/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15307484
we will go to mars for space mommy milkers UwU

>>15307484
That suit would blow up like a baloon in a vacuum.

Reposting, the chinese found more water on the moon

>y-you're a fag if you don't like my childish fetishism leaking onto everything i touch!!!
it's back to >>>/g/sdg with you coomer trash

>>15307497
If the mass of the moon changed by this much over four and a half billion years, there'd be a record of it

>>15307500
what do you mean?

>>15307507
We need samples. More lunar testing

>>15307497
Wait, is the water in the beads or on them? Plus wouldn't it need to be filtered since the glass beads are mixed in.

>>15307484
Where do you generate these pictures? I need the source for research purposes

How likely is April 20 launch date anons? Fuck the FAA

>>15307513
in them, I guess hydrogen gets in the existing silicate beads and then combined with energy from radiation they react with oxygen in the silicate to form water, which is trapped in the beads
and yes you need to have some process to get the water out, but the larger problem might be to sift through the craters to collect the beads

>>15307507
Higher and more powerful tides, increased tectonic activity, increasing rotational deceleration, all kinds of things a bigger moon would influence

Also, and this is the biggest thing that would prove if that water is solar-derived or not, but it would skew the D/H ratio they use to date things on the moon by a HUGE margin and that was not evident in the samples Apollo brought back

>>15307484

>>15307484
At least generate a different one next time.

>>15307515
it wasnt me >>15299817

but there are multiple ways to do these now, you might even run them locally

>>15307530
the apollo samples had a water content of 47ppm, these had as high as 2000ppm (hard to say what the mean is, might be areas with "richer" water bead concentrations)

Booster 7 lift today

Interesting

Work on the orbital launch mount continues.

>>15307558
not really

>>15307563
>pic
we live in the future
it's not always cool
but sometimes it is

>>15307565
Actually, we live in the past.

>>15307556
is that you Ted

>>15307573
wrong guy

https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/status/1640712653835468806

http://spaceflighthistory.blogspot.com/2019/12/revival-piloted-mars-flyby-in-1990s-1985.html?m=1

>>15307522
2 weeks

>>15307600
this is unironically the situation where olympic swimming pools would make sense to use

>>15307615
2 weeks (50% margin of error)

We have startups building shit to fit in starship. This is going to be a kino decaden

>>15307620
This same meme happened with Falcon Heavy’s maiden flight bro, you may actually eat those words.

>>15307634
Oh damn whats going on with that btw? Send names of companies/stories I wanna check out whats developing around Starship

>>15307634
>that's no moon

>>15307634
>no header tanks
>outdated doors
This guy has to update his design.

>>15307636
The one in that pic is ThinkOrbital, they are developing a large space station module that is welded in orbit to make a module that has a volume that is multiples of the ISS.

Another one is Gravitics. Their Starmax module is meant to fit into a Starship fairing. They raised millions and just completed a successful pressure test on a demonstrator

>>15307636
>>15307644
Another pic of Think Orbitals module.

Big space balls

>>15307642
>outdated doors
take your meds. starship has no up to date doors

>>15307634
I still haven't seen a single person positing in orbit manufacturing or construction explain how you deal with the vibrations.

>>15307648

>>15307652
>explain how you deal with the vibrations
what vibrations. you sound schizophrenic

>>15307657
>local retard doesn't know about vibration issues on literally every station ever built
Don't talk to me until you come back with actual knowledge.

>>15307635
what meme?

>>15307660
zero-g is not very special when it comes to vibrations. just make sure nothing self-amplifying is induced by the thrusters or other equipment.
same techniques you would use for analyzing a launch vehicle.

>>15307644
>>15307648
Dang thanks for the info, following these companies on Twatter now. So is Think Orbitals module being welded together with the arm in >>15307656?

>>15307648

>>15307660
are you assuming any vibration is automatically going to have resonance? why?

Reminder that gravity loss is experienced both when ascending from and landing on a body.

https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1639342902630309890

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyI6-oY8bVA

>>15307649
Why do you think SpaceX made Starlink dispense for Starship?
Original idea doesn't work.

>>15307672
>>15307681
Nope. We are talking about guys doing industry and manufacturing (and assembly) on a scale never before seen in space with even the smallest of these proposals and they always fail to address this. I'm sorry, but I just don't believe the fucking orbital foundry isn't going to shake itself apart.

>>15307688
>Why do you think SpaceX made Starlink dispense for Starship?
to dispense starlinks
>Original idea doesn't work.
it's pretty much required for big single satellites.

>>15307685
>Gravitics
>Sierra Space
>Axiom
>lunar Gateway
>CLD

OMFG

ERA OF SPACE STATIONS

>>15307690
so this is just some random assumption you have for some reason but you have no specific reason why this would happen, you just assume it will because of reasons

tell me the mechanism, is it something specific about welding that makes you think this is going to be a problem?

>>15307690
>nonsensical rambling
what do you think is different about space

>>15307696
https://twitter.com/SierraSpaceCo/status/1638888762104225793

oh I wasn't aware they had something like this under development too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcJuz6JA0BU

>>15307700
>>15307702
We're talking about heavy industry. Remember when NASA had to tell the astronauts to stop fucking around inside of Skylab or they were all going to die?

https://twitter.com/Axiom_Space/status/1638512873319067649

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHMrYYIXxqE

>>15307703
>literal nothing burger
lol. lmao.

>>15307707
no i don't, sounds something a schizo would come up with

>>15307708
first part of this is supposed to launch in late 2025

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom_Orbital_Segment

>>15307707
Yeah I remember that. How'd they smuggle a jackhammer up there anyway?

>>15307709
Yeah the inflatables are pretty gay.
They might work fine but the technology doesn't scale which is sad.
Modular stations also don't scale.
You want to start welding panels together in orbit and then get better at that until you can build huge things.

>>15307727
Modular stations could be the initial stepping stones that you use before you start welding shit together, I'm not really sure about inflatables (how big of a volume do you really need when you have Starship-size already?

>>15307729
We've been stepping on the same stones for 40 years now.
It's time to get serious about being a spacefaring civilization.

I still can't get over how much Starship is going to change the entire space industry. Also Primal Space thinks that Starships launch cadence will be similar to Falcon 9's, you fags also think the same or nah? I know that 4chan is generally a more pessimistic/realist POV

>>15307734
Holy shit go back to where you came from

>>15307719
>NET 2026
the first piece was supposed to launch next year. why is everyone always behind schedule in spaceflight?

