/sci/ - Science & Math

We are so back

Before this thread gets too long, does anyone know of a 4 ft tall Starship model with chopsticks, OLM, separable booster, made of stainless steel? Also I want a Starhopper trashcan.

Musk is sweet talking the FFA

Total FFA death

>>15320283
>>15320281
FAA you illiterate nigger.

>>15320287
Federal fuck ass

Federal Faviation Administration

>>15320277
who is this cutie?

Some retard made another /sfg/ and didn't even stage it from the last thread.

>>15320261
>Reagan and Eisenhower are rolling in his graves.
Faggots, both of them

>>15320307
If they didn't help spaceflight then they weren't a good president. Simple as.

We are almost there bros. Just wait a little longer, everyone's saying April 10th.

What's going on here?

>>15320279
2 weeks

>>15320283
The Federal Flight Administration, not to be confused with the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA)

>>15320322
WE ARE ALMOST THERE BROS. THE LIVESTREAM WILL BE GLORIOUS!!

>>15320279
Less than two weeks warning signal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9rRSY0dRIU

What does Russian and Chinese media say about Artemis? Curious to see what they think

>>15320355
Who gives a shit about Artemis? Ask what they think about SpaceX

Venusian cloud colony

>>15320370

>>15320373
Venusian colonies will happen once we have an established presence on Titan, definetly not first place we go. It will be cloud colonies though, but like 100 years in the future is when we start

>>15320377
>an established presence on Titan
thats not happening either lol

>>15320380
Terraforming is gay, just have a presence there to literally be a gas pump for the rest of the solar system, and make LOx out of water-ice on different planets/systems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5y20UmA7_k
Tianlong-2 footage

Does anyone know what the equation for how much lift a gas provides is? I want to see what the difference in lift is for hotter hydrogen to see if cloud cities on the gas giants is feasible (not smart, just feasible

>>15320303
she has an instagram with armpit pics

Probability of this happening?

>>15320413
well, you can use dF=dP*A to generate how much force a gas applies(using it's pressure) on a surface area A
and then use newton's second law and the gravity of whatever planet to see how much mass it could hold up.

that being said, this is a weak undergrad calculation using classic thermodynamics, not sure how accurate it is but I'm sure it'll satisfy you.

>>15320435
Hopefully it happens and musk has a heart attack and dies

>>15320429
I won't believe you until I see the source.

>>15320435
My money is on a failure during max-q, I'm afraid the whole fullstack will bend in half like a bad KSP build under the stress. If it makes it through that and stages I expect reentry to go fine, probably.

>>15320441
Kys NASA nigger

>>15320435
if it makes it past max q, there's a 100% chance a bunch of tiles will have fallen off and it RUDs on reentry

>>15320457
I will be surprised if half of the tiles stay on the ship

>>15320413
you could probably have something buoyant in a gas giant, but the gravity is so high you can't really leave, there is also massive radiation

the dV requirements to get from the "surface" of Jupiter into some high orbit would be insane, maybe someone has a "map" or chart for different places, but there is not much sense to go graze the surface of Jupiter or start orbiting there so it might not be in a chart like that

>>15320440
>>15320413
sorry it's dF=PdA, there's no reason for pressure to 'change' much on the same height, you integrate over the area obviously, I was thinking of another equation
also the issue will be calculating the pressure, because you need to know the exact gas composition, it's density, planetary gravity and the required height as well.

>>15320443
doxxing is against the rules

>>15320467
21 km/s to get from earth surface to jupiter roughly

>>15320454
Starship ENB Realism Overhaul

>>15320478
>>15320467
to get from a jupiter "surface" (assuming you are on a cloud city that is not orbiting) to LEO is 70 km/s
fucking 70 lmaooo

>>15320457
it needs zero tiles to survive reentry

Favorite startups that will ride Starship's coattails?

>>15320491
The one you havent heard about

>>15320488
??? 3mm of steel vs super-heated plasma I wonder what happens

>>15320467
> well dwellers
lol just lol

>>15320496
4mm of aerospace spacex-grade cold rolled 30X stainless steel can survive at least one reentry unprotected. they are worried about vorticies not the tiles

>>15320509
lmao

>>15320509
based vanilla ksp player

VERITAS bout to be canceled fuck yes

>>15320504
>bro just build a cloud city on venus

>>15320518
inb4 Based Congress overfunds it just to fuck Biden's ass (as they did with NGGRST and Trump)

>>15320520
jupiter
fuck

PLASMA CAN'T MELT STEEL STARSHIPS

>>15320516
ksp 2 doesnt even have reentry physics, or any heating at all

Not gonna lie this shit made me emotional
>https://youtu.be/hyYqLaeHM7g
I don’t want to sound like a faggot but I’ll probably cry during the real starship OFT

>>15320531
Why is KSP2 literally worse than KSP1

>>15320534
Because, like all modern games, KSP1 was released to the public years before it reached its finished state. By the time Artemis III lands on the moon KSP2 will probably be in a mostly finished state.

>>15320534
Because KSP1 had a ton of scope creep. It should have focused on the space aspect of it and had a relatively minimal atmospheric sim (i.e. just aeroforces, don't make a full CFD setup).

>>15320534
Different developers, aren't they? I thought the old team left in disgust when they had to work with the newfags. It's telling that the physics are all broken to shit but the kerbals and parts are polished-looking and shiny.

>>15320322
>reusable
I doubt these tiles are even usable.

