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To my knowledge, in all of /sfg/'s history there has never been once incidence of a real biological female posting here. Take that as you will.

To my knowledge, in all of /sfg/'s history there has never been one incidence of a real biological female posting here. Take that as you will.

>well dwelling planetcucks

Apollo Comms Part 27: Quindar Tones Microphone Hack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAAFkjYxWj4

let's play SPOT THE LM

>>15424616
Are you ready to explore the galaxy from the comfort of your home? The spaceship, the inflatable doll, the alien friends, the whole globohomo experience.

this one is easier

>>15424648
>
it helps if I link the image

>>15424646
>metaverse shit
no one can experience it because no one bought that shit.

>>15424639
>>15424642
>black and white image
sneed

FTL is inevitable.

Apollo 16 saw Venus in a couple pics. neat

>>15424631
There was one time a couple years back I made a really degrading post regarding some woman, something about the things I'd do to her. and the reply I got must have been written by a woman just by the way it was written. Kinda like you can distinnguish a drunkposter or autist by post history or instinct. anyways she scolded me in a way I'd never seen on /sfg/ before or since. But ofc there is no hard proof it was a real female

what is Musk up to with this?

>>15424495
>floating solar field
>in the middle of the fucking ocean
That's some to top tier solarfag delusion, even wind turbines are better than that.

Eric Berger:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/05/former-head-of-roscosmos-now-thinks-nasa-did-not-land-on-the-moon/

>During his four-year tenure at Roscosmos, Rogozin wrote, he asked his leadership team to look into whether NASA had actually landed a dozen astronauts on the Moon in the late 1960s and early 1970s. After all, Rogozin reasoned, "It was not clear to me how the United States, at that level of technological development of the '60s of the last century, did what they still cannot do now?"

>Accordingly, at the end of this "investigation," Rogozin said he does not believe Americans landed on the Moon but rather that they had succeeded in infiltrating the "establishment" of the Russian space program.

>Rogozin's doubts about the Apollo Program did not surface publicly during his years at Roscosmos, but there were plenty of other reasons that NASA and other international partners found his leadership style insufferable. He mocked US astronauts, repeatedly threatened to pull Russia out of the space station partnership, and attempted to use the international facility for propaganda purposes. NASA was therefore thrilled to see Rogozin go when he was effectively fired in July 2022.

>>15424679
oh no...
bros after this one it's really over.
They will have to make an example out of him for this.

>>15424679
post at least funny fake tweets

>>15424690
3u cubesat with engine, 4k cameras pointing everywhere, lowest orbit possible, someone make it happen to make these fuckers seeth.

>>15424690
Berger has a hate boner for Rogozin. Very strange but predictable for a lot of people, after all, if you are told for years you are not allowed to hate anyone, and then you are given carte blanche for one particular group with no consequences?
Very easy to understand.

>>15424687
Floating offshore wind turbines cannot possibly decrease in cost at the same rate as PV but what are you implying, that there is another source of energy that would be better than either of them?

>>15424696
waste of resources. I think it's terrible as well but it's literally a useless endeavor.

Bros, it's been months since I started working at this satellite company. I feel like I'm really falling behind everyone else. I'm putting in long hours, but I rarely get any recognition. My boss is so moody, she can be super nice one minute, and the next she's making me cry. I really enjoy my job, I just wish my colleagues were a bit nicer. Honestly, sometimes I feel like sudokuing sometimes. This was a dream job, now it's a fucking nightmare.

>>15424703
would make for some awesome footage regardless at well as multiple flyovers of the landing site.

>>15424704
oof
at least you have a job
I'm 100 applications in (mostly tech/aerospace) and haven't had but a 2nd interview at one place

>>15424704
Is your boss hot?

how the fuck did SpaceX fucks seriously expect for the starship to perform such an insanely fucking tight maneuver when it's a fucking ROCKET??

>Cernan
>I've said that I thought sleeping on the Moon was a big waste of time. We needed physical rest, we needed to get out of our suits, but I really wish we'd had more time to absorb what was going on. There's no human being who can consciously take in all of an experience like that while it is occurring. Subconsciously, you do retain things that youweren't aware of at the time and it takes a while for those to come out.You have to be careful that you don't develop a convenient memory and have things come out the way you might like to have them come out or in a way that makes you look like you had all the right answers beforehand. It's a very dangerous trap that you can fall into. So I wish we'd had more time to absorb things. But we had no choice; we had to rest and, as crew commander I had to maintain some discipline in our relationship with the ground. We knew we had some padding in the schedule, we knew we could go out a little longer, we knew we could sleep a little less; but the eight hours was important because, although we really only slept about four hours, we needed to think and talk and rest.

>>15424712
shows how big their balls were. basically anyone else would be in a constant adrenaline overdose and wouldn't be able to concentrate on anything let alone relax and sleep.

>>15424704
>My boss
>she
>making me cry
not gonna make it kek

Schmitt
>...After the crew was finalized in the fall of '71, for the second time I tried to persuade Chris Kraft and others that we ought to consider a Farside landing. I had brought it up before - after Apollo 13 - as the culmination of the last four missions going to the places where everybody always wanted to go: Tycho, Orientale, the North Pole, and the Farside. I had fun trying to justify that mission to people. But everybody was so wrapped up in proving that they could survive the Apollo 13 failure and get Apollo 14 landed, that it didn't get much play. I worked it for a while, anticipating that just one more landing wouldn't help the politics of the space program very much. I wanted to build up to some sort of crescendo that would not only provide good science but would provide public interest. When I brought it up again in August or September of 1971, I went so far with the Lunar Mafia - the group of people at JSC who thought up these 'dumb' things to do on their own time - as to work out how to do it. Some of the guys in Flight Control were able to track down a couple of on-the-shelf Tiros satellites that could act as communications satellites. The plan was to place those, with a single Titan launch, at the Farside libration point...

