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>>15415444
>irrelevant
>vaporware
>vaporware
>soon to be irrelevant
>vaporware
>vaporware
>dead on arrival
>soon to be irrelevant
>vaporware
>new era of rocketry
Quite the lineup we have here.

>>15415448
Describe to me, sfg - using less than four words, but more than two words

How many of these (not SpaceX) rockets are going to be propulsively landed?

>>15415456
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>15415456
Two more weeks

>>15415456
autistic muskrat cope

>>15415456
Total beetle death.

I still need an explanation for this yeeting
>>15415128

>>15415456
It is over
(We are so back)

>>15415456
can't sugarcoat this

>>15415474
The ISS is in such a low orbit you can launch satellites and deorbit trash just by picking the appropriate side of the station to throw an object

They can even dispose of trash by launching it out of an airlock
https://youtube.com/watch?v=A-LY8ZZJ0nM

>>15415474
Read a book on Russian history, that will explain everything. Particularly the Ivan the Terrible era.

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4575/1

> The lunar farside is permanently shielded from the radio signals generated by humans on Earth. During the lunar night, it is also protected from the Sun. These characteristics make it probably the most “radio-quiet” location in the whole solar system as no other planet or moon has a side that permanently faces away from the Earth. It is therefore ideally suited for radio astronomy.

> Radio waves with wavelengths longer than about 15 meters are blocked by Earth’s ionosphere. But radio waves at these wavelengths reach the Moon’s surface unimpeded. For astronomy, this is the last unexplored region of the electromagnetic spectrum, and it is best studied from the lunar farside.

> Because the universe is constantly expanding, the 21-centimeter signal generated by hydrogen in the early universe has been shifted to much longer wavelengths. As a result, hydrogen from the cosmic “dark ages” will appear to us with wavelengths greater than 10 meters. The lunar farside may be the only place where we can study this.

> This would help to assess how capable these exoplanets are of hosting life. Radio waves from exoplanet magnetospheres would probably have wavelengths greater than 100 meters, so they would require a radio-quiet environment in space. Again, the far side of the Moon will be the best location.

> The Moon’s low gravity may also enable the construction of much larger telescopes than is feasible for free-flying satellites. These considerations have led the astronomer Jean-Pierre Maillard to suggest that the Moon may be the future of infrared astronomy.

The moon, the next place where astronomers will continue to seethe about this and that, clueless that getting there in the first place was due to industrialization

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4576/1

>>15415493
Why not just put it on the other side of the Sun but in Earth orbit

>>15415448
SpaceX Fans Gaybar

>>15415500
What's the froyo flavor today

>>15415494
very nice to see this shift in attitude from NASA to actually accept risk

> When NASA started CLPS five years ago, it accepted what agency officials frequently called a “shots on goal” philosophy: just as not every shot in a hockey game or soccer match makes it into the back of the net, not every lander will make it to the lunar surface intact.

>>15415456
>>15415500

>>15415488
I doubt they're imparting enough velocity to do anything more than just get the trash away from the ISS where it will then decay naturally over months before burning up during reentry

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/05/europes-major-satellite-players-line-up-to-build-starlink-competitor/

This has been posted before (directly or other article), but might as well

> The partnership announced Tuesday, which also includes Deutsche Telekom, Hispasat, OHB, Orange, Hisdesat, and Telespazio, will aim to create a state-of-the-art satellite constellation based on a multi-orbit architecture. Although it is top-heavy with established industry players, the partnership said it will encourage startups in the European space sector to join the coalition. This is in response to a desire by Breton to broaden the European commercial space sector.

>At present, Europe estimates the cost of this constellation at about 6 billion euro and desires it to be ready to provide global coverage by the year 2027. Both the budget and the timeline for this project are likely very ambitious, given the amount of coordination needed and the unlikelihood that Europe's Ariane 6 rocket will have the spare launch capacity to get hundreds of satellites into low-Earth orbit starting in the mid-2020s. The Ariane 6 rocket will not debut until 2024 at the earliest.

Do massive consortiums like this ever actually work or accomplish anything? Seems like most of the effort will go to coordination, a bit like NASA and its 57k gorillion subcontractors in 52 states, but in Europes case its probably worse

>>15415504
>Using risk and NASA in the same sentence
The only risk NASA is taking here is that science doesn't happen. I prefer to think of CLPS as a space economy initiative, where NASA funds a bunch of prototypes and hopes working and successful companies and tech come out the other side.

They want more SpaceXs

https://spacenews.com/plutonium-availability-constrains-plans-for-future-planetary-missions/

This has been discussed here too
maybe its time to develop some form of power source that doesn't need plutonium, be that another RTG with some other element besides plutonium, or something else entirely

> The OIG report also criticized the agency for failure to develop new radioisotope power systems that could offer increased efficiency and thus reduce the amount of plutonium needed. In the last decade NASA has shelved work on two systems, the Advanced Stirling Radioisotope Generator (ASRG) and Enhanced MMRTG, that offered improved efficiency or lifetime over the existing MMRTG.
oh lol

> The agency’s current focus is on the Next-Gen RTG, an updated version of an older design known as GPHS. A prototype called Mod-0 is scheduled to be completed in the fourth quarter of 2024, Dudzinski said. The Mod-1 design, which would be offered for the Uranus, Endurance-A and later missions, will go through a preliminary design review in 2024 with the first Mod-1 ready for fueling in the late 2020s.

> NASA had also been working on an alternative technology, called the Dynamic Radioisotope Power System, building on earlier wok on ASRG. It could produce as much power as a Next-Gen RTG but use less plutonium than an MMRTG. NASA’s fiscal year 2024 budget request, though, proposes ending work on that project because of funding constraints elsewhere in NASA’s planetary science division.

> “The technology has matured a long way since ASRG,” Dudzinski said. “The technology has matured and we are ready to proceed with flight development, but the division can’t afford that.”

SLS really has been a blight on NASA
or does SLS basically have its own budget? the critics can use the total sum NASA uses that includes SLS and related stuff, so idk

>>15415448
Now get the fuck out.

>>15415493
>The lunar farside is permanently shielded from the radio signals generated by humans on Earth
uh what is going to happen when there are humans on Mars?
or even just more satellites around the moon

https://spacenews.com/pe-firm-closes-6-4-billion-deal-to-acquire-maxar-technologies/

> Maxar started trading on the New York Stock Exchange and the Toronto Stock Exchange in 2017. It officially became a U.S. corporation in 2020 when the company spun off the Canadian subsidiary MDA. MDA in 2012 had purchased the Palo Alto-based satellite manufacturer Space Systems Loral and in 2017 acquired the Westminster-based Earth-imaging firm DigitalGlobe. The combined companies were rebranded Maxar Technologies.

