/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15407650
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>>15407650
this whole thing you wrote is pretty dumb and reductionistic and begs questions in of itself. Okay white isn't a race but it doesn't mean there aren't seperation between ethnic groups or things distinguished.

This is less any scientific evidence and more moralist polemics it's not science but pure rhetoric it means absolutely nothing and is a matter of opinion.

I would also add your opinions lead more towards it's more nuanced how people are separate than we realize not that we are not at all.

>>15408116

>it doesn't mean there aren't seperation between ethnic groups or things distinguished.

Please mention when did the author say that there are no differences between ethnic groups? If anything, the author explicitly said that diverse biological traits exist among humans, but they proposed that these racial biological differences don't actually matter, and explained why in detail.

>Politically correct egalitarians claim that anyone who believes in the concept of "race" or attempts to classify humans into "types" based on biological differences follows the doctrine of "race"-ism (not necessarily because they are racist, but merely because they believe in the concept of "race". In this sense, their being a racist is merely implied from this vocabulary). This is troubling because (1) it obscures racism's real definition (ethno-tribalism), as well as devaluing it as a cheap insult for viewpoints one disagrees with, and (2) makes racist reactionaries believe those who are morally opposed to racism have a vendetta against biological science

>Anti-racists need not reject biology in order to defeat racism. Indeed, embracing the fact that noble and ignoble traits have a heritable basis is the only way we can truly rid humanity of racism. HBD is correct in its anti-egalitarian assertion that some individuals are biologically inferior to other individuals. However, unlike HBDers, Aryanists do not believe IQ, skin color, ethnic background, or any arbitrary trait is what determines superiority or inferiority."

>Let me say it one more time: there is nothing inherently racist or otherwise morally apprehensible about studying human biological diversity. Racists know this, and try to pass off their views to the unsuspecting layman under the seemingly-innocent label of HBD.

It's clear that the author is not against studying biological differences between humans, they're against the concept of ethno-tribalism.

>>15408116
>This is less any scientific evidence and more moralist polemics it's not science

I don't see the problem here. Racism is purely a philosophical concept. Racism is when you draw separatist moral conclusions from the fact that biological differences between humans exist. It is merely a philosophical interpretation of anthropology.

>>15407650
Race realism is like gender studies. It's just like who give a fuck bruh

>>15408232
>but they proposed that these racial biological differences don't actually matter
That's a statement of values which is not science.

>>15407650
There is no objective (& rational) critique of Race Realism.
It's all just hecking racism bad moral faggotry nothing else.

>>15408232
Ethno tribalism is completely normal social phenomena, compared to it diversity is disastrous for a society.

>>15408238
Not true. Racism is when whites are better than negros at math.
Racism is reality.

>>15408449
Literally all societies developed from ethnic and linguistic tribes, it has been proven homogenous societies are by far better than DIEverse non-societies on all social, political and economic metrics.
All history is nothing but struggle between various ethno tribal groups, even before civilisation existed various species of the homo genus were fighting for supremacy, groups that promoted outgroup preference and "peace" all died out.

>>15408331
Ok and? Science suggests that there are diverse biological differences between humans, saying that these biological differences matter (which is the main premise of racism) would also be a statement of values. Racists say these differences matter and that human ethnic groups should be separated as a result, the author says they don't matter and proves why, both are statements of values. There's no science here because there shouldn't be, whether racial differences matter or not is a deeply philosophical question. If you believe in ethno-tribalism that means you believe in a separatist philosophy, author explains why this separatist philosophy is bad hence allegedly debunks racism. Now, scientific racism is basically just racism, it really doesn't mean anything, there's nothing scientific about it except that racists (people who believe in ethnotribalism) use scientific studies done on ethnic groups to justify their separatist philosophy/way of thinking. As I said in the last reply, racism/"scientific" racism is merely a philosophical interpretation of science.

>>15408232
>Yes there are biological differences
>yes, biological differences leads to different phenotypes, which are observable
>yes, this means that, according to circumstances, some individuals are better than other due to better fitness
Ok and?
>no, you shouldn't be racist and discriminate
Except i can actually do that, because there are material characteristics in human population that can make me, and a lot of people even unconsciously, to discriminate and select people for the better. And you must resort to tribalism if you want to apply selection.

I should thank the author for enforcing the eugenic right-winger inside me, instead of the more conservative and moderate position.

>>15408465
>>15408331

And again, you still didn't explain why is the author wrong or why his arguments against ethnotribalism are invalid, you just pointed out the obvious by saying that his arguments are moralist polemics.

>>15408473
He's wrong because he's a pseud and he writes like a fag.

Why are humans the only "species" that ca supposedly live together? (if you want to claim they are one species that is highly contested)

Fire ants and black ants dont live together. African bees and European bees dont live together. Different spiders dont live together or snakes etc. What scientific basis is being used to determine that humans are somehow special to all other animals on this planet in this regard? Especially when history has shown this is not the case. Ethnic diverse cultures are whimsical fantasies of half wits. Sure if you have a "colony" of all highly intelligent people you could likely pull it off but in this world you have to cater everything to the most retarded denominator and they always fuck everything up for everyone else. When the fucktards like BLM and kike stir up shit you are going to be forced to pick a side and unless you are stone cold retard it shouldnt be hard for you to figure out it is going to be with your own people

Your infant son needs to go under for a complex 8 hour procedure. You have your choice between two surgeons with identical credentials. One is white, the other is black.

Which do you choose?

>>15408465
>There's no science here because there shouldn't be, whether racial differences matter or not is a deeply philosophical question.
So what happens when irrefutable evidence of significant, inherent neurological differences between races comes to light? Are we just gonna ignore it? Negroes are already shown to have significant athletic advantages due to more ACTN3-proficiency(www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707620242). Although far more complex, I think similar genetic discrepancies in IQ are also present.