>>15320534

they forgor

>>15320541
Hilarious that you think a passion project of yesteryear will have a comparable development path to soulless modern early access. have you not seen the last decade of the gaming industry? the MO is cash out on an unfinished project and leave it to rot.

>>15320532
This is /sfg/, you will literally find the most space obssessed people in the internet here, you will not be alone during OFT.

https://twitter.com/JerryPikePhoto/status/1642571559733690371
STEAMROLLER

>>15320532
>>15320559

>>15320559
>the most space obssessed people in the internet here
lol fuck space, I'm so tired of vacuum.

>>15320322
Kino

>>15320277
>muh vanity thread

>>15320561
>autonomous droneship
>can't autonomously swim itself to the harbor

>>15320562
This. Crying during the launch is for faggots. Cumming during the launch is what men do.

>>15320277
can we please stop putting humans in the OP?

>>15320562
>>15320571
During SN8 launch I yelled out my window and clapped my hands one single clap. It was a really powerful clap, stung but that was the only way

>>15320569
>>15320572
Samefag

>>15320572
This. We should put ponies in the OP.

>>15320570
No ship can. It's the law that they need a (local) pilot to guide the ship into harbor.

>>15320583
>>15320576
Samefag

>>15320534
For me, the lighting and atmosphere of KSP2 doesn't have the same emotional impact as KSP1. Everything about ksp2 is so bright, shiny and textured which is definitely more impressive, but the flatter lighting and dull textures of ksp1 gave it this unique liminal atmosphere. Like the first game made me genuinely feel like a lone explorer in a vast, existential universe.

>>15320577
I now remember the time Relativity posted ponies to their Twitter

>>15320591
Sorry, what?

>>15320577
never forget, Falcon 1 had better cost per kilogram than any small launcher today

>>15320583
Nice photoshop. Can I commission something?

>>15320589

>>15320600
Sure.

>>15320583
>that file name
KEK

>>15320615
Grand! I need a picture of a Starship executing the FAA administrator and underlings, "DRACARYS!" and King Elon giving the order

“Two more weeks” bros, its so over.

ONE MORE WEEK

i wanna fuck jessie i wanna fuck jessie i wanna fuck jessie i wanna fuck jessie i wanna fuck jessie

>>15320277

The Earth is flat with a dome.
God exists.

Aliens don't exist.
Space isn't real.
Gravity doesn't exist.
Never went to the moon.
Asteroids don't exist.
UFOs are a psyop.
Nukes don't exist.
Evolution is a lie.
Germ Theory is a lie.

The world is ruled by secret societies that worship Satan. Jews/Jesuits/Freemasons/Illuminati are Gnostics and Kabbalists. Masters at deception. One satanic philosophy is inverting reality.

They make you think you live on a spinning ball.
They make you think you're just an animal.
They make you think there's a deadly virus out there.

>>15320666
hey satan, april first was yesterday

>>15320666
Really makes me think

>>15320666
gtfo satan
>The rabbis of the Talmud believed that the world was flat, and that the sun revolved around the Earth every day. There is a debate about the length of the solar year in the Talmud, and its consequences and the rare Jewish ceremony of the Blessing of the Sun (Birkat Hahammah) are discussed. The view of the talmudic rabbis is contrasted with that of the contemporary Greek astronomers. While the rabbis of the Talmud argued about the size of the flat Earth, the Greeks had determined the Earth to be a sphere, had calculated its circumference and had moved on to consider other questions.
https://academic.oup.com/book/1751/chapter-abstract/141387578?redirectedFrom=fulltext

>>15320670
proofs:

https://youtu.be/CJqBiH2e5HM?t=3407

>>15320666

>>15320674
>the flat earthers are jews
It all makes sense now

>>15320675
Shalom rabbi

Can we please not be /pol/?

roggyt

>>15320678
What planet is this?

"not many" = two or less.

Two more weeks.

>>15320678
what is NSF? some new government agency?

>>15320709
No, the National Science Foundation has been around a while

>>15320666

>>15320709
It's Nic's Satured Fotos

>>15320693
For your information, all of 4Chan is /pol/

Tianlongbros... did we get too cocky?

>>15320666
>those trips
Get tha fuck off of here

>>15320709
Ill spoon feed you this one, its NASA Space Flight. You can find out what they do, but first lurk moar.

Nothing ever happens

>>15320721
did 2nd stage (3rd) fail again?

>>15320734
agree

>>15320316
unfortunately we barely went

>>15320734
Ever-happening!

>>15320736
I wouldn't be surprised. Upper stages are not having a good time lately, and a company getting a new rocket into orbit on the first try would be unheard of.

>>15320749
Seriously though whats with the streak of second stage failures this year? I expect a maiden launch like Terran 1 to have it but come on. Hopefully Starship breaks it.

there are no higher forces. If there's a streak of second stage failures it's by pure chance

IM GOING CRAZYYYYY UH OH LOOOOOPYYYY

>>15320760
Ofcourse, but still its fucking stupid how many or the space launch companies are failing on second stage.

NSF livestream going on right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en94WRSXSHA

>>15320777
Based, I love these guys

>>15320736
They've shown footage of the cubesat being deployed, so it definitely reached some high speed and high velocity. It may have underperformed tho

Foust said 3rd week of April as of March 22

Would you guys be happy if Blue Origin got over its difficulties and became a serious competitor to Starship at some point? Obviously Bezos is a seething faggot but it would be good to have actual competition for SpaceX to innovate even more.

