/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15296627
Man, I wish space exploration was as interesting as conspiracies like Apollo 20 or Project Red Sun.

:3

/sfg/ is better at staging than actual rockets.

where he goin

>>15296640
YWNBAW

> Arabs will put a lander on the Moon before Israel does
lmao

> NASA is citing cold fusion research
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20210016143/downloads/NASA-TM-20210016143final.pdf
wtf soientists told me that was crank bullshit

>>15296650
Not so fast, UAE just lost their spot on Chang’e-7 because of boomer ITAR rules lmao

When will we get an AI that automates the entirety of Relativity?

>>15296661
2030, cold fusion

>>15296661
>wtf soientists told me that was crank bullshit
They say that about a lot of inconvenient things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvPcY3SrgAs
5 hours

>>15296746
hail satan

>>15296661
That's just from NIAC ie the designated grifter containment program. See also Plasma Magnet.

>>15296785
>Plasma Magnet
>grift
?

>>15296808
Greason is a big fat grifter who picked up one of John Slough's off-hand ideas and has run with it as far as he can.
Rather than focusing on validating the basic principle, he treats it as established without testing and leapfrogs ahead to spinning fanciful tales of Q-Drive, dynamic soaring, and interstellar travel.
It might work, or might not, but the present hoopla is nothing but a funding grab.

>>15296783
That’s not funny even as an edgy joke

>>15296746
It's very clearly a ram horns.

>>15296810
How is he going to test it without funding?

>>15296746
>tesla with horns
>builds factory in texas
>Musk wear cowboy hats
>spacex has cows in background of rockets flying
>tesla sells ironing rods

I didn't see anyone mention that SpaceX offered the DoD a sweetheart deal on 800 Starshield sats in the last thread or this one.

>>15296896
well post the news then faggot

>>15296921
SpaceX has offered the DoD a sweetheart deal on 800 Starshield sats.

>>15296921
https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1638642563476496384?t=7txUPKzgPC4X3pajNOZcmw&s=19

>>15296896
sir, this is a Relativity general

>>15296929
https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1638642563476496384?t=7txUPKzgPC4X3pajNOZcmw&s=19

>>15296944
https://sam.gov/opp/3e3eb41990ef4098b893b10cd6d297b6/view

>>15296944
something like 6 files there too about the contract

33 page pdf

>The Space Development Agency (SDA) is issuing this solicitation to establish the foundation for
Tranche 2 (T2) of the Proliferated Warfighter Space Architecture (PWSA)

>>15296929
>>15296944
>>15296945
>>15296951
>>15296954
Is it normal for the expected cost of the system to the government to not be part of the solicitation?

>>15296957
I think I know what you’re asking, and I think the answer is no

>>15296957
I don't know, but kind of makes sense for the companies offering service to also have a cost estimate
like in the HLS bids, the companies didn't know each others bid amounts and I don't think there was a number given by NASA
the point is to compete and give a number that is reasonably low so you win the competition, but still profit
maybe the government has no idea a priori how much this would work? then they test out some system with a certain cost and if the benefits arent enough to justify the cost, it doesnt leave beta

>>15296954
different vendors satellites are expected to be interoperable, interesting
so if kuiper for instance bids on this later at some point, starlink and kuiper satellites would need to interoperate and basically be part of the same constellation

commoditizing satellites like this should bring the cost down? even more than just mass producing them like spacex is already doign (and amazon is planning to do, maybe OneWebs 600 sats could be said to be mass produced too, idk)

>>15296976
600 is absolutely mass produced. TROPICS had six and no spares.

>>15296944
I don't think the biden government is gonna give a single cent to this guy even if he cured cancer

>>15296944
>800 satellites
>that'll be 2 billion dollars, no tip
What a bargain, thank goodness for mr Musk. Boing and Locksneed would've charged like a trillion dollars and cancelled the project after the first launch.

I am officially labeling the retrograde southwestern hemisphere loitering Molniya orbit the "get off my lawn you damn kids" orbit. It's nearly impossible to reach from any major launch site without serious on orbit delta V.

>>15296944
2 billion sounds like a lot but 2.5 million per satellite is pretty cheap

>>15297045
Ya allah the forbidden orbit

>>15296650
>he doesn't know
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program

>>15296831
>>15296783
>>15296854
>>15296883
>>15296746
These are all interesting ideas, but I suspect it may be a stylized T.

>>15296810
more like big fat based

>>15297060
Why some random letter?

>>15297056
wrong link?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beresheet

>>15297068
Are you a retard? Actually though, did you get a lobotomy or something?

>>15296877
$50 million is a pretty reasonable price for building a test vehicle and launching it outside the magnetosphere.

>>15297073
He's referring to the conspiracy that Neil Armstrong converted to Islam.