>>15424722
>....There's a libration point about 30,000 miles behind the Moon where things will stay, at least for a while, if you put them there. Except in very weird circumstances, satellites at the libration point would give you a direct link with Earth; and the two satellites gave you redundancy. It was a great plan. TRW quoted a price of about $80 million and I had added a $20 million contingency. And we had other plans. In one, as you went around the Moon in the Command Module, you'd drop off a bunch of small communications relay satellites, rather like the current Iridium scheme. (Laughing) But, finally, Chris called me in and said 'Shut up; quit talking about this. We're not going to spend a hundred million dollars to put a communications satellite behind the Moon for the last mission.' I'm not sure where the numbers came from, but the marginal cost of building the hardware for an Apollo mission was about $250 million and I was told that operational costs - to run the centers and the tracking stations, etc. - were about the same number.
Cernan
>Aside from the cost and the probability of having to delay the flight, management simply wasn't going to take the risk of sending us to the back side of the Moon. It would have been a challenge and would have been worthwhile doing, but we still had a lot to learn about the front side. I was involved in discussions at the level of Chris Kraft and George Low and it quickly became obvious that it wasn't going to happen. Jack used to go on crusades like this and get other people involved and go into the details of how to do it and what it was going to cost. And that was good. But Jack used to have the habit of pushing people and pushing people without knowing - politically or diplomatically - when to quit. And, finally, Chris got fed up.

>muh starship

how long before Space Force comes out with their nuclear powered rocket?

>>15424725
>Space Force
LMAO

>>15424699
>Floating
>wind turbines
Is this the power of solarfag IQ?
Why would you think a floating field of panels in salt water would be better than single pillars of wind turbines.

>>15424690
It's the same chevron logo of the usual suspects. What this globohomo puppet is not telling you is the earth is flat and stationary and all the space programs are complete frauds including himself since he was in a top position at the space propaganda front. The average NPC is unfazed though, in his mind the americans 100% went on the Moon in the 60s and that it's his turn soon to jet through the galaxy.

>>15424725
2836 but could be pushed back till the 3100s

>>15424704
>My boss is so moody
She obviously wants your dick dumbass

>>15424704
grill hands typed this post

>>15424704
>My boss is so moody, she can be super nice one minute, and the next she's making me cry.
she wants sex

Cernan Yeah; but 'dikelet'...I don't ever remember you telling me to use that word. (Tongue in cheek) Jack used to give me all these words and he'd say, 'Now, when you get up there, Cernan, use these. It will impress the hell out of them.' I had a list of words written down like a football player has a list of plays.
Schmitt The guy that literally did that was Conrad. He had a list of geology phrases in his checklist, but he never used them. Of the first three crews, we probably had Beano and Pete as far up the curve in geology training as anybody. The last exercise they had in Hawaii just went beautifully. They were on top of everything we threw at them. So we expected the same thing to happen on the Moon and, yet, not a word! Not a word! Afterwards I found out - and I'm not sure exactly how - that they specifically decided not to say anything because, in the meantime, some of my scientific 'friends' had publicly made fun of Buzz talking about mica-like particles ('biotite' was the word Buzz used) that he saw sparklingon the surface. And they do sparkle like mica!! He'd seen it on fieldtrips. But these assholes - I'll say that on tape - were making fun of Buzz because he described the way things looked. I'll tell you, I chewed a lot of guys out about the criticism of Buzz.

>>15424679
can't wait to see his execution on this next project

>>15424679
What's TND?

>>15424727
jesus christ, I have been watching too much porn

>>15424727
You have no idea fucking what you're talking about, most of the sites with good wind resources and a shallow seabed will be tapped within the next few decades, which is why floating offshore wind has become an increasingly popular alternative. SpaceX if not based in the US would likely operate outside any country's contiguous or exclusive economic zone which would mean they would either use floating wind turbines or floating solar for generating power for their offshore platforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_wind_turbine

>>15424760
>Acronym for "total nigger death". Used on far right websites such as 4chan.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TND

>>15424760
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/tnd-kill-behead-roundhouse

It's slightly off topic.

>2023
>still no spinning station

>>15424727
> skyscraper sized wind turbine to generate a pathetic 12 MW
wew

>>15424698
Berger doesn't strike me as a journalist.

:(

>>15424698
rogozin has directly insulted berger multiple times over twitter

>>15424780
I wonder how many species have worked out of existence with barely a whimper, having only ever skimmed their upper atmospheres and declared spaceflight a pipe dream

>>15424760
Tactical Nuclear Deployment

>watch For All Mankind lesbian sex scene
>stop watching

>>15424706
What's your IQ?

>>15424808
I did WAIS IV years ago
130something combined, verbal is like 104 though

blackhole powered leo tugs

everyone needs to read Across the Airless Wilds

>>15424727
>salt water
imagine thinking this is a relevant concern. just coat everything in plastic.

>>15424760
TOTAL NEWFAG DEATH

>>15424814
>verbal is like 104
Ngmi

>>15424826
yeah it's a pain

>>15424616
third OP in a row that has a cgi picture. Pretty lame

>>15424801
The lesbian stuff is so pointless you could (and should) cut every bit of it out.
>You thought this was scifi?
>Fuck you, watch homewrecker dating struggles

>>15424817

>>15424801
>>15424835
>being this homosexual

>>15424772
>skyscraper sized wind turbine to generate a pathetic 12 MW
>not the heckin' less than one square kilometer of unoccupied space covering 70% of Earth that is only used by Chinese fishing trawlers
Earther mentality.

>>15424835
>>15424839
No, you're misreading, every drama scene should have a lesbian sex scene

Starship will never have footage this good

>>15424844
>SLS is in frame
Its ruined

>>15424839
If I want to watch porn I can go do that, I wanted to watch alt-history scifi. I got gay family drama shit. I don't care about any of that crap irl I certainly don't care when it's fiction.
(You) are gay.

You think they will still launch with 3 unlit engines or is it cock block season since they really want to make it to staging on the next one?

>>15424857
>3 unlit engines
That wasn't intentional

who knew that Raptors were gonna be the big issue

>>15424801
post pics

>>15424860
>>3 unlit engines
>That wasn't intentional
3 was programmed as the maximum engine outs in the launch commit criterea

>>15424844
Starship had some of the absolute worst camera quality I've ever seen

>>15424864
2 years ago everyone was crying that the janky tanks were going to be the problem. problems that got solved.

>>15424864
Literally every doomer since the very first hopper static fire

reminder that raptor will be made as reliable as merlin.

>>15424882
Not even Tom Mueller was stupid enough to believe that. And he was fired for it

>>15424882
it can only be less reliable

>>15424844
>blown out to 255,255,255
>ugly ass orange rocket
yeah I think it has already

>>15424887
Mueller had little to do with Raptor development and he retired a multi-millionaire in 2020 before starting his own company.