>>15320790
Many others are saying April 10th on Twatter, but still this is probably more realistic.

>>15320795
Even Foust expects that to slip. I'd guess NET May at this point

>>15320792
Objectively yes, but the sfg meme answer is no

Does anyone know how many rockets NASA has launched total? I asked Bing but it only gave me current active robotic missions + total human launches, so it's not everything

>>15320792
They would barely even be BO at that point. Failure is a part of their identity.

>>15320792
Competition will come from one of the existing small launch companies, simply because BO is incapable of iterating, developing economic reuse

>>15320792
No, they goals are cancer to space exploration. I want Rocket Lab to fill this role instead.

>>15320792
I'll be happy with BO once BE-4 flies, contingent on no more stupid lawsuits

>>15320678
God what an ugly fucking image

>>15320804
Rogget Lab is also AIDS, have you seen their pathetic fucking CEO fighting on Twitter with Astra's? If you're gonna be a CEO and give the finger to your competitor, atleast be the dominant force in your industry to not look like a moron.

>>15320808
Looks like an Unreal Engine render, uncanny valley.

By Nicolas Riveau, exposed at Montargis 45208 France

>>15320812

Where is /sfg/ writing from btw? I wanna know if we have jeets or something on here or if it's mostly just us burgers.
Also NSF is referencing r*ddit for evidence kill me now.

>>15320792
We will be happy when BO does >anything<, the company is older than SpaceX and started with far more potential, this is why they are relentlessly bullied.

>>15320806
I’ll be happy with ULA for bottlenecking BE-4 lol

>>15320809
Rocket Lab is by far the best positioned launch startup. it isnt close

>>15320814

>>15320815
France

>>15320822

>>15320815

>>15320822
Oh wow nice
>>15320821
Maybe I just seethe at Rocket Lab then.

>>15320825

>>15320826
Are you that muzzie Eastern European from earlier?

>>15320792
I'd like it. Blue buying out ULA would take national security launch out of the hands of old space and hand it off to newspace and almost-newspace. New Glenn has enough capability to grow into a reasonable fully reusable rocket. If they could build a few more New Shepard boosters and get their proposed Arabian launch site online they could make suborbital tourism the best it's possible for it to be. There's potential in the company. They just need to stop being spread so thin and finish a few of the projects that they start.

>>15320821
Nigga they lost out of both oneweb and kuiper. You know, a new rocket that’s supposed to be a dedicated ‘constellation launcher’? It’s fucking over for them save for the cargo contract NASA will probably give them for CLD or something—and even this will just be a handout so NASA can say they are still “fostering an LEO economy”

>>15320834
Kuiper and Oneweb will fly on Neutron

Methalox master race

>>15320363
>ywn be a 1960s NASA astronaut living an absolute peak-boomer lifestyle (suburban ranch house, wife, kids, corvette in the garage, government pension, strong dollar, etc etc)

>>15320847
Never forget what they took from you

>>15320815
brazil

>>15320831
no

>>15320845
imagine the smelle

>>15320853
Oh a macaco, are you a Lula voter?
>>15320856
Ok well looks like /sfg/ is from all over. Brazilian, Bulgarian, a frenchie, and a burger

>>15320859

>>15320860
no, I'm one of the viados who voted for Felipe d'Avila and then voted null after

>>15320809
>Kemp acts like a little bitch and tries to diss Neutron with the wrong payload mass
>Beck corrects Kemp numbers, proving that Neutron is (theoretically) viable
Nothing wrong there.

Also, if you think that tweeter drama makes you a bad space CEO, you must think that Musk is the worst of them all.

>>15320869
For reference

>>15320868
Kek, you're alright.

>>15320872
Holy shit Kemp on suicide watch

>>15320839
>Steve Aoki

He's an industry plant. His dad is/was a record industry executive. I'll let you take a swing at what ethnicity he was.

why is bezos a cannibal?

>>15320799
>Does anyone know how many rockets NASA has launched total?

NASA has only launched 5 different rockets in its entire history.

-Saturn I
-Saturn V
-STS/Space Shuttle
-Ares I-X
-SLS

>>15320883
It makes him feel powerful

>>15320840

#BLM *RUDs*

>>15320883
NOOOO THAT FUCKING IGUANA WHY
FUCK BEZOS GOD DAMN ROIDED UP LUNATIC

SpaceX is already building another launch pad for Starship, source is today's NSF livestream.

>>15320898
where

>>15320896
shut up

>>15320900
About -8:00 minutes from when I write this, they said that the second Starship launch site is being built at Pad 39A

>>15320901
KYS Bezos tranny

>>15320907
no

>>15320905
That's not news then

>>15320912
Well fuck you too pal

L2 news?

>>15320847
60s astronauts weren't boomers, they were born in the 20s & 30s. Boomers flew the shittle

>>15320918
dont expect a zoomer to know anything. they grew up on discord and tiktok

>>15320918
God the shuttle was such a fucking waste. I get we got some experience that was needed to lead to where we are but Jesus Christ.

Why are Russians so dumb?

https://www.rt.com/russia/496542-russians-no-moon-landing-apollo/

>>15320924
That's a cope, NOTHING good came of the shuttle. Nothing. It was purely a waste.

I cant stop thinking about it

>>15320933
we got Falcon 9

>>15320934
None of us can, Starship is just too good to forget.

