/sci/ - Science & Math

TOTAL LAUNCHPAD DEATH

I really, really, REALLY like the Starship stream graphics. So much better than the current F9 graphics. I hope these become standard

>>15379966
>won't someone think of the beetles and plovers >https://futurism.com/wildlife-starship-explosion

An image from a perfect alternate universe

5000fps engineering camera footage when

>>15379978
We made it boys. Applause all around.

>>15379978
It still would’ve failed though, sadly.
People actually predicted that OFT-1 could’ve at least made it to stage sep by burning Superheavy for an extra minute. Despite the decreased thrust, the margins exist for contingency.
Then the HPU exploded and the engines became locked in their final orientations

Imagine Starship at night? Holy shit I’M COOMING

>>15379985
And also like a quarter of the LOX leaked out. And the thrust was very low overall anyway, barely reached 2000km/h with almost all of the fuel burned.

Surreal that it finally flew

Humans should migrate to more massive galaxy groups

>>15379987
I’ve heard that the LOX thing was actually untrue and a bad sensor. Same as SpaceX not picking up engines that obviously weren’t working. Take it with a grain of salt tho.

rocket science "success" seems to be more about massive explosions and crashes these days, i dont remember them celebrating over rockets exploding in midair in the 60s

>>15379993
That's because they were quite literally competing with Russia to make the best ICBM

reminder that the oft could've gone all the way to starship re-entry if they only launched from a proper launch pad with trenches

why couldn't they just let it flip until it ran out of gas

i'm sure it wouldnt' explode

>Don’t cry Anon. I can rest now

>>15379996
at least we got to test how robust the motherfuck is

>>15379993
>NASA is SpaceX

>>15379977
It is rather doubtful anything Starship could do would even remotely threaten the environment around the launchpad even if something blew up before clearing the tower. This isn't hypergolics and toxic metals like the early days of rocketry.

>>15379985
>>15379987
The HPU exploding and lox leak is almost certainly the result of them getting blasted to shit by roggs, I think it would have worked if the OLM wasn't retarded

>>15379983
bros....image the smell...

>>15379977
>futurism
>complaining about the environment
fucking fags

>>15380008
How the fuck will they build a flame diverter at Boca though?

>>15380011
They won’t, too difficult plus e*rthers. They will just put metal plates underneath the OLM and increase the water deluge system. It’s that or boat out to Cape Canaveral which nobody thinks they will allow.

>>15380011
They won't. They'll build something like cryo cooled steel plates and a big water deluge. It won't stop heavy damage, but it'll significantly lower damage enough to allow the stack to reach orbit and maybe be ready for another flight within 2 or so months, not 5-7. And after 3-5 flights, they'll start launching in Florida as well.

>>15379977
Use archive links, you faggot

https://archive.is/w5bV2

>>15380011
They won't, either some alternative solution like liquid cooled metal pipe pad and deluge system will work or it won't and boca will become a factory and ship starships to the cape

>>15380018
>>15380015
>>15380014
This or they finally follow through with that oil rig launch pad idea

>>15380020
They sold the rig

>>15380022
So buy it back, they got too cocky

>>15380020
They sold both rigs. They won't do sea launch probably until they've already launched dozens of times in Florida and are transferring to high cadence operations. For now though, they just need a solution that allows them to launch probably 2 more times from boca within the next 18 months so they can get NASA to let them launch from the cape.

>>15380017
Explain the reasoning. Is it to cuck shitty websites out of clicks?

>>15379993
Back in the 50s and 60s we blew up a shitload of ICBMs and early orbital rockets, it just wasn't publicized.

>>15380011
they will have to if they expect to land on pad or anything like that
I was skeptical of that extreme rapid reuse and the test shows we probably won't see that until the end of decade (if ever)
>>15 already 380020
I can't imagine oil rig surviving the full blast
it would have to be custom build from ground up

>>15379993
SLS put Orion around the moon and was a stunning success by all measures but we don't have ledditors basedgaping over it. It's just a SpaceX thing.

Maybe the real Starship was the friends we made along the way

How should I get tiles to attach to this bird? 3D print or should I just buy small basic hex tiles and glue/cut them to the ship.

>>15380020
Rigs stopped making sense when mechagodzilla became a thing, they unironically underestimated the size and complexity of their launch complexes. They were still legbrained but now they’re chopstickpilled
Maybe when they’ve sorted it out and finalised a design they’ll go back to it. The costs of just owning, maintaining and berthing those platforms use to be quite high, especially since they didn’t know what to do with them yet.

>>15380011
What if they just dug a really deep hole in the center and let it fill in with ground water? Can't damage the pad if there's no pad to damage

>>15379996
> builds expensive pad with fancy trenches
> water suppression
> ruds on the pad anyway
well that was a waste of time
time to build a new pad

>>15380043
>flash vaporizing a pool of water with rocket engines

>>15380039
SLS crippled American spaceflight almost unrecoverably.

>>15380043
>build an expendable turtle sanctuary directly beneath the pad
Based. I don’t understand this reusable turtle meme

>>15380044
an explosion wont irreparably damage literal holes in the ground

>>15380041
cerakote + a cnc mill or a dremel

>>15380041
hexagonal punch and dies for modeling
where do you think you'd find hex tiles in scale?

>>15380046
Funny way to spell Commercial Crew Program.

>>15380042
Yeah, they won't start preparing for sea launch again until they have a good understanding of what they need for infrastructure capable of supporting rapid reuse.

>>15380050
Idk online.

I think its possible SpaceX already had a good idea of the amount of pad damage that would occur, even assuming no RUD at ignition, and already are prepared to quickly began repair work as well as whatever type of system they have in mind to reduce damage caused at liftoff. It might really only take like 4-5 months until next launch.

>>15380051
If Commercial crew didn't exist, american launch capacity would be a couple of centaurs, some still unlaunched paper rockets, and the ISS would be scrapped due to no way to get Americans in space.

