/sci/ - Science & Math

total beetle death

>two glenn

Third for total grifter and ngo death.

>who glenn

new glenn will never fly

>>15413013
You’re not even third dumb tranny

I love Elon's laugh, he's cute

>>15413005
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1653418134068662272
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1653509582046769156
How did ViaSat-3 get all the kino shots

>>15413020
Faggot

>>15413026
cute like a pet

>>15413026
no need for slurs

>>15413020
I agree

>>15413031
I’m trans btw, please use my xe/xir pronouns

>>15413034
>15 posts
>thread derailed

>>15413037
13 posts*

>>15413017
Go back to your hugbox, derailing NSFaggot: it's clear you are one because you aren't using the expression correctly.
Cannot wait until I never have to see one of your REPULSIVE newscasters again. Common shysters shilling on historical footage is so disgusting and disrespectful- it appears the outside is the same as the inside for NSF trash- shameless visibly filthy shekel grabbers.
SHAVE THAT BEARD OFF!

>>15413042

>>15413042
He works for SpaceX now.

>>15413055
Really? Good for him.

>>15413011
bezos isn't a person

>>15413023
>The upper stage being 110tons wet and 4tons dry does let it throw some very heavy payloads to high energy orbits beyond what you'd expect a gas generator kerolox to be able to do.
Yeah F9 S2 actually outperforms Centaur III with any real payload because it's so much more massive. Centaur V with a 5t payload has roughly about the same dV as Starship with a 100t payload from what I can tell.

Doomer sisters… do we ever recover?

>>15413072
It's over its over bros

>>15413072
Apparantly we’re coping like this now, remember to suck off CSI Sneedsfeed before continuing your cope!

>>15413055
I thought that was Gebhardt?

>>15413078
>he really thinks a g*mean would be hired by SpaceX

>>15413024
The staging shot was unique because an F9 or even a boosters recovered Heavy stages at lower altitude, so you get either daylight or full occulting. The fairings were unique for the same reason, higher speed at jettison meant faster reentry v0.

>>15413079
g*rmans get the airlock

>>15413077
Just tie it with rope

>>15413083
Life hack that OSHA doesn’t want you to know, just tie a rope around anything unsteady and presto perfecto.

>>15413090
This also includes unstable trannies.
>ACK

>>15413091
Why are you like this

>>15413076
>wikipedia discussions
It will lead to nothing as wiki mods have nothing besides their purified leftist hatecope against elon, without exception. If Starship OFT-1 endowed SpaceX with literally all the data they need to hit orbit with OFT-2 and onwards the modtoons at wikisneedia would still impotently label it a failure, unable to comprehend the idea of a test flight through anything but the detestable 'everything must go perfectly the first time' oldspace mentality.

>>15413091
>retard literally can't go two minutes without thinking about trannies

>>15413094
>>15413076
It was a failure
Cope

>>15413098
an article a day keeps the truth at bay
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhemao_hoaxes

>>15413105
Oh my, what’s this now?

>>15413105
>lonely femcel embarrasses Wikimedia by treating it like her personal fanfiction blog, using poorly translated Ivan websites as base material
jej that's amazing, and obvious subtext is very true.
Hopefully this happens again, would be funny if the Xongs claim musk was one of theirs all along, or something more elaborate.

>>15412309
How much would change about constructing a Stanford Torus in the near future?
>>15413105
Oh fuck not again.

Chinasisters how do we recover? Will ripping off more US products and rockets help?

>>15413130
Yes, but do it faster

>>15413124
People figured out that beamed solar down to Earth's surface is ass from GEO/Molnya, let alone L5, so the original justification for the L5 torus is gone. The biggest reason to offload factories and datacenters to orbit is to preserve Earth's thermodynamic balance, radiating industrial waste heat into vacuum, and to avoid concentrations of computers that make the planet heavier through sheer information density. Humanity has already added over 1kg of mass to the planet via computation, not much compared to expended rocket stages so far, but it's effectively an unbounded exponential curve.

>>15413124
But Scots IS just English with an accent

>>15413142
Humanity has already added over 1kg of mass to the planet via computation, not much compared to expended rocket stages so far, but it's effectively an unbounded exponential curve

Take your meds

>>15413142
What about as habitation for people working in zero-g manufacturing? Have two counterrotating torus habitats with a zero-g section that connects to them in the middle.
Or just as a home or resort for rich people, depending on how much the cost of constructing one could be brought down.

>>15413124
What do you mean? The study assumed a hravy lift (120 tons) and a reusable space tug to get stuff from LEO to L5
The torus was also deemed optimal

>Several alternatives were considered. The Torus ultimately wins because it uses far less structural mass and atmosphere than a cylinder or sphere to provide 1G at 1RPM, and offers better vistas and lines-of-sight than dumbbells or beads.
12/

https://twitter.com/granawkins/status/1653224066403426305

>>15413142
>make the planet heavier through sheer information density.

>>15413147
That's a circular argument without a pressing need to get the industry off of Earth in the first place. Lunar L5 isn't exactly on the way to Mars so you need a reason to build stuff at Lunar L5 to justify big habs.

>>15413150
Information has mass.

>>15413149
I mean how would stuff like Starship and modern construction methods alter the building of a Stanford Torus. It's sill to assume that that paper is still perfectly applicable as-is in the modern day.
>>15413151
>That's a circular argument without a pressing need to get the industry off of Earth in the first place.
Zero-g manufacturing by necessity requires being off-Earth.
>Lunar L5 isn't exactly on the way to Mars so you need a reason to build stuff at Lunar L5 to justify big habs.
Just don't put it in L5. Put it in medium Earth orbit instead.

now that the soifucks like csi and hullo are btfo, are we really going to see starship launch in 2 months?

>>15413154
MEO and GEO are in the Van Allen belts. L5 was chosen for its radiation profile, constant sunlight, and low stationkeeping costs.