>>15408473
He's a leftist separatist, you can see it by how he attacks both rightists and the "False left". Now these people are common in the left, like everything else they end up competing against each others for who's the true scotsman of revolution. Same with the right, cultural variation accumulates like genetic variations, it's just evolution doing its thing, if one group with one talking point dies for some reason the other takes over, no matter if evolution completely changes the definition of left and right and makes them switch roles completely, as long the species goes on anything is good.

But this guy defeates itself by claiming his point of view is better than others, for some reason tribalism is valid here but invalid when we talk about race, for some reason when we talk about race we must be egalitarian because we don't want to hurt any niggerino, but for cultural matter leftists have no problem in destroying different views like a rightist would do with a different human.

>>15408459
>All history is nothing but struggle between various ethno tribal groups
There's many reasons for war, not just ethnic reasons. The crusades was one of the biggest wars in history and it was a religious war, Christians killed millions of people for simply being non Christian regardless of their ethnicity. Ancient Egyptians had constant civil wars. Roman wars were mostly about expanding their empire and they didn't care who they killed they just wanted the land. Aztecs and other civilizations started wars because war was part of their culture and was celebrated. Then there's economic wars and wars of independence and the list of non ethnic wars is huge. The distinction between ethnic and cultural wars isn't obvious either, the current Israel Palestine war probably looks ethnic but the demographics of Israel is over 20% non jewish arabs who live in Israel permanently so clearly it's more complex than they're just different racially. Some wars are likely ethnic but nowhere near all or most of them

Racism does not exist

only ethnocentric preference exists

>>15408558
>Christians killed millions of people for simply being non Christian regardless of their ethnicity
not what happened, where did you even get this twisted viewpoint from?

>ethnicity == race
We have a huge problem in this thread.

>>15408558
>The crusades was one of the biggest wars in history; Christians killed millions of people for simply being non Christian
So you're jewish ?

>>15407650
>>15408473
tl;dr
What are his arguments ?

>>15408558
>The crusades was one of the biggest wars in history and it was a religious war,
Crusades were not particularly big, and there were not many of them. They also were 100 % justified. Muslims attacked and conquered vast areas of East Roman Empire, so Christians mobilised to stem the tide and retake these areas. If you consider Americans liberating France in WW2 justified, then Crusades were justified too.

>>15408724
Not one english face among them

>>15408465
>people who believe in ethnotribalism
So blacks, asians and hispanics?
The problem is that you are saying how ethnic preferentialism should be abandoned in favor of some mystical, magical all love.And it has been tried for nearly 70 years now.Has it worked?Has ''racism'' been done with after over half a century of attempt of fighting human nature?Well no, it has gotten only worse.No society on earth has done away with what it and they never will.

I'm not reading all that boring shit. If it cannot be summarized in a simple paragraph or two then it's bogus logic and therefore should be ignored as mental gymnastics.

>>15408568
>term "crusade" first referred to military expeditions undertaken by European Christians in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to the Holy Land. The conflicts to which the term is applied has been extended to include other campaigns initiated, supported and sometimes directed by the Roman Catholic Church against pagans, heretics or for alleged religious ends
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades#Terminology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity#Crusades
here's death tolls
https://apholt.com/2019/01/30/death-estimates-for-the-crusades

This kind of thing was fairly common
>After the fall of Acre, Richard I wanted to exchange a large number of Muslim prisoners from the city for the True Cross, 100,000 gold pieces and 1600 Christians held captive by Saladin
>After the agreed time limit for the Saracens to hand over the cross had expired, Richard, increasingly under the impression that Saladin was stalling, decided to have his hostages publicly executed. On 16 August Richard ordered that all the prisoners from Acre should be taken to a small hill called Ayyadieh. He ordered 2700 Turkish hostages to be led bound out of the city to be beheaded
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_Ayyadieh
>The siege was followed by the mass slaughter of thousands of Muslims and Jews and the conversion of Muslim holy sites on the Temple Mount into Christian shrines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)

>The siege of Ma'arra occurred in late 1098 in the city of Ma'arrat al-Numan, in what is modern-day Syria, during the First Crusade. It is infamous for the claims of widespread cannibalism displayed by the Crusaders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Ma'arra

>Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stedinger_Crusade

many such cases

A posteriori observations that can come forward truly as science and confirmed by the scientific method continuously: >There are racial biological differences

The disagreement: >Do these differences matter? [NOT SCIENTIFIC INHERENTLY]

And so far in this 30-reply thread no progress towards an agreement have took place.

As a Racist this gets so boring, this is supposed to be /sci/.

>>15408727
>Crusades were not particularly big, and there were not many of them
There were dozens of military expeditions in the crusades and it lasted for 200 years
>They also were 100 % justified. Muslims attacked and conquered vast areas of East Roman Empire, so Christians mobilised to stem the tide and retake these areas.
Yeah 400 after it happened. That would be like Mexico suddenly going to war with US for taking the south west states from them and saying it's totally justified. The arabs were fairly accommodating of the Christians in the area
>The Rashidun caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab signed a treaty with Christian Patriarch of Jerusalem Sophronius, assuring him that Jerusalem's Christian holy places and population would be protected under Muslim rule.[162] Christian-Arab tradition records that, when led to pray at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, one of the holiest sites for Christians, the caliph Umar refused to pray in the church so that Muslims would not request conversion of the church to a mosque.[163] He prayed outside the church, where the Mosque of Umar (Omar) stands to this day, opposite the entrance to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem#Early_Muslim_period

