/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15263177
>Chalkboard
Tech illiterate boomer.

>>15263177
Because US citizens of nonblack descent are disadvantaged in the admissions process and the hiring process for tenure-track positions.

>>15263185
My math classes are entirely white and east asian.
My CS classes have 1 black guy (from Africa, not the US) and a couple of hispanics, but otherwise entirely white/asian.

>>15263177
>Why is the US falling so far behind in math?
No it it's not? That's always been US's strength, the green card. You pool resources from other countries. This has double the effect, you strengthen your own country due to extra intellectual development, you weaken other countries due to braindrain, they don't have as much of intellectual strength to develop as quickly as you.

>>15263189
Well naturally. But that's because those who do get through are the best of the best, and those who got in through less than meritorious means tend to go into easy majors. But you'll find that the odds are better for you in the private sector where merit earns money, rather than in university professorship where the administration hates you and degrades you for a pittance.

>>15263203
>But you'll find that the odds are better for you in the private sector where merit earns money, rather than in university professorship where the administration hates you and degrades you for a pittance.
Aren't most US ivy leagues private?

>>15263189
A lot of the people here who bitch about affirmative action clearly haven’t been in a college classroom. More blacks are being accepted, not at the expense of white people, but just as additional applicants. Across the country, acceptance rates have skyrocketed. And regardless of the racial composition of the applicant pool, the sophomores the following years are only the students who didn’t get filtered. Below average black students don’t make it through freshman year typically.

>>15263206
Do you not know what the private sector means? Are you autistic anon?

It's taught in such a retarded way that people's brains are essentially programmed to produce feel bad chemicals when it's brought up. It's not that they suck at math, it's that once they don't have to do it anymore they stop to feel better

>>15263210
99% of posters here hold no degree and have never read a textbook about math or science, it's just /x/ and /pol/ boomers who come here to "own" the scientists even though it's really just them speaking to themselves

>>15263208
>not at the expense of white people
of course not, it's at the expense of asians
>Across the country, acceptance rates have skyrocketed
it means they are degrading the qualities of institutions for blacks to make it through and most of them don't even make it past the first year.
kek'ed

>>15263182
Real chads have a chalkboard but have never used it because they design in their head. Its simply a symbol to look at from time to time when spit-balling an idea.

>>15263203
>merit earns money

not true, industry can be full of retarded politics as well.

>t industryfag

>>15263305
asskissing can be considered its own form of merit

>>15263314
>asskissing can be considered its own form of merit
Fax. Its the creeping cause of the mess the "experts" are in. Loss all credibility and now are proven to be incompetent while demanding to still be treated as a credible authority.

Double wrong...but perfectly logical in clown world.

>>15263177
>1 (one)
>Why is the US falling so far behind in math?
Maybe it's because you're already so far behind that you even have to clarify what you mean when you write the symbol for a number. Maybe Americans should focus on the basics first.

>>15263177
Upper Math is basically a language. Americans only need one language, American. These loser countries have to learn all sorts of languages, be they spoken, Math or computer Code.

>>15263185
>>15263208
>just as additional applicants
that doesn't make any sense you brainlet. That's not how numbers work. If a college has 1,000 slots available but then accepts an additional 300 black applicants, then there were 1300 slots available and they rejected a lot of white people due to their skin color.

>>15263177
>Why is the US falling so far behind in math?
Here's your American math professor bro

>>15263177
In contrast, I live in a non-white country were the great majority of university professors are white

>>15263177
Because the US (and western countries in general) don't invest in their own people anymore. They just buy the completed product from overseas.

>>15263740
> If a college has 1,000 slots available but then accepts an additional 300 black applicants, then there were 1300 slots available
1300 slots only became available, because they want to reach their diversity quotas. Those slots would’ve never gone to a white student, as they were specifically made for racial minorities. The amount of spots available is something artificially controlled by the college, it’s not a true reflection of some sort of capacity. Colleges have chosen to make their classrooms bigger just to let in more black students.

>>15263182
Touchscreens suck ass in 2023

>>15263177
What do you mean? They're pretty clearly in America teaching math

Unless you mean "where are the math grads going" in which case -- you should probably sit down for this -- industry pays so much better than academia that grads reject it as a future career option.

