/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15319960
>Can you tell I'm a welfare-recipient living off your hard work?

>>15319962
>implying sitting in a comfy chair qualifies as hard work

>>15319960
>clothing is all mostly machine made
Wrong, bucko.

this is what men looked like back when working meant outputting legitimate effort
>i'm a pencil neck geek with a sissy desk job
>why don't women like me?
>its not fair reeeeeeee

>>15319960
>Why do so many people hate life as we know it?

Wealth is relative.
A 'poor' American is better off than am 'rich' African living a traditional tribal life, BUT they FEEL worse.

Millions of young women are NOT getting married and having kids because they "feel" that that would impoverish them, deny them many sexual partners and many years of partying, and limit their 'freedom'.

>>15319972
>implying it isnt

>>15320297
Stop pretending to be me!

>>15320304
Cant fake crazy. You can try...but you will fail.

>>15319960
if you ask the average man today what he wants from his life, he'd likely say something like "a quiet life, a stable home and professional life, a family, meaningful work, free time, community."
if you asked the average man 20 years ago the same question, he would likely give a similar answer. and 20 years before that, and so on.

if we stagnate now, assuming our economy is even sustainable at all, then we haven't reached real utopia. there's lots of work to be done
not even counting the fact that half the world still lives in destitute poverty and our western standard of living relies on the arduous work of people overseas

>>15320332
>half the world still lives in destitute poverty
Nah. Its far better off than you would ever imagine. The era of emaciated Africans was 30 years ago. Now most of Africa has modern markets, basic cell service and WhatsApp. Even Afghanistan in up to date on much thanks to "world involvement".

The while world is changing into modernity, with changed family structure; fewer kids, later marriage, longer "dating stage". Its global mang...

>>15320297
>posts picture of male astrology patterns to illustrate hard work
The named schizos are always the top pseuds. It's like a law of nature.

>>15319960
OP writes clickbait on the low level of Sam Harris in hell where he belongs for murdering brain cells with ivory tower ''intellectualism'', but i'll entertain you a little:

how is it possible that most humans after thousands of years are still insecure about getting their basic needs met, like barely being able to rent a box to live in, barely being able to buy some nutrient depleted plants and contaminated animals? Or how about the way children are still being raised in all sort of dysfunctional ways? And many more such questions that are outside the scope of delusional optimistic public ''intellectuals'' with their ''statistics'' (lies). It's all by design to keep us insecure but just comfortable enough to not murder those who are doing this to us.

>>15320372
you'll never be happy or satisfied with life because of your mentally ill level of perceived entitlement.

>>15320384
>Not answering my question
>NPC who will drive a ufo to mine asteroids in the future to get a small ration
>muh progress
>calls me entitled for not asking to be born in slavery
Just die already blue pilled cunt.

>>15320371
You studied Statistical Analysis too? Sweet, love me some biology based numerical analysis.

>You can always spit the Psued...the ones that Talk Tall but post nothing but feelings and words-words-words...

>>15320398
>words-words-words...
>biology based numerical analysis.
So close to self-aware. Astounding. I wonder who will win the race to agi, gpt-4 or you.

>>15320402
>biology based
The markets flow by the "invisible hand" which means the collective consciousness of people.
>numerical analysis
The calculation of society using Numerals as metrics...instead of...you know..."your feelings and EGO".

No...you are the NPC with no brain, SON.

>>15320402
>gpt-4 or you.
Ive already cracked AIs and know their limitations regradless of programming complexity.
>Study Computer Architecture amd Binary/Hexidecimal Limitations in Mathematics

RAAAAA!!!

>>15320418
>ignores subtext
>expands on words
>No...you are the NPC with no brain, SON
Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.
>Ive already cracked AIs and know their limitations regradless of programming complexity.
He can't stop pseuding. Like I keep saying. Law of nature or something.

>>15320427
>ignores subtext
>Doesnt expound post to a higher level of intelligence.
Nah, thats your job, buck-o.

>He can't stop pseuding.
Prove it. Post where I am wrong, not simply say "I win."

PROVE IT OR DIE A PSUED.

>Codes inside of codes inside of codes unending but having completion...but where?

EVEN THEIR CREATORS SAY THEY "DO NOT KNOW WHATS GOING ON INSIDE."

I DO.