>>15413157
it's already been a week and a half, so 4.5-6.5 weeks away now

>>15413147
It was assumed to be 200 billion and take 20-25 years in the study

>>15413154
What's the delta-v situation for station based industry as opposed to working on the moon? I guess zero G might be useful

>>15413157
Approximately two weeks time if my calculations are correct

>>15413165
Earth's Lagrange points are all cheap to get to... but there's no aerobraking or ISRU on arrival so cheap transfers will be slow to keep braking budgets low. It took JWST over a month to reach solar L2 because it had to brake with onboard thrusters instead of the hydrolox sustainer and upper stage of the Ariane 5.

>>15413177
Also unless you need zero-g better to set up a manufacturing plant where the resources are an export finished goods instead of sending it all to a cuckbase in free space.

>>15413149
>The torus was also deemed optimal
>offers better vistas and lines-of-sight than dumbbells or beads.
So not optimal in any practical sense which is the point of building a structure that would produce 1 G at that RPM. Shapes like the dumbbell would be lower in mass and far easier to build.

>>15413157
3 (three) more launches in 2023

>>15413181
t. bugman
Having lines of sight from your home helps people feel like they aren't rats trapped in cages.

>>15413193
Dumbbell has lines of sight out the windows across space

>>15413042
Thanks for saying what we're all thinking

>>15413091
??

>>15413193
>rats trapped in cages
I will cry into the pile of money I saved by not going with a torus and look out my window over to the other side of the weight.

It's that easy in spinatry

im so hungry

>>15413226
make some bread

>>15413231
now that's an idea

>>15413154
>I mean how would stuff like Starship and modern construction methods alter the building of a Stanford Torus.
Not much. The whole 70s space colonies idea was predicated on the shittle and vehicles derived from it being the cheap, frequent, reliable and safe launcher that NASA was touting it as - '$50/kg to LEO and flights every week!'

>>15413245
These promises failed every economic analysis thrown at it, and it's no surprise that the margin of failure was so large as the flight rate dwindled ever closer to nill after Challenger and then Columbia.

>>15413157
For that to happen wouldn't they have to start testing spin primes and doing static fires in two weeks?

>>15413365
right on the money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OippVgnh3c0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXviBBX9bUc

tl:dw late 2024, however realistically 2025
I'm kind of having doubts that it will ever fly

>>15413392
> How Close Is Blue Origin's New Glenn To A Maiden Flight?

china's starlink, the guowang constellation, has begun testing
https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1653631655721201667

>>15413419
China mogging bezos lmao

>>15413419
I hope they got the FCC approval for those EM bands!!!

>>15413435
LOL

>>15413437
It's not a joke. FCC has jurisdiction over the entire planet.

>>15413442
Ww3 inc

Earlier there was a segment with a SpaceX board member Antonio Gragias and investor in this podcast. I think it is interesting to know what
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvTTDxMuAis
The board member, who is no doomer, said "at least two or three months to get the pad rebuilt and get another vehicle back on for testing, maybe longer."

>>15413447
yeah it was interesting

>>15413447
>maybe longer
doomerbros, we're back

ESA astronaut news conference live. lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3DsOhfeJ4I

>>15413471
reminder that NASA knows how to easily fix this but they refuse too

>>15413076
>>15413094
Sometimes I wonder whether these people completely lack self-awareness or if it's all just a big joke that I'm not in.

>>15413062

This kills the musktard.

>>15413024
can someone webm pls?

>>15413513
>right above the engines
The audience is now deaf.

>>15413024
>Fiery Mach 15 re-entry
wtf I thought re-entry was only an issue when coming from orbital velocities

>>15413076
if you think that flight could be considered a success, you are out of your mind
test article failing is fine as an outcome

>>15413527
>all that work for a 30 second flyby
The 70s really were a different time

>>15413539
Go slam your face into airstream moving at mach 3.
That's enough to melt most metals.

>>15413546
yeah the launch failed to achieve all of the stated goals, so it was a failed launch but still useful for data etc
getting data doesn't really mean that the launch itself was a success though, it just means that not all failures are useless and with SpaceX iterative methods, probably all failures are more or less useful from a data standpoint and this is especially true during protype testing
but perhaps the larger point and why people care about that in the first place is that normies will use the wikipedia article to argue for or against something

>>15413549
Morelike 30 hours to transit a system but yeah, its wasteful. These days you'd want an electromagnetic brake to slow down and get captured by the target star.

>>15413563
Failure is a failure.
Every experimental rocket launch that blew up is listed as a failure on wikipedia.
Musktards are the worst of autists.

Who's your favorite Mars rover?

>>15413568
but a failure is not a failure, many ways it could have failed
exploding on the launchpad vs getting to where it did go is very different, from a data standpoint and how long it will take to launch the next one
technically if it got to orbit, didn't damage the launchpad at all and then just happened to burn up in re-entry due to some software issue (not tile-issue), then that would be a failure too
but all of these 3 scenarios are very different, all still "failures"
even just changing the mission profile would change it from a success to a failure, lets say the mission was to leave the launchpad
and now its a success
lol

>>15413549
We used to have so much ambition and optimism.

>>15413584
>noooo!!!! The rocket was meant to explooode!!!
Kek. Are you telling me that after more than 60 years of rocketry, you can't even lift a booster to LEO?

>>15413546
Aren't the first Falcon 1 flights listed as failures? I don't see much difference.

>>15413569
what fresh hell is this

>>15413568
Every N1 launch is listed as a failure too even though with each launch they learned a ton and improved the next version.
Or they could also revise their policy and call every test flight that clears the pad a partial success. Then again that would make the four-inch flight a partial success. You could also use the expectations of the launchers as a measure, but that record is also not very uniform.

>>15413584
Holy fuck, develop self-awareness and listen to yourself.

>>15413563
>Pic related: Outcome - SUCCESS

>>15413604
>they could also revise their policy and call every test flight that clears the pad a partial success.
There is nothing to revise, wikipedia already does more detailed launch stat listings for operationals rockets that have flown enough to warrant such lists.