>>15320932
Because the Federation doesn't care about Roscosmos and as such they dont mention it anymore. Since they don't none of the propaganda from the Soviet era has been dispelled and they have an aging population, so you end up with those statistics. 2-6% is about what we have here in the US also, Qtards make a surprising portion of the population as well as retarded MIGA boomers who refuse to acknowledge that space exists because it just outright denies their religious beliefs and what they've been taught.

>>15320952
i.e. firmament tards or >>15320666

>>15320932
>>15320952
There hasn't been anything cool in space since the Moon landings. So much time has passed since then, that it's turning into a fucking myth. If it wasn't for SpaceX, that alone would have been the single most blackpilling shit ever.

>>15320969
Imagine if we didnt have SpaceX and the best we had for commercial space was fucking Blue Origin

Jeez I found this from when crew 6 was delayed

https://www.rt.com/news/572143-spacex-dragon9-launch-halt/

They are so delusional

>>15320840
Amazon said Falcon 9 is borderline too small for Kuiper, so forget Neutron. OneWeb still could, though they've already signed on for Hard R.

>>15320974
Absolute niggers, I dont give a shit about the Ukro war but jesus how can you be so fucking stupid.

>>15320975
>Amazon said Falcon 9 is borderline too small for Kuiper
keking out loud

>>15320952
When the spinning ball-Earth is finally exposed worldwide for the 432 year deception it was, Earth's entire population will suddenly be faced with the reality that every government, every space agency, university, secret society, religious organization, mainstream and alternative media outlet have ALL been duplicitous in propping up a monstrous manipulation to fleece and control the masses. The resulting mass mental exodus away from the control system is exactly what humanity needs. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these lying politicians, spokesmen, reporters and teachers suddenly change from being heralded voices of authority to being ridiculed, shunned and denounced as they deserve. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these governments, universities, media outlets and other entangled organizations which have long been hard at work weaving this multi-generational ball-Earth myth, suddenly and completely lose all credibility. Once the truth of our flat Earth gets out, so does the truth of these few elite families/societies who have kept this most important and fundamental reality from us for these hundreds of years! Essentially, once the flat Earth truth gets out, so does every other important truth by proxy, because this "mother-of-all-conspiracies" holds under its umbrella literally ALL of the other conspiracies, and exposes them.

>>15320979
Take your AI copy paste spam somewhere else

>>15320918
You are now aware no boomer will ever set foot on the Moon.

>>15320979
>>>/x/
We've seen you guys before, we'll see you again. You can argue about this in your containment general. (If it still exists)

>>15320974
This is good. Self delusion like this keeps them down. Like gravity

>>15320979
What a bunch of fruity skirt-wearing dorks. Faggiest goddamned thing I've ever seen.

>>15320975
Amazon is coping hard if they actually said that haha

>>15320815
Québec

>>15320991
Literally every MIGA/Qtard ever. Go visit /pol/ or /x/ and you see like 3 posts about this shit every minute

>>15320974
From when new Shepard had a mishap

https://www.rt.com/news/562666-blue-origin-rocket-failure/

>>15320996
>frog poster
Lol. Lmao.

>>15320978
>>15320992
https://spacenews.com/as-clock-ticks-on-amazons-constellation-buying-starship-launches-not-out-of-the-question/
>Amazon Kuiper is positioning to compete with SpaceX’s Starlink broadband constellation but it would not rule out seeking launch services from its competitor given the tight deadline, Limp said. “We are open to talking to SpaceX. You’d be crazy not to, given their track record.”
>“I would say Falcon 9 is probably at the low end of the capacity that we need,” Limp said. Perhaps a better option would be Falcon Heavy or the much larger Starship, which is still in development. As Starship transitions to production readiness, “that becomes a very viable candidate for us as well.”

>>15320995
I was talking about the masonfags in the webm
bunch of pretentious pricks

>>15320918
>>15320921
humorless, pedantic, nerds can't into "peak-boomer lifestyle"

>>15321003
cope

>>15320996
>https://www.rt.com/russia/568782-soyuz-coolant-leak-iss/
goddamn these people are an advanced form of retard

>>15320812
>la meme

>>15320977
Some poeple are just born different.

>>15320907
>>15320896
>>15320883
Keep Seething

>>15320596
Oh man that old school Dreamweaver vibe

Everyone designed websites the same way

>>15321015

>>15320815
You will find poojeets more on places like /biz/ or whatever the AI general is right now. shilling their latest scam. They are too obsessed with money to care about space industrialization as there is no short term money in it

OK what is the craziest mission to do with cheap and regular 100 ton lift once starship is operational?

IMO NASA needs to start working on a self sustaining space habitat. spaceborne biospher experiment with spin gravity.

>>15320815
Hawaii anon here, really exited for OFT

>>15321056
>spaceborne biosphere experiment with spin gravity.
No. We cannot allow spincels an inch or next thing you know L5 is full of tubes and the Faustian spirit will be lost forever

>>15321056
Chemical rockets to anywhere

>>15320983
Good, fuck em. The real ones are part of the greatest generation/silent generation, and they’re all dead or skin and bones now

>>15321071
I am a historylet. Were a bunch of the korean war soldiers also WW2 vets or was that pretty much a fresh batch of kids? Also I assume vietnam were the boomers?

>>15321056
You fags can't fathom anything more than sending naked chimps to fuck around in space, don't you?

>>15320860
I'm a Brazilian living in Eastern Europe.

>>15320721
Still nothing about tracks.