>>15408727
>Crusades were not particularly big, and there were not many of them
There were dozens of military expeditions in the crusades and it lasted for 200 years
>They also were 100 % justified. Muslims attacked and conquered vast areas of East Roman Empire, so Christians mobilised to stem the tide and retake these areas.
Yeah 400 years after it happened. That would be like Mexico suddenly going to war with US for taking Texas from them and saying it's totally justified. The arabs were fairly accommodating of the Christians in the area
>The Rashidun caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab signed a treaty with Christian Patriarch of Jerusalem Sophronius, assuring him that Jerusalem's Christian holy places and population would be protected under Muslim rule.[162] Christian-Arab tradition records that, when led to pray at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, one of the holiest sites for Christians, the caliph Umar refused to pray in the church so that Muslims would not request conversion of the church to a mosque.[163] He prayed outside the church, where the Mosque of Umar (Omar) stands to this day, opposite the entrance to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem#Early_Muslim_period

most of the crusades were justified
reconquista was justified

>>15408966
>Yeah 400 years after it happene
Yes, Christians stood by for 400 years while Muslims raped, pillaged, and conquered their lands all over North Africa, Middle East and beyond. However, when Seljuks advanced further into Anatolia, the Roman Emperor called for help, and that triggered the first crusade.
>The arabs were fairly accommodating of the Christians in the area
They really weren't. Christians were butchered and enslaved, and their holy places were desecrated, looted and converted to mosques. Christians converted Rome somewhat peacefully, but Muslims did the same with sword and violence.

Try to read a book for once in your life.

>>15408975
Only Northern Crusades could be called unjustified, really, but nobody ever even speaks of them. It's only ever muh muslimerinos.

>>15408978
>Only Northern Crusades could be called unjustified, really, but nobody ever even speaks of them. It's only ever muh muslimerinos.
Crusading against pagans that still did human sacrifice and raided and enslaved Central Europeans is quite based to be honest.

>>15407650
>race realism
...or is it real racism?

>>15408978
>Try to read a book for once in your life.
I'm giving you references and you're just gaslighting people here and telling me to read a book. Clearly you've only read the christian apologetic side of the story. It's not even contentious that the crusades were a large scale christian holy war

>>15410994
...here's a very large list of Christian atrocities too with a lot of extra info on the crusades. With sources
https://stellarhousepublishing.com/victims

I can talk about wars undertaken by Islam or any group or religion really but as soon as I mention Christianity or Nazis someone will magically appear in the thread that is seemingly from another board or something like they've been called in for backup with all this watered down unsourced "history" telling me that no all my sources are totally wrong everything Christians do is justified and everyone should listen to their unsourced claims. I never get Chinese people or Islamic people or jews or whatever doing that but with Christians it's almost every time. It's weird. It's weird that it happens almost every time too

>>15410994
...here's a very large list of Christian atrocities too with a lot of extra info on the crusades. With sources
https://stellarhousepublishing.com/victims

I can talk about wars undertaken by Islam or any group or religion really but as soon as I mention Christianity or Nazis someone will magically appear in the thread that is seemingly from another board or something like they've been called in for backup with all this watered down unsourced "history" telling me that no all my sources are totally wrong everything Christians do is justified and everyone should listen to their unsourced claims. I never get Chinese people or Islamic people or jews or whatever doing that but with Christians it's almost every time. It's really weird

>>15408978
>Christians converted Rome
Christianity was a Roman underclass cult from the start.

>>15408311
>t. tiny cranium mutt

need any more affirmative action homie?

>>15407650
nigger skull doesnt look like that, these people have similar skull to white becacuse they had whtie grandparents

>>15411038
How often do you see mainstrream critiques of Islam or Judaism?
The persistent hateboner against christians is tiring makes people very sensitive.
If you criticise jews you are publicly shamed and called an antisemite, if you aren't jewish and criticise islam you are call islamophobbic if you critices christians you gain a starring role or an award.

People (necessarily) cluster together because groups who work together will out-compete unorganized groups. The clustering is not just about ideas but there's also biological clustering because it simply makes the group more effective. Clustering together on a biological level makes it easier to ascertain the fitness and temperament of other members (by similar members) in that group in more subtle ways, allowing for more precise ways of being, aka specialization. It allows for more exact ways of recognizing defectors and cooperators, just by looking at faces, mimicry and tone of voice

The roma people is an interesting example in the sense that you don't necessarily need to cluster together around "productive" behaviors to become an effective and distinct group

>>15408523
>"Hurr... Dear leftists:
>when it comes to race, you say all equal,
>but when it comes to scientific theories, you say NOT equal...
>Checkmate leftie! Gotcha!"
OUCH!! You totally BTFO him, my dude! I wonder how will he ever recover from that incredibly high IQ retort of yours!
I bet you must be feeling really smart right now, don't you?

>>15411038
>Christian atrocities:
>First crusade
You're too ignorant to have opinions about anything whatsoever. Please shut up and never post on /sci/ again.

>>15408724
>pic
grim

>>15412452

>>15408761
>And it has been tried for nearly 70 years now. Has it worked? Has ''racism'' been done with after over half a century of attempt of fighting human nature? Well no, it has gotten only worse.
It's not a fight against human nature. It's a fight for a better expression of human nature. Just as every man is taught to be responsible with his potential for violence because there are learned skills that can stir that in a better direction, we can learn to get along with people who our innate biases may be against, initially. America is proof that this works. It is the world leader in part because of the demographics, combatting declining population with fresh blood from other nations. Europe is stagnant and lagging behind, China is looking at severe issues, Japan and Korea are fucked, and America is looking as bright as it did in the 80's.