>>15380044
> ruds on the pad anyway
the main contributing factor for the test's rud was because of flying shit that wouldn't have been there had they had a flame diverting trench

>>15380049
It’s not like I’m making the tiles out of metal, I’d really just be gluing on some small tiles, why would I need a dremel if they’re cut out/made before hand?

Would it really hurt for Starship to have landing legs, at least for the first few years of operation?
This flight has shown that even “nominal” situations can fuck up the pad

>>15380058
>Private industry are the only ones capable of creating a man rated rocket.

>>15380011
>>15380015
>>15380018
Surely a thick metal plate should be sufficient. If it burns through, make it thicker.

>>15380061
*Superheavy
Fuck I meant Superheavy. Would it really hurt for SpaceX to skip tower catch for now and just land them like Falcon 9s?

>>15379966
Daily reminder that rocketry is literally an archaic technology and mass ejection propulsion systems will be the reason this primate species remains forever stranded on this rock (and extinct in the not too distant future).

>>15380044
>build shitty pad
>pad obliterates the rocket

actively cooled metal plate so we could boil water for electricity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D56n3d7vAXc&t=12049s
Clear did the fucking math wow

>>15380065
>muh chinese gunpowder
I'd love to find out how many fire crackers shoved up the ass of a chinaman it takes to make him pop.

huge ass vapor chamber + huge ass copper tubes then have it all water cooled

I hate nic ansuini god DAMN he has such amazingly framed photos yet he FUCKS THEM UP EVERYTIME WITH POSTPROCESSING WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS EVEN

>>15380068
She's so wonderfully autistic.

>>15380066
No, no, no, you don't get it bro, literally no one has ever made a launch pad that didn't self destruct at rocket launch so the SpaceX pad disintegrating is actually good because the data will let them build a state of the art rocket pad that will be the first to not explode at launch.

>>15380068
>Clear beating hullo to the punch

I kneel

>>15380068
What is the y axis measuring exactly? Not watching the video

>>15380068
luv ria

>>15380057
It does kind of seem like they anticipated some damage because they had bought hardware to improve the pad and didn’t install it before the test

>>15380077
read the manga

>>15380068
>a simple graph is hard math
This was already done by people on twitter, simp

>>15380080
They anticipated total pad destruction (they planned to move spare tower parts from florida)

>>15380074
silence fool! science is about billion dollar failures! keep putting your hopes into our bullshit while everything around you becomes woke garbage!

>>15380082
ok twitter troon

>>15380082
why are you so mad, foxfucker?

Marsship will have legs.

>>15380084
Wow /pol/ really has broke a lot of young men with emotional issues. Schizoid or schizotypal do you reckon?

>>15380086
Because the fox will never be real and spaceflight related like Clear. Lmao.

>>15380085
>/vt/umor calling someone a tranny
Pottery, but you have to go back

>>15380008
Both HPUs exploded, probably all the hydraulic fluid ran dry and the pumps oversped into oblivion. Either the concrete fragged both hydraulic lines or one of the engines that ate shit fragged the lines. I really doubt they installed hydraulic fuses on this test vehicle either.

>>15380100
that's the biggest black pill of all

>>15380009
Methane is odorless. Oxygen as well. Even the combustion products are. The smell would be that of the swamp.

>>15380107
i doubt you can even imagine it

Unironically the easiest solution to SpaceX's OLM problem is to lift up the launch table and make the OLM legs 3x taller, then move the BQD and SQD higher up the tower. Maybe even making the tower itself higher

I always thought superheavy was wayyyyyyy to close to the ground for how long and strong the Raptor exhaust is. The engines getting damaged by concrete doesn't surprise me at all

>Animefags still mad at the Krystalfag because he can draw better than them and because his forced meme is actually humorous rather than just pure off-topic spam
lol, lmao even

>>15380109
Do mobile cranes go that high or will they have to build a crane for that tower extension?

>>15379966
whats up people
we are going btw

How many times was Musk planning onusing his recyclable moon rocket anyway?

I'm sure there is a reason but what would happen if there was a giant tub of cheap non newtonian fluid under the launch mount?

>>15380109
>I always thought superheavy was wayyyyyyy to close to the ground for how long and strong the Raptor exhaust is. The engines getting damaged by concrete doesn't surprise me at all

Ditto and anons called me dumb "muh super congrete :DDDD" Nigger it's like lighting two Saturn Vs 10 meters or whatever off the ground, I don't give a shit what conrete you use, it's gonna get fucked.

>>15380110
Samefagging yourself is cringe you furry fuck

>>15380118
it would turn into newtonian powder or dust

>>15380108
I guess a swamp smells like rotting vegetation. I worked in greenhouses when I was young so I think I can imagine.

>>15380117
>Lowest IQ post in the thread from the lowest IQ SEAnig fanbase.
Pottery.

Reposting kino from SpaceX twitter. Hoping they'll post more on flickr soon

https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1649172873494556679/mediaviewer

>>15380121
I'm a third party speaking the truth and crying samefag when the anime schizo is the biggest samefag this general has ever seen is just sad.

>>15380110
Drawfag here, Thanks anon, i'm glad some here are enjoying my work. My favorite reply to this gets to decide what I'll draw this week.

>>15380131
The Schizo was easily the biggest Samefag since he just copy pasted other peoples posts to have conversations with himself
You’re both retarded though. This is like the downie version of solar vs nuclear retards of yore

>>15380110
>>15380142
samefag

John Kraus

>>15380147

>>15380147

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>>15380151
nice photoshop and vpn retard. nice slamming your keyboard on the second png. it's obvious you're using the same program to screenshot

>>15380145
So it’s like spinchuds vs wellchads fights of now?

That reminds me, is the samus-poster still among us?

>>15380152
This is bordering on schizophrenia all I wanted was suggestions on what to draw anon

Erik Kuna

>>15380151
>>15380150
I’ve seen you do this before, someone calls you out for samefagging then you post two screenshots with separate (You)s consecutively. We all know what Inspecf Element does you dumb nigger, you’re not fooling anyone

>>15380153
Those were at least on topic and ironic in their vitriol rathe that… whatever this cancer is.

