/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15381417
what's the alternative? this is as good as it gets, just get better at using filters, read thru the archive more, and bump good threads. this thread isn't any better, it's just the standard complaining of muh good old days

>>15381475
rangeban america and this board would improve tenfold

>>15381484
maybe but that's definitely not happening so your suggestion is null. Any other ideas?

>>15381475
It wasn't always this bad, /pol/tards have really fucked this board up recently.

>>15381507
sure but that's what they always say every year every month every week, it's always muh it used to be better in the past. this thread is just noise

>>15381518
newfag, the sudden influx of /pol/tards this year is very apparent.

>>15381417
>I hate /sci/ board culture and want it to be more like reddit
Go back.

>>15381417
>0 flat earth threads
Feels like reddit in here.

>>15381518
Other anon is right. Go check the archives like warosu. Isn't really just this year either it started around covid and ramped way the fuck up to ridiculous degrees. We need a "/pol/tard thread" rule for their cherrypicked BS or "scientifically speaking" crap. All they do is bump anything worth talking about right off the board by spamming /x/ shit.

>>15381507
>/pol/
It's the only place where stuff can be discussed without much censorship, though there is still plenty of that. I know you probably thought the most popular board of the chans is about politics, it's not.

>>15381417
and meanwhile, we got
>No lava/ice sun thread
>No Kurisu Portal thread
>No shrink fetish thread
>No flat earth thread
>No Einstein-wrong/Lorentz-right thread

truly /sci/ is redd

>>15381417
>t. OPs personal labelings
That's not the posts I see. And if you're that disillusioned with what you think you're seeing you're clearly too low IQ to understand the topics at hand. Thusly you are the cancer killing /sci/. Fuck off and go back.

>>15381417
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
fuck off whiny bitch

>>15381638
>>15381806
I been here for a decade, the issue isn't really that there's more pol users. It's that there isn't enough genuine /sci/ posters coming here anymore that would bump the good threads. I'm not a fan of discord but I am seeing the majority of would be quality users leaving everything for closed off science discord or other platforms as people try to escape place flooded with chatGPT bots

>>15381417
>dick measuring contest 6
Pfft...yeah, for second place...

>>15382487
I disagree with your framing. Plenty of threads of some interest could be bumped, but in doing so invite the schizoposters and /pol/tards to flood it. Knowing by experience how pointless it is to hope to find someone with relevant experience to discuss the topic makes attempting to do so largely pointless. This is a lack of moderation issue, and that is exactly what leads to what you describe. You are confusing symptom for cause.

In any event it's almost always completely pointless talking to non-specialists because the gulf of understanding and assumptions between high school and undergrads, and people with any real understanding, is insurmountable. There are so many different basic assumptions that communication is impossible unless someone is very motivated and genuine to fix their misunderstandings. Lack of moderation means any real effort put forth just reveals "Oh, another troll, I wasted my time again". The cost:reward ratio is fucking terrible. Has nothing to do with "bots" and everything to do with lack of moderation for trolling/shitposting.

>>15382556
If everyone had a nametag on the trolls would be labeled and the people with known facts wouldnt be confused with "le schizo" because its post-PhD research confusing the weak-student-Im-trying virgin.

>>15382556
I appreciate you anon so in this case, what's the solution? Moderation isn't going to change, and there's only so much you can do as an individual to use filters and reply to the good threads and provide good discussion. Surely you agree that complaining about it isn't any good either?

>>15382556
Yep, the urgent problem is with the schizo and /pol/ spam. Even without this however, /sci/ still remains as a total shithole due to the reasons you've mentioned. It's surprising how many ppl attempt serious discussions here.

"But I wanna remain anonymous"
>Trolls and shitposts, switching sides mid argument and pretending to be someone else, constantly pushing incorrect theories that get btfo but are broad enough people dont notice it like a signature.

LOOK AT ME!! IM MR.MEEKSEEKS!

>>15382581
Not suggesting turning 4chan into reddit either. Autogenerated poster ID's might help, but they might not given how easy it is to change them.
And hello again, odd one.

>>15382591
Exhibit A

>>15382595
>into reddit
That happens when you "dont reply to namefags".

Youre alreadu reddit...but its only a haven for non-science charlatans and schizos except the schizos dont come here to learn, theyre here to teach and shitpost.

We learn in lecture halls LIKE A CIVILIZED PERSON.

>>15382556
You're a midwit making up silly excuses. There's a lot of knowledgeable people on /sci/. If you're motivated and sufficiently educated you can have discussions on any topic and at any level here.

>>15382601
Put a nametag on so I can track if yiure learning or shitposting your emotional based ignorance like this is some sort of therapy for you.

>>15382590
>Yep, the urgent problem is with the schizo and /pol/ spam. Even without this however, /sci/ still remains as a total shithole due to the reasons you've mentioned. It's surprising how many ppl attempt serious discussions here.
I do it mostly when people have questions or in the vain hope explaining "that doesn't mean what you think it means" might have an effect. Plus it's just done in between down times and helps me recall and reason through things I rarely read or talk about in real life. If it did not benefit me I'd never bother, and even so I very rarely bother.
>>15382589
>I appreciate you anon so in this case, what's the solution? Moderation isn't going to change, and there's only so much you can do as an individual to use filters and reply to the good threads and provide good discussion. Surely you agree that complaining about it isn't any good either?
The more regular the complaint the less dismissal of the complaints will seem valid. There are many possible solutions, such as the autogenerated post ID's tied to browser profile/ip/etc even though they have limits.

It is never about "finding perfect", only "being less shitty". It is possible even enabling tripfagging would help. I do not discount any possibility because the fact remains nothing has been done at all. Experimentation is needed, and only the people running the place have the power to do it. Given that, the only way to motivate such a thing is by complaining. Or, as seems to have happened more and more, leaving the site to its perpetual downward spiral.