>>15424890
there is no law of physics that prevents it happening

>>15424896
Yeah I know :)

>>15424899
: )

>>15424894
absolute state of official SpaceX footage

>>15424901
he knows as much about rockets as your average spacex lounge redditor, but not much more, ask him a question that's a bit technical and he's out

Daily reminder Breakthrough Starshot, an interstellar project of sending nanocrafts propelled by 100+ gigawatt lasers to Alpha Centauri at 0.2c.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kEgS8xRgIw

>>15424901
wow...stockholm syndrome

>>15424904
You must be the guy that refuses to watch EDA Starbase tour videos

>>15424864
>who knew that Raptors were gonna be the big issue

>>15424765
Even if the pv cell themselves cost nothing the infrastructure will make it more expensive than wind turbines.
If you think this will hold up in the open ocean you are delusional. The floating wind turbines are built similar to oil rigs where as solar will have to be built has a field to be useful.

>>15424905
One gram interstellar probes...are useless?

>>15424801
>watching modern (((media)))

>>15424687
the solar panels will be cooler in the ocean this increases efficiency. There's more sun in the middle of the ocean and the whole array can easily be rotate to track the sun and this will increase the power as well. There are some advantages over land based solar.

>>15424908
kek

>>15424908
lel. /sfg/ post of the week.

>>15424765
or they would use generators like every other platform and ship on the sea

>>15424836
the color pattern bugs me. Both the white and the black one have a red stripe on the right side and the middle and left stripes swapped. The black one should have had red on the left.

>>15424905
...which has no means of actually flying, and if it did would offer no useful research

>>15424911
Those are monocrystalline panels, if there is a market for offshore floating solar it would develop into flexible thin-film blankets that only need enough hollow plastic outriggers to keep them above water, they would ride over any waves. I honestly can't believe that I got a nuclearfag so bent out of shape that he is advocating for wind power, lmao
>>15424922
They need GW of power for the Sabatier reaction and to produce liquid oxygen, shipping in methane to spin a generator to make e-methane makes no god damn sense. As I said before the only alternative is to bring is a carrier, which would work but they eventually need to be carbon free, or to run HVDC lines from land which would be prohibitively expensive. It depends on where they are located.

>>15424933
demonstrating the ability to propel things to relativistic velocities with lasers would be useful in itself. even if sending specs of dust to alpha centauri wouldn't

>>15424905
Friendly reminder that Breakthrough Starshot is so small that it would get get ground down to nothing by interstellar gas and dust.

https://youtu.be/wdP_UDSsuro

using renewables to make methane or something like that is stupid

>>15424964
You will eat crow, luddite. Near-free excess renewable power is perfect for generating carbon neutral hydrocarbons.

>>15424962
That's why you send thousands of them; a few hundred will survive the trip

the angry astronaut is e-begging so he can move to the uk and view developments in... uhh... umm... things that aren't being covered enough in spaceflight.

>>15424988
Yeah I stopped watching that vid right there

https://www.planetary.org/planetary-radio/space-policy-edition-spacexs-starship-vs-the-environment-with-eric-roesch
>Prior to Starship's inaugural launch, environmental policy expert Eric Roesch was outspoken about the possibility of catastrophe. As the rocket launched, it kicked up massive clouds of dust and decimated its launchpad, scattering large chunks of concrete into delicate marine and coastal sanctuaries nearby. Eric blames both SpaceX and its regulatory body, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), for allowing the company to skirt responsibility in its environmental reporting and mitigating its impact on its surrounding wilderness. He joins the show to discuss the proper role of environmental regulations, why he believes the FAA was irresponsible in approving SpaceX's launch licenses, and how you can simultaneously protect the environment and local wildlife while still pursuing an ambitious path to space.
Thank you Casey and Sarah. I'm all for spaceflight but SpaceX needs to be stopped at all costs. Honestly spaceflight shouldn't be allowed until after we fix all the problems on Earth

>>15424993
there is nothing happening in europe generally and what there is is behind closed doors and could be adequately covered by internet interviews, so i can only conclude there is an ulterior grift going on.

>>15424997
Who asked?

>>15424943
Even fishing nets get torn apart from time to time and you some how think those panels will just pleasantly sit atop the waves?
>nuclearfag
Oh no I've been found out

>>15424964
>using renewables to make methane or something like that is stupid
it's the optimal use case.
the only one where you don't care about the peaky sparse nature

>>15424997
>climate change is preventing space exploration
the absolute of propaganda they are feeding you

>>15425005
>Even fishing nets get torn apart from time to time
>Thin monofilament, high density polyethylene, or polyethylene terephthalate lines break easily
You're really intelligent for someone who doesn't work in the power industry, has never been to sea, and spends all of his day browsing /pol/ slide threads. Please tell us more about how the world should work.

So how does a HPU even explode?

surely the worst part of sea-solar would be keeping the cunts clean. salt water gets on them and evaporates and leaves a load of salt.

>RocketLab stock at its lowest despite several successful launches
Are publicly traded spaceflight companies a meme?

>>15424988
why would anyone want to move to a shithole country?

>>15425020
runs out of fluid, overheats due to friction caused by lack of lubrication, either seizes or shits itself out of its housing.

>>15425029
Everyone knows that small sat launchers are a dead end.

>>15424997
Wtf I thought this was a pro space podcast

>>15424997
>how you can simultaneously protect the environment and local wildlife while still pursuing an ambitious path to space.
curious about this, what does he say about it?
I'm guessing he says something like nationalize it or move it out of boca chica? I'd be surprised if it was something trivial that wouldn't massively hamper Spacex.

NASA needs more based people like Homer.

Just realized
>Booster 7 loses TVC at T+85 seconds
>Starship goes supersonic at T+100 seconds
Bros, Starship was able to go through max q despite having no TVC. What the fuck that’s insane.

>>15425043
oof

>>15425043
Nothing beats Chuck “Fuck the Anglos” Yeager

>>15425043
Based AF, as he should be. Weak men allow that trash in, and that in turn results in catastrophic failures.

huh, roggcopter managed 51 flights

>>15425022
>sea-solar
This should be OTEC not gay ass pv panels
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_thermal_energy_conversion

>>15425022
I envision that they'll form a continuous surface riding on top of the ocean, the spray would be concentrated near the edges and rain water would rinse off the panels but it's hard to predict something so far out, seeing there is so much land still readily available for solar and leasing it costs little.
>>15425066
Why do you think the deeper parts of the ocean are colder than the shallower parts? You're a solarfag by another name.

how do we heal the boca chica environment

>>15425091
litter it with mystical concrete crystals

>>15425020
Blast from the engine explosions going up the lines.

