/sci/ - Science & Math

WE ARE GOING

>>15352535
Let’s make this the most posted in /Sfg/ thread

PDF OF THE LAUNCH LICENSE

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ast/licenses_permits/media/VOL%2023-129%20SpaceX%20Starship-Super%20Heavy%20License%20and%20Orders1.pdf

MISSION PATCH

https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/status/1646998915546316801

BROS

i'm cummingi'm cummingi'm cummingi'm cummingi'm cummingi'm cummingi'm cumming

For here am I sitting in a tin can

PATCH

>>15352557
Beautiful

>>15352557
kinda mid but the 'STARSHIP' font goes so fucking hard

>b. “Flight” shall commence with the ignition of the first stage with the intention of liftoff of a Space Exploration Technologies, Corp. Starship-Super Heavy vehicle from SpaceX Boca Chica Launch Complex, Boca Chica, Texas. A flight ends upon Space Exploration Technologies, Corp. vehicle or vehicle component impact or landing on Earth, after activities necessary to return the vehicle or vehicle component to a safe condition on the ground after impact or landing, or after activities necessary to return the site to a safe condition, whichever occurs latest.


so it does cover landing. that's good, for the subsequent flights. no new loicense needed

>>15352549
Muskbros we got too cocky.

>>15352551
>>15352557
thanks for posting the PDF and patch

>>15352557
>4 leaf clover
We won!!!

>>15352565
We can't be cocky enough

Reminder bros that this is just the beginning of a much longer journey.
IFT may explode at max q less than a minute into flight. But future starships will make it to mars and beyond.

>>15352557
looks like the jwst patch

finally a use for my tripple monitor setup that i built last year

TODAY IS THE GREATEST
DAY IVE EVER KNOWN
CANT LIVE FOR TOMORROW
TOMORROW’S MUCH TOO LONG

>>15352570
Injunctions incoming during the weekend. Should have waited.

THE /SCI/, AND THEREFORE /SFG/, DECLINE IS OFFICIALLY OVER
I WANT TO SEE THE NUMBERS MOONING

>tfw you were around for every single one of these spikes on this terrible board/general

What About It seething

WE ARE HERE TO GO

>>15352578
>we're 3 seconds from launch
holy shit bros get in here

AAAAAHHHHH I HAD A LAWSUIT READY TO FILE AGAINST SX BUT NOW THE COURTS ARE ALL CLOSED

>>15352582
>Felix Schlong

>>15352403
Compare to this /sfg/ anon. Doesn't even compare.

>>15352570
SO MUCH THIS! Monday will be a perfect launch, I’m convinced now. Two weeks sisters absolutely BTFO, we are SOOOO BACK!

>>15352582
GOOD FUCK THIS EUROTROON FAG

Will the flight test after this one have to go through the same lengthy licensing process? Or are we back to rapid testing?

>>15352582
That's guys a fag anyway fuck him.

>iv. For the first flight only, unless this license is modified to remove this term.
>iv. For the first flight only, unless this license is modified to remove this term.
>iv. For the first flight only, unless this license is modified to remove this term.
>iv. For the first flight only, unless this license is modified to remove this term.

SPACEX KEKED

LICENSE GRANTED FOR FIRST FLIGHT ONLY

Government forecast for Starbase on Monday:

>Sunny, with a high near 76. East wind 8 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 22 mph.

>>15352582
I have always despised this creature. He deserves it.

>>15352576
kek

>>15352594
TWO WEEKS FAGS ABSOLUTELY DESPERATE FOR ANYTHING TO CLING ONTO KEK!!
THIS IS WHAT THEY CLING TO WHEN THEY JUST GOT THIS LICENSE ONLY 3 DAYS BEFORE LAUNCH AHAHAH

It's time to dance the dance of my people

Press S to spit on envirofags and oldspace trying to stop progress

>>15352582
What an absolute fucking buzzkill god I hate selfish niggers like him

>>15352601
How about you read the fine print instead of coping and seething you know

>Apr 15 F9/Transporter 7
>Apr 15 CRS-27 undock ISS
>Apr 16 FY-3 weather sat from Jiuquan
>Apr 17 Starship marginally-orbital flight attempt
>Apr 18 FalcHeavy with VIasat-3
>Apr 19 F9/Starlink G6-2
>Apr 19 Spacewalk VKD-56
>Apr ISS cubesat deploys

>>15352535
They really did wait until the courts were closed for the weekend and will launch before they open on Monday, get fucked Sierra Club!

>>15352604
S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S.

Let’s not get too excited yet. We still have to see it fly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5QXreqOrTA
Wasn't it at noon? Why is at 7am now

>>15352604
SS SS SS SS SS SS SS SS

We need the image limit raised, we cannot be contained

I made a Starship thread on the fucking science and math board and it gets less activity than the one about race and IQ wtf lmao

Monday is a PERFECT day for the launch . This is it . Monday is D-day , its the beginning of an INTERPLANETARY journey .

We will remember this moment like the first land on a droneship for a Falcon 9 or the Apollo 4

>>15352611
lmao

>>15352613
noon was just advisory before any closures of any kind was made

>>15352607
DESPERATE
>DESPERATE
DESPERATE
>DESPERATE
DESPERATE
>DESPERATE

WE DID IT! ENVIRONMENTALISTS BTFO

TOTAL BEETLE DEATH
BUG WAR NOW

The biggest, most powerful rocket ever made.

>>15352618
Allah has blessed us with good weather for launch day

WE

FUCKING

GAAAAAAAN

/space/ board when?

You know you didn’t lose your self control
Let’s start at the rainbow

DONT FORGET A FUCKING QI DRIVE TEST SAT IS LAUNCHING IN 8 HOURS AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH WE ARE ACCELERATING

>>15352638
kys

apologize

>>15352642
Wait.

What? MORE INFO NOW

>>15352568
elon is thanking us for our patience and devotion

>>15352638
no. do you know how much attention a space board would get, anon? we'd be endlessly flooded by flat earthers and space-is-fakers.

>>15352642
>>15352645
Wait fuck fuck fuck it’s launching on Transporter 8 in ~June. It’s not launching on transporter 7 (about to launch)
Still close to flying though

Do you think we'll finally be to spend more resources towards spaceflight once ziggers and chiggers are taken down a notch?

