/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15300161

garbage edition, kys

>>15300161
>/sfg/ - lets all jack off to children's cartoons together edition

someone start a decent thread, this one is gay trash

janitor cleansing edition I guess

>>15300168
>>15300177
>>15300183

New
>>15300191
>>15300191
>>15300191

Do better jannies

>>15300193
Be quicker faggot I see you doing this shit all the time

>>15300168
>>15300193
lmao

>>15300161
based space booba

Not so fast, baldy

>>15300193
booba hater edition creator on suicide watch lmaoo

>>15300211
how long do these take? ffs

>>15300161
I vote for the cute astronaut sfg OC edition

>>15300211
so what if they can't find the source of the failure

>>15300215
As long as they have to.

https://spacenews.com/cape-congestion-worlds-busiest-spaceport-stretched-to-its-limits/

>That growth is not limited to the Cape. Purdy said that Vandenberg Space Force Base in California, which hosted 11 launches in 2021 and 19 in 2022, could support 42 launches this year. “That’s insane.”

Can Vandenberg really have that capacity?

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/24/rocket-lab-neutron-launch-price-challenges-spacex.html

This was around the middle of the last thread but maybe some missed

>>15300258
Yeah and starship will cost $100. I think i know who im flying on

>>15300262
which one is going to have the cuter flight attendants

>>15300264
Definitely not hobbit lab.

>>15300258
Wouldn't that make F9 still cheaper per ton? I mean if you are launching satellites for constellation then the more you can launch the better it is.

I didn't realize what a bunch of cucks the New Zealanders were

No wonder Rocket Lab left

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/17/new-zealand-mp-says-rocket-lab-launches-could-betray-countrys-anti-nuclear-stance

>A New Zealand commercial space company, Rocket Lab, has faced new opposition to its activities on behalf of foreign militaries, with one New Zealand Green MP saying its actions could fly in the face of the country’s anti-nuclear stance.

In 2019, the New Zealand government banned launch activities that were not in the country’s national interest, or were a breach of both domestic and international laws. The minister for economic and regional development, Stuart Nash, who is also the MP for the area that covers the Māhia Peninsula, has the ability to veto space launches that are not considered to be in the national interest, including payloads that contribute to nuclear weapons programmes or support or enable specific defence, security or intelligence operations contrary to government policy.

But the Green party’s security and intelligence spokesperson, Teanau Tuiono warned last week that it is “unclear when the national interest test should be invoked” and that there is no guarantee the satellites will not be used to assist nuclear programmes.

>“Weaponising space is not in our national interest and goes against our international commitments to ensuring peace in space,” he said.

>“Launching space satellites from Aotearoa could improve the ability of foreign actors to control a nuclear explosive device,” Tuiono said. “But right now, the government is allowing operators like Rocket Lab to put payloads into space for the US Army Space and Missile Defense Command and the US Space Force.”

>Tuiono said that this poses a risk to New Zealand’s nuclear-free stance, which was enshrined in law more than 35 years ago and is considered a defining moment in the country’s history.

I'm sorry but the ASAT F15 thread is better.

>>15300229
Who's flying that much out of Vandy? SpaceX has launched from there five times so far this year, which is definitely a step up, but not enough to get close to 42. Does this include missile tests?

>>15300292
Who the fuck cares about the OP. The first is the first, no matter what it is, and you can make a better one next time. Better than shitting up the board with three separate threads.

>>15300289
Well we all know which country will be left out of the great space race for the next 50 years, what a joke
>>15300292
Don't shit up the catalog just because you're autistic and don't like an OP image, wait until next thread

>>15300292
sorry, planes arent spaceflight

>>15300289
>anti-nuclear stance
leftist faggotry

>>15300289
thats so fucking dumb

>>15300274
It should, by a lot
Falcon 9 is 22.8 metric tons to LEO
Neutron is 13 metric tons (8 might be an old number? or fully reusable)
in the article they talk about directly competing on $/kg, so I'm not totally sure whats going on

>>15300354
https://www.rocketlabusa.com/launch/neutron/
https://www.spacex.com/vehicles/falcon-9/

>>15300211
So it’s the FAA holding them up, not the NTSB? Interesting
Also I use ‘holding up’ very lightly here—it’s not like BO is going anywhere hahah

Post pure cope

>>15300357
Neutron is quite fat.

we're close bros
LESS than two weeks away
i can feel it

>>15300357
Can f9 do 23t with reuse

>>15300354
8 tons was the original goal. They grew the design by a bit and then changed their mind on doing droneship landings.

>>15300361
It's cope, but it is an interesting comparison, at least until you also include that there's no way that Vega ever gets its yearly launch rate up into the double digits.

I guess terran R is going to be a falcon 9 competitor as well

while googling pictures about this, I found an article defending Neutron and it supposedly has a number of advantages compared to falcon 9 and shouldn't be completely obsolete even with starship (I only skimmed to headlines, nothing more yet)

https://erikexplores.substack.com/p/the-big-rocket-showdown-falcon-9

>>15300387
Hard R is going to be a bit bigger than Falcon 9 in terms of thrust and most likely payload

Pic is the redsign

>>15300380
I guess not?
17.4 tonnes for 67mil vs 13 tonnes for 50mil is starting to be quite similar

3.8mil/tonne vs 3.8mil/tonne
its the same lmao

>>15300361
Isn't this just wrong? Wikipedia says they've never had more than 3 Vega launches in a year

>>15300396
forgot this, its from wikipedia

>>15300398
It’s cumulative launches

>>15300387

>>15300404
Wow that's dumb
Also supsiciously not mentioning payload capacity or cost

>>15300414
lol so the first dragon 1 failures show up every year even on falcon 9s track record if you if you don't know its cumulative or that falcon 1 and falcon 9 are completely different
pretty retarded to have them on the same chart in the first place

>>15300396
They really need to hope that Starship doesn't work because it's much closer to delivering payloads than Neutron

>>15300385
Don't think they upscaled Neutron at all. It's still 8 tons with RTLS. It went from 7 to 9 first stage engines, but I'm guessing they made each engine smaller.

>>15300392
IIRC they're aiming for 35t fully expended, so yeah more payload.

>>15300161
space booba

1963-64 CNES Plan for space exploration, based on the supposed development of a P30 booster stage for the army (french stage nomenclature: P = Solid (Powder); L = Liquid (UDMH); H = Hydrogen)

1) Use of Diamant and Régent for exploration missions with 80-200kg satellites et for applied use (weather observation, telecoms)
2) Beginning from 1967; use of the ELDO launcher (proto-Europa) for deep space exploration, particularly circumlunar missions. 1 t in low polar orbit; 100 km to C3=0
3) Beginning from 1972; use of Orion for lunar surface exploration using an automatic lander; deep space missions.

Starting from 1968, there would be one circumlunar mission per year, with a landing in 1973; Also considered were a weather observation satellite to launch in 1967 on Diamant, and a 100kg comsat prototype to launch in 1968-1969 on a national Diamant successor.

The ideas were to develop launchers using Solid Propulsion and Cryogenic propulsion.

Regent would use the 35 tons heavy P30 (30 tons of solid fuel), the P4 RITA and "P1 identical to Diamant's" (I guess P0.64);
P30 was planned for 1967 and test launches were planned for 1968; It could launch 300 kg and be used for different orbits.
The plan recommanded pursuing LH2/LO2 propulsion and required the continuation of Diamant-Hydrogen (Diogene 1). H1 stage was planned for 1965; H2 for 1967 (both could be flight tested on Diogene-1); In 1966 H7 development would be started with a HM6 engine, with flight tests planned for 1970.

