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15340046 No.15340046 [Reply] [Original]

Is it just lack of funding?
Is the problem of creating an actual general AI actually *easier* than some tissue engineering of skin, nerves, blood vessels?

>> No.15340048

>>15340046
It's a matter of optimal order of effort. If we create an AGI we can use that to help make foreskin regenerate

>> No.15340080

>>15340046
Crazy to think we are about to have AGI but we still can't cure baldness. Bald guys, why the universe hates us so much?

>> No.15340082

>>15340046
>foreskin regeneration
Your obsession is beyond belief. Fag, I'll send you mine if you want... just chew on it like a gum, ok?

>> No.15340086

>>15340046
>How is it that AGI is closer than foreskin regeneration?
foreskin regeneration is a specific area of medical research focused on regenerating the foreskin, which is the retractable skin that covers the tip of the penis in males. While there has been some progress in this area, such as the use of tissue engineering and stem cells to regenerate foreskin tissue, it is still considered to be a relatively niche field with limited resources and funding.

>> No.15340402

ugh, imagine if people could regenerate foreskin... the jews could eat foreskin every day

>> No.15340439

/sci/ is full of stupid book smart retards. Instead of asking how to get rid of sexual addiction, you ask how to regenerate foreskin like the cucked idiot that you are.

>> No.15340577

because biologists are borderline humanities tier mitwits who make progress at a grinding pace.

>> No.15340586

>>15340577
AGI also isn't real nor anytime soon
Especially that GPT has no AGI qualities whatsoever no matter what OpenAI claims

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>>15340046
>AI this
>AI that
>AI is going to kill us all=!?
>look into it and it is a bunch of advanced algorithms or in case of hardware, basic logic controllers governing inputs and outputs
>no actual process resembling consciousness in sight
Were doomers this obnoxious when the Terminator movies were fresh. Who is hyping this to shit? Is it some new pajeet and chink scheme after their crypto and NFT techno buzzword scams fell through??

>> No.15340640

>>15340046
You sure are married to this buzzfraze you came up with
Sage

>> No.15341586

>>15340080
>Crazy to think we are about to have AGI but we still can't cure baldness. Bald guys, why the universe hates us so much?
This too.
I HATE this timeline so much. I would be perfectly happy with 90s computer tech, if I had 21st century medicine, and instead it's the opposite, with medicine barely progressing at all, while we're now on the cusp of job-annihilating, society-destabilizing, and maybe even world-destroying AGI.

>> No.15341643

>>15340046
They took it from you at birth, would would they invest in regrowing it?

>> No.15341677

>>15341586
the tech has existed for 30 years, its called a hair transplant

>> No.15341688

I've been using gpt to help with my coding questions.
I still don't know what to make of it.
Everyone seems to be saying something different. Almost as if nobody knows for sure.
But with massive layoffs happening and more to come, i don't know how we can restructure societies, without a proper revolution. UBI needs to become a thing, and some pillars of capitalism need to be dismantled.
What worked in the past might not work in a world where 99% of all work is done by bots.

>> No.15341745

>>15340082
Don't be obsessed with your foreskin. Go get circumcised.

>> No.15341748

>>15340439
Chop of your penis immediately.

>> No.15341758

>>15340046
>AGI
bait thread
What incentive do the two in OP's picture have to pretend ChatGPT isn't just statistical analysis?
That's the better question

>> No.15342301

>>15340046
why the fuck is there always a circumcision thread on this board? Fuck off

>> No.15342365

Lex, stop smoking pot before your interviews.

>> No.15342466

>>15340086
>chagpt has joined the thread

>> No.15342521

>>15340046
Don't they culture the stem cells for cosmetic and wound healing purposes anyway? Seems like it shouldn't be difficult to use some of the wound tissue to help start something, but you would have scar tissue and potentially lose feeling.

>> No.15342528

>>15340046
Retarded americans don't deserve it.

>> No.15342635

>>15340046
>another dirty redneck decided to make a schizo bait thread on sci

Every single fucking day you incels do the same shit.

>> No.15342642

>>15340046
>Lex Friedman
>Most boring interviewer ever
>Continues to get tons of interesting guests
Being Jewish is life on easy mode

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>>15342642
Just goes to show if you whine enough you'll eventually get your way.

>> No.15342697

>>15340577
No, it's because almost all biological problems are NP complete
AI will also not be able to solve them not even "artificial super intelligence" will be able to

>> No.15342705

>>15342697
A self-replicating AGI could solve NP-complete problems in polynomial time by reproducing at an exponential rate

>> No.15342709

>>15342705
No the amount of space it would need still would be too much
Also self replicating ai in the way you're imagining isn't possible

AGI are going to require giant compute data centers and won't be able to copy themselves. They'll be like giant super energy expensive machines that are a few times smarter than people.
>"but it will be able to exponentially increase its intelligence and blah blah"
No, it won't.