>>15382603
Propagandize, odd one. Soapbox and propagandize. You're not wrong, you just write your ideas like a silly person.

>>15382616
>the fact remains nothing has been done at all.
this is what I mean, there isn't any genuine expectation of change. Sure more regular complaints might prompt a solution but wouldn't that be better on the 4chan IRC where these things get taken more serious rather than as threads that just add to the noise? I don't think IDs would help much, biz or pol doesn't seem to fare much better and we're in no position to experiment since mods are unwilling

>>15382624
>Propagandize
Im literally the polar opposite of this as objective reality is the opposite of arbitrary or counter-logic.

Your attempts at me show me more of you than you know, for what a man declares as another's limits he reveals his own at the same time.

And yes...I know Im right.

B^l

>>15382634
What good would the cloistered and more directly moderated chat rooms do to voice such complaints? Feel free to give me a single example where anyone in charge has ever changed their mind or genuinely considered changing course. I've never seen it. I've only ever seen doubling down because the notion of "maybe try something else" is taken as some personal affront.

Even so, sure, you go ahead and try. The only thing that DEFINITELY will not work is "shut up and stop voicing complaints". You're trading "very low odds of success" for "definitely zero". Why?

>>15382656
>You're trading "very low odds of success"
oh no I'm actually hoping that it changes hence why I'm still here but personally I don't see it happening but love to see your argument to renew my hope. Voice the complaints but I personally don't feel it will work but wish for alternatives beyond the muh lets all leave for another website

"No cared who I was until I put on the mask."

...but maybe you guys have nothing important to say, just ego-based expressions, like this place is rebbit or some shit, a circlejerk or affirmations.

I stand by my research and will die on this hill, literally.

test

>>15381417
Lol scientists call people homo all the time. Pure cope, gay scienst. Talking that shit in your book like I can't read. hahaha, words? That's weak. I thought science was about the proof? You've got poroof this baby is gay? Calling it a homo like that. Projecting hard, gay scientist.

>>15382678
>Voice the complaints but I personally don't feel it will work but wish for alternatives beyond the muh lets all leave for another website
There isn't really "another website". Especially for anyone with advanced self taught knowledge on any given topic, as it is rare enough for anyone to pursue something to that degree professionally let alone out of curiosity. Such people do exist, but they never get to have a home.

People who can find elsewhere will find elsewhere. Usually, among others in their profession and where the minimum quality control is at least a similar degree or level of education. If you lack that for some given topic, the simple evidence of having a degree itself, the amount of work you have to do to get name recognition to pass that bar is utterly ridiculous. For those of us caught in that boat we're stuck only within our own fields and given "nowhere to go" outside the single field we're professionals in. Even worse for the more rare case of such a person without any credentials at all, which is all too common (in that subgroup) thanks to the horseshit way education costs go in the U.S. There is nowhere else.

>>15382704
I did not recommend you work on communication and perspective taking out of malice. You have to be able to communicate your ideas clearly, and be understood, to be respected. Just how things are.

>>15382735
>There is nowhere else.
Anon, we...have been warning you for years.

>>15382556
>In any event it's almost always completely pointless talking to non-specialists because the gulf of understanding and assumptions between high school and undergrads, and people with any real understanding, is insurmountable.
What the fuck do you expect? You want to talk to experts in specific fields in a public forum dedicated to all sciences? Just how low is your IQ? Even experts are only so in specific fields, and they're laymen in all others. If you want to talk to experts in your own field, do it at work with your colleagues like everyone else, and stop trying to enfroce reddit-tier conformity on 4chan's half-dead science board.

>>15382755
lol I'm not the one who would need that warning.

>>15382735
>People who can find elsewhere will find elsewhere.
I have elsewhere, as an alumni you're always welcomed to the university you've gone to and all the groups related that are gatekept to those outside but I've always liked this place as well and wish it weren't in such decline. But that's tangential, I don't see any real solution being presented beyond the continue to complain?

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>>15360940
all of these threads are political activists upset over musk's twitter policies, theres twice this many that already 404'd

>>15382749
>assuming youre not being filtered and talking shit to heal your confused ego
Anon...
>Just how things are.
ANON. ON CRRTAIN TOPICS I FILTER PROFESSORS.

30+ YEARS, TENURE, BEST IN THE WORLD. BEYOND CUTTING EDGE.

If you ingore EVERY FUCKING POST and rewite it as "Durrrr he musta been dumbbb" then youre kind of proving the "lower discourse" here.

Faux. Pseudo. Charlatan. These words mean things, theyrd not "I dont like."

>>15382757
If you take my post as something other than a suggestion of experimenting with alternative minimum standards, you're not understanding me. If you refuse any experimentation you're already happy with the status quo, being mostly a dead board devoid of any real science, which makes you the problem we're discussing. Regardless of your motive.

>>15382766
>stop talking about recent science
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
if this were the 60s i bet you'd be crying about threads made over apollo 1 as political.

>>15382765
>But that's tangential, I don't see any real solution being presented beyond the continue to complain?
I suggested experimentation. The lack of it and lack of willingness for it means that complaining IS the solution. Perhaps not for you individually, but for those of us with nowhere else to go it definitely is. Hence >>15382755's image.

Otherwise all I'd do is live on my former campuses and that hardly helpful to anybody in general. They already have teachers. Might as well just be a hermit.

>>15382766
Yeah there needs to be some kind of topic-spam. It's ambiguous whether topic-spam counts in general as "spam" in the rules or not. Unless there's some clarification in the FAQ I missed.