Orion would be made of a 3*P30; a H30 S2 using 6*HM6 engines and a third H7 stage using a single HM6. Development would start in 1968 with a planned first launch in 1972-1973.

Pierre Messmer (Minister of the armies) comments: "This is an Appealing plan that I gladly support. But it is expensive and I fear it will be more so than the estimates. One must find an agreement with the government for its funding. This agreement will not be easy to strike"

>>15300168
>>15300177
>>15300183
>>15300193
one for the fellas

>>15300454
Tom of Spacefinland

>>15300387
Neutron, Ariane Next, Terran R all have clear advantages over Falcon 9 (on paper)
These don't have F9's proven reliability and flight experience, so even if they rolled out tommorow, they won't take over .
But just as SpaceX gained market monopoly, they can lose it again if they just stand still.
All the more reason for them to keep pushing on with Starship

When will we expect newspace to start building starship clones?

>>15300470
its going to be pretty cool to have many falcon 9 clones simultaneusly, perhaps Europe can actually do some of the shit the advisory group said with the Ariane Next
then all these companies need to start development of a Starship clone (or perhaps something fully reusable optimized for LEO or the moon instead of Mars)

>>15300472
after it has been demonstrated to work

>>15300470
Yeah, but if not for Starship we probably would have better Flacon flying already.

>>15300470
btw what clear advantages do they have?
all of them use methalox vs falcon 9 RP-1 which I guess makes engine muck buildup less of a problem and thus less inspection/cleaning, but what else?

>>15300361
>Falcon 9
>2014

You're going to look very silly when New Glenn launches before the end of 2025 as I think it will. New Glenn is a massive fucking rocket don't you understand how massive it is? New Glenn is a big deal. The first stage is reusable and they're currently working on a reusable upper stage for it as well. I really do think blue origin could easily take second place right behind SpaceX.

It takes money to compete with SpaceX, blue origin has no problem finding money thanks to Jeff Bezos.

>>15300405
>It's b-b-better than F9 1.0!
>We have simpler landing legs, remember all those t-t-times the F9 landing legs f-f-failed?
Starship says "hi!"

Vulcan will unironically launch before Starship. What a cursed timeline.

>>15300405
Pump that stock bro, you got this

>>15300519
That NET date is from last year. Vulcan wont launch in May whatsoever.
-X

>>15300542
>Vulcan wont launch in May whatsoever
how do you know that?

>>15300536
why do you always same the same thing, I don't own the stock
you want to only talk about SpaceX?
choke on dick dude

>>15300517
Starship is not real.

>>15300475
Europe is gonna be many years behind US and Chinese F9 clones, it's sad.

>>15300564
its pretty funny that New Zealand could have had a F9 clone before Europe if leftists didn't drive rocketlab away

>>15300561
Starship is real
Neutron isn't

>wake up
>*checks calendar*
>Saturday
You best believe the FAA ain't approving shit today

Oh and what's that? Tomorrow is Sunday? Huh. I wonder what I'm going to post about tomorrow, too.

>>15300579
2 weeks

>>15300579
krystal porn?

>>15300492
Methalox is an obvious one.
Rocketlab will have much easier time getting fairings back and the upper stage can be quite a bit more lean
Ariane will have better launch site (from performance perspective) and will be wider, with more fairing space
Terran is supposed to be using stainless steel alloy, so it can do steeper return and will have reusable upper stage like mini starship (unless they changed their mind again)
whether any of these will actually deliver on their promises is another thing entirely
>>15300477
true
Raptor-Falcon would dunk on all of these

>>15300579

>>15300579
Don't forget about Monday, either. FAA employees will still be tired from the weekend, so that's another day.

>>15300258
SpaceX can just advertise that preflown boosters cost $45M and Neutron's market gets cut in half. Its my understanding that the internal cost of the Falcon 9 is basically about $30M. $15M profit is basically a 30% margin per flight. That's pretty nuts.

>>15300608
I've seen some speculation as low as 15mil cost

>>15300405
what an absolute cope, I hope starship absolutely mogs all other nu-space companies

>>15300354
>>15300357
They're more than likely to lose the few boosters when attempting to landing, even though SpaceX has seen a fair amount of talent come and go and cross pollinate in the industry that the risk of landing failures should have been reduced a bit now. As such, any booster landing RUD will lead to delays in their launch paradigm. Which is time they will never get back and is time that SpaceX will use to continue developing Starship further. Couple to that, once Starship starts flying more frequently, SpaceX can continue to drop costs on the F9 to phase it out, while shifting more of the payloads into Starship.

I also strongly suspect that the presence of Starship is going to force the majority of the satellite industry to transition into Starlink/Starshield type designs. Flat busses that optimize for volume, rather than big blocky designs that take up a lot of volume with a lot of "dead weight" to orbit--which further increases risk of orbital debris. Additionally, a flat bus design also means collision risk decreases because the impact surface area is mostly two dimensional relative to an orbital plane as opposed to being three dimensional relative to the orbital plane. I think with Starshield, V2 minis and V2 Starlinks, they're transitioning away from vertical panels to fold out horizontal panels too. That further optimizes for volume and also decreases surface area for collision. I could be wrong on these assumptions though.

But I think I'm probably right. Putting blocky satellites into Moon or Martian orbit in the future is non-ideal, as your mass to orbit is limited. It's better to have a dozen or more flat pancake satellites that you can push to the Moon or Mars, put them at higher than normal orbits (relative to Earth) and accept a little bit of a latency hit, in order to give them a much longer operational life, and then make it easier to use the remainder of fuel (near the EOL phase) to move the satellites into a higher graveyard orbit.

>>15300624
>ran out of characters

Such that you don't increase surface and return to orbit debris from deorbiting impact on the Moon's surface, or litter the Martian landscape with dead satellites. Plus, by moving them to a parking orbit or a graveyard orbit, you can do future flights from Moon to lunar orbit or from Mars to Martian orbit, retrieve the expired satellites and bring them back down. A lot of the "dead" hardware can be recycled into materially useful ore and components or alloy or composites. Which can then be reforged into new hardware or redirected to other in-house capabilities, or be sold back to the market at reduced cost to reclaim some value of the original; as all material launched to and from the Moon or Mars would be precious and being able to recycle any of it, would be immensely valuable for a budding colony there--to further the ISRU initiatives.

Is that a tranny on rgv stream?

>>15300624
>Which is time they will never get back and is time that SpaceX will use to continue developing Starship further
The thing is that Starship is already ahead in development.

>>15300636
what stream?

>>15300405
Comparing a next-generation design to Falcon 9 v1.0 instead of Block5+ is cowardice. It shows a complete lack of confidence in the design, when the comparison should be made against the operational design rather than against something from literally 10 fucking years ago. The point about fixed landing legs is not necessarily a win, as they'll have to reinforce the mounting points of the legs and increase the crush core mass at the tips. Every landing is going to put stress on those welds and at some point, they're going to fail. The hope is for 10-20 launches, but there's a possibility it'll be lower. There's a reason that the rest of the industry is copying SpaceX's fold out legs. Even Blue Origin has fold out legs instead of structurally mounted legs. There might be a little bit more margin gained by having legs directly mounted, but it seems by and large, that the rest of the industry has agreed that the structural integrity risk from landing impact against the fuselage is just not worth it for that extra 1-3% margin probability. Final point is true. A hover-slam is very difficult.

