/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15281976
because they operate in the realm of make believe

>>15281976
Because they're clever, and they realize childishness is a made up concept.
Have fun, do your thing. Literally no one that matters cares.

>>15281989
>An association of behaviors typically done by a child is a made up concept
I bet you think gender is too

>>15281989
>childishness is a made up concept
Anon...

>>15281976
Because children are so physicist.

>>15281993
I bet you're not a particle physicist

>>15281997
I have a real job

>>15282003
No you don't.

>>15282003
>t. blankface drone with fully hollowed out soul
I guess they need you to believe in the Grind.
You can't have drones enjoying things, that'd distract them from their work. Fun things are childish, anyways.
Just sit your ass down, eat your grindset like a good emotionless NPV, and get back to work.

>>15282005
I think I do
>>15282008
Calm down prof I'm sure plenty of redditors appreciate where their taxes go

They develop resistance to social pressure and can do whatever they want.

>>15282012
>prof
Almost. Tech worker.
I do a few hours of real work a week on average. Partial remote, partial office.
Somehow, they think I'm doing a great job quarter after quarter. I haven't truly worked a day in my life.

Have fun. Stop giving a shit. Hedonism is all you have until age catches up to you, and you can't dance anymore.

>>15282017
>Have fun.
Yeah dude! Let's just have fun man! Lets all act like retards in the kids' play area! Anyone got some weed! Put on the death metal! Lets just have fun fuck everyone else!

>>15282027
>fuck everyone else!
Only if it's consensual, anon.

But anyways, no one is hurt by Sabine being on a kid swing. Actual kids would find it funny to see the old person on a swing. It's only desiccated Internet husks that get very bothered about it all.

>>15282035
It makes normal people feel uncomfortable, sure no one is hurt, but you are disrupting the flow of society in a retarded way.

>>15282039
That's exactly the core of the thing.
In reality, that is entirely cultural. The only disruption is a particular category of people being offended. No one gets hurt, except Karen's feelings. After she huffs and puffs a little, she'll feel better.

The flow of society isn't going to stop because you did a "childish" thing. Nothing important will be affected in any way that matters. Except offending a few people who you don't have to care about anyways.

If you ask yourself why it bothers you, the only answer you'll have is that "it's just not right" and "it makes me feel bad". You don't like it because you don't like it.
There's simply no reason to care about nonsense like that. The proof is that you can complain all you want on the internet, and Sabine's life will be completely unaffected by your opinion, proving her right.

>>15282039
correct, it shows that you're not in the right headspace, which can be a cause for concern. much like how you cant yell "Fire" because it disrupts the peace

what in the

>>15282051
>In reality, that is entirely cultural.
Anon...

>>15282051
anxiety, worrying, discomfort, and concern can physically manifest as a symptom in the body thereby disrupting homeostasis.
societal norms are typically established to bring less harm to the whole. there's a reason culture exists.

>>15282051
I don't understand why behaving normally is something you don't like doing
>The flow of society isn't going to stop because you did a "childish" thing.
It pisses people off. People don't want to share a park with an adult acting like a sperg on the play equipment.

>You don't like it because you don't like it.
I don't like it because it's an indecent way to behave. Like swearing in front of your grandparents.

>>15282058
Your post totally gave me anxiety, worrying, and discomfort. I'm going to call the cops, don't speak to my kids every again!
This really DISRUPTED my homeostasis.

I'm so offended that your post is automatically wrong :( :( :(
No, I don't have an argument. Why?

>>15282065
You are the problem in this case since no one else has a problem with his posts. Get it now?

>>15282065
Anon, can't you understand that even if someone's action doesn't have an impact on another individual, it may be benefitial that members of a culture do not make vast cessations from it.
As in, the fact that someone breaks a cultural normal is elucidative itself, without having to inquire into said taboo

>>15282068
Trying to peer pressure the someone who argues peer pressure is pointless.
Bold move. Let's see if it pays off.

>>15282077
It does pay off since you don't have the majority. The majority of people would be weirded out by a middle aged woman on children's play equipment, but not by that anon's post.