>>15307675
yeah, I have their original proposal/paper
here's the very same guy talking about welding in space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVzUmQ6Oi5c

>>15307732
well I was more thinking of those stations around mars or something like that, not LEO
the welders need to live somewhere

>>15307732
No one who matter gives a shit about becoming a spacefaring civilization. Not until there is actual money to be made in space beyond Earth sats.

>>15307734
its going to be much, much higher than falcon 9 eventually
the plan is to have multiple daily and I think they will reach that eventually

>>15307736

>>15307741
Thanks fren

>>15307734
also, I don't think you can say 4chan is this or that
4chan is full of schizos that think the moon is fake, space is fake, earth is flat etc
the vast majority don't care about space at all, /sfg/ tends to have varying opinions on stuff as well

>>15307741
someone posted another pdf about welding methods in space in general like a week ago

>>15307695
>it's pretty much required for big single satellites.
Starlink dispenser caused them enough structural issues, to make those huge doors possible. Pic related is the biggest hole they have made and so far, no Ship has used it. They will most likely go with Shuttle-style doors.

>>15307757
>Elon autistically chasing thinner steel
>ends up not being able to fulfill Starships promise of a large voluminous payload bay

lmao, delete another inch why dont you

>>15307754
kek
that was me, actually

>>15307750
>that think the moon is fake, space is fake, earth is flat etc
That's just /pol/ and /x/

>>15307765
They are still using 4 mm steel btw.

>>15307750
Those schizos all congregate on /pol/, and are usually just baiting retards rather than people that actually believe in it. And yeah, I get that /sfg/ varies as well, but sure as shit you aren't patting Astra on the back for picrel (see twitter and r*ddit)

>>15307757
They're gonna need to rethink the structural engineering of the nosecone to keep the doors in the right shape and the structure sufficiently stiff to resist aeroloads on the body and flaps during reentry (which are more severe than launch).

>>15307765
this is happening in your head.
especially the elon part. nigger hasn't thought about his space company in a year.

>>15307757
how would that be structurally better than a single door that latches on all sides?
the shuttles door wasn't structural, it's a big contributor to the weight cause the bottom part needed to be super strong

>>15307734
Startship with a launch cadence similar to Falcon 9 IS the pessimistic scenario

Chinklink is coming. 13,000 satellite network

https://spacenews.com/china-to-begin-constructing-its-own-megaconstellation-later-this-year/

>SpaceX will be allowed to launch Starships from the Cape many times a week
> Noise pollution? Whats that?

>>15307734
F9 cadence (100) by 2030, ten flights a day by 2035, let's fucking GOOOOOOOO

>>15307787
lmao unironically a waste of money.
no reason they couldn't use starlink, kuiper or oneweb even for military applications

>>15307794
What will they be sending?

>>15307734
>I know that 4chan is generally a more pessimistic/realist POV
This shit is filled with retards, anon.
My most optimistic guess is that Starship will be flying once per month on the next decade.

>>15307796
just a bunch of sand

>>15307799
>This shit is filled with retards, anon.
Thanks for demonstrating

>>15307787
Soon there's going to be satellite traffic jams in the sky

>>15307803
I wanna know why would Starship launch multiple times per day.
>but musk said
And?

>>15307776
he made those decisions before he fucked off to SF

>>15307772
Nonsense. The nosebone aerolord will easily achieve escape viscosity

>>15307799
>>15307805
It will need to launch more than once per month for the Artemis unmanned demsonstration landing

>>15307805
The entire thing is designed to have a few hours of turnaround. That's the whole point. Fast turnaround is the guiding principle of the entire Starship program.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbPxafkZBR0

Would space be the ultimate penis pump?

>>15307799
Get a load of this faggog

my hecking quirky arthoe backwards movie im such a nuanced individual also indigineous language word amirite

>>15307812
You're the sort of dummy that thought he was going to fly manned trips to Saturn in his carbon fiber fantasy lmao

What is the probability that Earth contains the only life in the universe as opposed to not?

>>15307852
dilate

>>15307852
If this is true then we have a duty to spread reproductive systems.

>>15307854
The correct response to this question

>>15307787
> not even begins
> to begin
nah, never going to happen, those totalitarian shitholes always brag about what they are going to make (and then punish those who actually dare to innovate)

>>15307852
close to zero. might be that intelligent life tends to stagnate on it's own planet because the biosphere made it too unique, or gravity is to high. Might be that intelligent life tends to act like crabs in bucket and not escape.

>>15307702
No way to dampen vibrations other than internal friction. Can't lose energy to the environment.

>>15307863
Tiangong?

>>15307863
saving this for chinese starlink AND chinese manned moon landing
>>15307837
kek, I know what you're talking about anon. No need to delete.

>>15307734
Starship will launch 3+ times per day

>>15307867
it's not very intelligent to show off and soon we'll realize that we never know who else is watching

>>15307877
Launch cadence ramp up though? How long until we get there

>>15307746
I'm excited too anon, though WW3 might cuck the future by another half century in the end.

>>15307734
>Starship is going to change the entire space industry
How can it do that without doors?

>>15307884
Go bait /pol/ you subhuman

LUNAR
ECONOMY

>Parsec®: a cislunar communications and navigation network
>Parsec uses a constellation of small lunar satellites that will collectively work to provide continuous connection between Earth and the people and assets in lunar orbit, as well as on the surface of the Moon.
>In addition to communications, Parsec will also provide critical position, timing and navigation services for lunar missions.
https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2023-03-28-Crescent-Space-to-Deliver-Critical-Services-to-a-Growing-Lunar-Economy

funny how this is the same thing that a dozen other organizations are building...competition is great, but so is a diversity of projects...everyone building this same thing is a little too much

>>15307889
>locksneed
NGMI

>>15307872
It also shows that their technology is lagging for decades, so if it was to happen, it would take them some twenty-odd years, and their aggressive behaviour towards freedoms makes it almost certain, that their economy will continue to deteriorate until they won't be able to afford such a project, and social factors will make them engaged with more earthly things.