>>15321056
Sending orbiters to Outer Solar System planets without having to wait a decade for them to arrive.
And either big monolithic space telescopes or giant ones assembled in orbit.
Also, the Leviathan.

>>15321076
WW2 vets and silent gen who were too young to serve in WW2

Vietnam was boomers, the Gulf war was Gen X and Iraq/Afghanistan was millennials

>>15321076
Korea was a mix of WWII guys and men too young for that conflict

>>15321085
>Leviathan
unngh

>>15321079
If you want to do long space missions, it helps a lot to be able to make food in space.
If SpaceX can handle Mars then NASA should focus on pushing the science elsewhere and outer system science missions.

>>15321099

>>15321096
>>15321097
Thanks. My fuck, what a good run those generations had. From WW1 to Korea there were men from every side of the conflict who unironically answered to call of duty. Most of the apollo astronauts felt guilty about not flying missions in korea when their training started

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1642617555352453121

https://twitter.com/isro/status/1642392184333946882

>>15321104
Why did they call it Tranche anyway? It just means slice and it sounds super akward in English

>>15321121
the complete constellation/system is "cut" into multiple contracts? tranche 0 is the test articles, later tranches are then partly the actual constellation

>>15321121
it comes up a lot in contracting, although usually with money being paid in tranches

EARTHER (derogatory)

>>15321104
Finally looks like Elon is paying attention to us now that the Starship launch is dead ahead.

>>15321121
It's more common in the Commonwealth, but it's a standard word. The more common American equivalents would be "Block" or "Mark", like SLS Block 1B or F-16 Block 70.

>>15321133
Sóyentists vs scientists, whats the difference /sfg/?

>>15321141
A good scientist knows everything is subjective and that “science” doesn’t seek to answer questions, but more specifically, just gather data to inform a hypothesis. Fags who claim to know the answer definitively get the airlock

>>15321148
Get the airlock, kek.

>>15321056
Use it (and the direct trajectory mission profiles it opens up) to ensure that there will be at least one active robotic mission around each planet. The rate-limiting factor on planetary science should be personnel/methods to build the probes and analyze the incoming seas of data, not mission slots. Dispatch additional missions on a regular basis so that only a few years pass between a project proposal getting funded and it getting sent on its way.

Oh fuck thats right tomorrow is Artemis 2 crew reveal… whos ready to see what black transbian theyre planning to have go up?

Can someone lay out what the SDA, FAA, and Space Force do in broad terms?

>>15321167
The Federal Aviation Administration is the regulatory body for aviation and space operations. They also provide supporting services/infrastructure like air traffic control.
The Space Development Agency is the US Defense Department's attempt at a better/faster/cheaper development and procurement component for space.
Space Force serves as the dedicated branch that provides and operates space assets for DOD combatant commands.

>>15321182
Ok so FAA is the regulatory body, the SDA is the civilian space branch, SF is the military space branch. Not sure if I got SDA right.

>>15320792
Yes, but by actually accomplishing stuff and not trying to hamstring spacex

>>15321187
SDA is a civilian component of the Defense Department. It directly reports to the Space Force and has a .mil address (https://www.sda.mil) but its employees are a mixture of civilians and uniformed personnel. SDA is currently working on a single specific system concept, the PWSA, and doesn't seem to have any wider responsibilities.
Besides them, NASA has their own satellites, NOAA has their own satellites, the NRO has its own, and so on.

>>15320840
Sure

>>15320872
I can't believe Kemp has the gall to show his face in public

>>15321187
>>15321208
NOAA, for example, both owns its own satellites and operates satellites on behalf of other agencies. There's a decent amount of overlap and cooperation in agency space operations. NOAA's DSCOVR satellite, which primarily observes solar wind from L1, originated as/complements a NASA satellite and had its launch paid for by the US Air Force, for example.

>>15321229
If he doesn't show his face in public how is supposed to instill a feeling of creeping wrongness in people?

>>15320721
https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1642657761392558080
>OK, success of the Tianlong 2 launch now confirmed. Space Force has cataloged 2 objects in 478 x 496 km x 9 7.4 deg, 1508 LTDN sun-sync orbit. Congrats to the Space Pioneer team.
nope

>>15321229
>>15321242
What are the Rocket4 specs again?

>>15321242
He looks totally different in this picture than in any of his public appearances

>>15321257
Who cares? Every single one of them will RUD or they go bankrupt before they can launch it

>>15321257
600kg "target payload capacity" lmao

>>15321262
Good god that is just pathetic. Who is giving Astra money???

>TFW no coddling tradcath gf who’s obsessed with spaceflight
Why even fucking live

>>15321262
THATS NOT EVEN A SINGLE TON???

>>15321269
>trad
>obsessed w/ spaceflight
Pick one you cant have both

>>15321161
Kind of excited actually

>>15321262
If they actually hit 600kg capacity their rocket doesn't need to be that cheap to compete pound-for-pound with Transporter missions ($6.5k/kg)

>>15321258
>even at a distance I am too close
>I am attempting to become closer

>>15321274
There are 100% traditional men and women who come from farms and are the first to go to college in their families and end up in the aerospace sector. They are unicorns though

>>15321283
Yeah, most think space is fake

“Upcoming Human Spaceflight Missions!