>>15352651
AAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaa

>>15352653
Nooooooo fuck no. If it isn’t slavs and chinks it will be someone else. The MIC ALWAYS has an enemy

>>15352653
Sadly no. Ziggers and Xiggers causing problems is one of the few reasons the US government supports spaceflight

>>15352653
(((you)))

Who is the undisputed queen of /sfg/????? Is it shotwell? Anna Fisher?

>>15352660
Simp be gone

>>15352660
Shotwell. Obviously.
>inb4 clear(ly a man)

>>15352660
cringe

>>15352642
>>15352645
>>15352651
>>15352655
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=56358.msg2466800#msg2466800
>IVO Ltd., the pioneer of capacitive based technologies, today announced its pure electric thruster for satellites, the IVO Quantum Drive, will be aboard SpaceX Transporter 8. Hosted by IVO’s partner, Rogue Space Systems, the Quantum Drive-powered satellite will begin its journey to low earth orbit on June 10th, 2023. After demonstration and baselining of the IVO Quantum Drive’s performance specifications, IVO Ltd will provide propulsion for Rogue Orbots supporting Rogue’s high-mobility satellite servicing business model.
wtf

Are you prepared to see thermal images from the WB57 of a FULL INTACT Starship ?

With MANY tiles missing , with thermal meltdown of one of his "wings" , but still falling perfectly horizontal and in control .

The “N1 Approach” is unorthodox but works 100%. If B7/S24 fucking explode, it’ll be shocking, but know that SpaceX will move heaven and earth to get starship working soon.

>>15352607
Every launch requires a unique license, cope seethe and dilate.

I’m a retard, does a nuclear propulsion exhaust emit radiation? Or would a NTP system need to be sent into orbit by a liquid rocket and then activated in orbit?

>>15352676
It doesn't matter right now.

>>15352678
The latter

>>15352669
https://www.universetoday.com/160516/the-first-all-electrical-thruster-the-ivo-quantum-drive-is-headed-to-space/
> According to IVO, a single Quantum Drive can achieve up to 52 millinewtons (mN) of thrust from a single watt of electricity
lol

I’m a little worried about the starship engine ignition sequence after MECO and sep. How will they settle the tanks when it’s in zero g?

>>15352678
yes, NTP will never be used in atmosphere, the DRACO demonstration will not ignite the engine until it is at some 800km in altitude

>>15352557
>>15352568
Godspeed

>>15352660
the edited photo of Elon as a girl

>>15352672
Well stainless steel itself can survive reentry. It actually doesn't need the tiles

>>15352687
Good question , i really dont know . Booster has tank presurization with some nozzles pointing down but for Ship no idea

It’s funny how the past 3-4 months have just been sign after sign that the launch was coming. And then a month ago it really kicked into high gear.

>>15352687
guess it's done by the rotation at stage sep

>>15352678
NTP doesn't give off radioactive exhaust

A second rainbow has graced SpaceX

>>15352687
I'm probably retarded, but isn't that the purpose of header tanks?

>>15352687
>>15352695
they can just use RCS for ullage, and I think the vents for the boiloff are angled downwards to provide it passively

>>15352660

>>15352699

>>15352697
meds

T-14 seconds will be when the inevitable scrub is announced.

It will take at least 3 days for spacex to wrangle enough truckloads of cryogenic fluids to try again.

Um excuse me, baseball E2E rockets when? (fuck decibel regulations)

>>15352687
>>15352695
>>15352700
>>15352702
If i remember correctly , Ship has autogenous pressurization. That pressure could keep the liquid at the bottom just like Falcon 9

What is the launch window? I need to time everything well monday so that I can get to college after the launch.

>>15352697
Wrong

>>15352716
The 150-minute test window will open at 7:00 a.m. CT.

>>15352711
pressurization has nothing to do with ullage, it doesn't matter how well the tank is pressurized if there's no acceleration pushing the liquid in a particular direction

>>15352709
Boeingbros…

>>15352711
>That pressure could keep the liquid at the bottom just like Falcon 9
Reminder that this is the physics understanding of the average poster here.
Pressure in the tank keeps the liquid at the bottom in zero g

>>15352706
this. i listened to Elon and my flight is on Wednesday

>>15352727
OOOOF

USA
USA
USA

>>15352724
isn't this the same thing flat earthers say to explain away gravity? like things stay down because pressure is pushing them lol

>>15352687
Just like any other rocket.
Combination of RCS thrusters and spin up gas exiting through the nozzle providing milli g acceleration.

>>15352706
all of us should fart in the tanks to fill them up

FTS installation underway

>>15352732
Well they're not wrong. Pressure pushes thing down, but at the same time, resistance pushes back, then gravity pulls down, regardless.

Booster FTS too !

I for one am waiting on the ESGhound substack writeup about FAA negligence he announced. https://blog.esghound.com/

“It’s Over” Status?

fuck fuck what if it blows up on the pad.... possibly a year of delays... i couldnt take that

>>15352740
>Pressure pushes thing down
It really doesn't

>>15352684
That's about a third of the best single-run efficiencies seen in McCulloch's lab tests so it's at least consistent from a QI perspective.

shiiit I guess I'm getting up at 4am on monday

they're still trucking away at the old plans...
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20230002033

>>15352744
absolutely over

>>15352745
just pray it doest happen. I have hope in SpaceX

>>15352744

WE FUCKING MADE IITT!!!

>>15352744
If you use the term "ITS OVER", then you're an violent extremist incel according to FBI disinformation experts.

>>15352740
Pressure pushes equally from all directions, that's kind of the defining thing about it.
Well, there is a gradient of pressure that means things get pushed slightly harder upwards, but not only is that the opposite direction flat earthers want it to be, it's also caused by gravity in the first place.

https://twitter.com/verge/status/1647004955193102337
>Elon Musk founds new AI company called http://X.AI
Another distratction

>>15352756
This tweet lives rent free in my head lol

>>15352764
lmao

new mars transit vehicle design, which somehow looks worse than the last

>>15352768
This will never, ever be constructed

>>15352768
VASIMR lmao

I am confident the QI thruster will work because the arc of the universe bends towards Astra insolvency and ion thrusters are their only current source of revenue. Also it will make a lot of YOU JUST CAN'T OK sõyjaks commit neckrope.