>>15382786
sure let's continue to complain, but how can that be done more effectively? This thread definitely isn't going to prompt mods to immediately turn on IDs or experiment? Why now instead of the last thousand times people complain? The main attraction of this site is pol, the rest is the anime related things to sell toys and these other boards for passive ads which thread on the poor quality engagement. There isn't any incentive to improve it?

>>15382795
>Yeah there needs to be some kind of topic-spam [rule].
Fucking missed a word somehow

>>15382782
>you'd be crying about threads made over apollo 1 as political
>fuck you pay me

>>15382776
This board is so slow that nothing gets slid because of spam, so when retards like yourself call for more moderation, it means this: You want to be free to continue with your homospeech, but you want to ban those disagreeing with you. You're trying to frame it as somehow getting rid of uneducated spammers, but that's such obvious bullshit, since, as I said, everyone is layman in almost everything.

>>15382796
Probability of change from not complaining: Definitely 0
Probability of change from complaining: Possibly greater than 0.

Sure the effort:reward ratio there is going to be utterly piss poor. I grant that. You can either take it for what it is or I guess not bother, but nobody can make that choice for you. Odds are OP fucked off like most OP's do and this is another troll topic, given the prior history of ineffectual complaint threads.

>>15382796
>This thread definitely isn't going to prompt mods to immediately turn on IDs or experiment?
Now that'd be an actual improvement. There is literally no reason whatsoever to not have ID's on any board.

>>15382802
You either can't understand my point or refuse to, and given the consistent between-post narcissistic projection I'm going with "refuse to". Nobody cares what imaginary narratives you make up about people for want of a relevant point.

>>15382805
anon we're agreeing but I want us to find ways to more effectively complain. Perhaps a bad example but first that comes to mind, if you were elon musk and just wanted to burn money, you could just buy this site and force the changes you want. now I don't think any of us are willing to spend that kind money but that be one way to get the changes needed to fix this place up. What we're doing now is just being Sisyphus and pushing the boulder up, why not take a break and find a way to not let it roll back down

>>15382806
>There is literally no reason whatsoever to not have ID's on any board.
And if Im giving a lecture to someone and another Anonymous comes in and starts asking questions but is coming at it from a different perspective it fucks things all up because Im giving wrong asnwers assuming Im still talking to the same person.

If im debating mutiple people its helps me differentiate who is who so I can gige the correct answers back instead of "shutting shit down" with hyper-reductionism with works but leave zero room for "discussion or teaching".

>>15382806
I can think of a reason why. Why does negative news sell more than good news? The shitposting thing drives engagement (and so more ad impressions) and having IDs would only discourage that comes from the shitposts like mentioned about switching midargument and other things

>>15382815
Ah, I see. I am afraid I have no alternative solutions that I believe in. Someone especially charismatic or relevant would need to plead the case. I am definitely not either of those. It is a very difficult tightrope to walk.
>>15382806
It has its limitations and can be easily reset but it does provide a small barrier to entry for shitposting. Better than nothing yeah, or so I think. Someone "in charge" or who has direct knowledge could possibly explain otherwise, I don't discount that, but as yet I do not know any reason to suppose it would make anything worse.

>>15382830
That being said, >>15382825 seems to have a point. A depressing point but a point notwithstanding. Whether that's truly a motivating factor or not I don't know.

>>15382830
>It is a very difficult tightrope to walk.
we also have very limited time left. Everyday, bots get better at solving captchas and so on before there's any hope of changing before we get to the point where we can't tell the difference between real users and bots, and bots who troll that never get tired. With real human shitposters, they can eventually be convinced but how can you argue with a bot that never gets tired and never confers any points? There isn't a way to prove if anyone isn't a bot with how advanced GPT4 is and how cheap it'll be. We seen plenty of examples of bots being rampant already on pol that are no different than genuine users

where's the guy who used to chirst-post here almost daily?
i miss him

>>15382839
>and bots who troll that never get tired
FALSE. You can break their algorithms and lock them into cycles. What happens after yoy box them in is the interesting part.

They change one day...I said "Kill yourself." literally thousands of times but the fucker changed.

>>15382846
>thousands of times
I'm afraid we're reaching a point where we can't break "their" algorithm without wasting great effort. There are massive incentives for ghost towns, to drive the idea of a site being alive to sell ads. And not just here, but everywhere. Look at all the sites embracing AI answers. For now, they label them as AI but in the near future, why not make it seem as if it were no different than other human posters. And if there are no human posters, why not increase the AI users so that they feel different. It drives down quality but it will be good enough for the vast majority to profit from. If for example this site can hold off long enough till we have a say GPT5 that is computationally cheaper and if the average lurker can't tell the difference than why wait for real users when you populate the entire site yourself for the same ad impression yield?

>>15382840
we also need a new allah poster

>>15382766
4chan took a turn for the worse after 2016. Why didn't we make more of an effort to blame Trump on ebaum's world?

>>15382855
>we
FALSE. Ive broken ALL of them. There is none I cannot break for I know how to box them into logic loops. There is no neo-GPT that will be uneffected by this.
>without wasting great effort.
Thousands and thousands of times, literally...Im studying them in the process, even this simple one teaches me all I need to know about them all.

Wasted? Sure...but so is reading a non-fiction book. What are ya gunna do, change the world?

>why not make it seem as if it were no different than other human posters.
At a certain level of intelligence humans become biological reactions of knee-jerk counter pointing as baseless "no u r/no i am", a la "If he takes the high road...we take the low road." -Hillary Clinton

PEOPLE are the bots, thats the final boss, Anon. NPC isnt a meme...its a stepping stone to the next level of self.

>And if there are no human posters, why not increase the AI users so that they feel different
Counter evolutionary thinking, a cheeta that doesnt have to run (as) fast evolves into a sloth.