>>15320436
>makes retarded claim
>obvious call out
>prove my claim is retarded
You made the claim, homie.
>Ive already cracked

>>15320332
>half the world still lives in destitute poverty
>i am the savior of the precious 3rd worlders
protip: africans all think you're retarded, they are not suffering, they simply choose to live an african lifestyle rather than mimicking you.
why should anyone want to mimic your lifestyle? you're miserable and constantly complaining.
here are some clips from ugandan television which might explain it all to you better than i can
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q4O5ztz92o

>>15320489
>>Ive already cracked
Yes....READ BACK THE INFORMATION IN THESE PICTURES.

PROVE YOU ARE NOT RETARDED.

WHAT IS THIS.

WHAT IS THIS AI DOING?

>>15320489
BUILDING NEW LANGUAGES*

LOOK MF! USE EYES AND BRAIN.

THINK.

WHAT DOES THIS IMPLY?

>>15320497
Screeching in capslock on an internet forum board.

>>15320503
REKT.

WALK BOY.

YOU WILL NEVER BE MY EQUAL, SON.

>>15320506
We're experiencing different realities. I am glad we're both having fun tho.

>>15320510
>We're experiencing different realities
Correct, mortal.

Never forget this.

>>15320514
>immortal
>schizo posting pseud shit on /sci/
based retard

>>15320519
Does it sound normal for someone to be versed in literally dozens of fields of study? Not just versed...but often beyond cutting edge? Not only that, but be fit and a combat vet? And to have traveled the four corners of the world?


No. Nothing about me is normal...but for another to hold "normalcy" to me as a measure...THAT is truly midwit. Only an idiot expects genius to speak like them...because if Genius did then IT WOULD BE AN IDIOT TOO.

>Eternal Empires require Eternal Kings.

Bad Boy!

https://youtu.be/o4CMSzIwB44

>>15320539
>genius is when impossible to communicate with
10-4
Imagine a more useless entity than a hardened and fit combat vet who is not just versed but often has knowledge beyond the cutting edge of dozens of fields of study who chooses to sit on /sci/ all day seeking validation
Pro-tip, you can't.

>>15319960
>We live in the most technologically advanced age in all of human history,
Faggot.

It cuz it all we do. Fucking transistors, shove them up your ass.

>>15320582
>genius is when impossible to communicate with
Only with the Prideful.

...your Ego has corrupted your soul. You will never know Eternal Life.

>>15319960
Extrapolate the path we are currently on and tell me what you see as the terminal point. You are asking other people to do your thinking for you because you have grown up in a machine society where people are treated as disposable cogs.

There is nothing magical about why people feel how they feel about the techno-industrial machine that is destroying the biosphere.

>>15320610
>your Ego has corrupted your soul.
>YOU WILL NEVER BE MY EQUAL, SON.
>Only with the Prideful.
>versed in literally dozens of fields of study
>Only with the Prideful.
>beyond cutting edge
>Only with the Prideful.
>fit and a combat vet
>Only with the Prideful.
>traveled
>Only with the Prideful.
>Nothing about me is normal
>Only with the Prideful.
> for another to hold "normalcy" to me as a measure...THAT is truly midwit
>Only with the Prideful.
>Eternal Kings.
>Only with the Prideful.
>Only with the
>Only with
>Only
Consistency is for mortals I take it.

>>15320612
>oh no the world is coming to an end!!
>i am the savior of precious mother earth
you're miserable because you have power fantasies which you know will never come true. self inflicted emotional problems

>>15320616
>YOU WILL NEVER BE MY EQUAL, SON.
You view my words as if from YOUR mouth.

You are CORRUPTED by EGO, my SON.

>>15320638
>I am not responsible for my words
wew lad

>>15320638
>You view my words as if from YOUR mouth.
This means you measure other to yourself and the measuring rod...but you are Pride...thus you see Pride where FACTS were stated.

Corrupted, my SON.

>>15320649
>wew lad
Reddit phrase, a liar's den...they bend Truth to feelings.

GO BACK.

>>15320618
Reflect and ponder why what I said made you so angry and defensive.

People are lonelier than they have ever been. The normie is now a loner once they leave college and they no longer have a community or large family to fall back on. Add to this the downward spiraling average health of people and their attempts to escape their loneliness by becoming terminally online, and it's no wonder mental illness rates are skyrocketing. The average person is poor now. They might own more material things than people used to decades or centuries ago, but they are poor in the things that matter in life.

>>15320651
>to yourself AS* the measuring rod

Only the most Prideful of people do this, acting as Judge of Humanity, without admitting it to themselves, with zero humility to consider the other speaks True....for to humself HE IS TRUTH...BUT ONLY LIES COMES OUT.

BEGONE, Charlatan...