Injunction status?

>>15352772
That's not VASIMR, that's banks of Hall Effect thrusters with nuclear-electric. The nub on the end is the reactor.

>>15352777
Trips confirm McCulloch's Nobel and Astra bankruptcy

>>15352778
BROKEN

>>15352777
Lmao based

Comment on ArsTechnica Licence article : "I am hoping the thing blows up on the pad destroying all of the infrastructure, but this is purely based on my strong dislike of Elon Musk. If we don't get fireworks I can settle for the consolation prize of knowing this gets us one step closer to boots on the moon. The Artemis program is on track and that is awesome."

>>15352769
A tug like this for robotic cargo or exploration missions would be fantastic. Imagine being to deliver a starship to Mars or elsewhere with full-ish prop tanks. You'd be able to land at more locations than just the equator or possibly more mass to locations like the moons of Mars or Jupiter or Saturn.

>>15352768
>manned Mars nuclear electric mission
This is the most retarded thing old space could possibly come up with, there is a zero percent chance this ever gets completed unless they literally bribe NASA officials.

>>15352788
What a small minded queer

>>15352788
Legitimately a traitor to the human race. Firing squad would solve this problem.

>>15352793
ars is a far left side that breeds violent radicals. many of the staff and commenters should be arrested and put on a watch list.

>>15352788
You know, I couldve gone my whole life without reading this. Why would you ruin the mood posting it here? Holy fuck I hate anti-musk trannies, I shouldnt be angry this is the second greatest day this year.

>>15352788
Musk making the trannies seethe is great for humanity. They need to be purged.

>>15352802
Just think you are in the right side of history and you're enjoying the renaissance of space exploration , not like those troons

I legitimately have no idea how this launch will go. On one hand? Falcon heavy and Falcon 9 had almost perfect maiden flights. On the other hand, so much about Starship is unproven and unknown.
I am afraid of how the engines at full power will interact with the launch stand, given that the 31 engine static fire used only 40% throttle.
I’m also a bit scared about Max Q

Two weeks bros...where do we even go from here???

Can we just appreciate that a QI test unit is making it to space before a plasma magnet sail, ELF, HDLT, or VASIMR? This is the silliest possible result of that race.

>>15352807
I'm not afraid of Max Q except for possibly stripping a shitload of tiles.

>>15352788
Y'know I have slightly more respect for people who dislike manned spaceflight entirely rather than the Love NASA/Hate Musk types. I'd painlessly kill them rather than tormenting them for a week like the latter

>>15352810
At least the “hate spaceflight” crowd has an understandable, albeit retarded, belief

>>15352802
>Why would you ruin the mood posting it here?

Interstellar Space Travel will not be possible until 2250. Until then, all space discoveries are pointless.

what a great day to have eyes

>>15352760
memes become reality

>>15352816
Insterstellar travel is literally 100 years away. Its not that far

A good analogue for Starship IFT was the Falcon 9 demo flight.
>Both F9 and Starship have commonalities with an earlier vehicle (F1 and SN8-15)
>Both F9 and Starship reuse the engines of their ancestors but in larger numbers (1>9 and 3>33)

The lack of a full duration hold-down firing of Starship and Superheavy is a bit worrying, but it was impossible to do anyways.

It doesn’t feel real

>>15352732
Density makes things settle.

>>15352821
go back
>>>/reddit/

I have 1 (one) and single worry . The hold-down clamps . If just one of those fckers (and there are 20 of those) doesnt realese at liftoff at the same time, it will tear the base edge of the booster , creating a ....mess

>>15352828
It doesn't.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0qEzdxLls5k
>inb4 buoyancy truther schizo

>>15352791
For fuck sake, play KSP. It cost almost nothing to hit any inclination around Mars and Starship can do direct entry at any landing location just from intercept. There is no point in something that has an order of magnitude worse specific power than solar electric which still isn't well suited for Mars because of the slow acceleration and it's inconceivable this could be ready before SpaceX lands men on Mars.

>>15352831
I still have flashbacks to the one starship which blew up during a static fire

let's clear this up
what is the rocket called?

"Starship-Super Heavy" per the FAA license
but I guess we can call it 'Starship' like how we would say 'a Shuttle is launching' even though it's the whole STS

>>15352835
NASA makes these gay nuclear Mars proposals because the minute they admit Starship exists as a crew option the people working on these designs get reassigned to designing surface power systems or fired.

BTW , for the anon asking how the ship will keep the fuel at the bottom , there is "cowbells" just like the booster

Feelings thread

>>15352846
Thanks. Relativity said the reason Terran 1 failed was a gas bubble in the engine due to bad ullage.

>>15352669
Pushes off the Earth's magnetic field, it's not a schizodrive

>>15352821
The technology to achieve interstellar travel will have dire consequences.

>>15352850

Elon tweet : "Success maybe, excitement guaranteed!"

>>15352808
They'll get back to you on the 28th

>Starship is launching before SLS
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH CALLED IT

>>15352837
Agena-Superheavy
Starship-SIC

>>15352856
Ground testing already ruled that out. It's not electromagnetic in that sense.

>>15352808
two weeks for the next test

Jeff Foust : "The FAA license for the upcoming Starship launch is posted. One interesting note: the maximum probable loss (for third-party claims) is $500 million, which is, I believe, the limit in current regs. Federal indemnification kicks in for damages above that"

>>15352837
SSSH

Its getting late for me (1:54AM) . Good night and remember , WE ARE GOING

>>15352877
eeeit.

>>15352864
are you retarded?

>>15352872
Roughly the same as Starship launch if I remember right.

You think the NRO has spy satellites that are this quality?

>>15352893
No

>>15352604

>>15352660
We all know it's Krystal

>>15352699
Ah... yes, the rainbow of death how exhilarating.

>>15352893
yes-ish, but not from this angle

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1647027339849605122

what is his fucking problem

>>15352611

WE FUCKINH DID IT?????