>>15282076
Believe it or not, I'd actually agree with you, on a slight variation of your post.
Here's the kicker though: what you assume as the mainstream culture is really the baseline instinct of normal, hopelessly average people.
While this is going to sound hopelessly elitist, the truth is that there is a massive different culture between the average street american and intellectuals. Many traditional cultural norms for lower classes are completely irrelevant as you go up, simply because the only people who care are lower, and those people have zero impact on your life whatsoever.
The reason you don't have to care, is that anyone who does care is not worth worrying about. The culture that matters is that of your peers, not the common man.

>>15282088
>While this is going to sound hopelessly elitist, the truth is that there is a massive different culture between the average street american and intellectuals. Many traditional cultural norms for lower classes are completely irrelevant as you go up, simply because the only people who care are lower, and those people have zero impact on your life whatsoever.
This is why the "elites" are deranged and dysgenic. You're not describing a positive phenomenon.

>>15282088
So this is what happens when a country doesn't have a natural nobility. It gains an elite of educated "intellectuals" who are less cultured and dignified than the lower class.

>>15282088
I understand that, friendo.
You could even make an argument ad Peatium, since for example it has been found that delayed puberty was favored in the European aristocracy.
What you ought not claim though is that Sabine is a member of some kind of 21st century spiritual elite. She's woefully ignorant and arrogant. Compared to any educated and well-respected European aristocrat of the past, she'd be immediately laughed at.

>>15282083
The majority has no impact on her life, and we both know this is a complete nothingburger anyways.
"Old researcher lady gets on a swing for the video" is not outrage material. No one that matters in any way cares.

>>15282093
On the contrary. This is how society progresses.
People are very slow to update, they cling on to old traditions even when completely irrational.

>>15281976
i just realised that's sabine lmao. the saviour of physics herself. although her forays into music and comedy are not as promising.

>>15282102
For a normal person the embarrassment from the scornful looks would be impactful enough to make them behave

>>15282102
>On the contrary. This is how society progresses.
>People are very slow to update, they cling on to old traditions even when completely irrational.
Tell me what "progress" the elites are introducing into society, and what "irrational" traditions are being dismantled.

>>15282100
>What you ought not claim though is that Sabine is a member of some kind of 21st century spiritual elite. She's woefully ignorant and arrogant
Fair enough. I'll argue that the bar for what I'm talking about is much lower than that, though.
Without invoking the notion of true elites, I think there is a real divide between highly educated people (which, arguably, particle physicists exemplify) and the truly average person. Really try to look at an average person, the bar to be even somewhat above that level is not very high.

But yes. Sabine is certainly far from perfect, I'm not exactly in her fan club either.

>>15282114
Religion continues to trend down, steadily.
Of course your religion is surely correct. Far from me to question that. It's the other religions who are irrational and wrong, clearly.
And you'll be happy to learn, they're slowly but surely continuing to fade.

>>15282100
>She's woefully ignorant and arrogant
explain.

>>15282118
Extremely religious people have the highest fertility rate, while irreligious people have the lowest.

>>15282118
You didn't answer him, faggot
Religions are very useful in policing morality and enforcing instrumental concepts like monogamy and supporting the poor, the irrationality of their theology is irrelevant and is being replaced by scientism and nigger worship, only without the benefits of morals.

>>15282127
Religion is not genetically inherited, as far as I know. Breed away.
Poor southern countries also have higher fertility rates than further developed rich countries.
Having a lot of kids is not necessarily a ticket for greatness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3m9B9UQfhE

>>15282128
>Religions are very useful in policing morality
In people who cannot behave themselves.
Either way, despite the earlier flamebait, I'm not currently interested in debating your religion.
Your religion is surely right. It's the other religions that are morally objectionable and made up. You'll go to your version of heaven, not to worry.

>>15282116
I see, it appears we're mostly in congurence then.
Thank you for your sincerity on 4chong
>>15282121
I know scifags in general hate anything to do with philosophy but what I mean is contained neatly in pic rel.