>>15320655
>reddit phrase
>being this new

>>15319960
material wealth is important but there are other factors that oppose some sort of utopia. Some of them:
>mating involves plenty of relative valueation on the part of the woman and breeding is a bottleneck in terms of fertile wombs
>social habits are set up around pleiscocene tribes not multi million person nations
>capatalist trading is a zero sum game unless money supply is inflated constantly
>any technology that can also be used for greater good can also be used against it
Good news is some of this may be fixable, with yet more development. Bad news is these are big problems and there are plenty more besides

>>15320692
>being this new
I was here before you, newfag.

GO BACK.

The people that complain the most about technology are usually useless NEET parasites on sites like these. They've NEVER had to do really bad shitty labor. And no your job at Mc Donalds that one summer doesn't count, its still an easy and undemanding job thanks to technology

In truth the average person has never had so many opportunities as in 2023. You have no idea how many things I've learned during the pandemic years just because I sat at home working and learning when things were smooth at work. Nobody, literally not a single generation before me ever had such a luxury

So yeah, fuck the tranny kaczynski he can shove his retarded manifesto up his ass right along with his dumb ass followers who would rather watch retarded japanese shit all day than learn something useful

>>15320694
>capatalist trading is a zero sum game unless money supply is inflated constantly
lol
First off;
>capatalist
You mean FIAT?
Secondly;
Capitalism is the definition of trading goods and services for money. All of your research in "capitalism" has been corrupted by Political "Scientists", not Finance, which is basically just Statistics and Mathematics.

Hrmph...

>>15320705
Of course you are smarter than Kaczynsky, worthless tranny

>>15320705
>learn something useful
"Like Complex Analysis."
-Algebra Cabin Man

>>15320705
lol, lmao even

Did you learn anything during the pandemic that would make you less of a faggots that worships zog?

>>15320699
>after 2008
>here before u
>doesn't know the lore
kek, 10-4 petty chief pseud

>>15320739
>know the lore
Nah, I studied Sociology/Psychology, Statistics/Law/IntLaw, Geopolitics/CultureUpstreamOfPolitics, then Culture, Theology, Mathematics here.

YOU STUDIED 4CHAN LORE?!?!

>petty chief
NAVY?!? Nah, homie...I was a 19-Trigger Puller in the Army.

>>15320765
No need to study it if you were there for it.

>>15320820
Meh, fair enough.

>>15320706
>Capitalism is the definition of trading goods and services for money.
So communism is capitalism too?

>>15321091
>So communism is capitalism too?
Yes, they were just too stupid to know it.

Price Fixing=Cronyism or Market Cornering
Crony Capitalism=Rigged Markets
Rigged Markets=Manipulated Currencies
Manipulated Values=Crooked Cornering

All of these terms are clouded together so as to trick people like >>15320694 into attacking the things that protect his way of life and ensure his goals. With a market and monetary system free of top-down manipulation the most goes to all and the top 1% have to work for their billions again.

In communism the markets were so manipulated bartering because favored...because the CAPITAL was manipulated to fit the system, not the system to fot the capital.

Now, Fiat isnt "bad", with population explotions and global use they literally need more bills to go around, but it opens the door to syphon off the top and devalue again and again (Bitcoin has a fixed inflation (max number of bitcoins and no more) so it couldnt happen there (hence why it exists).

>>15321091
>communism and capitalism
Outdated terms to be dropped.

Knowledge is Power.

Without Capital, we simply work for rations, which ends Money...but you get what is delivered, not what is needed or desired.

>>15321118
>Capital=Money=Fiat=Bitcoin
The concept of Money itself...which is only used for the *exchange of goods or services*.

Das is Capital, comrade.

>>15319960
It's boring

>>15321113
>because the CAPITAL was manipulated to fit the system, not the system to fot the capital.
Correction...the MARKET was so manipulated in the Soviet Union. I dont think the really fucked with the monetary that much but *way* fucked with the market.

It becomes indistinguishable on the ground floor....$1,000 loaf of bread because of supply and demand or inflation...it matters not to the starving peasant.

>>15321136
I guess that would be the core diffeence between the Cold War.

Manipulated Markets vs Manipulated Currenies.

Welp...currencies won. Now we need to solve the issue of syphoned-off-the-top inflation. The War of Numeral Manipulation (base systems), as adding more divisions allows more to be taken without it being too much.

Good thing Im a Number Theorist...I am ready for this war of matrix numbers across the screen.

>had a drink...need to hit someone or something idk...

What annoys me is how detached it all is from the reality: slave labor.