>>15380152
It’s not photoshop or vpn you dumb fuck it’s called inspect element and snipping tool

>>15380142
>>15380155
Stop being an attention whore and derailing the thread. Yes the other guy is a schizo retard but that doesn’t mean you aren’t being a faggot.

>>15380160
looks like we know who the real autismo is now. holy moly it's you my dude

>>15380157
Oh and don’t forget the changing of the hour just to make it a bit more convincing. Doesn’t work the first time, nor the second dumb fuck

>>15380159
>>15380157
>retard doesn’t know what a timestamp is
Many such cases

>>15380157
So within seconds I can photoshop or inspect element different time zones, different font, different monitor resolutions, and disable 4chanX? Take your meds

>>15380161
whoops that was meant for >>15380159

>>15380162
>retard doesnt know what posting from two different IPs at the same time is
you're see through

I'm actually every post in this thread. Even (You).

>>15380162
see >>15380163, time stamp can also be editted with inspect element, anything on the page can. We are not stupid enough to fall for this. Fuck off

>>15380167
Oh and change VPNs
>>15380170
>we
Kek

>>15380169
All me

>>15380170
>>15380168
This is genuinely the worst breakdown since the equation

Trevor Mahlmann

>>15380115
How are you, anon? Lovely post-Starship era we are living in

Can't the mods see that were separate people?

Everyone who uses MS snipping tool is the same person and it's not because I'm butt hurt or anything

>>15380044
>how was I suppose to know that exploding concrete would ruin my rocket?!

>>15380180
>>15380181
are you scared? obvious

what upgrades do the new starship models have? has anyone seen the changes they've made?

speed

>>15380180
Unless you use separate devices with two different IPs but samefagging isn't even against the rules which is how the anime schizo has managed to get away with it for years

When did the newfags show up?

>>15380184
>>15380172
>>15380170
>>15380169
>>15380168
>>15380161
>>15380159
>>15380157
>>15380155
>>15380154
>>15380152
>>15380149
>>15380142
>>15380136
All me btw

>>15380192
As soon as the thread was made, when we’re under the bump limit we’re always the first thread they see

Bros... all I wanted were art suggestions.

>>15380197
just fucking be creative by yourself for one second

now that starship failed spectacularly, what's the new meme launcher?

>>15380197
How about you kill yourself, furry.

>>15380197
Fuck off krystal nigger. Draw Starship Chan in the hand from >>15380041

>>15380201
New Armandaleg from Blue Urine aka Blue Pee

>>15380201
It was certainly spectacular, but still theyre miles ahead of any other memelaunch company. No new one

>>15380197
I too am a semi popufur nsfw artist, I'll take the mantle if you quit

>>15380117
from the leaked memo he was expecting 2 launches a month to break even

>>15380197
Don’t attention whore dude, you’re borderline avatar fagging
Post OC, avoid drama, don’t try to be a thread personality.

>>15380201
BO heavy launch vehicle in 10 years

>>15380208
He could always public sale a portion of SpaceX if money were an issue

Who makes Starship-chan drawings? We need a mini version like the Starship torch

>>15380186
Electric TVC. No big HPUs which means that the cause of death for B7 shouldn’t be an issue anymore.

Apparently CSS dropped a video yesterday before tha launch, long time since I watched one of these but might be good for a few laughs
If you get upset by people saying dumb shit don't watch it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjMTitvc82E

I want to take this opportunity to thank Elon. With everyone watching Starship I was able to start a conversation with someone and make a new friend at work. Thanks man.

>>15380218

>>15380179
I hope the semi-succesful test makes it easier for SpaceX to ram through redtape quicker with the help of parties that are interested in Starship
this should also make it easier for payload companies to get funding from investment capital

>>15380217
i dont want negativity in my life anon

>>15380219
Oops wrong image

>>15380219
Why are post-2016 reaction images so disgusting…I miss epic troll face and shoopdawhoop

>>15380202
Masturbating to anthropomorphic fox girls is actually less cringe and autistic than masturbating to anthropomorphic rockets, and that's just a fact.
>>15380197
You have to understand that a large percentage of /sfg/ is so autistic that any conflict makes them irrationally angry and they'll strike out at both parties regardless of who was in the right, even if you're just defending yourself or stating that you're not who they're alleging you to be.

>>15380218
you talked about starship?

>>15380062
Apparently, yes. At least in the US nowadays.

I’m like 90% sure SpaceX doesn’t install a diverter and instead just uses a deluge

>>15380218
Very nice hat anon :)

>check on spaceguy5 for lawls
>40 odd posts seething in the last 13 hours
Can’t even be fucked to read it at that point
Reminder that this dude claims to work on the HLS program for NASA

>>15380216
how does an electric thrust vectoring solve the problem of the launch pad being obliterated, launched debris destroying multiple engines and possibly causing a LOX leak

>>15380224
Cooming to rockets is as based as it gets. Why are you even here otherwise?

>>15380229
Key word is claimed, thanks for letting me know who to block

>>15380230
Lox leak didn’t kill the ship though and it’s also unconfirmed. Losing 3 engines at startup also wasn’t a death sentence. Losing the HPUs did it in

>>15380217
>common incensed septic
thank you, but no thank you

>>15380225
Yes, we both thought it was neat. I had to hide my power level though so I didn't sperg out though lol

>>15380236
thank god new versions won't use HPUs

enjoy this leaked photo from just before detonation

>>15380229
>Muskrat is a twatter user obsessed with literally whos
the jokes write themselves lmao

>>15380239
It also puts into perspective how old B7 was in starship terms. It’s Raptors were built a year ago and were among the first Raptor 2s

>>15380227
I think so too.

Will it really take more than 2 months to install the deluge? S26 and B9 are already almost ready for their engines, aren't they?

I don't feel as doomer as everybody else

>>15380240
implessive

>>15380241
This dude has been a lawlcow for years now. I just like seeing how people seethe and or cope.

