/sci/ - Science & Math

>tfw you undo years of work in 30 seconds because you didn't want to build a taller tower

Nice Iraq warzone webm (kek)

fire ball video link?

My understanding of the most likely course of events:
>rocket is held down for 5-6 seconds after ignition - probably nominal
>concrete gets more and more obliterated, at some point the exhaust is just blasting away several tons of sand
>debris breaks shit, 3 raptors dead when it lifts off
>several more components fail during ascent due to chain reactions. Someone also said a hydraulic thrust vector control system.
>rocket starts to bank/spin possibly due to engine and control failures
>rocket is way below nominal speed and altitude when it is time for separation.
>control system attempts spin but separation is not initiated since all the readings are bad
>rocket is left to spin around for a minute for the lulz
>FTS boom
>the launch pad rains down on estro

Actual /sfg/ thread

>>15372739
>>15372739
>>15372739
>>15372739
>>15372739

I HATE THEM SO MUCH

>>15376461
Who thought that this thing didn't need a flame trench?

>>15376472
>rocket starts to bank/spin possibly due to engine and control failures
The whole idea was to release first stage by spinning the rocket and then stabilizing with second stage, which is one of the most buttfuck retarded ideas I've ever heard

>>15376477
kill yourself faggot sperg

million points of failure and no abort system does eLon not care about human life?

>>15376428
ITT
>Retards sucking Musk's cuck and digging cope holes.
Embrace your one true path out of the gravity well serfs, Only the space tether will lift plebs and serfs like you off the stink filled crust and to the stars. Otherwise enjoy sucking Musk cock while him and all the pedo elites fly to Mars with your money laughing the whole way.

> Spalling concrete, van smashed, big crater underneath, tank farm (more or less !) damaged, earthquake at 2.5 on Richter scale...

"Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!"

>We are here.

There was something wrong with the fuel. Maybe it was only and infographic error but could have also been a fuel leak somewhere

One of the HPUs that was installed on B7, reused from SN15...

>>15376516
Sir, this is a gigacorpo. Answer yourself.

>>15376520
No one cares about improving material science to magical levels except for big companies making phone batteries for you to shitpost on

>>15376428
>tear up its own ass
>possibly some stuck clamps
>DIY flame diverter trench
>shit flying everywhere 10 miles from the launch site
>roundhouse flips mid air SEVERAL time. Never disintegrated under its own structural stress
if this is supposed to be the ITS OVER doomer launch then this tough motherfucker is absolutely going to make it when they keep pushing it. H-o-l-y s-h-i-t

Thoughts?
https://twitter.com/RaptorRelight/status/1649056310942666752

>>15376544
that is the component's own serial number
nothing to do with Starship SN15

>>15376511
>tfw starship is a sounding rocket

>>15376562
it buckled ?? wow

>>15376562
It's a camera artifact, you can watch the thing wiggle in slow motion as it flies.

>>15376552
The system is a hybrid of tethers and minor systems. There will be no attachment point to the Earth's crust. Once you take this step out we have no need for carbon nanotubes. We can implement the Sky Hook with a space plane like Virgin 1 to start lifting cargo into space ASAP. Building stations and infrastructure to get more people and materials into zero G.

ASK ME ANYTHING CHUDS!

>>15376540
we are in the sugar coat area

>>15376550
> tfw when only 3 rockets failed on launch

>>15376562
It’s a camera artefact. Which is obvious when you watch the video
Ukranian flag in name is retarded and talking outside their expertise, who knew

>>15376542
yeah after the explosion the lox/ch4 consumption went through the roof
it was only sipping on it before that

WHEN ARE WE GAAN

>>15376581
Oh it needs some sugarcoating but the beetles got obliterated, and the booster while going through the worst trial by concrete of any rocket ever still managed to not explode.

>>15376577
>>15376520
Didn’t you sperg out last thread and claim you were “out”?
Go back to /tv/ you namefag attentionwhore.

>>15376558
haha it jiggles like a slapped jello

>>15376461

>>15376502
They bought some "special" concrete and thought it was enough.

>>15376562
we saw inside the interstage nigger. turn on your brain

feels bad man kinda like the shuttle disaster of 03, my day is ruined.

haha look at it go!
https://twitter.com/labtec901/status/1649061003035029504

>>15376562
Holy shit the Three Gorges Damn is about to explode!

>>15376598
holy kino

>>15376604
We haven't seen changes in illumination when the whole stack was going upside down, as if interstage shots were a stop-shot.

>>15376596
You can't read, i'm banned from /tv/ and I took a break, this is a new general. I'm back.

I shill for space tethers, this is my job Chud! Do you have a question gay boy?

>Hypersonic airplane space tether orbital launch - HASTOL - A two-stage commercial launch system
MADE BY NASA, NOT SHIT SPACE X!
https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/6.1999-4802
https://www.slideshare.net/cliffordstone/hastol

But like I said have fun sucking on Musk cock loser scum!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

don't make me find more space TV pics to post fag i'll do it!

>>15376610
That's a camera artifact, there's no way it was flexing like that. Reminds me of the retards who thought the three gorges dam was a wave.

>>15376601
>>15376562
Are you just spamming the thread with the most retarded shit you see on twitter because you’re a tourist who can’t asses things for himself? Holy shit lurk moar

>>15376616
meds. watch it again

Why even use concrete anyway why not put down some huge slabs of steel or whatever

BTW the was fire inside the booster skirt the whole time

>>15376623
yeah because rocket fuel can't melt steel beams

>>15376617
why the slurs? we'd be happy to discuss tethers but you're just acting childish and defensive.

>>15376610
TBF I would not be surprised if it could actually handle that kind of rapid structural bending after witnessing what happened today

Mods confirm: New thread at image limit.

>>15376623
you want something that can stretch and squish and absorb impact without crumbling. It's no good if you have a titanium slab and just reflect the exhaust right back up.