>The company’s origin goes back to 1957. Western Development Laboratories, a division of Philco, was the first building block of what would eventually become Maxar. Western Development Laboratories launched its first communications satellite in 1960. The following year, Philco was purchased by Ford Motor Co. The combined Philco-Ford became Space Systems Loral in 1990.

Maxar went private

>>15415522
Nah what's going to happen is they'll fight for five years over requirements and standards, France will drop out halfway and try to do it themselves (they will, naturally, ask Russia for money and launches) and Germany will be left to cobble something together with the pieces

Ariane 6 will hobble along in the background while they figure out some politically acceptable number of launches they can use it for before shelving it for something they can reuse

https://spacenews.com/seraphim-picks-startups-for-eleventh-accelerator-program/

> Members of the company’s eleventh bi-annual accelerator program are:

>> Astrolight (Lithuania), which is developing optical communications technology for low Earth orbit satellites.
>> Spacecraft docking technology developer Kurs Orbital (Italy).
>> GalaxEye (India), which is building a multi-sensor imaging satellite for Earth observation.
>> Allocation Space (U.S.), a financial services firm developing trading tools for the space industry.
>> EarthEye (Singapore), which is developing an online marketplace for ordering geospatial data and insights.
>> Amini (U.S.), a startup with plans for an Africa-focused constellation for connecting remote Internet of Things (IoT) devices.
>> Orbital Composites (U.S.), a 3D-printing specialist aiming to improve satellite payload capacity.>>
>> In-space refueling station developer SPACEIUM (U.S.)
>> Virtus Solis (U.S.), which is developing a commercial space-based solar power system.

Reminder, 4000+ Starlink sats are in orbit right now.

>>15415530
The Decadal Survey begged NASA not to cannibalize their existing programs for Artemis money

But that's exactly what came to pass. Budgets got cut across all of NASA to fund this moon stuff and NOW THEY EXTENDED THE ISS LIFETIME AGAIN

>>15415530
I really hope Starship is ready and reliable enough by the time this thing is ready. There is no way this is going to get done in time for the Jupiter gravity assist, and I want to see new pictures of Uranus before I'm 40.

>>15415498
stop coming up with good ideas

>>15415546
yet if I bring up that astronautics eats money that would be better spent in probes /spacefags/ start to throw shit

>>15415533
Then those need to get moved further out again.

>>15415533
>humans on Mars?
Go home and get your fuckin warp drive

>>15415567
It's habbening. Musk wills it.

>>15415498
Goreans will declare war on us

>>15415573
>those moons
Inner system means It's unlikely. Not even mentioning how this destabilizes the wider solar system.

>>15415571
he's so cool bros

>>15415577
also, even a small impact event will cause one to catch up with the other eventually.

>>15415571
me on the left

>>15415548
even at the painfully slow pace we're going, telescopes are getting pretty decent for the outer solar system

>>15415533
just build picrel; you don't need the Moon to block interference just metal foil

>>15415456
Spinchads mog wellfags

>>15415587
>foil
wouldn't it act as solar sail?

>>15415456
Kill all earthers

>>15415456
pisslock - patent pending

>>15415530
Radioisotopes good for RTGs have to meet a specfic criteria. They should be mostly alpha and beta emitters so they won't need much shielding, won't pose a risk to workers, and be comparatively cheap to work with. They need to have a half-life spanning decades. The assembled RTG should have a specific power of around 1-4 watts per kg which is pathetic compared to anything else but can still meet the mass budget of deep space missions.

This leave few options and none of them have an ample and cheap supply. Irradiating small batches of material in reactors to produce a Pu 238 supply of a few kilograms a year won't cut it. There has been talk of reprocessing nuclear fuel for this but it seems to have gone nowhere. The biggest head wind is that solar power is continuously improving and the cost of building spacecraft is falling, especially if done by the private sector, so missions using these expensive ass RTGs are becoming harder and harder to justify. State of practice solar is already competitive to RTGs on a mass basis at Saturn.

>>15415456
Libertarian vicarious utopists.

>>15415590
not so fast Mr O'Neill. Build your nutty tubes on your own dime!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-says-great-intellect-183337359.html

>>15415650
not clicking that

UHHHHHHH DOOMBROS THE ONE YEAR TO REPAIR THE TANK FARM???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ILy2ubf3g

>>15415663
he cant keep getting away with it

>>15415663
There was no proof it was anything but dented.

>>15415669
the water tanks were dented, one of the lox tanks was pierced at least partly with outgassing, but not 100% of that though

>>15415663
doomposters awfully quiet right now

>>15415663
What baut dem birds tho?

the news is old and busted, we need news of events before they happen
>relativity files for bankruptcy; lawsuits pile on after claims of defrauding investors
>the chase is on: us navy warships pursue chinese fishing vessels accused of hauling away elon musk's starship
>pitiful end: russia's last manned mission delayed indefinitely as funding dries up

I would literally need a billion dollars worth of RTGs to run my toaster, which isn't the same one as in this image but I wish it was

>>15415456
doomers go ACK

>>15415456
Zubrin Zubrin Zubrin

>>15415456
'ate urf me

>>15415456
board in general is full globohomo NPCs, but this one thread is full of disgusting science redditors.

>>15415456
space flight general

>>15415663
>i buffed it out

>>15415456
TOTAL EARTHER DEATH

>>15415743
I agree with the picture, astronomers are faggots, always complaining about the night sky. Rockets are cool, thoughever.

>>15415663
I mean yeah they can fix the outside skin but half the problem with the tank farm was the regulator niggers fucking everything up with permit and inspection shit. Idk if they will let the mexicans just weld some shit up and hammer it out. Based if they do but I doubt it. Plus some of those tanks were 100% punctured on the internal skin, we saw pictures of them venting shit. In a rational world you wouldn't need these niggers in your face just store some pressurised gas but we don't live in that world unfortunately.

>>15415758
This is the science board. Maybe automotive sports are more your thing if you like loud spectacle.

DO NOT ruin an astroonomers billion dollar light bucket with simple tools. JUST DON'T DO IT OK?

>>15415638
Based Proxmire btfo'ing spinqueers

>>15415456
Not rocket science

>>15415778
I would watch rocket races. Very cool idea.
To tell the truth /sfg/ could be on /sci/,/n/ or /xs/ and it wouldn't really matter.

>>15415788
>After assuming his seat, Proxmire did not pay the customary tribute to his predecessor and stated instead that McCarthy was a "disgrace to Wisconsin, to the Senate, and to America."
> wellfags new hero is the ultimate commie crab bucketer
every day a new low from that quarter

>>15415745
anon what the FUCK

>>15415796
it's truly over for proxmire posters...

>>15415456
Seriously Feeling Ghostly

>>15415758
The earth is flat with a dome you dumbass NPC

You think I could work in the space industry with 114 IQ?

>>15415663
It's only getting started.
Things will only get faster from here. Eventually Starship launches will become more mundane than Falcon 9 launches. People won't even bother paying attention to the Starships that aren't launching people.