>>15352906
what a fuckin loser

>>15352906
TWO WEEKS BROS WE ARE SO FUCKING BACK

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1647026023786221568
>Falcon Heavy/ViaSat-3 launch is shown to have slipped to April 24, 23:24 - April 25, 01:18 UTC (April 24, 7:24 - 9:18 pm EDT)
reeeeeee

Chill everyone , hes making the 4\20 joke again .

>>15352837
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Starship, is in fact, Starship-Super Heavy, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Super Heavy plus Starship. Starship is not a Mars settlement vehicle unto itself, but rather another multimillion dollar component of a fully functioning Earther destruction system made useful by the Super Heavy booster, incinerated beetles, and illegal alien welders comprising a full send as defined by Elon.

Many Mars settlers will use a modified version of the Super Heavy system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Super Heavy which is widely used these synods is often called "Starship", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Super Heavy system, developed by the Super Heavy team.

There really is a Starship, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Starship is the rocket: the payload in the system that allocates the Earthers' resources towards ends that will result in their destruction. The rocket is an essential part of an Earther destruction system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of an independent Mars and total beetle extinction. Starship is normally used in combination with the Super Heavy booster: the whole system is basically Super Heavy with Starship added, or Starship-Super Heavy. All the so-called "Starship" bombardments are really bombardments from Starship-Super Heavy.

>>15352918
>adolf's birthday
what did he mean by this?

I have monday off boys LFG!

>>15352903
fake ass image, lighting doesn't match up at all and the AOA is all wrong.

>>15352906
Why does he have to be so fucking autistic? Jesus christ.

>>15352924
SpaceX wouldn't exist without his autism
Rich normies don't care about space unless if it is for the sake of making money

How long is the window? I’m thinking of staying awake all night because prop load begins at 5AM where I live

>>15352934
150 minutes

>>15352934
https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starship-flight-test

>The 150-minute test window will open at 7:00 a.m. CT.

>A live webcast of the flight test will begin ~45 minutes before liftoff. As is the case with all developmental testing, this schedule is dynamic and likely to change, so be sure to stay tuned to our social media channels for updates.

Starship splashdown would be 1:30 after liftoff.

>>15352939
is boca chica central time?
I can sleep in then, phew

>>15352941
Yes. That's 8 AM Eastern, 5 AM Pacific, and I guess 1 PM London time or 9 PM in Tokyo.

>>15352906
i hope not. monday is the only chance that i have of seeing it.

People will debate if this is the first Starship to reach orbit for millennia, given that the target is a 70X860 kilometer orbit with a perigee in the atmosphere but above the surface

>>15352916
L2 said the Falcon Heavy static fire did not go well. Not bad, but just not perfect.

>>15352949
It is incapable of completing a single orbit with those parameters, so it is not an orbit.

>>15352535
FUCK YESSSSS

>>15352951
>L2 said
Buy an ad, faggot

>>15352949
>70X860 kilometer orbit
What did that Jeff Brazos guy achieve with his rocket startup?

>>15352951
>L2 said the Falcon Heavy static fire did not go well. Not bad, but just not perfect.
Yeah and FH is too expensive (and only flies very expensive payloads, nobody pays the major FH premium without using it all) to take any risks with.

>>15352949
>70x860km
Imposible. To high apogee . What ive heard is 220 x -150

>>15352949
Nah it's not orbit, they don't even plan it to be. Minimum goal for this is that it clears the tower by a 1000' or so before exploding, seriously. Everyone knows this is in some ways just a bigger dress rehearsal for full orbit/landing, going through all the motions. What makes Starship truly exciting isn't just the spacecraft itself, not that that's not amazing, but the whole
>"we don't want to be a rocket company we want to be a rocket FACTORY company"
thing, where they can start iterating fast and practically pumping these things out.

>>15352959
>What did that Jeff Brazos guy achieve with his rocket startup?
Geez anon he named it "Below Orbit" and everything what do you want from the poor guy!?

it basically is orbit. the'd have to do like a 2-second burn.

inb4 welcome to the club tweet

>>15352970
It's not though, and Starship is so cool there's no need to inflate it because the one right after will be even better (I think next booster is the first full electric ignition too). This will (hopefully) be the first one to get to space and (hopefully) first SH to do a return and successful sim landing and that'd be plenty enough for first flight. Next one can orbit and land for real and then holy shit we're off to the races.

Glory be to You, O Allah, and all praises are due unto You, and blessed is Your name and high is Your majesty and none is worthy of worship but You. I seek Allah's protection from Satan the accursed. In the name of Allah, the Most Compassionate and the Most Merciful.

Allah I will devote my life to you and Muhammad for giving us this license

>>15352966
>Minimum goal for this is that it clears the tower by a 1000' or so before exploding, seriously
Not taking anything else out with it when if fails spectacularly would be nice. But I really hope they can demonstrate that they can get the booster within single digit feet of where they want it in the gulf, and that they get a chance to test starship at the edge of space and on reentry

>>15352864
based

>>15352728
See > >>15352906

Now the real question is when IFT-2 flies

oh no no muskbros

2nd launch will take 4 months I bet. They'll have to completely re-do the launch mount.

>>15352977
>Not taking anything else out with it when if fails spectacularly would be nice. But I really hope they can demonstrate that they can get the booster within single digit feet of where they want it in the gulf, and that they get a chance to test starship at the edge of space and on reentry
Oh, 100% absolutely. It's just that due to the unavoidable circumstances they have a lot of genuinely extremely expensive infrastructure at this point, so a tower loss or something would actually be very painful. I mean, they've clearly been taking that deadly serious, very systematically checking stuff off, building to full static fires, they'll be doing a whole WDR etc. And it wouldn't sink it, but it might well set it back a solid 4-6 months which would suck. So I'm sure there will be some clenching going on there. After that everyone can effectively enjoy the ride. And hopefully SH itself performs perfectly, that's really the most important thing. SS could be expendable for a while if it had to be, so long as SH works and is reusable then they can start using it for actual cargo (Starlink v2 full size to start) and making money with it, and that also means the moon mission is a go (it was part of the planning, it's POSSIBLE to do it with pure expended SS, each tanker thrown away, though it'd nuke any significant profit margin for SpaceX, but it'd work).

Only 1 more Ariane 5 launch

>>15352987
kek kinda sweet that even he finds his way to express excitement

>>15352990
damn is the Syracuse 4B really the last one?