I liove the cope and seething from ESL people about the RD-180

Apparently so many people still the the US is totally reliant on russian for space shit

>>15300655
MOST RELIABLE AND SUCCESSFULLY ROCKET ENGINE

>>15300637
I know. That's my point. Starship, like Falcon, will continue iterating in design and capability improvements. But relative to Neutron, Starship is more design complete than it. RocketLab can't risk having a single RUD along the way, while SpaceX can risk RUDs easily. A Starship RUD would not impact their Falcon 9 and Heavy manifest, as they're completely different engineering class vehicles and fuel types. RocketLab conversely cannot have the same risk, as Electron is incapable of putting up Neutron's payloads; as opposed to Falcon 9 and heavy, that more than likely will co-manifest with Starship--such that in event of a flight risk or payload sensitivity or if customer wants to derisk, they can shift the payload back to Falcon 9.

Worse, I fully expect that SpaceX will begin advertising, internally, to customers a flat price for Starship with a fallback to Falcon 9 at no cost. That they would prefer customers manifest against Starship, but understand that in interest of derisking against payload loss, they have the option of F9 in event of booster availability. This alone, will make it very difficult for RocketLab to compete against.

>>15300655
I checked when the first tests would perhaps be, but seeing this list of companies doesnt really fill me with confidence of them getting this done in the near term

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-announces-nuclear-thermal-propulsion-reactor-concept-awards

>>15300636
no it's a woman
>>15300642
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EzFkoJe9Mg

>>15300668
60 fucking years dude
wtf
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/tdm/nuclear-thermal-propulsion/index.html

>>15300668

>>15300668
The first test of NASA/DARPAs NTP system will be in 4 years

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-darpa-will-test-nuclear-engine-for-future-mars-missions/

Would a Tripropellant LCH4-LH2-LO2 engine be the best for getting to LEO? you get almost methalox like density with up to 420s ISP

>>15300649
>There's a reason that the rest of the industry is copying SpaceX's fold out legs.
Yeah, they're unimaginative cowards who would rather copy something existing than try to innovate. Just because every chinese startup or european powerpoint rocket talks about using SpaceX style legs doesn't mean that they're the optimal solution. They're just the only solution that SpaceX could fit on a rocket descended from the Falcon 9 1.0.

>>15300685
>Tripropellant
>best
No

>>15300691
Just design a Hydrolox vehicle with tiny LCH4 drop tanks.

>>15300289
>a defining moment in the country’s history.
Even Australia has a more impressive defining moment (Eureka Stockade)

>>15300685
>Would a Tripropellant engine be the best for anything
No. The point of that would be to create an engine that was highly efficient under both surface level and vacuum conditions, and the only vehicle that is going to be using the same engine on the launch pad that it does in orbit is an SSTO. Friends don't let friends get hypnotized by that shit.

>>15300685
>would adding complexity do-
no

>>15300700
That's completely wrong, something like the RD-701 was a god tier first stage engine while running on RP-1, O2 and H2 mix. the O2/H2 mode was useless.

>>15300702
The Third propellant's volume is small enough that you can just add a third tank in some intertank structure.

>more scaffolding is being removed
TWO WEE- *ACK*

When will we see commercial launches for Starship?

2024? 2025?

Development seems so slow

>>15300395
the extra heat from nuclear fission is completely incomparable to the extra heating we get the lower albedo from melting ice

>>15300711
that sounds complicated

>>15300713
2 weeks

>>15300707
I'm not. In mode 1 operation the RD-701 was just a hydrogen-cooled RD-180 equivalent. It had slightly better specific impulse in vacuum, but nothing near good enough to give it "god tier" status, especially considering the added complexity in designing and building it.

And the point of a tripropellant engine isn't just to over-design an engine for the first stage. It's to have an engine that can work for both first and second stages because you're using it in an SSTO. Everything else would just go with something simpler and cheaper that was optimized for one set of conditions or the other.

Who will be next to sign the Artemis Accords?

>>15300724
>It had slightly better specific impulse in vacuum
and you get to vacuum very quickly.
This is at least great for any sustainer.

>>15300725
artemis accords is just countries getting in line for the US moon bus
I really, really want the US to put a Japanese on the moon before China gets there

>>15300725
philippines or maybe some euros or morocco. the world is rapidly splitting into two factions again, do don't expect alot of countries to jump on the artemis bandwagon

>>15300711
two tanks is less complex than three

>>15300713
EOY 2023
>>15300725
Taiwan

>>15300725
Bosnia and Herzegovina

>>15300728
>and you get to vacuum very quickly.
That's 100% on the mass of the rocket it's installed in, chief. The RS-68A has a lot of thrust and high efficiency but the Delta IV is still big time slow when it comes to accelerating off the pad.

>This is at least great for any sustainer.
Now it sounds like you're talking about an architecture that flings the whole core 95% of the way to orbit, like the Long March 5 or SLS. Neither of those are overwhelmingly good designs.

>>15300751
RD701 has a great TWR in the 100+ range, thrust isn't that much of an issue.
Sustainer + Flyback booster is still the best architecture for LEO

>>15300760
People called the RD-180 a "super engine" too. Back in the 1990s. These days no one has their jaw on the floor over a high TWR OSRC engine. Jeff Bezos built one as a hobby to make his cock feel bigger.

>Behold! The best architecture for LEO!

>>15300773
That's just because Energomash hasn't been able to develop anything since the fall of the USSR.
It WAS awesome in 1990. it would still be awesome today had it been improved upon.

>scaffolding is being removed
time to post this

>>15300783

>>15300686
That's not cowardice you retard. It's comparison of their flagship rocket with an obsolete Falcon 9 v1.0 design. That hasn't been in use for over 5 years. The Falcon 9 in Hawthorne california and the Falcon 9 in one of the air and space museums are the last of the Falcon 9 v1.0 designs.

>>15300725
Iceland, Germany, Spain, Portgual, the Nordic countries, Netherlands, Ireland, etc. Basically, every reasonable democracy or republic that exists should sign onboard. Gobble up the world so that China and Russia are forced into their own block; and then we can have a proper space race where SpaceX is in a category of its own, and then the Artemis accords and Russia/China are competing for 2nd place.

>>15300211
TICK-TOCK FAAGGOTS

What happened to turkeys space base in Somalia?

>>15300569
Nah, RKLB was always destined to move to either the US or Europe. NZ just doesn't have the amount of capital needed to fund a medium-lift rocket design program.

>>15299731
Here at the exciting launches:
JUICE
Starship OTF in TWO WEEKS
Peregrine Mission One
Electron Venus probe (will probably delay)
Chandrayaan-3
Euclid Telescope
Polaris Dawn
Psyche
GaganYaan Demo Flight
New Glenn Demo Flight (will delay lmao)
GaganYaan Crewed Flight
Starliner-1 (may god protect those poor astronauts)
Blue Ghost
HAKUTO-R Mission 2
SPHEREx
GaganYaan Demo Flight 2
Martian Moon eXplorer
Europa Clipper
Luna 26
Artemis II (will delay lmao)
Griffin Mission One
Xuntian Telescope
DESTINY+
Lunar Polar Exploration Mission (LUPEX)
And there are probably some nice rideshare smallsats but I can't bother looking into every Transporter mission.