What the FUCK were they thinking!?

>>15415822
No. Not because you have an IQ of 114, but because you think that matters.

>>15415825
Ywnbaw.

>>15415822
You?
You could have 200 IQ and still be useless.

>>15415827
IQ matters much less on an individual level than other factors like work ethic and culture.
Nigger.

>>15415821
what a horrible world you think you're living in.
You should stay here in this pit, I will be leaving.

>>15415821
t. jewbrained NPC
The ancients understood the truth of the globe, until Saul of Tarsus used his connections to subvert Rome with the Jew cult.
Your crimes against Rome have not gone unrecorded.

>>15415834
Kill yourself you projecting jewish /pol/nigger.

>>15415839
+1 to your glownig jew lies against the light of Rome.

I always get a boner while browsing /SFG/

>>15415628
My fellow americans
We must uhhhhhhh
Drone strike the NASA cabal

>>15415697

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/05/musk-orbital-goal-starship-debut/

>>15415444
I thought reusability concepts for Vulcan were abandoned?

>>15415861
tl:dr

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1653805136676888577?cxt=HHwWgoC9tc7Av_MtAAAA

>>15415861
we're back

>>15415444
Starship can be said to be operational if what the customer wants is a huge fireworks display

>>15415834
>The ancients understood the truth of the globe
All your "ancients" were faggots of the highest order. The earth is flat and stationary.

What would be the hardest technical problem done by humanity if not Starship?
Can't think of any candidates in absolute terms. But if we account for lower level of technology available when old problems were solved, then there are plenty.

>>15415879
>But if we account for lower level of technology available when old problems were solved
Why the hell wouldn't we?

>>15415870
>he admits that he is addled by the talmud
worshipping jews on sticks really fucks with the brain. Those ancient greeks had the right idea.

>>15415834
This is unfair; the early Christians only had a couple of flatfags and they were marginal. Flattery only gets going in the 19th century among the most brain dead judaized protestants.

>>15415879
starship isn't really a technical problem as much as a business problem
something like ITER is a much harder technical problem

>>15415879
fusion that reliably works

>>15415456
schizo flat-tards general

>>15415663
It's been so long since I've seen true SpaceX tenacity that I've forgotten this was the reason how they mogged everyone. Pic related.

>>15415449
>new era of rocketry

>shit-tier Space Shuttle that can't achieve orbit, trashes its launch site and relies entirely on chemical propellant to self-destruct its overclocked engines one by one until it even fails to self-abort

N-1 did most of this shit in the 1960s.

>>15415906
can we skip the foreplay and go straight to you talking about space elevators

>>15415888
ITER is not a hard technical problem, it's a hard bureaucratic problem.
>>15415889
That will happen after Starship. But yes, commercially viable fusion power will be a greater technical accomplishment than Starship.

>>15415914
i really hope fusion ends up working, it means everyone goes on a moon mining dash that pushes more commercial avenues for sf

>>15415884
Because a quantifiable metric for ranking a problem's complexity vs available tech level would be very complicated. Any suitably complex problem has required many innovations during its development to be solvable.
Easier to just assess a problem's difficulty in absolute terms. Plus -- More excitement for the future, less looking back into what we've already done.

>Pam Melroy will become the NASA's first female administrator
OH FUCK

>>15415919
>everyone goes on a moon mining dash that pushes more commercial avenues for sf
Moon mining for fusion fuel is a meme.

>>15415926
OH GOD! A WOMAN

>>15415926
So does this mean that Lord Senator Administrator Ballast will be stepping down?

>>15415926
This is contingent upon Biden winning and Nelson also stepping aside

>>15415930
Why are popsci mushminds afraid of neutrons? idgi

>>15415930
we're mining the well whether you like it or not

>>15415926
whomst'd've

>>15415945
sure but not for fucking He-3

spacex will be launching Kuiper too, I assume. that's a lot of f9 launches. stage 2 production people must be buy

>>15415926
>Pam Melroy
>Melroy joined the Federal Aviation Administration in 2011, where she was a senior technical advisor and director of field operations for the FAA's Office of Commercial Space Transportation

seems kind of good?

>>15415955
Bezos is doing everything to get Kuiper to launch on literally every other launch vehicle except for SpaceX. Including crashing the global LV market with no survivors by completely buying out every rocket ever.

>>15415960
The problem is that he's buying launches on rockets that don't exist

>>15415964
and he's even building one of those rockets that doesn't exist

>>15415968
brutal

are any of the upcoming 1st stage recovery rockets >>15415444
recovering fairings like SpaceX?

>>15415976
it's not that easy in rocketry

uh oh

>>15415982
yes

>>15415982
wait shit is this for real?

>>15415982
I don't believe it

>>15415982
the first version of this 10 days ago
its bullshit, and that is why it hasnt been publicized

>>15415982
Its so over 'chinks are mindless uncreative bugs' bros

>>15415993
We're so back, 'chinks are mindless uncreative bugs' bros

>>15415993
>gonna press X to doubt on this one

>>15415997
Maybe the Great Filter is creative thought and it's tougher than we anticipated.
Perhaps the White Man is the only sapient being in the Galaxy.

damn and here I thought we'd now be able to crack RSA and take over some older satellites for a /sfg/ fleet

>>15415960
>crashing the global LV market
that will in the end just funnel more people to SpaceX

>>15415993
>reddit nigger

>>15415906
OH YEAH TIME-LOOP TIME!!

current Bezorp Kuiper launch autism:

>38 launches with ULA,
>18 with Arianespace,
>at least 12 with Blue Origin (with the option to buy another 15)

83 so far

>>15416009
oh shut up

>>15415638
You killed my father!

>>15416012
>oh shut up
only after TOTAL REDDITNIGGER DEATH

>>15415982
I have no idea that this is about

>>15415955
No it won’t

>>15415650
Musk is so dumb it hurts. I read somewhere he literally was steering the rocket and made it flip when the engineers warned him not to. Like...what the fuck?

>>15415697
someone PLEASE find her instagram

>>15416031
>>15415650
Is that actually a genuine write-up? It reads like a parody

>>15416039
Yahoo news has been run by bunch of Tesla shortsellers for a long time. Its devoid of any actual content.

>>15416039
lots of shit like this
its genuine yes

>>15415823
Not until they totally redesign the launchpad.

>>15415885
"Jews on sticks" live rent-free in your dumbass brain.

>>15416058
wtf is this image

>>15415982
>>15415993
The fuck does any of this mean?

>>15416062
It's a paper that claims to solve one of the most important unsolved problems in computer science.
It's not very convincing.

>>15416065
Yeah but what is that super important unsolved problem?
Just being able to solve large problems quickly?

