/sci/ - Science & Math

Starship will succeed inshallah

>>15367475
so will the QI thruster demo on Transporter-8

>>15367477
what ever happened to his darpa funding and the light loop? too much tape outgassing?

propellant is stored in the balls

starship WILL complete its entire mission. nasa skittle trannies seething

Do they have no shame?

So how did the cameras on pioneer and voyager and shit work? I genuinely have no idea but somehow they were able to take photos and transmit the data

>>15367484
anon wasnt joking...

>>15367491
They scanned the film line by line, there's actually a pretty good animation of how it's done on a Pioneer in one of the For All Mankind episodes

>>15367489
>Chinese
>Shame
Only when it comes to losing face.

>>15367501
Sweet. It used magnetic tape right? And then, I assume, scanned it and just beamed the corresponding electrical signal line by line? I wonder how it did color. It’s so fascinating. I’m sure they needed to mass autism everything and I can’t imagine deep space-grade cameras were a simple thing to design back then

>>15367467
I'm so glad this edit is getting a lot of mileage

>>15367485
does anybody have a link of confirmed Ariane 6 launches?

>>15367509
sneed

>>15367489
>powerpoint slides
its fucking nothing.jpg

>>15367513
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_6#Launch_contracts_and_scheduled_flights

one day spacex will want to expand starship launch sites to other countries. only then will the EU pounce and try to take control of spacex as much as possible, just like they do with tech companies.

>>15367473
Why is the camera quality so poor? It's not like the ESA can't procure decent ones

>>15367489
let them have fun cargoculting

>>15367532
space is hard

>>15367532
A payload going to Jupiter will always have to cut some corners when launched from shit like Ariane 5.

>>15367531
thats why he should cut off the EU. bad place to launch from anyways, he will probably put launch sites in equatorial countries so probably places like india, indonesia, africa if they can find people there, etc.

>>15367513
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_6#Launch_contracts_and_scheduled_flights

>>15367491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4UgZBs7ZGo

How can Europe be so pathetic? I really don't understand. They have everything to be a superpower, all the resources and funds, yet a single South African turboautist with some money comes along and absolutely destroys them. Quite sad.

>>15367428
This will happen to Amazon Kuiper too haha

>>15367540
Cargo cults and industrial espionage are quite different.

>>15367569
>be Oneweb
>on the verge of bankruptcy
>swallow your pride
>contract out launches to your rival
>everything goes smoothly and you now have a working, profitable megaconstallation
>Be Amazon
>think you're too good for that
>contract out to meme vehicles that have never launched
>generate 3D renders of base stations to drum up hype
>5 years later have no constellation and no revenue
>sue NASA just because you can

>>15367572
>industry espionage
they went and found unity assets and put stickers on them lol

>>15367576
The biggest thing we’ve learned from BO’s failures is that there really is a limited pool of aerospace talent that can get things done. It seems like outside of SpaceX and certain teams at NASA, most aerospace work is done in this weird bubble where progress is always a year or two away, and where anything that does get done takes years of bureaucratic drudgery done by teams that are way too large and cumbersome.

>>15367599
It's a field that has become pathologically risk averse over half a century. That's why (almost) everything moves super slow and not in the break shit to see what happens and learn from it way.

SpaceX had already begun BFR development by the time FH flew, and talked about it openly for years. Will ULA/Ariane announce their super heavy lifters as soon as Vulcan/A6 fly?

>>15367480
DARPA funding is what led to an American company ground testing the hardware in Virginia and flight testing it. McCulloch is also continuing to do lab work of his own to refine the thruster design theory. The light loop was dropped in favor of the paired capacitor plate design derived from Becker & Bhatt's paper.

>>15367609
ULA doesn't build their own engines and BO has no plans to fuck themselves over on New Glenn so they'd have to acquire Aerojet Rocketdyne or start engine dev from scratch.

>>15367609
Nope
They don't think a heavy lift will be profitable

Not only does it impede movement there are also dynamics to worry about. Vote for atmosphere removal.

>>15367609
no

>>15367631
I'll vote yes but only if we make cloning research legal too

>>15367565
He destroyed as well all the other american oldspace.

>>15367565
He destroyed everyone to be fair. Literally only China and India are standing because they just do state launches. And we know that even if China can try and keep up with the cadence, they are about tapped out, and worse, the amount of tonnage they hurling up into space is only a fraction of what SpaceX is.

It's just a galactic mogging.

The Russian general that spit on Musk's shoes when he tried to buy some ICBMs from them must be rolling in his grave right now.

>>15367609
BFR has a clear purpose - Mars colony and Starlink.
"Eurostarship" has nowhere to go unless they fund a colony on Moon/Mars, some sort of giga constellation or beamed solar array.
There's no political will to do these. Why? I genuinely don't know.
>>15367565
my personal theory is that none of the top politicians in EU are really visionaries in any way whatsoever
they are all spineless burocrats who get fired upwards for incompetence in their home countries
Also all creative energy they might have is lost in institutional friction between 27 countries and hundreds of institutions

>>15367489
>Ofering Star X
>The luxury returning rocket you deserve now
>plesant orbits to enjoy much
>only 300 ¥

>>15367630
it definitely wont if spacex gets there first

>>15367630
They know they can’t build something as big as Starship for as cheap as Starship. When your business model has been “slow and safe” for the last 60 years (yes I know ULA isn’t that old but they are historically an amalgam of old space) you simply can’t flip a switch one day and just randomly weld sheet metal into a Saturn V

a starship space station will be about as expensive as a yacht. will rich people start making the switch?

>>15367565
>>15367637
SpaceX's secret is vertical integration. One company in one country building their own engines and flying their own payloads (Starlink) was needed to make reuse economical. Oldspace contractor madness was never going to compete.

>>15367653
I will die on the “ITS was the best design” hill, but my FUCK does starship look great. I imagine by the time construction gets more automated and less artisan it will look even sexier

>>15367659
well there is no political will to do USA government built super heavy lift vehicle either really, or much of anything space related
some parties are excited to use Starship now that it seems to be close to functioning, but generally people don't give a shit about space or even know about it

>>15367663
>You simply can’t flip a switch one day and just randomly weld sheet metal into a Saturn V
You can, but first you need faith of the heart

>>15367671
Kek very true
>>15367653
This is the coolest rocket ever made just look at it

>>15367666
well, how much is fueling costs? also is there a market for that? ONLY SpaceX could make them

>>15367666
How many rich people are there that would be willing to put down the tens of millions to build their own space station and the tens of millions to go to and from it?