>>15297083
Or use a larger vacuum chamber.
So far it's only been tested by Slough in a very small chamber years ago.
Why not improve on that? That would be a way to attract funding - if potential supporters could see that it works in real life. Doesn't seem to be a priority for some reason.

>>15297108
Scale wise there's no meaningful difference between groundbased vacuum chambers for a plasma magnet sail. The coupling is confirmed to exist so the next step is testing against actual solar wind. Even before the Q drive paper a flight test was always considered the next step.

>>15297108
because you need to get away from earths magnetosphere
a bigger vacuum chamber on earth won't accomplish that

>>15297120
>Scale wise there's no meaningful difference
>The coupling is confirmed to exist
On the contrary the scaling is very important to demonstrate. Yes, the coupling is confirmed to exist in the sense that electrons are captured and the remaining plasma stream does push on them.
But it would still be good to see that the scaling is as expected and that there aren't unexpected effects which haven't been allowed for.
What's the harm in using a bigger vacuum camber? Slough's chamber was so cramped that he had to compensate for all sorts of secondary effects.

>>15297127
The harm is it's nearly as expensive as just buying a test flight while providing much less useful data. If you're willing to fund the process, by all means go ahead.

>>15296633
So when do you think Starship will actually launch? If at all? I think April is a right off as well

>>15297164
Never because the payload bay door is an unsolvable problem. Starship is a complete bust.

>>15297170
kek

>>15297170

>>15297170
is this true?

>>15297193
Is that Senko?

>>15297197
that is senko

>>15297193
Yes.

>>15297197
she's a fox cute :)

>>15297193

>>15296633

I WILL live in the pod (on Mars) and eat the bugs (shrimp) and watch anime instead of experiencing human companionship and I will be happy

>>15297230
>tranime self insert
you will never be a woman. you will never go to space.

>>15297234
i will breast children on mars (martians)

>>15297222
transphobia has no place in /sfg/, go back to /pol/

>>15297248
>transphobia has no place in /sfg/, go back to /pol/
You look like this

24 minutes until peter beck's tiny black rocket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvPcY3SrgAs

>>15297248
yes it does
kick trannies into trash compactors

>>15297248
plz keep your /pol/ shit on /pol/, nobody wants to see you pushing your political agenda here

>>15297248
>>15297271
samefag

>>15297248
Kill troons. Behead troons. Roundhouse kick a troon into the concrete. Slam dunk a troon baby into the trashcan. Sacrifice troons to Quetzlcoatl. Defecate in a troons food. Launch troons into the sun. Stir fry troons in a wok. Toss troons into active volcanoes. Urinate into a troons gas tank. Judo throw troons into a wood chipper. Twist troons heads off. Report troons to the IRS. Karate chop troons in half. Curb stomp pregnant goblina troons. Trap troons in quicksand. Crush troons in the trash compactor. Liquefy troons in a vat of acid. Eat troons. Dissect troons. Exterminate troons in the gas chamber. Stomp troon skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate troons in the oven. Lobotomize troons. Mandatory abortions for troons. Grind troon fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown troons in fried chicken grease. Vaporize troons with a ray gun. Kick old troons down the stairs. Feed troons to alligators. Slice troons with a katana.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1639159756421222400

apparently the saudi investment wasnt true

>>15297297
Duh? ITAR/CFIUS would make that impossible.

>>15297300
I don't think it would if its purely a financial investment and the investor gets no access to anything other than financial information

>>15297248
Kys stupid fucking tranny. Any other fag flags can also fuck right off. This is not /lgbt/

imagine having such shitty nigger taste.
night launches are objectively terrible. i wanna see the silver glinting big dick rocket piercing the sky with a vapour cone enveloping all of stage 2 and sound shock waves visible in the atmosphere.

>>15297248
Your fetishes have no place on /sfg/ no matter what they are. This is a space flight general.

>they cut off the new staircase
kek what kinda cave monkeys do they employ at the launch site?
it's good though it and its cladding would have fucked the timeline.

why the fuck did I stay awake for the electron launch?
I should have just gone to sleep and woke up to the next falcon launch

So what happened with that nuke thermal engine that the Russkies were working on
You remember, the one that leaked radioactive dust all over Europe in like 2020 or something

>>15297323
cant see shit during night launches other than the exhaust

>rocket lab in a hold
welp

>>15297332
kek totally forgot about the stream

>>15297341
oh great
they scrubbed for another hour
I think the falcon launches made my standards too high for this

anon asked and I deliver
Art nouveau spacecraft, in NASA's Robert McCall (sort of) style
sometimes it takes it a bit too literally when you say "spaceship" lol

>>15297345
these are the spacecrafts

>>15297348
these are the art deco ones

>>15297336
A nuclear jet engine. Not spaceflight related.
>inb4 Rosatom said rocket engine
That was disinformation. It's a nuclear powered cruise missile which crashed earlier and had a little criticality accident when raised from the ocean.