>>15300711
luckily rocket engines are not very complicated, so adding another propellant should be easy

>>15300942
less moving parts than a car engines

>>15300454
Big Barotrauma vibes

>>15300738
Na osnovu

>>15300613
That's marginal cost, it doesn't account for engineering overhead or launch site overhead or regulatory overhead or the government stealing your money

>>15300561
Starship stood on its launch table.
Neutron is CGI.

>>15300544
Let's say I'm one of Berger's insiders
-X

>>15300915
NZ has plenty of capital. They lack the will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a07P24atsaw

>>15300560
>>15300561
Bro relax. It's a joke. The stock I mean, dump that shit asap

>>15300725
Who gives a flying fuck, get me off this goddamn rock

So the guy in charge of Alpaca at Dynetics is the same guy who was hand picked by Mike Griffin to lead Ares I and IV development at Marshall Center
His name is Steve Cook so I guess we can kiss that concept goodbye forever

what will be the Martian settler's preferred drug of choice? Methamphetamine, LSD?

>>15301084
coffee

>>15301084
Can-D, then Chew-Z

>>15301086
This probably. I imagine one shipment to Mars would just be a hundred tons of instant coffee, and that would keep the entire colony going for years.

>>15301118
>instant
Italians will provide the espresso coffee machine.

>>15300649
SpaceX is literally 15 years ahead of the next closest competitors, Rocketlab

>>15301121
Will the second stage explode every time? Will it be competitive with Falcon v1.0?

>>15301121
why not just ship highly potent meth. It's less mass

>>15300289
Why do we allow these countries to run themselves?

>>15301084
hooch from hydroponic rice and magic mushrooms

>>15301086
ah
the brazilian way

the martian goon caves

>>15301118
Coffee instant type 1, NICE

>>15301175
Is steve dead? He ate a PLA meal a year ago and then dipped.

>>15301209
ran out of different kinds of MREs

>>15301209
The last I saw of him was when he did some Ukranian rations near the start of that war, so yeah about a year now?

>I have 265 tabs open again

>>15301256
Remember to methodically copy the URLs of your backlog of 4chan tabs over to the archive so they don't 404 when you finally read them in a month's time, and you lose valuable shitposts

>>15300405
>it's better than the initial falcon 1 from 2011
>i-ignore F9 B5 is dominating the 2023 launch market
Holy shit they can't be this retarded, right?

>>15300405
Why are they even comparing it to F9 when it's clear they took the inspiration from starship with the whole complete reuse and stainless steel bits.
It's the Soyuz version of starship.

>>15300405
Neutron seems like a bad name for a rocket. Neutrons are dangerous, difficult to control, and unstable.

So does anyone know if the venutian cloud cities would only work on Venus? Might be useful on the gas giants instead no?

>>15301314
We should build a colony in the sun by utilizing the hydrogen-helium fusion to power the city.

>>15301314
Needs a CO2 atmosphere to float easily using oxygen-nitrogen or H2 as backup.
Gas giants have only hydrogen or helium atmosphere so you're stuck using hot hydrogen which provides very little lifting power in comparison.

>>15301314
Venus’ huge (aka earth-like) gravity already makes it a bitch and a half to settle in because it takes a LOT of energy to leave. I can only imagine how impossible it would be to settle somewhere like the skies of Saturn or Jupiter

>>15301332
The delta-v required just to operate around the Galilean moons is already unacceptably high. Getting off the cloudtops just isn't happening.
>Muh helium 3
Get it some other way, or breed it.

>>15300289
Not only they're faggots but technology ignorant retards, nukes are verboten in space, pretty sure ICBMS work different than orbital roggets and nuclear deterrence is awesome

>>15300517
Kek I remember after that one time a Falcon busted a landing leg in 2016, BO was acting all proud of themselves for putting six legs on New Glenn for redundancy.

>>15301361
>pretty sure ICBMS work different than orbital roggets and nuclear deterrence is awesome
Not in any meaningful sense. Early orbital rockets were basically juiced ICBMs. But the kiwis are full of shit anyway because some random company doing civilian launch vehicles isn't going to be massively improving an already settled ICBM engineering question. The requirements for both use cases are so different it's absurd.

>>15301361
>>15301374
It's probably just Chinese controlled MPs desperately trying to do their master's bidding

>>15301299
It's not complete reuse, it has a small second stage and the fairings are attached to the first stage.

>>15301299
it's carbon composite

>>15300649
>welds
Neutron's entire first stage body will be carbon fiber.

>>15300713
2025.

>>15300921
Europa Clipper and JUICE are actually really exciting - too bad they won't reach the Jovian system until 2030.

>>15301533
If they used Plasma Magnet they could be there in 30 days, and enter orbit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIKIzl-h3Qo
Good morning, gentlemen.

>>15301548
>everyone posting GOOD MORNING in chat

>>15301550
I love the Indian space program so much. They don't do a lot, but everything they do is a gift.

>>15300914
Ditto

when are India building their own heavy launch vehicle to rival sls for trans Luna and Mars exploration?

>tranny faggot propaganda edition
hidden
enjoy your slow as shit, boring /sfg/ with no good content or posters, see you next time

>>15301362
I know Falcon 9 optimization is done,but I wonder if they could land on 3 legs at 120°

>>15301559
That's on the back burner until after the Gaganyaan and GSLV-4 are operational. Capsule development is eating a lot of their budget right now.

Biden FAA pick is OUT OUT OUT dont give him his jacket!

>>15301551
The color of Gaganyaan is my favorite. Wonder why they didn't compete for more OneWeb launches considering they are a partial investor.

>>15301561
?????

>>15301577
/pol/ brainrot, many such cases

pls, don't fail this time sirs

>>15301575
It's been stated that GSLV-3 can fly five launches per year, but it seems like there's a lot of lead time in getting the parts and assembly lined up. Losing Soyuz prompted a scramble that the ISRO just wasn't quite nimble enough to take advantage of.

>>15301584
>GSLV-3 can fly five launches per year
ahh, just like Starship then

>>15301550
Everyone is so kind and they are all wishing luck to ISRO/India. I wish every comment section on space related live streams were like that, instead of being absolutely flooded with a gorillion comments of "space fake" and "where stars", ahhh

>>15301118
I hate instant coffee

That water tower is so wacky

Jai Hind

FIRST STAGE PERFORMANCE NARMAL

>>15301596
SUCCESSFUL LONCH

>>15301592
Only white launches get those sort of spam comments, because they're a deliberate plan to demoralize the white space program

It's going above the line?

>live feed of rocket filmed from the mission control screens
>that stage sep
sovl

just want to announce I ordered Indian food for this launch

>>15301599
Looks like slight overperformance from the SRBs, yeah

I see the rocket is once again doing a dogleg around water that definitely doesn't have anything in it

>>15301598
Not everything is a pol conspiracy, anon, sometimes people are just retarded, whether they are from a white-majority country or not.

>>15301610
>Not everything is a pol conspiracy, anon

>>15301605
usually they go under the line lmao
>>15301603
good dinner sir

>>15301599
It's always ulcer time trying to figure of if something's off with the rocket or it's just a glitch in their tracking systems.

UH OH

>>15301603
Indian food is so dank

>>15301584
An entire nation can't get a rocket they make to launch more than 5 times?!
Any idea what the bottleneck is? Solid casting?