>>15367677
they pay billions for yachts sir. tens of millions is pocket change

>>15367671
>have you seen my hat?

>>15367677
Branson has proved you can be a billionaire and be retarded with your money. And there’s probably hundreds of middle easterners with way too much money and free time who would be willing
The problem is a) it’s not really a flex the same way a car or yacht is—as your kind of just up there by yourself
b) even a cheap starship is expensive as fuck to fuel. And that’s not even counting the money you would need to pay SX to maintain your station when you aren’t there. Someone will need to track it, keep up with its vitals for life support and power consumption, reboost it, etc. and no one is going to do that for free

>>15367684
>I miss my hat

>>15367687
just branson has proved this? how much does bezos pay you.

>>15367666
Gravitics StarMAX and the Airbus space station will probably cost more, how much are you thinking of when you say a yacht? Not a super-yacht like bezos has which is 0.5 billion I guess?
the cheapest are like 100k, there is a very large range here

>S25 never flying
>No confidence at all in S24 reentering
>S26 and S27 breaking up during reentry
>S28 being the first Starship to have a serious reentry attempt
>B7, B9, B10 all splashing down
what went so wrong?

https://twitter.com/VickiCocks15/status/1648302405186887680

>>15367690
Bezos?

>>15367666
I think they'll be more like luxury hotels than yachts. And in terms of cost, once you factor in maintenance and transportation to the station, it will be much more expensive than just about any yacht and harder to sell if they ever get bored of it or need the cash.

>>15367690
The pay is quite good, actually. Say what you will about my employer, but he has objectively done more to uplift this industry than scammy Branson

>>15367701
https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1648380024402198530

>>15367693
the saudi kings are fucking trillionaires at this point, and the most expensive super yacht is like $1.5b. they can afford it, especially since prices will come WAAAYYYY down before even the first manned launch. $1m fueling costs is only double a megayachts $500k, spacex wants the cost per engine down to $250k so, and sheet metal only costs so much

>>15367701
Not trying to be rude, but who cares?

We knew they are going to redo the attempt on the 20th, and we also know that Musk has made it known to the team in charge of fuel that he will fire every last one of them if they don't have enough fuel on hand.

>>15367689

>>15367697
nothing, this was the plan from the beginning retard. theyre attempting the most powerful fucking rocket in history theyre being cautious to not destroy everything theyve built around it>>15367709

>>15367701
Wouldnt mind putting my cocks inside Vicki if you know what I'm implying

>Le Falcon Neuf
berger has outdone himself

>>15367547
It especially sucks when you consider that our launch capabilities are going up so quickly that SpaceX could very easily get something out there before JUICE even if it only started on making the payload just now, but nobody will send anything like that for a while because "they're already sending a mission, why send another right now?"
I mean, the Dragonfly is getting to Titan in 2034, and that's only if everything goes according to schedule (which it obviously never does). Imagine if SpaceX just said fuck it and made their own Titan payload, launched it via starship and got it there in '27.

>>15367549
>equatorial countries
Like French Guiana kek?

>>15367669
ITS was the most kino indeed.

>>15367711
I'm not doubting it will happen, just more interested when exactly

you are now remembering the 2016 space conference musk questioning

>>15367713
OH MY GAH!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1wcilQ58hI
DOS DIAS

>>15367729
The penultimate day 2: even more penultimator

>>15367701
>All that pollution into the air just to bring a gorillion trucks carrying propellant for EVERY SINGLE LAUNCH ATTEMPT
lmao, so much for saving the planet

>>15367729
I'm glad I upgraded my laptop. can watch in 4k

>>15367719
It's a man..

>>15367671
Does anyone have that post from L2 with some guy saying that the water tower couldn't be possible because if it was possible then every conversation about what is and isn't possible would be forever ruined by "That time in South Texas."

>>15367727
I remember that was scrubbed from the record

>>15367726
The Saudis already bought a private Dragon 2 launch.

>>15367687
>a) it’s not really a flex the same way a car or yacht is—as your kind of just up there by yourself
Not really. You could always just bring up more people and stay for a shorter amount of time.
>b) even a cheap starship is expensive as fuck to fuel.
It's really not.
>And that’s not even counting the money you would need to pay SX to maintain your station when you aren’t there. Someone will need to track it, keep up with its vitals for life support and power consumption, reboost it, etc. and no one is going to do that for free
Tracking it is easy. You can restock it in the same flight as you go up to it. You don't need to reboost it if you just put it in a higher orbit. And considering that it'll just be a small luxury thing it's not like you'll need the extra mass that Starship can bring to a lower orbit. These costs are negligible. The upfront cost of building it and getting it to orbit isn't that bad. Needing to pay for a full Starship flight each time you want to go to and from your space station is the real problem.
>>15367706
Yeah, maybe we'll see a big station built in a higher orbit with it being more like its own resort. That would greatly alleviate a lot of the concerns and problems as you'd be able to bring people up to and down from the station hundreds at a time rather than needing to use a Starship for just a few people at a time. Basically leveraging scale to make it practical. Sort of odd to think that a luxury Stanford torus is more feasible than small private space stations.
Maybe it would be comprised of two counter-rotating donuts so that it could have a section jutting out from the middle that would be a zero gravity area.

>>15367734
Good god I take it back in that case

>>15367670
>there is no political will to do USA government built super heavy lift vehicle
What's SLS then? We don't have even that heap garbage. HLS exists because SLS exists.
there's a huge will to go to Moon (even if the real reason is to keep the lights on for Shuttle boomers)
>generally people don't give a shit about space or even know about it
you have launches from Florida (and other places too) and sense of national pride in being first on the Moon and have shit like Star Wars and Star Trek that feeds the interest further. Russian only sense of pride is Gagarin and WWII. That's their religion.
But for Europe, spaceflight is something that happens entirely outside of Europe and "therefore it's not important and not our concern".
People are very ignorant about things that don't concern them or at least things that aren't visible.

I believe we need European launch site in continental Europe, first and foremost.
And it had to be somewhere where people actually live and can see and hear it, if things were to improve.