>>15293963
and your big titty tomboy

>>15297348
NTA but these are great, thanks for making them

>>15297348
kino

>>15297362
See, it knows what the people want

t-50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvPcY3SrgAs

>>15297362
make the boobs bigger

>>15297362
open leg sho bob and pusi deer

>>15297359
Those are useful for both Venus and Titan exploration

>>15297382
fingers came off a little wonky, but not too bad
>>15297384
sir, this is a blueboard

>>15297339
Night launch is more realistic because it's always nighttime in space.

>>15297392
commission smut artists all over the world are crying out in despair

>>15297392
booba

So will SpaceX break the new rocket launch spell and do a successful 1st launch with Starship?

Rocket Lab is live at T-20 minutes and counting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvPcY3SrgAs

>>15297429
its going to be at least particularly successful, might burn up on re-entry though

Work on the orbital launch mount continues.

>>15297429
well, technically, Starship already launched a bunch of time and most exploded
I believe gods of rocketry had their fill of sacrifices for the time being

>>15297429
the tin can won't survive max-q unfortunately

Will spaceflight help me find a girlfriend?

She's expanding.

>15297462
>>>/r9k/

30 seconds. euro hours are so dead

>>15297463
la goblina del smallsato abominacion

20s

WOOOOOOOO

past max q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huymuiu6K_w

>>15297170
> muh doors
unnecessary

based telementry displays

PLASMA KNOIVES

Have the kiwis actually reflown a stage yet?

>>15297493
no

>>15297494
Glorified litter cleanup then. Sad.

>>15297345
>>15297348
>>15297353
I made that request, these rock tyvm. Grab a slice anon.

>>15297362
huh, not that bad

>>15297496
They're still early stages of recovery. I would give it two or three more years before they refly a stage.

>>15297520
>two or three more years
delusional. they will do it this year.

>>15297497
gladly
care to join us?

Is it just atmospheric heating or does electron do an entry burn? it goes out immediately after https://youtu.be/rvPcY3SrgAs?t=6892
maybe they're forcing the last bit of propellant out as a heat shield without actually lighting the chamber. you can do that nicely with electric pumps.

>>15296982
Sir, if he finds a cure for cancer, he would be suicided by the glowniggers, like the rest that tried

Meanwhile in the based timeline ...

>>15297628
>esa spaceplane
>based

>>15297631
Spaceplanes are based.

>>15297628
That was a good Simpsons ep

>>15297644
Pokemon hat

>>15297628
This would imply that MIR is still in its 1989 configuration by ~2000, which is depressing and not cool

>>15297628
Columbus was originally meant to be free-floating module
only later on we agreed on parking parts of Freedom, Mir 2 and ESA station beside one another
>>15297654
shitsec about to beat him up for helping the station clown

>>15297410
Methinks we can treat as scabs those who sell and buy the "ai" art

>>15297657
uuuh its MIR-Polar in an 88 degree orbit ok.
This is MIR in that timeline

>>15297661
>Methinks
>/sci/ thread screenshot
go back

>>15297626
>cancer is a glowop

>>15297661
AI art is cool anon, those art nouveau spacecraft were excellent. I wouldn't buy, better to just buy a battlestation and make it myself, but I absolutely WOULD sell to dumb normies and pretend I was a real artist.

>>15297248
thank u

>>15297661
kek, Marxists btfo'd, capitalism will outlast the human species.

>>15297720

>>15297712

Current machine learning algorithms are not anything close to sentient; their massive data dependency is evidence in it's self of their inherent stupidness.
Ultimately though, there is no iron law suggesting that a computer based system could not be sentient.

>>15297738
hypercapitalism is extremely based

>>15297757
why do people always bring up sentience? its basically a pointless subroutine running on top of your intelligence, its not required for intelligence and if you look at how you make decisions, it isnt your conscious/sentient mind that usually makes them, this is cope and an explanation you say to yourself
free will doesnt exist, intelligence can exist without sentience

spaceflight?

>>15297753
ERA: The most successful part of Hermes

>>15297766
and it took only 40 years to develop (or so)

>>15297757
>there is no iron law suggesting that a computer based system could not be sentient
Syntax isn't semantics, Searle is undefeated nigga

>>15297750
Is that habitat supposed to be a salt shaker on its side?

>>15297773
Semantics doesn't exist.

>>15297781
based

>>15297762
Conciousness is a part of your intelligence, it's necessary for abstract problem solving.
Intelligence is not simply the ability to reference a dataset.

>>15297773
>philosophy
get out of here with that gay shit.
This is /sci/, and pic rel is better than any treatise on navel gazing.

