/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15343167
Why does trump always screw up the environment even when planting trees

>>15343167
Yes, they're a huge grift. Planting trees is basically meaningless. GROWING trees is what should be considered important. You know, actually seeing that the sapling grows into a tree. Instead they just plant saplings and count each one as though it were a full tree. Then all the saplings die and they do the same thing in the same place the next year. It's a SCAM.

>>15343304
>Planting trees is basically meaningless.
Sounds like you havnt been to Weyerhaeuser lands where they have been planting where they clear and partition parts for growth stages preventing clearcutting for as far as the eye can see...which Ive seen as well.

Your perspective is like someone saying "Cutting trees is fine, planting them does nothing." which leads to deswrtification.

>>15343167
There are good reasons and good projects to plant trees but if you hear of one it's guaranteed to be a grift.

>>15343167
Not according to China and Africa. They've been reclaiming their deserts with tree planting programs. Forests draw more moisture to the region.

>>15343327
clearcuts are just fine. without them, due to fire suppression, there are no open areas where the sun reaches the ground, nowhere for wildflowers and grasses to grow. before whitey arrived, indians used to burn vast areas ever summer just to keep the forests from taking over everything. go in any clearcut during may-july and its filled with wildlife. theres nothing for deer and elk to eat in deep forest

>>15343167

Doesn't wörk without proper watering, no.

>>15343167
They can actually do a lot if there is an incentive for people to make them work. The problem is how long it takes for geoengineering to actually take place. Most people are too retarded to maintain decades long projects.

>>15343167
This kind of individual planting shit? Absolutely. A PR stunt at best, or makework for useless eaters at worst.

The ag sci guys already figured out an effective way to carpet bomb areas with seedlings. A single C-130 loaded with seed bombs can plant 100K trees a day.

>>15343177
If Trump cured cancer they'd blame him for overpopulation.

>>15343167
plants are.... LE BAD?

it's stupid and will destroy grasslands
just stop exporting lumber and let foreigners live in mudhuts like they always have

New science just dropped

>>15344607
>just stop exporting lumber
This. FTW.

>>15344488

>>15343167
BBC "news" kek

>>15343213
'cause the US wrecked them before 1990 you nazi brainlet.

>>15344910
>oy vey da nazis are out to get me!!!

>>15345053
> antisemite
> not a nazi
you have to go back to your unscientific board where you belong

>>15343167
not at all. i occasionally visit a tree i planted 20 years ago. big fat fucker, from a little seed.

>>15345221
Greta has never planted a tree, neither have any of the other lazy urbanites who scream and cry about >muh global warming all day errrrryay. Trees are planted by rural dwellers, the type who don't spend time on the internet falsely bragging about their concern for the environment because they're too busy outdoors, planting trees

>>15343167
somewhat true, consider replanted "forests" in europe vs old ones that are actually functioning ecosystems

>>15343500
>indians used to burn vast areas ever summer just to keep the forests from taking over everything
lol..........what the fuck are you reading?

Literal CCP tier indoctrination boy..."If we kill all the rice-seed eating birds they wont eat all the rice!" only for insects to eat if all instead.

>The bison are eating all the grass! Im helping nature!
>completely unbalances the environment for generations to come
smrt

>>15343477
Oh lol not China lmao

Seriously. It's a super total scam
They pay people to plant trees
Know what they did?
They destroyed the forests and THEN planted their trees
To make it worse: they did monoculture of a fast growing but non-native species which led to exactly what you would expect

First: it consumed more water than what the desert can support, which killed the native species of plants.
The native animals can't eat them either
Then they had an outbreak of fungi disease that killed their trees

Cream of the crop:
China kept on saying that they are building more green energy. Never says that they are also building even more coal plants

Absolutely fucking retarded. Now they are on the collapse precisely because of their own bullshit

>>15345593
In ye olden times they would take village idiots (socialists, fags, etc.) and bury them in the ground and plant a tree on top of them.
Ancient way of two-birds-with-one-stone.

>>15346701
No, they're reclaiming desert with their tree planting programs. They've reclaimed enough desert to be measurable from space.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/ames/human-activity-in-china-and-india-dominates-the-greening-of-earth-nasa-study-shows

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Green_Wall_(China)

>>15346901
>reclaiming desert
Ohmugherd! They are destroying the environment!
"Save the deserts!"

>>15343167
Blompf is breathing oxygen therefore air is bad.

>>15346913
Reclaiming desert means converting it to forest or arable land.

>>15346939
That's is more awful! Humans are terrible!

"Save the spotted sand spider!"

>>15346944
I know you're trying to save face, but it just makes it more obvious that you're an idiot.

>>15346901
Welp, that's new
They had a major sandstorm just a few weeks ago and the root cause was precise because of their bad environmental conservation measures.
Guess they won on some parts of the deserts and lost on others

>>15346949
I am not him.

>>15346949
>that you're an idiot.
called "projection". you are too close to notice it.
you are also non-human, as you have no sense of humour.

>>15347006
Cope harder, retard.

>>15346955
Yeah, China is not known for their environmentalism, but they're huge fans of massive projects.