>>15307871
destructive interference nigger

>>15307889
what is the lifetime of lunar satellites? I thought the orbits were very unstable, so you would have to do constant corrections and run out of propellant quite quickly

>>15307907
Ewwwww

>>15307903
That just moves energy around. It can't take energy out of the system.

>>15307910
looks like we found the next lunar business venture: fuel deliveries to those satellites

>>15307883
>he thinks world wars would hamper space development
>not massively speed it up
You underestimate the utility of the high ground.
We might end up without sats or easy orbital access for a bit though.

>>15307910
Most LLOs are unstable, but there are some frozen orbits that can be taken advantage of.

>>15307910
Depends on altitude; mascons are only a problem for LLO. With argon thrusters or even plasma magnets, even low orbits will be nbd

https://twitter.com/RingWatchers/status/1640719766053691392

Interesting change

>>15307863

What is the most inexpensive way to remove earth's atmosphere? Best I could think of was deploying a massive sunshade to force it to condensate.

>>15307791
unironically what is that?

>>15307734
>Its year is still 2030
>FAA has not issue any license to Starship for the last decade
>they claim Elon Musk needs to resign for Starship to get license

>>15307934
china is so based bros

>>15307852
Literally impossible to say. We only have one data point. Anybody who tries to give you an answer other than that is lying to you.

>>15307933
Whats the point of this though?

>>15307938
It makes voters pissed off and contact politicians to make it stop. A Saturn V class vehicle launching every 6 months is one thing and monthly, weekly, daily launches is quite another

>>15307946
Elon told them to do it. there is no rhyme or reason, in fact it's probably worse to do it this way

>>15307919
>he thinks ww3 will not result in half of the world becoming a radioactive puddle

>>15307952
funny enough, no rocket launch has ever been stopped due to noise pollution in history

>>15307934
Everyday I wake up I'm glad china developed to be a major economy with decent quality of life even if they emitted 200 billion tons of CO2 while doing so

>>15307497
Fake and gay. Don't trust the insectoids.

>>15307946
Read the thread
1) its a reduction in robot usage. On the left, there are 2 robots doing the job, one at the top to weld the parts together and one at the bottom. The new method removes the top robot, so only the ground robot is needed.
2) And likewise, human work on top of the nosecone is reduced as they build from bottom up, which means no need for welding patchworks at the top with ladders/etc
3) The nosecone loadspreader doesn't need to be switched out many times throughout the stacking. It stays attached all the way through, reducing build time/complexity.

Overall, I think its a step in the right direction, for now.

>>15307944
Is it though? We can clearly see a lot of planets that do not contain life.

>>15307957
And rocket has been proposed of the size and launch cadence of Starship before now

>>15307934
Are those the rails their citizens cannot afford to use? Do they even exist in reality or mostly in paper?

>>15307852
We don't have enough information to conclude anything.

>>15307983
the universe is so big that we can extrapolate a lot about it from the small amount of evidence we have

>>15307984
That's the opposite of how it works.

>>15307634
SX are too gay to build a door this based

Wait uhhhhhhhhhh isn’t Falcon 9 going to attempt vertical integration at some point or did I completely dream this?

>>15308014
I think that was when they revealed the mega fairing, which I'm pretty sure happened but now that I'm looking there aren't any pictures on the web

>>15307852
Only life? Probably low.
Only complex life? Probably 50/50
Only complex intelligent space faring life? Probably 95% chance thats true.

>>15307984
Lol no. We have no idea if the events that lead to life are just a given for every suitable planet or if we are just a massive fluke.

>>15308029
See when people call us "spacefaring" I know that's technically true, but from the Fermi Paradox standpoint that should refer to those civilizations that are visible from across the galaxy. I want to believe we'll get there, but...

>>15308038
Just imagine it's this

>>15308031
not about life, but astronomy is full of people who look at small chunks of the sky, work off the assumption that what they observe is average, and are able to build a predictive model based on it

>>15307976
Saturn V was objectively louder

>>15308051
We have barely started to study exoplanets.
I wish some eccentric richfag would fund a giant space telescope with this goal.

>>15308058
true
we have studied a lot of space rocks, though
people always say "we have exactly 1 data point" when really we have a lot of data points and every surface in our solar system seems to be sterile except Earth
that 500AU telescope that can photograph continents on proxima b would be so cool, I hope it happens in my lifetime

>>15308056
You can't launch 150 ton to LEO without making a hell of a racket. Big rockets are the loudest noise making machines we have (explosions beat them but they're not sustained)

>>15307484
what's with the crazy eyes

>>15308051
The issue with that is that if intelligent life suitable conditions are 1/1 billion we probably won't see any clear signs for ages, but the universe would have plenty of civilizations anyway. If they're 1/1 centillion then we won't see anything because there's nothing to see.

>>15308035
For our terms, I'd just use any planet that has a civilization which has the capability to leave their home planet's orbit to colonize other planets. I'm being super generous with definitions. If you limit it to only those that can have impacts across their home galaxy, then the number would be extremely bleak.

>>15308056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uoVfZpx5dY

>>15307978
https://www.travelchinaguide.com/china-trains/beijing-guangzhou/
>First Class Seat: USD 215
>Second Class Seat: USD 134
https://www.travelchinaguide.com/shanghai-to-beijing-trains.htm
>First Class Seat: USD 164
>Second Class Seat: USD 99
Stop coping. Ignorance is not a strength.

>>15308115
Trains are gay and for well dwellers, take that to /n/ faggot

>>15307978
Beijing-Shangai (1300km) costs 70$. The more common 100km trips cost like 10 bucks

>>15308074
>The Space Shuttle Launch: Unlike many other loud noises, the shuttle rocket sound reaches constant 165-170 dB as it creates the power to lift off the ground into space.
>The Blue Whale: As well as the biggest, the blue whale is also the loudest animal in the world. Its mating call reaches levels up to 188 dB and can be heard for hundreds of miles underwater.
https://swiftaudiology.com/what-is-the-loudest-sound-in-the-world/
How tf is an animal louder than a rocket launch?

>ywn have a near-lightspeed personal spacecraft

>>15308130
Come over here and kiss me on my hot mouth

>>15308139
YWNBFTL

>>15307634
This genuinely makes me excited and I hope they succeed

>>15308123
> shitting on trains in a den of autists
every board on 4channel is a train board faggit, gb2 reddit

>>15307978
The people can afford it due to subsidies, the relevant question is whether the government can afford it since it's not even close to being profitable. Still probably worth it in the long run due to ancillary benefits.