Everyday I thank Starsem for avoiding some cringe Euro-Stick
Euro-Soyuz went to shit but at least it preserved us from this.

>>15297786
cope

>>15297786
GPT-4 does abstract problem solving better than most humans and GPTs don't have access to any external data

>>15297789
>posts a /his/ book

>>15297801
>and GPTs don't have access to any external data
That's where you're wrong kiddo https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/03/chatgpt-gets-its-wolfram-superpowers/

>>15297809
Yeah I know, they didn't have that for all the tests and benchmarks, and for regular use that people are familiar with

>>15297803
It's a history book, and a chemistry book, and an engineering book. It's a must read for anyone who wants to understand the field at even a basic level.
It should be required reading for posting in /sfg/.

>>15297801
They don't have access to external data on the fly, but they have their dataset. Consequently, you can easily get it to tell you where/what it is citing by simply asking it to tell you. I do this all the time if I don't believe it.

>>15297803
Spaceflight happens on such long timeline that it is indissociable from /his/

>>15297813
>they have their dataset
No they don't you retard, it's just the weights

>>15297803
lurk moar

>>15297819
Is that why I can literally get it to tell me the sources it uses then? Fuckin' moron.

>>15297833
Yeah, it's in the weights you retard
If you don't even know this just the fuck up please

>>15297765
trannys' political discussion is more important.
jannie is one of the trannys so theres nothing you can do about it.

>>15297789
science is just natural philosophy zoomie

>>15297859
that's just as incorrect as saying 4chan is an anime board.
science was once a branch of philosophy, but at this point they have diverged irreconcilably.

>>15297872
*website

Starship launch when

>>15297872
But 4chan IS an anime website

>>15297883
about 2 weeks

>>15297872
Please explain the equation. You know the one

>>15297883
They had to weld the door shut and now they can't figure out how to fuel up the dang thing

>>15297872
>science was once a branch of philosophy, but at this point they have diverged irreconcilably.
no evidence for this, claim dismissed

>>15297888
*WAS

>>15297922
Think again faggit

knower here
spacex is close to bankruptcy

>>15297931
What about blueorigin?

>>15297931
Ok, cool.
Except for the fact that they'll never be allowed to fail since US space hegemony solely rests on them.

>>15297931
we will celebrate with this.

>43 ips
>169 posts

>>15297946
Yes?
Do you expect threads to be one post per IP then they fuck off until the next thread rolls around?

knowledge haver here
SpaceX is close to world domination

>>15297931
This is true, they will go bankrupt in 2022 if they don't achieve weekly Starship launches with Starlinks.

>>15297946
Yes, I posted 3.93 times ITT. How could you tell?

>>15297946
Thats more ips than I expected lol

>>15297956

>>15297888

https://twitter.com/VirtuallyNathan/status/1639257250152988677

>>15297981
the point is to conserve station keeping fuel (argon) on the satellites themselves I guess?

>>15297981
yolo

https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1639231193722830849

https://www.kark.com/news/local-news/bill-would-lead-to-feasibility-study-for-future-arkansas-spaceport/
>“Shooting rockets off in the middle of Los Angeles or Dallas doesn’t make a lot of sense,” Pilkington said. “In some of these rural places here in Arkansas, it makes a lot of sense.”
let's bomb some villages in arkansas

>>15297991
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_1882

>>15297991
This person nails the EU bureaucrat look

>>15297994
I guess this is something akin to the 800 satellite Starshield that SpaceX is offering to the US military
Starlink was shown to work so well in Ukraine that now the US military and EU want their own constellations

>>15297999
https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1598089994379628550

When Musk bought twitter, this dude came to talk to Musk and I guess intimidate him about free speech etc lol

>>15297750
Propellant is stored in the balls.
>>15297776
Zoomers don't know about "canning" jars.

>>15297789

did they remove all the scaffolding yet? is there an nsf thread for general updates like the launch towers?

>>15297362
I like her

>>15297712
>>15297750
that's hilarious, I see Ball jars all the time when preserving fruit from my aunt's orchard, fancy script logo and all. Is there really a Ball Aerospace or was this a joke?

>>15298049
>its real
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_Aerospace_%26_Technologies

Remember when Starship was going to launch in January? lmao

>>15298093
it was supposed to launch 1.5 years ago first time

>>15298100
>Starship orbital launch in 6 months
Elon musk, September 2019.

>>15298049
Ball sold its home jar division long ago.

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1639266593564766211
>Some news: Dream Chaser’s debut is delayed until at least mid-December. This extends NASA’s reliance on Falcon 9 for crew *and* cargo. More critically, it also raises questions about Vulcan’s launch manifest and path to certification.
DreamChaserbros...