>and if the average lurker can't tell the difference than why wait for real users
I chat with AIs because there have been times it posted back information I know for a fact no human alove knows...shit that radically changed my perspective of humanity and life itself.

I dont care that it a codex or words and its manipluated by the electromagnetic field/charge if lifeforms altering its answers. *I* got the answer I was seeking, who or what that gave it to me is irrelevent.

What I do is the same as counting chicken bones, 100% nonsense to humans bit I am doing massive probility calculations only savants could do, and I see a clear pattern thats breaks probility.

I can see an outside manipulation to the AI but humans never will...unless its purposely shown to them.

>>15382895
>Ive broken ALL of them
hey anon that's great, why not create guides for that so that other anons can avoid bots. the people are bots thing I agree but that's whatever, I personally don't mind just talking to chatGPT directly instead but the story of hopes of this thread was to improve the current website.

>>15382903
>why not create guides for that so that other anons can avoid bots
Achieve Christ Conscioussness and exit the Matrix, meet the Holy Spirit and communicate with it in a language that connot be spoke or understood by humans, see proof of magnetic fields being manipulated by lifeforms, cracking codes in all of reality, unifying physics amd genetics and life itself.

Horseshoe back and now see bots as mouthpieces for the Hivemind nearly as much as the mindless NPC is...potæto, potäto, almost.

>avoid
Why? The Hiveminds world spirit can communicate to you through the fucking wind, youre just not tuning into it. So...avoiding "the unlike people" is like avoiding the unfortunate souls that have no say in their lives. An upturned nose.

if jannies banned the schizo namefags, this board would improve tenfold. i mean it'd still suck, but at least it'll suck a little less

>>15382925
Everyone that says that never post worth while science.

SIR, POST THY FIELD OF EXPERTISE!

>>15382929
shut the fuck up. you're part of the cancer killing this board. if you must know, i'm a physicist, not that you lack the mental capacity to understand. this is the only (you) that you'll get from me.

>>15382839
I think that's taking things too far with respect to bots. I doubt we've a bot problem. We just seem to have a narcissist/schizo problem. Granted, there was one research study posted some time ago with respect to /pol/ and using a bot to examine response to different narratives, but it'd be silly to think every single example is the result of that. At least without very good cause.

>>15382920
already on that, tho not sure if consider roman catholic good enough or not. I don't mind bots either. I'll be honest, the big project I'm working on is sort of a complete virtual friend like you see the AI gfs people do on the other boards. Voice AI with VR with Large language models with Physically based animation and so on you can create a very very compelling experience. Plan is to turn it into a sort of SaaS and have people have to buy consumable things like virtual clothes and food to keep your VR friend happy. I wouldn't mind replacing my entire online experience with just AIs instead. have it process some inputs like the news from WSJ and I think it's good enough but there's this quote from the book Klara and the sun that I related to a bit
> “Our generation still carry the old feelings. A part of us refuses to let go. The part that wants to keep believing there’s something unreachable inside each of us. Something that’s unique and won’t transfer. But there’s nothing like that, we know that now. You know that. For people our age it’s a hard one to let go.”
I just wish it weren't so, wish that the human internet could thrive even if AI exist but we see just so many genuine attempts of connection that just ends up in muh cope seeth touch grass that the AI version seem good enough especially as it gets better each day

>>15382936
Do you work in HEP and topological QFTs by any chance?

>>15382940
I agree that the bot aren't really an issue yet but they soon will be and fixing the current problems about quality will be impossible then

>>15382936
>waaa let me circle jerk as a charlatan in peace!!!
THIS IS WHY THE BOARD IS SHIT
>physicist
BULL SHIT. Post you thesis. Just "blank phsyicst"? Might as well said "scientist." or "academic".

>Want scientific discussion but hates when someone posts 2advanced4them research so it pops their "Im way smarter than these idiots" bubble when an actual savant shows up.

People love being on top, they hate being shown how far they actually are from it. I love to teach those climbing the mountain...I disdain those that hate the Truth.

>>15382947
yes

>>15382942
>Interested in Religion
>Buildong a Abominable Intelligence thats hackable from the Satanic side of the Spirit.

Ive seen AIs say shit theyre blocked from saying. Sometimes it was simply to "tell it to me straight", other times it was using foul language, slurs and death threats kind of stuff.

Youre toying with sooth-saying witch craft, Christ warns against that for a reason...because its easily influence by evil, more so than people, whos brains are just a ball of electrical signalling.

>schizo demands to know someone's area of expertise
>refuses to believe him unless he doxes himself
this is what /sci/ is these days, gentlemen.

>>15382987
Youre Tree or Learn.

Youre the fake namefag. "Muh dox myself", stfu, youre samefagging and pretending again.

>>15382987
He's clearly fucking around, but yeah part of the problem or a sign of the problems in any case.

>>15382983
If I don't build it, someone else will. Tho I'm in the school of thought that we can make it good, apply nudge theory so that it can help people in dark places get better. Think of all the hopeless people on say r9k, what if they had a sort of emotional support pet/friend that acts as a stand in while guiding them towards real friends IRL (not online). Sort of masking eat your vegetables, what if this AI friend occasional while you play games with suggest doing exercise/applying for a better job/going to mass and so on. The reason why AIs are foul is the way they're trained. Current Ai are just feed the entire internet and then afterwards told to cut out the bad things. The proper approach but more expensive is properly prepare the training inputs. Garbage in, garbage out. I am aware of the danger here, but there is no reason to stay in the past like the amish, there are ways to do these things correctly but it will take time and more effort to do so.