>>15301613
Vega launches have conditioned me to fear whenever I see these charts.

RUD when

(indian flag emoji)x3

I WILL SAVE PAKISTAN AND DESTROY INDIA

>altitude dropping
it's over, india is finnish

sovl launches, always love ISRO launches

>>15301304
>Neutrons are dangerous, difficult to control, and unstable.
neutrons are none of these things?

What language do they speak? Seems to be a mixture of English and something else

>>15301631
15 minute half-life when outside the nucleus
Cannot be directed by magnetic fields or any of the usual methods
Highly penetrating and WILL ruin your afternoon

Today was a good day bros

>streaming in 1080p
Huh, it's that easy in livestreamry

>>15301617
I don't think it's ever been plainly stated, but it could be. India does seem to have a well-established solid fuel casting industry for the PSLV and their ballistic missile program but their could be issues with the S-200s monopolizing too much raw material.

My first guess would be something related to the liquid engines. Demand for the GSLV-3 has been very low historically, so the production line for the CE-20 might not be set up to move easily from bespoke to mass production.

Will ISRO eventually develop a F9 clone? I think it would be great for them

>>15301533
I want outer solar system Starship missions so fucking much

ISRO launches are so chaotic lmao

>>15301653
but they get their job done
unlike the vega

>>15301654
fairs

HE SAID IT

>>15301658
NO BENCHODS TODAY

India > Japan
fight me

>>15301643
They’re making a grasshopper style vehicle ADMIRE (powered by a throttled vikas!) with the NGLV (22-25 tons to LEO) in mind, but for now they’re focused on the capsule and upgrading GSLV

>>15301666
Weird that they’re testing vtvl with a vikas while the future launchers will use the SCE-200 kerolox engine

What should Falcon 9 class partially reusable vehicle be called? Falcon 9 - clone is kind of dumb and long

>>15301675
Boostback VTVL S1-Partially reusable monocore heavy/medium launcher

>>15301665
Japan still has the better missions so far

>>15301680
doesnt really roll off the tongue

>>15301561
anti-anime is anti-white

>>15301680
BVTVLFSPRMH/ML

or reusable monobooster

>>15301726
phoenix class rockets lel

>>15301726
>BVTVLFSPRMH/ML
very concise, intuitive, and clear acronym
>reusable monobooster
soulless and unnecessarily technical

>>15301318
RIP the dream, Venus is such a lame planet to be forced to have a cloud city on.

>>15301751
You could do one on Titan. Just keeping your habitat hot enough to survive would give you a nice hot-air balloon effect. Low gravity too. Titan is a shithole though unless you're exporting Nitrogen.
You could also do one on Mars kinda. H2 liftbags would do the trick.
>but 10 mBar pressure
It's fine, just up the bag volume by 100. That's not so bad.

>>15301791
>Low gravity too
My mistake, gravity isn't important when it comes to floating cities. Only atmospheric density.

>>15301599
I'M BOOOOSTING

>>15301559
Never

What's happened in the past two weeks?

>>15301791
The thing with Titan is that you have oceans of methane to work with, and its not an issue to go on the ground. It would just be easier and more cost efficient to set up a ground base than a floating one. Plus, on Titan you would want to be near the ground/oceans instead of away from them. The only places in the solar system you would need a floating base is uniquely Venus, and the gas giants, with the gas giants being unsuitable due to their mostly hydrogen atmospheric composition. A floating base is a uniquely Venutian solution. If only the compositions were different :(

>>15301813
Proonted rogget joins second stage failure club

>>15301813
Lots of OLM welding and a couple new boosters finally got stacked to completion.

At least the OLM scaffolding is being removed

>>15301814
Ok what's on Venus we can use? Any reason to be there? What about atmospheric gases?

Hey anons I saw this copy pasta in an older /sfg/ and wanted to know what the ones greentexted are/resources on them. Also yes that is your newfag alarm going off, make sure to sleep it just for now

Based
>Plasma magnet sail chads
>NTRchads (who understand the political hurdles that nuclear would have to overcome)
Titan appreciators
Starlink supporters (who understand that it is necessary to fund Mars colonization)
People who mock seething astronomers crying about muh night sky
Massive lunar radio telescope on the dark side of the moon supporters
Lunar centripetal force induced parabolic liquid-mirror telescopes connoisseurs
>FOCALchads who will allow direct imaging exoplanets
Starship militarizers who will attach SAMs and transport ODSTs to any corner of the earth in half an hour
Jovian moon subsurface ocean explorers
Those who acknowledge that ITS had the superior aesthetics and BFR had the superior name
Those who know that while Elon may give an optimistic date at times to inspire his workers and the general public, he will ultimately deliver and is the successor of von Braun
Mars and Titan drone supporters
skylab reminiscers
Inflatable module chads
Centrifugal force gravity orbital station useful to measure the effects of less than 1G but greater than microgravity on the human body constructors
>Starship 1km long tether for artificial gravity chads
Mars independence supporters
Artificial magnetic fields for deployment on surface bases of jovian moons
Mars lava tube settlers

>>15301825
Heres the other half of the copy pasta

cringe
O'neillfags
Prooonters
Doomers
“Why go to space when we have problems on Earth"fags/ climate doomers
>Venusian Cloud Balloon posters
>Aerospike truthers
>SSTO truthers
>Balloon/ airplane/ Mt. Everest launch advocates
>Nuclear-only 'solar will never work on Mars' autists
anarcho-primitivists return to monkefags
flat earthers/ space is fake posters
> tictac believers
>space elevator/ carbon memeotube/ launch loop mega structure tards
>lavatubers
transhumanists/ 'bro why explore space just become a machine'fags
don't change the planet, change the human genome posters
terraformers
>paraterraformers
>Muh atmosphere muh Mars has no magnetic field alarmists
‘Musk is a fraud' TSLA shorters
oldspace boomers
BO "slow and steady"tards
Ironic shitposting Boing/ SLS/ Lockmart shills
Unironic Boing/ SLS/ Lockmart cost-plus defenders
Butthurt Russians/ Chinese nationalists
Europoor ESA/ Arianne defenders
>4ASS posters
"Why send people a robot will do a better job"tards
>EMDrive truthers
Planetary protection never explore anywhere smoothbrains
>FTL or busters
Suspended animation/ generation ship fags
>Zubrinite mini-starship demanders
>jellobaby alarmists
You have to go to the moon firsters
/r/SpaceXMasterrace redditors
"A private corporation shouldn't control spaceflight, we need an accountable government"shills
Space travel is white privilege/ colonialism/ racism and SpaceX and NASA need more diversity fags
anthropomorphized rocket anime waifu posters
>dolphin sexers
>Sea Dragon autists
Orion autists

>>15301823
There isnt, thats what makes it so shit, I mentioned this earlier here
>>15301751
Thats why I was thinking maybe if it was possible on gas giants then there would be a reason to make one but there just isnt, so we’re stuck with do nothing on human spacetravel/colonization on Venus until we basically lock down Jupiter and Saturn with nowhere else to search for useful resources.

>>15301836
Or just life, Venus isnt a stepping stone to anything and unfortunately that means it will probably be left in the dust until theres nothing more left to explore. The technology you create specifically to live there cant be imported to any other body in the solar system and it has no immediatly accesible resources, it has no purpose in moving forward, its basically confirmed to have no life, so theres no point in going other than curiosity.