>>15380240
Stage 1 FTS already went off here

>>15380240
Um akschully this is at detonation. That big cloud is booster prop.

>>15380231
It only becomes based when you're sneaking into Starbase to try to fuck Starship, masturbating to some crudely drawn anime version is proof you don't truly love it

Berger no longer has le cheque

>>15380245
I don’t know. But they can at least get some of B9/S26 testing done.
I cannot wait to see the seethe if SpaceX just patches the hold and skips the diverter

>>15380248
>>15380249
im sorry i assumed wrong. this is what i get for being fucking dumb

>>15380240
Imagine what it would feel like inside an exploding rocket.

>>15380250
it's just a misfiring of the same neurons, anon

Honestly Booster 7 was a fucking trooper it’s insane how much abuse she survived.

>>15380251
>he’s a 2
Based and 2pilled. The 1s can cope and seethe and the 5s will mald as always.

>>15380255
I bet my ass would hurt. Big time

>>15380257
>she
He. Manly things are he

>>15380218

What boosters and Starships are at Starbase currently? When are they launching again?

>>15380247
>lolcow
>0 likes or comments
sounds like an obsession

>>15380261
I fuck men. It's a she

>>15380227
Weren't there already parts labeled "Flame Diverter" spotted a Starbase a week or two ago?

>>15380251
>Homer Hickam quote

fuck homer. boomer ass oldspace MAGA faggot blocked me on twitter because I told him to shut the fuck up about Donald Trump once.

>>15380261
Would you want to be inside a man?

>>15380268
Is this a bait post

>>15380263
They literally have too many.
Boosters 9 and 10 are done
Ships 26 and 27 are done
Booster 11 to 13 and Ships 28 to 30 are at various points of construction

I just want everyone to know I found an archive of hundreds of rocket girls from a single artist and it's actually pretty good quality girls. Do you have any rockets you like? I'll check if they are there

>>>/g/92914870
/g/ is laughing...

>>15380272
No, I'm just a self aware butthurt libtard who loved the movie October Sky when he was a kid.

>>15380274
Send link

>>15380275
So?

>>15380274
has anyone ever made a red arrow rocket girl?

>>15380278
how do people living on mars improve my life in any measurable way

>>15380266
Yes.

>>15380252
Everyone seems to be saying either 6 months or 1 year from now

The only stuff that got damaged from what I could see was the concrete. The important bits all got big fuckoff armor plates installed over them prior to launch. I think the only three things preventing the next launch are
>refilling the concrete and cleaning Starbase
>installing a massive deluge for the pad
>finishing up the flaps and engine tests for the next booster/ship set

>>15380277
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/88213069
you can find on twitter too. here is N1-chan being pouty. she lost the mantle today

>>15380275
/g/ is retarded and unironically leftpol

>>15380286
nakadashi

>>15380217
>why didn't he just make a better version of the shuttle?

I don't like Elon but c'mon now.

>>15380285
That’s what I see too, but we’ll just have to wait and see.

>>15380286
Fuck, that's cute. Thanks, anon.

Fuck it. One struggle.

>>15380281
Not that I know, but it likely exists at least somewhere

>>15379998
>recover spacecraft by letting it run out of fuel and crash into the sea
why isn't felon husk taking full advantage of this new era of rust belt spaceflight

>>15380285
The tank farm is fucked up so bad that one of the lox tanks has a leak. I'm not saying they can't fix it rapidly but saying that the pad is the only thing damaged is cope

I know you post here sbarky, you dumb slut. Why dont you make nsfw art for once?

>>15380300

>>15380218
Good job anon, I'm happy for you

The idea that Musk rushed to launch a barely complete memeship because he wanted to beat Vulcan after already getting btfo by SLS and ended delaying the memeship even more by detonating the launchpad is immensely amusing to me and I 100% believe it.

>>15380286
Learn anatomy. your foot should not be larger than your head.

>>15380294
ML extra crispy

>>15380303
>>15380300
CRUMPLED
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>>15380302
Is this you?

>>15380238
Pfff I havent been able to hide my power level AT ALL. both my next-door neighbors, my parents, siblings, grandparents, friends, aquaintences, and coworkers are all well informed of the power of Starship. I was going full autismo all day long at work

>>15380294
>SpaceX niggers were calling this damage severe

>>15380286
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>>15380319
>self advertising your twitter

>>15380285
The need to check out and repair the tanks at least. No flaps or tiles for the next set, right?

>>15380319
no i do not post on twitter. But I appreciate your art very much

>>15380324
ok anon fine, tell us your twitter

>>15380307
Where did you get this schizo rrat from? Genuinely curious.

>>15380307
personally I think it was soft retaliation from engineers. Elon said "no deluge and no flame diverter and I wanna launch on 4/20" and wouldn't budge because he's a dictator sperg so everyone just said "I want it in writing that you can't fire me when shit gets fucked up" and gave him exactly what he asked for. Wouldn't be the first time.

>>15380330
why did you just reply to yourself?

>>15380327
>>15380324
Not even whozzit you mentioned or think I an. I went and checked out the page, it looks like a bunch of channels follow this artist, and I thought it was you since you just suddenly bring it up.

>>15380333
Channers*

Give me back launch day tourists any day over this cringe blogging.

>>15380268
Based boomer. He sent some reply tweets with sovl to Elon and SpaceX wishing them the best before the launch.

>>15380329
>the idea that musk's ego would drive him to do retarded things like build a launchpad for a super heavy rocket without a flame diverter is schizo
I bet you thought that Starship was gonna be around the moon this year, didn't you?

>>15380332
huh?

Does anybody have the webm(s)?

>>15380340
>>15380330
Retarded retards

>>15380285
Both of these are symbols of a nuclear arms race really
Second one lead to the Cuba crisis and numerous events that got buried deep
Humanity won't survive to see the effects of global warming

>>15380330
>Source: my internalized EDS

>>15380338
I beg to differ

>>15379966
Why can't Elon Musk do what Nazis sixty years ago?