>>15416066
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_NP_problem?useskin=vector

Is pulsed nuclear propulsion even feasible?
This guy has packed 137k dV on a huge ass ship that takes 30 something days in arriving
https://youtu.be/-oeqJ5-oYQI

>>15416066
solving it would mean we could solve a lot of other problems that can be transformed to a similar problem

>>15415968
>Why didn't BO achieve orbit for 23 years
Well, I know people say this mockingly yet there is an obvious answer to that question
1. In the first years, BO didn't have much money nor many employees. I believe the real hiring spree started in the early 2010s
2. They fucked around a long while with suborbital rockets and have probably wasted a lot more employee time on that than they should have, especially since manned flight requires overengineering, extreme QA and testing
3. When they did start serious work an orbital rocket, they wanted to design a very very ambitious one, huge size, incorporating virtually every fancy feature imaginable at the time; propulsive landing with high cross range on a moving ship, previously unprecedented restartable reusable 2.45MN ORSC engines, methane-oxygen propellant, common bulkheads, autogenous pressurization, etc, etc
4. BO works slowly, however not slowly by what used to be the industry norm before SpaceX
5. SpaceX has been sucking up some of the best engineers available on the US labor market

>>15415456
Newfags destroy everything

>>15415982
>no mention of 'quantum'
Into the trash

>>15416099
She's just so beautiful, bros.

>>15415968
>Why didn't BO achieve orbit for 23 years
Well, I know people say this mockingly, yet it seems to me there's an obvious answer to that question
1. In the first years, BO didn't have much money nor many employees. I believe the real hiring spree started in the early 2010s
2. They fucked around a long while with suborbital rockets and have probably wasted a lot more employee time on that than they should have, especially since manned flight requires overengineering, extreme QA and testing
3. When they did start serious work an orbital rocket, they wanted to design a very very ambitious one, of huge size and incorporating virtually every fancy feature imaginable at the time; propulsive landing with high cross range on a moving ship, restartable reusable 2.45MN single-chamber ORSC engines, methane-oxygen propellant, common bulkheads, autogenous pressurization, etc, etc
4. BO works slowly, however not slowly by what used to be the industry norm before SpaceX
5. SpaceX has been sucking up some of the best engineers available on the US labor market

Bad news bros. I won't be able to post any classic /sfg/ memes anymore as I have lost access to them indefinitely. The good news is, this is an opportunity to discover/create/post fresh new spaceflight memes

>>15416103
>BO works slowly, however not slowly by what used to be the industry norm before SpaceX
I know what you are trying to say here but I disagree, even oldspace would have made orbit with 20 years of the same funding.
The issue is Bezos just really wanted to be the cool billionaire that takes his buddies on sub-orbital joyrides and I don't think he had a plan for what the company should do apart from that.

>>15415449
I find it hilarious how the biggest most promising project is well past the vaporware filter.

>>15415444
Daily reminder that chemical energy rocketry is quite literally archaic technology, and we are destined to go extinct on this rock with the next scheduled calamity unless a new physics based propulsion system is developed.

But that won't happen because there have been no breakthroughs in the understanding of nature since the 1930s.

>>15416117
Orion drive generation ships could get us to close stars but there isn't huge profits and coke and hookers in that so it's a low priority.

>>15416106
He totaly did, he wanted to larp as Picard, help reenact the apollo moon landings and (aspirationally) solve climate change with O'Neill cylinders.

>>15416121
Popsci mind mush.

>>15416106
>>15416123
The best quote about Jeff Bezos I've ever heard is
>"He doesn't want to build O'Neill cylinders, he wants to be the guy who built O'Neill cylinders."
or something along those lines, at least.

>>15416117
>Daily reminder that chemical energy rocketry is quite literally archaic technology

>archaic
>adjective
> (of a word or a style of language) no longer in everyday use but sometimes used to impart an old-fashioned flavour.
> "a term with a rather archaic ring to it"
> of an early period of art or culture, especially the 7th–6th centuries BC in Greece.
> "the archaic temple at Corinth"
Nah.

>>15416125
just keep posting the image over and over while changing the hash, that would be funnier

Speaking of Blue Origin I haven't heard a peep out of ULA since they had performance issues with the two engines that got delivered

>>15416106
From what I understand BO didn't start serious work until early 2010s though.

BO could probably have made orbit far far quicker if they had instead made a small gg kox launcher. However there wouldn't be that much point in that in a world where SpaceX already existed, before relations with Russia had turned sour, as Rocket Lab had got a study contract for Electron, other than to be able to say "we made orbit".

If I interpret this correctly, Rocket Lab is losing money just by operating its launch business, and funds itself through raising investment money and expanding into ancillary business.
https://s28.q4cdn.com/737637457/files/doc_financials/2022/q4/dc30165b-e9a9-4384-9a5c-bf4331177263.pdf (page 44)
Unlike other launch companies, BO doesn't need to prove itself to investors ASAP to get more investment money to avoid going bankrupt.

New Glenn was likely intended to leapfrog SpaceX's Falcon 9, although SpaceX in turn moved so fast, they leapfrogged NG with Starship before NG was ready.

>>15416135
>didn't start serious work
*on an orbital launcher

Something no one is talking about: It could take a year or more to recertify the Starship FTS. See Rocket Lab

>>15416138
Just slap like 10 tons of high explosives all across it.

>>15416135
>However there wouldn't be that much point ... other than to be able to say "we made orbit".
You can't be in the LV business without spending a shitload on R&D to find out what works. Fastest and cheapest way is to fly and learn instead of sitting at the drafting table for a decade.

>>15416138
>break wires
>rate of pitch / yaw monitoring
>linear shaped charge
I know I'm probably missing a lot but it honestly does seem like a pretty simple issue when you aren't trying to scrape every gram off your LV.

>>15416141
Why? Isn't the biggest bottleneck for BO their BE-4 engine? Would building and launching a simpler rocket help with that? Haven't many of their employees already worked on rockets and rocket engines?

With regards to first stage propulsive landing, aren't they getting some experience of that from NS, as was a major rationale for NS?

>>15415456
Space flight, general

>>15415456
science fiction general

>>15416073
Some of them should be technically achievable but it would take multiple times the annual GDP of a large nation to build them so what's the point in taking them seriously? I just don't get it, if you're going to go full retard about propulsion you should be looking at antimatter which is endgame, otherwise the focus should be on realistic alternatives like ion/plasma thrusters, laser thermal/electric, solar sails, mag sails, etc which have great potential and could be done affordably.

>Create and freeze antihydrogen in manufacturing facilities around the Sun
>store inside a Penning trap
>annihilate inside an engine core to heat propellant or direct the pions through a magnetic nozzle
>go zoom
It's that easy. Do not use the antimatter to destroy any last trace of your enemies.

