/sci/ - Science & Math

Tell us, are "germs" in the room right now?

Miasma is settled science, chud.

>>15295997
they're always in the room but they only sometimes cause disease. makes sense right? don't ask questions

>>15295997
Yes they are everywhere and are conspiring to kill you.
And the other humanoids also conspire with them to kill you.
Be afraid the germs are very dangerous.
We know because we saw them on dead tissue.
They kill everything. Except when they don't. But then you are asymptomatic.
And you are very very very sick. Trust me.
You just do not notice.
But I have some supplements and medicines that will help you with the germs.
And protect you.
You should buy them.
Trust me.
If you don't you might die.

>>15295997
>>15296036
>>15297180
>t. the angered retards

>>15297370
>>15295983

>>15295997
Ever used a microscope? I know that most Burger schools can't afford them or discourage them for ideological reasons, but you should find a way to get your hands on one

>>15297508
>straman: Germs in general do not exist
>actual argument: Germs do not cause disease

>>15297511
I was responding to this
>>15295997
post

However they do cause disease. You can go to any university and find some nerds infecting mice and other creatures to watch them get sick

>>15297514
>However they do cause disease. You can go to any university and find some nerds infecting mice and other creatures to watch them get sick

>get mice
>culture sample
>while culturing add: tripsin, gentomycin, neomicin, antimycotics, bovine serum
>drill hole in the skull of mice
>inject innoculate directly in the brain
>"mouse is now sick, this means it was a virus"

or better:
https://rupress.org/jem/article-pdf/51/5/777/1178818/777.pdf
>get bunny
>get corpse of person with neurological disease
>get nerves
>grind them up
>put them in solution
>inject solution directly in the testicles of rabbit
>if rabbits get sick "poliomyelitis virus is proven"
>but wierdly only testicle are swollen but none got sick with polio
"The testicle of the fourth animal was injected into the 4th ventricle of a fifth. No symptoms occurred in the final animal or in any an|real of the
series."

>then kill bunny
>take swollen testicles
>grind testicles up
>suspend them in solution
"virus emulsion was injected into a rabbit's testicle which was removed aseptically under anaesthesia in 4 days, ground up with saline and reinjected
into the testicle of a new animal."

>inject solution into the brain of a monkey
>if monkey gets sick, its proof of "virus"
>but monkey does not get sick
>only slighlty irritated
"An emulsion of the brain and cord of this animal injected intracerebrally into a monkey produced no
symptoms. "

>take three more monkey and directly inject solution in brain after drilling hole
"Three of the animals, two of which died, showed other symptoms
including spastic leg conditions, salivation, convulsions and postural abnormalities."
>inject in another group
"Two died without showing symptoms at 21 and 30 days."
>must be the virus

>hmm maybe its not the virus but the procedure of injecting shit in the brain
>lets do an control experiment:
"Many of the symptoms seen in the injected group were
seen in the control group."


kek

>>15297552
dear lord did you just type all of that?

>>15297477
Post proof

>>15297899
>post proof that there is no proof

>>15297511
Get a petri dish full of ebola, look at it under a microscope to confirm they are there, inject the sample into your arm and you will see that germs do indeed cause disease

>>15295997
If germs theory is false, then why has modern medicine caused such a reduction in deaths from disease while working under a "false" theory, how could a false theory work so well?

>>15297966
>Get a petri dish full of ebola

Please obtain unobtanium

>>15297973
Please just vaccinate already.
Please, just do it.
Please help build a better world with your contribution, please please please.

>>15297973
>If germs theory is false, then why has modern medicine caused such a reduction in deaths from disease while working under a "false" theory, how could a false theory work so well?

The reason why antibiotics appear to work in the case of "colds" or "sniffels" is, that people are sick, go sick to work, don't rest and accept their limits.
They wait until it is so bad, that they go to the doctor.
Then the doc will tell them: "get rest, drink a lot and take this pill".

The in the first time of the illness the patients, gets some rest, drinks a lot of tea AND takes the pill.

Not before. It is quasi a MUST socially and psychologially in our modern world: "you are only sick enough to rest and heal, if a doc gives you a pill"

And with skin issues and wounds... normalizing the PH of the problematic skin area with non invasive means will normalize the inflamation aswell.
The whole thing with "antibiotics healed all of a sudden everyone" was just:
>before they gave sick people icebaths, gave them opium, laudanum, dimethyl ether, cocaine, heroin, chloroform, morphine, amphetamines, electroshock therapy, arsenicals (Salvarsan) and mercury chloride
https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/look-back-old-time-medicines

Then they stopped all that and replaced all of it with a less toxic pill made from residue of color production companies

So first they poisones people and experimented with various wierd invasive therapies.
Then they replaced it with a way less invasive option.

The fairytail always sticks with: "antibiotics saved everyone".
When in fact its: "not poisoning the sick saved them".

>>15298027
>The reason why antibiotics appear to work in the case of "colds" or "sniffels"
they don't tho. antibiotics only work on bacterial infections, not rhinovirus

>>15298042
>be sick with cogh and clotted nose
>go to doctor
>make appointment
>be on time there
>still have to wait 1h in waiting room
>get called to doctor
>looks in mouth
>knocks on head on several places and asks: "does this hurt"
>proceeds with sitting on his way to small doctors chair
>rolls to his PC
>looks at me
>says: "you have viral infection"
>*writese prescription for antibiotic amoxicilin*
>"take this antibiotic and take same rest for a week and drink a lot"
>asked: "how do you know it's viral and not bacterial?"
>*furiously rolls towards me*
>"because of your lack of green snot"
>ask: "but antibiotics only work ob bacteria I thought"
>*pulls down glasses*
>"Did you study medicine? If no, then trust me, I do this job for 25 years"
>puts prescription in my hand and sends me out
>time spent at the doctor 1h+5 minutes
>1h in the waiting room 5 minutes of doctor
>no test, no sample collected, nothing
>but he was so sure it was a viral infection.

>>15298061
>says: "you have viral infection"
>*writese prescription for antibiotic amoxicilin*
I'll take "things that don't ever happen" for $200, please, Alex.

>>15298027
I tested positive for C. trachomatis once. I had consistent hematuria. The absolute only thing I did different on day was take Doxycycline for ten days straight. No more hematuria and tested negative for C. trachomatis. Please explain this to me with your magical fantasy logic if the microbes wasn't causing the symptoms.

>>15298075
You don't have to believe it.
It was 2017 when this happened.
And this alone made me ask myself:
>what in the fuck do doctor do?
>look?
>point and declare?
>how do they know if a infection is viral or bacterial just by looking?

Collegue had a vocal cord inflammation.
Went to doctor.
Looked at it.
No test.
Just said "it's a viral infection".
Prescribed "fusafungin".
Got wierd skinrash within two days.


Had sinuitis once.
Doc said "it's a viral infection". without test.
Everything is a viral infection now.
Without test.
They look at you and KNOW its a viral infection.

>>15297514
>You can go to any university and find some nerds infecting mice and other creatures to watch them get sick
You literally can't. You're just parroting bullshit that your high school teacher has told you.

>>15298143
>be (you)
>be faggot
>fuck some dudes in the ass
>after snorting cocaine and taking some amphetamines and rubbing dick and butthole with benzocaine
>drug contaminated blood flows throgh dick thursday to sunday from snorting and buttfucking
>piss blood all of a sudden
>who_cares.jpg
>continue to fuck and suck at feed and sneed
>choke on coke
>and continue faggot lifestyle for two weeks
>still piss blood
>Panic go to doc
>"Sir you got a buttfucker disease now"
>doc prescribes meds, please don't drink alcohol and don't consoom drugs, this may interfere with the drugs
>"hmmm maybe I should also stop taking drugs and buttfuck for like 10 days"
>now not pissing blood anymore
>must be the pills that helped

>>15298159
Doctors are taught to "think horses, not zebras" which in practice means many of them take the lazy route and diagnose every patient with whatever they believe to be the most common disease that somewhat matches their symptoms. Statistically, they're going to be right much of the time, at least as long as their assumptions about prevelance remain correct. And it saves time and money on testing. Also, many illnesses get better regardless of treatment, while many other illnesses don't have an especially effective treatment. If you happen to be unlucky and have something moderately rare that doesn't get better on its own but could get better with the right treatment, then too bad, you're collateral damage.

>>15298366
The Amoxacillin was probably given out as a placebo just so you could feel like something was done, unless the doctor really is that much of an idiot.

>>15298366
Yet people are taught doctors are amazing super gods of health.
And you should just consoom whatever they give you.
So what you are saying is, what I said here:
>>15298027
>People wait until it is so bad, that they go to the doctor.
>Then the doc will tell them: "get rest, drink a lot and take this pill".
>Then since onset of the illness the patients, gets some rest, drinks a lot of tea AND takes the pill.
And without the pill they would get better too.
It's memes.
Because before they made every disease worse with the shitty mercury and opium meds, so people feared every disease.

And now doctors are mostly pill dispensers.
You could put a Machine there instead:
>Type in symptoms
>swipe credit card
>*beep boop beep*
>"Dear Patient, you have been diagnosed with [inserd ICD-10 code and definition]"
>*caplunk*
>Medicine is dispensed
>*brrrr bssss brrr bsssss*
>Schedule when and how much you should take of it is printed
>take [symptom supressor] like explained on the Description
>for more Information scan QR code or or reread the Description

>saving time and money
It's actually sad.
Health is meaningless.
Consoom pill and fuck off.
"I studied medicine not "health" you titleless subhuman, so consoom and bye."

>>15298212
Damn I wish fairy tales like that came through

zero people died from viruses in all of history retard

>>15298415
Tens of thousands of people die of the flu every year, dumbass.

>>15298385
Yup, "therapeutic nihilism" or the belief that medicine is about as likely (or more likely) to harm the patient as help them, if it does anything at all, was very widespread even among doctors themselves until recently. Then we discovered a few treatments and practices that happen to work amazingly for certain things, and now doctors are gods, even though a huge number of treatments still fit firmly into the therapeutic nihilism paradigm.

It's also fun to research the cases where amazing treatments were discovered ages ago, but everyone kept waffling on it or rejecting it due to some combination of the mechanism being poorly understood and the treatments being so simple that professionals weren't actually needed for it (job security!)

