/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15394967
>This means that all of our equations and "laws" are not explaining how reality actually works. Rather, they are a language to describe how we perceive spacetime.
This is why even when you try to apologize to Einstein "spacetime" is still fucking hoodoo. Maybe everything he did was a hoax.

>>15394967
/sci/ should have a minimum IQ requirement

>>15394967
Wow. Numbers and words are symbols. Great work anon.

>>15394986

Numbers are symbols of what?

>>15394967
>math is a language
Everybody who I ever heard say this was a pseud. No one, absolutely nobody during my Math degree ever said this.

>>15395096

>No one, absolutely nobody during my Math degree ever said this.

LOL what a surprise

Language is the expression of ideas. Math is simply our expression of the ideas of the world that we form from our experience (perception).

What else would it be?

>>15395096
that’s because modern math is a religion that started with the ancient Greeks, especially Plato. You can’t question any of it or you’re a crank. We’ve never seen infinite sets or undefinable numbers but they’re totally real!

>>15394967

>Rather, they are a language to describe how we perceive spacetime.

Jep. And a rather shitty language it is.

>>15394967
what is even your point? are you another idealism shill?

>>15395847

The point is simply a reminder to not lose the forest for the trees. Don't ascribe any meaning to our mathematical equations and laws. Always keep in mind what they actually are. Practically useful, yes, but nothing beyond that.

>>15394967
Imagine a thought experiment. One billion men are blindfolded in separate rooms with no external stimulus or information. They are wearing earphones shutting out all noise except the commands of a voice talking in the ear phones. They are told they are taking part in a candy taste test experiment. They are each told to hold out their hands to receive a piece of candy. They eat the candy and then are given another candy and allowed a few minutes to reflect on which candy is nicer. None of the test subjects know there are other subjects. 999,999,999 people are given two similar candies and form opinions based on the test. The unlucky billionth man, randomly selected from all men receiving candy is not given candy and is instead shot in the head with a shotgun at point blank which decapitates and kills him instantly.

In the idealist framework that everything is just your thoughts and thoughts create existence thie can't happen. The man decapitated by the shotgun wasn't thinking anything about getting killed by a gun. He was thinking about eating candy. The gun and his death were not present in his mind, he is thinking about chocolate or peppermint, not lead and decapitation. His unawareness of the shotgun, unfortunately will not save him from the reality of the shotgun.

Idealists can't account for events like this and when you start trying to apply their ideology it is not hard to make contradictions and paradoxes because idealism is incorrect and nonsensical.

>>15396224

You are beyond retarded and do not understand idealism at all.

Idealism does not mean that reality does not exist. You're confusing it with solipsism.

Go back to square one and start over.

>>15396196
>nothing beyond that
What's a higher level of usefulness than practically useful?

>>15396224
Retard. Idealism doesn't mean that reality is created by any particular mind. Grifters do associate idealism with mind, consciousness and such to create such delusions that can plausibly be denied. In other words: philosophers, guru's and especially 4chan retards play a motte and baily game.
In contrast, I propose that the only reasonable definition of idealism is that there's one thing that appears as everything, like a computer screen appears as a universe of time, space, matter, Earth, people etc.

>>15396263

That's up to you to decide. You have to generate your own meaning.

>>15394967
Yes we are just unlooped demagnets in the matrix
>revealed to me in my nightmare vision

>>15394967
Well done anon, you are one step closer to enlightenment

>>15395096
I have a degree in math and it is 100% a language

>>15396224
You need better thought experiments because this one is word salad that makes no sense.

>>15394967
True and real. Although it doesn't matter as long as they become instrumental in attaining higher purposes like power fucking bitches in the ass to make them cry.

>>15394967
>This means that all of our equations and "laws" are not explaining how reality actually works. Rather, they are a language to describe how we perceive spacetime.
No shit

>>15394980
Them you need heavier moderation like reddit

>>15396926

Yeah but scientists need reminding every now and then to temper their God complex.

>>15394967
Calling math a 'language' can be somewhat misleading, but the core idea is sound.
Math is a programming language.

>>15397464
>Yeah but scientists need reminding every now and then to temper their God complex.
Pandora wept.

>>15394967
All explanation must be, in some way, a description of a perception (the only way to objectively represent something would be to produce an exact copy of it). We construct scientific laws to explain the regularity found in nature. You can claim that this regularity is an illusion of the human mind, but that would be near-complete solipsism. Call it a "language", but it is a language that describes something which objectively exists.

>>15395186
Mathematicians question it all the time, but they're not retarded, so of course they would not agree with your line of questioning.

https://journals.biologists.com/jeb/article/224/6/jeb218289/237916/Neuroethology-of-number-sense-across-the-animal

>>15394967
1+1=2 is an objective truth, faggot.

>>15397880
>1+1=2 is an objective truth
Yeah, by Pure Math's arbitrary definitions, sure...but also under Pure Math's arbitrary definitions it totally doesnt and has proof papers to back it up too. Physics can fight you too. Wassup, you got a degree in Bull Theory or what?

>>15397880

Yes but only in a completely abstract sense. How you apply it to the spacetime universe is completely arbitrary.

Retards, OPs philosophy is NOT an idealist one you fucking morons. Saying math is a human construction and does not exist external to human minds is a form of mathematical constructivist or intuitionism which is materialism and empirical.
Saying mathematics actually exists is the platonic idealist stance.

Why is this board full of retards

>>15396224
God
(You the author)
Idealized the shot gun.
Matter itself is energy which itself is in circuit which itself is in sensorium of thought sensible to observation. An idealist is rhetorically superior to a materialist but any sound philosophy needs no scaffolding semantic trademark. Inanimate systems have placeholder agency.
Absurd mathematics like Benford's law, Viswinath's constant (golden ratio divided by the primes series), nonEuclidean spaces and Bayes Theorem, all of these imbue a cosmic agency that is absurdly idealist. The mystic is just but a heuristic in time related to unknown speculations on abductive reasons extended beyond physical instants. There mysticism demystified. But just because you're sober now doesn't mean you shouldn't lose the misty eye on pretty things like The Golden Ratio and the poetic nothings you could whisper to irrational women.

>>15398403
>mysticism demystified
But I was just going to sacrifice virgins !(not you)