Is this .....another N1 bros :(

reminder that some of the launch clamps failed to release
that's why it tilted so bad at the start

>>15376484
I don't care about them

>>15376617
You made this thread just to sperg out didn’t you?

>>15376625
I counted 8 out, I think the stream data pictogram in the corner was incorrect

>Jannies rewarded the newfag baker instead of banning him
Clowns

>>15376625
The more info we get the more surprised I am it went as far as it did.

Bros I gotta say, regardless of the outcome of the launch it was so cool to see such a massive rocket continue to fly with engines failing and bits falling off it

>>15376625
probably just the torn plumbing leaking methane which got ignited from all the violence around it. Literally ass on fire

>>15376641
>>15376621
Possible but given the recurrent concrete issues for other launches, I'd give it to the concrete for more probable cause.

Could be the initial ignition blast tore up concrete, damaged few engines, which slowed the lift off, which led to damage of other engines.

Everyone saying the interstage crumpled, meanwhile we have footage inside the interstage both before ignition and right before stage sep. Just compare the two photos

>>15376540
What's the original image? Haven't been to /sfg/ in a while.

>>15376632
no, the issues weren't anywhere as fundamental as the N1

>>15376634
They probably had their hydraulics severed by flying concrete...

>>15376617
>i'm banned from /tv/
And telling us that is supposed make you seem less pathetic?

>>15376631
>absorb impact without crumbling

So uh, not concrete then???

>>15376555
nice

>>15376577
I majored materials science mate. It's either going to happen through wild computational advances discovering magical compositions or not at all.
Earth is simply too big a gravity well to make it happen. The engineering doesn't add up, even if you can reach the holy grail of something strong enough that you can reliably build 40,000km long.
Launch loop is feasible today, and of a much smaller scale which is manageable, it's far more likely in the next century.

On one hand, it's great that so many people came out to see. But on the other hand fuck that was a lot of ignorance.

>>15376638
hey if we're allowed to fill up /sci/ with image limit filled /sfg/s now I'm not complaining.

>>15376645
it was just the rolling shutter effect I think

>>15376648
yep probably
wouldn't surprise me if that's why some engines failed to start too since the olm starts the engines

>>15376546
Noooooo ria....

>>15376646
Ha no idea, just pulled it from the last thread.

>>15376637
literally 5 retard see>>15376542

>>15376627
No he knows who he is. Don't be children about words. You are all destroying humanity chasing wild geese with this rocket man and wag your finger at me for using the naughty words? Get real.

That NASA proposal I posted is over 20 years old. Imagine where we'd be if we spent two decades doing that instead of eating Musk shit and calling it ice cream?

BTW I come to /SFG/ often and no you don't talk tethers with me no matter how nice I am, you are all cultists who refuse to look at raw math and data.

STARSHIP CAN'T PHYSICALLY LIFT A USS ENTERPRISE INTO SPACE.
full stop don't care

>>15376656
>hey if we're allowed to fill up /sci/ with image limit filled /sfg/s now I'm not complaining.
Based and this.

>>15376645
>everyone
Exactly one retard on twitter and one retard here

The way the rocket performed raises my spirits. It got that far with all that damage it took, and the newer ones have massive improvements. The damage to the ground infrastructure though is really disheartening.

>>15376661
the infographic was wrong

>>15376662
>STARSHIP CAN'T PHYSICALLY LIFT A USS ENTERPRISE INTO SPACE.
it could if we cut it up into pieces

>>15376653
>2000km long
>80km high
>feasible today

Stretching the word feasible a little too far anon

>>15376632
This manages to be as good as N1 flight 4 on the MAIDEN launch retard, and contrary to N1 it doesn't have a failling communist "economy", petty rivalries and GluSHIT cancelling it out of spite; but instead direct support from NASA and the world's wealthiest man.

It'll be fan, just give it 1-3 more launches

>>15376655
Just wait untill thunderf00t makes a video about this.

>>15376666
yeah I think it was 8/7 out

>>15376653
How long does that thing need to be from deflector to deflector?

>>15376651
there might be a mix of concrete that's good enough
clearly a problem, though

>>15376662
>>15376667
it would only take 632 launches

I saw this in the launch thread. Anyone have a source?

>>15376662
>/SFG/
So new to 4chan as well? You should be range banned from the whole site desu

>>15376665
I'm wondering if they launch the next one from the cape, I wouldn't be surprised if this was it for Starbase.

>>15376678
So only half of what it would take to put your fat ass into orbit.

>>15376671
N1 would have succeeded if Korolev wasn't such a scared little faggot afraid of hypergolics.

>>15376681
they don't have ships at the cape or the capability to ship the ships/boosters there. It's Starbase for the next 12 months I think

new pictures show the tower foundation is FUCKED
might have to be demolished

>>15376687
Then post them n’wah

>>15376671
>GluSHIT
lol

>>15376665
My thoughts too, might be over for boca desu, no way environiggers are going to let them dig up metric fucktonnes of wetlands for a diverter but maybe I'm wrong.

>>15376667
Someone please draw a kid Starship being fed little cubes of an aircraft carrier.

>>15376679
It's on Scott Manley's OnlyFans. Look it up. I liked the video where he beings in a Krystal blowup doll.

what a dangerous event, imagine all the poisonous dust and debris from the exploding concrete people are breathing in now near the launch site

lawsuits incoming I think

The majority of the problems comes from the fucking concrete and the lack of flame diverter.

The double Hydraulic Power Unit loss is still unknown . The lack of guidance comes from this failure

>>15376679
KEEEEEEEEEEEK

>>15376662
>USS enterprise
scifi nigger GO AWAY
I will not discuss tethers because you are too new.
lurk moar.

>>15376693
Might not be necessary.

A huge water tank and a steel diverter above ground could work.

Why is everyone so doom and gloom? The flight did very well considering it’s a brand new rocket. Also, a lot of people have what went wrong incorrect.