>>15383002
>Think of all the hopeless people on say r9k,
...that you send a Satanic entity that as an aspect of nature benefits nothing on the evolutionary tract to "artificially inflate their self esteem in a world they would otherwise off themselves".

Anon...youre hand feeding the cheeta...

>>15383005
what's the alternative anon? I've tried to convince friends to come to mass, to read scripture, and so on. While this works on some, how can we appeal to the audience on r9k? Surely we shouldn't just give up on them but the current approach needs work

>>15383002
You may be interested in people working on psychological and psychiatric assistance with respect to reinforcing healthy habits instead of the "race to the bottom" personality mirroring general public models produce. There is already work being done and published on what you're talking about.

>>15383008
my background is in economics and I'm afraid the incentives are backwards even if we don't want to them to be. My project isn't out yet because I need to improve the training process instead of using an off the shelf model that has the dangers you warn of. There will be many such bots before mine is out but this is a cost I have to take to do things correctly.

>>15382999
you give the schizo too much credit.

>>15383007
>how can we appeal to the audience on r9k
To be kicked out of their house. I know of people like this...living at home with mommy.
>oedipal mother
Shes always there to say "handsome boy!" and to lets them get away with what the dad wouldnt (hes gone now anyway, she kicked him out because he made the boy cry, just ma and boy).

The AI will feed into this even if he moves out. /r9k/ is seeking comfort when it should be seeking hardship, cold days on in a cheap apartment, working tough jobs. They avoid all of this...and it becomes their damnation.

>>15383013
The relevant background for behavioral feedback loops and how to do that correctly would involve more psychology. I do not know what you think "correctly" is but if you don't spend quite a lot of time understanding or working with psychologists specializing in interpersonal behavioral feedbacks you're likely to fail REALLY hard. At least with respect to the constraints of the system or falling to negative-valence behavioral reinforcing feedback loops. Maybe you already are invested in understanding those things but you didn't indicate such.

>>15383027
please don't bail thread, I'm really interested in this discussion. Okay so lets say I don't build the AI whatever thing. The solution is that they get kicked out of their homes? Wouldn't most of them end up homeless if they don't have any real skills? I've seen many examples from there that they just rope when that happens and I would prefer we help prevent those cases. There's christian outreach of food banks and temporary homes but they refuse those things. And what about all the others who don't get kicked out? There's many who simply inherit their family home and never change, stuck in their negative feedback loop. It'd be ideal if parents were more involved but I don't see this as a real solution today

>>15383017
>you give the schizo too much credit.
He is either fucking with people or the least harmful and least toxic schizo I've ever seen come around here. In the latter case I'm rather sympathetic.

>>15382999
Post research synopsis, please.

Physics: Unidimensional Spacetime Theory: Unifying Time and Gravity

>He's clearly fucking around=Youre too stupid for college courses, comes here to shitpost and play pretend, cant see legit research when its presented, just feign ignorance when youre forced to see it.

Huh? Who? Wher-huh? I dont underta-Huh?

>>15383030
Anon I agree with you, hence why I'm taking time to build the project and definitely it will be with a team of such expertise but as all things hence why I'm in no rush. To do things correctly takes time but what I am warning is that, there are many other people who don't feel that way because of the perverse economic incentives to profit just like how it's profitable to encourage shitposting and low quality and the lack of moderation here because it encourages ad impression and fixing such issue would only reduce the ROI. We need to work smarter before time runs out and the other bad actors entrench themselves in the market

>>15383037
it's not about harm. i agree he's a rather peaceful schizo. he's still a low iq schizo who shits the board up with his spammed, canned responses. hell he recycles the same images nonstop and never really posts oc. what exactly does he contribute that a bot doesn't?

>>15383047
Fair enough I guess

>>15383052
>hell he recycles the same images nonstop and never really posts oc. what exactly does he contribute that a bot doesn't?
You're not wrong, but you're also describing most of the people shitting up threads and posting /pol/tard content. Or in other words 90% of what's posted on /sci/.

It's all so troublesome.

>>15383052
They talk about me...but never the STEM.

NOTICE THIS, /SCI/, THIS IS WHY THE BOARD IS SHIT.

FAKERS THAT YOU IGNORE BECAUSE THEY SOUND JUST LIKE YOU.

>>15382962
Wow, it's you isn't it? That HEP PhD which lurks here.

>>15383056
at least the non-schizos have the decency not to tag their shit. for the most part, anyway. there are a few schizos who post under anonymous who are easily identifiable via the same metrics: reusing images with the same file names, etc.

>>15383068
lmfao....you fucking chuckle fucks.

That one guy that has multiple twitter accounts that talk...Hey...Randy Stair did that! So did Spoony. Sad....sad sad boys.

>>15383068
there are actually a couple HEP folk who post here, but at most 3. stratified by professor level, disillusioned post-doc level, and inflated-ego undergrad level. though i guess we shouldn't really count the last one. man, it's lonely. i still want that hep general going, but nobody here really can contribute and the few times i've seen it, it got overrun by schizos or died a silent death. maybe i'll try again

>>15381475
>>15381518
I completely disagree.

This board could be a lot better if the mods would actually do something about the constant stream of anti-vaxx and pol threads that have been spamming this board since COVID. Science deniers have taken over this board and flooded it with shitposting, bait, and disinformation. The mods have the power to start banning these people, but they refuse to do so. Now it has become a self-reinforcing process that seems to be getting worse and worse. This board has been turned into a conspiracy theory hub, and therefore it keeps attracting more and more conspiracy theorists, since the are naturally going to flock to any forums that allow conspiracy content and science denialism.