This is just a bunch of autistic musktards screeching about the starship page main infobox stats which will, in all likelihood, be split into a future article about starship prototype test flights, with the operational starships having a "cleaner" record which won't break fragile musktard egos and offend their god.
If they weren't in such a fucking hurry to wikify their epic moment this wouldn't even be a problem for anyone in the first place.

It's all so tiresome.

what kind of tranny invasion just happened? what the fuck

>>15413584
>successes
1) it cleared the pad
>failures
1) it REALLY cleared the pad
2) it lost several engines
3) it lost control
4) it didn't stage
5) it didn't make it to space
6) it failed to provide any data on reentry and TPS
7) it didn't make it to Hawaii after suborbital flight
8) it fucking exploded

>just changing the mission profile would change it from a success to a failure, lets say the mission was to leave the launchpad
yeah, and Apollo 1 would have been a success if the they changed the mission profile
dumbass

>>15413600
Rover rule 34 when

More awareness about wikitroon mods is fundamentally a good thing even if the musktards are wrong in this one case

>>15413222
What would happen if you just spun one of them? Or had one long spinning rocket?

>>15413628
> yeah, and Apollo 1 would have been a success if the they changed the mission profile
yes, the point is to show the binary classification of failure or success is uninformative and perhaps misleading

>>15413628
9) it took forty fucking seconds to explode after FTS, as seen by the visible venting during the flips

>>15413631
wrong how?
it was a partial success and simultaneously a partial failure, its not a binary outcome as it was a test flight
if they had a payload that needed to be inserted into a certain orbit and they didnt, then that would be a clear failure
if there were secondary payloads and the primary one got delivered to the correct orbit and secondary ones didnt, then it would again be a partial success/failure and this is shown when you look a t the list of falcon 9 launches

>>15413624
airlock yourself tranny

>>15413643
- 0 x nomimal success
- 2 x partial success
- 12 x complete failure
- infinite x cope

>>15413645
thats better

>>15413646
to add to this, makes it easier to compare different test flights as I would imagine many will be only partial successes

>>15413644
No u

>>15413631
This is the most important point to fixate on. There are countless other websites - displaying wikipedia's WRECK of a malicious and stupid internal system - that are auto wordfiltered by the 4cuck jannies, yet even with this censorship it is blindingly apparent that there is bias against the baddie of the week.
Wikipedia, a supposedly authoritative and objective information collection, is uninformative and misleading, using fucking whitelisted lying news sites as sources, therefore the best thing to do is just gather consensus from the spacex team and footage to present answers saved on txt files when asked, then ignore and report derailing ban evaders who use dishonest argumentation. That is all that can really be done.

>>15413646
Indeed, there's no way to pin that as anything else than a failure on a binary success/failure counter.

Fuck me. When did /sci/ become infested with reddit musktards? Fucking autists can't stand any criticism.

Ignore tourist bait

>>15413659
wrong, you see that green color?
if it was completely red, it would be a complete failure

>>15413662
Been like that for a long time. I thought they were being ironic.

>reddit musktards
oxymoronic

r/enoughmuskspam trannies and CSS/thunderfoot watchers get the fuck out

>>15413008
fpbp

>>15413667
That's where you'll find most of 'em. The subs serve as a massive echo chamber where musktards circlejerk about spacex and scams.

>>15413664
wrong, you see that red color?
if it was completely green, it would be a complete success

>>15413676
who said it was a complete success?
the point is that it makes no sense to evaluate test flights like these on a simple binary scale

The test flight was a partial/majority failure either by conventional metrics or even if you just take it individually, but in the broader scope of the starship program itself it will be rightfully looked back on as a success (pending if Starship itself eventually becomes a success)

>>15413695
this whole conversation is retarded
there was no mission, it can't be either a success or a failure. It's just a test like all the other tests.

>>15413076
This kills the musk fanboy.

>>15413704
Musk 1 here, partial failure. Goal 1 was to get off the pad, that was a success, all the aspirational goals ended up as failures. You should know that it is possible to 'fail upwards' as they say, have enough failures and you'll probably get a success eventually.

>>15413699
I mostly agree, the level of autistic re-framing on the wiki discussion page and on some comment sections is beyond even my autism and I'm pretty fucking bad

the fact that they stated they wanted to do soft landings etc is where they whole failure angle comes from (rightfully), but then before the flight they stated their own internal success condition. Then you get the whole angle of this being a test and that rocket was well fucking tested and probably provided them more data than they were expecting in certain areas.. .but the heatshields weren't tested... i need to go outside

We lost him.

>>15413419
implessive...

>>15413723
The Twitter Purchase was a mistake.

>>15413726
The centrist swing is in effect now. Twitter purchase was a blessing in disguise.

You out yourself with the spacing of your posts. You've tried this thing where you attempt to bait and troll for angry (You)'s before with multiple different topics that you know nothing about: you're not actually interested in spaceflight beyond the fact that other people care about it and you can get a reaction.
All signs of mental illness and a severe lack of social interaction with actual people. /sfg/ should never be advertised ever again.

>>15413730
Why the fuck would you even care? Social media (ie. the public) is mostly retards, why waste your time engaging with their opinions on a deficient platform?

DOOMERBROS!!!!

THE REPAIRS WERE SUPPOSED TO TAKE 1+ YEARS!!! WHAT HAPPENED?

>>15413741
That's exactly what you are doing right now :)

>>15413741
Controlling the narrative/memes, control the world. The far left have lost their hold on the grip on the narrative now. It matters significantly.

We can't have a society where 60% of the population's free thought is suppressed. We can't have a society where success is seen as evil. We can't have a society where you sterelize ~20-30% of the young population in the name of protecting their feelings, on top of the already low child birth rate. We can't have mental illness be the norm.

