/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15269384
>You're not conscious

>>15269384
>there is no hard problem because... uh.... UHHH THERE JUST ISNT OKAY?!?!

>>15269397
>>15269391
Get to your banana, monkey.

>>15269384
where can i read about that?

>>15269410
In his book.

>>15269384
Santa?

>>15269384
It was a mystery to no one that him and you are NPCs.

>>15269397
Sounds like the typical /sci/dealist.

>>15269829
>>15269835
>reposting that shitass essay again and again
Lol you niggers don't understand yourselves
A so-called "p-zombie" wouldn't deny consciousness because they're supposed to behave identically to "conscious" people
Anyway consciousness is not special, I hit you in the brain and the mind is altered. Dualism was killed off for the last time in 1949.

>>15269888
NTA but your braindead response makes it obvious that you haven't read it.

>>15269384
this guy wrongly believes in free will.

>>15269888
>A so-called "p-zombie" wouldn't deny consciousness because they're supposed to behave identically to "conscious" people
False

https://nintil.com/p-zombies-are-still-undead

I want to know which observer is being fooled by the "illusion" of consciousness.

>>15269829
>among us

stopped reading there

>>15269384
Just read Derek Parfit and Karl Friston and stop overcomplicating this shit

People who have engaged with the subject at some length and still believe that Dennett thinks consciousness doesn't exist are ironically prime p-zombie candidates.

>>15269414
which?

>>15269391
There's no "you" as a thing
There's no "consciousness" as a thing
There's no two different entities called "you" and a "consciousness", there's no one entity called "consciousness" or a "you"

There's "you" as a system
There's "consciousness" as a system.
There's no "you" as a system AND a "consciousness" as a system independently, the two are the same.

As a result, there's no "you dont have consciousness" there's no "you have consciousness", but rather there's conscious systems

>>15270187
The brain.

>>15270187
The ones who base their entire existence on the fact they believe they think.

>>15270209
Sus

>>15270244
shakyamuni that you?

Consciousness is relative.
So ironically, npcs and p-zombies are real but also not real.

>>15269384
The problem is that all of you fucks cannot think of ontology in a non-eidiatic manner

>>15269890
nta, but I stopped reading it just now when he used so much jargon that I couldn't follow what he was talking about anymore. Not worth it, especially after one of his big points was that a "mind" turned into software couldn't react to hormones like adrenaline. At that point I could see that he set up this massive strawman, which I assume he pummels to dust with jargon in the rest of the essay.

>>15272151
>nta, but I stopped reading it just now when he used so much jargon that I couldn't follow what he was talking about anymore.
He's using Dennet's own pseud jargon to make fun of him. That's the whole point of the satire. It's written exactly like the work it's critiquing.

>>15269397

>>15271765
Modern take

>divine light severed

>>15270220
you're not conscious

>>15273071
Neither are you. Nobody is. Dennett proved it in his book.

>>15270240
The one youll find by searching for it.

>it's another abhorrent platonist thread

>>15269898
He doesn't. Compatibilism is determinism + cope.

>>15273814
>>15272046

>>15273558
you're not conscious

>>15273814
Platonism is an illusion.

>>15269384
He is only famous because he fucked kids and got blackmailed by epstein

>>15274714
Who are those people? Am I supposed to know them?

>>15269829
>Me: smart
>You: stinky zombie!
There, I just summed up this garbage

>>15274714
Dont know who far left is but next to him is pinker, then dennet, dont know who the femoid is. I am guessing she is dennet's wife since she is on his lap. Dawkins on the right

>>15275235
>>15275281

>>15269391
Only an autist cud be good with ms paint like tht.

>>15272046
What does that mean?

>>15275235
>>15275281
Look sisisters its our favorite pedophile atheists on the lolita express

>>15275281
Her name is katinka matson, she is married and not to Denett. She is getting him used to compromising sexual situations so he gets blackmailed

>yet another tranny consciousness spam thread

Literally who?

>>15269384
>>15273558
>midwits fawning over Epstein's friends to convince themselves they’re oh so smart for claiming they’re not conscious

>>15275235
It's allegedly two literary agents along with Steven Pinker, Daniel Dennett and Richard Dawkins on Epstein's private jet traveling to give a TED talk on Epstein's private island.