>>15308068
>500AU telescope that can photograph continents on proxima b
This sounds more worthwhile than all these pointless space startups.

>>15308068
>>15308172
>muh proxima b
Another dead rock scoured clean by its shit M dwarf star

>>15308172
Oh great more looking at useless fucking exoplanet money that couldve instead been spent on a Dyson swarm or colonies.

>>15308189
So much this, stop staring at these shitty little star systems we wont reach until 2200 and instead spend it on our solar system.

>>15308139
>ywn have a personal spacecraft

>>15308109
There is actually a well known theory that Cronkite was playing theatrics here. He was really overexaggerating the "building shaking" and his surprise. Obv none of it was on camera, how convenient

>>15308139
AHHHHH I WANT ELITE TO BE REALITY

Zubrin

>>15308217
YWNBAW

>>15308196
>stop wasting money on interstellar exploration, let's take care of our home planetary system first

>>15308222
>interstellar exploration
>literally just sucking off astronomers
>this is somehow exploration
Please, just kill yourself now. You’d do the whole of humanity a favor.

>>15308074
>You can't launch 150 ton to LEO without making a hell of a racket
Orbital assembly.

>>15308222
Interstellar travel will be a natural outgrowth of solar system colonization. Spinchads will be cool with century long voyages in habs much like the ones they've lived in all their lives and they dgaf if there's no 'Earthlike' planet at the destination

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PFbNDSttnPQ

new nasa trailer. I wanted to respond with HARD CRINGE but comments are turned off

>>15308234
>spinchads
Stopped reading there.

>>15308225
So you wanna explore space without knowing where you are reading to?

>>15308235
Is this a movie trailer? Isnt NASA supposed to be a respectable organization? This is just fucking pathetic.

>>15307933
>the Starship of Hanoi

>>15307852
>In the universe
Only retards think that. The universe is unimaginably huge, there's bound to be other life out there and even other intelligent life.

The real question is what is the density of life and are we the only intelligent life in our galaxy.

>>15308239
Planetcucks will never go to the stars, cope

>>15307978
a compromise: exists in reality, but made out of scrap paper

>>15308241
I want to explore space that is realistic in my life time, not stare at shit thinking we will ever get there when it’s going to be impossible. Deal with prepping for interstellar travel by first having a strong grip on your home system. I do want to explore other star systems of course, but doing a telescope first thing is just retarded.

>>15308250
>t. Belter scum

Is Enceladus inside Saturn’s radiation belt?

>>15308259
> my brainless abuse will defeat his impeccable logic!

>>15308247
How many times we will need to repeat that we have no idea what the probabilities are? The only retarded thing is to be sure of anything beyond the fact that life can exist, since we are here.

>>15308267
Saturn doesn't really have radiation belts; the trapped protons hit the rings

I wonder how the fags here will cope when they are old and realise none of the things in space have happened

>>15308277
Suicide probs.

>>15308281
That being said, they will def happen anyways so no need to worry. SpaceX has got us, even if by 2040 is when we have a Mars colony up I will have more than half my life ahead of me.

>>15308285
God that looks so fake.

Tharsis...Mount Peacock...home

>>15308251
radical centrist

>>15308277
We're either going to be where we are today or be in an infinitely better place 30 years down the line.

Its either we win big or we stay the same

>>15308319
What are the chances of each? I personally think its like 10% we dont change.

>>15308319
or we live in the pod

>>15308327
If its a pod in space I dont give a fuck

>>15308331
And this is how /spacefags/ are being tricked into living in the pod.

>>15308014
>>15308027
Vertical integration was a DoD request/requirement. I don't remember which pad they proposed upgrading to allow vertical integration but they were waiting until they had a payload that would require it. As of yet even though the DoD wanted the capability, they haven't lined up a payload that would need it. Who knows if they will before the F9 is retired.

It would be so like the government to request this, use it for 1 mission or better yet a demo, then never use it again.

>>15308331
Tubecucks, everyone
>I don't even care of there are any windows man just get me in space and stick me in a windowless tube

>>15308349
Windows would be required

>>15308259
Personally I want to differentiate between asteroid dwellers and stationers. Maybe tubers or canners.

Maybe 1s, 2s and 3s ect for the people in Habs at the L1, L2 and so forth.

>>15308351
Why? You're not one of those sci-fi mushheads who daydreams about star wars exoplanets? Stars are just pointless background.
If you need to check something just take an elevator to the hub. There's a porthole there.

>>15307530
> Mass of moon
> 7.3 × 10^22 kg
> Additional water over billions of years
> 2.7 × 10^14 kg
> AAAAAAAAA WE'D SEE 20m TIDES AND MASSIVE EARTHQUAKES AAAAA THE CHINKS DONT KNOW ANYTHING AAAAAAA
/sfg/ is the ultimate midwit board

hehe stupid spinhabs, here I am in my cozy well that I can leave whenever I wa-ACK!

>>15308344
I think SpaceX's lack of vertical integration was a big reason for the 40-60 split with ULA. The last time we heard them talk about hypothetically building the capability was just before the NSSL-2 award and they haven't done anything about it since. I think they could build that capability if they really needed it but they know that they're not going to need it until they get into NSSL-3 and that's not going to start until 2028.

comet colonists living in caves (30000 years)

>>15308364
Spincucks will never be spacefaring

>>15308269
>2 trillion galaxies estimated in the observable universe
>100 million stars per galaxy on average
>200 quintillion stars total, and even more planets
>Thinks life only developed in one planet

The mere fact that there is life at all on Earth means that we are likely to find it elsewhere, based purely on statistics. The chances that we are the ONLY life to emerge at all are miniscule compared to the chances that life appeared at various locations.