>>15425081
A solarfag is one who wants pv panels everywhere, no matter how ugly, and wants them as baseload, no matter the local insolation. OTEC isn't unsightly and can do baseload.

>>15425045
Differential throttle control.
Just like the N1

>>15425049
That's amazing lmao

>>15425106
A solarfag is anyone that advocates using solar energy or using an energy gradient created by the Sun, which includes you. If you want to call me a PVfag, so be it, but your image of a poor solar installation on a Chinese mountainside doesn't mean anything. You have become what you hate, how does it feel?

>>15425005
antisemitic imagery

>>15425020
when the engines exploded the hydraulic fluid leaked out

>>15425022
spraying water and rain would periodically wash it off. the biggest problem for sea solar is the waves

>>15425139
but wind comes from the sun

>>15425106
looks pretty kino if you ask me

>>15425154
humans edging towards k1, if you include agriculture as harnessing energy but directly converting it to food.

>>15425152
Long have PVfags been allied with windfags, they are our solar brothers.

>>15425029
It's the same situation for all other space start-ups (Planet Labs, Black Sky, Redwire, Spire, etc). Basically, they were all overvalued for the SPAC deal and now their price has corrected to their real present value.

If the space market increases in value as fast as was predicted, their share price will increase again the coming years.

Or they might fail due to lack of capital and relatively high interest rates (less of an issue for Rocket Lab, they have a couple years of expenses in the bank).

>>15425140
What are the significance of those flowers? Did Hitler like them or something?

>>15425161
reminder that biomass is a pretty decent source of renewable energy, but it's not early enough.

>>15425018
>You're really intelligent for someone who doesn't work in the power industry, has never been to sea
Implying you have kek
>everything I don't like is /pol/
I didn't know the /pol/ schizo and solarfag were the same person. Learn something new every day

2023 and it's still the best known source of energy

>>15425112
the power of differential throost is underrated
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232

>>15425168
I can see how you would be confused. at first glance, it merely looks like a still life. However, that image has been clearly created in order to match the silhouette of the "happy merchant". Which is an unflattering caricature of a Jewish man originally from a political cartoon comparing Jewish people to rats.

>>15425177
the best known source of energy is the one we orbit. it would be nice if we could replicate it in a bottle but at a macro scale the sun is the best source of power we could even need.

>>15425177
mmm gravitational energy reservoir

>>15425190
>inb4 pedants pointing out the water cycle is solar powered

I hate _ _ _ _. Fill in the blank, it is related to space

>>15425197
Niggers?

>>15425176
>everything I don't like is /pol/
You're posting hidden Jew images, which I fine, I don't care, but do you really expect me not to out you as a /pol/tard? I've been on 4chan since before /pol/ even existed, before Moot banned /new/ and we had to go to 4chon. Newfags like you offend me, especially when they repeat propaganda spoonfed to them by shills and bots.

>>15425195
massive reservoir

>>15424997
want to save the planets environment then go bark up the pajeet and chink tree. But you want because you are a clueless useful idiot

>>15425198
I do, but thats not the answer

>>15425197
the atmosphere, we should remove it

>>15425154
those are not even connected. Chinks regularly install solar and wind "generators" that only run when the party official is on inspection. Fed from the grid to spin the blades, not generating into the grid, becase they dont fucking work as intended. Meanwhile they opened five new major coal power plants this year alone

>>15425201
the west drives the easts economy. if you want to save the planet you focus on general consumerism and pretty much the last place you start is with rocketry or space flight.

countries with lots of hydro will have a much easier time transitioning to fully renewable

Does anyone have that comic of "average /sfg/ thread" or something like that where it's a bunch of people arguing and becoming more and more unhinged as a guy loses his mind and by the final panel I think he's bleeding from his eyes?

>>15425218
no but the original

Would SpaceX ever develop that land that was offered to them in Indonesia or would it be too expensive/politically undesirable to develop there?

>>15425208
>solar panels that only work temporary before needing to be turned off
I have no words for this
>>15425212
Hydro is great but limited to choke points on large rivers and natural reservoirs, most of which have already been dammed

>>15425228
Good enough. Thanks.

>>15425231
at last i truly see version

>>15425177
>>15425195
>>15425200
Ok so why don’t we just dam the Panama Canal? Or to keep shipping going, build a large pipe with turbines next to it? The reason why the ships have to go though water locks is because of the slight difference in ocean height caused by Earth’s rotation or the moons tides or whatever, and harnessing that almost infinite amount of kinetic energy of a planet sized amount of mass will never run out. Probably the same reasons why Nuclear energy is being held back.

>>15425248
i can already tell your opinions on earth based mass drivers

>>15425218
needs updating

>>15425256
>nasa would have done it already
ha i remember those people lol.

>>15425187
Meds now holy shit

>>15425256
seems accurate as is

>>15425001
Things are happening, but not as flashy (ie. meme startups and commercial satellites) or as you said, are behind closed doors.
I think he realised the niche of leeching off SpaceX news and speculations is already filled by NSF, EDA, CSI nigga and others
but nobody is really covering European side of things as the sort of "boots on ground" journalism.
Zoom interviews are nice, but actually showing off hardware is what everyone is really interested in seeing.

>>15425248
The Atlantic ocean has more salt and is slightly denser than the pacific, this results in about 40 cm height difference between the two. The locks of the Panama Canal go up 26 meters because the interior waterway is at a higher elevation than either ocean. Even if it was flatter and it water flowed through it, putting a dam there wouldn't provide almost infinite energy because it's limited by the force of the water passing through and expanding it would cost a bunch of money.
>Probably the same reasons why Nuclear energy is being held back.
It's "held back" because it costs more than its value, same reason why no one is building solar plants in Antarctica and why I didn't install a wind turbine inside my house so it can catch the air I expend when I'm screaming at posts made in /sfg/

>>15425248
you could definitely do that yeah. But I don't think I'd be an absurd amount of power

>>15425293
>>15425294
the duality of /sfg/

>>15424675
You guys can tell whenb i’m drunk?

>>15425302
don't

>>15425293
>>Probably the same reasons why Nuclear energy is being held back.
>It's "held back" because it costs more than its value
This is not a law of physics.
It costs more because instead of innovation in the space there is only bureacratic capture.
The grasp of faggotry tightens and if you don't have a source of chaos to combat it everything will grind to a halt.
Coming to an industry near you.

Do you have the Right Stuff?