>>15412208
It's just the schizophrenic atheist jews, they spam every board with that shit.

>>15412616
>Europe is stagnant and lagging behind,
How come ? They're getting a lot of fresh blood from other nations too.

>>15412720
>a lot of fresh blood from other nations
Some would even say rivers of blood.

>There is no white race
Of course there is Europeans have very neoteneous facial structures compared to all other Caucasoids you insane progressive lunatics

>>15407650
>>15408449
>>15408500
>>15408558
There have been diverse empires all the time. What mattered was lead content. If your lead intake was low, you were human waste, a savage, a subhuman a slave. For a good reason, when you are lead deficient, your neocortex doesn't work, and you are not only fully human, you are not even fully mammal. And certain people probably figured ot out, and instead of curing everyone, they turned everyone into slaves and savages.

>>15412208
>How often do you see mainstrream critiques of Islam or Judaism?
I'm not sure what that has to do with what I was saying. My initial point was the majority of wars aren't ethnic wars. I mentioned christians, egyptians, romans, aztecs, jews, palestinians and arabs in general. Out of all those I mentioned someone came into the thread and spazzed out about the christians only, even though I mentioned like 8 different groups. Don't you think that's a little weird ? Why are they so special ? Well they're not

The mainstream media puts out negative articles about israel almost every day, here have a look, they always stick up for palestine (i don't care either way too fyi). If you never read the stuff you're obviously never going to see it
https://www.washingtonpost.com/search/?query=israel&time=all&sort=date
The US was at war with islamic nations for decades and there was constantly articles in the news that made them look terrible. But say one thing bad about christianity and that's too much and apparently i'm a schizophrenic athiest jew for doing so. The cognitive bias is extreme

>>15412798
They don't care about the truth, they just hate white people and want them all dead and will say whatever it takes to achieve their goals.

>>15407650
>This is by far the best critique of race realism.
What critique was even presented there?
The whole things is super long and incredibly lame at the same time. The RationalWiki racialism article is masterpiece in comparison.

>>15408501
really...no other information.

>>15412729
Shit like this makes my blood boil. Fuck sandniggers. Put them back to where they belong.

>>15412616
>combatting declining population with fresh blood from other nations.
Bangladesh has larger population that New Zealand. Which is of those places would you rather live in?
yeah...

>>15408500
>Fire ants and black ants dont live together. African bees and European bees dont live together. Different spiders dont live together or snakes etc.
These aren’t the same species

>>15415447
>These aren’t the same species
Yes.

>>15415484
You mean subgroup?

>>15408450
Math is a philosophical concept.

>>15408500
>if you want to claim they are one species that is highly contested
Anatomically-modern humans are unanimously considered as one single species across the board. There are multiple species of humans, of course, but all the others are extinct.
>Fire ants and black ants dont live together.
They don't live in the same colonies but they inhabit the same habitats, generally in different niches. This is excluding Solenopsis invicta which is an invasive species.
>African bees and European bees dont live together.
European bees and African bees not only live together (and interbreed -- Africanized bees are A. m. scutellata x Apis mellifera ) but they are the same species.
>Different spiders dont live together or snakes etc.
In a single day walking around the fields where I live in rural California, I could find +5 species of spiders (Latrodectus hesperus, Pholcus phalangioides, and Steatoda hespera come to mind in this thought experiment) and plenty of snake species (Colubridae sp., Pituophis catenifer, Crotalus sp.) all inhabiting the same habitat
>What scientific basis is being used to determine that humans are somehow special to all other animals on this planet in this regard?
Biology doesn't generally have a say in dictating political policy.
>Ethnic diverse cultures are whimsical fantasies of half wits.
Cosmopolitan, multi-ethnic empires are some of the most celebrated cultures in history. Rome, Hellenistic Greece, Ancient China, and Egypt come to mind. You can make the argument that these civilizations weren't ethnically diverse (even though they clearly were -- Iamblichus, Plotinus, and Porphyry were paragons of Greco-Roman culture yet were Arab, Egyptian, and Phoenician respectively.) Don't bother arguing about this if loqui non potes linguam Romanam however.

/sci/ has greatly declined in quality and I shouldn't be surprised that I have to explain all this but I am. What is your highest level of schooling?

>>15408500

>Why are humans the only "species" that ca supposedly live together?

Easy. Because we're capable of making the black ants know their fucking place and put them at least to a semblance of use. Sadly not doing this anymore.

>>15412616
>It's not a fight against human nature
It most definetly is.Humans have a natural tendency to associate with groups.Your attempt is to destroy group identity which has fallen flat on it's face.
>America is proof that this works
See picture>>15408761
Data says otherwise.After over half a century of experimentation racial groups still asociate with their own and give preferential treatment to their own.You haven't done away with anything.This claims you make has no backing of any kind.Listening to you speak is kind of freakish.It's deeply laced in an ideological muds.It's not empirical or rational in any way.
>combatting declining population with fresh blood from other nations
You may benefit from this if you own a business which gets a cheap workforce.Of course you won't actually live amongst the newcomers yourself as is typical of people like you.

>>15415849
>Humans have a natural tendency to associate with groups
That doesn't imply that ethnocentrism is more than just a bias we have in a certain context. Humans also instinctually HATE surgical intervention, and when you have a disease where it's by far the best option, far too many people choose alternatives. Our instincts aren't always working for our well being, they can be residual evolutionary shit that isn't that relevant anymore.
>racial groups still asociate with their own and give preferential treatment to their own
That isn't true and you know it. American Whites are one of the most egalitarian groups in the whole world, and it wasn't the case 100 years ago. So, we can make people less prejudiced, and if we stop making excuses for minorities who are held to a lower standard and apply societal pressure, there will be more egalitarianism among Blacks and others too.
>you won't actually live amongst the newcomers yourself
Why does it bother you where I will live? Is it that much of a problem to live in a white pocket of a rapidly developing country? It's not, it's better than to live in a fully white shithole like Hungary with a stagnating economy.