•Ax-2, F9/Dragon, May 2, 05:00 UTC
•Shenzhou 16, LM 2F/G, NET May 25
•Starliner CFT, Atlas V N22, NET July 21
•Polaris Dawn, F9/Dragon, NET July
•Crew-7, F9/Dragon, NET August
•Soyuz MS-24, Soyuz 2.1a, NET September 15

: SpaceX” -Primal Space

“Polaris Dawn will be a human spaceflight to orbit Earth with only private citizens on board. The crew will consist of Jared Isaacman, Scott Poteet, Sarah Gillis, and Anna Menon, who will spend up to five days in orbit. Mission plans include reaching an orbit higher than any previous Dragon mission and ultimately the highest Earth orbit ever flown by a crewed spacecraft with an initial apogee of 1,400 km,[2] breaking the record set by Gemini 11.[6] The crew will conduct 38 science and research experiments to study the effects of spaceflight and space radiation on human health.[7] The crew will also attempt the first commercial extravehicular activity (EVA) with SpaceX-designed EVA spacesuits.[8] The mission will also be the first test of Starlink's communications laser for communication with another spacecraft, potentially improving connection with the spacecraft.[9]”

Well thats on my radar now, SpaceX designed EVA suits huh? Seems like it will be pretty kino.

>>15321299
Are the suits ready?
But to be honest, my highest interest is on the laser communication. I wish they can scale it up at least to the Moon.

what were the dates on the starship area exclusion again? april 6th to 18th?

>>15320792
I have a better chance of building an anime harem in a realistic timeline than of Blue Origin making it to orbit before 2025.

stack tomorrow

>>15321331
Proof?

>>15321331

>>15321305
2 weeks

>>15321338
and, two more weeks.

>>15321334
road closure tomorrow

>>15321341
Again, >>15321336
TWO. MORE. WEEKS.

Two more weeks bros are eating good in this general holy shit.

>>15321346
>eating good
Not yet, they ordered food but it will arrive in two weeks

>>15321255
nice

>>15321021
I emailed the web developer, he made a bunch of flash animations for that "Fapcon Explorer" infogame thing

>>15321267
I don't know who's giving them money, but I know who's giving them engines, and they kneecapped Astra to keep it at 2 max. Pretty based.

fortnite

>>15321360
Next OP needs to be Fuck Astra edition

>>15321277
It will break new ground!

>>15321161
I hope David Saint-Jacques gets in, guy's a chad and it would make leafs seethe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Saint-Jacques

>>15321365
>Break new ground
It won't even be touching the ground, and we've already been to the moon. This is literally only for diversity niggers like YOU to feel good about yourselves.

I wanna die

>>15321382
I'm assuming you're an Astra employee?

>>15321380

>>15321109
Actually looks quite gud, then again its just a small drop test, not exactly orbital test

>>15321161
>black transbian
There's only a black guy, a lesbian and a few women in the candidate pool

>>15321394
I officially want artemis 2 to RUD.

>>15321389
SLS! It took 12 years to stack!

>>15321377
>FRCGS
literal canadian frog lmao

>>15321397
Joking, but still holy shit NASA is such a joke

>>15321397
I meant those are the only bad options, most of the candidates are white men

>>15321401
Ah I see, then let's see who wins it tomorrow.

>>15321161
if a trans person actually makes it past psych eval, it's over for the US

Bros I hate to say it, but I feel like we already got Great Filter'd...not by fault of humanity, but we simply don't have the materials.

>>15321412
>>15321413
How can it be over when it never began?

>>15321413
Whats missing? We're at the cusp of interstellar civilization right now.

>>15321418
Care to explain?

>>15321418
>onion half-stages
what the fuuuuuuu

>>15321419
>Interstellar
Shut the fuck up

>>15321426
Fuck off malfeasant. E*RTHERS need to be gassed, I swear!

>>15321426
At the timespan of humanity, we are

>image is from 2016
oh no no no

>>15321427
ITS INTERPLANETARY CIVILIZATION YOU STUPID NIGGER.
>>15321428
500 YEARS IS NOT THE CUSP

>>15321430
>INTERPLANETARY
Fags like you need to be gassed. The low browers should stay out of the sun.

>>15321429
It's no longer a race.

>>15321421
The rocket is all upper stages. You launch it from a balloon.

>>15321412
What if they loose their mind in space and fuck up? That would set them back so much

sucks that these fuckers won't work

>>15321434
What about hydrolox first stage, balloon upper stage?

>>15321434
I've done this at Laythe in KSP

>>15321436
>transtronaut kills the other crew and broadcasts xir unhinged trannyfesto from space
looking forward to this tbph

>>15321413
I’ll be honest, I don’t think any issue that is currently recognisable is the great filter if it exists, all is way too specific. Be it ressources limitation, human society organisation, global warming, AI takeover, asteroid, some gamma ray or other interstellar or bullshit. All would need too specific conditions at every level biological, geological, historic, society, astronautical... to be a generalised great filter applicable to different intelligent life forms in different world

If it exists we don’t know about it yet

>>15321413
Unironically I think this has a high chance of being true. Terraforming, manned interstellar travel, Dyson sphere/swarm, they all can't be done due to how absurdly costly they are in energy and material resources.

>>15321441
I hope they broadcast the entire ride around the moon if they throw a tranny in.

>>15321448
>global warming
Fuck off.

>>15321433
there is still the second place waiting

>>15321449
I know, imagine the costs of launching a Dyson Sphere from Earth.

>>15321449
My friend, we are about to hit the 1492 of our time. It may seem too expensive now, but whoever gets a stranglehold on space first will become unfathomably rich just like the Spanish did. Dyson swarms are not impossible.