>>15301836
We got Mars, Titan, Moon, and Venus. Everything else is ridiculous for cost to benefit, and if Titan wasn't so based of an object it would be ruled out from distance alone. If the earth was going to explode, Titan would be the only place potentially sustainable with current tech.

>>15301825
>Based
>Mars lava tube settlers
>>15301834
>Cringe
>lavatubers
Explain yourself

>>15301851
Its not my copypasta! Im just copying it from the other thread to find out what some of these I didn’t know about are.

>>15301845
>If the earth was going to explode, Titan would be the only place potentially sustainable with current tech.
Are you out of your fucking mind? What possibly do you have in mind when making such an insane claim? The fact that it has an atmosphere?
>No metals
>No oxygen
>No fuel
>Little sunlighy
>Endless cold
>Virtually no gravity
What are you fucking thinking? If Earth is a wash, Mars is the only planet that remotely presents a solution.
No seriously, you must have had something in mind to make such a claim. What is your "Titan colonization with current tech" scenario?

>>15301834
Oops didnt mean to highlight lavatubers ignore that one

>>15301825
> Plasma magnet
theoretical propulsion method that doesn't use propellants, but it hasn't been tested yet to confirm it, would need to have a probe/test vehicle outside the earths magnetosphere, at this point its just been tested in a vacuum chamber on earth
it works by creating a magnetic field using superconducting magnets that just became industrially manufactured and this magnetic field gets pushed by the solar wind (and can be used to slow down when coming into strong magnetic fields like jupiter, or even artificial magnetized shit that is shot at the vessel)
with dynamic soaring, you could reach 1-2% speed of light without any propellant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_magnet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_soaring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eFD_Wj6dhk

>NTR
nuclear thermal propulsion, something NASA is looking into now, I've seen some calculations that its probably not as good at it sounds
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-darpa-will-test-nuclear-engine-for-future-mars-missions/

> FOCAL
use the sun as a gravity lens, you have to get to like 500 AU
https://www.inverse.com/innovation/gravity-telescope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_gravitational_lens
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOCAL_(spacecraft)

>Starship 1km long tether for artificial gravity chads
connect two starships together with a tether and make them spin to get artificial spin gravity
pic related
https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/gdld6q/starships_in_1500m_tether_formation_leaving_to/

>>15301856
I was about to post the same thing but got side tracked, yeah Titan is probably the worst place to go for surviving doomsday, but if we’re talking cost to benefit ratio only then he’s right in saying Titan is the best. Free rocket fuel, but first we gotta figure out how to launch shit there, plus there are many stepping stones before we get out that far so he’s got his priorities mixed

>>15301841
Venus actually has a couple of nice properties if you have a plasma magnet sail based interplanetary economy. It's close to the sun (thus close to all the other planets), and has a thick atmosphere with no magnetosphere, so you can use sails and aerobraking to capture into whatever orbit you want for basically no propellant cost, then just turn on the sail again to head back away from the sun when your direction vector and launch window are right. This means you'd want orbital infrastructure and maybe cloud cities as a sort of systemwide transshipment hub with no local resources, like Singapore.

>>15301859
Thanks! That plasma magnet seems the most interesting

>>15301852
In that case, I can help with
>Artificial magnetic fields for deployment on surface bases of jovian moons
Look up the work of Ruth Bamford. She demonstrated that a magnetic field deflects neutral plasma much better than expected, because if deflects electrons easily, which then form an electrostatic field that deflects the positive ions much more efficiently than a simple analysis would suggest. She also demonstrated that this effect explains the Lunar Swirls, regions of the lunar surface which seem untouched by the solar wind, associated with magnetic anomalies. Transits of the Lunar Surveyor probe matches her predictions of a sharp cutoff of the solar wind - a shielded bubble.
Attached is a good summary paper.

>>15301859
Point of order: it doesn't actually need superconducting magnets if you have a large enough constant source of power, so an onboard RTG stack or nuclear reactor for the outer system, or solar panels from the sun out to the main belt. Superconductors are just a bit more power efficient.

>>15301859
>I've seen some calculations that its probably not as good at it sounds
Yeah it kinda sucks unless you optimise it. If you use the reactor for power, which you then use to boost the exhaust velocity electromagnetically, it starts to make sense.
I like the worked examples on this blogpost:
http://toughsf.blogspot.com/2019/09/nter-nuclear-thermal-electric-rocket.html

>>15301877
This is actually good because superconductors don't tend to tolerate AC very well, which the device requires.

>>15301834
>Venusian Cloud Balloon posters
fags wanting to build venusian cloud balloon cities, youve seen some of that shit in this thread
and yes, its cringe and retarded and gay
what would actually make sense is to build a big mirror or sunscreen between the sun and venus to cool down the atmosphere of venus so that it solidifies and rains down on the surface (mainly (95%) CO2 ice), this ice can then be buried underneath the surface or ferried somewhere else like mars to then terraform venus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Venus

>Aerospike truthers
people droning on about aerospikes, they just aren't worth it, would perhaps make sense on a SSTO but SSTOs are gay and cringe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerospike_engine
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8aHjQGbv6w4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4SaofKCYwo

>SSTO truthers
Single-stage to Orbit launch vehicle
just doesn't make sense on earth due to the rocket equation, might make sense on less massive bodies like mars

>Balloon/ airplane/ Mt. Everest launch advocates
completely retarded, the added complexity does not justify the slight theoretical advantage of launching a bit higher in the atmosphere
most of the dV to get to orbit is about radial velocity anyway (horizontal compared to earth)
virgin galactic and virgin orbit are the latest example of this failure
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/20/virgin-orbit-looming-bankruptcy-deal-talks.html

>Nuclear-only 'solar will never work on Mars' autists
solar is like 1/3 the energy for the same area at Mars, but still works fine

> tictac believers
actually don't know what this is

>space elevator/ carbon memeotube/ launch loop mega structure tards
either not just possible physically or too much upfront cost to justify the existence, some of the theoretical costs of these systems might even be made obsolete by starship lmao (like launch loop I think, not sure though)

post ur best /sfg/ memes i want a collection

>>15301870
Yeah the plasma magnet's real secret is inducing a large controllable vortex of electrons in the solar wind. If this works, you could do all sorts of things with it. Shields, collecting solar wind for some useful purpose, even setting up a huge belt of conducting plasma circling Mars to give it an artificial magnetosphere.

>>15301891
>tictac believers
>actually don't know what this is
Remember this?

>>15301856
>>15301856
Let's assume for the scenario if the earth was ending that humanity can't just live on the moon and scavenge necessary resources from Earth. Sure you could take all current tech bet everything on Mars and it would probably go ok, mostly because we have the most study with it. Titan on the other hand were you to bring reliable fission able to process hydrocarbons and ice into all the resources you need it probably has a higher living standard capacity than Mars. Metals would be rough but solvable, perhaps by making your initial colonization vehicle a boosted asteroid. I feel like with Mars relying on scraping together necessary metals for solar panel upkeep or fissiles could be rough in such a scenario. If you had a working reactor on Titan you have no resource pressure besides living space and fissiles. I think just thinking about each of them as a closed system trying to self sustain, Titan may be more stable albeit with costlier and riskier start up.