>>15282137
I didn't mention my own religion I said religions in general are useful.
>In people who cannot behave themselves.
Like yourself who thinks that behaving like a retard in public is good

>>15282139
i can already tell it's bullshit. you can't even tell me what the issue is concisely because you need to confuse your opponent by overwhelming them with bullshit word salad.

>>15282143
By observation, we can see that society continues to function just fine even as religion continues its decline.
Empirically, it is unnecessary.

>>15282145
>By observation, we can see that society continues to function just fine even as religion continues its decline.
Exactly the opposite is shown. Society is collapsing into a dysfunctional mess. That is the entire reason I asked you the question you readily provided the exact wrong answer for.

>>15282144
Physicists' immanent metaphysics blind them and they're barely even conscious of that.
Other than Husserl—Bergson and Whitehead were also of the same opinion. All of them were (math|sci)fags too.
You're just as much of a woefully ignorant and arrogant retard as Sabine.

>>15282151
Not to mention that Wittgenstein rebutted positivism so hard, Russell couldn't even deny it so he just pretended it never happened.

>>15282145
>just fine
In a worse version of itself

>fell for the effortposting meme

>>15282150
>Society is collapsing into a dysfunctional mess
This is a well known-bias. This is seen in every generation, all the way back to Plato saying that the kids have bad manners, contempt for authority, and that society is going to shit.
People always think things are getting worse, though this is really just a consistent bug in the human brain.

If you look at poverty rates, we have lifted billions of people out of poverty. Literacy has improved dramatically. Quality of life has risen everywhere, in rich and poor countries.
Of course, people are fed non-stop culture war clickbait and sensationalist journalism, which plays exactly into that bias.

I don't think it's worth trying to convince you if you believe things are collapsing. If you want to convince yourself, look at the data. If you don't want to convince yourself, fine by me. I don't really fundamentally care if people stick with instinct and bias instead of looking for numbers, their loss.

>>15282165
Cope to defend a collapsing and dysfunctional empire.

>>15282165
>If you want to convince yourself, look at the data.
How many bank failures are normal for a stable society? How many "child drag queens?"
>I don't really fundamentally care if people stick with instinct and bias instead of looking for numbers, their loss.
If this is how you want to live, then by all means be a slave forever.

>>15282170
I have more money and a better living situation than I've ever had, and that almost everyone had in the past. I don't even cook. Other people bring the food to me.
Perception is relative to the information that is fed to you.

>>15282165
Do you think because we get little computers in our pockets our lives are better? Would you be able to post any of this "data" which proves that life in the west isn't getting worse?

>>15282174
>How many bank failures are normal for a stable society?
Bank failures are cyclical. Sure, bank failures have been getting less bad as time goes on. It's not 1929 or 2008, we have a smaller failure each time.
But the point is that it's cyclical. The bias is that people panic a lot about what is going on right now, and don't remember how bad it used to be.
You have running water, electricity, and Wikipedia. Didn't pray those into existence, did we?

>>15282179
There's plenty of data. https://ourworldindata.org/
I don't foresee a productive conversation from trying to convince you by showing you graphs. If you're truth-seeking, you can find out pretty easily on your own. If you're not, I won't spend energy on that. Not interested at the moment.

>>15282184
>You have running water, electricity, and Wikipedia. Didn't pray those into existence, did we?
Your elites didn't make those. The plebs you despise and their stodgy old values made them, and you're living on the carcass of that society.

>>15282190
Not clicking that. The internet and mass immigration have put the west into unrecoverable decline. Proof is the ongoing collapse of the NHS.

>>15282192
Technology was very much made by highly educated people. The transistor wasn't invented by a fat man watching football on his couch, while yelling at his wife about the beer not being cold enough.

Now, plenty of value was made by working class people, and despite the incredibly elitist-sound discourse I've been making, I have the same respect for everyone no matter their class or their education.
What I don't respect if their culture, which is a very different thing.

>>15282195
>The transistor wasn't invented by a fat man watching football on his couch, while yelling at his wife about the beer not being cold enough.
This is you. You're the fat man who can't even cook for himself. The people who invented modern computing waged a war against the entire Anglosphere due to their hatred of the Jewish system that now exists.