>>15321454
The most shared ideia is of turning Mercury into one, still bullshit though
I wonder if it would be feasible with a smaller star like a red dwarf

>>15321452
BO and ULA are fucked, my prediction of who takes that spot is Relativity until BO actually gets their shit together. Even then, Relativity may have had enough time to just pull away from BO.

>>15320590
Holy based. This is why games like Doom, System Shock, Minecraft etc. are timeless kino

>>15321458
But that means the spinhabbers win. Human extinction is preferably to that.

>>15321458
Unless we discover new physics that allows us to do crazy cheap and fast travel or we find some miracle material that can only be found in space and is worth the price (He3 meme lmao), nothing will happen. There is no money to be made in space.

>>15321467
>There is no money to be made in space.
There's more to life than profit

>>15321468
That's not how the real world works my fellow anon. Don't be fooled by pretty discourses, most great things that have been done were done by the sake of power and personal gain.

>>15321448
AI is our best shot at solving longstanding problems by total bruteforce automation of intelligence, if we can realize its full potential.

>>15321472
>real world
Ha he said the thing

>>15321472
EVERYTHING. Everything is done for power and personal gain, ESPECIALLY by governments which is all that there has been in space travel until now. There is money in space, big fucking money, it's just waiting to be discovered. Do you know what it would be like to have a stranglehold on the entire world's precious metal market?

>>15321468
I agree with this sentiment, but it's myopic. Profit vis-a-vis spaceflight is a means to an end. Long-term exploration and development of space is the goal, and the best way to achieve that is to make it profitable. Else you get a situation like the post-Apollo era where eventually the politicians and voters decide it's not worth continuing to spend money on something with no obvious tangible profits.

>>15321473
>>15321451
I was just listing popular ideas for a great filter. I don’t believe either is one.

>>15321476
What is the point of knowing there is one gorilion dollars worth of gold in space if it would take two gorilion dollars to bring it down?

so when is the first new glenn launch and landing

“is space profitable” is such a good fucking talking point that has been neglected by /sfg/

>>15321487
It makes the "muh colonization" fags angry when you point out any road block for their dreams

>>15321483
> moving 100 tons of iridium to Earth is inherently prohibitively expensive

>>15321487
newfag

>>15321468
/sfg/ is Space Flight General not Star trek Fan Group.

>>15321487
spacex is not profitable

>>15321490
also the answer is no

>>15321483
Step 1: Set up Mars base
Step 2: Set up Ceres/Asteroid belt base going from Mars base
Step 3: Mass produce cheap mining bots (easily possible)
Step 4: Mass produce ion thrusters for cheap
Step 5: Pull the shit tons of xenon and krypton in Mars's atmosphere out for use by ion thrusters.
Step 6: Send thrusters off to Ceres base
Step 7: Attach ion thrusters to good asteroids to mine and send them towards asteroid colony to be caught
Step 8: Mine the asteroids wanted and remove the ion thrusters for later reuse.
Step 9: Send the entire mass of mined payload off to whatever planet you plan to sell on
Step 10: Profit.

Keep in mind that the launch costs are FAR less due to the gravity of these bodies.

>>15321487
This is easy
Is your business case about transporting something that has a mass?
If yes, it’s not profitable
If no, then it could be profitable

>>15321492
You are not my nigger

Did aquatic life receive a return from those lungfish fucks or their deadbeat descendants?

>>15321496
Kek your first three steps are each very optimistic. It requires an entire self-sufficient Mars colony first… which is already a stretch right now

>>15321496
Repeat steps 7-9 ad infinitum, just have the ion thrusters that send it to the planet sent back to asteroid belt.

>>15321496
>Mass produce cheap mining bots
>Mass produce ion thrusters
Any plan where a wizard has to show up multiple times to magic into existence the vast amounts of industrial infrastructure needed to mass produce high-end technical products is not a good plan.

>>15321502
>>15321506
Two good points from the ‘not profitable’ crew

>>15321506
Alternative to mining bots, send Venezuelans to the asteroid belt and have them work for RS gold.

>>15321476
When you increase supply without increasing demand, you better hope your name is De Beers.

We need to move beyond the tyranny of having to carry reaction mass with us.

We need the plasma sail, with the plasma sail we can move big things around the solar system whithout having to use an even bigger amount of fuel.

>>15321516
>plasma sail
/sfg/ - schizo fantasy grift

>>15321534
Frog posting too

>>15321476
>have a stranglehold on the entire world's precious metal market?
Except you wouldn't, because the mines on Earth would still be there, and their costs of production/transport would be less than yours.
And even if you could convince someone to fund you while you tried to dump and drive everyone else out of business, governments (and really anyone with a brain and a full wallet) would just subsidize their producers, while buying up your dumped production on the cheap (which is how that strategy is historically countered). Your gambit ends with you either bankrupt or with whatever market share your process naturally allows. Certainly not a 'stranglehold'.

it took falcon almost 10 years to become a steamroller

>>15321516
>We need to move beyond the tyranny of having to carry reaction mass with us.
This is a nice sentiment, but do you have any better suggestions that Newtonian thrusters?

>We need the plasma sail
I see that you do not

>>15321560
spin launch

>>15321566
Could you spinsects fuck off FOR ONE THREAD???

>>15321554
yes hello I would like to order 10 tons of osmium

What ISP does a cannon have? like technically isn't your reaction mass the entire planet you are firing from? surely that means a miniscule exhaust velocity...