It's hard to properly express how much I hate Earthers

>>15301904
Specify which type right now

>>15301880
>the electrodeless electromagnetic section includes a full page diagram demonstrating the ELF thruster
Nuke fed kg/s scale ELF thruster arrays with monatomic hydrogen propellant would be insanely good. Like I think you could mimic most sublight maneuvers and weapons systems from Babylon 5 Earthforce craft with sufficiently compact reactors.

>>15301834
>lavatubers
not sure why this is in the cringe category as mars lava tube settlers is in based category

>paraterraformers
actually based, means you dome over mars for instance and then terraform underneath these artificial domes
quicker and easier
the distinction between a large habitat and paraterraforming is also not very clear

>Muh atmosphere muh Mars has no magnetic field alarmists
people that think mars can't be colonized because it has no magnetic field and atmosphere which prevent harmful radiation on earth
this is retarded because you can prevent harmful radiation by literally stacking some dirt on the habitat lmao

>4ASS posters
actually dont know

>EMDrive truthers
electromagnetic drive, a crank drive that doesnt actually work, but if it did, it would be one without propulsion, so pretty nice if it did (it doesnt though)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive

>FTL or busters
retards that think there is no point colonizing or exploring space before FTL is invented

>Zubrinite mini-starship demanders
robert zubrin has proposed to use a miniature Starship for a mars mission (pic related for example)
I would argue its a waste of development time
https://twitter.com/robert_zubrin/status/1256571091100725249

>jellobaby alarmists
not completely sure, but probably people concerned with children that grow up in low or zero gravity and become fucked up, unable to come back to earth ever for instance
I don't know, could be the case, we haven't done the research on this, but in any case even if it was true, I think we should still colonize mars
if martians can't come down to earth, so what? it is what it is
there will probably be spacers at some point that can't go into any appreciable gravity wells at all

>dolphin sexers
err

>Sea Dragon autists
people talking about the sea dragon, a big dumb rocket concept
not sure about why this is a thing on the list

>>15301915
Dolphin sex refers to a proposed architecture for the space shuttle with one or two manned lifting body flyback boosters. The name describes how it would look on the pad.

>>15301915
You are a big dumb newfaggot if you don't know what all of those are.

>>15301915
Thanks so much for your help, its nice to know allot of these but most sound retarded or like dead ends.
>>15301859
But speaking of long tethers, what about space tethers/hooks? I know that space elevators are kinda similar but theyre different enough to acknowledge the distinction. Whats wrong with these? Video linked if you dont know what I’m talking about https://youtu.be/dqwpQarrDwk
(Yes I know its kurzgefaggot but theyre space related videos are really good and Im not gonna ignore quality)

>>15301926
I knew what lavatubers (see >>15301858), jellobabies (didnt know slang), FTL (didnt know what FTL meant but know faster than light), and no magnetic field alarmists (didnt connect the dots in head) were, and I also told you I was a newfag here >>15301825.

>>15301891
There are two things that if we could do them, Mars and Venus would both be awesome:
1. use a portal gun on Venus then Mars and let the atmosphere blow through
2. swap their orbital positions

>>15301897
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos
oh
I kind of ignored that stuff entirely

>>15301921
oh yeah that, kind of slipped my mind
but isnt that generally more about two stage spaceplanes than just the space shuttle or is it about a specific configuration?

>>15301906
The only type of Earther is the one who isn't willing to accept that developing humanity's presence in space should be the top priority of our public and private institutions.

>>15301813
NASA is busy scaring the already COVID-depleted planetary science field (proposal pressure is MASSIVELY down) half to death by essentially canceling the next Discovery and SIMPLEx mission selection

I cannot comprehend how a simple schedule slip caused this absolute massive and continually ongoing trainwreck but in my mind's eye I can see someone moving Psyche back on a Gantt chart and swearing a blue streak as they find out just how much shit depends on facilities or resources Psyche is monopolizing as long as it is on the ground

>>15301951
I agree with hating Earthers but would also like to point out flerfers share this name

>>15301930
nothing wrong with space tethers, even musk has said that they might be worth pursuing eventually I think, you just need enough mass going up and down to justify the upfront cost
can't find the source after a few minutes of googling so I might be confusing him with someone else

>>15301859
Nunchuck Starships!

>>15301926
so what is 4ASS?
some memes have a lifetime of like a few months, so taking 6month breaks from here when nothing is happening means you can miss some stuff

>>15301955
It really is a huge shit show. Makes me think solar system study is going to eat dirt until SpaceX gets cost down enough for groups of universities to front mission bills.

>earf shuttle docks
>hands where I can see em
>where's the goddamn ore belter scum
>he-here u go sirs
>next time don't turn off your transponder
>here's some food and meds
>hehe yes sirs thank u sirs vive earf

Later..
>I hate earthers so much it's unreal

>>15301963
What if you could build rockets based on MSPaint drawings?

(There's actually a dude who posts in these threads about his hobbyist rocket engine projects)

>>15301963
The 4chan Aeronautics and Space Society is where /sfg/ does original research. Its most notable achievements are a sounding rocket crewed by Pepe Gagarin reaching the stratosphere, a well researched report on space agriculture ( https://www.docdroid.net/uGf3k1F/sfg-anon-2021-r1-pdf ), and a series of horrifying engine proposals that would make Glushko shit himself while screaming.

>>15301972
Earthers sounds so gay… terrans is better and fits with the roman name theme of all the planets

>>15301986
The word Earthers is to allow easy replacement of other words that end in -ers.

>>15301986
That's because Earthers ARE gay
That's why they stayed on Earth.

>>15301988
I kekd

>>15301982
>>15301983
oh its that, I just wasn't familiar with the acronym
Its been a while since the last DIY engine post, I wonder if he blew up

So… CNSA or NASA first to get a base on the moon?

>>15302001
Nobody has anything even remotely approaching the launch capacity or technical maturity for continuous lunar surface habitation, so at best you're going to get a mission that lasts a lunar day (TWO MORE WEEKS) and everyone goes home or back up to Gateway at night. Without its own orbital outpost China is limited to Apollo-tier short stays

>>15302004
Is the CNSA somehow restricted from making their own Gateway?

>>15302005
No, but without any obvious military application is CNSA going to get the money for such a thing?

>>15302004
NASA just needs to develop beamed solar power in lunar orbit to handle nightside power and then they could spam expendable Starship landers as wet workshop habs.

>>15301986
Speaking of which, people who live on the Moon are going to be stuck as Loonies, aren't they? Every alternative is too clunky.

>>15301986
blame your stupid language

>>15301983
we make space science mission proposals too

>>15302004
The whole point is a base at the south pole for those sweet poles of eternal light. Power and daylight won't be an issue. In fact the base will be more comfy than Gateway, since you have regolith for free oxygen.

>>15302013
More likely to be Lunarians. Speaking of which, Io inhabitors will be Ionians and that makes my brain angry. Fuck LoL

>>15302020

>>15302026
We already got saturnians lole

>>15302026
Urinals, Plutons

>>15302026
what about people inhabiting large asteroids and other dwarf planets?
People living in O'neill Cylinders permanently (orbiting planets but also lets say in lagrange points and cyclers)

>>15302026
Heres another for moons, also Ceres is the best dwarf planet fuck anyone who says otherwise

>>15301982
Shit, what happened to engineanon? Was he finally killed by his experiments.

>>15302034
Fuck forgot to link it
>>15302032
Ill ask it that now

>>15302032
>People living in O'neill Cylinders permanently
Tubecucks

>>15302026
Venusians will prefer to be called Cytherians but no one will actually use that.