>>15413723
Ben Garrison comics make more sense when you remove the labels.

>>15413743
I guess. But at least I'm not taking it seriously, unlike a lot people who think some twitter shenanigans is ww3.

>>15413741
because the public vote and can affect policy

>>15413742
There's no way that shoddy patchup job will be up to code. It'll collapse the minute they try to fuel up a booster.

>>15413742
its over, time to move the goalposts

>>15413751
American politics is a joke. A waste of time IG, something to keep the retard populous entertained.

Since they're gonna do the water cooled steel sandwich plate thing, wouldn't this also cool the pad concrete beneath it? That could help with the curing process.

Every time this general is advertised on /pol/, the quality of the posts decrease. Tourists should fuck off.

>>15413757
American politics is world politics. Its what controls the direction of the [current thing]. Its certainly not a joke for the receiving end of the American politics, aka anyone thats in space/tech/science are influenced by [current thing] social justice narratives. ESG is mandated by the US government

>>15413757
That's the consensus on /pol/ believe it or not. Heil victory to you too

>>15413762
Trannies and politicians can fuck around all they want, but at the end of the day nothing too dramatic ever happens. There's no point, all you faggots are doing is getting butthurt at CNN clickbait.

>>15413757
that doesnt mean its a waste of time even if its a joke and to keep retards entertained
it still affects policy even if many voters are retards

spaceflight?

>>15413753
I'm more interested in how it will handle static fire tests under the water-cooled steel plates.

>>15413759
That's not how moist curing works. It requires constant watering for days. Besides, the concrete will be cured by the time SpaceX is ready to use the pad again. And steam is not going to cool the concrete, there's just going to be condensation everywhere.

>>15413780
Wondering if there's any current new/interesting space rts/4X games on the horizon. Stellaris got bit boring after a while.

>>15413780

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg
Now there is some fucking bird mimicking camera noises. Proof of irreversible environmental damage.

>>15413780
Sorry sir this is the musk general
twitter = musk

>>15413796
It's only a matter of time until they start mimicking Rapter 2.0s and cause irreversible hearing damage to the other wildlife.

>>15413796
Kek that's a good troll. Ocassionally insert increasingly rare bird calls in the livefeed

>>15413742

>>15413624
>>15413604
The only data gained from N1 launches was working through their failure modes, which included nuking the launch pad. They didn't have real time monitoring of every part of a rocket 50 years ago.

>>15413780
>/sfg/ Spectacular Failures General

>>15413741
Twitter's soft power is invauluable.

>>15413808
That launch was the first thing that came to mind when Starship started spinning uncontrollably.

>>15413812
Can't or won't? There must be some way to sugarcoat it.

goodnight sfg

>No Man's Sky is a childrens ga-

>>15413852
all games are children's games

>>15413838
good morning sfg

>>15413024
>>15413523

>>15413865
Which flight was that? the FH one?

>>15413024
>>15413523
2

>>15413817
Well, we saw that 5 or more engiens were out aminute into the flight. But the stack was almost 40 km up and out over the ocean, so it was never going to be such a spectacular impact.

what's the current stack production rate? if they toss away the next SH/SS, and the next, and the next, how often can they launch?

>>15413124
Those mfs should be sending an spinning bed to see if is better that doing 2h of gym and still loosing muscle like a cuck.
Hell, is not a pleasure trip, the astronauts can accustom to the spinning effects, and even maybe "just" use an small spinning module for the rest rooms and save complexity and weight.

>>15413869

>>15413869
Current production rate should not be a limitation as the main limitation isn't production but rather liftoff time. So that means with liftoff bottleneck, they can slow down the pace as they dont need the active services, just like how SpaceX slowed down the Raptor production due to excess capacity atm.

>>15413879
are 26 and 27 lunar prototypes?

>>15413868
I mean I thought the Proton-M was pretty tough to survive an almost 180 flip.
Then Starship goes and spins around multiple times without structural failure. Sure it was in much thinner atmosphere but still. Being so overbuilt is promising, as it means SpaceX has good margins to work with when solving structural problems in the future.

>>15413888
No, they're basic stararship prototypes intended on being fully throwaway, reduce complexity, faster build out, cheaper, etc.

>>15413471
Aren't the EMU suits literal leftovers from the 1980's? You'd think new designs would improve on this

>>15413865
>>15413867
beautiful!

>>15413710
I read this in Cave Johnson's voice kek.
Chariots chariots

>>15413867
that's one heck of a view

>>15413889
Is it still 4mm steel? Or have they already tested 3mm?

>>15413852
-me
You forgot the rest of your statement.

>>15413077
Can't go one thread without seeing Starnig

>>15413867
Add a strap-on holder and you get an orbital drop surfboard.

blue origin with the people story https://youtu.be/4tuNPfHYMjE

>>15413742
>hurray they pushed sand back into the pit so it can just liquefy again and destabilize the oh thing again

>>15413991
>giant fairing on a Starship
wat

>>15413992
No wonder hangars are empty

>>15413992
soulless corporate playbook advertising

>>15413992
>sending astronauts to space

>>15414001
>those banners
christ its a fulfilment centre with machine tools

>>15414003
What about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQBVOQ79G2s

>>15414009
>LOOK WE HAVE A DOG PARK
>WE PARTY
>WE BUILD ROCKETS AND HAVE A BAR
it's different. It allows possible applicants to insert themselves into the scenario, seeing themselves there. The BO video makes you sympathize, and supposedly connect those emotions to the corporate "<3" of BO as a whole. Different strategies.

>>15414009
>we got some millennial who grew up on circa 2010 youtube to put some clips together in his spare time

>>15413992
Related video, as recommended by YouTube.

if new glenn ever attempts a launch their answer to john insprucker will be a celebrity line up of all your favourite scifi stars (with ad free premium content available to prime members only)

>>15413992
>>15414001
Why are they brown??? You're supposed to use the browns for manual labor.