(Let's also briefly mention how employment in the United States is basically the first step in the legal immigration procedure, so it's very possible the international instructors are just biding their time as often abused adjunct faculty until they get naturalized)

>>15264174
He means why doesn't the US organically produce good math students.

The simple answer is just that school standards have been falling to match the lowest common denominator for decades. If you want your kid to have a decent education you'll need to go to a magnet scheme in that field 100 miles away.

>the best countries for maths are the ones the professors come from
who's gonna tell this dumb nigga that the best mathematicians are hired in the industry and you never hear about them?

>>15263177
All those Professors are from America now. Now our you're too poor and irrelevant to hold on talent.

>>15263934
>Colleges have chosen to make their classrooms bigger just to let in more black students.
Which they could have done to let in more white students. There is always a loser when you advantage one group over others.

>>15264388
Depressing that the most memorable quote on this scheme was coined around 2005 and still hasn't changed: "The brightest minds of a generation and they're all being put to work finding new ways to get you to look at ads."

>>15263177
Academia has little institutional power or money nowadays, it's flooded with immigrants because we can use their brains, but the pay really isn't that great.

During the 20th century we saw extreme investments in all governments and corporations in R&D, no longer leaving these tasks to the academy. It allows them to control information more effectively as well as reap the benefits of these minds. It's actually quite selfish, but the west (and America especially) has become very self serving.

It's a multifaceted issue though. Academia is a much more raw deal nowadays than it was even 30 years ago. That also leads to an exodus. A lot of the top tier minds that are still in academia are attached to major institutions that get a lot of contracts from the government or other organizations like JHU's APL. So basically they're attached in name only.

>>15263934
>>15263740
I wonder why Asians, most of which are from poor countries and are 1st or 2nd generation immigrant, are now being group with white for admittance purpose? why the blacks who has been here for so long and had access to affirmative actions for the past few decade, are still doing dogshit and need affirmative action and take away the opportunities from Asian? what could be the reason?

>>15263199
This. All those upper level professors are living and working in America. Brain drain from other countries, more money for the U.S.

Tier 1 is worldwide competition, best of the best. I don't think the proportions are off. I attended a small, cozy yet fairly high ranking college for my undergrad and every professor was white.

>>15263177
Americans are by and large discouraged from pursuing educations in math and hard science. I personally regret studying physics because it's borderline useless in employment.

>>15264347
There us no pressure to be good at pure math. The American economy wants software developers, managers, and electronics engineers. Most of the actual math workers in these positions do is automated. They don't have to understand it all that well.

American students who excel and math and chose to pursue it over the aforementioned disciplines are heavily disadvantaged in the job market. They spent their time learning math, instead of pursuing what employers actually want from candidates, ie software, managerial, and engineering skills.

>>15263785
interesting person

>>15263177

>>15265192
old people bad

>>15263177
These are the requirements to enroll in a Mathematics MSc at ETH Zürich. The requirements are very similar across universities in Switzerland and Germany. Where do these requirements come from? These are simply the courses required to obtain a (3 year) bachelor's degree in math in these countries. Very few students graduating with a (4 year) bachelor's degree in the US have even half of these courses, myself included (and I am seething as a result).

>>15263177
Emotional copulation has replaced objective standards in our educational system, and diversity has replaced meritocracy in our admissions process

>>15265251
how did you get a math degree without studying any of those? Where I went you had to do all those to get a CS degree, aside from topology and measure and integration.

>>15265251
I should have included more in this post.
This has to do with a variety of factors. If you want to look at a close to ideal education system, check out Switzerland. Only the top 15% of students are sent to the middle/high school which prepares them for university, Gymnasium; These students get a much better primary education than Americans do, because they don't have to cater to retards. So, entering university, students are better prepared for university and are, for the most part, certain in what they want to study. They don't have to deal with bullshit geneds, as these are covered in Gymnasium. So, these motivated, intelligent students have three years to spend working on what they choose to study, producing better academics.
Note that the education system differs by Canton, and this is a broad generalization of the Swiss education system.

t. seething burger germophile

>>15263177
If you're looking for racial purity, try European universities. There's a reason why Nazi happened over there, why the world wars and other BS. They always resorted to the "foreigners don't want to learn our language/culture" argument. BS. There are a lot of qualified foreign-born/looking mathematicians that speak German. They are still not hired.