>>15367744
nigger sneed

>>15367745
yeah

>>15367744
Europe is not a country thoughever and therefor lacks any sense of real unity. I don't care if Frenchies or Germoids have a launch site/space program. ESA is not my agency.

>>15367749
where you from?

>>15367740
people would want to do something in space, perhaps have the same luxuries they would on a normal resort now just with a different view, with the added bonus of all kinds of new activities enabled by microgravity (or perhaps differential gravity), sports, flying around etc
for old people it might even be a relief to live their last days in less than 1g perhaps, who knows
A starship based space station is going to get boring just being there after a number of weeks for most people if you have really nothing to do than float around, probably way faster than a few weeks
people get used to things very quickly

>>15367750
Finland (not the stampcuck)

>>15367751
>WAAOOWW ITS JUST LIKE DA BOOKS!!! I FUCKING LOVE SOIENCE!!!

>>15367754
are you the twink that was reporting in for the launch thread with your boyfriend? if you are gtfo, if not hello

>>15367712
well for one now there is a pretty good idea how much fuel vs oxidizer is vented and so on, looks like not much methane, but a shitload of nitrogen was used

>>15367722
>"they're already sending a mission, why send another right now?"
To mog and humiliate ESA, especially the french
fuck the french

from the pics of future SH & their installed hardware, which one might be the first to be caught?

>>15367744
>But for Europe, spaceflight is something that happens entirely outside of Europe and "therefore it's not important and not our concern".
There's some pride in France about Ariane, there are also pride about national european astronauts (nobody cares about astronauts of other european countries tho); But in the end there's only so much public interest space can create without an indigenous Manned program or REALLY flashy missions like mars rovers (kek exomars).

>I believe we need European launch site in continental Europe, first and foremost.
>And it had to be somewhere where people actually live and can see and hear it
Kinda mutually incompatible isn't it?
It's Either norway or northern Scotland if you want an actual large scale polar/high latitude launch center; and nobody live there, I guess scotland can appeal to the british national pride, but Britain has been uninterested in launchers since the 70s and Orbex and Skyrora are only starting to change that.

Then there's Azores and Canaries (one Pegasus actually launched there once), but that has the same problems as French Guyana, it's too far away.

That only really leaves Cornwall/Brittany as places with decent inclination for polar launches that already had some experience with space launches (Launcher one for the former, French ICBM tests for the later) that also are decently populated and driveable.

Mediterranean coast (in spain and italy) was also considered back in the 60s, but it's WAY too built up now.

>>15367749
Unironically this, people are utterly fucking retarded if they think there exist some unified European identity within Europe.

>>15367722
>dragonfly
what a fucking miserable probe. wont even visit the lakes which is the whole reason titan is cool. i hate nasa so much bros

>>15367755
now that you mention it, you're kinda right. cool

>>15367739
thats a far cry from a permanent private space station
also, its not only about the cost of the space station itself, you would need to have reasonably cheap transit there
Lets say you could make some cheapo space station and launch it with Starship for 50 mil, but starship is not human rated for years and you would be forced to pay 50mil a pop to get to the station each time
I don't think many people would be that interested

>>15367749
you don't matter and so you caring is irrelevant. We need the frenchies and germs to care so they pay up.
>>15367744
a southern spain launchsite over the med or bulgaria/romania site over the black sea would be sick, but that shit's never ever happening.

>>15367773
if it goes to the lakes it might pee in the lake and seed it with earth life forms, forever altering the biology of titan. henceforth we will never ever be able to distinguish between earth life and titans (shut the FUCK UP about genetic history)

>>15367771
all i see from euros on this site is everyone at each others throats except for the nordic countries.

>>15367744
> I believe we need European launch site in continental Europe, first and foremost.
Where? Launch from spain over the mediterranean or something?

>>15367753
>A starship based space station is going to get boring just being there after a number of weeks for most people if you have really nothing to do than float around, probably way faster than a few weeks
I would never get tired of the observation bubble

HLS is cool, SLS and NASA are not

>>15367749
this pretty much, another finnish person here

>>15367790
yeah, but most people are brainlets

>>15367732
>lmao, so much for saving the planet
Fuck the planet, is full of trannies, women and jews anyway.

>>15367790
observation bubble? holy fuck imagine floating around in there just staring out at the cosmos for days on end. fuck man that would be awesome.

>>15367782
>you don't matter and so you caring is irrelevant
the germs or frenchies don't care either if it's some soulless pan-european shit program

i want to be a starship space station engineer once being an astronaut is common

>>15367749
>>15367795
Yeah but you guys are finns, you're naturally asocial.

>>15367732
hey man, we tried to build a gas extractor on site but the FAA said it would kill the planet

>>15367791
>forced perspective to hide the HLS and Gateway size disparity
wew

>>15367805
The people and politician don't care either, but only a few countries can pay for it

>>15367744
>I believe we need European launch site in continental Europe, first and foremost.
And it had to be somewhere where people actually live and can see and hear it, if things were to improve.
Kek no, unless you live in the country with the launch site you will not give a single shit. A rocket launching from southern Spain/northern Sweden/wherever will be no different for the average person in Europe to one launching from Florida. You won't see this improve because nobody buys the garbage European identity that EU had been so desperate to shill. The only ones that considers being European an identity is ironically Americans.

>>15367812
didnt even notice that, theyre making gateway look like a literal space station instead of onions cuck orbital capsule

>>15367815
>nobody buys the garbage European identity that EU had been so desperate to shill.
Only good thing the EU has been trying to do.

huh, the amount of finns in this general is noticeable, maybe even concerning

>>15367823
you know why there are so many finns on 4chins?

>>15367823
Finns and being desperate for attention online. Name a more iconic combo.

>>15367771
The people (in a very loose sense of the word) who actually believe in it are either soulless bugmen administrators or Frogs/Krauts who envision a federalized EU under their hegemony. Half the reason European countries want the US in NATO is them not wanting to defer to another European country on defense.

>>15367791

>>15367822
european countries are nation states with their own languages and cultures, they're simply don't need or want a new identity (this will change soon, with a truly pan-european EMIRATE)

>>15367532
Because it's just an engineering camera, it's not one of the main instruments. Note that NASA doesn't even use such cameras, they could not take an image of Lucy's solar panel deployment issue because unlike ESA they don't have monitoring cameras. Personally I think it's a missed opportunity. Thanks ESA for the atmospheric photos.