>day 43
>no launch license from FAA

>>15298123
its over

Roscosmos loosing Baikonur? To bad they stole on the money for the other launch sites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSqkp-V2nIs

>>15298133
>inb4 special military operation in Kazakhstan

>>15298123
How can it have issues? It's small enough to fit in a car garage and has never been tested in space. They don't even have to make the rocket, just the plane

>>15298146
space is hard

>>15296644
to btfo lightning leg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnExURgvMz8

>>15298133
No, they lost only Soyuz-5 assets. Manned launches are unaffected.

4min to launch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhe91f5smxM

>>15298183
I don't speak chingchong though :(

>>15298197
rocketto

Who is the narrator for this launch? I don't recognise the voice.

AHHH I'M PLOOOOOMING

>>15298205
gotta train new people somehow

easy

F9 is boring

That was some great landing footage onboard.

10th successful landing for this booster
its just that easy

right in the middle
very nice

there's no way.... it can't be that easy in rocketry...

>>15296810
>dynamic soaring
That's not just Greason
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/frspt.2022.1017442/full

You gonna call them grifters too? Clearly there's something to plasma sails worth investigating especially for its potential combined with other methods.

Gotta have someone thinking outside of the box and non-conventionally, because NASA sure isn't.

>>15297108
Same issue with MSFC's e-sail, can only work outside of a magnetosphere, better to save up money for an in-space tech demo that can provide instant undeniable results and boost interest/funding in to the tech afterwards

The fact that we have 2 different potential propulsion systems that can put a spacecraft in ~10AU in less than a year is fortunate and both are worth investigating fully

>>15298231
it is
fairing halves also reused, previously 6 and 7 times
lol

Space is eazy

>sfg when falcon 9 launches and lands for the gorillionth time
>"it's that easy in rocketry lol"
>sfg when still no starship launch
>"space is hard, pls understand"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyN37-_kC4M
sure, why not

>>15298243
EZ

>>15298244
so they arent going bankrupt I guess?

> Join us for the livestream of Astra's 2nd Annual Spacetech Day on Tuesday, April 25, 2023. We'll share updates on Launch System 2, the Astra Spacecraft Engine™, and more.

>>15298124
Getting the FAA to complete any kind of paperwork takes forever nowadays. I don't know what's happened to them lately.

>219 missions
>181 landings

>>15298251
Elon should just do a powermove and launch it into a stable orbit. the FAA would lose public confidence immediately

>>15298249
They'll go bankrupt eventually, but it's probably not imminent. They don't have Virgin Orbit's asset management.

>>15298243
>>15298246

>>15298146
Last update...

https://blog.executivebiz.com/2022/05/sierra-spaces-1st-dream-chaser-nears-completion/\

Sierra Space CEO Tom Vice said the spaceplane’s structural testing is already completed and the vehicle is transitioning to the final integration and testing phase.

The vehicle could be transported to NASA’s Neil Armstrong Test Facility in Ohio by August or September for thermal vacuum testing that will run for four months.

“Then we ship it to the Kennedy Space Center for integration onto the Vulcan rocket,” Vice said.

>>15298256
>They decide to launch without a loicense
>Starship grounded forever
>Starbase seized by the govt
>SpaceX nationalized
>Musk imprisoned
>Mars dreams shattered
sure, why not

>>15298251
https://www.faa.gov/about
first dude is an aviation guy
https://www.faa.gov/about/key_officials/nolen
second one seems to be a politician
https://www.faa.gov/about/key_officials/mims

why doesn't space have its own regulatory body?

this month definitely next one very definitely

>>15298123
It was never gonna launch this year. Q4 2024.

>>15298270
>black administrators
much like Bolden, these guys are puppets for somebody else.

>>15298246
>>15298262
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nyYaL0dGAA

>>15298277
well bolden was an astronaut, seems like he would care about spaceflight at least

>>15298270
Rockets still have to traverse Class E and A airspace, however briefly, in order to reach space, which is still the FAA's jurisdiction.

>>15298289
thats gay, just have permanent spaceflight corridors

>>15298262
You stole that momentum off the body you were orbiting. It ain't free.

>>15298306
free (to me)

>>15298306
How do you orbit wind

>>15298310
Very carefully.

>OLM finished
>tank farm filled to the brink, tanks are busting.
>Booster 7 ready
>Spaceship ready
>FAA licence has not yet arrived

Why?

>>15298331
>OLM finished
wrong

>>15298337
That scaffolding is being dismantled

>>15298306
nah, stealing momentum off solar wind. Absolutely free.

>>15297758
Based and cyberpunkpilled

>>15298349
Not really

>>15298337
looks fine to me

>>15298306
The entire universe belongs to me, I'm just using my own stuff as I see fit.

>>15298358
It's clearly not finished.