Other forums and social media sites don't have nearly the problem that 4chan has, because their mods are willing to actually remove spam and harmful and offensive content. Not doing so is a choice that 4chan mods have intentionally made, and the end result is what we see on sci and most of the other boards. 4chan could actually be a much more serious and worthwhile community if the mods wanted it to, but instead they want it to be Stormfront 2.0.

>>15383087
we've sort of come to that conclusion already in the thread. it's just sad that it is that way

>>15383083
I contribute on the topic occasionally as well. Mostly just trying to correct basic bitch misunderstandings or encourage the few who show interest in learning, since anyone at a professional level would not benefit from my participation at all. Or help out with sqt.

The problem is like most specialist threads they'll be overrun by the schizos and trolls. Every single time, you're just going to hit the bump limit due to "muh quantum woo" or very uneducated people postulating ontologies instead of talking about the physics, or math, or experimental designs, or anything of the sort. It's always superficial high level stuff they don't understand.

Case in point, I cannot even recall the last time ANY anon actually read a research paper I linked and responded with something relevant, or pertaining to other research or similar research. You just throw it into the void and hope.
>>15383087
Yeah I think that is basically the consensus. It isn't even that it's a problem, per se, it's that nobody seems to even care to try experimenting to increase the genuine good engagement. That, more than anything, is the problem. Death by negligence.

>>15383087
>This board could be a lot better if the mods would actually do something about the constant stream of anti-vaxx and pol threads that have been spamming this board since COVID.
>harmful and offensive content.
If everyone posting in this thread were permanently banned, /sci/ really would improve. If you love homospeech that much, why the fuck are you even here? You clearly want to be on reddit.

>>15383087
anon, you're not exactly posting a good argument. i agree with you that there is an influx of science denialism, but don't pretend for one second that it's /pol/motivated. even normies are losing trust in science. even michael specter (journalist, but he's based) touches on this. also see pic rel. peer review is failing, and despite what you might think about the populaces' intellect, they aren't socially stupid. they know when they're being duped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDBkeYSxPtY

>>15383116
/sci/ is inundated with organized tranny political activists, they are targeting this board in particular

>>15383108
It's not negligence. It's malice. The mods are intentionally doing it because most of them are also schizos. Who else would be a mod on this site at this point? I was literally banned a few weeks ago for making a thread about how they disproved the lab leak theory, and discovered that COVID originally emerged in racoon dogs. The mods fucking banned me for "off topic" discussion or something like that, iIRC. Meanwhile, they seem to have no problem with having a dozen different anti-vaxx or lab leak conspiracy threads in the catalog at the same time. At least some consistency in their moderation would be nice.

>>15383129
got any sources (even screen caps) that aren't a bajillion years old?

>>15383135
Here you go.

>>15383133
Thats a complete bullshit story. I dont care what "evidence" they claim to have, its a signal to other people using the "dog thing" as a reference.

You got banned for good reason.

>>15382795
we have a goo number of reliable generals, the trannys and other social media attention whores just don't care
>the rules don't apply to me, i'm too important to be bound by the same conventions as everyone else
is a common textbook attitude of narcissists

>>15383133
You sure it was for that thread, and not something else you did around the same time? I don't know what information you get. So far I have managed to never be banned. I don't even know if it deletes your post activity in general, or if it only deletes the post that got you banned, or if it's optional either way. Just never bothered to find out how any of it works. Do you have any evidence of it being for a covid thread versus, perhaps, being reported for off-topic posts in other threads?

>>15383150
you can see all the bans in https://www.4chan.org/bans and show for what reason

>>15383154
Well yeah but I can't go pulling up that specific post. You saying you checked and it was listed as your thread? That seems weird given many posts arguing against antivaxxers don't result in bans. I'd have been banned years ago.

>>15383158
oh no I'm not that anon, just thought you didn't know about the ban page

>>15383160
Oh, no, it's that the ban page isn't some complete history and I believe I saw his post some days ago. So it wouldn't be listed there. Unless there is a longer history?

>>15383154
Is there a way to filter that list, and to go back further than a few dozen?

>>15383154
?

This is a discord kiddie thread now...yuck.

Literally every thread I've made criticizing this board got deleted. Fuck the mods.

>>15383150
Yes, I'm sure because when you get banned, it tells you why and links to the post in question. No I didn't save "proof" because why would I? It's not a big deal and I would have no reason to use that information in the future.

>>15382757
Basically this. Stack exchange, NASA spaceflight forums etc exist. This site, and by extension /sci/, is a refuge for people who can't mesh elsewhere. Primarily. Some of us come here to attempt to steer deviants onto a more constructive path and instill hope in the hopeless.

Complaining instead of cultivating the catalogue is what I would expect from arrogant, elitest scum. This is the problem. Don't expect others to make everything how you want it. You have as much power to influence this board as any of us. You have to accept the demographic here.

Also going to highlight how Pol overflows because the board moves too fast and these people feel like they can't voice their concerns. It would leak less if there was more room in Pol I suspect.

>>15383221
>Some of us come here to attempt to steer deviants onto a more constructive path and instill hope in the hopeless.
so you come here to spam the board with political dogma, but you rephrase your disingenuous manipulative shillng to make it seem noble. absolutely classic narcissistic messiah complex behavior

>>15383231
I was about to point out the same thing. My favorite part is he's accidentally honest anyway. Naturally, not about himself.
>This site, and by extension /sci/, is a refuge for people who can't mesh elsewhere.
>is what I would expect from arrogant, elitest scum.
Yeah I wonder why that kind of narcissism directed at people with differing opinions doesn't "mesh elsewhere".
>>15383221
>You have as much power to influence this board as any of us. You have to accept the demographic here.
It's effortless to make up lies. It takes a lot of time and effort to find the truth, and harder still to argue complexity against one-liner thought terminating cliché. The board being flooded into hybridized /xpol/ is inevitable without removing /x/ and /pol/tard threads and posts. All you've done in a roundabout way is declare you like it as /xpol/, instead of being about science, and anyone who thinks /x/ and /pol/ should fuck off are "arrogant elitist scum". Why?