>>15415759
Why are invasive species bad, when people moving around are not bad?

>>15415880

>Our instincts aren't always working for our well being

Jup. Primarily as they're not working at all anymore in most today. Enjoy the outcome. :)

>>15415880
>shithole like Hungary
Yeah i am sure that ''shithole Hunagry'' is a far worse place to live in than beautiful, diverse, safe and economically prosperous Brazil that you are trying to turn America into.You are claiming how mass imigration benefits economy but in truth it dosen't.What actually happens is that a small elite class get stupid rich from cheap labor while the country as a whole gets poorer.That's not ''development'' it's shifting and outsourcing of wealth and labor.
>Whites are one of the most egalitarian groups in the whole world
Yeah.Because they have been a subject of near 1984 tier censorship and penalization for having a wrong opinnion.And yet despite all of it we know that most white people hate what is happening.That is why Trump's wall was so popular.Keep in mind that most white people in America, including white women voted for Trump.And we also have data which shows what white people actually think again see>>15408761
This is as far as you will get with your ''all love'' People hiding their real opinnions on things.
>Is it that much of a problem to live in a white pocket of a rapidly developing country?
And there we have it.The champion of diversity is a silverspoon who has never left his white neighborhood.

>>15416164
>than beautiful, diverse, safe and economically prosperous Brazil that you are trying to turn America into
Brazil is bad because it has bad institutions. America isn't that different from it demographically.
>the country as a whole gets poorer
You're such a retard. Only the poorest suffer to a small degree because of increased labor competition, the rest, and the middle class as well, get major benefits. One of the reasons for the post-COVID inflation spike is lack of fresh labor that was caused by restrictions.
>most white people hate what is happening.That is why Trump's wall was so popular
No, Trump doesn't indicate Whitey hating what is happening, because Trump didn't change anything for the better. He was just a populist, populists get popular despite having shitty policies all the time.
>The champion of diversity is a silverspoon who has never left his white neighborhood.
Huh? I've always lived in cities, not in suburbs. I have never been a part of a gated community or a rural area, I hate those. I have mostly White friends and we are more than all right having non-White people around.

>>15416201
>America isn't that different from it demographically.
Lol, imagine actually believing this. Safe to say the rest of your posts are just as retarded

>>15408232
>the author
You aren't fooling anyone, advertise your shitty blog somewhere else

>>15416201
>Brazil is bad because it has bad institutions
Yes and there are certain reasons why, kinds of reasons that you want to bring to America.
>the rest, and the middle class as well, get major benefits
You are claiming these things but i am yet to see a single data presented to back up any of your claims of supposed economic benefits.The data that i have seen so far would indicate quite the opposite.
>Trump doesn't indicate Whitey hating what is happening
But the data does.I once again direct you to the post since you still seem to not get it.>>15408761

>>15415880
>and it wasn't the case 100 years ago.
False. USA used to be far more egalitarian. This changed right after the new migration act.

>>15416201
Brazil is bad because of shitskins.

The Southern part that is more White is more prosperous. The mutted Northern part is an African tier shithole

>>15412591
If only you knew.

>>15415966
Because invasive species out-compete the species already there and become the dominant species.

Why are you trying to say invasive species are comparable to humans moving when we're all apart of the same species? Who are we out-competing if we're all humans?

>>15407650
>critique
critique, critique, critique, it's all you know to do, i know its your culture, but your culture is shit

>>15408724
Holy shit, how did you let it get this bad?

>>15407650
I remember someone posted this on reddit and redditors were coping by saying those skulls are cherrypicked

>>15415759
>Cosmopolitan, multi-ethnic empires are some of the most celebrated cultures in history.
they started out (and grew) in monoculture, ethnic nations and decayed in multi-culti rot. Time and time again through different version in almost isolated case studies. Simply as human monkeys like to be together with those similar to them and instinctively distrust outsiders. The bigger difference, the more heavy the natural discomfort followed with internal decay from not trusting the invading packs

this is fact for anybody familiar with imperial past and not biased with current day ideological dogma. Diversity is not a strength, it is a blatant weakness

>>15415759
> I could find +5 species of spiders (Latrodectus hesperus, Pholcus phalangioides, and Steatoda hespera come to mind in this thought experiment) and plenty of snake species (Colubridae sp., Pituophis catenifer, Crotalus sp.) all inhabiting the same habitat
What do you mean by habitat specifically? The same desert or the same square meter of land?

>multi-ethnic empires are some of the most celebrated cultures in history. Rome, Hellenistic Greece, Ancient China, and Egypt come to mind.
By this standard Republican party is ethnically diverse

>>15416433
>Who are we out-competing if we're all humans?
The other subspecies of humans obviously. Why are you playing dumb?

>>15415880
>Our instincts aren't always working for our well being, they can be residual evolutionary shit that isn't that relevant anymore.
Right, so what are the benefits of racial diversity that can be analogous to surgical intervention?

>>15415880
>American Whites are one of the most egalitarian groups in the whole world, and it wasn't the case 100 years ago.
eh, even in this case itđsp not so simple. Whites are egalitarian in theory but in practice... Just one example:
>This paper reports on several studies which find that when white people live in more racially diverse areas they are more likely to structure their local environments in ways that lead to segregation (e.g. setting up facilities w/entrance fees).
>https://psyarxiv.com/yzpr2/

Even white strongly prefer company of their own. This becomes more trues if you look at their dating preferences. They are the LEAST egalitarian in this regard.

