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Why can't mathematicians and physicists make more discoveries like the amplituhedron?
>Physicists have discovered a jewel-like geometric object that dramatically simplifies calculations of particle interactions and challenges the notion that space and time are fundamental components of reality
>Interactions that were previously calculated with mathematical formulas thousands of terms long can now be described by computing the volume of the corresponding jewel-like “amplituhedron,” which yields an equivalent one-term expression
https://www.quantamagazine.org/physicists-discover-geometry-underlying-particle-physics-20130917
>Edward Witten described the work as "very unexpected" and said that "it is difficult to guess what will happen or what the lessons will turn out to be"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplituhedron
It seems like people are more interested in adding more complex things to already extremely complex theories instead of looking at the fundamentals where they might discover things that could significantly simplify their work

>> No.15330838

>>15330828
Plato has been redeemed.

>> No.15330883

>>15330828
I like it, he really tackled the dimension problem of string theory.

>> No.15331516

bumperino

>> No.15331624
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>>15331516
no u bumperino

>> No.15331646

>>15331516
nobody is interested in your vanity thread, just let it 404. next time you start a thread, don't do so while referencing a wikipedia or any other political propaganda outlet and don't reference hebrew political activists like twitten, maybe people will take you seriously if you don't come off as a shill

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>>15331646
Youre not a Physicist. What are you?

>wikipedia
>political propaganda
>hebrew political activists
>shill
Ah...Political Scientist. Yes yes...it has the word "Science" but you belong on /pol/. Now git.

>> No.15331809

>>15330828
>Why can't mathematicians and physicists make more discoveries like the amplituhedron
job security
grant money is a finite resource they have to divide between eeach other, if they lower the bar of entry to the field, their piece of the pie gets smaller
it's a wonder physishits still didn't adopt the language of higher topos theory

>> No.15332310

>>15330828
This was a bunch of hype around 10 years ago. It's in N=4 super Yang-Mills, not a realistic theory. I don't know how this got on the radar of journalists but there are lots of other abstract advances made in theories like this that are equally interesting.

>> No.15332404

>>15330828
QFTs are notoriously messy, the fact that something like this even works for a toy model is very surprising, but this hardly guarantees it'll correspond with real models. This shit isn't even well-understood by mathematicians, the relationships between the 2 subjects have never been closer since the time of newton.

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>>15332310
>there are lots of other abstract advances made in theories like this that are equally interesting
Post them.

>> No.15332769

>>15331646
what the hell are you talking about ?

>> No.15332771 [DELETED] 

>>15332310
such as ?

>> No.15332782

>>15332310
>This was a bunch of hype around 10 years ago
There's over 400 papers on the Amplituhedron since 2019 on google scholar
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&as_vis=1&q=Amplituhedron&scisbd=1
And 50 papers on Arxiv since 2019
https://arxiv.org/search/?query=Amplituhedron&searchtype=all&source=header

What are the other advancements that are equally as interesting ?

>> No.15332785

>>15330828
>It seems like people are more interested in adding more complex things to already extremely complex theories instead of looking at the fundamentals where they might discover things that could significantly simplify their work
Modern universities are anti-intellectual. The reason modern physicists aren't doing work like this is that they are uncreative insectoid faggots who survive by chasing bandwagon and gatekeeping.
>Why hasn't string theory proven that there are more than 2 genders yet???
modern physics is more concerned with that sort of question than with finding elegant ways to do things. Why the hell would they want to make their work easier? That would just make it easier for someone else to do their job. We can't have that because are already over-"educating" physicists (really just handing out more insect degrees to increase headcount and get more funding).

>> No.15332792

The job of a mathematician is to simplify, also that of a physicst but they honestly suck

>> No.15332946

>>15332310
>abstract advances made in theories like this that are equally interesting
uhh the last one was feynman diagrams not sure what you're talking about...

>> No.15334853

>>15330828
bump

>> No.15334857

None of you retards have any clue what this shit is, if u did u wouldn't be wasting your time in this shithole.

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>>15334857
silly bot putting people down trying to learn. Trying to humiliate them over lobster status games that co-opt the scientific persuit for egomanical episodes of self stultification.

Maybe your just a plant to stop getting anons to persue the scientific persuit sincerely.

anyways, bump, i'm quite fascinated in shapes conferring topological spaces, not just representing something inside an algebra, but algebras themselves

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>>15334961
You actually need this.

>> No.15334982

>>15334971
gross

>> No.15335394

>>15334971
you are a fag

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>>15330828
>Why can't mathematicians and physicists make more discoveries like the amplituhedron?
Tons of other people ripped me off, dude.

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>>15335405
>Tons of other people ripped me off
Sections 31, 32, 33, 56, 57, and 58, for example.

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>>15335405
>>15335408

>> No.15337020

>>15334857
i know what it is. It's an amplituhedron

>> No.15337024

>>15335408
>Do not upload images containing additional data such as embedded sounds, documents, archives, etc.
https://www.4channel.org/rules

>> No.15337439

>>15330828
You're a retard talking about things you don't understand. This is a special example of a Grassmannian, i.e. a very complex thing added to an already extremely complex theory that happened to have an intuitive and simple interpretation in this one context.