>>15282194
I know you won't click, and I expect your mind is already made. That's okay.
Some people never change their mind on some issues. This means they have to be right the first time, or they'll stay wrong their whole life.
By being able to look at data, truth-seek, and prove yourself wrong, you rise above that like having a superpower. No skin off my back if you can't. Less competition.

>>15282203
>This means they have to be right the first time, or they'll stay wrong their whole life.
Ironic post coming from you.

>>15282195
No one thinks what you're saying is "elitist" anon, you have no connection to old money you passed some midwit exams to a sociology course; you just sound pretentious. Stop LARPing as an aristocrat trying to hide superiority.

>>15282199
You're making a caricature in your head and attacking that, anon. That's feels good, but it's a little too cheap and easy.
I don't weight a lot. I exercise a little, but I'm otherwise happy to spend time doing and learning, rather than cooking and eating. It's just a couple hours of free time I save every day that other people don't have.

>65/8/10/1
kek what is it about sabine that makes the incels here seethe?

>>15282208
See >>15282206

>>15282203
So you posted it, knowing I wouldn't click it, so you can pretend it contains the secret truths to how the west is not declining. That is what I expected.

>>15282206
People mean different things by elitism.
I don't consider myself an elite, but I also think you don't have to be old money to be perceived as elitist. I've seen people call perfectly unassuming books elitist.
If you think I'm not elitist, that's great. The intent isn't to say that anyone's better than anyone else, I just think conforming to lowest common denominator culture is not a virtue in and of itself.

>>15282215
I posted it because you asked, and I know that if I hadn't you'd have used it as a cheap excuse to say something like "see, you don't have any data", like some sort of gotcha.
There's no secret truth, anon. You asked for data, I gave you data, and then you refused to click it because it's more comfortable to stick with what you already believe than try to prove yourself wrong.

One of the things I strongly believe is that the hallmark of intelligent people is curiosity and intellectual honesty. There's few things that make people sound dumber than refusing to look at the real world, and just choosing to be ignorant.

>>15282216
Did anyone bring up elitism apart from yourself?
>but I also think you don't have to be old money to be perceived as elitist.
You don't, but you'll probably lose it and won't become an established aristocrat family, and so you'll never gain the true respect from people of old money who've been around for centuries.

>If you think I'm not elitist
I certainly do, I just know that you're not and not from an elite background. You give off major "19 year got in a prestigious university and thinks he's a big deal" vibes. You're a LARPer.

>>15282222
You have all the options to post it in this thread. You refuse and expect me to click your link and find the evidence to prove myself wrong. Telling people to search for evidence to disprove themselves isn't traditionally used in arguments like this.

>>15282133
do europoors really take their shoes off that the library?

>>15282232
Americans love stinky feet

>>15282227
>I certainly do, I just know that you're not and not from an elite background. You give off major "19 year got in a prestigious university and thinks he's a big deal" vibes. You're a LARPer.
The big tell is how he devoutly defends the regime. Real elites know it's a sinking ship because they're sinking it, only the nouveau riche and LARPers who want to try to pretend they belong in the in-group lie and defend it.

>>15282227
>You don't, but you'll probably lose it and won't become an established aristocrat family
Anon, I don't want to. I simply don't care about these things.

>you'll never gain the true respect from people of old money who've been around for centuries.
I'll also never rise through the ranks of Scientology and gain the true respect of L. Ron. Hubbard.
The respect of people who have no impact on my life has no value to me. Don't let your self-worth be defined by people you have no reason to care about.

>I just know that you're not and not from an elite background
I'm not, my family didn't have a lot of money growing up. I made good money myself. I'm very much not claiming to be old money, I have a very moderate respect for positions reached by birth, rather than talent.

>>15282235
>I'll also never rise through the ranks of Scientology and gain the true respect of L. Ron. Hubbard.
>The respect of people who have no impact on my life has no value to me. Don't let your self-worth be defined by people you have no reason to care about.
This is why you vigorously defend their regime without a chance of participating in it or benefiting from it long-term.