>>15308364
>Spincitizen 43275, you are guilty of consuming 2% more oxygen than guidelines. Report to Wellness Chamber 334 for electro-counselling

>>15308380
> the people who first encounter free fall as a child and are quite at home in it will be poor astronauts
> the people who are used to closed ecology life support will be poor astronauts
a curious thesis

>time dilation
Einstein was a tranny

would you want your far future descendants to be genetically modified for the colonization of an exoplanet with a hostile environment

>>15308395
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantropy

>>15308392
Tubers lack the Faustian Spirit

>>15308392
Tubeniggers are just soi cucks who will eat bugs and live in a pod if it spins.>>15308394

>>15308392
Sounds like "digital native" crap, meanwhile zoomers don't know what a computer is

tubers will never walk under an alien sun, breathing an atmosphere which would have been deadly toxic to their parents

>>15308398
>coined by science fiction author James Blish
Goodfellas_mushbrain.webm

>>15308399
The man who wants to scuttle from one gravity well to another - 'I'm a Faustian dontcha know! Also, flat space scares me!'

>>15308408
He coined the term 'gas giant' so he's ahead of you sonny

if you think about it the chaddest populations are those engaging in interstellar spaceflight, which will take generations.

Belt of habitable worlds placed artificially on stable orbit. Look up in either direction and see another Earth with people and Mcdonalds up there.

>>15308123
Kill yourself this is trains website

Well if I was a rich billionaire, I wouldn't be dicking around with yet another rocket, I'd be working on a station with artificial gravity

>>15307745
>the plan is to have multiple daily
I think there's only so many customers who need something flown into space

>>15308431
Thats for the other companies to do. SpaceX is a launch company you stupid fuck, and if you cant even get your station off the ground then whats the point in designing one??

>>15308435
You underestimate the amount of people who want to go to space, especially the well off ones.

imagine space colonization using the "commercial SLS"

>>15308445
Sooo imagine we’re stuck in the 60s?

>>15308035
We've already hit a point of declining populations with VR catgirls around the corner, who's actually going to populate an entire galaxy?

>>15308451
Artificial insemination babies

>>15308414
Faustian Spirit means the longing for the infinite, the wild places, no matter how impractical.
A tube is the opposite of that. It's all about ease and convenience. A suburb in space. It's hard to imagine a less genuine place.

>>15308451
Those who would rather explore than fuck tight catgirl pussy
[no one :(]

>>15308454
Spincucks will never recover. Eternally BTFO

>>15308388
Retard, I didn't say we are the only ones, I said we don't know anything.
>muh big numbers
Means nothing right now. the chance of every event that lead to life happening could still be 1/[all the times it could have happened].
Actual statistical analysis will only happen once we can analyse in more depth more planetary systems.

>>15308402
"digital native" when using computer required more effort. But they evolved to be the most accessible possible.

>>15308438
I didn't say anything about SpaceX you donut

>>15308438
I think anon was talking about all the meme launchers, not SeX

>>15308452
Who's going to raise those babies, I don't think people aren't having kids because they're infertile, they just don't want to raise kids

>>15308480
You are asking this when ChatGPT is in its infancy and is still doing everything its doing?

>>15308451
>who's actually going to populate an entire galaxy?
Robots and androids, after they wipe us out.

>>15308454
>the longing for the infinite
Spinchad spacers will *live* there, not merely yearn for it from the bottom of a well. Wherever they turn they see stars and see them as prospects to be reached in a manner not vastly different to the way they live anyway

all we can do is larp as a certain group of space colonists
(this is a good thing)

>>15308480
The truth is that no one actually wants to raise children. Everyone rich/powerful in the past would just have servants raise their children for them. It's getting widespread due to how more people have higher standards of living.

>>15308489
And what will you do if you reach the stars? Spin in circles again, simulating the gravity you claim to despise?
If you were of the disposition to explore, you'd be seeking out real worlds to walk on, not sitting in your tube apartment reading the newspaper like in >>15308250

>>15308490
Man I fucking hate well dwelling

>>15307484
Israel launch tonight?

https://twitter.com/joetruzman/status/1640861406034550784?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

Didn’t know they had orbital rockets

Tubers actively go out of their way to antagonize planeteers, a people who regard the tubers only with baffled goodwill. The relationship is much like that of Canada towards the US, or New Zealand towards Australia.

>>15308506
>talking about this on a Mongolian kite weaving forum

>>15307889
How's this any different than the CAPS

>>15308468
>Retard, I didn't say we are the only ones, I said we don't know anything.
You fucking baboon, read my post again, you can prove with statistics alone that it is extremely improbable that life emerged only on Earth.

On 200 quintillion throws, the chances you get exactly one planet with life are extremly unlikely, no matter the actual chances of life emerging. So you either get no life at all or you get multiple planets with life. Seeing as we are alive, it is extremely probable that there is at least another planet with life somewhere. Saying that "you can't know because you haven't seen any other life yet" is a brainlet cope.

>>15308516
the what?

>>15308521
You have to go back

>>15308497
neat https://twitter.com/LoveWorld_Peopl/status/1640864655659655169

>>15308520
Based on what? You said nothing that proves your point. Getting exactly one planet with life still is a possibility. We don't know how many sides of the dice have life.

>>15308520
you are dumb retard

>>15308495
>tube apartment
Its moving at 5%c to a new star.
>real worlds to walk on
Pop scifi with ftl travel to incredibly common Earthlike worlds has biased your thinking. All current evidence indicates that things are not as you would like them to be
>>15308506
>planeteers, a people who regard the tubers only with baffled goodwill.
Oh, 'tubecuck' is a neutral term is it? Please, whenever spinhabs are brought up the hostile sniping begins

I should remind myself to only browse this shit when there is something happening

>>15308530
>Whenever means never

>>15308530
>common Earthlike worlds
I never said anything about earthlike worlds. I'm happy walking and living on any of the real planets or moons in our solar system, accepting their gravity and other conditions as much as I can. You're the one who wants to haul a copy of Earth around with you and shut out the real world outside your walls.

>>15308536
It just devolves into /pol/ but spincucks vs wellchads

>>15308542
And in the end, only oldspace capsules will prevail.

>>15308527
>Based on what?
I explained myself twice, I don't even know how to put it in simpler terms.
>Getting exactly one planet with life still is a possibility.
A completely negligible possibility. Read about CDF and calculate it yourself.

>>15308529
You are either an undergrad or a tradie, cope harder

>>15308388
>based purely on statistics
t. doesn't understand statistics

>>15308547
Even middle school students understand this

>>15308525
whoa, looks like it lost some bits shortly after takeoff

Israel launches a Shavit for their milsats once every few years. It is one of the few that eats the cost of a retrograde launch so they can go out over the Mediterranean sea.