>>15352979
cope

>>15352832
>harden an egg yolk (same density as water)
>pretend it's a ping pong ball
The water doesn't spill because of centrifugal force. You can do this at home with a bucket and string

>>15352997
>buoyancy truther schizo
kek

>>15352974
jeff has to do his usual cocky remark despite never getting erect enough for orbit

>>15353008
>BO literally older than spacex
>still Below Orbit
absolutely embarrassing

>>15352916
Nice! A Falcon Heavy for my birthday :)

What took so long? This was supposed to be over ages ago. I've lost faith since it seems plagued with issues.

TWO WEEKS (until I graduate)

>>15353021
yeah wasn't SN4 supposed to fly in august 2021

>>15353021
its the FAA holding them back(LOL)

>bomb has been planted

>>15352992
JUICE should have been the last
a random comsat isn't a very good swam song for a rocket

>>15352987
I wish I could see his heart being broken when everything goes as planned

hype status?

Why is there a clover in the patch? It's a bit out of place

SpaceX is such amateur hour with everything they do

>>15353033
Fully torqued

Who rolling with Starship?

>>15353036
SpaceX patches always have clover. For 4chan.

>>15353033
P-ranked

>>15353040
Avelo only starts nonstop service from LA in May
definitely going for the next one though

>>15353046
Oh my. Do we tell him?

when did they remove the lifting points on the nosecone?
-t out of the loop

>$481 round trip
I can't do it bros

Will there be anyone filming the rentries of the upper stage and the booster?

>>15353053
yes Ping Ping Hot Dog Smith and Ivan from Kentucky Oblast

>>15353053
SpaceX will have it instrumented the hell up like always, but if you mean amateurs yeah tons for the booster, upperstage though is going to be harder given the path it's following and that it's coming down over the pacific well away from land.

>>15352906
Idiot

WE
FUCKING
GAAAAAAAAANNNNNN

>>15353048
S24 is almost a year old at this point

>>15352660
picrel
>>15352582
Dude is a fag for coming here. Go back to your shithole country

>>15352692
yup

>>15352706
they will recycle same day NIGGER

>>15353040
I hope his tesla gets blacklisted from charging

>>15352582
False Alarm.

>>15353040
Guy is traveling 2400 km over the next 3 days in his Tesla to get to Starbase.

Whats your excuse, /sci/?

>>15353040
>evcucks be like

>>15353048
when it was at the rocket garden two weeks ago

>>15353053
nasa wanted to but their one plane needs maintenance again and dunno if they can make it for monday

>>15353033
WE GAAAAAN

>>15353075
don't need any
i prefer to watch from my comfy lair

>>15353083
where to tho? whats the mission? just a test flight or is something noteworthy going to be carried out?

>>15353033
Unbearable

>>15353096
>where to tho
off the coast of Hawaii or dying trying

go read though the old SN8 etc launch threads. We're going to be BACK to that shizzle my bros

>>15353103
The memes were so organic back then. Ugh I miss the good old days

>>15353096
>just a test flight
yes

WE GAAN

HOLY SHIT THE NORMIES KNOW HAHAHA
My literature professor just mentioned offhandedly that he heard that that "Mars rocket" was launching soon and I had a fucking field day explaining how cool Starship was and how it's the largest rocket ever, and how we're gonna see it re-enter hopefully, (Hawaii anon here) and how cheap the full re-use and low construction cost will basically mog anything our species has made before.

anyone down for a viewing party / orgy in Denver

>>15353115
>orgy
Kys
>viewing party
The entire thread during launch will be viewing parties

>>15353115
degen

>>15353113
And then everyone clapped

Bruh starship looks like a bullet bill

>>15353113
It's an apollo lead-up level event anon, it's not going to get the wall to wall coverage of the actual moon mission or first manned launch or whatever down the road, but it's still plenty significant.

I can't wait for car sirens to be going off all over the BC area

>>15352920
fucking kek, great work

>Launch license issued
I haven't been more excited since I got my Krystal bodypillow

>>15353115
you host your orgies at 6am?

>>15353032
He will move on to the next cope, when he's old he'll be tweeting about how the martian tunnels are late again and it's a scam

has anyone else been having spaceflight dreams

JOIN https://twitter.com/LCS_Big_Mike/status/1647056992459014146

Protip, if you live in Port Isabel and want new windows, smash them as Starship explodes on Monday and they'll replace them for free.

>>15353149
>one guy

>>15353149
He's on

>>15352864
Boing is fucking seething right now

>>15353153
>NO CONTINUES!??

>>15353152
Protip, if you live in Port Isabel and want new eardrums, smash them as Starship explodes on Monday and they'll replace them for free.

>>15352906
Kek he's just fucking with us

>>15353149
The UIs completely broken for me.

>>15352660

I just want to see an animation accurately depict the 1.5 TWR on liftoff :(

>>15353115
An orgy? During the launch viewing party? Are you stupid? Half the people there will be distracted by the rockets and the other half by cumming. Have a brain and plan the orgy after the Hawaii landing. An edging session during the launch is acceptable though.

>>15352970
new armstrong BTFOs starship soo...

>>15353170
lol I totally forgot about new Armstrong

>>15353017
Still mad that I had a FH launch on my birthday but it was in the middle of the night and so couldn't be bothered, and then it was the last one for like 3 years

>>15352987
this guy is a secret spacex stan. he's like a closet fag that is vehemently anti-gay

>>15352660
>Anna Fisher

>already at bump limit
I'm READY for the BIG COCK ELON ROCKET to GO INTO SPACE

>>15353144
Presumably you'd just mix up some homebrew 4 Loko and go all night.

>>15353028
SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BOMB

I want to ride the starship as a mount

>>15353170
Even Russia’s abysmal space program puts blueborogin to shame

>>15353028
>"Get out of there, it's gonna blow!"

>>15353036
Is this bait? lol

>>15353149
>not subscribed
>no audience

A BOMB????!??