>>15367489
The most fun part about it is that all these chink startups are never going to actually make anything.

well didnt this just become /pol/ fast. lets get back to spaceflight. WHAT THE FUCK IS EVEN GOING ON AT SPACE SYMPOSIUM NOBODY HAS ANSWERED THIS

>>15367826
i met a finn irl in arizona. he was very ugly but a fun, kind person

>>15367833
a big part of it seems to be about networking, but I guess its like any other symposium, companies and government organizations talking about their projects, meeting parties that might be interested in working together, informing about the stuff they are doing
so networking/information event, maybe some deals made

they are currently on the OLM doing stuff

>>15367807

>>15367854
Truly THE kino EVA suit

>>15367831
I fucking love rosetta
this one mission made sure I will shill decade long gravity assist trajectories till I die

>>15367473
>>15367532
We had a WHOLE FUCKING DISCUSSION last thread on why those are just engineering cameras and yet you retards insist on "hurr why does it look bad???? juice bad"
I wish there was a /astronomy general/ here so that you retards won't even bother with it

Pluto is not and has never been a planet

>>15367823
Stop noticing. There is no conspiracy. Consume stamp.

Daily reminder that short stay missions are absolutely haram

>>15367865
Astronomy is a subset of spaceflight

>>15367831
Kino and spooky pic

>>15367870
Blows my mind that this elusive idea of “Mars landing eventually” has been around since like, before Apollo 11. And to this day NO ONE has put a human in LEO for longer than a year and a half

>>15367722
SpaceX will most likely never bother with probes due to their colonization autism.
Every time someone suggests probes here on /sfg/ they are hit with "NOOO PROBES ARE A WASTE WE NEED TO COLONIZE MARS"
At least Starship will be very good for sending probes made by others and skip the gravity assist period.

>>15367850
fixing the valve perhaps?

>>15367871
but quite a lot of people here hate astronomy

>>15367659
europe including the uk is broke and what little money we do have we spend on welfare and dystopian 2030 climate ambitions. it's a retired oap continent just waiting to die.

>>15367882
you mean the one elon pissed in? yeah probably

>>15367878
I mean they might just do one for the memes or something to demonstrate deep space starship capabilities
like the roadster with Falcon Heavy
something flashy so its sure to be noticed by all relevant parties, maybe get some hype from the general public

>>15367863
>rosetta
>10 years of gravity assists
>bepicolombo
>7 years of gravity assists
>JUICE
>8 years of gravity assists
euros fucking love gravity assists, man

>>15367788
yeah, Spain over Mediterranian or Romania/Bulgaria over Black Sea (provided the locals won't steal the stage zero to scrapyard) or bring in the Duch and make artificial Island for the actual pad where to explody bits go.
Cape Canaveral is basically downtown. It doesn't have to be in a complete middle of nowhere (must not be).
>>15367815
People actually travel to Spain or Greece for holidays
nobody goes to fucking Guyana ever

https://twitter.com/ChenrySpace/status/1648377695577817110

> Here's a useful chart of upcoming ESA projects.

https://twitter.com/Maxar/status/1648315167409831936

>>15367884
I have great respect for the OGs who had to change photographic plates on top of a mountain in winter. The modern ones who sit at screens in heated rooms drinking coffees and exchanging troonshine recipes on their discord, not so much.

>>15367896
Please for the love of fuck just kill Vega already

https://twitter.com/KSAT_Kongsberg/status/1648317971083804674

>>15367895
Other Euros going to Spain and seeing a rocket launch is literally no different than going to the US and doing the same, just cheaper.

>>15367891
At most I think Musk could commission a probe from an institution that has a history of doing them. SpaceX makes technology for propulsion, manned spaceflight and comsats, but as far as I'm aware they never developed any scientific instrument.

A bunch of spacesymposium livestreams, one starting in under an hour (International partnerships, sounds pretty boring)

https://mainenginecutoff.com/live-at-space-symposium-2023

https://twitter.com/WeHaveMECO/status/1648318525872955393

LEO Commercialization in 24h might be interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DA_yKuZo9M

>>15367899
Yeah i’m in the same boat. What I call the golden age, or the time when large telescopes began to be constructed and a serious effort was made to categorize everything that could be seen and studied beyond just the local planets and stars, was cool. Now it’s a bunch of blue hairs. I had a lot of dealings with astroons because the geology and astronomy departments physically overlapped at my university and they are all fucking crazy SJWs

>>15367899
You just confirmed what I said. At most you care about the person, not the data.

>>15367896
>A Mogensen Huginn
the what?

>>15367898
lol why??

>>15367687
I doubt that foreigns will be allowed to buy Starships outright for quite some time.

>>15367918
name of one of odins two ravens, its apparently about a danish astronaut going to ISS on dragon
pretty gay name for a mission that is just about going to the ISS

https://www.esa.int/esatv/Videos/2023/04/Huginn_Mission_-_Andreas_Mogensen_Training/Andreas_Mogensen_Astronaut_ESA_Soundbite_ENGLISH

https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Human_and_Robotic_Exploration/Introducing_Huginn

> Andreas is scheduled to fly on a SpaceX Crew Dragon as part of Crew-7 to the International Space Station, but is also ready as backup pilot for Crew-6. He previously spent 10 days in space on a Space Station mission called ‘iriss’ in 2015.

>>15367911
When you look at a picture of a nebula, do you think of "I bet this was processed by a sjw" instead of thinking about the actual picture?

>>15367928
Yes

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1648360981737734146

https://twitter.com/Thales_Alenia_S/status/1647978757137870850

>>15367929
And this is how pathetic /space fags/ are.
It's not different from the retards who look at a Saturn V and think "but it was designed by natzies!!!!!"

>>15367930
Nascar [math]\unicode{x1F480}[/math]

>>15367489
If they can actually recreate a f9 heavy I'd be impressed.

>>15367926
the mission already has a name, crew-7? I guess the naming/logo department needs jobs too I guess..

https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1648362694171590656

>>15367930
it looks even worse than the teaser. this POS better cost 2 million or less

>>15367936
you support nazis?

https://twitter.com/Axiom_Space/status/1648356616960462849

https://spacenews.com/axiom-announces-new-government-human-spaceflight-program/

> COLORADO SPRINGS — Axiom Space has introduced a new program to allow countries to create human spaceflight programs without needing to develop their own infrastructure or other capabilities.