The main ones I know of are vitamin C for scurvy and oral rehydration therapy for anything that potentially causes death by diarrhea.

https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2022/01/11/reality-is-very-weird-and-you-need-to-be-prepared-for-that/comment-page-1/

https://asteriskmag.com/issues/2/salt-sugar-water-zinc-how-scientists-learned-to-treat-the-20th-century-s-biggest-killer-of-children

>>15298429
>flu
unspecific conglumeration of symptoms
could be anything.
Every fucking "poisoning" and every "imbalance" is """flu like""".
If everything is """"flu like"""" then what is the flu?
It has no pathognomonic symptom.

Its just poisoning or acidosis of winter holiday binge eating and drinking and breathing in toxic metal fumes from new years eve fireworks.
And stress.

When do most flu cases happen ?
> between December and March
Why?
> because
> its cold
> people eating candy, and jumping from one holiday binge drinking to the next
> sugar
> alcohol
> sugar
> alcohol and eating fatty crap all day long
And then they have a new years eve party, where they literally burn toxic metals and breath the toxic fumes.

Also cold causes biochemical slow down of cells, which leads to necrotic tissue which leads to acidosis, because of the metabolites of cell breakdown.

>called respiratory acidosis
If you fall into a ice gold pond you risk pneumonia.
Why?!
Nothing infected you.
The cold fucked up your lungs. metabolism goes down, so does oxigen flow.
Then cells die.
>cough cough

Every fucking issue is flu like.
From sepsis to metal poisning to mushroom poisoning to acidosis.
>no it must be the invisible boogeyman
>a non living particle
>with no metabolism
>that is everywhere but impossible to isolate
>trust me
>it's not everything else

>>15298452
A ton of herbal or food based medicine also fit the latter category for a long time because it takes a lot of money in studies to be able to claim that something works, and often the only people willing to invest that much money are people who can patent whatever they're selling. I think there's been some improvement in that lately though.

>>15298461
schizo

>>15298479
CD-10 code E87.2 for Acidosis is a medical classification as listed by WHO.

Respiratory Acidosis E87.29

J96.02, Acute Respiratory Failure with Hypercapnia

Renal tubular acidosis (RTA) occurs when the kidneys do not remove acids from the blood into the urine as they should.

Case report:
https://www.immunopaedia.org.za/clinical-cases/drug-response/25-year-old-female-presents-with-persistent-flu-like-symptoms/

>>15298491
>muh acidosis
your problem is that you're the type of person who has hammer syndrome; when all one has is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. In (You)r case, you were reading medical literature and you found out about something called acidosis, so now everything looks like acidosis to you. It's a common problem among nullwits.

>>15298461
>that is everywhere but impossible to isolate
oh it's the isolationfag again. nevermind that we have "isolated" SEMs, TEMs, crystal structures, DNA sequences and PURIFIED, RECOMBINANT VIRAL ENZYMES used for research. No, we haven't been able to "isolate" the virus. What does this even mean?

>>15298558
Did never mention it is only one thing.
It can be as well:
Poisoning, alkalosis which is rare with our lifestyle, stress which makes the kidney busy and therfore inhibiting PH regulation.
Also acidosis can be a symptom aswell.

Metal poisoning must not lead to acidosis.
Yet it can lead to demyelination demyelination, which can manifest aswell as flu like symptoms because then nerves get inflamed.
You get light sensitive, have hadache in milder forms.

There are billions of variables in our life and environment, which can fuck up your health and lead to the exact same symptoms as a "flu".

Yet the flu is the "hammer syndrome".
>you sick
>must be virus
>cannot see
>cannot isolate
>is dead
>BUT SEE WE HAVE MICROGRAPH IMAGES WITH DEAD MONKEY CELLS
>we point arrows to them
>and without testing
>we know these are not just cell debris
>but little evil things that are out there to hijack your cells
>But we cannot isolate them
>and prove causality
>bubut please please fear other humans!
>consoom product
>don't ask questions
>and if sick play the blame game, and blame everyone who could have possible sniffled on you with ruining your life.

>>15298564
Source?

>>15298584
Source?

>>15298578
>Poisoning, alkalosis
lol, are poisons and "alkalosis" contagious now?


>consoom product
>don't ask questions
this is what outs you as a contrarian retard instead of someone with a point

>>15298662
>contagious

>invite 30 people
>cook for them
>put poison in food
>everybody gets sick
>must be contagious

>100 sailors go for 4 months on the see
>all of them get sick
>must be contagious
>*oh no it's actually scurvy

>people get neurological problems
>in rural regions
>between 1920-1955
>must be something contagious
>ackshually it was spraying neurotoxic DDT, Lead arsenate and Paris green on food and people and especcially children to "delice" them

>>15298212
Damn you are fucking stupid lmfao

Prove to me that pathogenic microbes don't cause disease, and please be specific about why our immune system is designed to kill them in your answer

>>15298678
which poison causes the flu?

>>15298702
For example with the rosenau experiments during the spanish flu.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/221687
They were unable to get anyone infected with the flu.
Why?
How they injected saliva of sick peole.
Sprayed it in eyes and nose.
Made them breath the air of sick people through muzzles.
Nobody go sick.
How?
why?
why didn't it transmit when specifically tested for it?

They forced them to:
> drink the spit and snot of almost dying sick from spanish flu patient
> get the spit and snot sprayed into eyed and nose
> get the blood injected
> get a snorkel mouth to mouth from soldier to sick patient
> and were forced for 10 minutes to breathe the exhaused air of the sick patient
https://www.jstor.org/stable/4574984

In this journal are multiple attempts to transmit influenza by experiment.
Yet with no success.

Here they walkthrough every attempted transmission experiment until they were unrepeatable because of """ethics"""
https://odysee.com/@DrAndrewKaufman:f/The_End_of_Germ_Theory_by_Spacebusters:b

Please give a source where they proved it.

>unicorns exist
>no you have to prove to me they don't!

>>15298716
Reread:
>>15298461
Look at picrel

And here
>>15298491

>>15298491
okay, so when an other-wise healthy 8-year-old gets the flu, it's from renal failure. and you're the first one to figure this out

>>15298753
Never said that.

There are several reasons why a otherwise healthy 8 year old gets the flu.
For example metal poisoning.
Sepsis.
Acidosis because of accumulative high sugar intake.

If you inject a child with a reactive aluminium base.
The base will react and turn into Al3+ which is a neurotoxin.
This can lead to "flu like disease".

It's even stated in the "very common" and "common" adverse in every vaccine insert.
They say its "immune stimmulation" when it's identical to serum poisoning or metal poisoning.
>inject neurotoxic metal
>child gets metal poisoning like symptoms
>metal poisoning like symptoms are identical to flu symptoms
>lets call it flu like symptoms
>now it's the flu
>because we cannot admit it's an adverse event

>>15298765
okay so what about 200 years ago before there were vaccines and people were still getting flu?

>>15298802
>flu

Whatever you believe the "flu" is...

Starvtion, war, literally giving people mercury and arsenic as "prophylactic" medicine.
Back then every collection of unspecific symptoms was categorised as "syphillis" or "typhus" or Tuberculosis and influenza was later on populaized.
>widespread epidemics.
are literally a meme.
It's a broadcast phenomeon.
If you force test and create fear, and claim that different diseases and symptoms all of a sudden are all now ony disease, then you can declare a "pandemic".

>1) collect a group of symptoms from various or similar diseases (or ICD-10 codes)
>2) declare the group of collected symptoms now are a new Disease
>3) deploy a scare campaign and panic and make sure that [insert new disease] is diagnose as often as possible, so that people with one or more symptoms can be declared as "infected"
>4) include a asymptomatic form of disease, and make sure it gets diagnosed
>5) declare pandemic based on epidemiological/ statistical increase of diagnosis [insert new Disease or ICD-10 code]
>6) use pandemic to increase regulatory power, thin out population and force product on them
>7) after product is deployed revise what you told on step 2) and say symptoms are now different diseases and should be diagnosed as such
>8) declare pandemic is over based on epkdemiolical/statistical decrease of diagnosis with [insert new disease or ICD-10 Code]

Epidemics are started and ended with the strike of a pen.
>picrel

>>15298802
Cont.. for
>>15298831
>100 BC - 300AD
>Leprosy pandemic
>Declare anyone as Leper who has: Cough, sniffles, hairloss, sings to loud in public, commits fornication, has a skin rash
>send them to leper colonies, force them to wear bells arround neck
>make people kill the lepers
>suddenly disappears after christian medical council decides: "Now someony is only a leper if their skin is rotting, and libs are falling of"
>Leprocy pandemic is over

>~1000AD
>Pestilence pandemic
>Declare anyone as as infected by the pestilence who has: Cough, sniffles, hairloss, sings to loud in public, commits fornication, has a skin rash, gets goosebumps when blown in the neck
>Force medicate them with mercury, scalp them and burn their farms because "it could spread"
>even execution is on the list for beeing declared as "pestilence infested"
>if people die because of the treatment or starve, collect their property and hand it over to the catholic church
>1400AD Catholic medical council decides: "Now only people who have foul bumps are pestilent"
>Pestilence is now over

>~1500 AD
>Pestilence pandemic
>Declare anyone as as infected by the pestilence who has: Cough, sniffles, hairloss, sings to loud in public, commits fornication, has a skin rash, gets goosebumps when blown in the neck
>repeat pattern

>~1800 AD
>Syphillis epidemic
>Declare anyone as as infected by the Syphillis who has: Cough, sniffles, hairloss, sings to loud in public, commits fornication, has a skin rash, gets goosebumps when blown in the neck
>now create such a fear and a "solution" that people will take the solution even if they are fine
>Calomel and arsenic as "preventative medicine"
>people get sick
>die
>must be the syphilis
>Catholic medical council now says: "only people who have smelly wierd foulish genitalia are syphilis vicitims"
>epidemic is over

>>15298837
ok so what poisons were people choking on then

>>15298848
Ever heared about:
Wars and famine?
Famine...
Scurvy...
You know?!

Also you didn't read.
Fornication was disease.
It had no symptoms.
You could have been declared "pestilent or a leper" by the church for beeing a sinner.
And then executed, scalped, bathed in mercury etc.

>>15298765
>metal poisoning
>sepsis
lmao
okay
you're actually retarded
>>15298857
yeah i've heard of those things and people still ran fevers without being hungry, scurvatious, or during war (however "war" causes sickness). Scurvy is distinctly different from the flu. For one thing, your teeth fall out.

>>15298881
They can declare whatever collection of symptoms as "flu" they like.
And also ""'flu""".
Flu is pathognomonic not distinct from any other disease.
It has a collection of symptons of which not even all have to apply.
>cough and fever
Flu
>sinuitis and fever
Flu
>just fever and pain in the limbs
Flu
>weakness and cough
Flu

Everything can be declared as flu.