>>15416433
Why is outcompeting the local groups and becoming the dominant group bad when it's species, but alright when it's ethnies ?

>>15416487
I can believe that. Most normies would shit bricks if they saw an Aboriginal skull.

>>15415966
I didn't say invasive species were bad.
>>15416489
>they started out (and grew) in monoculture, ethnic nations and decayed in multi-culti rot [...] this is fact for anybody familiar with imperial past and not biased with current day ideological dogma.
Retarded pop history myth, literally "strong men create..."-tier reasoning with no basis in familiarity with "imperial past," whatever that means. The so-called fall of the Roman Empire was due to a wide variety of economic and social conditions; even, after the death of Romulus Augustulus, the eastern half of the empire remained a major influence on the affairs of Europe until the 15th century. It is blatantly clear in the case of the Roman Empire that religious and linguistic affinity -- things which can be changed and adopted at will -- were far more important than ethnic identity, let alone some anachronistic racial identity. It was always a cornerstone of Greco-Roman culture, even during 'monocultural' and 'ethnic' eras, that one could acculturate and become a Ἕλλην. And why three of the greatest forebears of Greco-Roman culture -- the aforementioned Plotinus, Porphyry, and Iamblichus -- were not "racially" Greek as we would consider them today but were still considered dyed-in-the-wool Ἕλληνες. As for China -- well, it seems their current strife is coming from an artificial attempt to systematize a homogenous monoculture out of an ethnically diverse region which has hundreds of separate ethnic groups. "China" has never existed in the sense of a single culture anyway.
>>15416534
>What do you mean by habitat specifically?
Lift a rock or a board or something similar in an abandoned field in California, one where it stays moist underneath. You'll see plenty of species of arachnid, together, coexisting.
>>15416534
>By this standard Republican party is ethnically diverse
I'm guessing if you're a /pol/cel you'd argue that the Republican party /is/ ethnically diverse.

>>15416489
>>15416635
Also, note that one of the founding myths of the Roman State was based on fucking foreign women. In fact many elite Romans during the late Republican period and Pax Romana were not even "Roman" in the sense of being descended from Romans; Pompey, Cicero, Marius, Ovid, the emperor Claudius, et al. were all of foreign stock (Oscan, Sabine, Paelignian, etc).

>>15415759
>even though they clearly were -- Iamblichus, Plotinus, and Porphyry were paragons of Greco-Roman culture yet were Arab, Egyptian, and Phoenician respectively.
This is proof you're a retard and don't deserve to be coddled for it.

Tribalism/in-group preference is natural and biologically hardwired.


Or "We built for this shit" as our jovial melanated friends like to say

>>15416307
>kinds of reasons that you want to bring to America
America's institutions are rooted in England. England has been stagnant and waning in different ways for well over half a century. Its economy is no match to the US, per capita. And that began when England was over 95% White. America is much less White than England -- and much more successful. Your implied argument is shit -- which is why you are a coward who can't even outright state it. People like you, on the political fringes, the extremists, are too cowardly to expose their arguments in full.
>You are claiming these things but i am yet to see a single data presented to back up any of your claims of supposed economic benefits
Sorry, sweetie, but every American tax bracket has been gaining more income than almost any other developed nation. America is way ahead of the European median number.

By the way, this "data" of your pic isn't real. It doesn't come from a study by a professional, it comes from a nobody and you didn't even check if it's real, you just believe it to be true.
>>15416311
>literal racial oppression was more egalitarian
LOL, LMAO
>>15416314
America's most prosperous counties aren't homogenous.
>>15416537
Racial diversity itself doesn't have a benefit. It's not a negative either. It's just easier to revitalize your workforce if you're open to productive people from all over the world, not just Europe.
>>15416540
>This becomes more trues if you look at their dating preferences. They are the LEAST egalitarian in this regard.
And that fine. Different kinds of people living peacefully in a big developing country -- that's the American dream.

>>15416717
>America's institutions are rooted in England. England has been stagnant and waning in different ways for well over half a century. Its economy is no match to the US, per capita. And that began when England was over 95% White.
Should we tell him?

>>15416727
Tell me that England has been that way for decades before many non-White people became its new citizens?

>>15416737
About the thing that happened in Europe over half a century ago.

>>15416660
What's the highest degree of school you've completed?

>>15416717
>acial diversity itself doesn't have a benefit. It's not a negative either.
It obviously is unless you think ethnic conflict is a good thing.

>>15415759
>>Fire ants and black ants dont live together.
>They don't live in the same colonies but they inhabit the same habitats, generally in different niches. This is excluding Solenopsis invicta which is an invasive species.
>>African bees and European bees dont live together.
>European bees and African bees not only live together (and interbreed -- Africanized bees are A. m. scutellata x Apis mellifera ) but they are the same species.
>>Different spiders dont live together or snakes etc.
>In a single day walking around the fields where I live in rural California, I could find +5 species of spiders (Latrodectus hesperus, Pholcus phalangioides, and Steatoda hespera come to mind in this thought experiment) and plenty of snake species (Colubridae sp., Pituophis catenifer, Crotalus sp.) all inhabiting the same habitat
All this all to ignore the fact that these different species/breeds/subtypes/whatever all brutally kill each other when confronted in their common habitat. You know, like human races tend to do, especially niggers.

>>15413250
You will be impaled and eaten alive by chimps, that is the punishment you deserve.

>>15416848
You will get ass ears nailed into your skull as reward for your academic achievements.

>>15415484
Humans are cursed bastard mongrels. Is hard to tell if they are more beast than human just by looking at them.