>>15425199
Oh wondrous oldfag I bend the knee. Solar panels will definitely work in the ocean. I admin I am the one in the wrong all because I posted a meme in my post. All hail the oldfag.
Being against dumb uses of solar is simply being a shill and a bot and is just propaganda.
I'll never argue again with the glorious oldfag who is correct solely on the basis that was here before /pol/.

my stomach hurts but im hungry. i feel bloated and fat but idk i just dont know what to do

>15425305
Nope, I'm not sure that anyone does anymore.

>>15424631
>>15425312

>>15425293
how does the different density cause a different height and why is the interior waterway higher than either ocean?

>>15425312
get up and go for a walk.

>>15425305
Yes I just have shit eyesight to the USMC pilot program rejected me

>>15425305
no

>>15425317
why would that actually help?

>>15425312
Stop drinking so much coffee

Tesla lithium mining is live, and the music is cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmnNrrnXrts

>>15425322
Gets the bowels movin'
you'll be shartin' like a rocket soon enough

>>15425305
Baby girl I wouldn't mind stuffing you with my girthy cock

>>15425324
i didnt drink any all week, i think i will go for a walk like that guy says

>>15425326
what is this generic rock music leading us into?

>>15425293
>The Atlantic ocean has more salt and is slightly denser than the pacific, this results in about 40 cm height difference between the two
Oh no Texas bros if California really wanted to they could flood us if they wanted to if they nuked the canal

>>15425309
>Oh wondrous oldfag I bend the knee.
Thanks. For more questions and concerns please direct them to
https://www.4channel.org/feedback

>>15425336
Oldfags on /sfg/ being genuinely helpful is encouraging to see. But there is one rule newfags need to understand that is unwritten but may as well be in force across all boards, and that is to lurk more

>>15425334
>>15425326
oh shit a country cybertruck

>>15425326
that pink pantsuit is horrible

strip mining texas begins

>>15425324
Coffee makes you shit and feel slim, it is the choice drink for space explorers (as well as soviet vodka!)

>>15425351
is this true?i remember reading anon a couple threada back drank olive oil to help shit

>>15425341
Solar is still shit. Nuclear electric propulsion is the future.

great governor, great man

Remember when /sfg/ had a bunch of ICEfags? I 'member

>>15425326
Texas is out Calying Cali.

EEE-LON MUSK, we're proud he calls Texas home

E
Lon
Musk

>american politicians still carry passion and hope for their future
watching this as a euro is depressing

why is he in a wheelchair?

>>15425353
>Solar is still shit. Nuclear electric propulsion is the future.
Please take your medication

Texas is comfy

>>15425368
ULA snipers tried ruining the boca chica agreement

Živio Elon Musk. Smrt starosvemiru

>>15425365
becoming rare in the USA too

>lets break ground
gay porn music intensifies

>>15425368
He forgot (it won’t happen again)

>>15425387
damn I almost forgot to remember today

>>15425326
it's over

>>15425140
That word has never made sense to me, as jews are merely a subset of semetic peoples; has always struck me as an implicit signal that they're somehow special.
That aside, quit your bitching and let's refocus on space.

>>15425387
>>15425389
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAIVktlpOT8

>>15425393
yeah the fact that they call it antisemitism and not antijewism is just one of their antigoy tricks

>>15425387
kek

>>15425369
If you're heading to the outer planets with space probes or especially large Delta-V missions where saving time is worth the money, solar electric doesn't make a lot of sense.

>>15425106
there's plenty of deserts, parking lots and roofs
You don't need to do this in mountains

This is what we'll drive

and yes, it's real

>NASA hasn't got contact with the two TROPICS yet
yeah it's over

>>15425427
Can there be cursed satellites?

>>15425410
How many times must this be explained? State of practice solar electric beats optimistic nuclear electric reactor designs in specific power AT FUCKING JUPITER while being multiple order of magnitude lower in cost. If you move the goal posts to Uranus, maybe you would have a point but it's a very weak gotcha and as much of the delta-v required is for the outbound portion and not capture it's conceivable it still would still lose.

>>15425434
you mean solar will make more watts per kilo?

>>15425434
Make sure to factor in panel supports that can withstand the acceleration factors too, instead of just bare solar panel elements.

>>15425434
so you're saying solar planes will have an easier time flying than nuclear planes?

>>15425443
Of course,
>a fucking metal pole
exposed to high Gs and unfolding properly in vacuum will have to be factored in. I think we're still good though

>>15425439
Yes, state of practice solar is 200-400 W/kg at Earth, you can find some legacy designs that are lower but they're not mass optimized. Power sails are ~1,000 W/kg. Fission reactors are ~5-10 W/kg, with some designs like Project Prometheus going up to ~20 W/kg(they failed to achieve it but I digress) and RTGs with thermocouples are 1-4 W/kg
>>15425443
>acceleration factors
Electric spacecraft accelerate at like 0.000X m/s2, it's a few newtons of thrust pushing tons of spacecraft.

>A typical turbocharged V8 diesel engine might have an engine power of 250 kW (340 hp) and a mass of 380 kg (840 lb),[1] giving it a power-to-weight ratio of 0.65 kW/kg (0.40 hp/lb).
Kinda sus that a nuclear engine would have 100 times lower power to weight

>>15425395

>>15425451
That's only the electric elements. A lot of missions that look at saving time also use gravity assists with chemical propulsion elements, and the solar arrays will have much larger flight loads in those cases. Hell, even the slewing rate of the spacecraft is going to be limited if you really go all-in on mass optimizing your solar arrays, and if you're mass optimizing everything, you're making shit expensive again, which is the opposite of what you want to do in a post-Starship era.

>>15425387
what's that building?

cybertrucks on mars when

>>15425454
The power to weight ratio of chemical engines to nuclear engines has always been similar. Aircraft carriers save weight, volume, and improve logistics and safety margins by eliminating fuel stores from the ship.

>>15425454
it's all sus and amogus until there comes time to refuel

>>15425468
a forced meme

>>15425451
>Electric spacecraft accelerate at like 0.000X m/s2, it's a few newtons of thrust pushing tons of spacecraft.
pathetic

>>15425471
>The power to weight ratio of chemical engines to nuclear engines has always been similar.
which makes sense. The solarfag said Fission reactors have 5-10W/kg which is too low

>>15425476
Oh, sorry, that's a vague phrasing on my part. I mean that chemical engines have always been much lighter than nuclear engines in all applications to date, and savings only enter the picture with the elimination of chemical fuel weight and chemical fuel volume.