>>15415879
Terraforming

>>15416160
We haven't done that yet
dumb time traveler

>>15416150
>Why?
There are a million little things that go wrong in developing a rocket when you are a company that has been flying them for half a century. If you are new you would be better off getting a sounding rocket up ASAP for, design, manufacturing and flight experiance. Now you have some idea how the business works because I guarantee a shitload of management is going to be there because they have management experiance in something that has nothing to do with rocketry.
You get a lot of experiance and a staff moral boost for $1-$2m which is fucking nothing.
Now you can start playing with a second stage for the same sounding rocket and might aswell give it guidance too. Now you are launching a rocket with everything needed to be orbital even if it lacks the deltaV.
What are we at now? Maybe $10m for infight staging, ignition, guidance and satbus experiance?

I get a businessman that has never build anything physical in his life thinking that the worlds second largest rocket is a good place to start but as someone that has been building things for 20 years I can tell you that is not a good plan.

reminder

>>15415879
>if not Starship?
Mate settle down, Musk can get better lookers than you to suck his dick.
The shuttle was way harder than Starship with the tech of the time and the shuttle guys looked up to the Concord guys because they had it so much harder.

>>15416061
lmao no idea some globohomo shills made that

>>15416170
>The shuttle was way harder than Starship with the tech of the time
Starship as is true. Fully and rapidly reusable Starship flying twice a day absolutely not.
>the shuttle guys looked up to the Concord guys because they had it so much harder
delusional. the rs-25 alone disproves that

>>15416169
Who though?

>>15416159

>>15416161
Oh you meant already-finished stuff I thought you meant future. In that case Manhatten Project, or maybe big projects like hoover dam or Cheyenne mountain.

>>15416177
take my money x trillions

https://archive.is/20230504091254/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-05-04/peter-beck-s-rocket-lab-challenges-elon-musk-and-spacex

> From When the Heavens Went on Sale: The Misfits and Geniuses Racing to Put Space Within Reach by Ashlee Vance.

Very long article, an excerpt from Ashlee Vance's book

>>15416173
Just how easy to do think it is to push a passanger jet to the same speed as a F-104 Starfighter and still be able to serve drinks on a table?

>>15416167
>Now you have some idea how the business works
It is not obvious to me how a second stage sounding rocket would help them solve BE-4 issues

Maybe it wasn't a good plan, I especially doubt making NS a manned rocket was a good idea, however I can certainly see what Bezos & co were thinking:
(1) We'll gain institutional experience with first stages, staging, first stage landing and rocket engines from NS
(2) We have (or can hire) employees with experience building orbital rockets
(3) There is no business case for a simple orbital rocket
(4) We don't need to impress any investors because we already have all the money we need to fund NG development to the end
(5) The upper stage is supposed to be cheap part so we can afford to waste lots of them in testing
(6) The main difficulty won't be with the upper stage anyway, it will be with the super-advanced BE-4 engine we want to develop
And it seems that the BE-4 engine is the problem, and I don't see how any number of sounding rocket second stages would have helped with that. IT seems to me that a more aggressive BE-4 testing program would perhaps have helped more instead.

>>15416185
Not even in the same ballpark as the STS program. Cope about it

>>15416169
>hullo is following a guy who's obsessed with horsecock and advocates for pedophilia because his small penis is better suited for sex with children

>>15416185
i smell a brit trying to cope by using the last thing this country did of note

>>15416177
The hardest part is collecting and storing the antimatter, right?
How can we do that at large scales?

>>15416159
We can't make antimatter in quantity beyond a handful of molecules. A fusion rocket is more realistic.

>>15416192
>>15416193
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF34xzDCDbU

>>15416182
>“I mean, if we’re being honest, how does sending a couple of dudes to Mars meaningfully impact your life or my life? We’re inspired, and that is an impact. But that doesn’t really change the way that I live my life.
Beck has a small brain doesn't he? He doesn't seem to understand scale and growth

>>15416186
>(1)
Solid plan
>(2)
Staff are great but managment are the hard ones to hire becuase they have good jobs in established companies and don't want to risk it all on a startup. Bad management that don't understand the work those under them are doing will cripple any company.
>(3)
True, yet SpaceX started with the Falcon 1 which was obsolete before it's first flight.
>(4)
True
>(5)
What? Lite is far from cheap and you want every gram you can get off the second stage.
>(6)
If they really thought the second stage would be easier than the first they really did strugle to get the right people.

>And it seems that the BE-4 engine is the problem, and I don't see how any number of sounding rocket second stages would have helped with that
Maybe they would have learnt the second stage is harder than the first by the $10m mark instead of... what are they at now?

>>15416185
Calm down. Concorde wasn't that fast, the Blackbird was a fast plane.

>>15416199
really interesting thanks

>>15416204
Sounds more like Rocket Lab got no ambition, I wonder what he thinks about spacex transporter program.

>>15416206
Why do you say the second stage is the harder problem, when the main bottleneck that has slowed them down years is the first stage engine? Do you predict they have even more protracted problems with the second stage than with the BE-4 engine?

The NG second stage is supposed to be expended, and use fewer and less advanced engines, hence being the cheap part. They should in theory be able to test second stages without needing to expend the first stage on each test.

>>15416215
Well whatever he thinks of, he's acting with his new rocket plan because he knows he has no answer to it.

>>15416215
Rocket Lab are producing missle tech with a side business in launches, they just want the good PR of space instead of the bad PR of MIC.

>>15416221
>Why do you say the second stage is the harder problem
Because it is, you need insane payload mass fractions on upper stages.
>when the main bottleneck that has slowed them down years is the first stage engine
Their shitty engine doesn't make first stages harder.
>Do you predict they have even more protracted problems with the second stage than with the BE-4 engine?
No but not becuase first stage engines are generally harder but because their first stage engine is shit.
>hence being the cheap part.
Yet just like SpaceX I'm sure they won't release any numbers while insisting the second stage development, tooling and production costs are low.
There is a reason the first reuseable LV (Shuttle) focused on reusing the upper stage.

>>15416169
oh no no no no
hullobros, its over

>>15416206
>yet SpaceX started with the Falcon 1 which was obsolete before it's first flight.
SpaceX had very limited cash and needed to do something to prove themselves ASAP to secure the NASA CRS contract.

>>15416233
>Rocket Lab are producing missle tech
lol. not in the slightest. they havent even had a launch of their hypersonic testbed

>>15416233
How is BO's first stage engine shit?

>>15416236
>inb4 missiles are using rocketlab computer, radios, reaction wheels and solar panels

>>15416235
True, they also understood that no matter what you are trying to do doing it is the best way to get better.

>>15416236
They aren't selling full missles yet but they are already providing stage seperators for missiles.

>>15416242
>12 years of development
Where are the engines Jeff.

>>15415879
FTL travel/communication

>>15416242
>How is BO's first stage engine shit?
It doesn't exist

Once we claim parts of Mars, we'll divvy it up as BLM land, National Parks, dispersed camping areas, and such right

>>15416177
>>15416199
If we get lots of antimatter can we just skip straight to beam core?