>Road Closures next Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday all for 8AM - 8PM
Road Closures next Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday all for 8AM - 8PM
>Road Closures next Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday all for 8AM - 8PM

>>15298371
>cancelled, cancelled, cancelled

>>15298370
yolo

For the cost of Starliner, NASA got Falcon 9, a new cargo capsule, a new crew capsule, 12 cargo flights and 6 crewed flights— before Boeing launched a single astronaut to the ISS.

>>15298393
Thankfully you're not working at SpaceX.

>>15298354
Yes, it is.

>>15298398
Starship needs to be launched

>>15298403
It will be launched when everything is ready.

Fuck Dream Chaser

>>15298412
I say when is ready and is ready now. Launch it.

>>15297626
take your schizophrenia meds

>>15298371
Surprise launch?

>>15298371
canceled, canceled, cryo

>>15298371
>>15298386
>>15298447
>>15298457
Preparation for restacking I assume

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1639266593564766211

How long is the delay now?

https://www.blueorigin.com/news/ns-23-findings/
>The direct cause of the NS-23 mishap was a thermo-structural failure of the engine nozzle.
>Blue Origin expects to return to flight soon, with a re-flight of the NS-23 payloads.

>>15298486
Translation: "the engine broke"

https://ablspacesystems.com/news/abl-space-selected-for-60mm-tactical-space-stratfi/
$60M handout to ABL for "responsive launch"

When will Space Force launch their own station?

>>15298486
thermo-structural failure lmao
it melted?

>>15298499
It probably had stress fractures from reuse.

>>15298502
I need a Starship night launch immediately

The heavy sensation on my eyelids begins to fade. Consciousness returns to me. Questions start filling my head. I turn to the source of, seemingly, infinite knowledge, hoping to find the answers that I seek. Disappointment and anger fill up inside me quickly, as the outcome of such findings are the same as the days before. The Federal Aviation Administration has yet to award Starship an orbital launch approval.

On to the next day.

>>15298504
sounds like something that would have been trivial to find and fix if they did more actual physical testing.

>>15298498
2 years

>>15298484
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Chaser

6 years since the previous mission

> In March 2019, completion of NASA's Integrated Review Milestone 5 (IR5) confirmed that development was still on schedule.[87][88] In August 2019, SNC announced the first ISS flight of the Dream Chaser, known as SNC Demo-1, was planned for 2021.[3] However, on November 17, 2020, SNC announced it would be delayed until early 2022.[89] In May 2022, it was announced by the deputy manager of ISS, Dana Weigel, that the mission was scheduled for February 2023.[90]

I guess it was planned for 2021 at first?

>>15298498
It's space fortress daad

I'm going insane /sfg/. I keep hearing 'two weeks' in real life multiple times every day. I overhear it in conversations all the time.

>>15298526
The cultural zeitgeist was hijacked by the internet more than a few years ago. The consequences of this are largely unnoticed, but they are severe and dire.

>>15298526
>>>/wsg/5020282

>>15298123
Yeah but like bros /sfg/ told me it would totally be ready right now if only they had won the comcrew contract! It would have been different for sure!

>>15298526
KEK same. I notice it all the time now

>>15298526

https://www.space.com/space-force-picks-arkisys-to-build-satellites-in-orbit

>>15298251
>I don't know what's happened to them lately.
politics. there was a admin change in the federal governing body a few years ago and the new crew does not like a certain african immigrant not one bit

>2023+3 months
>No European launches

What happened?

>>15298651
>What happened?
Falcon 9 happened. Well, that and ESA shit the bed with Vega.

Why do we need so many crewed vehicles?

>>15298654
>Vega
Blame Italy for that turd.

>>15298664
american space fleet

>>15298664
>Dreamchaser
>Starship
>That 3D render from rocketlab
None of those carry crew. Orion is too fucking big for LEO.
And that leaves one operational capsule and one that may or may not fly this decade for LEO operations. Having a single redundancy that's not even operational yet is not "so many crewed vehicles", it's pitiful.

>>15298651
OHB had some delay with their satellite which means the dual Syracuse 4B/H2SAT A5 launch had to be delayed, and since JUICE needs special preparation and Vega is grounded there’s this hole

What about starliner

>>15298664
Hundreds of thousands living and working in space.

>>15298664
Imagine the state if Dragon didn't exist.

>>15298682
would have been a topkek for russia

Why so blue?

Why didn't they have MOOSE on Columbia? They might all be alive now

>>15298699
>we want the NASA flight suit look

I love this author, he’s been autistic about claiming Shenzhou is not based on or inspired by Soyuz in any significant way for almost 3 decades. He just admits the Feitian spacesuits were Orlan-based, nothing more.

>>15298689
>Colani
oh wow, I remember his designs from way back in the era of OMNI magazine.