>>15367936
Yeah alright you raise a good point, but unlike the faggots who cry about WvB every time he’s brought up I keep my mouth shut whenever I see a photo from Webb or Hubble or whatever. I don’t make hating the “other team” for brownie points part of my own identify. It’s just something I think about whenever astronomy is brought up

>>15367940
damn... this is what innovation looks like

>>15367863
>>15367863
This one was also cool. The colour is added, but JUICE will be able to take real colour images for it's flybys.

>>15367940

>>15367946
don't bloody think itar allows it

>>15367936
gb2r

>>15367940
Does SpaceX do any gay shit like this at space symposium?

>>15367930
Looks like a modern redesign of the Apollo rover but with bigger fenders which seems... unwise.

The NASCAR sponsorship doesn't bother me. Sounds like they'll be partnering with NASCAR for broadcast rights, which is neat.

>>15367936
Go back to fixing your pajeet code astroon

>>15367946
Translation: give us money and we take your nationals to space for that sweet sweet national prestige.

>>15367928
If someone is prepared to lie about reality for political reasons that does taint my evaluation of their work and I'm unapologetic about that

>>15367946
>In the base tier, Axiom provides countries with advice and insight, and gives those countries priority access on upcoming missions. The second tier enables research and development activities by counties. The third tier offers human spaceflight missions on a regular basis. A fourth tier offers countries the ability to co-develop parts of Axiom’s station.

>The first country to join the program is Azerbaijan, which will work with Axiom on satellite solutions and inspiring students to pursue space research and development activities. New Zealand and Uzbekistan are also participating, as well as Rakia Mission, an Israeli space education and research organization involved with the Ax-1 private astronaut mission to the ISS a year ago.

>Italy is another nation working with Axiom through a partnership that dates back to 2018. An Italian astronaut is slated to fly on Axiom’s Ax-3 mission to the ISS, currently scheduled for late 2023. Two astronauts from Saudi Arabia are flying on the Ax-2 mission in May.

> Private astronauts make up the second part of the market. “They want to go. They find us,” he said. “It’s not about convincing them they should go. It’s about how you get them to go.”

>The third, and potentially biggest, part of the market is corporations. “That’s the future of Axiom, where the value really gets created, like the internet,” Bhatia said.

> The challenge there is convincing companies that they can conduct research and development in space that will be profitable. “There’s a big jump from the science experiments that have been done in space and reports on the potential return to a CEO of a Fortune 100 company being able to go out to Wall Street analysts and say, ‘I’m going to make this big investment,” he said.

>>15367946
>>15367961
Holy kek
The fast food of "space programs"

https://spacenews.com/nasa-releases-architecture-for-human-exploration-of-the-moon-and-mars/

>Speaking at the 38th Space Symposium April 18, NASA Deputy Administrator Pam Melroy rolled out a 150-page document describing its plans for the initial series of Artemis missions to the moon and how they fit into a set of more than 60 objectives for its long-term plans for human missions to the moon and Mars.

>“The architecture concept review details plans for early human exploration of the moon’s south pole,” she said. “It provides more definition for plans through Artemis 4 and sets the stage for the first crewed missions to Mars.”

>The document describes how the various programs in development fit together to carry out those missions, such as the Space Launch System, Orion, Gateway and Human Landing System. Those programs are linked to specific objectives, functions and use cases for those missions.

>Along with the architecture document, NASA released several white papers to explain aspects of the architecture, such as the use of the near-rectilinear halo orbit around the moon and the Gateway that will operate in it.

the pdf: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20230002706/downloads/M2MADD_ESDMD-001(TP-20230002706).pdf

the architecture page with 6 white papers:
https://www.nasa.gov/MoonToMarsArchitecture

>>15367964
It's more like a microwave dinner

>>15367965
150 pages to say "hitch a ride with SpaceX"?

>>15367965
> “I think they provide a very succinct description of why we’re doing what we’re doing, and especially how the Artemis missions to the moon are going to reduce the risk for future Mars missions,” Melroy said of the white papers.

> Other NASA officials have noted tweaks to earlier plans for later phases of Artemis, such as a shift from a single “base camp” at the lunar south pole to several sites that could be visited on later Artemis missions.

>

Jim Free, NASA associate administrator for exploration systems development, said at an April 17 briefing that, because of changing lighting conditions at the south pole, missing a launch window for a particular site might delay a mission there by months. “We could maybe have two or three sites to go to that help our science diversity,” he said.

Is this about multiple permanent bases or just multiple landing locations?

>>15367945
No
My point is that I don't care who designed the rocket, or who took the picture. I only care about the rocket or the picture.

>>15367732
Starship is about leaving the planet. Not saving it.

>>15367870
the disgusting politicians and bureaucrats that decide on such things would launch several Mars flyby missions first before even considering spending 50 years and $100 billion on on outdated technology to put the first pedophile and black quadriplegic on Mars for about 10 minutes of taking selfies

>>15367744
>I believe we need European launch site in continental Europe, first and foremost.
So SSTO horizontal takeoff spaceplanes?

>>15367884
I like astronomy in general, I hate astronauts that think their astronomy is more important than progress in spaceflight (a la whining about starlink for instance)
not only is it annoying because obviously we need to progress in space tech, but also because they are so short sighted
this will have positive effects in astronomy as well through space telescopes, but these fucking idiots whine about some lines on their pictures
who gives a single shit
I would demolish every telescope on earth if I had to keep Starship and related technologies progressing

>>15367971
Multiple landing locations. Artemis is turning into "Apollo 2" because nobody wants to spend the money on permanent infrastructure.

>>15367920
GEO satellite TV
seems kind of outdated at this point but I guess they still have a market
sounds like something Starlink would eat up easily though

> DISH TV Adding to Fleet with New Maxar Satellite Order
>April 18, 2023
>WESTMINSTER, Colo.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Maxar Technologies (NYSE: MAXR) (TSX: MAXR), provider of comprehensive space solutions and secure, precise, geospatial intelligence, received an order for a direct broadcast satellite from DISH, designated ES XXV. This geostationary (GEO) communications satellite will be operated by DISH and deliver content across North America.
>ES XXV will be built on the proven Maxar 1300TM series platform at the company’s manufacturing facilities in Palo Alto and San Jose, California. ES XXV will be equipped with a high-power, multi-spot beam payload, allowing DISH to provide high-quality content to its customers. A high-resolution render of the spacecraft is available here.
>“The GEO market remains important, and Maxar’s experience delivering value for our customers continues to be a key focus,” said Chris Johnson, Maxar’s Senior Vice President and General Manager of Space. “We offer scalable platforms to support a variety of missions, and we’re proud to continue that legacy with this new order.”
>ES XXV joins a fleet of Maxar spacecraft in orbit. Since 1999, Maxar has manufactured 11 satellites for DISH TV’s fleet, including several of the largest commercial satellites ever built.