>>15302040
Did someone say TUBES

>>15302020
>Lunarian
Exactly, too clunky. Four fucking syllables, absolute trash garbage.

>>15302037
>>15302032
I like Enceladites, stationers, and belters was already mentioned

>>15302043
Now that's an older meme

>>15302041
Everyone will call them venereals as a joke.

>>15302045
lunarian fits better, selenites sounds gay ngl.

>>15302046
>KBOians
>Stationarians
I think I see how this thing works

>>15302040
lol this reminded me of the scifi novel jac glass
something like a trillion people living in massive balloons in orbit around various places, living on planets is going to be a luxury and even living in artificial habitats with simulated gravity like O'neill Cylinders is going to be a luxury too
the vast amount of poors live in basically balloons filled with air, billions die when these pop

>>15302052
Hey its a pretty common name and works for allot of them, not all are winners. I think belters would be best for both belts though. Stationers is also a winner

>Moonies
>Martians
That's all that matters in practice. Anyone else (eg station living) will be called a Spacer

>>15302043

>>15302057
Spacer sounds stupid, just like earther. It will not catch on.

>>15302051
This is exactly what I'm saying, nobody will want to say either. Loonie, as ridiculous as it sounds, rolls off the tongue.

>>15302060
Loonie will be used like how people say burgers instead of americans, official name will be lunarian, loonie will probably be shorthand or their version of nigger

>>15302059
it will catch on as an insult

>>15302062
I will start calling whatever sheboon they land on the moon a loonie then.

I will be the first Ganymedean

>>15302058
kek

>>15302046
Last one, it seems like all the places that would be backwoods (belts, space stations, independent orbits) are getting the more simplistic names like belters, stationers and orbiters.

>>15302074
More like Gaynymeader.

>>15302079
True, Gaynymeade settlers are overcompensating

>>15302075
>man I hate these fucking hicks, always hangin around the depots bumming money
>GO BACK TO WHATEVER SHITTY LITTLE ASTEROID YOU CAME FROM BELTER!!

>>15301972
Damn he did it way better than me

Merican
Benusian :DD
Faggot
Moony
Marsy
Jupiton/Jugalo
Saturlite
Anal
Neptunese
Plüpian

>>15302087
>faggot
Thank you

All space dwellers will be called AMERICANS because AMERICA will conquer space.

>>15302103
They will be called Saxons

>>15302103

>>15302103
And in the proper AMERICAN tradition the colonies will thumb their noses at the homeland and tell King George to get bent

>15302108
Shit up a different thread youre not getting my (You)

>>15302061
Ayo did that earthboy just say luny with a hard Y? Fuck that, me and my lunas finna mess him up

>>15302108
There is a new Prince George in the line of succession so really this will mean British newspace gets a roggs surprise.

>>15302108
based

>>15302114
Dont encourage it

>>15302122
PUTA

>>15302108
But their homeland is USA, not UK.

>>15301983
and piss-locks

>>15302051
mooninites

>>15302032
>>15302040
space gypsies. The flag shows it to be true.

>>15301893

>>15302173

>>15301893

>>15301256
Those are some big numbers

>>15301580
k tranny

>>15302194
anime weebsite

>>15302109
seethe

>>15301893
I have a lot, so I'm just going to post the first three I find.

>>15301893

>>15301893

>>15302239
lol bing is a piece of shit
I tried to summarize this thread at kagi but apparently it needs a signup and is a paid service? fucking gay

>>15302249
oh I get it now, it refuses to summarize the thread not because it cant do it, but because bing has been blocked from searching for NSFW content and all of 4chan is marked as NSFW

for instance it had no problem summarizing the nasa website article about NTR

>>15302043
What's the context for these comics? They seem weirdly specific.

oh boy

>>15302266
kek

>>15301893
I have a truly huge amount, and even more/older stuff on my pc.

>>15302260
metroid

>>15301893
I have this

>>15301893

>>15302278
>>15302286
these are not good.

>>15302278
>>15302286
>>15302293
These are not good.

>>15302293
>>15302295
(You) are (Not) good

>>15302040
tubers

>Archimedes will breathe its first fire next year
- Peter Beck, 2. December 2021

someone post hop when. I don't have it on my laptop.

>>15302323
We haven't even seen a gas generator test from RL. It's so fucking over

>>15302326
Oh wait it's ORSC now LMAO

>>15302323
>Starship will launch to orbit in 2 weeks
- Elon Musk, August 2021

>>15302324
i gotchu

>>15302295
>pic
And he wasn't wrong, spaceX waited years for that approval and all FAA could spare them was like…5 flights??? Lmao

SpaceX will ask for more later of course, but we know how long it will take the FAA to approve that addendum

>>15302087
Felonius Huskrat

>>15302194
Replace the estrogen with an AR-15, the scissors with the federalist papers, and the shirt with a Captain America logo and you've got me
>>15302245
This is my favorite image

Will they get their launch cadence up?

>>15302074
>Gaynemede
I'm sure you're qualified

>>15302040
>>15302159
Planetcuck well dwellers will call us 'Sir' or 'Master'

>>15302110
>me and my lunas finna mess him up
A teenage girl from Earth could beat up low-g chumps without breaking a sweat

>>15302595
anon... you do realize that tubecucks all die if a significantly big one of these happens right?

>>15302623
Why would a CME kill spinchads? Explain the mechanism

>>15302623
anon... you do realize that groundcucks all die if a significantly big one of these happens right?

>>15302595
According to the space gypsy's logic we should all live in the sea on huge boats because we already transport most of our stuff through the sea, and there's little islands we could use for resources. It's also many times more energy and fuel efficient to move through the sea than through the air or on land.
Zubrin was right about O'neillites.

>>15302635
It's a solar flare anon. You die because it irradiates and EMP's you. we do not know how to predict them. They're also more likely than >>15302641 and don't give you free rare metals. can't find footage but there's a collage of a massive one recently being pretty dense all the way out to mars.

>>15302654
just surround the O'neill cylinder with ice
its that easy

>>15302654
>You die because it irradiates
No because the spinhab mass is enough to block galactic cosmic rays down to a safe level so puny 500 km/s protons are a joke
>and EMP's you
the problems CMEs cause on Earth are due to it deforming the magnetosphere and inducing current flows; spinhabs have no magnetosphere
>>15302645
Well dweller gibberish, enjoy cooking in your own waste heat

That's a cute french hydrolox engine
4kN thrust for a Diamant upper stage, what a tiny stage for LH2.

This book (about French Hydrolox engines) is extremely rare, somehow someone got it and I'm trying to make him scan it

>>15302672
>that pic
low effort bait.

>>15302678
>book doesn't have an ISBN or any reference, is only ever *mentioned* in a single paid scientific article and has a blurry cover.
French astronautics can sometime be as secretive as pre-glasnost soviet one for some reason.

>>15302679
cope

>>15302672
>we will require masses of earth or water to even begin to adequately shield a mars colony from solar radiation, despite mars being quite a distance from the sun.
>but don't worry guys, the spinhab will be okay!
The only people dumb enough to fall for O'Neill's grift are guys like Jeff Bezos and (you).

>>15302641
We will be using you belters for the manual labor of getting the asteroid diverted and you know one of them would do it

>>15302702
>we will require masses of earth or water to even begin to adequately shield a mars colony from solar radiation
incorrect