>>15414025
it's just coincidence that three poor hispanic immigrant brothers all excelled in different but space related careers and happened to end up working in bo together where they make heart tugging videos.

>>15414025
And now you are one step closer to understanding why Blue Origin isn't putting anything to orbit.

>>15414024
It will get FTSed before staging and Elon will tweet "Welcome to the club!" at Jeff.

>>15414001
>BE-4 ASS

The signs!

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016/09/blue-origin-new-glenn-orbital-lv/

>...orbital rocket is scheduled to debut from Cape Canaveral’s SLC-36 by the end of the decade.

>>15414038
“Our mascot is the tortoise. We paint one on our vehicles after each successful flight. Our motto is ‘Gradatim Ferociter’ – step by step, ferociously. We believe ‘slow is smooth and smooth is fast,'” noted Mr. Bezos.

“In the long run, deliberate and methodical wins the day, and you do things quickest by never skipping steps. This step-by-step approach is a powerful enabler of boldness and a critical ingredient in achieving the audacious.

>>15414024
It'll be Bill Nye, Black Science Man, and Michio Kaku.

>>15414040
>Our mascot is the tortoise

>>15414038
that article could be written today and be even more hilarious in its irrelevancy.

>>15414044
It goes well with the public perception that Starbase is killing endangered turtles.

china will have a medium lift semi-reusable rocket before blue origin

>>15414050
Doubtful. NASA believes they will be ready to launch New Glenn soon.

>>15414037
I'm feeling good about my application now.

>>15414054
Imagine shitting the bed so much that NASA launches your rocket faster instead

>>15414054
nasa has to say that to avoid accusations of favoritism.

>>15414040
lol you have to actually release the product you are developing before it gets obsoleted or you are never going to release anything
reminder that BO was founded before Spacex and they still havent reached orbit
do they actually have some working prototypes and they are very secretive? or is it just fuck all, free money from bezos every year and bob smith somehow is able to bullshit bezos to keep giving them money with new projects that never come to fruition

>>15414054
source?

>>15414062
its ula 2 in a world that stopped needing ula 1 8 or so years ago.

>>15414062
it's because Bob/Bezos are too scared to do THIS sort of management:
https://youtu.be/P06X2TZUKZU?t=180
https://youtu.be/P06X2TZUKZU?t=180
https://youtu.be/P06X2TZUKZU?t=180

It's the key to Elon's success. One of many keys.

>>15414050
Honestly, china seems like the only potential competitor for spay sex

>>15414068
>the key
>One of many keys
a key*

>>15413393
They got a NPT development contract with Lockhead? I had no idea there had been one, anyone has any links to articles on that subject?

>>15414063
video posted earlier. NASA has ESCAPADE planned for BO in late 2024, ESCAPADE has to go to mars, so if it misses the launch window in 2024 it'll have to be delayed to 2026.

>>15414070
euros are out for the count, other us corps are so out of step they may as well be euros, nasa is sensibly (yet slowly, it needs to get orange rocket out of the picture) realising it can get far more done buying a ford instead of starting from scratch and building a one off car every time it wants a scientific instrument somewhere (dod also), which leaves china ripping designs but at least having the industrial capacity and prior knowledge of copying everyones homework to have a go.

>>15414077
interesting

https://spacenews.com/escapade-confident-in-planned-2024-new-glenn-launch/

India now has more people than china.
any reusable rockets in the works there?

>>15414070
I'd love to read the Chinese technical intelligence directorate evaluations of SpaceX and Blue Origin

>>15414088
Why would they even bother spying on BO, they don't have anything to steal.

>>15414091
all hail the plasma vagina

>>15413999
When your payload bay just won't cut it

>>15414083
does blue have any of that launch infrastructure built?

>>15413999
A jab at the fact that no current Starship design can deploy any kind of payload. Even the tiny pez dispensers for Starlink2 don't work.

>>15414099
> “It hasn’t launched yet and we are concerned about that,” he said during a presentation at an April 11 meeting of the Mars Exploration Program Analysis Group. “But, having seen the Blue Origin facility at Cape Canaveral, I was much less concerned after seeing all the work they’ve done. I’m confident they will likely be ready for the launch of ESCAPADE.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Canaveral_Launch_Complex_36#Blue_Origin

> By October 2015, the pad design and configuration was not yet publicly known.[6] Blue broke ground for the facility to initiate construction activity on the site in June 2016.[20]

> Although Blue has been publicly quiet about the status of the launch complex construction, high-resolution aerial photography released after Hurricane Dorian in September 2019 showed that facility foundation work is in place—including for the horizontal integration facility, the launch service structure, lightning tower, and water tower—and above-ground steel construction has commenced. The propellant tank farm is in the process of being installed.[7]

the [7] is a source from 2019, so who knows
maybe

>>15414099
As far as I know, yes. They've been renovating SLC 36 for a while now, although I haven't seen any pictures of their progress.

>>15414084
Yes
https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/isro-successfully-conducts-landing-experiment-of-the-reusable-launch-vehicle/article66690655.ece
And working on first stage propulsive landing too.

>>15414094
They'd investigate for completeness sake but the last report in the dossier is from 2018 telling them to close the file because Jeff is a dilettante faggot

Serbian space program be like:

>>15413992
Souless..SPRKM
>>15414009
SOVL

>>15414062
>do they actually have some working prototypes
The engines are pretty much done, so that's a good sign

>>15414102
>>15414101
its telling that autists and grifters haven't even bothered trying to photograph what is going on there, or even got some satellite imagery.

>>15414101
I have passed that factory at the Cape twice, and each time you could count the number of cars in the parking lot on one hand despite the size of the building being large enough to construct commercial airliners.

>>15414062
>>15414112
You mean the prototype engines they sent to ULA so ULA can test said engines is pretty much done :)

What was that Kremlin "attack" all about?