>>15367954
I don't think they are attending, haven't seen their name anywhere when I skimmed through the program yesterday

>tfw actually going to Huelva to see the Miura 1 launch
It's going to be underwhelming af

>>15367982
SSTO no, stage and a half maybe

>>15367950
how long does one of those slingshots last? All the videos show the probes just whizzing past the planet but presumably it takes a couple of hours, right
It's a shame crewed missions need to take as little time as possible, being on board something doing a gravity assist must be so cool.

>>15368000
>stage and a half
that's a TSTO anon

>>15367996
they dont even need to attend, everyone knows who they are and wants to ride with them theres no need for 'networking' if you are literally the entire future of spacelaunch

https://twitter.com/RDhaniswara/status/1648367417159221248 Why does this guy draw his rocket girls with Down syndrome

>>15367620
>paired capacitor plate design
The fucking Mach Effect drive that Woodward guy is doing?

>>15368000
Does Europe even have domestic in-air refueling capability or do they rely on the USAF for that?

>>15368009
>not posting the image
kys im not going to your twitter page

https://twitter.com/spacegovuk/status/1648291056364953601

lol the bongs are there too

>>15367653
>reflection of the tower on Starship
Kino

Stainless steel is kino

>>15368013
https://twitter.com/hack_a_sat/status/1648406690373550082

and the poles

>>15367983
But then, why do retards hate probes so much here?
They post a picture of an engineering camera for the sake of claiming that a mission is bad.

Full and rapid reu-ACK!

How do I scam retards out of money to fund my space company? Elon makes it look easy but I don't have any friends or family with money.

Plot-Twist, I'm going to actually use the money to go to space like I said I would.

>>15368022
I don't hate probes, I hate Europeans

>>15368010
It's similar, but the model behind QI seems to produce much better thruster designs than the Mach Effect hypothesis.

>>15368022
Like, I can't fucking understand the autists here.
People went crazy over a Neuralink stream that has fucking nothing to do with spaceflight, and when people try to talk about an actual probe they get shitted on.

>>15368024
Theyre going to make oxygen and nitrogen on site. That’s a HUGE portion of the “problem” solved right there

>>15368022
it was a fucking joke you sperg
also the problem is the general lack of ambition, not the probes themselves

>>15368032
>Theyre going to make oxygen and nitrogen on site
Source????

>>15368011
There's the A330 MRTT yeah, the A310 MRTT; and a bunch of C-135 and KC-767

>>15368004
I think a stage should supply velocity to qualify as a stage, so no. Imagine if we could teleport simple substances like rocket fuel and oxidizer to a launch vehicle on its ascent - would we call the transmitter on the ground a stage?

>>15368039
Just google it this is common knowledge

>>15368036
How could the probe developers have any ambition if there is no way to could actually realize their ambitions? SLS will not be used for probes and Starship will take some years before it can be used for this purpose. I'm almost sure JUICE started being developed before BFR was a thing. It's not the probe's fault it has to work around limitations that are beyond what the developers are currently capable of.

>>15368028
Well, I hope it works, ChatGPT moment for spaceflight right there

>the stack vented methane with a GHG impact equivalent to 33 transatlantic flights.

Elon sisters...
Musk men...

Retards here saw the first Io pics by JUNO and said "why is it so bad???? juno is shit" while those were distant flybys and they are going to get much better latter in the year.
The theme here is always retards being completely ignorant of something they complain of.

i love venu- AAAAAAACCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/acr22-wp-mars-transportation.pdf

vertical lander option (all-chem) , hmm...

https://twitter.com/Maxar/status/1648093238417317895

I'm disappointed there isn't a HUGE USA/American flag on the side of Starship.

>>15368051
elon...your response??

>>15368062
They want to wait for the ones that probably won't blow up to do that.

>>15368056
>goodfellas_popsci_brainmush.png

https://twitter.com/Maxar/status/1647956618666201088

I thought Maxar was just about earth imaging satellites, I guess they are becoming a more general satellite bus company
starting to be a few players in this arena

>>15368064
lol

>>15368065
this is one of the moon to mars architecture whitepapers

>>15368066
All I know about them is they have a big contract with [redacted] to spy on [redacted]

>>15368066
gotta diversify somehow

>>15368069
replied to wrong person

>>15367945
Yes.

>>15368055
>I love this mars biodome so mu-
>cracking noises
>AAAAACCCCCKKKK

>>15368056
They're labeling it as cargo only because Starship+Sabatier needs to prove ISRU on Mars to be capable of crew-return.

Ok guys, my 'orbital factory' idea was shot down pretty rudely in another thread. Can someone tell me why this is a bad idea?

https://qz.com/2163811/us-plans-tech-to-refuel-satellites-and-build-factories-in-space

girls go to venus to get some penis
boys go to mars to chase fat arse

>>15368105
chads go to jupiter to work out in the high gravity

https://youtu.be/qzKGN5ccvsI
wow, Anthony Colangelo is this like the Geoff Keighley of the space industry

How do you solve fuel problem, needing 40 trucks for each attempt doesn't look sustainable.

>>15368116
it is sustainable if it launches once per month

>>15368109
I thought they went there to get stupider?

>>15367973
Disgraceful answer

>>15368109
cucks go to uranus to get your anus

>>15368101
Orbital factories only make sense for delivering to orbital destinations. Benoz is unironically right in that you need huge spinhabs full of people already in orbit to justify building a full industrial base in space.

>>15368006
so space symposium is for the desperate and the losers

>>15368009
LOL

>>15368137
For now, wail until anons here realize that needing +50 trucks of propellant every time they need to load up the rocket is not sustainable in any way.

>>15368009
Because he's Indonesian and they all have Downs IRL.