Also flu was not a regularly used term before the 1900s.

It was first used in the 15th century and then it only catched on in the 20th century.
Before everything was called typhoid fever or tac, coqueluche, the new disease, gruppie, grippe, castrone.

It just a term.
A group of unspecific symptoms that can be caused by:
Malnutrition, cold and poisoning.

>>15298901
no one calls scurvy "the flu"

>>15298907
Now.

>>15298907
As I explained here:
>>15298831

You collect several diseases.
Pack them together to one new disease.
Then everyone will have the new disease.
Then after a while, you make the disease by definition so specific, that it's disappearing.
why did polio disappear?"

> because they just renamed it after the introduction of tha vax
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-87hhrg84426/pdf/CHRG-87hhrg84426.pdf

>But the most incredible discovery is a change in the rules by changing the definition of “paralytic poliomyelitis” before and after the 1955 introduction of the Salk vaccine. It is like comparing a sneeze and pneumonia. “Prior to 1954,” Joan Beck, in reporting this same panel in the Chicago Sunday Tribune (Mar. 5, 1961), observes, “any physician who reported a case of paralytic poliomyelitis was doing his patient a favor because funds were available to help pay his medical expenses (from a large voluntary health organization). At that time most HDs used a definition of paralytic poliomyelitis which specified “partial or complete paralysis of one or more muscle groups, detected on two examinations at least 24 hours apart.” Laboratory confirmation and the presence of residual paralysis were not required. “In 1955, these criteria were changed. Now, unless there is paralysis lasting at least 60 days after the onset of the disease, it is not diagnosed as paralytic polio.

They did the solve and cuagula Trick:
> before 1955, 24h of:(stiff neck, pain in the limbs, fever) = polio
> after 1955 60 days of persistant paralyitic symptoms.
> Also split it up in menegitis, chinese paralytic syndrome, flacid myeltis, gullian barré syndrome, tansverse myelitis, encephalitis etc.

How come no one gets yellow fever outside of the tropics? It's just the heat that does it?

>>15298928
>go to tropics
>or live there
>get told you have to take: Malarone, Atovaquone and other antimalarials
>get jaundice
>alongside the typicale antimalarial side effects
>get diagnosed with yellow fever
>picrel
>malaria compared to the side effects of the antimalaria meds

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK548592/

https://patient.info/news-and-features/how-likely-are-side-effects-when-taking-malaria-tablets

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5721398/

"The most common side effects with antimalarials affect more than one in 10 people. For instance, with Malarone, these very common side effects can include headache, nausea, abdominal pain and diarrhoea"

"skin rashes and mood changes or abnormal dreams affect between 1% and 10% of patients."

"This is a very commonly used drug and although there are fewer upset stomach incidents, it's also common to experience photosensitivity so care must be taken to avoid sunlight"

>imagine going to africa.
>taking a drug that causes photosensitivity
>absolute kek

"Carroll also advises that drugs should have a trial period if you are worried about side effects, so you can change to another before you go away."

whahahaha.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17206072/

If you get jaundice outside the west, it will be often diagnosed as yellow fever.
Clinically they are pretty similar.
Only difference is... flu like symptoms.
But if you have flu like symptoms induced by picrel, and get jaundice aswell...
Yellow fever it is.

people got yellow fever before all of that stuff was developed

>>15299073
Yes. And several other toxic medicine was given to people for every little disease.

There were periods of the mass distribution of "blue mass".
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21024749/

As mentioned before they gave people arsenicals and mercury.
Which *spoiler alert* leads to liver failure.

Picrel here
>>15298027

But if you like.
You can keep consooming the blue pill.

>>15298723
You obviously didn't like the logical immunological response you didn't respond to in the other thread, so you posted it here. Read a book on immunology and especially the adaptive immune response before you jump ship and try to shill your absolutely non-proven takes.

>>15299146
So they never were able to transmit it.
But you know its transmitted and a germ.
But you cannot show it.
Never because in every experiment nobody gets sick.
Or equally sick as the control group.
But if that happens ist coincidence and "immunity".

So there is no succesful scientific experiment, which can show transmission?

But you still beöieve in transmission.
Because you believe in the excuse of immunity?
For every single experiment, that was conducted and failed to show transmission?
So you believe in it like a religion?

>>15299096
>every single medicine given for yellow fever turns you yellow
don't you think that they would have developed jaundice before treatment?

>>15299166
>have fever
>get mercury and arsenical
>now liver is fucked aswell
>turn yellow with fever
>yellow fever

>>15299164
You confirmed you don't know a single thing about the immune systems of higher vertebrates with this post.

>>15299184
but yellow fever will still turn you yellow even though no doctor prescribes mercury and arsenic anymore

>>15297559
>dear lord did
you really believe that these few words, debunking all the crazy germ theory. are to much for the ever lying unethical assho.. like (...)

>>15299254
Yes and then you have the replacements:
>>15299029


1920-1950s was the transition where they slowly switched from arsenic and mercury to petroleum based meds and IG-Farben produced coloring agents and mustard Gas as medicine.

>>15299213
Ok if the imminity principle holds water.
And the infection principle aswell.

Then there must be an successful expermient, in which a purified and morphological Uniform agent of cause (virus) had been taken from a sick host, and put into a health host, that made the new host sick with a disease resembling the disease of the original host.
Could you give me a study to that?

Because if that experiment does not exist, then a causal effect of specific germs causing a specific disease does not exist.
And then neither virology nor imunology and epidemiology are valid sciences but interpretation meme religions.

And you argument exaclty like a christcuck.
"Good is real".
"Proof that he exists"
"Pfff, just read the bible dude then you know. And also prove that he does not exist. Check mate"

You do the same shit.
I request a scientific proof for causality, you say "but in the books it says its real and there are a lot of buszzwords therefore its real. Just read the book, by the people whos existance is on the line if it it comes out it is bunk. I don't need scientific proof, we have books the science is settled because the had a consensus."

>>15297985
Lovely Bailey. Do you spend summers here?

He said on his death bed the microbe is nothing, the environment (terrain) is everythingthing basicly admitted terrain theory is correct. Also the germ itself is not capable of causing dis-ease

>>15299799
You can sign up first, I’ll take 3 aids patients and directly inject you with their blood. If you do not contact aids, I will give you $5 million USD.

>>15295997
They're inside you

>>15295983
>proves germ theory
>proves
And today you flunked basic scientific theory.

>>15299184
Actually arsenicals are still used to treat a variety of diseases, and mercurichrome was a safe and very effective topical disinfectant used for decades, until public panic fed by media midwits led to its needless discontinuation.

>>15299898
Kek.
Safe. Trust me.
Arsenic and mercury.
Okease goy consoom da neurotoxic metals.
Please don't resort to non toxic tinctures okease.
Nono don't use Lugols solution or mild basic potassium or binatrium carbonate solutions.

Please consoom arsenic, mercury, lead, antimony, aluminium, and lithium pleaaase.
It's all safe and effective...
Tr...trust me.

We... we still use it sometimes... that means it's safe and effective.

>>15299856
Dude you are retarded.
This was pasteur and not robert koch.

>>15297966
It has already been done.

It rarely causes diseases and even more rarely the symptoms that the virus is supposed to cause.

Now if you inject it into your nose it may cause mild "covid" symptoms. Simply because you injecting in the nose. You can inject a lot of different substances in the nose and get the same symptoms

This is exactly how they caused the symptoms in the "controversial" human covid trials.

>>15297973
Germs are a part of the healing process. There can arise complications with intense healing thats where modern medicine will save.

Moreover if a tumor is blocking for fluids to get through surgery will also save you.

Now modern medicine fails when it comes to the actual CAUSE of the disease.

Another part is placebo. A toxic placebo cure is better than doing nothing.

And with time modern medicine becomes worse with pseudo treatments such as chemo, vaccines and now "Gene theraphies"

>>15298075
Sorry but this has happened with me multiple times, with multiple doctors.

>>15302826
A "toxic placebo cure" would obviously be worse than doing nothing. Chemotherapy and vaccines are not "pseudo treatments"

why don't these fags just inject themselves with isolated germ cultures if they really believe it wouldn't harm them

>>15302996
don't feel driven to prove themselves to drooling npcs who's greatest intellectual capability is memorizing factoids they saw on the bill nye tv show. you're desperate for their respect, not the other way around

>>15298027
Absolute schizophrenia, total nonsense. Get a bacterial culture and add penicillin to it, you will be shocked to see that the culture will die

>>15303005
Or because they know that their retarded hippie alternative medicine does not work

>>15299886
This makes sense, if germs don't exist then how come AIDS spreads?

>>15297180
Don't forget to get the vaxx. The vaxx is needed because of new invisible germs that came from China that the vaxx will save you from.

>>15303037
How come AIDS spreads, if germs aren't real?

>>15302987
Modern medicine always have an excuse when their treatments don't work.

If the tumor is still growing while you get chemo it's because the cancer cells have become immune to the chemo.

In reality the tumor only "shrinks" once its purpose have been completed. That is also where most people will feel the symptoms.

>>15303042
The same way cancer spreads.

Fear

>>15303012
>take toxic sunstance
>kill micro organisms

Yes.
But
How does that show that the germ is the cause of the disease in the first place?

>>15303055
So you think AIDS doesn't actually spread? But we know AIDS can spread through unprotected sex, syringes etc, there have been countless such cases.
>>15303047
What about the cancer cases in which chemo does work? Many people beat cancer.

I don’t get it. You can literally watch viruses infect cells.
https://youtu.be/rAWz_BFj8wU

>>15303062
Oh i misunderstood the question. I was thinking why it gives symptoms.

The antibody/antigen is testing for a smegma allergy. It does test for something but its no virus.
The symptoms arise from the fear and treatments.

Once again a toxic placebo cure is better than doing for most people if they don't understand the tests or symptoms.

>>15303042
>>15303055
AIDS is
> Aquired Immune Defficency Syndrom

It's a acronym.
AIDS is a collection of unspecific symptoms which changed over time.

In the beginning it was rashes and Lung Infections of gays who took poppers and other cia delivered drugs.
In the END of the 80s the symptoms switched from those to "tiredness and certain Antibodies"

> who was working on AIDS ?
Anthony Fauci.
Interesting right?