>>15414141
not space

>>15414141
>>>/pol/
>>>/k/

>>15414141
An ordinary day in Russia, they will continue waging pointless skirmishes for the next two hundred years min.

>>15414142
Not A Space Agency

>>15414142
>spaceflight
>flight

>>15414141
self check

>>15414141
give me qrd in ten words or less.

>>15414172
Tiny drone flies into flagpole atop Kremlin, goes poof.

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1653755766870884352

jannies you know what's happening clean it up

>>15414174
berger has been going off

>>15414174
oof someone do a fag packet calculation based on ariane 6 launch costs and european bureaucracy

>>15413072
the "piece of hair on the screen" graphic owned me, thank you anon

>>15414177
One day he will not be able to get a scoop because almost every space corp in the western hemisphere will have blacklisted him.

>>15414182
Let me take a big wiff of my crackpot...
Okay so I am thinking 200$xBillion

>>15414189
>the eu is proud to offer in 2060 a constellation broadband service to an already poor continent when the idea was planned and now much poorer, a broadband deal for only €60,000/month and that only works sometimes because we cancelled the launcher in 2040

>>15414198
Heh

>>15414185
That doesn't make sense, Anon. Do you think his inside sources are signed off on? What exactly would be the advantage in okaying some project manager from BO to talk to Berger about how everyone on the NT call started crying and screaming when SpaceX won?

I could have sworn that the apollo missions had microfiche readers for the spacecraft manuals but I can't find them anywhere. Do I just suck at googling or am I going insane?

>>15414210
Ask ChatGPT, unironically. Google sucks so much dick these days.

>>15414210
>>15414211
Or just use a better search engine

>>15414210
>tfw we used microfiche into the mid 00s
this was american equipment too

>>15414211
>Google sucks so much dick these days.
You can revert most of the damage by switching from "all results" to "verbatim". The default settings are for semi-literate baboons who can't use their words properly.

>>15414108
>>15414068
https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA?t=1136
https://youtu.be/52dVfhgt_T4?t=694

>>15414210

>>15414182
Ariane 6 is DOA, they'll have to get a reusable Ariane 7 going.

>>15414235
lol
lmao

>>15413005
HEY CHINKS
COPY THIS ONE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W-E83lC-eN0

>>15414225
hello again, page 1 schizo.

>>15414038
New Glenn by 2030 CONFIRMED!

>>15414244
neat

>>15414174
its obvious that they'll use spacex to launch the constellation...and in exchange they'll require spacex to setup a starship launch site in kourou

>>15414271
they couldn't even get galileo to work

>>15414173
lol they couldn't do a more convincing false flag

>>15414244
>Together, small satellites with lightweight instruments and solar sails offer affordable access to deep regions of the solar system, also making it possible to realize hard-to-reach trajectories that are not constrained to the ecliptic plane. Combining these two technologies can drastically reduce travel times within the solar system, while delivering robust science. With solar sailing propulsion capable of reaching the velocities of ~5-10 AU/yr, missions using a rideshare launch may reach the Jovian system in two years, Saturn in three. The same technologies could allow reaching solar polar orbits in less than two years. Fast, cost-effective, and maneuverable sailcraft that may travel outside the ecliptic plane open new opportunities for affordable solar system exploration, with great promise for heliophysics, planetary science, and astrophysics. Such missions could be modularized to reach different destinations with different sets of instruments. Benefiting from this progress, we present the "Sundiver" concept, offering novel possibilities for the science community.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.14917
2 years to Jupiter? Why not 3 weeks with a plasma magnet?
https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2021/11/19/wind-rider-a-high-performance-magsail/

>>15414279
A convincing false flag military attack on Moscow would have required an immediate nuclear response by Russia to avoid looking like cucks, which the US would have viewed as an unprovoked first strike and immediately glassed Moscow in retaliation. This is about the best they could do. Further discussion should be on
>>>/k/
or
>>>/pol/

great Starship launch analyses in case some of you haven't seen em
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErDuVomNd9M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_BJG-lZxTE

>>15414284
you sound like an undercover mod

>>15414288
>88
I just want the spaceflight thread to be about spaceflight.

>>15414289
I almost got 1488 even

>>15414225
I have yet to, and I actually enjoy watching these sometimes because they're hilarious, find a flat earther that does not have a whole section dedicated to biblical references. You'd think their claims could stand on their own without bible quotes? idk it's just a bit funny.

>>15414284
Nobody's interested in starting a nuclear holocaust, the damage to infrastructure is bad for business.

spaceflight?

>>15414300
do suborbital flights fall under spaceflight?

>>15414297
lucky for everybody then that ziggers arsenal is a mostly rotted through potemkins village. seriously doubt they have more then a hundred at this point that has not turned into a glorified dirty bomb. Provided the icbms are even still functional which they certainly seem not with the slew of failed tests as of late

>>15414282
TRL

>>15414302
sounding rockets that get past the karman line and attempts at orbit obviously are. /pol/ trying to derail into earther bs obviously isn't.

>>15414294
In my experience there's only two kinds of flerfers, the religious fundamentalists who are desperate to prove that the Bible is right and science is wrong rather than the other way around, and glow-in-the-darks injecting flat earth memes to discredit discussion of actual government misbehavior like $200 million expendable roads made of rocks sourced from specific congressional districts.

>>15414302
Its wings of dust spread, the angel of man rises

>>15414322
rises but not quite all the way to space

>>15414322
very nice, did you come up with that yourself?

>>15414328
H-hai

>>15414306
I'd be willing to gamble with everything except their nuclear sub fleet. While most of it is just rotting, they do a pretty solid job of making sure that what remains of the core of their boomer fleet is still able to operate, while simultaneously cutting off the things they can't. Lest we forget they literally just built the largest submarine ever, and it is armed with nuclear weapons of every kind. Now, is that a smart idea? Building, essentially, Arsenal Gear? Probably not since I would not be surprised that it turned out to be quite easy to locate and track.