>>15353028
SpaceX stans think this will survive reentry

https://www.faa.gov/media/27236

>>15353080
you're lying

>>15353162
very problematic uniform we are NOT taking the patriarchy to space

>>15353187
ULA's revenge for their little test stand anomaly

>>15353060
OMGOMG OMG

>>15353183
>"affirmative"

>>15353184
No, and I'm not even a newfag. I just never cared about mission patches until now. I just looked the previous ones up and honestly they always look out of place, but the origin story is cool.

https://youtu.be/L5QXreqOrTA
>1,198 waiting

>>15353190
Wont reentry heating cause the bomb to go off??? WHAT ARE THEY THINKING??????

After the landing burn ends, the flight plan is for Super Heavy to impact the water intact vertically. Then, within several seconds, Super Heavy would tip over and impact the water horizontally. The landing would impart forces onto the liquid oxygen (LOX) tank and methane tank; however, the tanks’ structural capabilities allow it to withstand these forces. Therefore, the tanks would remain intact, and there would be no resultant interaction between the LOX and methane. Nominally, Super Heavy will remain intact. Following the landing burn, Super Heavy would sink at an angle (similar to a sinking ship), during which sea water would flood the tanks through the fill drain valves near the bottom. As the tanks flood, the vehicle would become waterlogged and sink to the ocean floor. If in an off‐ nominal event, Super Heavy did not sink, SpaceX would attempt to scuttle Super Heavy. The primary means of scuttling the vehicle is to remotely open the tank vents allowing water to ingress into the tank and sink the vehicle. If the vents are determined to be closed, SpaceX would attempt to command the valves open, inducing the flooding. Should SpaceX receive positive confirmation that the valves are open but the vehicle is not taking on water, SpaceX would attempt to orientate the vehicle in a manner that would be expected to induce sinking by using a vessel to physically interact with the vehicle and cause it to roll on its long axis. This could be accomplished with a vessel and tow line attached to the aft end of the vehicle or grid fins. During an off‐nominal event where Super Heavy did not sink, additional methods for scuttling could be considered such as puncturing the outer shell of the vehicle using a firearm or remote operating vessel. Consistent with the 2022 LOC, it is SpaceX’s goal to recover and reuse the Super Heavy boosters. However, during the first three launches, SpaceX may require landing the Super Heavy in the Gulf of Mexico intact and then let it sink.

>>15353191
>SpaceX also proposes to add an area southwest of Hawaii, uprange of the passive descent ocean landing area, to account for the potential Starship debris field for the second and third launches of Starship that are not configured to survive atmospheric reentry.
what did they mean by this?

>>15353214
I’ve always been curious about water landings. Several early Falcon 9’s exploded after tipping over in water, but then they stopped

>>15353214
so SpaceX wants to sink super heavy. Also probably 2 more sinking SH's planned.

>>15353219
there are two ships being made without heatshield or fins

It's probably nothing but this line scares me, I'm so tired of licensing delays

I'm scared of what /sfg/ will be like over the weekend, edging for two whole days, excitement building the whole time.

>>15353214
>puncturing the outer shell of the vehicle using a firearm

>>15353214
why not set off the FTS to scuttle it?

>>15353232
Wait until it scrubs on Monday lol

>>15353232
Two days? Some of us have been edging for years.

Any explanation as to why they are not doing a powers soft landing?

>>15353222
>However, during the first three launches, SpaceX may require landing the Super Heavy in the Gulf of Mexico intact and then let it sink.
>may require
So not PLANNED per se, just accounted for in their plan. If the first SH went absolutely perfectly in all respects they might well try for a tower landing on the very next one. But if it doesn't they'll do another, and then another after that. That they haven't asked to do it 5 or 10 times is itself a sign of confidence, though I think justified here. In principle, landing SH will much easier than landing F9, which obviously they have tons of experience in (and of course well developed control software). Unlike F9 it can do a TWR below 1, so it doesn't need a hoverslam. It's less affected by winds, and overall tougher. It's still coming straight back down, no bellyflop maneuver stuff like SS has to deal with. Biggest difference is the relight system so that might something that will need work, though of course in landing SS already in the first place they've shown they can get the engines to come back on.

Hopefully they can pull it off sooner vs later but tower is valuable enough worth being cautious. And I believe the second booster will have a new igniter system, so possible they may want to expend that too no matter what just to be extra sure.

>>15353231
Why does that line scare you? If the license if modified to remove that term then wouldn't that mean they were authorized for more flights rather than just the first?

>>15353233
>there is no good reason why civilians should own firear- whoa

>>15353240
what?

>>15353247
>For example, Starship will not reignite its engines upon atmospheric reentry, nor attempt to make a controlled reentry into the ocean.

cool shit in the pdf bros https://www.faa.gov/media/27236

is this our first official recent cross section

>>15353253
>>For example, Starship will not reignite its engines upon atmospheric reentry, nor attempt to make a controlled reentry into the ocean.
Oh, yeah that's because they're cutting dry mass this time around to give everything additional margin. They just really want to get a feel for the overall running, thermal protection system etc, so this way they can reduce fuel load in SS and shave a lot. It's a hardware rich development program so unlike traditional old space they can easily afford to do stuff like this and spend some hardware on eliminating variables and giving themselves margin, then push the envelope harder with that data.

I will fight literally anyone here if you catch me in public and you once said some dumb shit in /sfg/. I wear this hat everywhere so I'm easy to recognize, pull up

>>15353255
>>15353256
pristine pictures by spacex vandalized with ms paint lmao

>>15353262
I'm the guy who said "If you think they're going to static fire again, you're delusional". I'm also the guy that was offering goldfish crackers at the /sfg/ meetup, but I have a date sunday night so I wont make it to Texas :(

>>15353266
How is a date more important than seeing the equivalent of Saturn V’s first launch?

>>15353271
I was honestly hoping it would scrub. Plus I know I'll catch later flights anyway

did u guys see the new cosmic perspective kino?
https://youtu.be/nxlZMcC_IYE

>>15353266
The 3d succubus' lure....