>>15425454
Just read the literature. I had a good graph showing a bunch reactor designs but I can't find it.
>>15425466
The point with solar electric is that you don't need to make a stupid hybrid system, unless you want to get it out of LEO faster, because it has much faster accelation than nuclear electric while retaining much more dV. Most hybrid systems were proposed because old space are trying to get a pork project with them, this mostly concerns Mars since nuclear electric alone is way too slow to beat chemical or nuclear thermal there.
> really go all-in on mass optimizing your solar arrays,
You really just need thin-film cells and enough support to keep them extended. The most autistically mass optimized solar panels would still be much cheaper than a nuclear reactor so what is the point?
>>15425475
>pathetic
Compared to what? Solar electric would beat chemical to any distant planet, it's literally the tortoise versus the hare, lower thrust and acceleration but much more dV.

does your analysis take into account the weight of the bigger battery which is needed with solar?

>>15425483
>deltav autism
ok boomer

did we get any images of the chinese space plane's landing?

>>15425486
Why would solar propulsion need a battery?

>>15425486
Lithium ion batteries are only about 300 Wh/kg, how much time would any probe spend in a shadow while still operating its ion or plasma thrusters or can that be avoided entirely?
>>15425489
It's not autism, chemical is good because it's cheap but it's highly dV limited and literally cannot make it to certain planets with a useful payload, that is why we've never landed on Mercury.

>>15424725
SpaceX will have their own nuclear fusion rocket by 2038

what's with spaceports and lightning

>>15425501
Gods don't like Prometheus

>>15425498
building bigger with chemical is cheaper than entering the autism of dv chasing by optimising everything to such an extent it takes decades and billions of man hours only to watch your 10kg waftship take 80 years to maybe do a thing.

>>15425427
https://blogs.nasa.gov/smallsatellites/2023/05/08/signal-acquired/
NASA says the have contact.

>Signal Acquired!
>Team members successfully sent commands to the first CubeSat at 1:48 a.m. EDT, May 8. Subsequently, they established communications with the second CubeSat at 6:31 a.m. EDT. Read the NASA release

>>15425494
Because probes are sometimes in the shadow of Jupiter for example for dozens of minutes, or they turn to take a pic of something and now the solar panels aren't pointing at the sun anymore. That being said even nuclear rovers have batteries for power management but they can be much smaller.

>>15425507
You're painfully low IQ

>>15425512
good answer, laden with facts.

>>15425503
reminder that Prometheus is based for stealing rocket technology from the gods and giving it to us

>>15425501
phantom menace tier smudge image

>>15425483
What is the distance factor this baseline specification is using for the reactor core?

>>15425508
GOOD TO HEAR

>>15425501
Gods doesn't want us as neighbors. Why do you think space is so big?

Why are we perpetuating fission, fusion and solar autism again?

>>15425508
reminder that Astra fucked up so hard NASA pulled their contract and launched on Electron lol

>>15425508
>>15425523
Thank god for that

>>15424905
>bandicam in [current year]

>>15425522
Because high isp propulsion will become necessary at some point.
I agree it's sort of bikesheddy though.
There's plenty to do on the Moon and Mars.

>>15425360
>freezes your wind mills
Nothing personal bro

>>15425528
this is quality

>>15424846
https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1683573342613960.webm

>>15425522
muh isp tards will continue believing moving a semi truck with a 25cc scooter engine in 500th gear is the best way to do space flight because its very efficient and that is literally all that matters.

>>15425523
Yeah, their failure rate would be a respectable success rate. Astra has always been garbage.

>>15425470
>cybertruck
>cucks out and doesn't make a stainless steel exoskeleton
>turns into funny looking Hyundai truck
It's a damn shame what happened to that thing I had such high hopes for it

>>15425536
why would he say that

>>15425507
Chemical is still dV limited when scaled to any realistic level. Starship plus a vacuum optimized booster the same size as Super Heavy would be around ~5000 tons and even with no payload it still doesn't have the 16 km/s of dV to land on Mercury. Maybe you could do it if you added a third stage but it would be simpler and more cost effective to have one Starship launch a solar electric tug which would drop off a chemical lander. Once these tugs start being produced any number they would be very cost effective.
>>15425518
Not sure, source is
https://anstd.ans.org/NETS-2019-Papers/Track-4--Space-Reactors/abstract-96-0.pdf

Why exactly are rotating detonation engines more efficient?
Is it that the detonation provides sort of a "virtual" chamber pressure that can be higher than what your chamber actually needs to contain?

>>15425541
why no exoskeleton? How thick is the steel?

>>15425541
>turns into funny looking Hyundai truck
What do you mean? Its looks didn't meaningfully change since its announcement

>>15425015
how can we get rid of the climate? (here on Earth)

>>15425545
mechanically containing the pressure isn't the determining factor for any engine trying to do higher pressures. Concerning RDEs I know that one advantage is that the pump injecting the propellants into the toroidal combustion chamber can run on much lower pressures.

>>15425532
Booba

>>15425557
>Concerning RDEs I know that one advantage is that the pump injecting the propellants into the toroidal combustion chamber can run on much lower pressures.
AAH that makes a lot of sense

>>15425551
it looked like an 80s prop in total recall or demolition man and that was basically its only selling point that yo'd expect it to be some indestructible future thing from the future.

>>15425560
Not really well informed on RDEs though. This is something I vaguely remember from reading the wikipedia page. And yes the actual pressure in the detonating wave is much higher the pumps inject the prop at a low pressure and then the wave passes over them so to speak. Personally a bit skeptical about htese engines though

>>15425248
if you tried to do this and worked your way toward something practical, the reward for all your hard work would be tidal power, which already exists

>>15424616
https://www.rt.com/russia/575937-roscosmos-rogozin-us-moon-landing-proof/

>>15425571
Really an ugly piece of shit.
Why'd they coat it in the stuff they put on chinese plastic shit to make them look metal?

>>15425582
>rt

>>15425582
the Russians are losing their minds

>>15425545
Well, partner, rotating detonation engines are more efficient because they provide a continuous detonation wave that can combust the fuel more completely than traditional engines. This means they can extract more energy from the fuel and have higher thermal efficiency.
As for your second question, you're on the right track. The detonation wave can create a pressure in the combustion chamber that's higher than what would be achieved with a traditional engine, allowing for more complete fuel combustion. This can result in a more efficient use of fuel, which means better performance and lower emissions.
Now, I ain't no expert on the subject, but I reckon that's the gist of it. Hope that clears things up for ya.