> But bruh so many people died because of AIDS
Are you sure?
Here is how you got Diagnosed with AIDS up until 2008:
> live faggot lifestyle in the 80s
>heroin, poppers, coke every weekend
>get lung problemes because of Popperd
> feel weak
> go to AIDS test
> fill out form
> form asks about skin color, sexual orientation and frequency of changing partners
> make Antibody test which explicitly tells: "this test is not accurate"
> never verify Antibody test
> if test is Positive or Negative the Testers will decide on what you have written on your form, to give you a diagnoses.
> gay = AIDS
> black = AIDS
> Female and many partners = AIDS
> people are stuck forever with this diagnosis
> people got prescribed AZT
> chemotherapy with a shitton of side effects
> https://www.catie.ca/azt-zidovudine-retrovir
> side effects are AIDS symptoms and death
> people begged for AZT
> self help groups for AIDS people formed
> some took AZT some didn't trust big Pharma
> all people in selfhelp groups died who took AZT
> AIDS people start to realize it
> 2008 when people became awake the US declared "AIDS" is over
> now gay People get PREPs
> AIDS prophylaxis
> Side effects include AIDS symptoms
> tiredness, vomiting, low antibodies
> Here is a Documentary about it

https://odysee.com/@jeffreygoines:e/houseofnumbers:3

HIV = Fake Virus that is attributed to be the cause of AIDS
AIDS = the vague symptoms you have when HIV "breaks out"

But until then it is """asymptomatic""".
And only if intervention with wierd meds start, people become sick.

>>15303062
There's plenty of people who beat cancer without chemo. This is called spontaneous remission.

Once the tumor is no longer needed the tumor will start decompose on itself with the help with the help of bacteria. This is not a pleasant process. After some time with chemo you will get a surgery to remove the tumor.
If antibiotics have been abused and theres not enough bacteria to decompose the tumor it will become encapsulated.

metastasis arises from the fear from the diagnosis, not understanding the symptoms,

This is why a toxic placebo cure is better for most people.

>>15303062
>So you think AIDS doesn't actually spread? But we know AIDS can spread through unprotected sex, syringes etc, there have been countless such cases
>know
No.
The phenomenon of serodiscordant couples (one with postive test and one negative) is the retarded proof that the story about aids does not hold water.
Nobo knows why it does not "transmit" also...

This shit with the absolute fake ass test, which is the same PCR fraud as with covid, and the meme "Antibodies" do not tell anything.
These tests need to be interpreted.
The test is not clinically assesed.

>>15303104
While PCR tests ain't completely accuate and can be abused. They sure do test for something and it can predict symptoms if used correctly.

Does getting a circumscicion reduce the risk of getting a positive test yes.

Why because it's an antigen/antibody tests which tests for an smegma allergy. So yes it does "spread" through unprotected sex.

But the thing is its not dangerous.
The symptoms arise from the diagnosis and treatments. Exactly like how cancer metastasis arises.

Then you can ask yourself why the jews started the hoax with a smegma allergy that trigger a positive tests since they are all circumcised

>>15303144
>Does getting a circumscicion reduce the risk of getting a positive test yes.
>Why because it's an antigen/antibody tests which tests for an smegma allergy

>>15303062
If you won't listen to us will you listen to a professor of Molecular and Cell Biology at the University of California Berkeley?

http://www.duesberg.com/

>>15304686
It's all memes.
Memes to make you consoom crap.

>>15298061
>>15298159
the ESL is off the charts. Explain why the "doctor" is shit.

Thank you for doing the needful, sir.

>>15303056
>take substance that binds to PBP and disables bacteria from making cell wall transpeptidase links
>disease symptoms stop magically in tandem with taking drug

>>15307469
true either way

>>15297552
>>15298027
>>15298385
>>15298461
>>15298578
>>15298723
>>15298765
>>15298831
>>15299799
>>15303089
based germcultist BTFOer of /sci/

you're doing the lord's work

>>15302597
>It rarely causes diseases and even more rarely the symptoms that the virus is supposed to cause.
sources
>You can inject a lot of different substances in the nose and get the same symptoms
you wouldn't get covid/flu/whatever symptoms, you'd maybe get an irritated nose and extra snot production, which some may confuse for flu symptoms, but you wouldn't get fever, coughing, or any of the other symptoms that are not directly associated with the nose
>This is exactly how they caused the symptoms in the "controversial" human covid trials.
whose they? you are saying that some secret cabal of scientist gave people allergens and then said that the symptoms were covid? this fucking website

>>15295983
>NOOOO I WON'T WASH MY HANDS NOOOOOO I WON'T DO IT
>TAKE YOUR MEDS TAKE YOUR MEDS TAKE YOUR MEDS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>GOVERNMENT ARREST THIS MAN, HE'S TRYING TO MAKE ME WASH MY HANDS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
do doctors really? jfc

Germ theory is the simplest fucking thing to prove because by definition it also applies to single-celled organisms. Squirting a hot load of phage on a petri dish is 1st year undergrad microbiology. Absolutely irrefutable unless you want to claim that "NOOOOOO THOSE ORGANISMS AND THOSE DISEASES DON'T COOOOOUNT"

>>15309984
>you are saying that some secret cabal of scientist gave people allergens and then said that the symptoms were covid?
are you even trying?

>>15310004
well what the fuck else could be the reason

>>15310028
maybe scientists are simply wrong?

>>15310053
the germ-theory is literally one of the most thoroughly proven things in all of "science". this isn't supersymmetric particles, this is the foundations for all modern medicine, hell even evolution is more disputable than this

>>15310061
See this >>15309967 and COPE

>>15310074
>Then there must be an successful expermient, in which a purified and morphological Uniform agent of cause (virus) had been taken from a sick host, and put into a health host, that made the new host sick with a disease resembling the disease of the original host.

See this >>15309999 and COPE

>>15307609
NOOOO stop giving validity to germ theory by posting the actual mechanism of action of beta lactam antibiotics against peptidoglycan

>>15309999
>NOOOOOO THOSE ORGANISMS AND THOSE DISEASES DON'T COOOOOUNT

which organisms and diseases?

>>15310167
>too retarded to use sufficient deduction or googlefu when given the term "phage" to answer his own question
Yup, that's an anti-germlet right there

>>15303012
>get germ culture
>add 99.9% ethanol
>germ culture dies
U have found antibiotic

>have germ culture
>add arsenic and antimony to it
>germs die

>have germ cultur
>add lead citrate and uranyl acetate to it
>germ cultur dies

>have germ culture
>add 70% hydrochloric acid to it
>germs die

>have germ culture
>add sodium hydroxide and aluminium hydroxide to culture
>germ culture dies

Elaborate on how killing germs, show germs cause disease?

>>15310188
Your vague answers reminds me of catholics.
Very religios. Very esotheric.
>just read the bible bro

>>15310207
your inability to get a complete answer to the question using google's "i'm feeling lucky" on the word "phage" reminds me of people who were dropped down the stairs onto their head as a child. twice.

>>15295983
>Angers retards

Guys, I think it's just one guy who is either a top-tier shitposter or has a smaller brain than a Zika virus baby.

Just sage all his threads as you reply.

>>15295983
Alright so what do the anti germ theory guys have to actually say about Koch and Pasteur?
No vitriol please.

https://odysee.com/@ReluctantMystic:7/Parker-Lester-Nature-Reality-AlfaVedic:8

>>15310061
>the germ-theory is literally one of the most thoroughly proven things in all of "science"
it's proven so thoroughly that the scientific community has excommunicate anyone who raises a criticism. that's how being right works.

>>15310272
They are the forefathers of medical microbiology through their proofs

>>15310272
Robert koch became famous, because he claimed germs cause disease.
Then he was unable to prove his ppstulates nor see the germs under a miscroscope.
Then he added toxic chemicals to the samples, mostly phenol red and other colors from IG farben, and succseded to kill the tissue BUT was able to stain it and said:
>look gerns
But still was unable to show germs cause disease.
So he proceded with "healing" tuberculosis with a tuberculin injection, which was taking the toxic stained tissue, mixing it with glycerin and injecting it into people.
Which failed.
And then he got famous for some reason.

Luis pasteuer:
He literally stole the process of "pasteurization" from his competitor Antione Beachamp.

Pasteur was a firm believer in "Spontanous generation" and Antoine Béchamp disproved him by showing him, that in a hermetically sealed and cooked water, no germs can be found.
And none were generated.

Antoine Béchamp showed that all bacteria and funghi derived from "somaties" or "microzyma" which just do one thing: Eat dead debris and transmute them.
The whole notion of muh germs, was just an excuse to make people have fear from each other, and consoom mercury and arsenical and trust the doctors more.
And that what pasteuer also put into his anthrax vaccines.
And now you should ask "why did he believe, that anthrax caused disease?"
>be sheep
>get dipped in arsenic
>gets horribly sick
>luis pasteur comes by
>"must be the anthrax"
>sheep willingly get injected with crap vaccine
>sheep still get sick
>because sheep still get dipped in arsenic
>must be a new variant of anthrax
>pasteur never mentioned once "arsenic"
Picrel

>>15310455
>He literally stole the process of "pasteurization" from his competitor Antione Beachamp.
OK I'm noticing a pattern here, how was Pasteur connected to the jesuits?

>>15310455
>Actually the people who created the concept of "mason jars" and "weck jars" did it first.
>They "pasteurized" the contents to make it presevable and hermetically sealed the jar during the heating process.
>This was "pasteurization" ~60 years before Pasteur made this claim.
The first person doing this:
> Nicolas Appart

>>15310222
>broo just google it
>trust me there is a proof
>yeah just go in a library
>i don't givw it to you
>just trust me there is one reach result of 13 Billion indexed results which contains proof
>I don't give it to you, you have to find it
>also my uncle works for Nintendo

>>15312099
did you seriously just wait until this thread was on the bottom half of page 10 to bump it with this retarded basedjack, pretending-to-be-retarded-sama?

>>15312115
>did you seriously
still not provide a definitive proof?

>>15312260
You haven't posted any proof, sorry

>>15312556
Yes. Obviously I cannot post any proof of a specific virus causing as specific disease, because a proof for that does not exist.

You you are right.

>>15312611
>Can't prove germ theory isn't true
Sorry, frame your L

>>15312651
>Can't prove that my uncle is not working at Nintendo

Samefagging your bait thread is pretty pathetic desu

>>15312747
>prove to me that you are not a paranoid schizo

vaccine cope and germcult damage control going full force ITT

>>15303033
I don't know about veracity of general germs theory

But I have some doubts concerning offcial narrative how AIDS spreads

I think AIDS is some kind of small scale infection that spread by close association,

What actually slowly kills poeple might be the medication drugs?