>>15265255
In my bachelor's, I completed most of Part 1, but not Part 2 from that image. I only had one course in linear algebra, one course in abstract algebra, and I did not take any complex analysis, topology, measure theory, or numerical analysis. From Part 2, I do not have close to 30 american credit hours of any non-basic math adjacent subject.

>>15265251
>>15265263
I always wanted to do a second degree in math at ETH. I heard they basically accept everyone that speaks German.

>>15265251
that sounds terrible. what school did you go to?
I did my bachelor in CompSci from a shit hole country and my curriculum consists of almost all of part 1 during my first 3 semesters and some of part 2 in my 4th semester.
I'm pretty sure the engineering majors in my school did all the part 1 and probably most of part 2 during their first 3-4 semesters

>>15263177

>>15265288
University of South Carolina in Columbia (the real USC).
Shit hole countries have better education systems than the US, they just aren't made to serve everyone. If America wasn't so obsessed with universal education, perhaps we wouldn't have such a bad education system.

>>15263177
Because even a retard can teach undergraduate legacy admissions, and it's cheaper to hire 3rd worlders.

>>15265295
>Shit hole countries have better education systems than the US
part of it is true. when I were in high school, the best students were selected into honor class and were groomed to become IMO participants. I heard the US had this system and abolished it.
however, I find that the system in my country was still bad because we don't have enough teachers. they kind of made everyone take similar classes to save time and fill the credits. even now, I still wonder why did I have to take classes in fluid mechanics and do chemistry experiments as a CompSci undergrad.

>>15265307
>I still wonder why did I have to take classes in fluid mechanics and do chemistry experiments as a CompSci undergrad.
the idea is that a comp sci degree isn't meant to get you to be a code monkey that pumps out barely maintainable java programs that take 3gb of ram to do Hello World. That's an associates degree from a community college.

the idea is that you'll be able to program things that interface with other fields (my school makes us take two lab sciences [physics, chemistry, biology, geology, or oceanography]) and bridge that gap, since everything is reliant on programs and algorithms nowadays.

>>15265313
>the idea is that you'll be able to program things that interface with other fields (my school makes us take two lab sciences [physics, chemistry, biology, geology, or oceanography]) and bridge that gap, since everything is reliant on programs and algorithms nowadays.
I would be happy to bridge that gap anon, but the classes I took wasn't even computational. I had to look at/design the experiments or whatever they called, make the equations about all the properties in the dynamical systems and solve closed form solutions for them by hands. it's more like a physicist/chemist job, not CompSci.
in additional to this, we already had to take two physics and one chemistry classes during our first semester. to me, it was a total waste of time.

>>15265266
Lol, I can't tell if he really means Indian or if that thread was a massive euphemism

bump

>>15263177
It's simply statistics. The US population is 330 million. The world population is 8 billion. The most money you will earn as a teacher is in the united states. So we attract the best teachers all over the world Where is your teacher more likely to come from? A pool with 330 million people or a pool of 8 billion people?

The smart americans probably aren't aiming to become math professors, its easier to make money elsewhere. On the other side of things, for those from the 3rd/2nd world, studying math is more of a viable career path, so more smart people do it.
But thats just my guess.

>>15263177
every smart american math PhD goes into high paying finance/data/govt instead of academia, which pays way worse for more working hours.

>>15263177
I don't believe you. Name one R1 top 100 university -- yours or otherwise -- where this is true

>>15263182
I had a shizo prof in physics who would use a projector with a foil roll, and would write everything on that foil

>>15263177
Because who would want to break their back working hard for a chance to get into a lot of debt to teach people about the subject that you love. Some people would.
On the other hand,
Who would want to break their back working hard for a chance to get a free higher education and a stipend to then move to the country with the most amount of opportunities to pursue your career? A lot of people would, and so there is a lot of pressure and as a result higher level of winning candidates.

The University only benefits in all cases from all sides because it's unlikely that a lot of graduates will return home and even those that do will be cooperative in the future

>>15263189
I had exactly one black classmate for exactly one class in all the college math classes I took, and it turns out she got the room number wrong and left after a few very awkward minutes.

>>15265251
I don't know what the conversion factor between Euro and American credits is, but the only requirements here that I didn't cover in my state u math bs are physics and numerical analysis. Both were available, I just didn't take them. I went to a medium-sized school that definitely wasn't known for its math program.