>>15308547
You explained NONE of the parameters. We have no idea what those parameters are, and we can't use life Earth coming up early as one because it could have just been a fluke.

>>15308547
Your assumption is that each biological step is independent. This is what allowed you to multiply the probability into the quadrillions. This may not be the case. Once RNA emerges, self organization to higher and higher levels may only be a matter of time, inevitable.

>>15308520
Having at least one planet with life is given because otherwise we wouldn't be perceiving anything. No matter how unlikely that it was for us to exist, that possibility came true simply because we're even asking the question. That is to say there is at least one planet containing life, and if the probability of a planet containing life is effectively zero then that very well could be the only planet containing life.

Suppose some sort of multiverse or infinitely recurring universe, with a finite but absurdly small possibility of it containing life (like 1/Graham's number to the power of Graham's number Graham's number times). Just because you're alive in such a universe doesn't mean that it contains other life. I don't think this is the case in our universe, but the point is that using humanity as a sample size is fundamentally flawed.

>>15308555
Meant for
>>15308269

Is a Ceres outpost based? It does seem to have an underground ocean

>>15308540
>accepting their gravity and other conditions as much as I can
The trouble with this is that populations adapted to say lunar gravity cannot even visit Mars, let alone Earth. Whereas people living in spinhabs can visit anywhere. And should torchships happen along, they can fly them without being immobilised

>>15308562
If you live on Mars that's where your family is, you have work and commitments there. You won't have much need for idle visits to other planets. We're trying to build self sustaining populations on other worlds, not live out some flash gordon fantasy zipping around the solar system

>>15308542
>wellchads

>>15308561
Depends.
Domed settlement:
>cringe, well-cucked
Spinning station in close orbit
>based, spinpilled

>>15308544
so fuckin gbased(sfg). suborbital colonization will be real and kino

>>15307934
Adding to this:
Chinese trains are so safe, you're statistically more likely to die on an escalator in China!

>>15308551
Retard, you don't need to define each parameter in Drake's equation to get to the same conclusion.

You have an estimated fixed number of star systems, variate the chances of life emerging, calculate for each case the chances that at least one and two systems have life and then see what are the chances that each scenario is real life.

>>15308558
Read my other posts, no matter the actual chances for life to emerge, the conclusion is the same: the probability of life having emerged on one planet only and not zero or more than one is negligible. Therefore, we must assume that life appeared in multiple places in the universe.

>>15308580
Floating cities when

>>15308572
> just remove flexibility and options, its no big deal. traveling is kinda gay bro, just stay where you were born
The irony if you were the anon posting upthread about the Faustian spirit upthread might send my sides out of the well

>>15308585
...Do I want to know how many chinamen die in escalator-related events every year?

>>15308589
Never. Please go be gay in a parallel universe.

>>15308589
well, we need to get two new shepards to dock during suborbital flight first

>>15308587
>the probability of life having emerged on one planet only and not zero or more than one is negligible
You never demonstrated that, only asserted it.

>>15308590
I'm the FAVSTIAN SPVRVT anon and I'm not that guy but I am this guy >>15308540

>>15307746
Stupid frogposter

>>15308575
eeh Ceres barely has a well, a dimple at most

>>15308555
I highly doubt eukaryotic cells are a given.

VGH

>>15308605
Alright, maybe. But why? Just a gut feeling?

>>15308561
I get the ocean meme for Europa and Enceladus, but how is Ceres going to stay hot inside without tidal heating?

>>15308606
Rockets are wellcuck cope machines. Spinchads don't need them.

>>15308573
Fix'd

Tubecucks seething

>>15308596
It's fairly easy to prove, see the first part of >>15308587

>>15308608
not that anon but "eukaryotic" here on earth is a symbiosis between archaea and bacteria plus some other shit. Of course there's no way to say for sure until we observe something else but it doesn't look like that's the only possibility, imagine a world where genetic regulation/body development is regulated by symbiotic virus/free living RNA analogues, or where greater complexity happens in singe cells with multiple nuclei (which exist irl already). And that's just a couple of possibilities from a guy who doesn't know all that much about bio.

>>15308608
The time between the origin of life and eukaryotes is longer than the time between the formation of Earth and the origina of life.

>>15308617
Yes and? Your implication is that time delay proves it was a one-in-quadrillion fluke. But you haven't proven that at all.
>>15308615
All very interesting possibility, particularly this one:
>where greater complexity happens in singe cells with multiple nuclei (which exist irl already)
Some of those enormous, like 30cm, single cell seaweeds use this method

>>15308612
Not really, that's incoherent. Try this instead

>>15308300
It is fake, if I had to guess

>>15308625
You know we have things called "rockets". You may have seen pictures of them. Here's an illustration of one in the form of a japanese cartoon girl.

>>15308625
You're drawing a flimsy analogy to breaking point. Meanwhile you live in an ACTUAL well and the only way you can see the sky is to take a spintrain up to the end of your spintube and peer through the endcap.

PVSTHVMVNVDS can move effortlessly from interstellar space to a crushing five gravities all while laughing at baselines arguing about their preferred environment

>>15308640
>pisthimonads
What did he mean by this?

>>15308640
I wonder if I could even stand in two gravities

>>15308616
That says nothing about life appearing in separate places at completely different times, which was admittedly not specified but is the only logical manner in which to approach this issue from a human perspective. I would rehash my earlier argument but it's right here >>15308558

>>15308649
societies progressively replace more letters with "v" as they grow more advanced and explore more of the universe

>>15308634
Oh no, a short journey to experience zero gee and see stars! The suffering! I think I'll strap on wings and fly along the axis to cope with it all
>>15308640
I would kneel but as I'm in free fall it just looks like I'm bending my legs so the gesture is lost

>>15307484
sexxxooooooooooo

when can we expect artemis 2 to launch?

>>15308666
2025

humans(star locusts[good])

Imagine. DIY spacecraft when commercial space stations are available.