Even by official narrative AIIDS absolutely does not spread by a mere one time sexual contact( contrary to hollywiid movies)

I honestly think it was an elaborate psyop undertaken to promote casual hookup,push condoms and whipe out birthrate in western countries

>>15297180
it really does sound like a schizotic conspiracy theory when you put it like that.

>>15313443
>I honestly think it was an elaborate psyop undertaken to promote casual hookup,push condoms and whipe out birthrate in western countries
very correct

>>15313668
This is literally the way it is. The only reason why people buy into this bullshit is because they're convinced about the "mountain of evidence". Which even the discoverer of HIV says doesn't exist.

>>15313674
I love how people who don't believe in germ theory literally never equate the immune system into the equation. I would assume because it debunks their entire view on the subject.

>>15313698
immune system = health

>>15313700
I'll give you one example. Cancerous and virally infected cells give off interferon alpha and beta, which in turn signal other cells that if they become malignant to commit sudoku, and these interferons also attract natural killer cells, which lyse cells that down regulate MHCI receptors, where this downregulation is a common tool that viruses use to hide from the immune system. Why would your body produce specific effector cells like that if microbes never infected your cells?

>>15313716
>virally infected cells
>viruses
no such thing

>>15313724
Okay then, good counter argument.

>>15313698
Immunesystem is based of germs.

You are not immune.
You are either healthy, prestine and in balance or poisoned, dirty and out of balance

>>15313879
Are you drunk?

>>15313716
>Cancerous and virally infected cells

affimirming the consequent fallacy + begging the question fallacy.

You used a lot of meme esotherics and didn't provide proof for anything.
If you are so sure of your ramblings, then you must have some definitive proof of the foundation oof it all.
A germ, namely a virus is cause of disease.
So it might be very easy to provide a proof, that:
there must be an successful expermient, in which a purified, isolated and morphological Uniform agent of cause (virus) had been taken from a sick host, and put into a healthy host, that made the new host sick with a disease resembling the disease of the original host.

because otherwise you are just making up stuff.

>>15313893
immunity requires something to be immune against.
Here the thing you would be "immune against" is the germ causing disease.
So to show immunity, you first have to show "un-immunity".

Germs don't cause disease.
These experiments like:
>>15297552

Are always conducted that way, because germs alone don't cause disease.
You have to go extensive psycopathic lengths to cause physical and toxic trauma to the "test subjects".
Injecting shit in brains and testicles to show cause of a particle that is typically allegedly transmitted by mouth is not scientific but psychopathic.

>>15313964
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2012.00074/full

inb4 you claim something retarded which shows you do not understand titres or controls

>>15314368
I requested a Isolated purified virus.
You present:
>Mouse-adapted A/PR/8/34 (PR8) was grown in 10–11 day-old-chicken eggs at 33°C for 60–72 h.
Also the "origin" of the alleged "PR8-Virus" is not mentioned, nor verified, that this crap is indeed a virus.

Nor did they talk about the Medium in which the """virus""" is transported.
But since you probably don't know what "purified" and "isolated" means:
>it means nothing but the virus
>or at least suspended in a non toxic/contaminated solution such as:
>destilled water, saline
Since it is in the USA: "Southern Research Institute, Birmingham, AL, USA"
And by requirement of the CDC the transport medium of the virus is contaminated with:
>Sterile, heat-inactivated fetal bovine serum (FBS)
>Gentamicin sulfate (50mg/mL) (or similar antibiotic at an appropriate
concentration to prevent bacterial contamination and growth)
>Amphotericin B (250µg/mL) (Fungizone)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/Viral-Transport-Medium.pdf

Then it is contaminated with egg.
"The supernatant was snap-frozen and stored at −80°C. On the day of inoculation, virus dilutions were made in phosphate buffered saline (PBS)"

No step of purification happened.
So what we have is a rotten egg supernatant solution with: Amphotericin B, Gentamicin sulfate, fetal bovine serum.
Which is not a "isolate" of a virus.

Then what they did to the animals (note the absense of a control in every step)
>On the day of challenge (Day 0), mice were placed in the nose-only inhalation restraint tubes and connected to the inhalation challenge
>picrel
> All groups of mice (n = 8) were challenged with PR8 aerosol or vehicle (PBS) for 30 min.
Group 2:
>Groups of mice (n = 8) were anesthetized by exposure to 3% isoflurane in the presence of 3% O2 and inoculated with 30 μL of PR8 diluted in PBS, by applying droplets of the suspension to both nares.

No control in the experiment was present.
cont...

>>15314855
What would be the control?
> groups of mice (n = 8) were challenged with nose-only inhalation of rotten egg and VTM + PBS aerosol without the virus particel (PBS) for 30 min.

> Groups of mice (n = 8) were anesthetized by exposure to 3% isoflurane in the presence of 3% O2 and inoculated with rotten egg and VTM diluted in PBS without virus , by applying droplets of the suspension to both nares.

This would be the control group, to verify that not the procedure alone would cause the distress symptoms of the mice and that the "virus" infection is distinctively different form the control group.

So what did they clinically observe in the mice?!
>On Day 14, all surviving mice were euthanized via CO2 asphyxiation.


>It was, therefore, somewhat surprising that mortality was greatest in the animals exposed to aerosolized virus as titration.
It suprises them, that constraining them and forcing mice to breath in a concotion of Phosphate buffered solution, anibiotics, antimycotics and rotten egg kills the mice quicker, than less invasive "droplets".
Also what SUPRISES them, more death... but less """virus""" was measured...
"It was, therefore, somewhat surprising that mortality was greatest in the animals exposed to aerosolized virus as titration"

How retarded are these psychopaths!?
They restrained live mice for 30 minutes and forced them to breath crap...
AND didn't do a control?
A simple thing to do and required for science to not have a bias and to be able to exclude experimental contamination via the methods experiement framework?!

They just torture animals and in the end they are "suprised"....
always...

>>15314873
What is your opinion on pic related? Vaccination started in 1963.

>>15314855
>>15314873

The control group were exposed to the same buffer, the eggs were not rotten, the egg debris was spun out. So you are actually attempting to claim that, even using the most generous minimal PFU concentration of the initial stock, 0.375mL of essentially filtered and freeze-treated egg-white diluted in 1L nebulizer vehicle for a total dosage of 0.675mL is somehow the cause, not the virus.

Either irredeemably retarded or astonishingly committed to your shitpost.

>>15314892

First of all your chart is manipulated.
The case rate is very of from what I can observe.

Secondly.
From the 1900s-1960s it was very prevalent to spray down children with:
>DDT
>Arsenic (Lead arsenate or paris green)
to "delice them".

So you have a environmental toxin at play.
Toxic skin reactions to Arsenic are known.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamadermatology/article-abstract/522495

https://journals.co.za/doi/pdf/10.10520/AJA20785135_25733

https://journals.lww.com/epidem/Fulltext/2000/07000/DDT_EXPOSURE_AND_HEALTH_EFFECTS_IN_A_COMMUNITY.130.aspx

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/paris-green

https://www.invasiveplantswesternusa.org/history-of-use-of-herbicides-and-pesticides-prior-to-and-during-wwii.html

So the stopping of usage of DDT and Arsenic pesticides coincide with the deployment of the vaccine.
Also It is very easy to "conceal" measels. Because it is non Pathognomonic different from Mumps, Rubella, Scarlet fever.

So doctor goes: "if kid got rash, and is not vaxxed and has rash, must be measels. If kid vaxxed it must be [insert indistinguishable disease]"

[math]
\begin{equation}
\text{Child has rash}=\begin{cases}
Measels , & \text{child is not or incompletly vaxxed}.
\\
\\
Erythema+Fever , & \text{if child is vaxxed}.
\end{cases}
\end{equation}
[/math]

>>15314946
>First of all your chart is manipulated.
>The case rate is very of from what I can observe.
Can you elaborate?

I know about DDT. I'm asking specifically about the decrease of cases after vaccination. Do you know more about the diagnostics? Do you think that children that got "measles" due to the vaccine were diagnosed as measles?
Also, measles is different from mumps, but it looks similar to smallpox and syphillis (besides rubella and scarlatina).

>>15314924
>The control group were exposed to the same buffer
Please quote where a "Control group" is mentioned and measured.

>So you are actually attempting to claim that, even using the most generous minimal PFU concentration of the initial stock

No.
I claim that breathing a nebulized supernatant, in a extremly harsh condition is the cause of morbidity.

And nowhere is a supplementary section, nor the mention of a control group.
So please show me where a comparison between control and test group is in the study you provided.

>>15314954

>almost no deaths.
Also it is attributed as "Measels related death".
It's the same shit with "covid".

People do not die because of measels.
They die because the treatement consistet of salvarsan and icebaths and calomel see:
>>15298027
>I'm asking specifically about the decrease of cases after vaccination.
Yes but this cannot be established because stop of DDT and Arsenic pesticides were reduced and banned at the same time.
See Webmrel: >>15298678
"US cities consistently exhibit spontaneous shifts in epidemic periodicity resulting in chaotic patterns."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4741526/

The seasonality of measels brought up questions.
Since it appears that it's always arround spraying times (mide to end of summer) was happening in the USA.


>Do you think that children that got "measles" due to the vaccine were diagnosed as measles?
If the child has not the max amount of required doses: Yes.

>Do you know more about the diagnostics?
Yes. No laboratory diagnostic existed before 1958.
Before every rash was considered HIGHLY DANGEROUS and contagious, so it was required to diagnose measels in the case of "uncertenty".
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/254539

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.27.6_Suppl.1

Physician came by: "hmm rash, must be the measels" the end.
Only when vaccination came about "oooh we have to first verify it by an laboratory, but only if child is unvaxxed".

>>15314987
What about after 1963, how did they diagnose? They've already got the measles virus hypothesis, but PCR didn't exist back then.
You're saying that if a vaxxed kid got rash, they wrote it off as rash, and if an unvaxxed kid got rash, they diagnosed him with measles?

>>15314954
>Also, measles is different from mumps, but it looks similar to smallpox and syphillis (besides rubella and scarlatina).

In the early days, there was for example no way to distingish:
thrombocytopenia purpura from measels.
Visually they are indistinguishable.

Not only that. But mumps, scarlet fever, erythrema and the allergic reaction to aspirin, which was dispensed in the early 1900s like candy.

Picrel.

>>15299269
Anon, you forgot once again to take your meds, didn't you?

>>15315017
>they wrote it off as rash, and if an unvaxxed kid got rash, they diagnosed him with measles
yes.