>>15407650
>See Steve Sailer under HBD
goddamn this dude is everywhere

big cringe thread for gay ass reasoning

>>15416717
>American tax bracket has been gaining more income than almost any other developed nation
>America is much less White than England -- and much more successful.
>Picture
Correlation does not imply causation.It's a very dishonest and ignorant way of presenting evidence.Economy is mainly drivern by technical and scientific inovation not cheap labor.Are you rely so stupid you fail to understand that it is rather obvious that people from southern america who make up most of the imigrant population and score around 90IQ on an IQ tests are not going to be major contributers to the economy and in fact there are reasons to believe quite the countrary as is presented by data?And are you reply so stupid you can't grasp that when looking at impact on economy of a group you have to look at them seperately not on the economy as a whole?You haven't done your homework on the topic.Have no data to support any of your claims and resort to dumb arguments and ignoiring of any evidence given.You've lost the debate.

>>15416717
Wrong. Per capita the most succesful White countries are Switzerland, Norway etc.

Non-Whites caused housing cost inflation, stagnant wages (real wages since 1970) and increased crime rates (70's was the worst era, 50s was the best when America was nearly lure White).

The literal Golden age of America was when the immigration laws only allowed White European migrants.

>>15417817
>Have no data to support any of your claims and resort to dumb arguments
Like you?
>Correlation does not imply causation
Immigration has been proven to have causal positive effect on the economy, cope.
>>15418226
You are way BEYOND retarded. To claim that
>stagnant wages (real wages since 1970)
while you replying to an image showing real wage growth is peak reality denial, lol

>>15418259
>Immigration has been proven to have causal positive effect on the economy, cope.
come again?

>>15418259
So are you lying or just that dumb?

Wages =/= income, most income of elites is from skewed capital gains, not wages.

>>15418342
>using leftist propaganda to spread misinfo about wages
lel, enjoy being as retarded as tankies
>>15418288
Oh god, Denmark's immigration policies are retarded. An average American immigrant adds a net fiscal value of over $100k over their lifetime.

>>15418259
> cope
Trying to reason with democrats is a waste of time, just crush the skulls of those parasites until they stop moving.

>>15418452
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Fuck out of my board destiny cuck

>>15416717
racial diversity is never a good thing if it means that the native populations cant even afford to live in their homeland. in america that is often what happens, in california for example they bring in all these illegals or even just regular immigrants that work for peanuts which makes it harder for natives to compete. especially when the agenda actively pursues the removal of natives at any cost

>>15418452
It's not just Denmark it's everywhere brown people move to
https://sci-hub.se/https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/imig.12520

>>15418452
Low IQ people never add net fiscal value to an advanced society. Third worlders, like Democrats, have very low IQ. Every year Western countries decline because retards like you spend every waking moment pushing us toward suicide. Meanwhile, the East Asian countries that reject every inch of your social worldview continue to develop and improve. And you brainless morons will never have the self-awareness to connect the dots

>>15418607
>which makes it harder for natives
Natives of California that Whitey fucked over? Surprised you care about them. Yes, leave America, go back to your shithole, Europe.
>>15418615
African migrants are more productive than American Whites, on average. Your kind will die out very soon, chud.
>>15418652
>Low IQ people never add net fiscal value to an advanced society
True, which is why Democracts, the party that high IQ White people support (right wingers are supported by dumb rednecks -- fact!) vote to bring more productive people.
>East Asian countries that reject every inch of your social worldview continue to develop and improve
Huuuh? What is it, China, Japan, South Korea, all rapidly aging? By the way, China's economic growth is peanuts, in the last two years America's GDP per capita has grown well over a third of China's, lol The most racist of the bunch, South Korea, is in an even deeper asshole than ANY Western country, look at how few children each woman has.

You cant be someone who works in Biology and deny race is real I mean that would imply human DNA works differently from other animals which is completely ridiculous. Are the race equal? Of course not equality is a foreign concept of nature some races will be smarter some races will be stronger some races will have weird attributes like slants barely sweating for example and so on but equal absolutely fucking not and never ever

>>15418685
>Your kind will die out very soon
An organism that rejects his own group in favor of genetic aliens is defective.You are mentally ill.

>>15408465
You can dress it up all you like, all i know is that nature teaches you that you are strongest and the best strategy for your "ethotribalism" to succeed is to have the interests of your tribe/pack/group or species at the core of your interests as that is how you pass on your genes. All mammals who congregate in groups do this and they protect their groups with violence and you can try to quantify and philosophize this all you want, the truth of the matter is this transcends the human mind. So called Racism is just a smear to stop you from protecting your own interests and is inherently inhumane.
Here is an example of a group of mammals acting naturally to protect their group from outsiders, they have no reasons as to why, they just do instinctively. Humans who think they are somehow on another level of thinking to this are quite frankly deluded into thinking they are something special, which we are not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp9eqRQsyUA

>>15418685
>Your kind will die out very soon
See, why no simply say this from the start? Why do you bother spending an entire thread lying knowing that we know that you are lying?

>>15418685
>African migrants are more productive than American Whites, on average.
No they aren't, on average.

Oh an immigration doesn't help against population aging.
cope

>>15407650
>It is (1) because they are ideologically driven to ask certain questions but ignore other, logically-related ones, and why they probe at these questions from certain angles but not others, thereby gathering data with a systematic bias (or disingenuously manipulating the data in order to support their racist hypotheses)
No doubt, this occurs, and history will embarrass all liars.