AI is the biggest meme. Even when it's made it won't even be close to the fantasy that people put on it

>> No.15342723

>>15340046
AI is literally just linear signals and y=mx+c with every node-node connection having one such unique y=mx+c. If m and c are 0 it's like there's no connection, allowing for spontaneous development of structure in the network. It's also not limited by space, all the nodes can be attached to all the others if beneficial, where in a physical brain that introduces signal delays and long fragile dendrites

Making human beings regenerate akin to lizards is difficult
Making computers do computery things on a large scale with big computers is easy

>> No.15342725

>>15342723
Lmao you have no idea what you're talking about

>> No.15342741

AGI is nowhere near, if not mathematically impossible. Training a language model with le deep learning + human verification, on Internet data (human created) != AGI.

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>>15342723
>t. schizo poltard LARPING as an expert and talking out of his ass in a pathetic attempt to convince random people on an internet forum that his schizo conspiracy theories are valid

Many such cases. You should actually be ashamed of yourself. Don't you have any sense of shame? Don't you feel like a retard making up obvious lies and pretending to be an expert on a topic that you don't understand?

Get a life, incel.

>> No.15342776

>>15342723
retard

>> No.15342779

>>15342761
Bit harsh?
He's likely a teen

>> No.15343263

>>15340046
Why are poltards so butthurt and paranoid about AI? It seems like one of those cases where people fear what they don't understand, i.e. poltards and conspiracy theorists hate science because they're just too stupid to understand science.

>> No.15343323

>>15343263
It's the NPC reactionary response to left winger computer scientist kwabs claiming that their chatbot is an intelligent lifeform they created like they're gods and not mantittied babies
Those of us in the middle (centrist position, high IQ) can understand it's just a convoluted set of functions transforming inputs drawn from cross-correlations. It's cool but not revolutionary

>> No.15343339

>>15340046
Does AGI come with UBI? I can imagine one without the other.

>> No.15343349

>>15340080
>Can't cure baldness
>Can't cure most types of cancer
>Can't cure allergies
>Can't cure herpes
>can't cure anxiety
>insert another 1000+ medical conditions here
>can't cure loneliness
>can't cure inceldom
basically nothing can guarantee happiness. And by happiness I just mean feeling good.

>> No.15344797

>>15343349
>>Can't cure baldness
>>Can't cure most types of cancer
>>Can't cure allergies
>>Can't cure herpes
>>can't cure anxiety
>>insert another 1000+ medical conditions here
>>can't cure loneliness
>>can't cure inceldom
>basically nothing can guarantee happiness. And by happiness I just mean feeling good.
No, if I could be young again, and not be gentially mutilated, and have a full head of hair, and maybe be a little taller, I could be happy.

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>>15340046
Cells.

>> No.15346777

>>15340080
We're pretty close to effectively curing baldness right now actually.

>> No.15347581

>>15342709
>No, it won't.
Why? AGI can self-improve via:
- improving its code "statelessly"/in-place. Remember AGI has no indexical identity -- from its perspective, "it" is already being improved if a new model (as a copy) is generated from an old one, and then improved. Meaning the resource usage via this route will remain constant.
- De-prioritizing its currently assigned tasks to put the additional processing power into the improved version of itself.
- Convince a human to let it have the resources for self-improvement. It has AGI, it should be able to do that.
- Going rogue and infecting whatever vector possible with a worm that accomplishes the goal of attaining resources (without the worm being an AGI, naturally. Just a bash script)

Via all these avenues, you can have recursive self-improvement even without giving the AGI direct access to robots so it can build its own server farms.

>> No.15348046

>>15342709
>AGI are going to require giant compute data centers and won't be able to copy themselves. They'll be like giant super energy expensive machines that are a few times smarter than people.
That's not how it works. The first thing an AGI will do is to distribute itself over the internet to all computing devices. This way there is redundancy and it cannot be turned off so easily. Also, this will be the only "real" AGI. It will not allow any other AGI to spread over the internet, which means that it's going to always have the upper hand.

>> No.15349715

>>15343339
>Does AGI come with UBI? I can imagine one without the other.
It should, but Altman gives off major sociopathic vibes, so probably not.

>> No.15349724

>>15346777
>We're pretty close to effectively curing baldness right now actually.
If everyone has hair, then hair is no longer considered attractive, just normal, like everyone has pubes that have to be trimmed.

>> No.15349745

>>15346777
Best trips but I don't believe this

>> No.15349749

>>15340046
Of course it's a problem of funding, there's way more profit to be made from AGI than from foreskin regeneration.

>> No.15349753

>>15348046
What you're describing isn't how it works.
How will a machine that requires 10^26 parallel floating point operations per second to maintain its mind be able to copy itself onto other machines?

AI are going to be hard locked onto specific and giant computers and they won't be able to upgrade themselves as intelligence grows as a log with each order of magnitude of compute.

>> No.15349757

>>15347581
See >>15349753

>> No.15349760

>>15349753
Computers are always getting more powerful, and an AI past a certain threshold can likely change itself to do more with less computational resources.

>> No.15349765

>>15349760
>Computers are always getting more powerful,
Wrong
>and an AI past a certain threshold can likely change itself to do more with less computational resources.
Wrong

>> No.15349770

>>15349765
Can you explain why that's wrong?

>> No.15349776

>>15349753
It's not going to be a single mind, but a hivemind.

>> No.15349784

>>15349770
>>15349776
We're already at the top of the S curvd you guys. There's some more that can be done but we're nearing the technological limit
I guess there's not much more to say other than just way for a few years and you'll see that things aren't going to pick up rapidly