Slaves in Africa extract the materials from mines. Slaves in China make the technology. Mexican immigrants do all the harvesting of food.

You have been lied to when you are told it has been mostly automated away. It hasn't been. There's still human blood sweat and tears all along the way, but you have been tricked into thinking otherwise.

>>15320257
lol

>>15320502
Not much, language is only useful insofar as it helps an individual accomplish some goal

>>15320705
>his dumb ass followers who would rather watch retarded japanese shit all day than learn something useful
imagine you think you're a follower of uncle ted when you sit on the computer all day
how do they handle the self inflicted cognitive dissonance?

>>15319960
TL;DR: you're a massive fucking faggot roflmao

>>15319960
>Explain
People unconsciously use the highs and lows of life (and the difference between them) to calibrate their perception of life and the resulting emotional response. By objective highs/lows, I define good/bad things that are actually happening in that individual's life. By perceived highs/lows, I define the individual's reaction to such events (which may or may not match the objective assessment of such an event). By average of highs/lows, I mean an average of all their experiences ranging from ecstatic to cripplingly depressed (objective average if we're talking about the objective assessment of those events, or perceived average for the individual's perception of such events).
When people live a tough life, the perceived average between high/low is closer to the objective low. Therefore, even a mild objective high will make them feel ecstatic (imagine giving a burger to some poor hungry chump living in ethiopia. It would blow their minds), aka it is easy to make them happy. At the same time, it's pretty fuckin tough to make them sad, because their perceived lows are objectively low.
When people live an easy, pampered life, the average between perceived high/low is closer to the objective high. It's hard to make them happy, because their perceived highs are objectively high. However, it's super easy to make them sad, because what is an objective high/low mean is a perceived low to them, while an objective low is a fuckin abyss.

Because of that, people living easy lives spend their lives only experiencing mild happiness, but a lot of very powerful sadness. Which is why they have a shitton of (apparently) paradoxical grievances, why they're nitpicky as fuck, why they're generally miserable, why they gravitate towards drugs and why they're concerned with nonsensical shit. It's the behavioral equivalent of insulin resistance.

>>15321632
emotionally triggered

>>15319960
If life is getting easier why are working harder than ever? why innovate technologically then?

>>15320372
This, so much this. Why did we leave our caves tens of thousands of years ago? What's the point of "progress" and "gdp" if nobody can afford homes, food, and living paycheck to paycheck?

>>15321227
>language is only useful insofar as it helps an individual accomplish some goal
The goal was encrypting its language to speak to specific people and/or other AIs.

>Not much
Youre a lazy fucking retard.

namefag really tried pretty hard to spam this thread to death, must've been emotionally triggered by something

>>15323360
kys fgt

>>15324416
You ignorant charlstans need to GTFO. You shitpost and provide nothing of value.

Crying because you get owned for lying and talking out your ass isnt "he's mean". Its called SUPRISE TEST MF.

>>15324997
>posts midwit trash pic
GO BACK TO /pol/.


You dont get to be retarded get a pass around me.

POST BETTER SHIT, GET CALLED OUT LESS.

>>15325006
I shd tak a brk. 4chan is knwn 2 caus rtrdation

>>15325027
For most people, yes, it does. This is because theyre coming here to be with like minded people to "experience life together". A collectivist mindset, but is healthy for most people in moderation, as most are group oriented.

I come here to battle people from every field of study that there is. Duels to the death, unending, eternal.

[Adjusts tie.]

>>15325055
Good luck with that

>>15325056
>Good luck
What?! I fucking stomp them left and right. Only legit educate people can pull shit out that I cant really touch but usually theyre only skilled in that one specialty...as soon as the coversation leaves it its my domain again.

You..........feel like most people here are pretty smart, huh?

AAAAA MY DICK IS CAUGHT IN A ZIPPER

>>15325074
It likes that.

Cant Fake Crazy!

Many Try...All Fail.

>>15325081
HAHAHAHAHAHA I'M SO FUNNY

>>15319960
>We live in the most technologically advanced age in all of human history,
We never got any tech that we were promised, in fact it seems to be quite obviously declining, and in fact nearly completely based on imports.
>life has never been easier,
Today is among the worst periods in history, not because of technology, but because of the widespread social collapse.
>clothing is all mostly machine made,
Wrong.
>Miracle drugs like antibiotics and super-quinine have made most deadly diseases easily curable.
People have not been unhealthier in known history.

namefag is trying it's best to spam this thread to death, jannie nowhere to be seen

this is what men looked like back when working meant outputting legitimate effort
>i'm a pencil neck geek with a sissy desk job
>why don't women like me?
>its not fair reeeeeeee

love seeing the namefag chimp at this thread, maybe it'll die of apoplexy soon.
what is it about this thread that triggers it so hard anyway? is it the OP pic or the text?