In germany it is that case.
It is even prohibited that vaxxed kids should be testet for measels if a rash happens.

>>15315030
And how did they do the laboratory diagnostics in the 60s? Do you know?

>>15315093
>And how did they do the laboratory diagnostics in the 60s? Do you know?

yes. Look at nasal mucus, and say:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC479927/?page=1

"If it creats giant cells, it must be measels"

>>15315093
>>15315030
https://www.rki.de/SharedDocs/FAQ/MMR/Masernimmunitaet/Liste_Masernimmunitaet.html

>>15315093
"If only one MMR or measles vaccination is documented when negative or borderline measles IgG is detected , the vaccination protection should be completed in accordance with the current vaccination recommendations of the STIKO or the Measles Protection Act. Antibody control after vaccination is not required. If two MMR or measles vaccinations are documented, protection can be assumed despite a negative or borderline antibody level. This assessment is based on the finding that measles protection is mediated by both antibody-mediated immunity and cellular immunity, for which no routine measurement method is available. A third vaccination against measles is not required."

>>15314956
the 0pfu titre group is the control group. proving my "inb4" was correct

>>1529599
https://youtu.be/1sFyrfqTdcg

>>15315317
>0pfu titre group is the control group
No.
0 pfu = PBS.

Higher PFU = more supernatant = more "excipients" such as Amphateracin B and Gentamycin.

https://academic.oup.com/jac/article/48/1/89/924044

"With inhaled amphotericin B desoxycholate side effects such as cough, nausea and mild bronchospasms are reported. These pulmonary side effects were in some cases dose limiting or even necessitated discontinuation of inhalation therapy"

https://www.cambridgeshireandpeterboroughccg.nhs.uk/

Gentamicin for Nebulisation
Adverse Reactions
Cough, bronchospasm
(Also potential for ototoxicity and nephrotoxicity if systemically absorbed)

https://go.drugbank.com/drugs/DB00798

Contraindication:
Amphotericin B may decrease the excretion rate of Gentamicin which could result in a higher serum level.

Also still the "source" of the "virus", is not clear.

>>15315366
Back to 0.675mL of egg white being lethal. Cool story.

Also that quote in that link was noting prior observations from long-term use with a different formulation, which they specifically state they did not see with their protocol and the increased dosage groups in their study had overall better outcomes.

>Also still the "source" of the "virus", is not clear.
Yes, you are right. The illuminati smuggled it in from behind the ice wall and faked all the papers and protocol validations for influenza purification which have been used for 50+ years.

>>15315382
>Yes, you are right. The illuminati smuggled it in from behind the ice wall and faked all the papers and protocol validations for influenza purification which have been used for 50+ years.
LMAO. imagine conceding this hard.

>>15315366
>>15315382
I'll even give you another one. This uses bacterial spores which can be dried out to bypass the inherent chemical problems with virus purification and are also large enough to be easily verified by a standard microscope.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC523056/

>hurr renografin durr
No, the washing step has been proven to remove contamination

>>15310207
>>just read the bible bro
But which translation?

How do germies explain the ww1 spanish flu infection studies?

>>15315394
Plaque assaying is a dillution process.
So you get less and less "contamination" and more and more diluted stuff.
In the medium exosomes, bovine serum, antimycotics and antibiotics are diluted aswell. >>15315394
>>hurr renografin durr
>No, the washing step has been proven to remove contamination
This is not even the problem.
Since you might never be able to read the method or read the references.
What they did is a "fermentation" to produce a toxin.
"Spores were prepared from B. anthracis strain 7702 (pXO1+ pXO2−) by the method described by Finlay et al. (7)."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0740002002905058

they ferment the crap out of a medium, then produce of course fermentation products.

This is similar to: "yeast makes people intoxicated, to provoe that, we let the yeast ferment on sugar, which produces alcohol, then we make mice drink the alkohol soaked yeast residue".

A smart man might ask "why not just, get the fucking yeast and make the mice eat it".
Or "why not just take the pure B. anthracis strain 7702 without the fermentation step?".
I never said, "bacteria are unable to produce a toxin".
But here specifically in the preperation, they let it ferment, and subsequently will produce 3-{5-[5-(4-chloro-phenyl)-furan-2-ylmethylene]-4-oxo-2-thioxo-thiazolidin-3-yl}-propionic acid.
But even though it is half as interesting:
Verify your claim:
>No, the washing step has been proven to remove contamination

>an successful experiment, in which a purified, isolated and morphological Uniform agent of cause (virus) had been taken from a sick host, without meme "culture", and put into a healthy host, that made the new host sick with a disease resembling the disease of the original host.

because otherwise you are just making up stuff.

>>15315436
>I never said, "bacteria are unable to produce a toxin".
If bacteria produce a toxin which hurt people that is literally a disease causing bacteria by definition. You played yourself.

>>15315448
>If bacteria produce a toxin which hurt people that is literally a disease causing bacteria by definition

The claim is:
>human cough cough
>bacteria fly
>you breathe
>bacteria in you
>makes evil toxin

Never proven. By transmission of a "germ".

What has been proven:
>take bacteria
>constrain it, put it in the dark, war, add sugar to it
>wait for a few days
>you have toxin
>now spin it down
>wait more
>and "this proves bacteria make sick"

You have spit in your mouth, filled with billons of bacteria.
If you spit on a petridish (which is a change of the TERRAIN), wait for a few days, the same bacteria, that constantly live inside of you, "adjust" to the changed environment, and produce new metabolites for the "not in your body" environment.
So the bacteria from your mouth are the same. These do not kill you. Or hurt you.
But after you let them "do their thing" for 3-4 days in the petridish, they are pretty much able to give you diahrrea if you lick it.


So our current world and all constrains, depend on the retarded belief that:
>human cough cough
Makes
>human kill kill

This is never proven.
You need bazillion middleman steps to somewhat show some toxicity.

>>15315483
Of course there are middleman steps because of a thing called "ethical oversight" which prohibits deliberately inducing person to person transmission of a disease in a lab setting where it can be monitored. Petition the US government to release the complete unit 731 files

>>15315521
>ethical oversight
To prevent showing that there is no such thing as germ transmission of disease, because they were unable to demonstrate it:
>>15298765

But for some odd reason it it very ethical, to constantly euthanize and torture animals.

But coughing on somebody is evil?
Kek.

But toxic medicine studies are fine.
But noooo not the cough... please not the sniff.

Just trust us.
The cough and the sniff will bring the end of the world.

>>15313951
>Explaining observed mechanistic functions of the human immune system
>Esoteric ramblings
This has to be a joke

>>15316253
>observed mechanistic functions of the human immune system
>observed
sure

>>15316253
>observed mechanistic functions of the human immune system

Let me correct that for you.

Interpreted theoretical functions of an in vitro model extrapolated to the human immunesystem

>>15317482
>What's a microscope for 500

>>15317794
> Person sick
> take sick persons mucus
> add it to monkey kidney cells
> add genetic contaminants, like bovine embryonic calf serum
> add toxic to kidney antibiotics like Streptomycin, Neomycin, Gentamycin
> then wait
> if monkey kidney cell dies
> then look at the cell debris on a STILL image,
> done via Electron microscopy (because its in the nano size Spectrum)
> which requires toxic staining (uranyl acetate)
> dry freezing
> putting it in epoxy
> and then shooting it with hot electrons
> then only see some phages and exosomes of dead monkey kidney cell
> interpret these as virus
> then DO NOT take a single nano sized of these "as Virus suspected" partices
> BUT take the concoction with the antibiotics and monkey cells
> which is contaminated with different Genetic material, such as calf DNA and Monkey kidney DNA
> then shredd it so the DNA and RNA breaks into pieces
> then put them into three sequencers mostly by Illumina Inc.
> tell the machine "It is xy virus"
> then it assembles the shreds of genetic material, to what you predict it is
> this must be the cause of the disease
> self fulfilling prophecy
> and never within these experiments, they take the particle (virus cells) they claim causes the disease
> and infect some other organism with it to prove that this causes the same range of symptoms
> they skip this
> no scientific method applied
> just interpretation of dead monkey kidney cell debris which was poisoned, starved and contaminated
> and never acknowledging the noise of the experiment or absence of any control


> but muh microscope

>>15318566
You sound like a huge antisemite.

>>15295983
the same happens with every discovery, psychological, scientificial , religious, nihilistic, everyone for one reason or another thinks that the current Status Quo is unchangable. And then for no reason at all... someone invents rocket fuel, NMN, proof of god, gene therapy, Metphormin, complex AI and everyone freaks out, denies the changing world but slowly comes to accept it.

Imagine someone invented something that could make any human biologically immortal? First reactions from the populace would be jokes, then cynicysm and denial. It's just what it is. Best I can advice to you is to listen to your brain, soul, heart and whatever you chose but to not blindly follow other people you don't know.

t.someone who isn't over 60

Wasn't there an outbreak of aids in eastern Europe in the 90s from contaminated donor blood?

>>15318702
Enough with the antisemitism.

>>15295997
God this was such an elite fucking post, well done milking the autists anon

>>15318614
If so, inevitable science must be too.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>15319055
Truth is violence for jews, and you know that you antisemite.

how did we end up here, it was just a post about germs

>>15318566
Tl;dr you still don't understand the immune system or microscopes

>>15302894
your doctors a retard

why is /sci/ so anti-intellectual nowadays? is it election tourists?

>>15320208
its a concetration of retards who get BTFO'd from everywhere else on the internet

>>15318702
it has happened multiple times but the faggots here choose to ignore it cause 'reasons'

>>15320214
What you mean is they got banned from reddit for going against the groupthink

>>15320217
it's not for being different its for being a rude faggot who can't word himself without using slurs and constantly shits on joos, niggers and trannies especially if a topic does not concern those groups.

people like (you) and attentionwhores are the worst thing that happened to the internet.

>>15320214
My guess would be they got laughed out of a university medical microbiology lecture or lab as well for calling the immune system 'esoteric rambling'

>>15320227
based kenshi poster

>>15320227
I've been here for literally I'm mostly here to mess with people in a playful way and hope we all learn something more about our unfathomale world.
the rona crap led to the mass spamming of coiltel pro teams and shills across this site which brought out all the schizos and whistleblowers but it did irreparable damage.

People are much to eager to either stick to the official narative or attach to comfortable controlled opposition poitions.
People need to learn to focus on the actual evidence anbd what it really tells us while sifting the data manipulation and slop out.
Because the schizos were dead right about the vaccines.