>>15380329
https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/moon-mars/a25374/spacex-delaying-mars-mission-until-2020/

You're right he'd never just make up some bullshit and lie to everyone

>>15380348
they needed data on how to build launch pads that don't disintegrate since no one had ever done that before so this was a success.

>>15380348
>>15380307
>>15380241
Way too obvious

>>15380350
I don't think that's the reason why.

>>15380330
There are diverter parts on site, your fanfic is shit.

>>15380117
>>15380241
>>15380286
>>15380293
>>15380307
>>15380348
OFT and it's consequences (tourists from /a/) have been a disaster for /sfg/

>>15380353
What does it look like?

>>15380353
>literally have diverter parts on site
>dont wait a couple months for installation and end up destroying your launch pad causing an ever longer delay

>>15380338
I like the blogging

>>15380353
Rate this fanfic: SpaceX wasn't sure that 33 engines wouldn't resonate and pogo themselves to death lifting off the pad, so they didn't install additional hardware that could be lost in a pad explosion.

>>15380353
the fact that there are diverter/deluge parts on site and Elon pressed for a launch anyways only proves my point, dipshit.

Is it true that a steel plate lined flame diverter would be melted by the exhaust?

I've seen a lot of people stating this as fact but my intuition is that an inch or two of steel plate would be enough to prevent any melting.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE WEBMS?

>>15380339
Today I got a real sense of who our friends are (those speaking up to wish SpaceX well/congratulate) and those who should have yet remained so silent.

>>15380348
What, blow up rockets in testing?

>>15380355
Why don't you complain about the furries? They spam their shitty art as well and you don't say shit. Now shut the fuck up and talk about spaceflight.

>>15380348
>Why can't Elon Musk do what Nazis sixty years ago?
Maybe because it was impossible after all, for Nazis to have overclocked their furnaces to burn at that rate in the first place. Musk cannot repeat it even if he wanted to because it never happened.

Okay jokes aside it is like apples and oranges, V2 was a ballistic missile, Starship and stage 0 was designed to be "the airplane of rockets," the bar is set really high and both have to be re worked ad nauseam to achieve the desired specs for that kind of rating. Especially on their Texas test site because lets face it, it exists as a demo for the entire operation nothing more, it will continue to change until it reaches the specs or fails.

>>15380368
because he is the furry
>>15380355
it's so true. we never had rocketgirls until today. fucking tourists GO BACK

>>15380340
Reddit tourist-chama... Spacex already beat vulcan, with Falcon 9 1.0 in 2010. Completely mogged that meme rocket with block 5 reuse in 2018...
It's owari for vulcan, and has been since announcement.
>>15380349
Twitter tourist-chama... That architecture that tabloid was talking about was entirely cancelled... They moved to an entirely different program... Might as well call Ares V or apollo 18 a "lie".

I can't believe NASA gave HLS contract to these retards who can't even sort the launchpad issues here on Earth, yet pretened they are going to the Moon and Mars.

They can't even launch it properly in its expandable version, so don't even begin dreaming about reusing Superheavy and Starship, they can't even fucking launch them undestroyed to orbit. Without reuse, there is no quick cadence needed for filling the orbital depot with tankers, and without full orbital depot, there is no Starship HLS going to the Moon even in its unmanned demonstration version.

>>15380364
i saved this one. i rarely save webms so it is probably good

>>15380373
>cost is everything tard

>>15380375
they were only chosen because Congress didn't give them enough money to choose literally anyone else.

>>15380375
>he doesn’t know about the suits
>he doesn’t know about the mobile launch tower

>>15380368
Because the images aren't accompanied by retarded takes like >>15380117 and >>15380348

>>15380380
Should have chosen no-one, literally NASA director should have written a letter to congress saying "They are ALL SHIT, we need the option to refuse them all and repeat the solicitation next year, when they present better variants".

why are you autists replying to obvious bait

https://youtu.be/gIIRTH_o5iM?t=4287
KEK AngryAstronaut channeling Walter Cronkite

>>15380383
>bringing up the mobile launch tower when starship just sent chunks of concrete into its tank farm on its first (failed) launch.

>>15380390
>he doesn’t know

>>15380384
>mfw Jews made normies like this spend trillions in exploding rockets because they think they will live on Mars

>>15380368
NTA but furries posting shitty art is supposed to be a meme, they don't claim they have a right to do it and then report anyone who tells them to fuck off while samefagging multiple replies so they can pretend there is some type of consensus in support of them when any rational person knows it off topic trash that only degrades the quality /sfg/

>>15380375
Don't worry. SpaceX could expend all their boosters filling up the depot with their current build rates. NASA doesn't exactly shit out SLS rockets in the Artemis program.

>>15380360
Of ITT's low IQ rrats, this is the best.
>>15380361
>N-no, evidence to the contrary only proves my point...
>>15380330
Picrel
>>15380378
No. Reliability is also important (Falcon wins, most reliable and trustworthy rocket in human history), availability (Falcon wins, one every week), total capacity (Falcon wins, via FT or FH), ease of purchase (Falcon wins, one a week), scheduling (Falcon wins, one a week)

>>15380376
It's good

Ok, guys, why SpaceX wouldn't just move all of their operations to the Cape right now. Like legit - right now? What stops them? Or there are some reasons they don't want to launch from Cape?

>>15380393
Poe's law. We fucked up bros :(

>>15380393
>supposed to be a meme
No. Stop pushing your fetish and claiming it's being done as a joke. Leave if you're not going to talk about spaceflight.

Verification not required.

>>15380300
Yeah this is probably the worst part so long as OLM foundations are ok, remember the massive fuck around to get this shit certified? It's probably going to be more work to fix and recertify the fucked tanks than just replacing them aka starting from scratch

Why can't they just build a better launchpad in Texas?

>>15380394
How much would it cost? Expending the superheavy and expensive tanker with all of their engines and electronics?
Because THE TANKER would be much more complicated than Ship 24, it would have docking mechanisms, solar panels, communications, orientation and all of this shit.