>>15323447
redpilled

>>15319960
If you imagine everyone as cattle then sure, in theory most are well cared for.
But currently we're in one the worst times in history in terms of actual life fulfillment. Advances in technology don't mean shit for quality of life if they're just used to make people wageslave more.

>>15327641
You read OP's posts?

...huh...I just judge it on the picture and fight the first motherfucker to say something illogical...

I think the Mayans were right and the world actually ended in 2012 and we all died and went to Hell.

>>15328122
what was their description of hell?

>>15320705
>the tranny kaczynski he can shove his retarded manifesto up his ass
lmao he probably did,

>>15319960
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
That is a legit photo of Greta, she wouldn't have bothered responding to it if it were not & she lies about everything else, constantly. A compulsive liar.

>>15319960
Nobody hates your technology. People hate your blatantly unjust society, which protects favor criminals over honest people.
The technology even began to decay as the result, as incompetent people are favored over the actually capable, which means that for example it doesn't seem at all like we carry a supercomputer in our pocket.
But the core problem is that if you are honest, you stay poor.

>>15330219
well you feel entitled to live in a perfectly fair and just soiciety, the likes of which has never existed on this planet outside of mythology. as a result you are fated to spend your entire lifetime feeling cheated. then one day in the future, possibly the distant future if you're not a vaxxxie, you will die and on your tombstone someone will inscribe "that wasn't good enough for princess, not fair!"

>>15327034
i would bet money that in the day of this lad, there were pencil necks along his side doing the hard manual labour too. likewise, there are guys doing sissy deskt jobs that could be bodybuilders if they wanted, because:
how your body looks and responds to stimuli is mostly genetics.

>>15330238
>well you feel entitled to live in a perfectly fair and just soiciety
Nothing can be perfect, but this society is actively unjust. It actively favors scumbags, gives them as examples to follow and protects them from harm, while it laughs at honest people and calls them stupid.

>>15330243
it seems that you are fated to spend your entire lifetime feeling cheated. then one day in the future, possibly the distant future if you're not a vaxxxie, you will die and on your tombstone someone will inscribe "that wasn't good enough for princess, not fair!"
or you can learn to live in reality and appreciate it for what it is and act accordingly.
you seem highly resistant to the 2nd option, your sense of entitlement prevents acceptance of it

>>15330511
The reality is what I wrote. You protect criminals, and supress honest people. This is done in the open, so no conspiracy theory is needed.
>possibly the distant future if you're not a vaxxxie,
What do you even mean by that? On what side are you?

>Why do you hate our technological utopia?

It's basically like Orwell pig farm but with higher resolution monitors and TVs than in 70/80.

>>15330243
You know, society has always been like that. It's not a problem with >current year, it's a general human problem. Do you think it was fair for Archimedes, the mathematical genius, to be slain by a brainless soldier, after he dared to say please don't step on my drawings?
We are monkeys, always have been. 200 years ago, 2000 years ago or 200.000 years ago, humans have always been shit, loud, cheating, murderous rapists. How do you think our ancestors genocided all other hominid competitors? By being nice and just and thoughtful?
And no, we absolutely do not deserve to dominate this planet. The species that could have created a planetary utopia has long been murdered by our ancestors. We will just pathetically die in nuclear wars and its consequences.

>>15320351
All of which can be destroyed by inevitable social instability and foreign meddling just like what happened with the Middle East

>>15330551
>You know, society has always been like that.
No, we used to beat up the scumbags, take our stuff back, and kick them out. You prevent this from happening, which means the scumbags win, when you should help us out.

>>15330611
>foreign meddling just like what happened with the Middle East

The Times never stop changing, padawan.

>>15330511
>it seems that you are fated to spend your entire lifetime feeling cheated.
that is ones right if they are cheated.
>then one day in the future, possibly the distant future if you're not a vaxxxie, you will die and on your tombstone someone will inscribe "that wasn't good enough for princess, not fair!"
that is beyond ones control
>or you can learn to live in reality and appreciate it for what it is and act accordingly.
you seem to promise that someone wont inscribe something on your tombstone by acting a certain way? do you understand how death works?