Can someone read this sperg out by a NASA sõyboy in my Astronomy club? I dont want to read this shit. The context is some dude posted that SpaceX got the Starship launch license, and the sõycuck is a known anti-musk cuck who said SpaceX would never get the launch license

>Sperg: Wait for the fireworks. I'm surprised they did after failing every single faa test and having the largest design flaw since the n1 and themselves giving it a <50% chance of not working. To be fair spacex owns the faa one of the faas own experts publicly denounced spacex and claimed they have to regard to safety saying that he has seen better designs on a bathroom stall done by first year students when describing the heavy and admitted to advising the faa against allowing it but he's only one of the most respected engineers in the world he's only worked for nasa and MIT.
>Guy: But didn't the heavy work almost perfectly?
>Sperg: (Next post too long)

>>15353279
Sorry, can someone read what this sperg was basically saying.

>Sperg Reply: The reason the heavy is considered a poor design isn't because it didn't work its that it has such a high chance of failure as if one engine goes out the rocket will lose control since it has 27 engines and for arguments sake let's say each engine has a 99.9% chance of working then we can calculate the chance all of them will work at about 97.3% which may seem high but for a rocket it's considered absolutely unacceptable keep in mind that is only the probability of the engines not working accounting for everything else it's probably around 90% at best. The 97% is considered unacceptable keep in mind what's on top is 1000s of people's life's work and costs alot of money so mathematical it's cheaper to go with let's say the delta 4 heavy from the same calculations (keep in mind the engine it uses is considered far more reliable but I will keep the same reliability) we get 99.7% because of the more reliable nature of the design let's say net reliability is 99% (as ula has 100s of launches since its last failure which wasn't even a complete failure just going to lower orbit) basically the falcon heavy sacrifices reliability for cost but given a large number of satellites cost far more then the rocket sometimes by an order of magnitude the overall cost is higher, all of this discounting a rocket blowing up can hurt people. Addionaly the heavy is just plain old inefficient due to the small faring and low efficiency user stage as other less powerful rockets beat it with high energy transfers at a similar price point and the faring volume being the same as a falcon 9 so it can't do high mass due to the faring and low mass there are just better rockets also just to end this is a short response and I could go into more detail

>As explained in the 2022 PEA and
LOC, for all landing events in the ocean, if debris is generated, SpaceX expects the majority of the
Starship debris would sink because it is made of steel and will have sufficient mass to sink to the
seafloor (U.S. Navy 2022). Debris is expected to sink within the nominal landing location (240 nm east
of the Papahanaumokuakea Marine National Monument) and is not expected to drift into the
Papahanaumokuakea Marine National Monument. Some lighter items (e.g., items not made of steel,
such as composite overwrapped pressure vessels) may float but they are expected to become water
logged and sink. Though not expected and unlikely, if there is floating debris found by the vessel
during the debris field survey, SpaceX would sink or recover any floating debris before it could drift
into the Papahanaumokuakea Marine National Monument by physically removing the item or
puncturing the item to cause it to sink.

>As described in the 2022 LOC, any aircraft and surveillance vessels (watercraft) described above would
comply with the Project Design Criteria (PDCs)’s environmental protection measures for vessel
operations and/or aircraft procedures

Oh no! Someone think of the Papahanaumokuakea Marine National Monument! A random fucking body of water we just decided to make into a monument to make it harder to do anything around it!

I fucking hate this kind of environmental cuckery the US has subjected itself to, its absolutely holding us back, generating needless excess work, its no surprise that environmentalism and bureaucracy are total bedfellows and go together like peas in a pod, its disgusting to me, the Pacific is a big ass ocean why is this are of it more special than any other, this kind of arbitrary bullshit that just roadblocks or causes a pain in the ass in operations like this, its disgusting. Enviro/ESG fags need to be pulled down a notch they are power hungry and greedy.

>>15353282
>>15353279
I am a bit autistic let me rewrite the intial paragraph

Can someone tell me what this sperg in my Astronomy club was saying here? I dont want to read this shit. The context is some dude posted that SpaceX got the Starship launch license, and the sõycuck is a known anti-musk ape who in the past said SpaceX would never get the launch license (he basically got BTFO today). He is a NASA sõycuck and always harps on the engineering like he knows better than the entire fucking company before even having a degree.

>5cm piece of stainless steel drifts into the arbitrary boundary defined as the Papahanaumokuakea Marine National Monument
>This has caused irreparable harm and damage to the sacred Papahanaumokuakea Marine National Monument, we are suing SpaceX on behalf of mother Earth for their reckless disregard for nature and the Papahanaumokuakea Marine National Monument of the Papahanaumokuakea peoples of Hawai'i which is illegally occupied by the imperialist US government, also we will continue to obstruct the imperialist Thirty Meter Telescope as well

Fucking Hawaii pisses me off

kino

>>15352604
SSSSSSSSSSSSSS

there is a black box bros

>>15353290
The only reason I don't want to suggest cutting them loose and giving their senators to Guam is the fact that China couldn't buy them fast enough after their inevitable collapse.

>>15353149
LMAO WHO SAID "IS THIS SFG?"

>>15353210
>>15353190
It's just a dummy, idiots. Elon has no intention of even having a provision to self destruct.

>>15352549
>https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ast/licenses_permits/media/VOL%2023-129%20SpaceX%20Starship-Super%20Heavy%20License%20and%20Orders1.pdf
sir

>>15353282
he's actually retarded, tell him to take a statistical methods course

>>15353264
kek, you weren't kidding

>>15353289
You are autistic anon. The best move here is just to tell him "yeah I think the test will go fine", let him sperg, then when the test goes fine you hit him with "told you so" and get to laugh as he has an apoplectic fit.

>>15353256
You can really see how the test tanks evolved into the final ship

Had I know that SpaceX was plotting to turn the freaking fish deaf, I would have never supported them.

Oh God, what have we done?

https://twitter.com/Fusion_Industry/status/1646967036352888833

>>15353314
>>15353309
Hes graduating literally this semester (he cant take those classes you talked about) its just not worth it to start shit with him if hes about to leave. I wish I would since that the route I’d normally take but its just not worth it.

>>15353320
TWO MORE DECADES!

>>15353289
He's saying that superheavy is doomed to fail because engine out capability is a myth and could never exist. It's dumb and wrong but at least there's a mistaken logic behind it.

...Unlike his complaints about the Falcon Heavy. That's just complete moonbat illogic.