>>15321585
like from what i understand it must have something to do with the expanding gas you use, hence why they use light gas guns to acheive extreme muzzle velocity.
However, how would it work with rail guns?

>>15321360
>I don't know who's giving them money
Nobody except retard stock gamblers. That's why their whole company is worth only 115M$ and why they can't raise money by issuing more stock. Taking a loan will most likely also be unfeasible due to the risk involved.

Unless they can find an investor that is ready to inject a huge amount of cash (good luck with that after Virgin Orbit's bankruptcy), they will go bankrupt before the end of the year.

>>15321598
light gas works because it combusts better and has way more energy density..

>>15321581
And in the scenario where there are few terrestrial producers, the market will either bring competition into existence, or develop so as to minimize the number of applications dependent upon the outcome of a single producer. Someone price-gouging or withholding production is similar to the product simply not being available, and few base their operations on unobtainable objects.

>>15321613
Also light molecules move faster at a given temperature.

>>15321578
No, let him spin. It's not a great idea, but as long as their streams are set up better than Virgin Orbit's they'll be fun to watch.

>>15321616
thats not relevant in a cannon situation

>>15321487
>is space profitable
The problem with this question is that anons immediately jump to sci-fi level ideas. It's more accurately "how profitable is space." The space economy has been growing at something like 10% per year since 2010, and will accelerate massively if/when Starship starts flying regularly at full reusability.

I would put it in 3 phases:
>1. satellite phase: 1962-2040
Purpose is to use satellites for communications and navigation on Earth, mainly provided by existing telecom companies.
>2. station/base phase: 2040-2100
Commercial stations in LEO used for research, tourists, and production. Limited applications, since in most cases it will be cheaper to do things on Earth, but it will be a notable sector on par with tech or energy.
>3. mining/colonization phase: 2100-future
Point at which companies and countries find building stuff in space desirable enough to justify creating the infrastructure in space to build more stuff in space, rather than just launching from Earth.

People here focus on (3) because it's the most fun to fantasize about, but (2) and even (1) can still be hugely profitable in their own right.

>>15321630
If the question is posed as "is space profitable" you instinctively omit the areas of space that are already profitable because otherwise the question doesn't really make sense.

>>15321604
Rolling for end of Q3

Chinese are mongolian rape babies, if we send chinese up to the Moon or Mars, will they be terran rape babies?

>>15320277
Hey she lost weight

>>15321630
>research, tourists
Kinda, basic science research has no direct application, thus it may not really be profitable in the end. Tourism will probably happen.
>and production
no

>>15320277
MANNED INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL IN OUR DAYS

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=89sIgs3l_UU

>>15321637
That supposes that the person posing the question is on the same page as you, which is a bad habit to get into on the internet. If the issue you want to focus on is "is space colonization profitable" then ask it like that; the burden is on the person bringing up the issue to make their desired parameters known.

In any case, my central point is that the futurist sci-fi stuff won't happen until there's been decades of development in more mundane areas of the space economy. Those developments will make future progress cheaper (as launch, propulsion techniques, etc. are refined) and more lucrative (as they provide a larger market for resources and services).

>>15321653
>manned
No.

>>15320377
As a teen i fantasized about a cloud colony in the atmosphere of Jupiter, so
>>15320373
>>15320380
go fuck yourself wonderless faggot lmao

>>15321650
>production
Anything that requires a vacuum to produce (i.e. microchips) or benefits from microgravity (i.e. anything involving crystals) has some potential. Though it will certainly be niche and relegated to a select few industries.

>>15321663
I like to fantasize, but this is a thread I prefer to discuss realistic outcomes.
I love >>15320370 picrel and it hurts me profoundly how it will never happen.

>>15321670
I guess it could be worth it for very specialized applications, but I don't see it happening for house electronics for the next century.

>>15320815
A nigger rape house

>>15321461
>Relativity may have had enough time to just pull away from BO
It would be extremely embarrassing for BO to lose to a former intern of theirs

>>15321711
But you know its possible and thats the best part

>>15321715
Gradatim, brother

>>15321653
As much as I want it, that's not gonna happen.

When the fuck did they stack it??

>>15321745
Maybe Fabian is posting an old image, idk.

>>15321099
>Control Sphere
Vaguely threatening

>>15321745
Seems like it's an old image, fake and gay

>>15321429

>>15320596
according to wikipedia the project cost 90m, they had 5 launches, and the cost per launch was 7m

The math does not add up

>>15321770
Ummmm based??

>Kids watch a Falcon 9 launch and chant "USA, USA, USA..."
https://twitter.com/Shamara94785766/status/1639488399642968064
I'm literally in tears.

>>15321785
What are you a faggot? HRT really must've done a number on you huh.

>>15321785
the world is healing

>>15321294
>the fedora fell for the gnostic maymay

>>15321785
this is evil racist terrorism to leftists

>>15321833
Seems like you're lost, so take this link and go back to where you came from >>>/pol/.

>>15321448
>global warming

>>15321656
>In any case, my central point is that the futurist sci-fi stuff won't happen until there's been decades of development in more mundane areas of the space economy.
true, got to follow those tech trees

>>15321837
I'm taking this.

>>15321839
>Blue Origin is required.
Stopped reading there.

https://twitter.com/AshleyKillip/status/1642338045981790208

>>15321835
lmao seethe tranny