>>15380395
Funny how Vulcan has more payloads on its manifest than the Memeship, isn't it? Also funny how ULA are still launching Atlas's at roughly the same frequency pre-SpaceX despite SpaceX's launch rate. (Hint hint: they launch their own payloads because there aren't enough actual commercial payloads to support a re-usable rocket.)

>>15380387
It's an elaborate method of overwhelming the stock shorter spammer with unfiltered autism to keep SpaceSex publicly traded stock up high, in hopes that maybe one day Felon's lies come true so they can trade them in for the death of all Boca Chica beetles and as bribery for every FAA employee.
Btw yes the official currency of Mars will be shitcoin. Yes I am a 1.

>>15380403
Water deluge system discharging into protected wetlands / digging below the water table in protected wetlands. Permit fun.

>>15380399
It's not a joke.

>>15380412
IS THIS REAL?

>>15380360
>pad damaged but salvageable
>booster structure and engine clustering validated, no catastrophic issues
>flight terminated after hydrualics lost
Could've gone a lot worse like hitting the tower on the power slide and totalling the pad.
The booster just needed to burn another 70s or so to give Starship enough margin to reach Hawaii, but hydraulic lines drained out.
>>15380357
They could've just scrapped B7 and gone on to B8 with its electric TVC in another two months on top of that. Your mentality would result in never flying.

>>15380403
They are, can't you tell from that giant crater beneath the pad? Either the exhaust diverter will be a long shallow tube that outputs straight to the beach or ocean for maximum environmental destruction (Roesch told me this), or they will install a water cooled steel plate to finalize the flat exhaust diversion design, supplemented with the water deluge.
Alternate theory given by the csi starbase snitch is that SpaceX will buy or build extremely large offshore platforms, since their previous ones were too small and offshore eliminates the issue of fondag debris.

>>15380412
Zubrin

>>15380412
fuck this dude, i legit opened his twitter few month ago and its just filler with "KILL ALL THE RUSSIANS, NUCLEAR WAR NOOOOOOW, NOOOOOOOOOW, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!"

>>15380399
>Stop pushing your fetish and claiming it's being done as a joke.
It could be both. The difference is that some Krystal posting is mildly funny but in four years since /sfg/'s conception I've literally not once laughed at a rocket girl post or found the accompanying text insightful and they're not spammed at nearly the same rate so it's a false equivalence. Stop pretending you just want to talk about spaceflight when you're seething over this.

>>15380420
Based. Nuclear holocaust now

I just pooped my pants

>>15380300
>The tank farm is fucked up so bad that one of the lox tanks-
There, fixed it. Can we launch again now?

>>15380427
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHIT UP

>>15380426
Put a Starship in your pampers

I don't want to wait, just freeze me until the next launch attempt

>>15380376
TOTAL ENGINE DEATH

towa just farted
anyone else heard?

Launches aren't hitting like they used to, I'm already feeling it I need another.

>>15380417
The platforms were always a good idea for refuel (alongside the cape for crewed vehicles and payload launching), but they needed to validate the forces on launch. They believed that it'd be fine and now they know that it isn't fine, so now they know what to expect. I imagine that they'll go for another BC launch in six months.
What I'm interested in is in seeing what happens on the Cape, they might switch the pads around and launch Falcon from the new pad, while giving SS the Nova dimensioned pad.
>>15380406
>thundercuck talking points
Picrel

>>15380425
Thats the thing. For a guy who has his whole personality built on going to Mars, its against all of his intrests to plunge humanity into the nuclear war scenario, because it would set back our space colonisation plans for hundreds of years. Legit, countries would start targeting satellites with nukes, and spaceports would also become targets, every factory producing rockets would be destroyed, whole world would be filled with radiation and NO ONE WOULD GO TO MARS.
This guy should understand this and be pretty chill, anti-war, instead of advocating war to end human civilisation. And for what? for ukraine, eewwww, because out of all places this is the hill to die for, as if without ukraine there is no mars.

>>15380376
it looks so peaceful but it wreaked absolute havok on beetle habitat...

>>15380423
He kind of went off the rails back in 2011 when he re-released “Why we Must” as “The Case For Mars” and added this plot out of nowhere about why Elon is trying to get to Mars. The whole thing honestly felt like him pushing his fetish on the reader.

>>15380433
I would have been happy if it made it to orbit/past stage separation, since that's 90% of the fun stuff and they're not planning a landing burn for Starship anytime soon

Pulling a Kraken at 60km after a 2 year wait really sucks, even if it is better than no launch at all.

Stupid fucking OLM. They should have known it would destroy the engines and HPUs

>>15380435
He just hates Russians a lot, and he’s obsessed with freedom and deregulation and democracy so Ukraine becomes a frontier of democracy under threat from authoritarianism which destroys human progress. Just listen to any interview or speech he’s ever given

>>15380423
>The difference is that some Krystal posting is mildly funny

Fuck off and die samefag furry

>>15380441
Meant to reply to >>15380420

>>15380444
Didn't he used to shitpost at Rogozin a lot before he got sent to Ukraine?

good times

>>15380438
It is good for animals that we try to extract resources from the Universe instead of waiting for the gradual extinction of life

>>15380445
I'm not a furry but I have posted rabbits here before

>>15380450
I remember the wen hop era. Good times.

>thirdies are seething about spacex in threads on almost every board

wen lob?

>>15380444
>obsessed with freedom and deregulation and democracy

Lol, if he cares so much about democracy, why he went to China then just recently? The lack of voting rights didn't upset him there.

>>15380454
thirdies?
what the fuck

My poopy underwear stinks of shit. I fucking smell bad bros

>>15380453
You have to go back

>>15380223
They are a reflection of those that make and post them.