3 engines were not used on initial ascent on purpose. Some more engines failed on initial ascent, giving Starship a very slow climb with a TWR of 1.2 or even less

At T+30ish seconds, the Hydraulic Power Unit failed. This was the real nail in the coffin of the vehicle. Starship made it to T+2 minutes when the gimbal Ed engines could no longer control the orientation of the full stack due to their lack of hydralics, so the vehicle flipped over.

STAGE SEPARATION WAS NOT THE ISSUE! Starship was only at like 30 kilometers and 2000 km/h when it flipped around. Falcon 9 MECO is at 70 kilometers and 5000 km/h.

Starship COULD HAVE made it to MECO if the hydraulic power unit was still intact. The engine failures, while not good, still allowed for a successful ascent.

I WILL REITERATE! STAGE SEP WAS NOT THE ISSUE! The booster lost hydraulic power early on in the flight and miraculously was able to climb to T+2 minutes

>>15376636
>>15376650
Please keep your responses on topic to space tethers, feel free to insult me as well but be productive children and ask a question or make a challenge as well.
>>15376653
Thanks for an honest reply!
REAL TALK! Some material science work is still needed to make it happen but less work than Elon has done and will need to do. Me and others smarter than I believe the sky hook hybrid system could be used WITHOUT the magic carbon nano tubes! I agree carbon nano tubes are a non starter but modern metal could be used if the tether stays above a specific altitude.

>>15376678
No it wouldn't I've done the math and will again if you want. It was like 13,000 i think or like 4000.

>>15376680
Nope stuck here for years now, only /tv/ jannies ban me, strange. Legit post nothing bad there as well.

https://viewsync.net/watch?v=-1wcilQ58hI&t=2506&v=UW_ru5P2zNI&t=0&mode=solo

>no launch will compare with starship now
>we will be waiting months at minimum

>>15376699
Couldn’t those have been destroyed/damaged by chunks of concrete too?

>>15376698
Concrete dust gets blown all over the place all the time. Demolitions in major cities. It's not like they used asbestos.

>>15376665
>The damage to the ground infrastructure though is really disheartening.
well that is why they are seeing what works and what does not. The crater is SS obviously telling them "look, you hairless monkeys will make me a flame diverter or I will keep doing it myself. Fuck your unobtanium super-duper concrete"

>>15376673
circle the 7

>>15376704
cope

>>15376704
>miraculously was able to climb to T+2 minutes
it has two HPUs. The second one failed later I think

https://twitter.com/MrsCBonnell/status/1649048656060772352
watch to relieve some of your bad feelings

>>15376705
So yes you did just make this thread to sperg. Got it.
>years
What, two?

>>15376704
and why did hydro fail? Possibly because of the big hole in its nest

>>15376704
Starship: apogee was 39 km at 0.43 km/s Earth-relative, T+3:13

RUD was at 29 km, T+3:59
t. Mcdowell

>>15376708
uhh, hopefully we get some good RUDs

>>15376725

>>15376704
No one is dooming about the rocket you ape nigger, it's about the fucked up OLM and GSE that Elon himself said was the worst possible thing to get damaged and it all looks totally FUBAR.

Society pisses out stuff like that repeatedly when there's an economic incentive.
Facebook alone will finalise a 45,000km submarine fibre cable next year.
The issue with a launch loop isn't an engineering problem, it's money and transborder politics, unlike every other pie in the sky thing.

>>15376722
Yes , the first one fails 20s after liftof but still has another which fails like 2min after and then the rocket starts to tumble

>>15376705
>No it wouldn't I've done the math and will again if you want. It was like 13,000 i think or like 4000.
94,780 tons % 150 tons
its 632

Couldn't they just make a deep hole under the orbital launch mount with massive amount of water?

>>15376653
>Launch loop is feasible today
Stop watching Isaac Arthur

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1649089801797378048

>>15376733
>>15376669
Forgot to quote

A fucking war zone

>>15376714

>>15376709
Damn you sound so smart senpi, you're right I can't talk to you. My head might explode. Remember try to include a question or challenge in your insult otherwise you are not contributing anything but to your own ego.

>>15376704
Meco was supposed to be at 2:40 ish
Except it didn't cut out and was nowhere near Altitude and Speed requirement for it.
That's some serious underperforming, even with less engines.

that was fucking pathetic
inshallah m*kind will never leave this rock to spread it's malignance to the stars

Everyone into scifi is a retard who thinks that because they read something in book it’s not only plausible but desirable or inevitable. This is also why everyone is so retarded about “AI”

>>15376747

>>15376747
>that golfcart that somehow had its wheel torn off

so it looks like all the tourists cleared off, and i havent been in here since the launch. whats the status report on next flight and other things? dont sugarcoat it but dont lie

>>15376562
like an uncooked spaghetti. everything is at least a little bendy.

>>15376704
>Why is everyone so doom and gloom?
tourist from /pol/ and lefty/pol/. Both have their reasons for desperately wanting to see king chud fail. Anybody who has ever dealt with mechanics or hardware in general will instantly recognize what a amazing sight the sheer quantity of failures vs performance was. Very encouraging maiden flight

>>15376757
Pads fucked desu.

>>15376747
>>15376755

>>15376747
>>15376755
jesus
30 engine thrust tood stronk

>>15376747
>>15376755
Time to dig that fucking trench, Soviet style, Elon.

>>15376757
>whats the status report on next flight and other things? dont sugarcoat it but dont lie

You're gonna be waiting a long time anon for them to get their shit together with a pad that doesn't rud its rocket

>>15376737
Incorrect. I've done the math for all the versions of the Enterprise including the smallest the NX-01 but it's hard to find the mass off hand and no I don't have it on my desk but here.

>However, Trek canon states that the mass of a galaxy class starship is 4,500,000 metric tons.