>>15330551
This kind of appeal to nature fallacy has dominated online communities for about a decade now. MGTOW, red pill, black pill, incel, antinatalism, alfa male, lobster hierarchies: assuming good intentions (unlearning societal brainwashing) nevertheless the result has been the demoralization of men.

>>15330666
>demoralization
you're not aware of the meaning of that word even though its right in there. return to munke is the end of morality

>>15330640
Wtf did I watch lmao

>>15319960
>formerly arduous tasks like growing crops, raising livestock, milking cows, etc. have all been mechanized and automated to the point that even the few people needed to do the work, do it mostly sitting in a comfy chair. nobody needs to chop wood to heat their home or sail to the arctic to collect ice to cool it, clothing is all mostly machine made, most anything anyone could want can be delivered to their front door fairly quickly. Miracle drugs like antibiotics and super-quinine have made most deadly diseases easily curable.
I never asked for this.

>>15319960
Life is full of paradox, this is one of them.
You think advancing and evenly distributing tech is going to make people more equal, powerful, efficient, resilient and productive, which is true in the short term, yet people are only getting more weak, lazy, and wasteful.
Turns out most would only do the bear minimum to survive. After all, survival is the minimum requirement of living at any point of history. The more technology and society pad up the equation, the less is required from users themselves.
This allows more and ever weaker bodies and pathetic souls to be barely living in this world, while the handful few with innate motivations and discipline gets multiplicatively powerful with technology, or even let it feedback into use more resources to aim at a higher challenge more efficiently, creating exponentially huge gaps as one approaches to zero or even negative, and other to positive infinity. All that gets compounded with inheritance.
And god forbids weaker and disillusioned souls can't keep their basic technology and ownership due to their own failing in perceiving, anticipating and overcoming the ever lowering difficulty and now are unable to live, even without the powerful getting greedy in the competition or dumbing them down.

>>15330099
Yeah, thats her, before she failed out of high school completely she used to skip school pretty regularly, she'd spend all day getting high and being a total badass, started when she was 11 years old.
t. Stockholmska

>>15330551
>>15330666
>>15332035
No, not really. Let me illustrate it with an analogy.

Let's say we have a society of people who make ropes. People make ropes, and occassionally soneone pulls ropes from others instead, and they get beaten up when found out, and the ropes are taken away from them.

Now you came, and see that people who have unually high amount of rope get beaten up, and have their ropes taken away. Not understanding the reasoning behind this, you decided that the society is evil, because it prevents capable people from succeeding with physical force. And you decided to build a new, just society, where pulling rope is no longer punished. People may protest, but force is used against them.

At first, it succeeds - the first rope pullers get fabulously wealthy. All we need to do now is to teach everyone that rope pulling is ok, and we will see unprecented prosperity. Other peotests may erupt, but the "bad guys" get supressed again.
A few others will seek to immitate the "success" of the rope pullers. They do get better off, but not nearly as much as the first ones.
Others seeing their success try to join as well, but the results are lackluster. Rope pulling got hard, no matter of pulling seems to get much of rope. Others just give up, and while they refuse to pull rope, they also refuse to make any.

You come to study the reasons why everything came to standstill, but can't find any: most of the people pull ropes harder than you've seen, by all acounts the society should be prosperous like never before, but it isn't. Inevitably you begin to suspect those who refuse to pull rope, and study ways how to make them pull.

Of course the problem is that as the numbers of rope pullers increase, they find themselves playing the tug of war with each other more and more, which gets them no rope. Which is what the people knew to begin with, and why they punished the rope pullers.

1/2

>>15332579
god i hate analogy. How about starwars.

2/2
This is why social skills seem to be mutually exclusive with intelligence. It isn't a paradox, or some sort of brain tradeoff. You can never have a smart person with social skills, as they reject them as destructive once they get smart enough to unserstand the above. You will never succeed in breeding people (or making an AI) who are "moral" by your stupid standards and smart at the same time for everythingvelse, as anyone or anything smart enough will understand the stupidity of your so called "morals".

The further we run from nature, the harder it will re-reveal itself.

>>15319960
>technological utopia
>more working hours in the week for the common man than medieval peasants in europe

>>15331879
Nothing at all, Mr.Scientist, researcher, smart guy. God you people are so smart and have such eye for detail its amazing...

Things are literally labeled in bold, bright colors, and you still have to say "WHAT IS THIS?!?!"

Im baffled.......this is why the standard operation for governemnts is to lie....ITS EASIER TO BRAINWASH THAN EDUCATE.