>>15416260
no it'll be a giant mine, like australia but even more inhospitable

>>15416233
>Because it is, you need insane payload mass fractions on upper stages.
Yet is it not the engine, rather than the structures, that's been the main development bottleneck for BO...?

>There is a reason the first reuseable LV (Shuttle) focused on reusing the upper stage.
Yet reusing the upper stage is really bad for the payload mass fraction which you just presented as the main challenge with upper stages

Also, I don't think Shuttle design decisions should be considered proof of what is the best way to save money

>while insisting the second stage development, tooling and production costs are low.
The structural requirements might be more stringent for the second stage however it'll use just two BE-3U engines versus 7 BE-4 engines for the first stage. SpaceX only uses one engine for the second stage versus nine for the first stage. Also, the tanks are smaller. Is it not very likely that the second stage is far cheaper for that reason?

hq https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDTkgUA61Ug

>>15416272
love a low budget janky engine test me

>>15416272
>carbon-neutral, bio-derived
NG
>solid fuel
MI

>>15416199
That talk was a joke. The number of processing to get to a stable storage version of antimatter would just be too inefficient. Beginning of the talk he says a 10kg probe needs 17g of antimatter. Then later on says production could be around 10g a year. That's the joke. Great for research, but not practical. Then towards the end he is talking of using solar power on Earth to make antimatter. Come on. I laughed.

>>15416252
BO is testing their engine though

>>15416257
>>15416252
So the BE-4 won't be shit as soon as it does exist?

I fail to see how "BE-4 is shit because it doesn't exist" has any bearing on how advanced it is, how much R&D it requires, how expensive it will be to produce if/when it does exist, or how well BO is doing the R&D relative to what is reasonable.

desu all these seem like rather nonsensical and nonsequitur replies where the goal is just to shit on BO and Bezos rather than to honestly discuss why BO chose to do what they did and why BO is so slow.

>>15415456
4ASS Board Meetings

>>15415460
Eventually all of them except Electron and Vulcan.

>>15416278
>>15416272
>suborbital vehicle
>payloads into space for 5-8 minutes of zero gravity
D
O
A

>>15416282
kek

>>15416281
>BO is testing their engine though
To clarify, this was meant as a reply to
>no matter what you are trying to do doing it is the best way to get better.

>>15415760
If SpaceX actually followed the regulations the tanks would be horizontal and they wouldn't have to fix this shit.

>>15416282
True

>>15416266
>Yet is it not the engine, rather than the structures, that's been the main development bottleneck for BO...?
For fucks sake anon, what aren't you getting here? If I try to build a house but decide to use transparent aluminium for the windows and 10 years later I have a house with no windows does that mean windows are the hardest part of building a house?

>Yet reusing the upper stage is really bad for the payload mass fraction which you just presented as the main challenge with upper stages
The need for payload mass fraction makes upper stages very expensive, if you decease the mass fraction but make it reuseable you offset the cost, see X-37.

>Also, I don't think Shuttle design decisions should be considered proof of what is the best way to save money
They had the right idea and then the airfoce came along with a shitload of requirements.

>Is it not very likely that the second stage is far cheaper for that reason?
Depends how much ground support / manufacturing cost there is, the Centaur costs a fuckload due to the tank design.

>>15416281
>So the BE-4 won't be shit as soon as it does exist?
Depends if it's good enough to justify it's development time.

The only world with interstellar spaceflight is Ayn Rand's world

>>15416298
she was a train autist tho

>>15416292
>If I try to build a house but decide to use transparent aluminium for the windows and 10 years later I have a house with no windows does that mean windows are the hardest part of building a house?
Supposing you've faced heavy delays with trying to make the windows, despite investing heavy resources into it, and didn't get stuck on other parts, then it does indeed seem likely that the windows are the hardest part of bulding a house with transparent aluminium windows. BO isn't just trying to design a rocket, they're trying to design an especially advanced rocket.

>X-37
I'm pretty sure the X-37 is for the ability to recover the payload, much like a space capsule. No one uses this method commercially. Also, doesn't the X-37 still require the launcher to have a second stage, because it doesn't have much dV?

>They had the right idea and then the airfoce came along with a shitload of requirements.
Wasn't the original Shuttle idea to have both stages reusable though?

>Depends if it's good enough to justify it's development time.
Is it not a pretty advanced type of engine on paper?

>the Centaur costs a fuckload due to the tank design
It makes sense to invest a lot into the second stage relative to how much you invest in the first stage when both stages are expendable. However, when the first stage is recovered while the second stage is expended, it makes less sense to invest as much into the first stage, it makes more sense to focus on the first stage because those investments can be spread out over several launches. It especially makes sense to focus on easy reusability and engine life, and I believe this is what BO has tried to do with the BE-4.

Also, just like the Shuttle, I don't think ULA design decisions can be considered good proof of how to save money.

URANUS COLONIZERS… it has BEGUN. I am THROUGH with being mocked for wanting to colonize Umbriel. STARSHIP FIXES THE ENTIRE FIELD OF PROBERY!! WE GAAN!!

>>15415663

>>15416315
According to Nasa, water can be found anywhere

>>15416315
NO MORE of you stupid little GNATS saying that Uranus is a worthless planet. GO BACK TO MERCURY!!

>>15415663

>Today is the day that Vulcan was supposed to launch before that Centaur test accident

WEN LAUNCH TONY

>>15416315
>4 may
>may 4
heh lol

>>15416280
> 10kg probe
It would be an interstellar probe, that is a substantial payload compared to any other proposal that doesn't require hundreds of tons of nuclear fuel like Project Longshot.
>Then towards the end he is talking of using solar power on Earth to make antimatter.
Yes because only a small amount is required and it's the cheapest supply of energy, if there was enough demand it would warrant building factories near the Sun where it could be produced at a much higher scale. Muh trillions of dollars per gram is not an accurate assessment.

Anyone who talks about interstellar travel in this century even if just robotic should be lambasted and shamed

>>15416331
CHEMICAL INTERSTELLAR ROCKETRY

>>15416331
typical e*rther

>Happy Star Wars Day. May the 4th be with you!

>>15416336
i don't get it

>>15416331
>should be lambasted and shamed
You won't do shit, pussy. There are interstellar projects that are entirely feasible to complete within this century at a reasonable cost, like Breakthrough Starshot.

>>15416336
actually, in europe we say "4th the may be with you"! It's the correct way to say it after all

U CAN'T SPACE FLIGHT UNTIL U DEAFEAT THE LICH - U'RE SENDING DEAD BODIES OUT INTO SPACE AND THEY STINK.

>>15416335
I hate this planet, I dream of Mars alone. I hope for a trip to Callisto some day, but I’m not a dumb fuck that thinks wasting money on interstellar travel is at all smart before we’ve even left this planet, let alone gotten to the Kuiper Belt (which btw won’t happen this century).

>>15416338
>Breakthrough Starshot
Show nose Avi

>>15416331
But we already started doing it last century--no, last millennium actually.