So now redo the math and I think the NX-01 was like 1/4 that size as she only had 96 crew.

>>15376757
I can't sugarcoat this, there are a bunch of tourists still in this general, many of them reading this very post

>>15376464
>years
couple months worth of actual man hours at most, and most of that was artisanal pathfinding for the next boosters

>>15376752
ok dirtbrain

I unironcially hope the US government takes over SpaceX
1) To make sure Elon doesn’t keep causing fucking problems
2) To ensure SpaceX serves American interests (see how they did not want to help Ukraine fuck up America’s number one enemy lol)
3) To ensure they don’t fucking fly when they’re not ready

Etc. Elon needs to be seriously given a US government investigation over his ties to China

>>15376757
pads fucked
tower plumbing probably fucked
tower foundation might be fucked
genuinely might be 6 months till next launch

>>15376757
Might as well send the new booster and ship to Florida and launch it from the new pad

>>15376747
>>15376755
>>15376763
Average Texas bordertown

>>15376747
looks like outside of my window

regards Brazil

>>15376765
They are on a swamp retard, near the fucking sea

>>15376757
OLM is fucked big . The hole its so big that it reached the fundation of the table and possible ruptured some pipes. To build a Flame trench will be VERY difficult and time consuming .

The consensus is that if we launch this year again we will be very lucky

>>15376768
Aside from the retard nu Trek all of those are built in orbit. You dumb.

>>15376773
>tower foundation might be fucked

It's 100% fucked, that shit got blasted clean out under it

>>15376768
sorry i didn't realize you were talking about sci-fi bullshit instead of the USS enterprise aircraft carrier

>>15376772
what problems? They're launching humans to ISS. Launching commercial payloads. Government payloads. No issues. F9 is still the most reliable rocket ever. Starship development is test-break-test, so what.
Are you just trolling or stupid?

>utterly demolish your launch site on takeoff
lmao

>>15376757
rocket is fine
unironically stage 0 is a fucking disaster, both before launch and after
4-5 months minimum, 1 month if they want to launch a new starship with the minimum viable thrust so it doesnt keep digging its own grave

The first Starship.

>>15376464
Dead pixels

>>15376772
god i hate newfags
spacex would become another dead old space company then

>>15376768
>using math on star trek
how dumb are you?

can someone get me up to speed on what the beetle thing is

is there some kind of endangered beetle in the surrounding launch area?

look at the absolute state of those thanks rofl

>>15376772
holy tranny seethe

https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1649090292836884480

shit everywhere

>>15376785
>didn’t realize the guy spamming star trek and Star Wars images was a sci-fi retard
>didn’t realize the namefag who got banned from /tv/ was a sci-fi retard
>didn’t realize the guy obsessed with heckin space elevatorinos was a sci-fi retard
Anon…

WE'RE COMING FOR YOU COPTER BRO

>>15376797
kek , my god

>>15376797
Yep they're totally fucked, new tank farm too. Cool.

>>15376772
and turn it over to ULA Boeing or BO as their big favourites with big, fat lobbies in the right pockets?

Unironically go fuck yourself and then KYS. The most successful african in the world is the best thing to happen to orbital flight ever since the space race culminating in the Apollo program

>>15376733
>transborder politics
Both the United States and China could fit a launch loop entirely within their own borders.

You know, I had doubts before, but now I pretty much certain Raptor engines will never work properly

>>15376796
Lurk moar tourist

>>15376797
there probably isn't a single piece of infrastructure that wasn't utterly ruined
there won't be another launch this year

>>15376810
bro , they were hit by concrete boulders at 300km/h

>>15376778
Doesn't change the fact this chungus needs a major flame trench.

>>15376782
HOW DO YOU THINK THEY GET THE METAL AND CABLES AND PEOPLE INTO ORBIT RETARD!???

I swear to actual God I don't know how you people function with this little intellect.

We have a simple fucking math problem OK!??

4.5 million metric tons of mass need to leave the gravity well of Earth. How many little penis rockets will it take to lift that off the crust into orbit??

The only other answer is to capture an asteroid, place it into orbit around Earth, then mine it for raw materials, THEN AND ONLY THEN build your space ship in orbit. STUPID!

So are you telling me the above asteroid mining plan is easier than a space tether??

>>15376785
Space Flight General my fren >>>/k/ is that way.

>>15376793
I ALSO DO THE SAME THOUGHT EXPERIMENT WITH THE MARS MAIN SHIP FROM HIT MOVIE THE MARTIAN STAND BY!

PLEASE NOTE THIS MOVIE AND ALL MATHS WERE MADE BY LEGIT PHYSICS GUYS TO BE AS LEGIT AS POSSIBLE SO NO KVETHING ABOUT MUH SCI FI!!!

>>15376726
We're gonna have to wait for word on that. The HPU failure is the proximal cause for the launch failure, not the root cause.

https://twitter.com/labtec901/status/1649061003035029504
it can dance while going to space!

>>15376801
I mean it's shitty but it's also fucking kino. Like taking the world's biggest shit and ripping your anus open.

>>15376810
like 27/33 worked fine even when being assaulted by rocks for a good 4 seconds at liftoff.

>>15376816
asteroid mining
idiot

>>15376797
Damn, those tanks gave them so much trouble. Having to disassemble them again is gonna be such a pain in the ass.

>>15376801
cleaning and fixing this shit will take at least a year until next attempt

>>15376810
>source: my ass

>>15376816
How do you so consistently type in such a cancerous way. Are you actually 14?

>>15376818

Thats the shutter of the camera idiot

>>15376520
Space elevator would still require enough delta V acceleration to achieve orbit wouldn't it? I don't really see the advantage of it.

>>15376816
Are you okay? Have you taken your medication yet?

>>15376816
You're a stupid person. They already had a fully integrated industrial base in space for anything heavy. They had fusion powered shuttles to get to orbit.

Shut up.