>>15272781

>>15269384
I used the term "chmess" so often.
Thanks, Santa.

>le consciousness
>>>/x/

>>15269384
Idealists are retarded but this fucking obnoxious burgeroid is far from the best refutation of their position. In fact he's so unbelievably retarded that he's honestly a walking strawman that helps any metaphysical woo gain traction.

>>15282507
I'm indeed convinced that Dennett is indeed constantly spammed by the Kastrup-indoctrinated idealist cultists obsessed with taking over this board as an attempt to false flag and make themselves look more intellectual

>>15282958
>Kastrup-
Well see here is the thing, if your knowledge of "idealism" begins with someone named kastrup - who 99.9% of humanity have ever heard of- then you don't need to be talking at all mmmkay dingleberry?

>>15283136
This board is provably being spammed by cultists from metakastrup boards who use tactics such as deflection, no u and repeatedly posting canned responses with the same wojacks in rotation while yelling that materialism has been dead for the past 100 years (with no proof). At least they'll be gone one day once they commit a mass suicide or something.

>>15282507
>>15282958

What's wrong with idealism? Isn't it the only way to not run into the hard problem of consciousness?

>>15283165
>What's wrong with idealism?
It makes me lose my mind with impotent rage. Catsoup bad! Catsoup bad! Catsoup bad!

>>15283144
>This board is provably being spammed by cultists from metakastrup
No it isn't you are a moron. I have been posting articles I have personally written on the topic for nearly a decade and just as I said in pic rel "it will take you years to fully understand it." Well it's been 6 years and some of the people here finally understand it. I have head kastrup mentioned on this board twice in the 7 years I have been here.

> At least they'll be gone one day once they commit a mass suicide or something.
No you materialist -who have rekt science and brought it to a screeching halt in the last 100 years- will soon go the way of the dodo as your religion is a delusion for mentally deficient minds who only believe it because they were, as you said, "indoctrinated" into it. You are NPCs who will believe whatever you are programmed to believe because you aren't smart enough to look at the science and arguments and work things out for yourself even when it is spoonfed to you apparently.

>>15283144
>>15282958
>never heard the name Kastrup before
>search it on the internet
>only receive results related to a Danish airport
>have to search combination Kastrup + idealism
>it's some literal who Dutch crackpot only discussed on some schizo blogs
You don't seriously expect us to know this person. It is safe to assume that you yourself are Kastrup trying to promote your unscientific nonsense. Go buy an ad or shut the fuck up.

>>15283280
>You don't seriously expect us to know this person.
This. He's unironically psychotic. He goes around screeching this repeatedly in every thread and every time he's the only one who even knows what a Kastrup is.

>>15283284
>>15283280
Lop, nice deflecting to a fall guy. I could point to other personalities skilled here too, like Chris Langan (possibly actually skilled by himself as he's confirmed to browse 4chan). Regardless, idealism is heavily shilled here with the unending flood of I FUCKING LOVE CONSCIOUSNESS threads and similar drivel. You'll see what I mean when you see the next stream of wojack NPC pics spammed in rotation

>>15283290
It's really funny to watch you froth at the mouth and suffer like this over some boogeymen living in your head.

>philosocuck thread
Lmao, none of you will ever be an original thinker. You're letting meme philosophers literally penetrate your mind and spread the semen of their thoughts into your brain instead of thinking for yourself. You're the bottoms of the intellectual hierarchy. Back to >>>/lit/

>>15283305
STEMcucks cant into original thought ... you are shadow chasers

>>15283305
The great majorty of people will struggle to come up with a genuinely orignal thought. How you cope with that fact is up to you, but it doesn't make Philosophy unworthy or study.

>>15283305
Nice shitty edit of a /pol/ meme so funny

>>15283305
Fixed that for you

>>15283305
> brown female science nerd

>>15283732
>t. doesn't know what a scientist looks like

It is impossible to truly know anything, therefore everything we know is based on belief. Everything is a religion. We construct our own meaning. Materialism retards will never understand this.

