cells in a lab, then mixing them with adipose tissue when you can just slap a bull and cow in a field, wait a few months and have more cows.

>>15408919
This. Cows are a combine harvester on legs. Though I wonder what would happen if you genetically engineered a cow to excrete cellulose in its digestive tract. Could it digest its food more efficiently?

>>15409506
Instead of using the government to murder people, why not simply purchase meat from farmers & abattoirs who treat the animals in a manner you approve? Free market capitalism solves all problems better than the government, and vitally is the only moral way of doing so.

>>15410213
Then pay for it yourself. Create the demand to allow a market niche to open.

>>15410286
>>15410213
Assuming the volume of the cart space was 3x5x6m ~90m3, and could take 6 or so cattle, at £50/9m3, slaughter mechanism needs around £100 per cow.

Cows wouldn't like being covered in foam though, and elevators are expensive etc.

>>15463048
lol

>>15454857
dovetails nicely with the psychopathy & narcissism thread

We grow cows too young and meat is poor quality because of its age. Cows need double the life span and then meat would be adequate.

I know I know. Supporting McDonald's tough
>I'm retarded

>>15449532
You know there's nothing sociopathic about not caring about the suffering of animals you eat, in fact it's quite normal and adaptive

>>15464682
people who can't tell the difference between humans and animals are the mentally ill ones. someone who projects their own human thoughts and emotions onto animals is someone who presumes they have the same IQ as a pig or a cow.

>>15464682
> suffering
shill. your life depends on people who eat meat. stop using their services!

>>15464583
sjw political jannie deleted that one

>>15465445
Thats good, mentally ill ppl have reduced life expectancy

>>15461293
I think you’re confused about who’s saying what

>>15442476
>they do, pic related
Yes and that image neglects to specify milk from cows raised how? If its feedlot cows strapped to a fucking machine and fed grains then that circles back to relying on crops. Grass fed cows do not have the same environmental effect that farming your fucking onions does. You only care about optics, no matter the impact on other animals and the environment. You want your plate to not have a piece of animal tissue on it, whatever has to be destroyed to make that happen be damned. Regenerating native grassland by using large herds of ruminants isn't a meme, go choke on a dick.
>you can hit all your nutritional needs with plant food
Except B12, taurine, D3, heme iron. You can live your life as a haggard, miserable vegan popping B12 pills.
>multivitamins are have more of the nutrients technically!
This is not how nutrition works. I don't blame you though since even nutritionists don't seem to comprehend how nutrition works half the time either.
>there's evidence of basically all of that that in ancient humans too
Yes and we consistently see a sharp increase in all of it when farming comes along and we start eating way more plants and way less meat
>M-MUH FALLACY
Yes how dare we take into account evolution, biology and physiology when discussing nutrition. Let's assume reality is wrong and science has to rediscover everything before it manifests itself into existence. Observing the naturally existing physiology of an organism is "a fallacy". Stupid disingenuous faggot.

>>15408804
>daily reminder that nazis are vegans and imposed some of the first anti animal cruelty laws in Germany. They viewed jews as lesser than animals.
Wish meat eaters and vegans knew more about this, they wuld spin out of control

>>15467450
reminder that nazi did nothing wrong, industrial revolution made lot of people useless eaters and parasites, and parasites are not people, only toys to entertain stupid parents.

>>15465816
>>/sci/thread/15461556

>>15467714
very good. jannies are faggots, indeed

>>15467450
>the history that I learned about nazi Germany in ZOG school is totally true, why would ZOG school lie to me about a defeated enemy?
cringe