>>15416247
I wonder how much opportunity there is to disrupt the traditional military industrial complex companies manufacturing missiles etc as there was in the launch industry
might be a lot of wasted money there

>>15416346
Not an argument, even NASA is considering a laser-pushed lightsail interstellar mission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2069_Alpha_Centauri_mission

If all alien truthers dropped dead, how much would the world average IQ increase?

How many new Chinese orbital launch companies are there now? I've lost track after counting at least 11 that aren't CASC/CASIC subsidiares and have some kind of hardware to show

>>15416355
MARS IS ALIVE

>>15416341

MAYBE YOU SHOULD STAY HERE

>>15416356
>at least 11 that aren't CASC/CASIC subsidiares and have some kind of hardware to show
X to doubt

>>15416356
How do those things get funded, anyways.
In US it's blue-eyed investors high on Musk's musk and space biz opportunity hype, but China?

>>15416281
being slow is equivalent to being shit at some point

>>15416355
aliens exist but they have to deal with the same shitty physics and resource constraint driven politics we do.

>>15416345
>average globohomo enjoyer
You are never ever leaving this plane alive. The earth is flat with a dome. The only place you will be jetting through the galaxy in your spaceshit is in your imagination, or CGI.

>>15416373
I hate midwits that talk about sentient aliens like ANYONE would know LITERALLY ANYTHING about them IF they even EXIST. GB2R

>>15416367
They're literally all launching ICBMs except for like two companies.
Obviously all government subsidized.
Nigger is making shit up

The same laser array used for interstellar missions can also serve laser thermal missions.

>>15416361
1. Landspace (launches attempted)
2. CAS Space (launched to orbit)
3. Galactic Energy (launched to orbit)
4. i-Space aka Interstellar Glory (launched to orbit)
5. Orienspace (they have a factory and will launch in Q3)
6. Space Pioneer aka Tianbing (launched to orbit)
7. Deep Blue Aerospace (they have a hopper and engine)
8. Rocket Pi (they launched a suborbital payload on someone else's rocket, now wants to develop their own rocket with engines from JZYJ, have raised tens of millions of dollars)
9. Space Epoch (they did some tank test with engines from JZYJ)
10. Linkspace (they have a hopper and engine)
11. OneSpace (they have launched various sounding rockets and intend to go further)

It's getting a bit ridiculous at this point

>>15416378
if sentient like occurred in 1 in 10000 galaxies even if at roughly the same time we would never know. its all pure speculation outside of everything having to deal with the universes physics which makes even getting to the next star incredibly difficult.

The madman...

>>15416380
>goodfellas_popsci_mindmush.jpg

>>15416393
Nothing about that concept should count as science fiction and your forced meme is garbage

>>15416392
>inb4 some retard newfag replies actually believing it

>>15416392
doomerbros we are back in business

>>15416392
expendable planets

>>15416392
I believe this

>>15416392
Cmon, that should be 69 quote tweets

>>15416392
source?

>>15416408
i made it up

>>15416379
Being subsidized by the government isn't the same as being subsidiaries of CASC/CASIC

Many of them are going for solid rockets just as a first step to prove themselves, I think 10 of those 11 plan liquid rockets, more than half of them are developing their own liquid engines for at least one stage

IIRC Blaine Curcio of Dongfang Hour claimed that investors in these kinds of companies are about 1/3 central government-run investment funds, 1/3 provincial government-run investment funds, and 1/3 private investors, though I can't remember when or where he claimed that

>>15416392
Why don't they just leave the foundation out?

>>15416419
super heavy chan is getting an upskirt shower and i for one cannot wait for the drawfag takes

>>15416422
Oh gods

S29s nosecone is getting stacked… bros it’s all going so fast

>>15416429
not fast enough

24 yous, and I only had to make a single post - I propose a toast, to myself and my wealth

>>15416233
>>15416247
Liquid rockets are not viable as ICBMs
>>15416350
Impossible since the companies making that shit are practically a branch of the government in and of themselves, breaking into the military with new shit is almost impossible and not worth the money.

>>15416436
Here here!

>>15416438
lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-25C_Titan_II

>>15416438
>Liquid rockets are not viable as ICBMs
Correct.
[spoiler]Puccia's silo-launched ICBMs are liquid-fueled[/why no spoiler tags on sci]

>>15416449
>1962
the north koreans developing a solid icbm was such a big deal for a reason. shuttle had solid boosters for a reason. you want solids for weapons.

>>15416449
[drops wrench]

>>15416373
Aliens don't exist. If they did exist we'd have seen them already.

>>15416475
explain your reasoning

Prepare for vaguely space related kino https://youtu.be/9FXCSXuGTF4

>>15416466
That reason is because they're going to sit around for 50 years and never get used, the hypergolics at the time had issues with maintenance and safety that didn't warrant the extra performance. They could easily make an ICBM that uses non-toxic non-corrosive storables but it's such a low priority.

>>15416483
4ass meets the grand budapest hotel

>>15415444
>Electron
>Reusable
To date they have not reflown a single fucking gram of a rocket.

>>15416483
insufferable

>>15416490
I heard they decided to just ditch it in the ocean and try to waterproof it
I feel like there was a reason why people never really considered that on option, but I forgor

>>15416501
Sea water is a fucking bitch no matter what you make your rocket out.

>>15416501
A kraken could eat it

>>15416242
it's twice the size of a Raptor with comperable thrust and worse isp

>>15416478
They would have to have reached our level of development at an unreasonably similar time to us in order for us to not see them.
If they were even slightly earlier than us then we'd see them. And how large "slightly earlier" is scales with the volume of space you're looking at. For the entire Milky Way it's ~100k years. For the Andromeda galaxy it's ~3m years. For the local group it's ~11m years. For the local supercluster it's ~70m years. For our supercluster complex it's ~1b years. Any life that was around before those times would've already expanded enough for us to be able to see them. And there's more than enough wiggle room in the geologic and evolutionary time scales for a planet to develop and bear life and for that life to become advanced and still be well before any of those times.
I suppose there is the possibility that alien life does exist but it's so exceedingly rare that the nearest is still >10b years away and functionally meaningless to us for a very long time.
I should also note that if you believe FTL travel exists then you have to believe that aliens do not exist at all and that we are completely alone in the universe.

https://spaceref.com/newspace-and-tech/bipartisan-house-bill-to-create-space-national-guard/

lmao what the hell would the 4ASS militia look like

>>15416468
>puncture the missile by dropping a wrench 80 feet
>everyone safely evacuates
>someone decides to go back in to turn on a fan
>the fan arcs, ignites the fuel, and destroys the whole silo

Get this, the missile in that silo was the one from an earlier incident where some retard cut a hydraulics line with an oxyacetylene torch and killed 53 men. They refurbished it and put it back into service.