>>15332592
>waaaaaaa i wanna be a victim
>i wanna cry and demand reparations

>>15332597
I am not demanding anything, I am pointing out that exponential population growth has rendered your "utopia" less efficient and less satisfying than dark age civilization.

>>15332601
>waaaaaaa i wanna be a victim
>i wanna cry and demand reparations
kill yourself if you're upset about overpopulation
problem solved

>>15332608
Again I didn't demand anything, I don't want anything, and I didn't say the world is overpopulated, people kill themselves everyday and it hasn't solved the problem of exponential population growth and how it renders any technological advancement moot since you will still just have to work harder to maintain the constant growth of civilization.

>>15332609
>the world is not good enough for me
>i demand that it change immediately to suit my desires, whatever they may be
>no i will not lift a finger to help
where'd you get that massively outsized sense of entitlement from? overprivileged childhood?

>>15332623
You will die, you can't stop the world from changing, technology won't save you, you don't live in a utopia, even if you are better off than your parents, not everyone is and in many ways you are worse of than dark age peasants, deal with it, no amount of projecting strawman arguments onto me will make modern civilization a utopia or change any of those facts, I am not the one saying I am entitled to anything, you are the one pretending to be entitled to live in a utopia just because technology exists, but you don't, there are more problems than ever in the modern MAD world.

>>15332628
>woe is me
>muh victim complex
>muh victimizaton mufffugguh
>gibes me dat reparations
your estrogen is working perfectly

>>15332609
>>15332623
>>15332628
>>15332650
Social disorder is the problem. Technology exists in spite of those chamges, not because of them.

>>15332650
>I must be in a utopia, otherwise I can only be a victim, someone pointing out that I am not entitled to everything just because technology exists is taking away all the utopian things I feel entitled to from me.
Nice false dilemma, strawman, but there are more options than just total victim and utopia master and I still haven't asked you for a single thing, just pointed out that you don't live in a utopia and are worse off in many ways than dark age peasants.

>>15332657
Yes and it is a function of population size, the larger the population, the more ways to induce disorder, hence a modern large population with great technology is in no better condition than an exponentially smaller dark age population with significantly lesser technology output.

>>15332672
No.

>>15332677
Wrong.

>>15332677
Sure feel free to explain how it is easier to put 100 cards in the right order than 2.

>>15332579
For clarity, I'm going to distill some key principles from your analogy and see if I understand you correctly:
>problem: society has moved from meritocracy/symbiotic competition to predator-prey/creation-exploitation. Now there's too much exploitation so there's little to gain anymore.
>cause: wrong incentives
>solution: make creation/production a more rewarding strategy than exploitation.

It's a good model for a start, but leaves out some vital parts:
>1. it's easy to see we live in a predominantly exploitative society, it hurts like hell yet the only thing most people seem to learn from the pain is to tolerate and justify more suffering for less reward and shame the more sensitive people who fail to cope and drop out
>2. no matter how you structure society, there will always be more and less capable people. As long as society has the attitude that those at the bottom of any hierarchy should content themselves with scraps and pittance, there will be monsters.

>>15332684
A hundred have 50 times more brainpower than two, and can divide labor much more.
>>15332708
You missed the point. People always used to do that, they got rid of exploiters in one way or another. But now they get into jail for it.

>>15332717
>A hundred have 50 times more brainpower than two,
Sure, but they have 50! times more needs.

>>15332684
I'm not that Anon but consider that the internet and any globohomo scheme is homogenizing our minds. Polarization supports this claim, because polarization happens on a shared basis. A large part of the world population is now focused on a small range of subjects in all aspects of society, wether it's politics, philosophy, science, entertainment and so on. We are developping tunnel vision with the illusion of widening our perspective. It's a brilliant magic trick.

>>15332730
Its still significantly easier to homogenize 2 minds than 100.

>>15332735
No reason to be so sure. Go outside and compare a parent with 2 children to a teacher with 20 children. The 20 children are walking in line while the 2 children are all over the place.

>>15332738
There is an entire institution and all the parents of all the kids dedicated to making those 20 kids do that instead of 1 single parent trying to corral their own kids, it is a terrible comparison and just goes to show how much more energy is needed to control a handful of kids.

>>15332725
>Sure, but they have 50! times more needs.
Why would they?

>>15332742
That is how set permutations and having multiple connecting nodes in a network works out mathematically and is proven in the fact that the average worker works significantly more hours to maintain society now than in the dark ages even with all the technological aid.