>>15368056
they cant even show a picture of her anymore

>>15368110
I hate bureaucrats

Starlink mission in 16h
SpaceX can't keep getting away with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpoMcjTvylk

>>15368012

NSF starship update soon, might have some new info (probably not) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG181ptQQxY

>>15368144
just build a pipeline or two

>>15367377
>1g
anybody who wants to provide Mars colonists with anything more than .38g while in transit is an idiot, is trying to make things harder from an engineering standpoint, wants them to suffer from gradient and/or motion sickness side effects more severely, doesn't want the colonists to be pre-adapted to Mars gravity when they arrive, and THEY'RE NO FRIEND OF MINE

>>15368172
How much do I need to donate to get some sick updates??

>>15367965
18 page executive summary (too big to embed as a file)

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/acr22-wp-mars-transportation.pdf

>>15368126
cult of personality is for low animals

>>15368174
And messing with the habitat of the piping plover? Yeah, good luck convincing the FAA.

>>15368144
I'm just a happy camper! Rockin' and a rollin'!

>>15368186
Wrong.

>>15368051
>POV you're an eleven year old girl

>>15368189
KILL THEM ALL

>>15367609
Avio teased some starship looking upper stage vehicle from an earnings report a while ago

>>15368182

>>15368193
He's right. Elon is based, his fans are cringe.

>>15368206
Missing "banging hot alien babes"

>>15368207

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/acr22-wp-why_nrho-the-artemis-orbit.pdf

>>15368210
How long until I get a spinhab gf, spacechads?

>>15368206
>economy at the center
Based

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/acr22-wp-why-lunar-south-polar-region.pdf

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/acr22-wp-gateway-the-cislunar-springboard.pdf

>>15368229
being a spinhab fan makes you a chud not a chad

>>15368235
i want to see the chinese put up a gateway of their own

How long will Yenisei development take, if it happens?

>>15368243
but even chuds get a gf on the spinhab, it'll be in the rules

>>15368235
they really avoid showing HLS together with anything else lmao

>>15368251
>roscosmos
ngmi

>>15368253
(me on the left)

>>15368254
It embarrasses them to no end.

ITS OOOOVVVVVEEEERRRRR

>>15368253
>even
only

>>15368266
TWO WEEKS

>>15368266
ITS OVER!!!!!!!!!!

>>15368266
the fuck man

>>15368266
NOOOOO I WAS GOING TO SMOKE A DANK FATTY ON 420 AND WATCH THE LAUNCH DUDE

>>15368266
Hell yeah, now I can go!

>>15368156
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1648402404961062912

so its second generation starlinks again (Starlink v2 Minis)

>>15368266
TWO
WEEKS

>>15368285
>mfw

>>15368266
What did Hitler ever do to deserve taking away his birthday present like this?

https://youtu.be/OsS6VDEZoPY
wow loro garve

Fixed it

>>15368290
He was too good for our world.

>>15368293
talking about starship and refilling it right now

>>15368293
talking about what will happen between artemis 3 and 4, the big gap means starship will develop and be used a lot outside of the governments control

>>15368302
INDUSTRY PUSHING POLICY

LETS GOO

>>15368295
>small tiny plot of land where any testing means evacuating the whole area and a failure of 5000 tons of fuel will destroy everything

ok lol

Why didn't these idiots build in a state with SPACE and then barge to florida

>>15368148
They’re getting closer

>>15368307
what the FUCK

>>15368302
It's a contract ride, right? Once it's delivered the astronauts back to the cuckshed orbit, SpaceX should be free to do whatever they want with it? If they had enough dV left to drop it back on the moon surface, maybe they could charge NASA to keep using it?

nasa doing a commercial mars architecture when? 10 years?

Do you want French AJ-260?

>>15368296

What are the Falcon 9 clones being currently developed?

>>15368314
>nasa doing a commercial mars architecture when? 100 years?
ftfy

>>15367751
What's that one sci fi book where a bunch of Crusaders discover a rocket ship that landed on Earth, precede to kill the AYY's, and then reverse engineer it to build spacecraft of their own; preceding to then launch a holy crusade across the fucking galaxy (and winning)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG181ptQQxY

update now, full of annoying soibois though

>>15368324
The High Crusade by Poul Anderson

Wouldn't it be physiologically impossible for humans to live long term on other planets that don't support a gravity that is at least close to being 1g?

>>15368324
Poul Anderson, The High Crusade

>>15368333
what a ridiculous thing to say

>>15368341
>t. disgusting untermensch Belter

>>15368333
they would turn into sludge gradually

>>15368266
I assure you Musk is fuming right now, screaming at his employees, headbutting the table, and firing everyone left and right, all because they can't launch on le funny 4/20.

>>15368350
Talk of the town is that Musk is actually losing interest in Starship

>>15368306
Total wetlands death

>>15368343
Belters will be spinchads unlike that dopey tv show portrayed

Why do retards think we are going to the moon before mars because we intend to LAUNCH from the moon because it has lower gravity? HUH??? DO YOU THINK A ROCKET WILL JUST MAGICALLY APPEAR ON THE LUNAR SURFACE? DO YOU KNOW THAT IT TAKES MORE DELTA V TO REACH THE MOON THAN MARS???

>>15368356
I believe you
It's too small for mars

>>15368350
dilate tranny

>>15368350
it's really over for him this time, isn't it? I wonder if Felon Husk and Drumph will share a cell together, would serve them both right if they did

>>15368362
Nobody thinks this

>>15368356
no wonder he couldn't answer any questions about whats next after OFT during the twitter spaces, he's not even thinking about that at all

twitter is his biggest mistake imo

>>15368356
musk lost interest in everything. now he wants to do AI. dumbass chasing fads

How realistic is the Arwing /sfg/?

>>15368344
like you can't do that here on earfff

>>15368368
they just said it at space symp. i thought these people were smart

>>15368374
The Arwing design is basically driven by low poly hardware capacity on the special SNES cartridges and on the N64. It's not realistic at all.

>>15368333
No, probably not. As long as there was some level of non-negligible gravity children would develop "fine." "Fine" being okay for that planet's gravity and below. Any space-fairing human civilization that were to exist long term and not only on very Earth-like planets would require either spin-grav stations as the backbone of the civilization or very advanced genetic engineering that could make humans develop correctly regardless of the level of gravity. Barring that, the civilization would effectively degrade into a caste system ordered by the level of gravity you were born and raised in, with people from higher gravity being higher on the pyramid and people from lower gravity being lower on the pyramid.