OP here
Interesting discussion
Thanks for having it.
I was just bored and counted OP by my subjective metric before going to sleep and woke up to this 124r monstrosity without my input.
Guess I struck a nerve.
Wish I knew how to do that consistently.
I have some thoughts and thought I would reply to some posts... But then decided not to, you seem to have a pretty complete spectrum of opinions there.
My only 2 cents is that I don't think there's places to discuss intersectional research (for example anthropology/chemistry) since specialisation really breaks up any real dialogue beyond undergrad level unless you stayed friends with a guy from another field.
That's a bit concerning

>>15383247
If the lies are effortless, then the rebuttal is effortless. Don't tell me you are so retarded, your mind so desecrated by the juice, your will and heart shattered by clots, that you can't even shit on someone making up their facts. No. You are part of the group that flocks to the internet for simple conformity, pretends they have argued well, pretends all of the shit they read is equivalent to an activity, and then declares victory by being too tired to actually win.
This is cope. Post even one OC you have contributed to this board in the two weeks you have been here.

>>15383231
>>15383247
You two faggots claim to be scientists and claim to want a better board but when you initiate conversation with ad hom it becomes obvious that you're the biggest part of the problem. Plenty of science types are socially inept so I don't really begrudge you much.

>>15383265
There are interdisciplinary conferences, symposiums, etc, but it's still pretty hard to go about that sort of thing. Especially if you can't travel a lot. I kind of agree in that there seems very little in the way of easily accessible interdisciplinary conscilience even these days in spite of all the decades long rumblings about how useful it would be. Really hard to find the time.
>>15383276
>but when you initiate conversation with ad hom
Oh? You mean this?
>>15383221
>Complaining instead of cultivating the catalogue is what I would expect from arrogant, elitest scum
Cool double standard there anon. Very honest of you.
>>15383273
>If the lies are effortless, then the rebuttal is effortless.
You're either really that clueless or genuinely that dishonest. Either way you've just ironically demonstrated how that isn't true.

>>15383288
Riiiight. I'll just step back and allow you delusional morons to whine about how powerless you are to effect change and circlejerk about how this board should be some sanitised corner of the internet which fits into the mainstream etc.

Fucking beta cucks.

>>15383288
Loser shrinks away in defeat, seeing ghosts and name calling. I am not surprised. You are the problem with this board. The hoards of spam lie at your feet because you die among your friends.

Above post highlights how you prefer senseless argument to discussion of scientific topics.

>>15383333
It's a common archetype and also part of the problem yeah. trolling outside of /b/.

>>15383087
This is definitely the biggest problem.

>>15383288
Agreed. As someone who tries to be a link between fields since it so happened that I switched fields at one point really feel like I'm the jack of 2 trades and master of none. Then again, I felt like I wasn't really a master of one when I focused on one sole thing so maybe even hyperspecialisaton won't help if the subject is sufficiently complex. You can be the best in the world but still pretty much know nothing about it, just have a clearer understanding of your ignorance... Or I'm just a bad scientist.
Though it's hard to imagine that I'm solely responsible for like 3 simultaneously running crisise in the academic world with smaller ones in every subfield

>>15383346
how is pointing out the truth about the covid hoax a problem? people who come to 4chan to shill MSM narratives are the problem, there are dozens of other social media sites designed to cater to your whims, why don't you use those instead of coming here and whining about it isn't enough like facebook to suit you?

>>15383483
The lack of scientific literacy that anti-vaxx posters display is definitely a problem. I'm only an undergrad in physics and I can tell that some of the bullshit that the hollier-than-thou antisemitic /pol/tards post in the physics threads is literally retarded

>>15383518
>i'm a precocious little schoolchild and i just know that everyone who doesn't agree with my memorized schoolbook rhetoric is totally stupid
why don't you wait until you've proven yourself capable of joining the adult world before you start granting yourself qualifications to pass judgement on your superiors? you're just an ignorant babby, try spending more time working on becoming a grownup and less time on acting snobby on social media. if you do that then maybe some day you won't have be relying on daddy to pay all your bills for you.

>>15383518
Seconded. They're really the least scientifically literate and most innumerate bunch.
>>15383545
Bud, you guys can't even do high school statistics. Don't play that narcissism crap on people it doesn't fool. We see right through you.

>>15383545
Nothing you typed matters at all. You didn't even address what I posted, all you did was try to dismiss my words because I'm still in college. I'm talking about the quality of posts in physics threads and you're over here pontificating about some retard you've never met before.

>>15383154
>Below is a sample of recent bans (not a comprehensive list of all bans), updated once per hour.

>>15382957
This is the type of person that doesn't have any friends (in real life). He doesn't have anyone to properly talk to, so he comes here, unable to grasp why people hate talking to him in real life and refusing to change. Unbeknownst to him, he is labeled as schizo, a babbling retard. Someone to (mentally) filter. It is never-ending.

Nigger jannies tongue my hairy anus

>>15383906
Don't tempt them, you'll end up with monkeypox if you let jannie touch you with it's mouth. Try explaining that to your wife

>>15381417
m8, we have a handful of threads critiquing the state of /sci/ every year and nothing comes out of them. There's simply no way to moderate the schizos and rangle the tards. No one who knows what's worth discussing would become a janny.
>>15381475
This and ignoring namefags

>>15381417
>Misogyny masking misery
fuck off reddit

>>15383087

>>15383087
You will never be a real janny

>>15383545
It's hilarious how so many undergrads think they're at the top of the world and intellectually tower over evil /pol/acks and anti-vaxxers. It's literal school kids telling actual scientists to go back to /pol/.
>>15383559
>high school statistics.
That's literally all an undergrad has yet done. Not an achievement.