>>15425582
When we go there with Artemis 3, we'll need to go back to the other sites and set up props and tracks to make it look like we really landed back in 1969

>>15425593
>that can combust the fuel more completely than traditional engines
stopped reading right there.
you're wrong

>>15425593
>gpt write 100 words on detonation engines with a southern american tone

why did they never deliver?

>>15425598
Cause LRO delivered better than they ever could

>>15425582
There is much less proof that Gagarin flew. No one besides the Russians witnessed him even get in the rocket.

>>15425598
gost overruns. i hope they point JUST at it now.

>>15424675
SWNBAW

>>15425598
Fun fact: two scientists working on that project went missing and a third died, age 45

>>15425601
but the VLT-I is earth based
big difference

>>15425606
please have a source

>>15425607
>but the VLT-I is earth based
>big difference
Yeah big difference in resolution and sharpness.
You could never reproduce the LRO images no matter how big a telescope you build.

>>15425451
Adding a source for this

https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/12824/lightest-possible-solar-array

>>15425582
I’ve yet to see irrefutable proof of dimon’s manhood remaining intact after the incident. What’s his point?

>>15425595
Well, partner, I reckon that claim don't hold water. Rotating detonation engines have shown to be more efficient than traditional engines by burning fuel more completely, resulting in less waste and emissions.
In fact, research at the University of Central Florida found that rotating detonation engines can burn fuel with over 99% efficiency, compared to the 80% efficiency of traditional engines. Plus, experiments with rotating detonation engines have already been conducted by the Air Force Research Laboratory and showed a 10-15% increase in efficiency.
So don't go roping us with that claim, partner. The proof is in the pudding, and the data and experiments show that rotating detonation engines can combust fuel more completely than traditional engines.

>>15425584
it looks like a model they bough in Ebay

>>15425601
>NASA investigates NASA, finds that NASA did nothing wrong

>>15425608
works cited

>>15425615
take your meds

>>15425593
the AI is wrong on this one bros but chat gpt is still pretty concerning

>>15425608
The Eunuch of Donetsk told him over telegram

>>15425582
Rogozin, you claim
US never landed on moon
But where's your proof, sir?
Nobunaga once said
"Believe nothing you hear and
Only half of what you see"
Science and reason
Have shown the truth for decades
Moon landing was real
Your words are like dust
Easily blown away by
Wind of history

>>15425619
I too am an "expert" "concerned" about "misinformation"

>>15425627
>Moon landing was real

>>15425632
Even if the moon landing was faked I’m moving the goalpost and saying it was still based and made the russian piss and shit and give up

>>15425632
i doubt the russians have ever even been to space.

>>15425641
Russians are a fake state, but their cosmonaut's suffering was very much real.

fun fact: dog laika, the first mammal to orbit the earth, still holds the record for the highest altitude reached by any mammal (including man) save for the miraculous apollo missions!
and didn't survive for long

>>15425643
no you're right i'm not going down that hole just to wind up vatniks. the soviet accomplishments in space were great, it's a shame they've fallen so far.

>>15425629
I was concerned about AI taking over everything but aigh

>>15425644
>record
>save for
What did he mean by this?

>>15425632
video of lunar dust is irrefutable proof of moonlanding, you can't simulate that with slow mo.

>>15425606

>>15425652
see:

jannies do your job

>>15425652
i'm sure the russian space dude has seen those

https://youtu.be/X3xddkS4H80
Dyson Swarms have been blinking out stars in the Milky Way for CENTURIES

did we ever get a firm answer on whether or not Rogozin still has his 'equipment'?

>>15425652
>>15425659
The sound stage was also a yuuuge vacuum chamber

>>15425669
Mmm yep sure there are Dyson sphere civilizations and the only proof we have is dubious sensor artefacts

>>15425501
Low latitude areas along the coast get lots of storms.

We must colonize the oceans of Umbriel

>>15425549
>>15425551
There was some images released of the assembly line that basically showed that the underlining frame wasn't a exoskeleton and possibly a frame design that might not be that great for towing. But won't have all the answers until it's released and torn apart. Waiting for Munro's video on it before I really I go full doomer on it, though the no exoskeleton is very lame

>>15425683
why don't we just give astronauts compression suits like this and maybe a nice down jacket for insulation instead of the unwieldy billion dollar shit suits they're stuck with?

>>15425687
If you wanted to hide the fact that you were swallowing stars, making it look like sensor artifacts would be the perfect cover

it's embarrassing to even reply to conspiracy nuts, even if they're just pretending to be. Don't even reply, it's like if someone was saying Massachusetts didn't exists. It's just a waste of time and it brings the discussion down to a grimy level of patheticalness.
Just report and move on

>>15425543
This might be an actual case of the reactor being designed to be safe enough to walk up and hug in operation, and if that's the case, the shielding mass can probably be cut to a tenth of this figure simply by replacing the reactor shielding with a distancing truss and exploiting the square-cube law.

>>15425713
I have never been to Massachusetts. Have you?

>>15425705
idk if that pic was taken in full vacuum given that his hands seem to be bare. it may be hot water in 0.5 bar

>>15425713
Not really. It's interesting to interact with conspiracies because they generally have a lot of thought put into them (with some exceptions). I admit that most conspiracy theorists are just stroking their schizophrenic egos to pretend that they're persecuted geniuses, however (time cube guy is an excellant example of this).

>he is on /sfg/
>he hasn't viewed the entirety of https://apolloinrealtime.org/17/
set aside ~100 hours and watch it anon. Skip the boring coast / sleep periods and make sure to read the commentary

>>15425730
Is 17 the best?

>on this general and not an engineering major
Tell me why you bother to live if theres no shot of you getting off Urf?

>>15425717
I was born there and visit regularly.

>This is what NASA was going to do with Apollo 20 in 1973.
>Our future was stolen from us.
https://twitter.com/wingod/status/1655697386386358272
>People flat out don't believe me when I tell them NERVA was planned for Apollo 20. We were *that close*
https://twitter.com/JeffGreason/status/1655707258414673920
>Exactly, it was. The VAB was designed to process NERVA from the beginning.
https://twitter.com/wingod/status/1655707415835459584
NTR haters are basically Apollo haters, never let them forget it

>>15425738
best is tricky, it is certainly the most geologically interesting and you have the S-tier Schmitt/Cernan team on the surface.

>>15425742
Fucking mudfoot Earthbrained retards. Reeeeee

>>15425740
I want to save up so I can live somewhere desolate and isolated.
It's the closest I'm gonna get to the real thing.