>>15320253
The schizos thought everyone that toke the jab would be either dead or infertile by now. Cope and seethe, 89 IQ monkey.

>>15320341
I don't see any reasonable fact of it's benefit, yet there are official governmental and manufacturers concerns which are just accepted based on the premise that:
> covid is really dangerous
> the vaccine protects from it

It appears to me the discussion shifted from:
> take vaccine to protect others
to
> take vaccine to protect yourself
to
> take vaccine to protect yourself from death and severe illness
to
> take vaccine to maybe protects yourself a little from death and severe illness
to
> take vaccine. it doesn't kill or maim you most of the times

the whole foundation of the vaccine discussion just disappeared.
It only about compliance of the consumption of a product.

The entire premise is thrown over the board.
It's all memes, yet pwople still fight over the injection as it is some sort of holy grail.
And the sceptards are retarded yes:
>muh spike protein
Never proven
>muh memeRNA
Never worked
Ignoring all other vaccines which had 0 benefit and increased the morbidity of a good chunk of the population.
>bu but it didn't sterilized the world and killed everyone

>>15320341
So you couldn't descrimate between them and the controled opposition fear mongering? How pathetic.

>>15321073
/sci/-tards don't understand marketing and propaganda concepts such as astroturfing and guerilla marketing tactics.
You see this in the fact, that they believe theoretical sciences are real sciences.
Even though they know what the term theoretical means...

Jannies need to be lynched for letting /pol/ tier bullshit just slide like this, and the schizophrenics need to be gassed for being mentally ill untermensch

>>15315521
>"ethical oversight"

>>15322387
the korean whores they employed were not enslaved

>>15322749
>the korean whores they employed were not enslaved

>prove that pathogens cause disease
>do this by purifying the pathogen
>noooo purifying a pathogen changes muh terrain

>prove that pathogens cause disease
>do this by using direct infected tissue
>noooo the infected tissue is the problem not the pathogen itself

>prove that pathogens cause disease
>do this by using a combination of approaches which each account for one or more of the confounding variables so that collectively they demonstrate germ theory
>nooooo it has to be the same study, also they just lied about it

yawn

>>15323092
>do this by using a combination of approaches which each account for one or more of the confounding variables so that collectively they demonstrate germ theory
Proof by "mountain of evidence", my favourite.

>>15323092
>do this by purifying the pathogen
by submerging it in toxic chemicals, and not doing a control for these chemicals
It is fine, just as long you do a control.
No control = no Science.

>do this by using direct infected tissue
Like here?:
>>15297552
>do this by using a combination of approaches which each account for one or more of the confounding variables so that collectively they demonstrate germ theory.
Like here?:
>>15318566

>>15302987
Chemotherapy causes extreme suffering and it only improves life expectancy by a few months on average

>>15298075
I've seen it too. My parents and brother got prescribed antibiotics for a supposedly viral infection. I wrote it off at it being some sort of prophylactic, "what-if" measure.

>>15323538
Viral infections increase risk of secondary bacterial infection, which is why they do this.

>>15323603

>>15323254
Santa Is real.
I could proof his existance by a mountain of indirect evidence of confounding variables.
>presents under the christmas tree
>milk has been drunken
>cookies have been eaten
>a white hair was nex to the milk
>I got one time a lump of coal when I wasn't a good child

>>15324869
>>presents under the christmas tree
might have been dad
>>milk has been drunken
might have been dad
>>cookies have been eaten
might have been dad
>>a white hair was nex to the milk
might have been dad
>>I got one time a lump of coal when I wasn't a good child
might have been dad

>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DEBUNK PROOFS LIKE THAT
>WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT PROOFS IF
YOU WON'T ACCEPT THEM???

>>15295983
>>proves germ theory
>>Angers retards who don't think germs cause disease

>>15325271

>>kidney tissue breaks down
might poisoned it with nephrotoxic antibiotics and antimycotics
>>kidney tissue breaks down
might be poisoned by staining it with uranyl acetate
>>kidney tissue breaks down
might be dehydration
>>kidney tissue breaks down
might be snap freezing
>>kidney tissue breaks down
might be starving it

>virus must cause the sniff and cough because monkey kidney tissue breaks down

>>15323092
>yawn
why do "yawn-posters" never provide evidence or sources?

>>15327453
They were too tired and went to sleep right after.

What a pointless thread.
Perish

>>15328077

>germcult butthurt intensifies

>stopped believing in germs in 2010
>haven't gotten sick since 2010
>"WHAT THE FRICK!111 YOU CAN'T JUST NOT BELIEVE IN LITTLE INVISIBLE THINGS THAT WILL KILL YOU!!!!!!!"
i'm alright thanks.

>>15329966
>>haven't gotten sick since 2010
That's not a good thing though. Most sickness is just detox. When you're never sick, your body never releases the toxins, so they accumulate and accumulate and accumulate until some day you're getting cancer or some shit.

Are you fat btw? Toxins store in fat. When you have a lot of body fat, maybe your body just stores it there without starting a detox process.
But if you're thin there's no way you went 10 years without having even a mild flu or feaver or whatever.

>>15330112
>That's not a good thing though. Most sickness is just detox. When you're never sick, your body never releases the toxins, so they accumulate and accumulate and accumulate until some day you're getting cancer or some shit.
Absolutely retarded premise.

If being sick, is a detox.
Then why is not getting sick, not just a sign, of:
>no toxins
>your microbiome and detox organs like liver and kidneys are working properly, therefore stuff is not accumulating
>not consooming crappy products

Also taking the "not getting sick"-claim to serious, most people would never remembering, having diarrhea for one day is being "sick", this is also a "detox" pathway.
Same for having some mild cough or sniffels for a day...
Or sweating and feeling non vital for one day for apparently no reason...

This is a sceptard mindset, to think only in black and white.
>if you never getting sick, you are not healthy
Also doing remote diagnosis and claiming shit like this, will let the no-germ-camp look more outlandish than already appears to NPCs and System Leeches.

>>15330112
you're retarded, don't think like me while believing your own retard logic.
Go ahead and justify why you get sick, just keep that stupid shit bottled up rather than complaining about it.

>>15330236
>having diarrhea for one day is being "sick", this is also a "detox" pathway.
>Same for having some mild cough or sniffels for a day...
>Or sweating and feeling non vital for one day for apparently no reason...
That's correct, that's all detox and what I mean when I talk about being sick. Having a pimple on your face (or somewhere else) is detox. When you drink too much and have to puke is detox. etc

>If being sick, is a detox.
>Then why is not getting sick, not just a sign, of:
>>no toxins
>>your microbiome and detox organs like liver and kidneys are working properly, therefore stuff is not accumulating
>>not consooming crappy products
Because we know for a fact that our environment is toxic. If we lived in an optimal world/in nature, without man-made food, pollution and so on, then yes, you could claim that your body is in an ideal state. But you're living in the modern world, surrounded by bad air, electromagnetism and you most likely also don't have a perfect diet 100% of the time. So you're getting toxins in. Your body has to handle them somehow. And the process of getting rid of them is when you feel/see those symptoms and what we call being sick.

Oh look its this thread again.
Everytime the same shit.
Instead of shitting up the board go and do some experiments of your own, inject some aids into yoyrself or dont vax your mongrel children at all and make them lick rusty metal or something to prove that ze germs dont exist or whatever.

You dont even need to be educated on this subject.
Just by observing the two camps alone and how they argument eachother its easy to see that the viruses and germs were goodbois all this time crowd is much more rude and shows much more troll like or shill like behaviour and is, just like the co2 will save humanity oh god i cant get enough exxon mobile sperm to guzzle up crowd - actually just a small congregation of trolls and young stupid kids and shills that probably herd the gullible crowd into their own multivit gas station boner pill pasture by continously spammimg the same fucking threads and counter arguments over and over again.

>>15330514
spoken like a true germ theory believer

>>15314873
Ah yeah the animal controls

Always the same story. Even with the so called carcinogenic substances

>>15330486
Once you move on from toxins and malnutrition is the cause you can challenge germ theory.
Untill then you will always lose because germ theory simply explain disease better even if its based on half truths.

>>15330112
So people who's suffering for chrohns disease and have diarrhea 10 times a day are just really healthy and detox a lot. Its kinda strange since these people are the one most obsessed with eliminating "toxins" from their food.

Most of them are very thin and can't gain weight. I guess they were just always really healthy afterall.

>>15330560

>>15330546
What is there left when it's neither toxins nor germs?

>>15330560
When they're detoxing they're obviously not healthy, otherwise they would not be detoxing. Sickness = symptoms of detox.

For the specifics of Crohn's disease see p. 247
https://diracc.github.io/read-book/reader/we-want-to-live/#p247

>>15330586
Ah the typical Aajonus follower

1. Jew
2. Faked his phd
3. Uses fake name
4. Faked his entire lifestory

Beside there's a lot of people who already tried his raw food diet and failed.

>>15330606
1. So?
2. No
3. So?
4. No

>Beside there's a lot of people who already tried his raw food diet and failed.
Show me one. I've talked to so many and basically everybody ate way less fat than Aajonus recommended. And they fixed their issues after they changed that one thing.

>>15330621
Ah yeah the typical they never followed his diet completely. Changing diet is extremely easy. If you are going to nitpick on small details its probably just excuses.

And yes he obviously faked his PhD only the dumbest of the dumb believe he got conned.

https://www.wewant2live.com/aajonus-speaks-about-his-honorary-degree/

Beside he also contradicts himself time and time again.

An example is that he claimed he got autistic because his brother abused but also that he got autistic because of vaccines.

>>15330586

Dude.
Inflamatory bowels syndromes are associated with a neurological poisoning of the nervoussystem.
Your enteric nervous system (ENS) governs the gastrointestinal tract.
Nowdays mostly women and maxvaxxed losers get this shitty syndrome.
Whay because they are trivially neurologically poisoned with aluminium.
And women even more because of the HPV vaccine which contains Aluminium Hydroxyphosphate Sulphate, which is a neurotoxin, of which only Merck knows what it is actually doing.

And oh wonder, mysteriously since the mit 2000s young women increasingly, get gastrointestinal problems and wierd neurological shit like:
>MS
>Firbromyaliga
>Chronic fatique syndrome
>All sorts of intolerances and inflamatory bowel syndromes

Wierd...
And they even fucked with the trials of this vaccine, to make sure educated white roasties get neurologically poisoned with this crap.

>>15310192
eat some germs and see if you get sick

>>15330661
>eat some germs and see if you get sick
every day I do this my dude.