>>15376704
NPC. The post.

>>15376816
>>So are you telling me the above asteroid mining plan is easier than a space tether??
yes
space tethers are literally impossible currently and won't be possible for another who fucking knows
starship enables asteroid mining

>>15376772
You subhuman redditors with absolutely no fucking clue need to fuck off.

anyone getting 14yo vibes from this elevator dork. just how he types and everything.
Go back to social studies Timmy

>>15376826
lol typed up my reply before I saw this post. yeah it seems that way

>>15376747
>>15376755
>>15376763
>>15376797
>>15376801
>elon

>>15376757
"months" per elon

Now talking seriously , SpaceX have LONG months of work ahead . Dont expect flight activity in many months

>>15376820
Even then, Starship never went anywhere near it's supposed speed on stage 1.
This is a disaster.

you think they could maybe ship rockets over to Cape Canaveral while they get the Boca Chica launch pad fixed up? if they do that for a year or two, they could still be launching with the correct set up to not blow up the entire site, and also add everything Boca Chica needs while it's out there.

>>15376833
Wtf did I say that was “NPC”

>>15376598
concretex

>>15376822
>disassemble them
they'll just pressurize it and pop out the dents.

>>15376841
Was it worth it, anons?

elon didn't want to lose the TOWER to an explosion. I think he knows B9 needed an overhauled OLM anyways.

>>15376841
this is true


>>15376842
maybe because it was missing a good chunk of thrust lol

>>15376747
>>15376755
TOTAL CONCRETE DEATH

>>15376846
its a /pol/tard just ignore the tourists.

>>15376833
get out this website and never come back. maybe facebook is a better place for you

maybe elon's boring company can do something useful and dig a flame trench.

Rocket architecture is salvageable
OLM and associated infrastructure however..
yeah bros this shit isnt even partial success, i guess at best it show the serious design flaws to fix but damn, if it were possible to travel back in time to tell elon to not redeem the rocket and redesign stage 0 id fucking taken it. Really bittersweet honestly

>>15376846
Something sane, rational, and non-reactionary. Just ignore the thing.

This /tv/ faggot is more annoying than the schizo, the vatnik, any of the solar or nuclear fags (F), the German, the collagefag, or even the furry spammer

>>15376843
lmao no nasa would never allow this shit anywhere near their facilities

>>15376797
That's not the actual tank, just a shell for insulation

>>15376805
Wiki is controlled by critics that has no defining quality to their life

>>15376859
He didnt seem happy at all.

>>15376842
>This is a disaster.
so you doomer soifaces keep telling yourself

I for one welcome /pol/ on this blessed birthday day

>>15376851
We're talking 4000 km/h less than target.

>>15376851
i mean if that was the aim he succeeded. actually everything he wanted got done, no explosion at the pad, tower stays intact, valuable flight data acquired, even an accidental structural test with the spinning at the end. i thought this launch was pretty good for what it was, but yeah stage 0 is in shambles

>>15376846
You’re talking to a flat earther bro

>>15376708
>Next year we'll have the Starship development flights AND a likely New Glenn RUD to look forward to

>>15376562
>Thoughts?
I want to fuck that chick from the SpaceX stream. Like every time I see her it motivates me get my shit together, I want to fuck her silly

I know it's unironically one of the least important human spaceflight thing to come out of starship but I'm really worried about hls

>>15376876
sorry anon she isn't into your type

>>15376671
>petty rivalries and GluSHIT cancelling it out of spite
like when companies got told they needed to stop buying russian engines?

>>15376817
two hydro units and one failed on launch while other on the 30 sec mark. Main way hydro loops fail is loss of pressure which means ruptured plumbing. There is one clear source that could have cause that and the hole gives a big hint

>>15376725
Hell yeah this is wholesome

>mfw they claimed "maxQ" even though it was obvious the rocket was barely gaining altitude and was way off the intended flight parameters
This test was a disaster ngl. The only thing they learned was that the launch infrastructure needs to be fully redesigned. Probably most if not all the issues were caused by the shitty ass launch mount. Fucking hell what a horrible situation we are in now!

What would have happened if it had exploded on the pad ? A nuclear crater ? Total annihilation ?

I did not have on my bingo board Brianna Wu and Jonathan McDowell interacting on twitter today

>implying the tower hasn't been ruined
the entire launch site is completely fucking fucked

LET ME OUT
LET ME OFF THIS FUCKING ROCK.
AAAAAAHHHHHHH FUUUUUUUCKKK
FUCK EARTHERS
FUCK ALL OF YOU

I’m gonna be honest, I feel happy about the flight, but disappointed with the Stage Zero damage. Anyone else?

Will future Starships avoid this failure mode with their electric TVC instead of hydraulic?

>>15376797
The actual tanks are 9m in diameter just like Starship. The outer shells are 12m meaning there are 1.5m of insulation all around the tank. I doubt there's much internal damage.

>>15376828
didn't say otherwise, you sensitive faggot

>>15376884
it can still be the max q if its not the max they were expecting

god so many concern trolls today.

>>15376759
>Very encouraging maiden flight
this. that it made it that far despite what looks like multiple critical systems failures shows the design is solid. if anything its the pad that needs the most attention.

Those Spacex videos are like watching North Korean propaganda. Very unsettling.

>>15376879
yjk......

>>15376884
I mean , i think you are exaggerating a little bit. We are in a bad position but they learned an immense amount more than you thing

7m starship soon don't worry about it

>>15376890
that's me. allot of doomers in this thread and tourists. flight was awesome, stage 0 was not.