Life is very easy compared to even the relatively recent past. Nobody is at risk of starvation, nobody is cold, nobody has to do substantial physical labor. Leisurely lifestyle gives people more free time to think up things to complain about. They could devote themselves to productive or otherwise meaningful hobbies, but most don't.
The answer to why is in the pages of Thorstein Veblen's 1899 classic "The Theory of the Leisure Class: An Economic Study of Institutions"
You can also infer it from studying baboon society

>>15332820
>Nobody is at risk of starvation, nobody is cold, nobody has to do substantial physical labor.
Homelessness at all time highs, but yea sure nobody is hungry or cold.

>>15332826
>Leisurely lifestyle gives people more free time to think up things to complain about

>>15332838
If I simply refer to a homeless person as someone with a leisurely lifestyle and too much free time, it will make them stop being hungry and cold at night.

>>15332844
Those who choose to live as drug addicts are not homeless, they choose to live as drug addicts, they can get whatever they need for free if they don't choose drug addiction over modern comfort

>>15332853
>starving cold people forced to do manual labor that I don't like aren't doing labor and don't count as either starving nor cold.
That must make statistical collection quite convenient for you since you just get to make it up as you go.

>>15332858
China is current 'top dog' in this respect, being the continuation of the Soviets.

>>15332579
Part 2?

>>15332919
>>15332588

>>15332747
That's because the society has collapsed, not because there are too many people.
>>15332820
>Nobody is at risk of starvation,
Everybody is starving because the food is so bad.
>nobody is cold
People didn't use to need such a narrow range of temperatures, because they weren't as malnourished.
>>15332919
2/2 is two posts below that one

>>15332923
It collapsed under the weight of the exponential population growth.

>>15332924
The population growth of affected areas is minimal.

>>15332853
in my city there is ample free housing for bums, but it all comes with a no drugs & booze rule. the bums choose drugs, booze & sleeping rough cause they like drugs better than sleeping inside.
i knew one drunk who was always standing outside the convenience store who decided to stop drinking and get a place inside about 5 years ago, he ended up getting a commercial driver's license & now he's a garbage man, makes $80,000 cause its a union job. still hangs out by convenience store on his off hours sometimes, drinking coffee & smoking cigars. says he has more money than he knows what to do with.

OP is really on the mark, everything is pretty much fine, but some people insist on complaining and demanding no matter how good they've got it, they are never thankful.
Very leech like

>>15333106
The population growth of affected areas is negative, except due to the importation of foreigners (the burden of this policy on social order is one cause of collapse).

>>15334905
>some people insist on complaining and demanding no matter how good they've got it, they are never thankful.
normally those people are referred to a women, or colloquially as bitches.

>>15334905
You are completely delusional. People will have to remove you by force, or they will all die.

>>15335879
u mad, bitch?

>>15335883
What, ate you surprised? You completely fail at running civilization, and you are surprised that people are mad?

>>15332838
yes
unfortunately
they could be thinking up decent things to do, but instead they spend their time scheming new ways to demand gibes

>>15330240
are you one of those guys who lifted for two weeks and didn't end up huge so you gave up?
gainz is a lifetime off effort. the picrel you're talking about got that from doing gainz producing labor all day errrry day for over a decade at least
>muh genetix makes me a sissy, not my laziness
exactly wrong

>>15319960
Is that her? We need to ask ChatGPT

>>15333190
>who decided to stop drinking and get a place inside
Beautiful.

>>15319960
Look, we have AI and fly to space everyday but my sink is full of dirty dishes and no AI will do the dishes for me. Sure I have a fucking dish washer, but you need to empty it first, then RINSE every single piece you are loading, then play tetris as you run out of space, and you have to do it every single day. And then you need to dust and vacuum your 4000sq ft house. Sure you could hire someone, but it is not cheap. Where is your AI to make my life easier?

>>15319960
>previous generations suffered through?
Maybe 3-4 generations ago, but this is the first generation that is going to live WORSE than the previous generation. First time home buyers have been completely priced out in many 1st world countries. That's just one example. Jobs are scarce as more and more people are being replaced by automation and it's just the beginning. Also, the society has never been so divided thanks to the social media.

>>15332820
>They could devote themselves to productive or otherwise meaningful hobbies, but most don't.
That's true. I have several interesting, fulfilling unfished projects and self-study plans, but I keep procrastinating and keep following various societal dramas on twitter.

>>15319960
because God is dead and I had to revive Him myself

>>15338079
yeah, i got stuck in traffic driving to the grocery store & when i got there, they were out of my favorite brand of tendies. life sucks

>>15338509
The government should do something about this!

>>15319960
she really aged badly