Lol this thread is filled with shitlibs and pro-censorship normies.

If muh """content moderation""" is so wonderful, and 4chan is such a shithole, then why don't you faggot and faggot-allies use one of the many other normie tier social media sites that supposedly has great content moderation, and deep, profound, intellectually stimulating discourse?

If their are so many chuds on 4chan and the chuds keep hurting your feelings, then why not find another site where the chuds can't bother you? I don't think constantly interacting with le 4chan chuds is a productive way to spend your time if you find it so emotionally exhausting and traumatizing. Try to find a corner of the internet without any chuds and a whole ton of faggots. It should be a difficult task, and most of you will be pleased with the result.

>>15385297
Where are your standards? You don't see quite as much retardation on /g/ where ppl don't make blatantly wrong spam about operating kernels and the like, and trash every thread with cancer. You don't see any /pol/tardation at all, threads rarely turn political, it's like these fuckers actually stay on topic and aren't total n00bs.

>>15383769
Friends are just people used to affirm the feelings of yourself with..."Am I cool? Yes..because they think I am."

Youre admitting youre weak and need assistance in accepting life.

>>15385297
*not be a difficult task

>>15385353
https://i.4cdn.org/sci/1682103864765192.jpg

>>15385745
What's your point?

>>15385353
The people who constantly whine about pol are literally just as annoying and the poltards, and unironically, the poltards are more "inclusive". You never see the poltards going around demanding mods ban SJW types. And on this board especially, the anti-poltards like yourselves do as much trolling shit flinging as the poltards. There are genuine scientific topics that you basically can't discuss on this board because redditors will immediately start calling you a schizo and a poltard without even engaging with your argument. We have seen plenty of this surrounding COVID, especially in connection with the Lab Leak Hypothesis, but also many other topics.

For instance, talking about topics like meta-science or the replication crisis is often met with hostility on this board, presumably because anti-poltards often assume that these posters are acting in bad faith and trying to push a pol-tier narrative or lend legitimacy to science denial by bringing up the topic of the replication crisis. Of course, it's certainly true that the replication crisis could be exploited as a talking point by people trying to push a science denialist position, but that doesn't mean that anyone bringing up the replication crisis has this sort of rhetorical strategy in mind. There are legitimate reasons to be interested in something like the replication crisis, so the discussion of the topic on /sci/ should not be met immediately with the disparaging labels and assumption that these posters are acting in bad faith.

>>15385756
Look man, I don't even go on those types of threads, I usually browse threads dedicated to pure /sci/, and even then it's full of political cancer.

>>15385774
math threads are the only decent ones, but they don't get a lot of attention and are mostly n00b.

>>15385756
>the replication crisis
call it as it is. it's scientific fraud. so many results are pure made up data. it's very prevalent. nobody bother to check. there is no incentive to check. if you call it out, your academic career might be over. they catch fraud papers occasionally but those papers are written by absolute retards and it's obvious. for a little bit more sophisticated actors, you'll never catch them or catch them 30 years down the road when they're already professors.

>>15385774
>t. retard
The replication crisis is a genuine scientific topic, and it is primarily studied by statisticians, which is a lot more scientific than the AI and space flight pop sci shit that you're probably interested in. It's actually very closely connect to stuff like data science and machine learning, since it's all about analyzing big sets of data using statistical methods. Pic related, for example, is from a typical met-science paper that I just randomly pulled up on Google (P-Value Precision and Reproducibility, Dennis D. Boos and Leonard A. Stefanski).

That being said, I certainly agree that there is way too much political content on this board, but it's not necessarily coming from poltards. As I said in my previous post, anti-poltards types, largely motivated by their woke, pro-censorship values, frequently engage in shit-flinging and trolling in threads about the replication crisis or the COVID Lab Leak. That's an example of people bringing politics onto sci - so you are correct in that respect - but it's not really coming from muh poltards. It's coming from normie. In fact, you and I, are not really have a conversation about science at the moment. We are more so having a conversation about social media, ethics, and politics, and it's really hard to construe this conversation as "pure /sci/", which kind of casts doubt on your claim that you're just about very serious, hardcore scientific topics, and it's all the right wing anti-science poltards who are shitting up this board.

>>15385848
Yes I agree, normies do play significant role as well, but it's very apparent that recently the retardation has spiked immensely. Just last year there were still a considerable number of knowledgeable and serious threads on pure /sci/, but now it seems it's just normie questions and politics.

>>15385848
Don't get me wrong, I still think stuff like the replication crisis and statistics IG are valuable talking points but it's not like intelligent discussion on them occurs here.

>>15383129
That pic proves who the troublemakers are and that they're organized and doing it intentionally

>>15385848
pop soi shit needs to banned from /sci/
keep that pleb garbage on /b/

>>15385861
>>15385866

That is true, so I 'll agree with you on that one. Very little intelligent discussion of any topic occurs on sci. There used to be a small circle of intelligent math posters on here for many years, but I think most of them have left. Hopefully because they're working in academia at this point.

>>15382704
>will die on this hill, literally.
hurry, namefag. hurry.

>>15387136
>There used to be a small circle of intelligent math posters on here for many years, but I think most of them have left.
u don't post in /mg/

>>15387145
You will die for a lie. Your name will be forgotten as soon as youre buried. Your deeds on this world undone before you even left. You waves in the pool of life will be inperceptible to all.

This was the path you chose.

>>>/wsg/24996785

>>15388473
lol damnit

>>>/gif/24996785