>>15368369
newfag. he's always been like this. https://youtu.be/9Zlnbs-NBUI?t=193

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1648435471633231875

> April 20 is definitely out for the Starship flight test, per two sources. No confirmation on whether it slips just a day or further. For more details I will reefer you to SpaceX’s social channels.

>>15368384
Oil rigs is one thing, the questions were about the next step after this OFT, and he couldn't even answer that

>>15368389
Yes. It's the same thing. He has an extreme aversion to not focusing on the immediately important.

>>15368383
WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF ALL THE DEFORMED CHILDREN THAT LIVE IN MY HEAD!?!?

>>15368383
High g space dwarfs ruling over spindly 0g space elves, based

Hey look, our guests from Hellas basin have arrived!

The amount of words written about low-g environment's effect on humans on here is insane.
Every single one of them is provably not worth reading given there exists no evidence.

>>15368387
it's over for felon

>>15368394
it'll be just like Lord of the Rings BUT IN SPACE!

4/20 TFR has been withdrawn.

2 weeks until the launch.

>>15368371
holy tranny seethe

>phallic
>boys and their toys
lol Lori

>>15368403

>>15368387
Se terminó.
C'est fini.
Es ist vorbei.

STARSHIP TALK

t-two more weeks guys cmon i believe

>>15368416
piss off piggy

If you had a time machine, time paradoxes aside, when and where would you travel back so that the state of spaceflight today could be the best? I'm tempted to answer when N1 started development, so that I can personally hand Korolev the failure reports for all the N1 launch attempts we had. Or maybe to 2002 and give Elon a flash drive with the entire documented history of SpaceX so that he doesn't commit the same mistakes and hyper-accelerates the Mars mission.

Two weeks is back on the menu boys

>>15368420
post it on reddit instead

real news tho...

>Axiom Space has introduced a new program to allow countries to create human spaceflight programs without needing to develop their own infrastructure or other capabilities.
>The Axiom Space Access Program, announced April 17, offers countries a tiered approach to conducting research on the International Space Station or Axiom’s future commercial space station, as well as flying their own astronauts.
>In the base tier, Axiom provides countries with advice and insight, and gives those countries priority access on upcoming missions. The second tier enables research and development activities by counties. The third tier offers human spaceflight missions on a regular basis. A fourth tier offers countries the ability to co-develop parts of Axiom’s station.
https://spacenews.com/axiom-announces-new-government-human-spaceflight-program/

also sad that two of their first goverment customers, azerbaijan and uzbekistan, are brutal dictatorships

>>15368400
Putting lowered strain on muscles and bone will make them weaker. This can be compensated for in adults by exercise. Babies cannot exercise. They will develop differently with weaker muscles and bones. The cause of that lessened strain being lowered gravity does not magically make the problem disappear. There is evidence for this.

>>15368427
>azerbaijan and uzbekistan
>Saudi Arabia

I really am not a fan of this shit desu, gives Axiom a bad image

https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1648438126166302720

> Next opportunities would be April 21, 23, and 25, per updated Temporary Flight Restrictions.

>>15368430
>Babies cannot exercise
nor do they here on Earth, nor do they need to to develop into children, who do get exercise and do play and do climb and do lift things and do ride bikes and do swim who then develop into adults who do exercise and do loft weights and do...

>they aren't able to fix it until Thursday

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCK
MY BALLS
SO
BLUE

>>15368417
It never left, all else was just an illusion.
Two weeks bros, rejoice

>>15368446
I think the problem is high wind shear, might block friday too and we need to wait for next week

>>15368266
This is a world where nothing is solved. Someone once told me, time is a flat circle. Everything we've ever done or will do, we're gonna do over and over and over again. Every two weeks.

>>15368406
holy fanboy guzzle cum

>>15368464
>guzzle cum
typical tranny projection

>>15368437
they will never develop into children if they get fucked up as a fetus

>>15367723
God I hope so, African cyberpunk is peak

>>15368356
And that's a good thing, for SpaceX

>>15368453
Why don't they ever launch rockets in a silo like ICBMs. I've never understood this

>>15368437
And? They'll develop to the gravity of the world they're on. They won't be able to go to higher gravity worlds for any serious length of time.

>>15368480
>french guiana
>africa

>>15368483
The wind is in the sky you abolute retard

>>15368430
Ok but a counter point to that, powered exosuits will also be more practical in lower gravity

>>15368483
Because the problem is wind, not trying to protect your rocket from a random slav attack?

>>15368485
If its filled with bantus, it is africa, regardless of geography

>>15367930
doesn't look stock to me

>>15368487
How is that a counterpoint?

haven't visited sfg for a long time can anyone tell me if anything interesting happened with the JWST? last i heard from it they got it into position.

>>15368255
Just because they’re Roscosmos doesn’t mean they can’t at least try

>>15368495
It smashed into the Moon. Coincidentally hit the haley’s comet crater

>>15368493
They won't need to be stronger biologically cause they will all be in exosuits

>>15368495
No the science is settled and also proprietary.

Weather report :

-Friday 21/04 : Very cloudy , 151km/h at 11.5km (very high winds)
-Sunday 23/04 : Partially covered , drops of rain , 181km/h at 11.5km (very VERY high winds)
-Monday 24/04 : Cloudy and rainy , winds of 145km/h
-Tuesday 25/04 : Pretty clear skies , no rain , Winds at 161km/h
-Wed 26/04 : Partially clouded , no rain , Winds of 150km/h


Looks pretty grim

>>15368502
weather says 30km/h winds how are you getting 150

>>15368502
Saturday?

https://twitter.com/SierraSpaceCo/status/1648325625617305601

So much shit hghhapening

>>15368503
reading comprehension fail

>>15368503
Pic
>>15368505
No TFR for that day

>>15368207
>all cretans are cringe

>>15368507
>https://twitter.com/BSPenetrator/status/1648371707604877334
Alright, which one of you guys is this

>>15368507
>inflatables
couldn't care less lol

>>15368499
Exoskeletons don't solve the puny heart trying to pump blood uphill in far higher gravity problem

>>15368520
Sure it can, like a flight suit does for fighter pilots

Im so sad . No F1 til 28th and no starship til at least next week . Grim

>>15368191
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl2AM3j3dIw

>>15368527
They squeeze temporarily while undergoing high g maneuvers not for days on end