>>15376896
>god so many concern trolls today.
I wonder how that happened

>>15376509
Yes this is true, I was planning on saying it last thread but whatever

>>15376879
>your type
that's antisemitic

>>15376884
Oh shut the fuck up, they considered complete FUBAR on the pad an option so the fact that it even lifted off is great.
>you’re moving the goalpost
The goalpost was moved when like six new sets of Starships and Super Heavies were constructed with new designs. On to the next launch

>>15376894
give it two days and the rational /sfg/eers will be the only ones left. Right now there are tourists who think kaboom = bad
it's like seeing the Grasshopper explosion and thinking it's all ogre for F9 development

>>15376884
>The only thing they learned was that the launch infrastructure needs to be fully
the delusion of this guy

>>15376888
this
if the fucking tanks are that banged up then all the delicate plumbing and wiring in the tower is FUCKED

>>15376850
yes, shit was cash

>>15376731
Anon, No! You mustn't uoooh at actual children

>>15376885
in short term? even more obnoxious and loud doomer shitbirds. In long term? Delayed timer until second test flight. As it stands they can salvage the pad and tower after repairs but flame control needs a overhaul before next launch

>>15376910
anon?
the olm is a crater

>>15376881
There literally was a whole N1 ON THE PAD and 2 other almost built but Glushko ordered it to not be launched out of fear that its success would allow the N1 program to continue.

>>15376805
wikipedia is run by full on extremists
anything even vaguely political gets a hardcore leftist bias stapled to it, and ol' musky is very political now

>there are multiple people on twitter ANGRY that the spacex engineers were CLAPPING
I need to never visit that site again

>>15376915
>the only thing
>reading comprehension

>>15376896
Well yeah, I'm just venting because I really wanted total oldspace death today. Sorry.

And to be honest, I don't think maxQ will be a worry after today. Motherfucker made flips like a gymnast.

>>15376910
>the delusion of this guy >>15376910
ftfy

The rocket itself seems solid but yeah stage 0 needs complete rework and Raptors have to stop shitting themselves

>>15376918
we keep telling you but you can't fucking learn

I'm going to skip on social media for a few days because all the downright retarded comments on the starship test today from people who really dont know what they are talking about is unreal.
And so many of them do it out of pure hate of elon musk too.

>>15376915
what does olm mean

>>15376922
>>15376920

>>15376929
Nobody answer questions like this

>>15376929
orbital launch mount

>>15376829
I think the advantage of an elevator speaks for itself (also dislaimer I am not the retard saying we should stop launching rockets because muh gigastructures), it is encapsulated and can gradually be lifted with no need for constant acceleration. Even if it takes 100x longer to get up, thats completely fine and costs way less energy/doesnt need rocket fuel to do work

>>15376918
Yeah well people are currently trying the narrative that spacex invented RUD to trivialise explosions and kill American astronauts with their unsafe rockets. Just remember that they’re retarded and don’t matter and think NASA makes their own rockets

>>15376821
I didn't suggest it, another illiterate /SFG/ poster.

>>15376826
I'm autistic and low key hate you all for being so stupid, you are the cancer unironically.

>>15376829
No all the words you said mean nothing in the order you've assembled them. Please try again.

>>15376831
I'm under medicated let me smoke a bowl fren.

>>15376832
I'm not debating fictional technology in a fictional world I am using fiction as an example to show real people what real things can be constructed in the real world. So no sir it seems you are the stupid person after all.

>>15376834
Please explain why space tethers will not work. If you are team Asteroid mining I can respect that, I don't agree but it's a solution and I will give you that good sir. I contend tethers will beat starshop to making asteroid mining possible. It's basic math.

>>15376836
Still no valid response to the science or math, even if i was 14 it seems i'd be smarter than the lot of you save a few diamonds in the rough.

>>15376925
anon I'm sorry, I just can't stop. No where else can I get unique video angles or photos in real time. the shit on it gets in the way of that mission sometimes.

>>15376924
>Raptors have to stop shitting themselves
When they test raptors they don't have the pressure waves of dozens of other engines reflecting back at the engine.

>starship needs a flamepit
>digs one out for next flight in seconds.
Elon does 4D chess again.

N1 was pretty damn stupid beyond just the engine problem. That’s a shit load of resources and fuel for one little beefed up soyuz and a shitty one-man lander that requires an EVA just to board. Energia was a way, WAY better design. Energia could throw 37% more mass to TLI than N1

>15376938
Do newfags really not know that saying shit like /SFG/ makes it super obvious…

>>15376918
The seething and coping about the "USA USA USA" chants after first F9 landings was funnier

He looks quite happy ... kek

What was he thinking in that moment?

>>15376938
>autistic
>medicated
>thinks he's smarter than everyone else

go play some sonic timmy. It's awesome that you enjoy space as a hobby, that's great, but you need to take some collage courses to round out your understanding of how the world works.

>>15376938
>I'm under medicated let me smoke a bowl fren
holy fuck kill yourself faggot.

Elon getting involved with politics was a mistake. People would be praising him and this flight if he was stil
>OMG IRL TONY STARK!!!
From 2017. Anons will disagree with me but it’s true.

>>15376947
its either a bot and its creator doesn't care, or a redditor and they're too stupid to learn

>>15376924
Raptors probably shit themselfs in this case because of the concrete pad disintegrating in every direction.

>>15376918
The angrier they get, the higher their blood pressure, the sooner they die. Just enjoy it and remind yourself that no matter what you do you will never ever be this retarded.

>>15376945
>those spikes
ohnononooooo

>>15376428
this thing is going to kill hundreds of people at once, isn't it?

>>15376954
your are correct

>>15376951
>there’s gotta be a way to sugarcoat this

>15376938
>/SFG/
>mass replier
>former namefag before it got scared of being filtered
>scifi retard

>>15376951
>We arent going to the moon and Tesla is failing and the FDA doesn’t like neura link and I keep aligning myself with retarded Republican politicians like MTG

>>15376951
>I'm a 50 year old man and I blow up billion dollar rockets for fun, all people surrounding me look like ants right now

Listen everyone, you all think SpaceX is smart and shit.
They're in a street to nowhere.
They can't keep their launchpad from blowing up, they can't keep their engines running, and from what I've seen, those engines don't even perform as advertised.