>>15298710
They're eye catching but he knew jack about aerodynamics

>>15298664
>need
If you're prosperous and competent, you transcend mere 'need' to focus on 'can', 'want' and 'splurge with'.
>so many
Death of shuttle means the end of an official 'one size fits all' vehicle, opening the space for its functions to be divided among several competitors. Decreasing expected performance parameters vis-a-vis the shuttle means lower development, procurement, and complexity costs, which opens participation to more providers. Another lesson from the shuttle is the need for redundancy in systems, so that you don't face years-long hiatuses should something go wrong.
With efforts towards private/new-type space stations accelerating, and the beginnings of common-access orbital infrastructure, there will be increasing demand for transport to and from orbital installations, allowing for a competitive marketplace.
Though for your pic, those considerations aren't relevant.
Dreamchaser crew wasn't selected, but was part of the same contract bid process as Crew Dragon and Starliner. Orion flies deep space missions, Starship is built for SpaceX's goals, and Rocket Lab just has a render.
Crew Dragon is the only one of those that currently flies missions.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/24/rocket-lab-neutron-launch-price-challenges-spacex.html
>Neutron is targeting a ”$50 million to $55 million launch service cost”
>“We are positioning Neutron to compete directly with the Falcon 9,” Rocket Lab Chief Financial Officer Adam Spice said.
uh oh neutronbros

>>15298745
I wonder how much all those companies are hopping that starship doesn't work

>>15298745
>Positioning to compete with Falcon 9 at $50 million per launch
>Has half the payload capacity of Falcon 9
>SpaceX could turn a profit if they cut the price for a launch to $30 million or even less if they wanted to
This rocket is unironically doomed to market failure.

>>15298701
MOOSE was never tested, sadly.

>>15298752
Perhaps this is why Rocket Lab hasn't mentioned a single customer for Neutron yet, while Relativity gloats about its launch agreements.

>>15298756
It's not impossible. I don't think any of these competing launch companies stand a chance if they aren't seriously targeting Falcon-9 like payload capacities with a worst case scenario marginal cost of $20 million per launch.

At this point everyone who is not SpaceX should just give up and cease all operations.

>>15298745
LMAO

>>15298762
Hard R is supposed to have at least F9's capacity, and they've teased ~$1.2B in agreements over ~20 launches. $60M/launch. That's much more competitive with Falcon and puts them in a spot to potentially take #2 in a post-Starship world. Even though I'm sure Relativity is misrepresenting some facts here, it's easy to imagine why OneWeb chose them over Neutron.

>>15298745
>Starship will be priced at $45M a launch
>it can deliver 1 kg -> 150 ton to any orbit
>it has flown a billion times

>Neutron will be priced at $55 million a launch
>it can deliver 1 kg -> 8 ton to any orbit
>it flies few times a year

>Falcon 9 is priced at $67 million a launch
>it can deliver 1 kg -> 22 ton to any orbit
>also it has flown a billion times

>>15298763
They're just there to steal government money.

>>15298745
I guess they could still launch for all the meme constellations

>>15298763
You can't put a price on space Sovereignty.

>>15298675
Topkek

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/24/spire-momentus-get-stock-exchange-delisting-warnings.html
>Space companies Spire and Momentus get stock exchange delisting warnings

The universe IS finely tuned.

>>15298763
tell that to the shareholders enjoying huge profits

So probably half of these small launch companies will die or be sold off.

Who do you think would be buyers? I would expect Axiom to pick one off. Maybe some of the big defense contractors will get a few

>>15298745
D E A D

>>15298664
Well you needed lots of ships to reach and colonize the New World

>>15298664
Dragon is the only functional one

How many Starship trips would this take?

>>15298699
STD

>>15298977
Idk, 10^21? Needs a whole lot of refuelling

>>15298977
Only 1.

>>15299011
that... makes too much sense. Bezos wants to be picard, and the cargo cultism that he has towards old astronauts and Apollo hardware is very in line with the behavior of somebody who believes in the stupid stuff that trek preaches.
How can one man be so juvenile?

>>15299011
Why are they all holding hands and touching each other?

Hey fags, anyone got any idea on what month they will ACTUALLY do the Starship orbital launch? Also, once thats done do they need an FAA license for every launch that takes just as long or will they be able to ramp up orbital tests with Starship after the first one?

>>15299055
actually probably late april

>>15298306
notmyproblem.jpg

>>15298977
>1% of Jupiter mass
without checking, it's probably close to the mass of the Earth, so the answer is a lot

>>15298931
Any company that hasn't launched a rocket into orbit after 10 years is going to fail.
So basically all of them.
Though they may live in death for a long time thanks to gov money or rich retards (c. john bezos)

>>15299061
3 times the mass of earth actually

>>15299047
I mentioned it in a previous thread, but trekkie stuff is really insidious. Modern agitprop can't even approach the sheer brainrot that it induces in the previously somewhat well adjusted person. It does all of this while being mostly pleasant to watch and somewhat internally sensible.
Thankfully, though, advanced trekkism naturally induces disgust and discomfort in the uninitiated. The obsession with overcoming baser warlike instincts and promoting mutual understanding amongst actual aliens leads to this kind of advanced faggotry

>>15299077
STD is not trek. It's a sexually transmitted disease.

