/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15361986
It's not a matter of understanding language. Their cognition is just too different to effectively communicate in this way.

do they teach their children sign language when returned to their pack?

>>15361986
I heard that the gorilla said "finger bracelet" to form the word "ring". Also told the story of when her mother was killed and she was taken by people, obviously before she was taught anything as she was in the wild.

I found that pretty telling.

>>15361986
There's obviously a certain element of translators filling in gaps with their presumptions that happens in any translation. But even dogs and birds can learn to recognize and actually associate with a handful of words, it's not a huge leap that our closest ancestors would be capable of a rudimentary understanding of nouns, verbs, and prepositions.

>>15364735
From what I remember yes, teaching the baby "food" first. "Back in the wild"? Do you bring university lectures to you to the jungle tribes?

>Their cognition is just too different to effectively communicate in this way.
Do you have dedicated reseach in Developmental Cognition?

>>15361986
a lot of the literature on it was literally faked by researchers who grew too attached to their apes and started seeing understanding where there was none.

>>15362012
oops
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>>15361986

>>15364800
>Reject modernity, accept eucharist.

>>15361986
waiting for CHMP-4

>>15361986
Wasn't Koko a scam

>>15362012
>Their cognition is just too different to effectively communicate in this way.
Baseless sci-fi bullshit, putting humans on a pedestal for no reason

>>15361986
It definitely understands, but you don't really want it to, that thing wants to fuck that girl just as much as the next human

>>15365576
'different' = pedestal?

>>15365579
What evidence do you have that their cognitive experience is qualitatively different

>>15365688
well, they don't post on 4chan for one... unless
no.. it couldn't be? don't tell me

>>15365688
in all seriousness, the evidence is that we are communicating our cognitive experience right now. try talking to a chimp. i'm sure you'll find it's nothing like talking to a person, hopefully that is.

>>15365742
>try talking to a chimp
They, like all animals, speak violence...so speak back!

Square up.

>>15365752
no, violence is our language

>>15365821
>our
You's was a squirrel when pappy was tooth'n and claw'n.

>>15365830
Damnit!

>>15361986
I dont understand why nigga kids hate on koko the gorilla
She was literally smarter than half of gen z.

>>15361986
every animals has language that is fundamentally the same as human language. there's no built-in calls or anything. same complexity in that regard because language itself is shallow. but the animal itself is not the same as us so communication is hard. and we are unable to work out what they're saying except when it relates to clear changes in behaviour like communications relating to predators. communication requires shared understanding as well as empathy. shared understanding not as in a language, though that is obviously a barrier, but the whole background and cognition that language mediates.

>>15366744
i would also say that in the past when humans were more diverse in culture/tradition it would be a lot harder to properly understand eachother. because you would defer to your own culture/tradition but at that time it may be significantly different or misleadingly similar. so the speed at which you can properly inoculate into a background with its language would be more drawn out and may be impossible without fully giving yourself over to it. unlike today where we share more than we don't share. we have a strong shared basis in english/broadly northwestern european modern culture, even if people still have their own languages and societies, these are greatly changed or based upon it.

>>15364800
>smartphones are literal ape-tech

>>15364782
>closest ancestors
Cousins. Separated from us almost 7 million years ago. The primate language experiments were total bullshit. We're literally 7 million years deep on our own unique tree of evolution.

>>15365688
Uh, the fact that humans have been using tools, communicating, and developing technology in ways that are not even remotely observed in any other species even under immense pressure for well over a million years?

>>15365688
Have you ever tried talking to a nigger? It would be like that, only more so.

>>15365742
>the evidence is that we are communicating our cognitive experience right now
And somewhere else chimps are communicating their cognitive experience right now.

>>15365688
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktkjUjcZid0

>>15366907
You look at a chimp and think "That poor, dumb, animal."

I look at humans and think the same thing...but the fact we communicate in English this tricks your kind into thinking we're the same.

If hyperdimensional aliens arrived and spoke English people like you would soon see themselves as "just as smart" as them even though youre functionally retarded in conparison.