O'Neill cylinders make a thousand times more sense than settling Mars, debate me

>>15308655
>I think I'll strap on wings and fly along the axis
Be careful not to crash into the end. It's only a few km from one end of your world to the other

>>15308610
SpinLaunch will never be a real spacelaunch company

>>15308685
Lmao that pic is even more fantasy than usual for these shitty threads

>>15308685
this reminds me, we're definitely going to have big ass domes on mars, the moon, and elsewhere, but they'll probably be more akin to parks than places to live

>>15308652
You are right, time wasn't taken into account, but that changes the question. There are formulas to take into account time, but you also need to estimate or variate the lifespan of life after it appears. I would say that there are three different questions, of which I tried to answer the first one:
- Did life emerged or will emerge somewhere else than on Earth?
- Is there life "right now" somewhere else than on Earth?
- Will humans meet life that emerged somewhere else than on Earth?

>>15308696

I imagine it like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py1hh45Lu68

>>15308632
holy fucking cute

>>15308700
Shut the fuck up about ayys, nobody wants to see you two spastic retards arguing here

>>15308694

Why? If you go to all the trouble to escape Earth's gravity well, why descend into another one? O'Neill cylinders are planets as humans would design them, with gravity where we want it, but not where we don't. You don't need huge rockets to leave an O'Neill cylinder. You just take an elevator up to the axis, then a train along it to either end cap where the docking hubs are. Presto, you're in space.

>>15308710
You are proving the point that spin cucks are just dumb fucks who dont have the will to truly explore.

>>15308714

Explore what? Radiation blasted airless deserts?

>>15308710
its probably alot easier to escape an oneill well than a planet well

>>15308685
The cylinder is a dark and cold world, where the air is thin and the wind is fierce. The land is covered with snow and ice, and only the hardiest plants and animals can survive. The windows that normally let in sunlight are closed, creating a perpetual night. The only sources of light are artificial lamps that illuminate the settlements and roads. The people who live here are either adventurers who seek the challenge of climbing the highest peaks, or researchers who study the effects of extreme conditions on life. They wear thick layers of clothing and oxygen masks to protect themselves from the harsh environment. They live in insulated domes or underground bunkers, where they have access to heating, electricity, and communication. They rarely venture outside, except for emergencies or expeditions. They dream of seeing the stars or the sun again, but they know that their cylinder is a unique and valuable place in the vastness of space.

https://payloadspace.com/isar-closes-e155m-series-c-funding-round/
>German launch startup Isar Aerospace has closed a €155M ($167.3M) Series C funding round. The company has now raised over €300M ($323.9M) and is fully funded up to and beyond its first flight.
>With this latest round of funding, Isar cements its position as the most well-funded European launch startup. The next most successful is Orbex with just over €114M ($123M). Orbex is also the only other European launch startup to have raised more than €100M ($107.9M).
Will Isar make it?

>>15308715
Europa? Enceladus? Mining for new materials? Advancing humanity instead of staying complacent in a fucking tube? Jesus you spincucks really do just want to live in the pod

>>15308705
i imagine there would be alot of different domes, seamlessly integrated within the rest of the colony, giving the illusion of living on an earth-like world

>>15308723

You can mine asteroids without having to descend back into the gravity well of a moon or planet. That's where you get the metals to build the cylinders from in the first place

>>15308726

What about radiation exposure?

>>15308731
thats why you dont live in them

>>15308728
>again completely ignores the search for life and technological stagnation

>>15308732

I propose the following compromise

>>15308715
>Radiation blasted airless deserts
Like open vacuum?
It's called FVVSTIVN SPVRVT
And nothing stops me having a comfy house under a dome.

>>15308733

Send AI probes to search for life. Humans should live in environments suitable for humans. That means big open natural spaces with lots of headroom, not networks of sterile corridors and chambers.

>>15308731
Plasma Magnet solves this

>>15308734
we'll probably use those too

>>15308739
>sloth, again leading to technological stagnation
Do you also believe in UBI?

>>15308739
>big open natural spaces with lots of headroom
>not networks of sterile corridors and chambers.
Rich coming from a fucking spinfag
You can erect a gigantic dome kilometers high on a real planet.

>>15308739
We originate from cavemen tho

>>15308745

Then you're back in a gravity well. But not enough for healthy gestation

>>15308710
>You don't need huge rockets to leave an O'Neill cylinder.
This rocket-o-phobia is a relic of the oldspace age. Rocketry is easy.

>>15308709
Cope and dilate

>>15308740
I'd need to see evidence they can deflect galactic cosmic rays traveling a fraction under lightspeed. Solar protons sure, but relativistic heavy nuclei?

>>15308747

Cavemen could go outside

>>15308752
I'd need to see evidence that Plasma Magnet works at all in the first fucking place

>>15308749

But spendy too. The sort of vessel needed to travel between lagrange points uses vastly less fuel

>>15308749
>Rocketry is easy
>need two giant stages to reach orbit with a decent payload
well dwellers are delusional

>>15307563
soooo. Everybody is just sitting around waiting for what exactly? Is it a three letter acronym starting with F and ending with A?

>>15308764
Yes? Why does that scare you? You just land and refuel with cheap methalox. Spinqueers are one step removed from space elevator maniacs. Solving a problem that doesn't exist.

>>15308770

Money

>>15308770
>Spinqueers
KEK

>>15307852
zero. The "earf is a special snowflake" is the new "the entire universe spins around earth" dogma from a couple of centuries ago. Human monkeys just like to stroke their ego thinking they are some chosen one. Fast forward a couple of centuries into the future and there will be unironic sex tourism industry to ETs home system

>>15308742
Hey faggot answer the technological stagnation question. Again do you believe in UBI?>>15308748
>>15308755
>>15308759
>>15308778

>>15308784
I would fuck ET ngl

>>15307978
Potemkins village like everything else with chingchongs. Just the way they have tofu ghost cities they have shoddily built tofu railways meant for creating illusions and fooling useful idiots

>>15308780
you're the one in a glory hole, wellfag.

>>15308786

No, hence rockets able to leave planetary gravity wells will remain too expensive for 99% of people

>>15308748
You don't know that
Jello baby worshiping cunts get the rope

>>15308825

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20000025201/downloads/20000025201.pdf

>>15308809
>answers nothing
Spinsects eternally btfo

>>15308833

Not my fault you can't read, gravitroon

Hey spinboys, what if one day true artificial gravity is invented? You know like in sci-fi
Will you still spin your tubes? I think you will. What you really crave is the tube

>>15308847

What does that change, fundamentally? Only the type of habitable Lagrange point megastructures we build. It does not solve the fundamental problem which justifies space mega habitats, the cost of rockets able to escape planetary gravity wells. But that's the level of logic I have come to expect from dirtwalkers.