>>15376945
>What are telemetry updates

>>15376954
Yes but normies ruin things they like so I’d rather have Elon/SX with this “underdog but also top dog” status.

>>15376954
elon is smart, he knows that the 2% of political extremes people are going to be loud and stupid on the internet and that that has ZERO INFLUENCE on the real worlds. Praise does not mean starship goes faster.

>>15376959
>1.5g
not a problem

>>15376954
He could've just been a funny rocket autist, but his shitposting autism took over.

>>15376962
hahaha nice one

>>15376959
That's just telemetry data dropping, ignore them

Oh and apparently LOX GSE tank is punctured and leaking

>>15376954
It started with the fucking Thai cave. The twitter thing ruined him among almost anyone, even people who thought he was smart but ran his mouth now think he’s retarded

i'm pretty sure they had considered pad explosions to their list of worst outcomes so they probably have a plan on how to work on it

Come home, white man.

>>15376954
twitter was a mistake

Apologize.

>>15376918
just remember anon. Vast majority of (non bot) monkeys confidently asserting their opinion as fact cant even change their own flat care tire on the road

so why hasn't elon taken a ride on one of his rockets like the bald penis rocket man or the virginity guy?

elon tweet
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1649096661837266945
>>15376976
African children could have breathed that lox

can't wait until New Chad to come online and save /sfg/

yfw it will take them over a year to assemble themselves a new launch site

>costs as much as like 20 Starship test launches
Lmao, never

>>15376976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60YnbafD6vY

>>15376891
They should leave the damage to the outer shells as is; it adds character to the site.

>>15376967
Name three medium lift rockets without googling and who manufactures them.

>>15376983
no, it's still expensive as fuck and
>hydrogen

>>15376989
it didn't even take that long to do it the first time lmao

It seems my superiority has lead to some controversy

>>15376997
superiority in murdering astronauts

SSTLI spaceplanes are the future.

>>15376989
Did they really underestimate how large the damage would be i wonder.

>>15376891
OH NO NO

>>15376989
>yfw repairing the launch site will take 2 decades

>>15376993
No.
2000Km/h max speed is fucking ridiculously low even on 5 engines out

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1649097087248891904

>>15376966
>billion dollar
oh great tourists

>Mass report OP for being a faggot
>/sfg/ gets deleted
>make a new thread in a few hours after all the tourists lose interest
>???
>profit

There is literally nothing wrong with my plan

He was tipping over from the beginning . thats probably 10º or so

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1649096661837266945

some new PR thing?
good to mention the team I guess

>>15376978
he is smart though in what he is involved directly. It is just like typical big brains they make the mistake and start thinking they are a expert in everything. When it comes to engineering and risk venturism he definitely knows his shit. When it comes to stuff like political hot takes like having a favorable view of lawless asiatic tyrannies he definitely does not know his shit

>>15376966
>billion dollar

>>15376983
Hmm I have an open question for the general. ICPS was literally just a delta cryogenic stage, so no shit it worked. EUS is brand new. And with Centaur V fucking exploding it makes me wonder if EUS is going to be at risk. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

We need carbon nanotube air breathing aerospike single stage to orbit air launched z-pinch space planes or we will literally never have replicators on mars

Your ride to orbit, sir

>>15377009
>good to mention the team
This is how I know you are a redditor.

>>15377009
He always does that reddit tourist.

>>15376978
holy tranny seethe

>>15377009
>Thank you for your kind words
he's acting like his kid died

it's over

>>15376996
yeah and they didn't exactly make it to suitable spec for this did they

do NOT use random twitter retards as a heartbeat for overall opinions of the public. A small extreme fraction of the populace is responsible for the VAST MAJORITY of political tweets/posts.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/10/15/differences-in-how-democrats-and-republicans-behave-on-twitter/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/04/70-of-u-s-social-media-users-never-or-rarely-post-or-share-about-political-social-issues/

It is harmful to your health to look at them and does nothing for the discussion as a whole. perhaps one or two are fun to laugh at, but it simply gives us an incorrect assumption about the true stances of the population.

now back to our normal /sfg/ discussion.

>>15376967
bro.. f9 and fh exists?

>>15377009
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1649097194363035651

>>15377005
LOOK AT THE BEACH, HOLY FUCK

He was tipping over from the beginning. Thats probably 10º

The Hermes main ship for multiple missions to Mars, non civilian. The whole idea, time line, and 3D model was made by top space nerds to be hella accurate. They even used Space X as the proposed way it was launched and built.

>The Hermes spacecraft, the result of a decade-long collaboration between NASA, ESA, Roscosmos, JAXA, and ISRO, is the crew transport spacecraft of the Ares Program, built to transport astronauts from Earth to Mars orbit and back. According to astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, in the universe of The Martian, it is "the most complex and expensive object ever built".[1]

Ten years for a single small manned mission to Mars and they estimate it would take all the world's space programs working together. I contend that is a highly accurate depiction of our and Space X's true capability. So a decade from now we might have a hand full of astronauts go to Mars? So what?

How do we get normal people into space, how do we get civilization into space? These are the questions we should ask and I promise you Space X and Elon Musk will never ever make it happen. It's a Simple Jack math equation. Add up the mass(and volume!) of 1 million human bodies without clothes and you see how impossible it would be to light that off the planet let alone everything else we would need.

Elon Musk will at best never send anything important into space. Just whatever the government tells him to launch, a few of his rich friends, and maybe some personal business projects to make him more rich and powerful. You all clapping along the way.

>>15377007
>Mass report OP for being a faggot
>get banned for abusing report function
>???
>profit

>>15376978
>NOOO WHY DID HE TAKE MY H*CKING WHOLSOME PROPAGANDA WEBSITE AND TURN IT INTO /b/ MUH SAFESPACE
Musk has done more for humanity by slowly dismantling that hellhole than any of his rockets could.