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>>15416527
>Any life that was around before those times would've already expanded enough for us to be able to see them
or never evolved enough to even begin to contemplate radio transmission, or got filtered before that point. when i say aliens i mean multicellular life not ebin advanced grays.

>>15416315
>>15416318
>all CGI
They are laughing at you losers

it's up
https://twitter.com/starlink
https://twitter.com/starlink
https://twitter.com/starlink

>>15416553
You can really tell when someone writing a headline about Uranus is having a giggle.

>>15416346
Loeb doesnt have shit to do with Starshot

>>15416535
from what i've seen, nobody in the space force wants a space national guard. the only reason it keeps trying to happen is because congresscritters will get more votes from their constituents. instead the space force wants more reservists and civilian/government workers.

>>15416556
>€300 FOR HARDWARE
kuiper is already over

>>15416556
https://twitter.com/Starlink/status/1654215708140802048

Idgaf if aliens exist. i want dippin dots

>>15415544
>Total Starlinks launched: 4340, with 4023 still in orbit
sugoi...

How long until Starlink becomes affordable? 2 years?

>>15416563
>>15416336

>>15416566
It's not getting cheaper kek unless ISPs step it up
>>15416559
>Harvard Professor Avi Loeb chairs the advisory board for the project.

>>15416558

>>15416483
the citizen kane of science fiction films?

>>15416570
Its about as expensive here for a fiber install plus sub at lowest rated speeds compared to Starlink, but the advantages of Starlink is pretty nice - well the fact you dont automatically get roaming + roaming on sea in one package isnt great

>>15416551
Well if we're just talking about any life whatsoever then I suppose it's impossible to know. If it turns out that the great filter is somewhere between life existing and life becoming advanced then there could be tons of planets with life but still only one with advanced life. Hell, it could even be that aliens actually develop to sapience and civilization but get technologically stuck at some point before inventing science. There could be countless planets with their own alien Roman Empires or fractured feudal lords or Babylons that are all just perpetually stuck in that state.

>>15416566
its an equal price to adsl in the 90s/00s. a blessed time where all the seabed cables get fucked and only people willing to pay £75/month get internet

>>15416570
news to me. i am at best dismayed

https://youtu.be/U1aKdoz4dSs
CUTIE ALERT CUTIE ALERT

>>15415444
New Glenn is aesthetically the most pleasing. It looks like a proper rocket. Terran R is alright too.

>>15416587
absolutely no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaTanAXfSfA

>>15416590
I like all of then, except Vulcan and voldemort

>>15416590
Youre going to be very disappointed with the final product....

>>15416587
are you serious bro
look at that nose man

>>15416587
That is literally a man. Anyone who says otherwise is a homosexual.

>>15416599
Look at that nose? Look at that fucking jaw. What a mannish face, can’t even cover the big things up after transitioning.

>>15416593
WATCH OUT! In 2 years

>>15416593
OH NO! It's a water tower!

>>15416593
i hate grifters so much

>>15416604
>2 years
SpaceX would have been catching their Starships for a while by then. Starships are produced cheaper, can lift more, cost less per kg, have infrastructure to go to the moon, and did I mention fully reusable first and second stage? BO is just pathetic

>>15416603
I dont think so buddy

>>15416608
are you talking about BO or NSF?

>>15416615
either

>>15416612
That’s even worse, you’re not helping your case here

>new glenn has an insulation coating
hahahahahha

>>15416617
God this brat needs taming

>>15416621

>new glenn may actually launch this year
what the fuck

>>15416637
Starship doomers getting BTFO on end of year predictions has tainted your mind. BO is not SX. New Glenn will not launch this year and you know it

>>15416637
bezos is based and that fact makes sfg seethe

>>15416643
That's not how you spell "bald"

new glenn
wait for it
has a insulation coating
and seriously
an entire factory for applying it
>i bet it's orange

>>15416643
>sfg not /sfg/

>>15416643
bezos doesnt give a shit about BO or space or anything much it seems
he is mostly partying with the goblin and floating around on the superyacht

didnt this dude have a massive hobo beard before?

>>15416659
>make video
>check out sfg
>they're making fun of you
>shave beard

>>15416665
>sfg again
Refer to this >>15416656 post

>>15416659
looks like this guy no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-MIzTDo79M

>>15416667
the grand wizard of rocketry

>>15416670
I like the hobo beard prisoner look better.

>>15416652
>i bet it's orange
Cherry red or midnight blue.

>>15416652
i think we already saw it didnt we? they painted it white so you may be correct. orange rocket lives.

sfg

>>15416686
Middle F stands for Felon's

/sfg/ = blue origin tier
sfg = spacex tier

>>15416686
shitpost ferociter general

>>15416587
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4KH1Jw6HBI

this is a better space waifu

>>15416693
>>15416695
Based

fuck you Eisenhower
you stopped us from having orbital nuke platforms early on

>>15416696
>square jaw
that's a dude aint it

>>15416704
Square jaws are not fueled by testosterone. If you want strong jawed sons, a strong jawed mother improves their chances.

>>15416696
small face on a big head
why do all humans look weird

>>15416699
War hawk chud BTFO

>>15415535
What does this mean?

>>15416670
Captured by SeX mashallah

>>15416696
she's kinda fat tho isnt she? dont like her voice

>>15416666
checked and correct

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1654235943514013697

> Falcon Heavy long exposure looks like 3 laser beams from space

>>15416734
Glassing the launchpad
Aka caramelizing the launch pad
Aka sugarcoating

>>15416704
your brain has been turned into soup

>>15415456
Retards dreaming about Mars.

>>15416747
Failure to follow instructions
$300 penalty

>>15416734
>martian star cruiser destroying an earther spaceport with it's tri-beam cannon. 2123. colorized.

>>15415456
Fags fellating Musk

>>15416741
Dump some sugar on the cold plate and sell the product after launch. Rocket candy, if you will.

>>15416747
I see the phrase "less than four words" might mean something different in Earther dialect.

>>15416535
It would be Quantized Inertia flying saucers banged together out of sheet metal with some 10W lasers attached to the outside and door gunner seats for guys with high velocity rifles or gyrojets.

I cannot contain my autism for this thing. Just send me my fucking torch already I NEED IT

>>15416593
closed the video as soon as they started shilling globes

>>15416775
Globes of which celestial bodies? Also what’s another way to refer to planets, moons, dwarf planets, stars, galaxies etc all in one word/phrase? The best I can think of is celestial body

>>15416767
I'VE GOT TO CONSOOOOOM

So… did cost plus content anon just like, die?

>>15416781
Funding my favorite spacelaunch company along with betting on resale prices (see Boring Company Not A Flamethrower), all while getting a cool item that actually has function? I’ll consoom to that

>>15416787
Who

Typical iToddler consoomer

>>15416747
Dream on Mars man

MAY THE 4TH BE WITH YOU

>>15416798
You’re literally the only one who seethes about apple users
>>>/g/ this board might be more your speed