>>15425752
unfortunately you're always going to be within a couple miles of another human or thereabouts unless you're like in northern canada nowhere.

>>15425740
>college
lol

YT algorithm working hard tonight
https://youtu.be/mq38-l6ODUU

>>15425765
yeah, I was actually thinking something like that.
I was hoping for Alaska I guess.

>>15425742
>you hate Apollo because of a canceled mission that was so unrealistic it doomed the program
Hey, maybe they should have spent less time fucking around designing vaporware stages for the C-5N and more time sending payloads to space, NTRcuck.

>>15425770
YWNGTS boomer

Realistically, the future of spaceflight is Chinese.

>>15425815
I believe the future of government funded spaceflight is chinese. I know the future of general spaceflight is entirely SpaceX

>>15425802
The chemfag is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, Muskrat, luddite, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him an Apollo hater and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out!”

>>15425819
Why do you hate chemical propulsion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgv4jcVpwzs
TROPICS launch drone footage

related, the revisionist history writing out Astra and the two failed sats from the TROPICS program will always be funny to me
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-rocket-lab-launch-first-pair-of-storm-observing-cubesats

>>15425805
I'm a zoomer, every zoomer that wants to go to space will go to space

>>15425826
It chaps my ass personally but management got what it deserved.

>>15425819
Unfriendly and openly hostile reminder that a flight ready NERVA engine was never built, let alone the much bigger hydromeme only upper stage for the Saturn. Since you love fantasy so much, why not write down an alternative history where Jamal didn't fuck your wife(male).

I may have gone too far

>>15425835
>60 startups
weird flex

>>15425843
Start/stop cycles for an engine.
>expendable fission reactors

>>15425706
>If you wanted to hide the fact that you were swallowing stars

Yeah civilizations that just got telescopes might run away or fight back from the civilization that is swallowing stars

Yep, that's an iconic third stage with unbeatable performance

>>15425884

>>15425884
It’s actually a second stage, where my Saturn I fans at?
>>15425885
I made this image and some of the numbers are wrong just fyi

>>15425885
Post their Delta-V
I actually don't know off the top of my head

>>15425933
Delta-V with what payload though.

>>15425935
Whatever their nominal payload is

>>15425933
S-IVB has 9122 m/s without payload, 4291 m/s with a 30t payload. I'm working on comparing it to the Falcon 9 stage two, I'll post that in a bit

>>15425818
China is literally collapsing

>>15425713
I can tell youre sweating bullets

>>15425941
Thanks bro

>>15425942
China has been collapsing for a century now according to the west. I dont like them but I know theyre going nowhere for a long time. I recognize their advancements in spacelaunch and spacetech, even if you dont.

>>15425947
No problem, I grabbed its numbers from Wikipedia but maybe I screwed something up. This site has a good calculator
https://www.strout.net/info/science/delta-v/intro.html
>>15425941
So without any payload, F9 S2 is better, I guess because of the much lower dry mass, but with a 30t payload the S-IVB has 860 m/s more dV. Still don't think it's worth the penalty of hydromeme.

>>15425942
China is doing better than ever

https://youtu.be/dq6LWaXyIUc
Who is in charge?

>>15424780
pure suffering

>the only reason why ULA hasnt gone out of business is because nobody else can compete with them aside from spacex
maybe ULA isnt so bad after all. still though, maybe its time to consider breaking them up.

Hello Elon Sisters of /SFG/! It's your old friend The Space Elevator Fag. Just here to say I'm still watching you queers....I'm always watching. I haven't forgotten about you misguided man babies. Eat shit and die slow while the Earth's core pulls you downwards at a steady rate of 9.81 m/s2. Elon "The False God" Musk is The Great Filter, the sooner retards understand that the sooner we can actually solve the problem.

>>15425981
space escalator > space elevator

Fuck the schizo here’s a cool photo of the shuttle flight deck

tfw the Buzzer is still kicking ass.

>>15425981
Every time you post here, I cry a little inside. You are making it hard to enjoy my hobby

>>15425989
Unironically the third most productive response to all my orbital tether propaganda efforts. Have a (You) sir!

TQ, how long till Elon gives up on Boca Chica and what will the cultists cope be when he does?

>>15426005
Excellent, the brand is making a mark and people remember us! I won't be sticking around this time Elon Sisters I like to make a big show when I have something worth sharing....or Uncle Elon fucks up AGAIN! So I'll likely be back next fuck up.

>>15426009
Thank you for your perspective

>>15425954
Decided to take the volume of the LOx tank on the S-IVB and it assume it had hydrogen at the same density as the real hydrogen tank so I could do a comparison using nuclear thermal. To be fair I'm assuming the engine is only 3t and it has an Isp of 900s, much better than NERVA.

This gives 7753 m/s without a payload and only 3574 m/s with 30t, which is 815 m/s less than F9 S2 and 1,618 m/s less than the S-IVB(the numbers are slightly different than what was posted previously because I made an error)

Therein lies the rub, nuclear thermal has double the Isp of hydrolox but you no longer have your very dense LOx and you carry far less propellant for any one stage. There is no fucking away anyone is getting high payload nuclear thermal tug without gigantic tanks that may not even fit inside Starship.

>>15426017
I really should proofread more. Anyway there is also the problem propellant loading since SpaceX probably won't modify their infrastructure to support hydrogen. What are the alternatives besides SLS?

>>15425043
>"""Naomi"""
>"""woman"""

>>15425742
>>Exactly, it was. The VAB was designed to process NERVA from the beginning.
holy shit this makes some things about the VAB finally make sense

Ad astra per aspera, frens. See you on Mars.

>>15425043
>>15425050
FYI he cucked out

>>15426040
See you in mars, we lithobreaking

>Sizing up the 2023 GEO manufacturing battleground
>Competition among builders of the world’s largest communications satellites is intensifying in a shrinking market.
somebody save geo...

>>15425302
You're never sober

>>15426049
geo is dead
good riddance

>>15426051
Damn, that means he can't use that Churchill line...
>Sir, you are drunk.
>And you, Bessie, are ugly. But I shall be sober in the morning, and you will still be ugly.”

>>15426056
For your sake I hope you're drunk, since that is an absolutely atrocious post to make sober.

>>15426065
t. Bessie

Drunk posters:
>greatest contributors to /sfg/
>well versed in spaceflight
>funny
>help out newfags and answer their questions

Sober posters:
>mean
>rude
>take themself too seriously
>too self conscious to post about anything they don't know with complete certainty
>ugly

You don't think it be like it is but it do