>(2) the ignoble conclusions they try to support with this data due to their underlying personal support of tribalism.
There is no place for (ig)nobility to temper scientific, rational discussions in themselves. I thought this was established eons ago. Ignoring the fact that you probably can't prove your bias is any better, you are outnumbered. This immediately outsources (even more) power over knowledge production to people who don't even nominally care about it. The fact that the scientific community, and any community of thinking people, is slipping again into tolerating censorship, merely because the majority therein has different values, is sad and pathetic. Even during the condemnations of the 13th century, this behavior was not so widespread, right at the beginnings of its formal history.. The longer you continue to allow this, you will keep losing- do you think the politically motivated care about how you describe yourself; that you recognise race, but are not a racist, bla-bla-bla in the hundreds of pages? They don't. They never did. They never will. You won't be able to claim double truth, either.

>>15418926
Woah there, buddy, humanity exists because we didn't commit to ethnic purity.
>>15419298
Why not actually address any of the arguments? Why spread false narratives about migration and diversity when you can just say "I hate people who aren't like me"? Coward.

>>15419868
What narrative did I spread? That was my first post I am not any of the Anons he replied to. I am simply calling out anti-White hate and racism as I see it.

Of course I hate people that hate me, that's an easy one. I'm not a low IQ coward cuck like you.

>>15419868
>humanity exists because we didn't commit to ethnic purity.
What is humanity? There are three distinct homonids of different species. They share different alleles of the same genes with each other, but do not share the same genes with the other groups.

Their mixing is a very recent phenomenon and its clearly producing dysgenic subspecies with disaligned alleles which are more akin to hybrid animals than a mixed race of the same species. Oh, and they lowered fertility rates too. This is why no one worries about it.

>>15419906
>Their mixing is a very recent phenomenon
Not true, just as your empty assertion that we are different "species". You don't even know what an allele is.

>>15419913
>Not true
It's true.

>>15407650
I can't believe I read that word salad. There's literally no arguments against the hypothesis that there could be biologically explained differences in intelligence between racial groups. Then again, he never explicitly denies the possibility either, so this blogpost has nothing to do with what most people would consider race realism.

Instead, he mostly debunks ethno-tribalism and rightfully points out that the notion of "races" is blurry at best.

>>15419868
>humanity exists because we didn't commit to ethnic purity
If you are referring to inbreeding your argument helds no ground because white people where just fine in that regard before the mass imigration.In fact we have places like Iceland with where isolated with small populations for hundreds of years and yet as far as i am aware it's a nicer place to live in than Brazil.

>>15420288
>we have places like Iceland
And? Look at humanity as a whole. It's clear as day that we've always intermingled in different ways. I mean, look at another island nation, the English, who created modern American racism that's all about muh White race, are mutts who didn't exist as its own group a thousand years ago.

>>15418685
natives hardly populated california in the first place. the plains are more a tragedy since now we just use all that once beautiful land to feed niggers of different colors across the planet

>>15408523
You are mistaken if you think the author is a leftist of that sort. His "true left" is national socialism. You can pretty easily get to his other site from the relevant blog- however, a lot of the content is currently inaccessible, for whatever reason, so one has to use the Internet Archive.
http://aryanism.net/

>>15408459
And what about person by person competition? Every ingrown has guys trying to co.pete with each other. Truth I'd humans practice a sort of everybody vs everybody competition. It's probably why we are so smart as a species. Everybody is constantly trying to do better than others around him. It's what make polticis so insane.

>>15408975
All wars are justified. Power and force often times proves what is right and wrong.

>>15416433
Other humans. Humanities biggest competition comes from other humans. When arabs move into Europe they are competing with Europeans. When Europeans move into Africa they are competing with them. When blacks and Asians and spics move into america. They are a direct compeition with white americans for jobs and women and culture and government positions.

>>15417817
Spics do better in latin america. Lots of maual labor jobs. No cops to stop fights which are common. Corrupt assholes living under corrupt assholes. Latin America is perfect for the sub 92 iq population. Hell even smart spics and the white ones do really well.

>>15420446
Irrelevant to the discussion.If you like racial mixing so much move to Brazil.Don't push your xenophilia on others.

>>15418652
But it wouldn't be that big of a deal if we simply got rid of the Welfare state. Dumb spics and blacks could just starve in the ghettos while the productive ones defend themselves with guns and a active police force. Workers can go work and enjoy life while the too dumb to work types die off. It's the welfare state that pays these morons to keep reproducing.

>>15418722
Yup. Equality doesn't exist in nature. We are all different. But certain groups are very different from other groups. It's basic evolution. Even smart blacks and spics look around and see how useless an dshitty most poeple of their race are. It's why they all marry whites or Asians and get away from their own kind.

>>15419356
Even if it did. Is the western world suppossed to just import the entire 3rd world to keep growing the population? Of coarse not. Westerners need to start breeding again. How? Well that's the million dollar question isint?

>>15419906
Ummmmm what? Latinos overall are the most mixed group in the world. Really high fertility too.

>>15420759
latinos can hardly be clasified as a group since they vary so much by region. latinos in one region may be 80%+native on average while others are mystery meat mutts. many will also tend to just be half and half of native, euro, and/ or black. so what latinos are you talking about? it could just be the negro mutts propping up the average

>>15420759
No? Their TFR is below replacement. They are probably the only under developed region that has below replacement level fertility naturally and not as a result of BC and family planning.

heh

Observe niggers. Dissect niggers. Vaccinate niggers. Accelerate niggers to relativistic speeds. Smush niggers between giant Petri dish plates. Dessicate a nigger in calcium sulfate. Find the Gibbs free energy of a nigger in an oil drum. Experimentally validate the bulk modulus of a nigger heads. Ionize niggers. Use niggers as neutron moderators. Enroll niggers in Ivy League schools without scholarships. Force niggers to solve the Landau problems. Terraform Africa into a cotton field. Watch niggers evolve... I'll wait.