I drink unpasteurized milk every day.
I even let the milk ferment and produce more germs to get yoghurt.
I sometimes eat food I droped on the floor.
Sometimes, after traveling with subway, bus and touching all the evil handles and shit, and then I don't have time in between to wash my hands, and I touch my face and eat finger food, with my unwashed germy hands.
I touch and consoom germs every single day.

>>15330676
Unpasteurized milk approved by the FDA?

>>15330676
eat more germs, eat all the germs; never wash your self again. become the germs.

>>15330646
Read this brief summary and think about what you've said.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncpgasthep0528

>>15330714
Dude..
>Autoimmunity
Is a unproven shitty explaination for:
>whe don't know what causes this disease

But for some reason...
"Environmental neurotoxins" wierdly reactivate these conditions:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16691608/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734944/

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2022.997356/full

In the past people took arsenic, antomony and mercury all the time...
and guess what people had a lot in the past?
> explosive shit and spray
And of course, as medicine ... they took:
> more mercury.

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/langas/PIIS2468-1253(16)30091-7.pdf
This curious case might interest you.

Autoimmunity is the "Dark Matter" of Medicine to avoid telling you, that you are trivially poisoned by our modern world.
Otherwise I would recommend to you, taking the blue pill

>>15299096
>>15330236

>>15310207
Catholicism isn't esoteric (which you can't spell ? )

The whole of the Church's teaching is really pretty out in the open, and any interested person can find it pretty easily.

Anons we need to solve the problem of what really causes disease and why germ theory and terrain theory are wrong

What are your primary leads? Taking literally any suggestions no matter how out of it they are as long as you can justify them.

After all this time, Midwits still don't acknowledge miasma theory as the one true theory.

>>15331145
Could you outline miasma theory I don't think I'm familiar with it?

>>15331103
Geerd Hamer.

Unfortunately most of his work is German and the english translations is pretty bad.

>>15331094
>Catholicism
>>15331094
>The whole of the Church's teaching is really pretty out in the open

Dude...
They literally made up shit:
>trinity, not once mentioned in the bible
>original sin
>Jesus is god and therefore his own father
>Capital of Catholicism is covered in graffity of little naked boys with their dicks out
>yet angels are never described once in the bible as such

>>15331147
Same a s virus aerosols.
Church poisoned wells.
People got sick.
Church ran arround called it Miasma.
Which means bad air.

>>15331103
>What are your primary leads? Taking literally any suggestions no matter how out of it they are as long as you can justify them.
>getting poisoned
>emotional & psychological stress
>physical and psychological trauma
>malnutrition

>>15331162
Oh, his work on brain scans I saw that once, very curious.

>>15331171
>Church poisoned wells.
How do you confuse the church with records of jews poisoning wells?

>>15297966
Funny enough it's hard to get sick using viral samples like that.

>>15331103
>Anons we need to solve the problem of what really causes disease
Your bad habits.
>and why germ theory and terrain theory are wrong
They are wrong because we hardly give a fuck about viruses and many bacteria work for us.
>What are your primary leads?
Tooth Decay.
You know how certain drugs can trigger certain mental issues? Your habits will trigger bacteria issues.
Now If I were to implant you a DecayING Tooth, what would the chances you get Tooth Decay be? How would the mouth's bacteriosystem react? Would it be the same result If I only put that bacteria in your tooth?
Shit only fuck you up because you give them the go ahead.
This is the reason why both theories (germs & terrain) seemingly work. We just pretend you are not to blame.
Just do things then clean yourself daily.

>>15330744
Absolute nonsense post by you. Thanks for trying and failing again.

>>15331162
>Unfortunately most of his work is German and As native i can assure there is mo translation problem. The German original is just as bad. The man is not able to write in an understandable style, his wordings are misleading and what he calls science is a confusing accumulation of allegations taken out of thin air. If i have to make a controlled opposition by confusing the audience i would do that way.

Search for Lothar Hinreise and Stefan Lanke if you want to get some useful information.

>>15332186
Why would you listen to Stefan Lanka when he himself admits Hamer is right.

The biggest difference is that he is not scared to call out the jew unlike Lanka.

His allegations against the jews ain't science but his research with CT Scans and phases of disease defiently is.

>>15332575
GNM is retarded

>>15332686
Yes it's retarded when you have people taking calling themselves gnm therapists by taking a few courses. This guy can't even read a CT Scan. This is nothing but a typical salesman.


You also think you can call yourself a doctor by taking a one week course. These people have no education no clinical experience and yet they call themselves doctors or therapists.
Alternative medicine is filled with salesmen like that.

>>15332697
Everything he said in that pic is in accordance with GNM, no? You can eat junk food as long as it's your fav food and when you avoid it you can get sick.

>>15333000
Yes you can eat junk food without getting digestive issues. It doesn't mean you should.
People do that everyday without digestive issues. You probably did it at some point without digestive issues. Its probably not a good idea to get people to just start eat junk food when they have spent years avoiding them.

You can't just google your symptoms and expect to have an accurate diagnosis. This is essentially what these people do. This is doomed to fail.

Alternative medicine is filled with people with no clinical experience or educations. They have no training. There's no standards at all.

To become a "real" doctor you need years of training INCLUDING practical training. There's certain standards to it.

Beside you can't just undo years of propaganda in a matter of days.

Its insane to tell an aids or cancer patient to stop all his treatments and just start a new treatment without him understanding it fully. Alternative medicine feeds on people like that.
Telling a cancer patient to just "change" diet and stop all other treatments are doomed to fail.


Its always better to get knowledge about diseases before you get sick because a desperate person can't think clear most of the time.

There's no easy way to get well from serious illnesses. No matter what supplement,diet or drug someone wants to sell you.

>>15333027
>Beside you can't just undo years of propaganda in a matter of days.

>100yo theory
>not one scientifically valid proof

>>15295997
How can so many retards be baited with this shit lmao

>>15334581
>buht we have the genetic sequence

>>15336481
>>15334581
Samefaggot

>>15298061
Similar experience
>be 17
>clean bath
>pour some caustic chorine shit over my foot
>wash it of, prickled a little
>next day
>get wierd infection between my toes
>go to doctor
>tell him the story of what happened
>Dr. looks at it: "Looks like a fungal infection"
>*prescribes antimycotic cream*
>whut.png
>tell him again: "I think it's some chemical burn because, of the caustic cleaner."
>Dr.: "No its definetly a fungal diseases, I do this job x amount of years."
>asks him what the alternative option would be if it is a chemical burn
>he insits it is fungal, refused to tell me an alternative
>ok fine.
>put cream on
>5 days later it got worse
>be at friends house
>playing vidya
>his grandma asked us for help
>hump over because foot is fucked
>gran asks "what happened?"
>tell her story
>tells me I should marinate my foot with cola and keep it dry for some days
>why not
>go home
>marinate my foot in cola
>dry it up
>next day the infected skin literally was vitrified, no pain no itch
>next day infected skin falls of
>shit was gone after 3 days

>>15310297
No, more like people just stop associating with people that constantly say stupid things. It's not some big conspiracy.

>>15337822
What stupid things? Example?

>>15337822
>It's not some big conspiracy.
thats right.
It's big ego.
And fear because then a big amount of scientists will be revealed as pseudo scientists, because they do not adhere to the scientific method.
Also then there will big big questions about the animal torture experiments, which literally show nothing but that animals die if you inject them shit in their brain.

They have no evidence, and because of that, they kill animals as a sacrifice to show you at least some death caused by their witches brew they produce in the "experiments".
And then they obfuscate it with jargon.

>if you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, blind them with bullshit

Read some Harold Hillman and the work of Gilbert Ling
https://www.bmartin.cc/pubs/96ce/5_Hillman.pdf
https://www.big-lies.org/harold-hillman-biology/index.html

>>15297180
Thanks to your advice i just booked an appointment for my fourth pfizer shot. I almost forgot so thank you to remind me.

>>15313716
You've truly been brainwashed.

>>15320128
Bacterias eat rotten tissue. It's needed for health. But it's difficult to understand for people who've been brainwashed by Rockefeller's medicine.

>>15337894
>Harold Hillman
That dude proved that ribosomes are fake and gay.
Electron microscopy is just images of stained fixation medium, which rarely indicated anything if you don't have a control.
And even then, it's a wild guess what they are actually seeing and if the fixation and staining artifacts introduce so much noise, that you can hardly say what is cause and effect.

>>15338130
Just vaccinate and congratulate.

>>15297508
>Ever used a microscope
How does a microscopes prove causality?

>>15297552
These tests are retarded to another level, in the first place humans get ill from bacteria that would usually be good to a cow or a sow but is incompatible with a human. Its because it makes little sense for organisms to evolve to kill, and if course - injecting a disease that kills a human because they are good at humans does not mean it can do anything to a rabbit or mouse

>>15342417
>These tests are retarded to another level, in the first place humans get ill from bacteria that would usually be good to a cow or a sow but is incompatible with a human. Its because it makes little sense for organisms to evolve to kill, and if course - injecting a disease that kills a human because they are good at humans does not mean it can do anything to a rabbit or mouse
Did you simply ignore the fact, that they injected ground up testicles in the brain of monkeys?

Also baseless claims:
>in the first place humans get ill from bacteria that would usually be good to a cow or a sow but is incompatible with a human.
>injecting a disease


Also if you are questioning the physiological differences of human and rodents... then you also must reject all science based on animal testing aswell...

>>15328961

>>15309999
>NOOOOOO THOSE ORGANISMS AND THOSE DISEASES DON'T COOOOOUNT

How does a petridish show causality of the organism, being the cause of a flu?

>>15297552
>inject rabbit ground up testicles intercerebrally into other animals

What the fuck.
What kind of sick psychopath thinks this will show anything beyond
>the damage caused by injecting testicle matter in the brain, is a bad thing?

Why do they need a control to see that this retarded procedure is nothing but torture?
Either they are sadistic psychopaths who like to torture animals, or they are dumb as a loaf of bread.

>>15342183
>Literally watch cholera toxin cause lumen epithelial cells shoot out chloride
???

How could an equivalence class between an object of a topological space with anothers of the same kind that captures their shared local properties trigger someone?

>>15346038
[Citation needed]

>>15346326
Why? I still have yet to see any citations disproving germ theory.

>>15346917
Have you seen any citations *proving* germ theory?

>>15346917
>absence of proof = disproven

I havent seen a disprove of the theory that invisible exploding unicorns did 9/11.

I havent seen a disprove of God.

I have 20 Lamborghinis. It's fact until you disprove it.