>>15377017
I kind of secretly love Delta and Atlas, this is my guilty pleasure

>>15377025
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1649097811756040197

third time is the charm

I can't believe the thing stayed together for a minute of somersaults.

>>15377026
mmm
gongrete

>>15377026
awesome

>>15377026
KEK WTFFFF

HOW THE FUCK CONCRETE REACH THE FUCKING BEACH ??!!! HAHAHAHA

>>15377024
F9 is a different story, they didn't try to develop an impossible engine.
They went for cheap and reliable.

>>15377029
>hella accurate
Did not read beyond this nigger. Go back.

>>15377011
Like all brilliant autists he’s also fucking retarded. Many such cases

>>15376997
first do three roundhouse kicks mid air without shitting yourself and then we will talk

>>15377019
not like this
He has started mentioning his team a lot more during the last few years though, but 3 messages like these in a row are kind of weird

>>15376797
oof

>>15377035
has anyone compiled a list of all the fucking damage the rocket tanked before finally dying?

>>15377034
Don’t read the replies to Bill’s tweet
Total blackpill lol

>>15377026
Holy shit it's a fuckin concrete cannon!

>>15376797
Just pump it up and the dents will disappear

>>15377039
Yes, congrats on figuring that out, brand new tech needs a lot of testing.

>>15377030
>I'm so new I don't even how the report system works and I think that the same IP can report the same post multiple times

>>15377031
I agree it’s based that he’s ruining twitter but he also ruined his reputation for most people by doing it

>>15377018
???

>>15377009
>good to mention the team I guess
he always does newtranny

>>15376805
>[Citation needed]

>>15376472
The lack of flame trench is just mind-bogglingly stupid. Even a toddler could guess that your engines are going to get fucked up, especially when you have THIRTY-THREE of them. It's just another instance of how amateurish this entire project is, and has been, so far.

>>15377032
We can love Saturn and shuttle while admitting they weren't a sustainable way forward

>>15377035
its built stronger that the thousands of tons of steel and concrete that make up the pad, its a fucking tank.

>>15377026
GONGRETE :DDDD

>>15376725
Awwwe. It's like the '90s again.

>>15377052
Why would anyone care?
He's into the space business, and the masses are plebs who go
>WHY DON'T YOU SPEND THAT MONEY ON EARTH
whenever they tell them about it.

>>15377045
has to be a lot, but damn it was amazing how long it survived that spin.

Elon does not seem happy.

>>15377026
Kek based good eye anon

>>15377058
Go build a rocket and shut the fuck up, Jeff

I want to see the LOX tank camera during the flips. slosh slosh slosh

>>15376980
imagine starship with an aerospike

>>15377049
Listen, in less than 24 hours, someone's gonna come up with telemetry and tell you how raptor underperformed

>>15377026

>>15377009
you retard do know there are other minds working in the company right. Its not king chud sitting alone in the hangar welding big space penis

I'm sorry guys. This is all my fault. I failed nofap right before launch.

>>15377045
>>15377060
Fucking unbelievable. Makes me think reentry isn't going to be that hard to solve, the thing is definitely not an aluminum can covered in ceramic tiles

>>15376965
>We arent going to the moon
Moon is hollow projection
>Tesla is failing
Tesla was never meant to succeed, it was meant to accelerate electric adoption
>the FDA doesn’t like neura link
FDA employees will be neurolinked into liking it also cash bribes
>keep aligning myself with retarded Republican politicians like MTG
Who?

>>15377058
How do you dig a trench in a fucking swamp?
This is why one of the main worries was whether the launchpad could survive, because building a trench is not an option.

>>15377065
maybe deep down he was expecting total success or immediate explosion. somewhere in between is fine, but is a lot of work.
orrrrrr we're misreading his body language because he hasn't slept for 40 hours

>>15377042
can other rocket handle this type of abuse?

>>15376952
Again zero mathematical or scientific rebuttal....just ad hominem attacks. That must be the true sign of intelligence I suppose.
>>15376953
again, see above
>>15376964
again, see above
>>15376980
Unironically better than Space X trash, might be able to combine with hybrid tether system huh? Makes you think.

>>15377040
again, see above

I love how /sci/ has the most retards of any board on 4chins, pottery.

>>15377065
Because he realises that it if it wasnt for the concrete taking out the engines and hydraulics it probably would have been a succesfull test.
And the guys who told him he doesnt need a flame trench are probably sweating bullets right now.

>>15377026
Holy shit hahahahah

>>15377026
Damn, some splashes on the water look like they're at least 800m away from the launch pad.

>>15377075
What about a steel can covered in ceramic tiles?

>>15377075
And yes I have been a reentry doomer up until now

>>15376949
Remember foreign people who's civilizations have never accomplished anything at all are on the internet now. That was a mistake.

>>15377081
>Unironically better than Space X trash
How, literally no vehicle has ever used it.

>>15376797
Those are just the covers

>>15377065
He's not stupid unlike the tier-1s who infest /sfg/. He knows its bad.

>>15377026
>>15377005
wtf
starbase is going to look like a 10,000 ton frag grenade went off

>>15377028
not only that
IT'S MOVING SIDEWAYS (a bit)
apologise to Astra right fucking now

>>15376938
>I was just pretending to be retarded.
The post.

>>15377082
>the guys
I’m willing to bet that decision was pure Elon

>>15377006
>>15377012
They didn't bought it for 1B$ but the value of the infrastructure, training talent, experience from other launches puts it over a billion, I'm stretching it but you wouldn't be able to put a price on starship also

If you can't answer this question within ten seconds...

1. stop posting
2. lurk /sfg/ a minimum of one year

Your compliance is mandatory.

>>15377093
>IT'S MOVING SIDEWAYS (a bit)
Yeah, because engines on one side didn't turn on.