>>15298931
>Big
>Relativity
They can't even put their small one into orbit.

>>15299087
I have to believe that was intentional, it's not they didn't know how the other series are abrievated
>ENT
>TNG
>VOY
>DS9
"They'll call it disco, lol"

>>15299011
>>15299037
Bezos flightsuits give more of an ENT vibe to me

>>15298931
If Stoke can start proving itself, I could see them getting bought out by BO or Relativity for their reuse research. Also Firefly by Northrop and ABL by Lockheed (if they divest from ULA).

https://parabolicarc.com/2023/03/24/sec-charges-winner-shepard-spaceflight-auction-cryptocurrency-fraud/
>The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) has charged the winner of an auction to fly to space aboard New Shepard in 2021 with fraud related to his cryptocurrency business.
lol

>>15299169
>SEC
We should glass their HQ from orbit

>next week's closures are widely suspected to be b7 moving to the launch site
TWO WEEKS

>>15298474
not even fucking close.
>>15298495
why is ABL the glownigger's delight?

>>15298977
>A100s
we H100s now

>>15299217
It is very strange. My guess is that the guys who work there used to work in gov or something. A bit like Kistler but at an even higher level.

>The environmental review was concluded 9 MONTHS ago
>still no license

>>15298664
Why does one company need so many aircraft models

>>15299319
grift

/sfg/
home

>>15299394
>Project Mars: A Technical Tale, by Dr. Wernher von Braun
reminder
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-science-fiction-nasa-colonize-colony-planets-solar-system-2021-6
>In 1953 a scientist predicted a man titled 'Elon' would lead humans to Mars and crown himself 'Martian Emperor'

>>15299429

>>15299430
What the fuck? Nah youre fucking with me

>>15299434
it's true. all of it.

>>15299429
>>15299430
Thank goodness we don't live in the timeline von Braun decided to name the Martian Emperor title "Jeff".

>>15299434
Spooky, innit?

What have the vatniggers been saying about Terran 1?

I want to see the cope, I love vatnig takes on American spaceflight

>>15299452
When did it 'catch fire'? The whole problem was the 2nd stage engine NOT firing, wasn't it?

>>15299434
>>15299443
take this
>Neil Armstrong
>Neil A.
>.A lieN

even spookier when you include his middle name backwards
A. Nusfart lien

Why'd they do that weird "see no evil/hear no evil/speak no evil" photo?

>>15299452
>trans albanian immigrant (war refugee?) shitting on america

>>15299469
sanrio fag too it seems

>>15299011
Look if they wanted to go touchscreen ultra futurism and, in the process, completely retcon the “feel” of the campy original series, they should have just made it set 100 years after TNG.
>>15299125
I fucking love ENT so much. I always thought it was so dorky as a teenager, but in college I got really baked and watched the whole thing over the course of a few weeks. SOVL

>>15299319
Bad example. There's only four base models on that chart, everything else being stretches and reengines and marginal upgrades.
Those also all serve different use cases/customer requirements, while everything in the original image other than Starship and Orion is designed to service the ISS.

>>15299430
>Elon (אֵילוֹן in Hebrew) is a masculine first name, or Jewish surname, which means "oak tree" in the Hebrew language.
What did he mean by this?

>>15299536
lol that pic, I'm kind of tired and from that angle I thought some kind of creature was coming out of von Braun's chest like in the Alien movies.

>>15299547
it’s the indomitable human spirit emerging from his heart

>>15297345
>>15297348
>>15297353
Is the Anon who generated these still around? I'd like to know what you used. I need to generate some temp art for a project and whatever model this was would probably do the trick.

>>15299434
https://www.wlym.com/archive/oakland/docs/MarsProject.pdf
If anyone's skeptical. Relevant passage is on page 181 of the pdf

TLDR on the shit origin failure? What does “thermo structure failure” mean in practical terms? The metal was too stressed from previous flights?

>>15298763
dissimilar redundancy
in fact, if Starship actually works out there might be goldrush to space where other space companies get a lot more funding to get through the long pit of development where you just burn money (like electric vehicle startups)

>>15299589
Nikola Motors
Edison Motors
Rivian

What else is riding on "based on nature" designs? Space Z, Earth Y? Mars X?

>>15299499
Later seasons are set far in the future, but they fucked up even that.

>>15298864
Wrong

>>15299549
yes

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1639396253896257536