>>15343167
trump did more for the environment by planting one tree than all of the urbanite online virtue signalers combined will do over the course of their entire lives.
why are online activists always all talk and no action? are they too addicted to internet dopamine to ever lift a finger to accomplish the environmental goals they claim are so immediately necessary?

>>15347110
>trump did more for the environment by planting one tree than all of the urbanite online virtue signalers combined will do over the course of their entire lives.
Anyone part of the climate change cult should perform the noble sacrifice and kill themselves, in a compost bin or other green location.

The fact they don't kill themselves, proves they are hypocrites.

>>15345599
european cut down 99.9% of their native forests and now they screech like bitches when anyone in any other part of the world makes use of their own natural resources.

I want my trees back anyway

>>15343167
No, but British forestry was notoriously retarded and cut down their rainforest to replace it with conifers basically because it looked nicer. They have been projecting ever since, but trees planted smartly make a massive difference

>>15343500
>clearcuts are just fine. without them, due to fire suppression, there are no open areas where the sun reaches the ground, nowhere for wildflowers and grasses to grow.
Grasslands are not natural climates and are supposed to dominate only high altitude places too cold for trees to grow. All "natural" grassland is either deforested or prevented from naturally turning into forests by hunans after the LGM period.
>before whitey arrived, indians used to burn vast areas ever summer just to keep the forests from taking over everything. go in any clearcut during may-july and its filled with wildlife.
Indians were destructive fucking retards which hunted their domesticatable animals to extinction. Why are you pushing the noble savage myth? Because they were less advanced despite their destruction? Deforestation in Eurasia peaked in the Bronze age, you don't need a steam engine to cause vast destruction.

>theres nothing for deer and elk to eat in deep forest
Yes, there is, literally forest shrubbery is their preferred habitat.

>>15344327
Yes, fag, the PR stunts are nearly always just the symbolic opening of projects using mass seed planting tech. Why raise this pointless opinion?

>>15345084
NTA, but you literally came in here with your childish little /pol/ grift peddling some retarded 100 year ideology and this is not the first time. GTFO /sci/ or at least get a trip code so we can filter you.

>>15345593
Greta is not an environmentalist. She's just a White face paid to tweet deindustrialisation agendas of thirdies who want to destroy the only economies trying to preserve the climate.

>>15346701
The problem with all the green wall projects is that they already fucked up their top soil and acquifiers with deforestation and dam projects. These projects only work in Europe and North America because these were preserved upstream and most of the human intervention was downstream the basins. It might work in the Sahel (if well managed), but not in any of the Asian projects where they can't afford to redivert, they are likely to end up like arid North African climates barring a true megaengineering project that restores upstream sediment deposting flows in the drainage basin.

>>15343213
Wew.

>>15347613
>i'm goooona save the world from impending environmental doom with my soience!!!
>i'm gooona be a hero just like i muh marvel comix mooooovies
why do worthless retards all fall into the same mental traps? is it by design?

>>15344910
>forests improving
This is still a bad thing! And it’s the nazis fault!

>>15343213
>uruguay
those are all pot plants, not real trees

>>15346949
Just. How. Stupid. And. Boomer. Internet. Illiterate. Are. You.

I never type like this, but in 16 years on this site you almost take the cake.

Things you can do to help the planet: recycle, compost, keep things for a long time, have a garden

>>15350155

does cumming into my carpet and smashing it in with my toes help?

>>15350049
Seethe, fag

>>15348752
oy vey dey growin da treez!!!
dis is anuddah showah

>>15350155
Nothing you do on a personal level helps the planet >>15347606

>>15351536
we're not here to help the planet, you've got it all backwards.
nature is here for our use and enjoyment

its funny how people still have a pavlovian trigger reaction to trump even though he has been out of office for three years already. plus he didn't even do anything to justify the anger when he was in office to begin with.

>>15343167
yes the WEF pushed it and the removal of fertilizer in Sri Lanka and everyone can see how that ended up same shit in Pakistan they removed their few ancient forests they have to get the money. Their marsh were good for capturing C02 and now its slowly turning into a desert.
Same thing the west did with giving aid to Africa in the 60s you have to understand the local culture first before any of this blind activism bullshit.

>>15353482

>>15346778
>piss off local mob boss
>get killed
>reincarnate as tree
Comfy

>>15344327
> A PR stunt
You didn't follow his lead, if you and your ilk would seen it and followed his lead instead of chimping out and looking for a reason to get angry then the "PR stunt" would lead to something positive, but instead you decided to be a bitch because you don't give a damn about the environment other than what you can leverage out of it for personal virtue signalling and political uses.
LMAO that a septuagenarian in a business suit can life a shovel, but you're too lame to do the job yourself.

>>15347595
>Grasslands are not natural climates and are supposed to dominate only high altitude places
lol wtf, retard
>Indians were destructive fucking retards which hunted their domesticatable animals to extinction
again, fucking retarded, not true at all

summary: you are full of shit, and make things up with no source because you want to have "evidence" for your racist bullshit, even if it's contrived as fuck.

>>15354611
Cycle of plebe life.

>>15353482
I want Trump back in office if for no other reason than the laughs at watching seething leftists.

>>15356940
Its not like they stopped seething now that he is out. They just found other excuses to justify, in their eyes, their constant demanding chimpouts

>>15356940
I'd like to see currency debasement brought back under control