>>15414332
> grid fins deployed on ascent
isn't that like accelerating with the handbrake on?

>>15414348
the grid fins are used to slow down but to steer.

>>15414348
>>15414349
also the gridfins aren't symmetrical top vs. bottom

>>15413154
>medium earth orbit
>Van Allen belt irradiates your everything to death
That's well-dweller think; tubes belong in solar orbit, not stuck around shitty dirtballs.

GRANES

>>15414349
I thought engine gimballing took care of that?

>>15414356
TUUUUUUUUUUUBES

Why do I have to be stuck on this dirtball?

>>15413867
>the plasmussy

>>15414348
drag is a meme

>rollout
>static fire and cryo tests
>more rollouts and tests
>stack
IT ALL TAKES TOO LOOONNGGGGGGGGG

>>15414356
based and fuck dwellers

>>15414357
Almost all of those are man lifts

>>15414365
>-ussy meme

>>15414359
steering on the way down

>>15413154
>>15414356
> several new studies were conducted which indicated that L5 was not the best location for the colony. One question considered involved the transport of lunar material from L2 to the colony. It turned out that with the colony near L5, this transfer would need a velocity change of over 1400 feet per second. So there was interest in finding a colony site which could be reached more easily. This problem was studied by the simple method of mathematically letting a catcher depart L2 and following it to see where it would go
>The resulting computer solution showed it would go quite close to a stable orbit around Earth with a period of two weeks. Further, it was found that if the colony were located in such an orbit, it could be reached from L2, with velocity change as low as 30 feet per second
>When it was also found to be easier to reach such an orbit from Earth than to reach L5, and also easier to deliver powersats from the orbit to GEO, that clinched it. The colony will be in orbit some 200,000 miles from Earth at its farthest point and 100,000 miles at its closest point, taking a bit less than two weeks for each revolution

>>15414359
the engines can only steer when they are on.

>>15414383
jesus christ can we not have a breakthrough in meme physics to get away from this autism

https://archive.is/20230503164816/https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/spacex-has-few-alternatives-if-lawsuit-upends-musks-texas-launch-plans-2023-05-03/

>>15414376
>>15414384
the engines are on and its climbing, see
>>15414332

>>15414389
the comment is with respect to the articel

https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1653827798836846608

>>15414388
>breakthrough in meme physics
goodfellas_popsci_mush_mind.webp

>>15414391
the fins have the footprints of small houses. at a guess id say they calculated the loss in drag was preferable to adding actuators to the knuckles to keep them tucked in for sh's flight profile vs falcon where they do fold.

>>15414389
lol, what legal expert is that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CldnSk0TTDM
> Professor Jamison Colburn worked as an enforcement litigator for the EPA prior to joining Penn State Law and focusing his scholarship and teaching on environmental law and policy. He writes extensively about the protection of wildlife habitat and endangered species as well as other environmental topics. He recently shared his thoughts on the BP Gulf oil spill.
kind of sounds like an enviromentalist, I wouldn't say unbiased
didn't they already do an enviromental review
they can't expect them to re-do everything? its already done

>>15414389
just move spacex to china. you can do whatever you want there

you understand now why twitter is important?
it could be critical for getting a congress that is favourable to musk

>>15413079
>>15413082
a german was the 4th ever spacex employee you 70 iq retards

https://soundcloud.com/user-556604054/ula-seminar
>every time you watch a falcon 9 launch he's losing a quarter BILLION dollars
lmao that guy was such a retard holy shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPQafc2Cqcg

Hmm
https://twitter.com/ESA_CommGateway/status/1653404019044253697

>>15414393
So Felon Husk will strong arm NASA to throw regulations out the window. Who speaks for the piping plovers and ocelots? ;_;

>>15414391
the loss is so small it's not worth having a retraction mechanism

>>15414419
every bit of foreign state dark funding that usually goes in to all these divisive anti western progressive causes.

>>15414407
You think twitter.... effects congress?

anybody a bit concerned about China beating the US for first Mars samble

>>15414242
https://commercialisation.esa.int/2023/05/protein-the-new-european-heavy-lift-launcher-study/
>PROTEIN – the new European Heavy Lift Launcher study
>This study will assess the feasibility and identify key technologies needed to develop an European Heavy Lift Launcher (EHLL), a high-capacity launch vehicle that can provide access to Low Earth Orbit (LEO) and beyond at both a low cost and high cadence. ESA has secured contracts both with ArianeGroup and Rocket Factory Augsburg which will last until September 2023.
>ESA is projecting a fully reusable heavy-lift launch vehicle, initially optimised for missions to LEO and built with the minimisation of environmental impact in mind, that will be able to advance European capability in space and enable the deployment of large-scale in-space infrastructure projects like In-Space Datacenters, Solar Power and Manufacturing.

Well, at least they're undertaking a study to talk about the possibility of the need to plan the development of a new launch vehicle. They're trying, in their weird European way.

>>15414428
>lets not destroy rare animals habitats
>you are literally Joe Stalin!
picrel, chud

>>15414430
No. xi needs to do something quick so congress shits their pants and starts funding nasa again

>>15414430
does my proclamation of worry stir a traditional american spirit in us regulators to stop listening to random foreign funded ngos and wave through projects that are in the national interest? if so im incredibly worried.

>>15414438
>europe does a shittle 50 years late
can't wait

https://youtu.be/21X5lGlDOfg

>>15414389
>Reuters
Pass

>>15414443
would have more weight as a shitty internet argument if they were filing lawsuits against basically all other human activity at the same time.

>>15414418
https://commercialisation.esa.int/2023/05/protein-the-new-european-heavy-lift-launcher-study/

> This study will assess the feasibility and identify key technologies needed to develop an European Heavy Lift Launcher (EHLL), a high-capacity launch vehicle that can provide access to Low Earth Orbit (LEO) and beyond at both a low cost and high cadence. ESA has secured contracts both with ArianeGroup and Rocket Factory Augsburg which will last until September 2023.