>>15282240
I defend the culture, I don't care whatsoever about the regime. If you want to replace it with something more meritocratic, sure. I'll walk alongside you for that one.

>>15282234
If you ever get a chance to speak to the real old money ones who aren't doing so well about this it's quite a humorous conversation. A lot of them in my country have converted their houses into hotels in a bid to save them from having to be sold to entrepreneurs. I almost feel sorry for them.

>>15282235
>The respect of people who have no impact on my life has no value to me.
We are talking about the elite here, they have an impact on everyone's lives

>>15282151
>we can never understand! it's all so mysterious! oh and btw we have le free will!! mind over matter ftw!!
did i characterise you about right?

>>15282253
>We are talking about the elite here, they have an impact on everyone's lives
I'll argue the tech/startup class these days have a lot more impact than traditional aristocratic elites. The later just tries to conserve the status quo and keep their lifestyle going.
The tech class has a lot more direct impact, both in terms of political power and corporate power. I am tech, so I only mean that I'm not threatened by old money. They do their thing, we do ours.

>>15282260
And who is financing the tech workers? Who is deciding where they're allowed to build things? Who owns them?

>>15282264
Venture Capital. That's the bros you see driving the ostentatorious lambos and going to San Francisco parties, not the old lady in her Bentley with the measured frown.

>>15282265
I guess I'll take your word for it that most people involved in the management of where you work has no familial connection to the people who have controlled wealth for millennia.

>>15281976
KINO

>>15282258
>>we can never understand!
The function's missing a domain.
>>15282258
>it's all so mysterious!
Not all
>>15282258
>oh and btw we have le free will!!
Read Bergson's Time and Free Will.
>>15282258
>mind over matter ftw!!
Dualism is even worse than IFL-söyanceism.

>>15282273
There's definitely a few of them in every board, don't get me wrong. But it's just not what the tech startup scene is primarily made of.
The people who have controlled wealth for millennia first heard about the bit coins in 2017, and mostly served as exit liquidity for a swarm of overnight millionaires. The whole scene is extremely new money.

>>15282281
like absolute clockwork.

>>15282283
Care to give my response another read, anon?

>>15281997
>I bet you're not a particle physicist
What's a woman?

>>15282285
no, i'm good. i know what kind of terrible character im dealing with here. i was pretty on the money.

>>15282333
Anon, I'm sorry if I appear ingenuine.
I half-rejected your first two characterizations of me and for the most part fully rejected the latter two.
How can that be "like absolute clockwork."?

>>15282338
you didn't reject anything. bergson is a known free will shill.

>>15282369
>a known free will shill.
rofl

>>15282369
Bergson takes the percept of "free will" and throws it into a completely different context. It's incommensurate with regular "we have le free will" arguments.
You completely ignored the other three points though, so your tight grip here is obviously a sign of defeat. I shall conclude that I do not hold any grudges against you but rather wish to see you blossom into a well-rounded person.
I'm going to bed now as it's past midnight here, may you have a nice one.

>>15282383
bergson is a free will shill, and so are you. you are not free, worm.

>>15282103
Her jokes are so bad they are unironically good. At least they have soul.

>>15282017
You are total cuck for doing even partial office

>>15281976
>youtube "influencer" shill thread
barf

>>15282710
https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=OUE9E1MxY2I

>>15282435
Eh, it's nice to see coworkers once in a while. Full remotes don't rise, they're too invisible for promotion.

standard physicist

>>15282165
>This is seen in every generation, all the way back to Plato saying that the kids have bad manners, contempt for authority, and that society is going to shit.
why do people always say this as if civilization since Plato saw nothing but steady progress

if anything history suggests he was probably right

>>15282175
This is the problem, right here. People confuse easy with good. For most of our history, easy was good, it was better to only have to spend 4 hours a day collecting food rather than 7, it was good the bronze blade held an edge longer than the copper blade.
The thing is, there isn't some law of nature that says this can be extrapolated out to infinity. Modern luxuries including smart phones and the internet are basically the nuclear weapons of ease and pomp.

>>15282063
Trump lost

>>15285433
>>>/pol/

>>15285433
The patriots are in control, trust the plan.