You do realize that we cannot actually perceive reality, right? We perceive our body's response to reality. Everything else is a fictional construction of our minds. Which is fine, but one needs to acknowledge that truth rather than pretending they are actually getting closer to knowledge.

>>15283994
>yuo cannot know everything 100% therefore magic real lmao
Anti-materialists are truly an anti-science scourge. With your line of thought there'd be no scientific progress whatsoever, only huffing each others farts inside of caves. This "materialism is dead for sure this time" meme is based on literally nothing

>>15284015
>Anti-materialists are truly an anti-science scourge.
Nah kid we are the real scientists. We are just on a higher level of science than you bugmen. You are on a lower level of causation where you can only study effects, not causes. Bugmen materialist have never contributed anything to science. You can sometimes contribute to advancements in technology here and there, like good goy serfs but you will never have a mind for actual science which requires, intuition, inquisitiveness and a rejection of NPC idiocy adopted by the masses.

>>15284035
Still no basis for that thinking. Stop using your computer and the internet and go worship cow poo in India then.

>>15284040
My degree is information science, I spent 20 years as a web dev and NOC. Tt was people like me who built the internet son. What have you done?

>>15283994
>It is impossible to truly know anything, therefore everything we know is based on belief.
You are literally the meme.

>>15284052
>web dev
Lmao, back to >>>/g/. Any monkey can do that.

>>15284101
Where is your portfolio?

>>15284103
My portfolio is none of your business. I'm not a namefag who wants to show everyone their online identity on heckin 4channel.

>>15284115
Yah, so you dont have one. You are a loser undergrad that has never done jack shit but run your mouth to your betters on an anime forum. You are a clown

>>15284309
You are projecting again. I have my degree, my career and my interests. I don't need to explain myself on the internet. You on the other hand are bragging here about trivialities. That's cringe.

>>15284309
Kys anti-science anti-materialist schizo. Should be beneficial since you might reincarnate into a sacred cow and sheeit. But in the meantime, worship your cow poo with fellow anti-materialists.

>>15284315
>>15284314
>REEEEEEEE
like pottery, thanks for playing losers

>>15284325

>>15284314
>trivialities
You literally attempted to take credit for the work of me and my colleagues as if you had anything to do wtih it then when you got dunked on for it change to your tune to "it's trivial." You are a joke my man, your life is the triviality.

>>15284332
Nobody attempted to take credit for your shitty web dev skills. You're making that up in your head. In fact I would never want to be associated with any website designed by you, for it would certainly be full of bugs and vulnerabilities.

>>15284341
>Stop using your computer and the internet and go worship cow poo in India then.
huur durr I will now pretend everyone is too stupid to see that the implication here was my side build cool technology thing and your side are retarded cow poop sniffers
You are mad niggerish and wil never have sex

>>15284347
>projecting again
Dude, when you send an HTTP GET request for sex, the only response you receive is status code 402.

>>15284367
When you try to write a SQL query to retrieve pussy from the mainframe all you get in return is a null

>>15284015

You need to see a therapist dude. All humans are just matter. All your cool tech is just matter, right? So it actually wouldn't be any different in meaning than sitting in a cave huffing matter, according to you. Your brain cells dying from huffing cow shit means nothing because they aren't dying, just changing their properties. It's all just matter, right? So why does ANYTHING matter? Why are you even here typing? Forget the bigger picture and all these big questions. What motivates YOU? Why do YOU do anything? Where do YOU get your meaing?

>>15284660

meaning*

>>15284383
>the mainframe
We don't live in the 80s anymore, boomer.

>>15284035
>we are the real scientists
... says the web dev guy who knows nothing about math or physics. The closest to a science post you namefag ever made was a link to some shitty pop sci video about evolution.

>>15285191
that is called a joke, us non NPCs make them from time to time because we understand something called humor which confuses the NPCs programming. It is a turing test of sorts, thank you for you participation

>>15285382
hahahaha @ the seething cuck desperate for relevance. I will make you look illiterate on literally any topic known to man. I forgot more science than you will ever know

>>15285386
Your humor is autistic.

>>15285906
your autism is humorous