>>15380466
I'm trans btw

>>15380109
>>15380119
milk stools coupled with tower extentsion have been bought up already more times then one. Biggest thing with them is they must build a new crane system as the one they used to build this thing is already at its max limits on a global scale

It is by no fucking means "easiest" solution. Quite the opposite

>>15380435
he's simply a neocon jew i.e. an earther

Official /sfg/ meme rankings from best to worst:

>bunny posting
>dolphin posting
>Tom Muller bathroom posting
> Pepe/apu spaceflight memes
>stamps
> Krystal posting
>NASApone posting
> all other unspecified/ sfg/ memes
> two weeks posting
> garbage
>cubic kilometer
> cancer
>newfag tourists posting
> X is a spaceplane posting
> Zubrin posting
> rocket girl spam

>>15380201
if this is supposed to be a massive failure then what is your cope going to be when it eventually succeeds? Memoryhole?

>>15380483
Same thing they did when Falcon9 and Falcon Heavy became the most successful rocket ever.

Cope, then denial

https://twitter.com/CamBamJamFam/status/1649143290657140775

reposting SpaceX employees losing their shit, no sound makes the video kind of pointless so not going to rip them here

>>15380481
kys collagefag

>>15380345
>Humanity won't survive to see the effects of global warming
Nu-uh. Humanity wont survive women stop giving birth for some reason! Followed by le heckin nuclear ice planet based off 1980s hippies prophecies with a massive agenda

>>15380501
No, "we need a space board" posting would go in the cancer section but I don't consider it a meme

>>15380481
Haven’t seen the first 3 in a while but this is pretty accurate. Replace stamps with Zubrin though. ARCA posting goes right above rocket girl spam too.

>>15380481
>Tom Muller bathroom posting
wut

>>15380481
this but rocket girls at top spot
zubrin is high tier too

>>15380509
If you know you know

>>15380474
Go back to /pol/

>>15380512
please explain I've been away from this board for a while

all the newfags need to join the official /sfg/ discord btw
discord.gg/sfg

>>15380515
The meme is that we don’t explain the meme
But if you ever see mueller in a bathroom, just hold it in

>>15380515
go back to /pol/

>>15380454
>turdies
ftfy and yes, I detect heavy vatnik and wumao seethe specifically. Make a few yucks at their ancient Sojuz derivative nothingburgers and observe the reaction

>>>/wsg/15380491

How tingled is your autism when you see FTS activation conflated with RUD. Mine is very.

>>15380533
Well, the FTS activation wasn't in the scheduled flight, so it's still an unscheduled event.

>>15380466
> those who make them
anon it's literally slavbot factories who pump out wojaks, their whole life is sowing discontent in developed countries
this is what sucks about /sfg/ getting big, they'll devote more time to their psyops here instead of focusing on other boards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

>>15380511
>zubrin sniffing is low-brow content
I beg to differ

Apollo 17

>>15380553
https://vocaroo.com/16xtENCY4l8J

This guy buckbroke thousands of mars fanatics with just one article

https://idlewords.com/2023/1/why_not_mars.htm

>>15380009
just visit any cow farm

>>15379993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YFU4KaJSSc

>>15380011
surely there are ways to build pits in swamps?

>>15380550
I was going to ignore this off topic retardation but jannies wont do a thing so I'll declare it. The 'Jaks are being made on a splinter site, it is that simple.
You lunatics have an entire website, hell, Internet, to frolic with impunity and it is still not enough you MUST destroy every single general like sfg by injecting yourself as usual. Fuck off and at least let the usual circlejerks take place like spaceplane autism or meta discussion about self referential humor, not your revolting self absorbed narc bullshit. Fuck off seriously.

Is the road still closed because of the LOX leak?

>>15380300
>they were so focused on reusable rockets they didn't think about reusable launch infrastructure.

>>15380583
>where should we put this giant expensive ass fragile tank farm
>idk just put it right next to the launch pad, it'll lower pipe costs

>>15380376
How did so many engines fail? I can understand the initial blast took a few out, but what about the later ones.

Okay but can SpaceX just surround the exposed tanks in a giant structural shell similar to the Chernobyl reactor?

>>15380591
Sure but they're still gonna have to fix or replace them, both of which are probably going to take a similar amount of time as the initial installation did.

>>15380560
I've read it. His argument is immediately invalidated by the fact that if he were in charge when europe was at it's height, nowhere would have been colonized. Wanting to go to mars isn't a religion, it's part and parcel of the most fundamental urges of any given lifeform.

>>15380587
at least 3 blow up mid-flight

>>15380600
>Wanting to go to mars isn't a religion, it's part and parcel of the most fundamental urges of any given lifeform.

I think these poor Indians might disagree. Bet if they offered a warm meal or to go a distant cold planet without any vegetation where their life would totally depend on the technology working - i bet they would just pick the good old meal. Going to Mars is just some luxury you begin to care about after you live in a priveledged cozy society that pampers you all the time and provides you all basic needs due to high GDP around you, so you have free time to larp as a white explorer in your daydreams, without ever leaving the comfort of your room.

>>15380607
That's a fair argument so I'll reword anons post for him

>it's part and parcel of the most fundamental urges of any given human

>>15380423
yeah, the meme is you post a fake official twitter of somebody space related or a pdf of a fake leak and get fox tits instead
it's bait and switch - a rickroll variant, if you want

a lot of animu posters are just avatarfagging

>>15380600
If you check his about page you will see that he is a Polish immigrant yet calls himself American despite not passing through the filter event that forged the nation, for this I cite the mighty tome of Albion's Seed. It is ridiculous, poles did not colonize America, his lineage went through no such strife. What would he know about it? It is not etched into his blood: this is the fundamental issue, and Zubrin wrote that Mars is yet another filter, this principle carries over to Mars and it will be beautiful, if circumstance allows.
>>15380587
8 engine failures seen from multiple perspectives.
>>15380607
>Your logically sound investment into long term familial security, derived from your own surplus, is invalid because poor indians exist.
Lol delusional

>>15380607
All the more reason to bottleneck earth cultures who couldn't figure shit out in 15,000 years.

