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15371536 No.15371536 [Reply] [Original]

>random dude asks “what caused the Big Bang?”
>nothing lol. everything started with le big bang. your question is nonsensical btw
this is literally what they are advertising to the general population. why are physicists and popsci journalists such subhumans when it comes to this? why do they assume that the average person uses terms like “time” or “before” or “universe” or “the beginning” like they do?
do they even consider that most of the time the question being asked is ontological/metaphysical, and no one has a clue about its context under a conventional physics and general relativity framework?
>when we say nothing caused the Big Bang, we really mean that it’s outside of our reach as physicists, but I’m not gonna say that to you. I will assume that you somehow know what we mean by this.
>also when we talk about “everything” or “universe”, we won’t bother letting you know that we are referring to everything under physics only. So what if the majority of people confuse it with ontology and reality.

>> No.15371556

>>15371536
I'm still flabbergasted by the fact that Lawrence Krauss wrote an entire book trying to redefine what the word "nothing" means because he lost a debate with William Lane Craig. Are all physicists that insecure?

>> No.15371561

Why does OP picrel get spammed here so much?
>>/sci/image/4xVUrKBJdWWi5zHGTjLRgA
The big bang is just a shitty atheistic rewrite of the book of Genesis

>> No.15371591
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15371591

>big bang
>black holes
>dark matter
>dark energy
>10 dimensions

>> No.15371679
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15371679

the big bang really happened
god is real
the big bang was god splooging

>> No.15371699

>>15371536
>random dude asks “what caused the Big Bang?”
>nothing lol. everything started with le big bang. your question is nonsensical btw
Scientists aren't the ones telling you nothing existed before the big bang. That's journalists.

>> No.15371844

>>15371556
awww it's retarded

>> No.15372460

>>15371536
I've had five separate conversations with laypeople over the last month about the big bang after they found out I'm a cosmologist and started asking me questions. I make it very clear that nobody knowa what happened before the Big Bang and that we have no idea what caused it, although there are many hypotheses.

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15372487

>>15371556
>Lawrence Krauss wrote an entire book trying to redefine what the word "nothing" means
>>15371699
>Scientists aren't the ones telling you nothing existed before the big bang. That's journalists.
Good job. I'm totally mindfucked now.

>> No.15372629

I thought you cNt create or destroy matter.. sooo big bang created mater so there is a god!

>> No.15377362

Believing in the big bang is a religious belief. Everything from nothing, for unknown reasons? And that's supposed to be scientific? C'mon.

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15377518

>>15372487
Keep paying them to tell you what to think

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15378025

this is the best representation of 'Universe'

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15378707

>>15372487
>aftwerward by richard dawkins
Imagine God living so rent free in your head that you, as a biologist who knows nothing of physics, have to shill some physicist's cope filled book that tries to hand wave away the fact it's always going to be illogical for something to come from nothing all because your idiot atheist belief system is more illogical than believing in a prime mover.

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15378756

>>15371699
>Scientists aren't the ones telling you nothing existed before the big bang. That's journalists.
Steven Hawking said it
"There is nothing south of the South Pole, so there was nothing around before the Big Bang"

Around 1:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ88kC2Nx8M

>> No.15378811

https://youtu.be/oIFjkYhNXkE

>> No.15378851

>>15372487
Okay, so not just journalists say it but also Lawrence Krauss and probably some other scientists who the journalists are repeating. And then there are other people like Michio Kaku who apparently goes around telling reporters that the Higgs boson caused the big bang. But as far as I know most scientists are like >15372460.

>> No.15378873

>>15378756
literally his personal theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartle%E2%80%93Hawking_state

>> No.15378891

>>15378873
>literally his personal theory
Not sure why you think that claim is significant.
He's a "scientist", or rather "not a journalist," telling you nothing existed before BB.
Are you trying to make a, rather ridiculous, claim he does not count for some reason?

>> No.15378900

>>15378873
That paper has thousands of citations so a large number of scientists seem to agree with him.

>> No.15378923

>>15378900
And he might be right. But he should have been more clear that it's yet to be substantiated by evidence (as far as I know) when talking to the media about it.

>> No.15379049

>>15378707
Atheists really haven't been able to cope since the 2000s. It's all been downhill for them since The God Delusion was published.