Does anyone know the current state of manned mars mission planning in NASA? I can't imagine the old DRA 5.0 means much of anything anymore considering a launch vehicle switch and such, but there's not any word of a replacement. I did find some tantalizing hints about a new transit habitat design but it's walled on NTRS :(

>>15308853
>What does that change, fundamentally?
The difficulty of leaving a gravity well.

>>15308853
You ARE a dirtwalker, queer. And deep down you know your tube will never exist, just like your future girlfriend, as well as you ever going above the Karman line.

>>15308866

Difficulty isn't the issue anymore, it's cost. Even with reusable rockets, a rosy estimate of what a ticket to Mars might cost is $500k.

>>15308867

Lol, mad dirtwalker noises. Dial back the emotions woman. That time of the month or what?

>>15308870
With gravity control, who needs rockets?

What would a ticket to Mars cost 30 years from now? Also is SpaceX planning any future launch vehicle to replace Starship? Im wondering if Starship is planned to be used as long as Falcon 9 or if they will just ramp up production and modify the SpaceX as time goes on. Obviously a new launch vehicle would be cool but if its not economically viable then I understand why they wouldn’t.

>>15308874

Oh so now it's not just gravity plating, but antigravity as a means of getting to orbit. I suppose the difference is that O'Neill cylinders are based on proven physics, antigravity is hollywood magic

>>15308875
Modify the Starship*

>>15308877
Define gravity plating.

>>15308886

You do it, it's your fantasy

>>15308890
Not mine, mate.

making all of mars habitable is a sisyphean task, but being a tunnel or hab rat is a fate worse than death. Parateraforming by doming over existing recesses in the ground is the way to go.
I think mariner valley is the best candidate for large-scale settling. A glass ceiling, walls only needed for a few locations, fill it up with air and put some turf and water on the bottom. You could dig cities into the walls of the canyon while leaving the valley itself as a huge chunk of nature (it's not being a tunnel rat if you can walk outside whenever you want).
You'd probably start with Coprates or Ius as they seem the most regularly shaped regions, then work your way out. It would be a massive undertaking and you could only even begin doing it after a few craters have proven the viability of such projects but man I really want it to be a thing already. Just imagine.

While everyone was rping an argument about space colonization, Israel launched a Shavit-2 from Palmachim Airbase carrying the Ofek-13 radar imaging satellite. There was an unusual anomaly early in the first stage burn, but no word yet if that prevented the payload from reaching orbit.

>>15308909
israel is the only entity where I wish their rockets would all fail to reach orbit and ideally blow up on the pad.

O'Neil Donuts

>>15308905

How is living in a dome meaningfully better than living in a giant tube

>>15308912
You dont wish that on the memelaunch companies? Whats wrong with you. The faster good memelaunch companies are absorbed into SpaceX or BO the better.

REMINDER: Any spinsects advocating living in a tube are just making thinly veiled requests for BBC porn.

>>15308924

HRT really did a number on your brain. Then again, you're irrational, moody and ignore sound arguments. Maybe you really are a woman after all?

>>15308870
>ticket to Mars might cost is $500k.
That's because of takes like 17 launches to refuel. Once you have a depot in orbit filled with ISRU methalox, the cost plummets
Maybe that's a way for tubelets to make themselves useful - depot keeping

>>15308909
And another view.

Any ideas about what could explode on the first stage of a solid-fueled rocket that wouldn't make it immediately go Vega-C?

>>15308918
Actual sky, instead of other people's chimneys
View to the horizon possibly
Proper day night cycle, not the sun whizzing around once a minute, or a simulacrum with mirrors or fluorescent lights.

>>15308909
we posted this an hour or two ago

>>15308149
We don't have a commercially available heavy warp drive. FTL is real. FTL has, and you've seen 'em down at Area 51. We're building the wormhole, we're building the wormhole generator. Uh, we have all the Casimir plates already done, ready to be put on the test stand at Vandenberg. Um, but I don't see any hardware for an Alcubierre Heavy e-except that he's gonna take 3 Heavy, 3, 3 Alcubierre drives and put 'em together and that becomes the Heavy.

It's not that easy in quantum mechanics.

>>15308027
>>15308344
Okay yeah thanks bros—I thought it had something to do with the DoD and the new fairing. I guess we’re in too deep to the F9 life cycle now (especially now that Starship is on its way even if it feels slow) but vertical integration seems so interesting for Falcon. In a world where SS didn’t exist and SX were all in on Falcon (including reusable upper stage and whatnot) vertical integration would really open the door for a booster being able to land and fly again on the same day. I bet they would have tried it by now if SS wasn't on the table

orion, but it's launched by superheavy instead of sls

>>15307863
Eh, that's something they can just spam to accomplish.
That's why >>15307934 is a thing.
The crucial distinction between things that China can and can't do is whether it's something that's a challenge purely due to scale or if it's a challenge due to it being trailblazing and having to do something novel.
A megaconstellation is something that requires lots of rockets. It doesn't matter that China will be doing it with expendable hypergolic and solid fuel rockets.
So basically: Megaconstellation? Yes. Moon mission? Probably. Mars mission? Probably not. Starship or Mars colonization? Never.

orion but it’s nuclear bombs instead of a cuck capsule that NASA’s too pussy to even refurbish

orion but it's a NSWR
and it's launched from boca chica

orion but it's spin launched

>>15308993
>Mars colonization? Never.
they'll just build one of those big ass modular ships like you see in the martian

>>15308945
>>15308909
>>15308550
I looked up previous Shavit 2 launch footage, and they have the same "ejection" of about four glowing bodies at the same point in the launch. Perhaps it is ejecting the fins or some canisters used for ignition?

>>15309001
You don't colonize a planet with a "ship"
You have to set up a living, independent settlement.
Chinese lack the Faustian Spirit anyway

>>15309000
Now you’ve gone too far nigger

alcubierre orion

>>15307852
1
There is no other life.
>>15308739
>Humans should live in environments suitable for humans.
Humans should change the environment to be suitable to humans.

Orion but pipebomblets because I don't know how to make nuclear bomblets

Will this animation be straight kino?

https://twitter.com/ryanhansenspace/status/1640802956915232768