>>15379966
reminder that the steel on the OLM took the launch no problem, but the concrete failed

>>15379966
The record for the most engines fired at once still stands at 31.
There will *never* be 33 engines lit simultaneously. You hear me? NEVER

>>15380217
I didnt like Elons speaking ability, but it was tolerable
CSS on the other hand infuriates me

>SpaceX is actually a leader in space. Elon just doesn't have anything to do with running the company and accidentally hired a bunch of extremely competent people to run it

>>15380376
Being able to see into the engines was completely unexpected. It's like how sci-fi space engines tend to be portrayed.

>>15380637
Clearly wrong given this shitshow that has more or less evolved while he has been working on birdshit app.

Some things i will say is pure speculation. My 2c of yesterday launch :

-SpX wont install any type of flame trench or any other hole into the ground. Why ? First its very difficult , second its very time consuming and third it will imply tons and tons of paperwork and approvals from the govs

-What they are planning ? Concrete base + Actively cooled steel plate + water deluge system .

-THEY NEED to get at least another Starship off the ground (and be successful ) before the end of the year per NASA . They also need 3 more successful launches to be allowed to launch from the Cape

-The Raptor 2's in the booster were old as fuck, probably made in the first 50th batch .

-Thanks god the HPU's are gone

-What saved SpX yesterday from a horrible disaster is the kevlar shielding of the engines . B4/S20 would have exploded on the pad 100%

-How much delay for the next launch ? Im not that pessimistic as other people but also not optimistic . Between 3 to 6 months

-The fact that it flew at some point with 8 engines down and no TVC because of the HPU's , gives me hope for the next flight.

>>15380642
They had sims no doubt of what it would do to the ground station, but they also didn't know if 33 boosters would just kerbal pad explode from vibrations so they said fuck it and full sent. Better to get the dynamic spinning shit show RUD first than later in the program.

>>15380645
>-THEY NEED to get at least another Starship off the ground (and be successful ) before the end of the year per NASA


What happens if they can't launch again this year?

Frankly considering the OLM legs didn't melt they might just not need to have actively cooled steel plates. But they could inject more water into the engines exhausts this will lower velocity and temperature greatly

someone last threat mentioned a Soviet system where there's a metal tube at 45 degrees to the exhaust through which water flows? Can someone sauce me up with that system?

>>15380645
What if Actively cooled steel plate explodes?

>>15380662
You can't risk creating droplets of molten steel going in every direction. Just over-engineer it and put some sort of cooling

>>15380660
1) Musk sends out another FURIOUS internal memo about bankruptcy, sugar, donuts, and paperclip counting, or something
2) NASA stretches the timeline because they can
3) Another lander selected for the moon in the stead of Starship (idk if that is even possible to do in time), not sure about how a contract dissolution would go down in regard to the funding.

Oh but Mars missions can happen without the moon.

>>15380670
Even if they changed the contract they would be better jerry rigging a moon mission on Dragon infrastructure than any currently available company.

>>15380662
But the floor is perpendicular to the engine exhaust, while the legs aren't, so they're hit with much less energy. They might get away with several inches of steel, but if it fails it's nkt gonna throw sand, it's gonna be molten steel and the econiggers are going to have a field day.
Besides they're already working on the tank farm, so they might get away with cooling it with LN2.

https://twitter.com/yosoybimbo/status/1649176934482432004
look at the plume

>>15380670
>3) Another lander selected for the moon in the stead of Starship

Who else is capable of proposing new lander designs other than already morally, financially and technologically bankrupt corporations that had their chance but blew it, but if given another chance would just take 12 years to develop their dogshit designs similar in reliability to Starliner?

How tf did this ball of concrete and rebar reached the main street ? kek

>>15380685
methaloggs

>>15380676
>>15380667
Methalox can't melt steel plates.

>>15380688
yes it can , as jet fuel of course

>>15380681
I can't, running a website is hard.

>>15380077
Looks like km/h

>>15380685
99999 giganigganewtons of fuck you will send things a long way

>>15380220
>ram through redtape quicker
environMENTALists are having a field day with the wreckage anon

>>15380698
just ignore them
they will keep whining whatever happens pretty much

>>15380217
A master class in motivated reasoning. Everything he mentions and omits carefully designed to present the shuttle in the most favorable light. Probable cause: autistic imprinting on the STS as he grew up.

>>15380705
>just ignore them

Not really an option when all their faggot NGOs, some of which are owned by certain ethnic groups start filing court injuctions and lawsuits backed by infinite money. Life isn't twitter anon.

>>15379966
Tom Scott, Pheonix fire guy (he does chemistry and engineering videos), Scott Manley
Whats this event all about?
https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1649280812926504960

>>15380149
It looks amazing even when it's shitting itself.

>>15380044
Expandable launchpads

>>15380710
Who’s the blue hair girl

Its schizothread time!
>Musk just launched his Mars bound Starship rocket for the first time today after moving the test back 3 days to do it under a hybrid solar eclipse
>In this thread I'll be explaining why I was able to predict that Musk would do this (under the cover of 4/20 jokes) through Egyptian, Masonic and Thelemic occult knowledge and rituals
https://twitter.com/DrutangReborn/status/1649215538718023681

>>15380685

>>15380721
>citing three separate occult traditions when everyone knew it was a Hitler weed day joke
schizos are weird

>>15380044
RUD effect on thick concrete is way gentler than these ablative torches from hell at a perpendicular angle.

How many Starships exploded during static fires? How many exploded before they finally succeeded in taking off, flipping, landing (and not exploding after)? Exactly.
We are ALL going to make it frens

>>15380719
How would I know
I am an ancient old fossil man, I dont know anything about the social medias

I still can't get over how fuckhueg the cloud was at launch. Like it nearly engulfs the rocket. But imagine how kino it would be if the entire pad was covered in a cloud and then Starship comes out of it.

>>15380663
That was me, I got it from.. I dont like admitting this but I got it from What about it german guy

>>15380732
All of these pictures are the kind of Kino you see from copers that cope about a space future we never thought would come about, it feels good to finally be able to cope with real imagry