> ESA is projecting a fully reusable heavy-lift launch vehicle, initially optimised for missions to LEO and built with the minimisation of environmental impact in mind, that will be able to advance European capability in space and enable the deployment of large-scale in-space infrastructure projects like In-Space Datacenters, Solar Power and Manufacturing.

> Pairing an EHLL with In-Space Transportation Vehicles (ISTVs) will provide autonomous capability to deploy the large space infrastructure at the scale of ASCEND and SOLARIS.

not reusable I guess

>>15414429
it effects who gets voted into congress yes

>>15414419
>piping plover
Benefit from the beach closures
>ocelots
Don't actually exist

>>15414454
If Europe and the US hadn't propped Russian spaceflight up we could have had Hermes in the 90s

>>15414454
If they do it right instead of just copying all of the Shuttle's mistakes for dumb Soviet reasons it'd forgive a lot of their missteps over the years.

They won't, but we shouldn't pretend that there's no correct way for them to move forward.

>>15414430
that would be good

>>15414468
> ESA is projecting a fully reusable heavy-lift launch vehicle
>not reusable I guess
???

>>15414475
i don't think they have the budget or the expertise (latter follows the former) to create a falcon clone before it becomes so obsolete it isn't worth bothering with. it's a dead continent with dead ideas and practises.

>>15414478

>>15414468
Reusable studies just don't work out

>>15414485
Stupid frogposter
Imagine I pushed a

>>15414414
Him bragging, openly, about governmental corruption allowing them to stymie SpaceX is fucking insane.

>>15414438
>>15414468
>heavy-lift launch vehicle
reminder that the definition of this starts at a measly 20t to LEO

>>15414485
I love Apu so much bros

>>15414491
Yeah and 90% of the talk was politics and personal drama, barely any mention of capabilities. It's nice to see clearly why these people are so useless

>>15414484
They have the budget and they probably have the expertise. The real problem would be spending that budget in a way that's efficient rather than politically "fair." And settling on a final design quickly rather that redesigning Hermes over and over for a decade like they did last time. They do mention making something that's fully reusable, so at least they're trying to aim ahead of where the Falcon 9's been for the last eight years.

>>15413518
This also killed the CCCP's chances of actually winning against the US, but then the Jews in government decided that feeding niggers was better tax dollar usage.

>>15414516
i will cast doubt until i see one nation state led space company get a design off the board and flying reliably so we have something to compare with. but this is years away.

>>15413911
Imagine you're blindfolded and....

>>15414528
>one nation state led space company
That's always the problem with Europe. No one wants to do it themselves when they could get everyone else to help pay for it.

>>15414495
>30 year old booster
Imagine a future where starship starts to see regular use and finishes development, but Musk dies soon after halting all further development. Then SSSH ends up flying missions for 50 plus years with only minor improvements just like the B-52 with the fleet only kept going from the spare parts of hundreds of retired ships.

SS is just a bunch of hoops of stainless steel stacked, it's easy to build. Especially when you consider that in the future they will remove the flaps

I think Starship should have a prismatic shape instead of cylindrical.

>>15414550
crabs in a bucket

>>15414550
Europe should just buy the 3rd biggest medium lift rocket company that remains standing after a few years. Maybe if they ask nicely the US will let them.

https://twitter.com/SenBillNelson/status/1653845641804779540

hydrogen sustainer stage with side boosters

spinlaunched ntr second stage with blackhole radiation first stage lunar space tug

Hall-effect thruster 1st stage

Czech Republic joined the Artemis Accords

>>15414622
>Czech Republic joined the Artemis Accords
Very useful. Now every astronaut can be issued their own personal Anna 8153 to keep them from getting lonely and bored on the long voyage

>>15414622
i'm only seeing three countries that have actually been to space

Czech glory holes

>>15414633
Does the Orion capsule even have room for them?

They could always use the airlock

Spinlaunch mounted to an airplane that launches a NTR SSTO spaceplane

>>15414620
That would just be a fusion torch.

>>15414579
You aren't properly dedicated to your idea. The engines should be triangular aerospikes.

>>15414647
Yes

Z-pinch fusion ullage thrusters

surface to core to surface fusion powdered maglev supported mass drivers with orion kick stages

staged combustion gas core NTP

combustion chamber based chemical bipropellant reaction thruster engines

>>15414668
you've strayed to far into sci fi

>>15414668
NYT confirmed such a contraption couldn't work in a vacuum anyway

>>15414622
>Bahrain
>Literally Nigeria and Rwanda
This is worthless

>>15414622
Nice. Now we need to get Argentina and Chile to sign on to cuck China out of South American ground stations.

>>15414632
Artemis Accord is basically a pledge to not step on US toes when it comes to space exploration.
All the countries in it were basically strong armed by the US to sign it

>>15414694
haha f word

>>15414694
is this supposed to be funny? I don't get it.

>>15414668

>>15414694
>Editorial

>>15414694
This is the most obnoxious thing I’ve ever experienced

>>15414701
fucking itoddlers cant even do bad forced memes properly

>>15414697
That's the stick. The carrot is getting to participate in the space resource economy without needing native super heavy lift capability, because the accords establish property law for space.

>>15414694
Liberal comedy is always so cringe

>>15414708
My theory is that some people suffer from a lack of acceptable nono words, so they try to compensate by overusing the ones they can use.

>>15414579
>aero stress is slightly off center
>ACK'd by stress seams

>>15414713
You're just desensitized.

>>15414716
disagree

>>15414694
heckin funny

>>15414717
Well saying nigger doesn't always make something funny either

>>15414732
You know you just committed wrongthink, right?

watch live as BlueShift tests their wax engine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjDEt0cx73A

https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1653845987201359879

icymi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-hcodRV4UU
https://kvia.com/news/2023/05/01/spaceport-america-rocket-explodes-moments-after-lift-off/