>>15353320
How's Helion doing? they seemed to be the most far along and last I saw they were building a larger scale thing in a warehouse somewhere

Also isn't nasa working on their own fusion shit specifically for a spacecraft? how's that going

>>15352906
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1647056089622429696

>>15353283
Environmentalism has run amok

>>15353297
tory bruno makes this sound

>>15353335
because he's a snake

>>15353317
I keep asking myself the same thing. We'll have to answer to God for this

I can't believe the two weeks are finally over.

Fuck it, I WILL skip work on Monday, and I WILL enjoy it. I was saving some days off for my birthday soon, but this is worth it.

>>15353332
Watch this video created by a former fusion scientist
tl;dw there are a bunch of bad actors lying through their teeth about all the different fusion startups, their progress, and commercial viability

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vUPhsFoniw

>>15353342
Fuck you faggots skipping work are going to monkey paw us into a scrub, get into the cage nigger

WHY

WHY DID THEY HAVE TO BUILD THE CRITICAL LAUNCH INFRASTRUCTURE ON THAT SIDE OF THE TOWER

WHY DID IT HAVE TO BE SO CLOSE AND UNPROTECTED FROM A VERY POSSIBLE EXPLOSION

ahem, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>15353349
pad explosion will be minor, the tanks won't mix well since there isn't any 'velocity' yet

>>15353348
sneed

>>15353351
Idk I think it will still be a HUGE fucking boom that will mess a lot of the GSE. You don't need the perfect stochimetric mix for thousands of tonnes of liquid fuel and oxidizer to make a giganigga explosion.

they have a section in the report talking about making sure the support boats aren't slamming into protected fishies

>>15353351
Retard, a barely fueled second stage exploded with a massive debris field, when that thing comes crashing down it will ruin those tanks and the hardware beyond repair. Ever since I saw the location of the tower I knew it was a mistake. It can have 35 successful launches, and the one that destroys those is a year setback minimum.

>>15353343
I don't know anything about the actual science. Is what this guy saying legitimate? For all I know it could be a thunderfoot of fusion talking out of his ass or booty blasted that his career never went anywhere. Wasn't there that big event a while back where Helion made some significant advancement, and had the papers visible to all which proved it?

It's not happening

>>15353358
>muh protected fishies, the rocket will hurt their earsies :(
>meanwhile thousands of US Navy boats with jigganiggawatt sonar that will turn a human inside out

PINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPING

>>15353361
>Is what this guy saying legitimate?
Mostly. But a lot of his complaints against Helion are things that are non-issues for CFS. He's a pedantic brit, with experience in fusion, but he has no concept of what can-do American engineering and capital can accomplish

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3216170/china-declares-price-war-spacex-reusable-rockets-economy-driving-new-aerospace-programme
>Chinese space authorities plan to drastically cut the cost of space launches in response to challenges from the United States’ reusable rockets.
>A new aerospace launching system under development in China is required to cut the cargo cost per kilogram to 5 per cent to that of the existing Long March rockets, according to scientists involved in the project.
>The Long-Range Aerospace Transportation System being built at the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC), the nation’s largest aerospace defence contractor, can carry more than 60 tonnes of cargo to near-Earth orbit – about the same capacity as SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy rocket.
>Chinese space authorities require the plane to be reused more than 100 times and have fewer than three failures per 1,000 flights, according to Song’s team in a paper published in Astronautical Systems Engineering Technology journal last month.

>>15353367
lmao

>>15353367
>These goals were set after evaluation of the pace of China’s technological progress and international advances “pioneered by SpaceX”, said Song and his colleagues.
>SpaceX founder Elon Musk said Starship Super Heavy – the largest ever reusable rocket ever that is being readied for its first flight this month – can reduce the cost to US$10 per kilogram.
>Although Musk’s claim was doubted by many critics, it is widely believed SpaceX could bring the cost down to a few hundred dollars per kilogram.
>With an aim of bringing the payload cost down to about US$150 dollars per kilogram, the Chinese space plane is likely to remain competitive as the space race moves to a new, more intense stage, according to Song’s team.
>The Chinese space transport system must be capable of conducting more than 1,000 flights and carry over 10,000 passengers to space each year by 2045, according to a plan by Chinese space authorities.

>>15353367
>>15353371
>space plane
>conduct more than 1,000 flights and carry over 10,000 passengers to space each year by 2045
how HOW is China falling for it??? please god i hope they sink every last dime into this burning pit

>>15353374
what is this

>>15353376
a wild SpaceShipOne in its natural habitat, in the process of killing one of its two pilots. nature is crazy

>>15353381
oh I see it now
sorta unrecognizable when it's falling apart

>>15353360
don't worry, they have a backup in the works in florida

>>15353320
This is legitimately great news, but not spaceflight lol

>>15353362
we're entering an exciting new era of pooping pineapples

Good to see at least someone is seething

>>15353360
>Ever since I saw the location of the tower I knew it was a mistake.
What is it about being on the internet that inspires such arrogant confidence in one's comments?

ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS: THERE ARE FOUR MINUTES REMAINING UNTIL MIDNIGHT, AND THEREFORE 56 HOURS AND FOUR MINUTES REMAINING UNTIL STARSHIP'S LAUNCH WINDOW OPENS.

So, now that Starship is officially launching, how many launches do you think until the payload is deployed, booster is caught, starship is caught, depots are put in orbit, tankers are filling, and lunar landers are deployed with payload? Bonus points for when memelaunches will start dying off.

>>15353361
You're probably talking about Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory’s National Ignition Facility reaching "breakeven" which was bullshit that misled people who don't know the difference between scientific breakeven where the reaction generates enough power that it can sustain itself and engineering breakeven meaning it can sustain the reaction and also power all the equipment involved, which would require multiple times that output. Additionally the fusion energy gain factor must much greater than that in order for fusion to ever be commercially viable, most likely using direct energy conversion because turbines are expensive.

>>15353402
7

>>15353396
You can see sperg seethe further up in the thread here >>15353279 >>15353282

it is midnight

>>15353410
Stop posting your footfag coomfuel.

>>15353374
I'm pretty sure "The Chinese space transport system" is referring to the whole Chinese rocket industry, not that specific space plane

TWO DAYS

Why are you sucking off Elon so much when he literally stole the chaos emeralds?

TWO HOURS