>>15265255
>>15265251
My CS degree (BS) was
>Calc 1
>Calc 2
>a discrete math course
>a combinatorics course
>one course from lin al/calc 3/diffy q/number theory/geometry/statistics (I chose lin al)
My Math degree (BA) was
>Calc 3
>Proofs class
>abstract algebra
>math history (lmao)
>Calc 1/Calc 2/Lin Al/Discrete Math/Combinatorics/cryptography class from my CS degree
I would probably have most of part 2, bud I'd be fucked for part 1

>>15270332
Did your school offer a BS degree in math?

>>15270387
A math BS would've been the same as the BA except for adding
>2 classes of topology
>complex analysis
I started as a CS major and would've had to stay an extra semester for the BS.

>>15263177
diversity hires

>>15265251
I've taken all of those courses except measure and integration as a dedicated course, and I went to a mid tier institution. The courses are offered, but the minimum requirements for graduation which most students pursue leaves graduates weak in math. I didn't have to take topology or galois theory for example.

>>15265295
>University of South Carolina in Columbia (the real USC)
I went to UVirginia, I am certain that those courses were available to you but you chose to not take them and opted for the minimum degree requirements or other electives. Your university has a graduate math program, therefore you could have taken graduate courses with the simple approval of your department. In Virginia we are given the option to complete an accelerated masters along with a BS, which is what I did.

>>15265204
Can't you read? That clearly shows young people bad. The golden generation is my age, at about 40.

>>15265294
>whiteness bad
>but its okay if Asians, blacks, and Mexicans funnel drugs through our reservations to keep us content

>>15263185
Tremendous cope. It’s actually because Americans as a whole, regardless of race, are absolutely retarded at math. They have a culture that makes sucking at math cool/normal. Being good at it makes you a weirdo. No shit you’re gonna get a society that can’t produce mathematicians.

>>15263185
/thread

>>15263177
@pipkinpippa

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Lyran Catboys have high IQ and the best science, math and technology skills.

High level of scientific and technological knowledge is essential for upper hand Strategic for #capippalist warfare.

Business & Finance Reptilians fear the STEM Cat boy Lyran Samurai.

>>>/x/34302266

>>15263177
Almost makes you think there's some kind of systemic racism at work in the employment process, doesn't it?

>>15265331
Euphemism for what?
It's quite straight forward and no reason not to take it at face value if you've seen it.
Not saying I've seen an indian takeover, but I have seen how insular and cliquish indians can be in IT and it wouldn't take much for them to just expand until it's unbearable for everyone else.

>>15265251
LMAO, this is true AF.

>>15265288
>almost all of part 1 during my first 3 semesters
bull fucking shit.
That's 4 courses a semester meaning you would have done zero CS or other math classes in that time.

>>15272824
I don't know how you little shit work in America but we did 5-6 courses for the first 4 semesters. the first semseter only had 1 CS class, which is DS&A. CS content are only in focus from year 1.5 on. 25-50% ish students failed calc 1 and calc 2 in the first year. the filter rate is quite high, with around 30% admitted undegrad students failing to get the degree.

do foreigners not take gen eds?

>>15263177
all unitedstatesians at that level pick finance over being paid peanuts

>>15264801
the economy reoriented itself and nobody bothered to tell students

Finance, Military, Tech management is where you want to be

>>15270332
my math BS
calc1/2/3
proofs class
lin alg 1/2/3
abstract algebra
stats
advanced probability
mathematical stats
ordinary diff eq
PDE
real analysis
number theory
operations research


Your courseload sounds more like a minor...

>>15274915
NTA but that sounds more like the difference between a BA and a BS in math

>>15274915
>lin alg 1/2/3
?????

>>15274915
I did a BA. A math BS would've been
>calc 1/2/3
>proofs class
>linear algebra (one semester)
>abstract algebra
>real analysis 1/2
>complex analysis
and then 4 math electives, so to match yours I would've done
>ordinary diff eq
>pde
>number theory
>mathematical stats
but I didn't have enough time to do the real analysis path (it would've added an extra semester)

>>15263177
How do you not understand yet that the usa just buys it's talent from across the globe rather than train it's own population. You can get away with a poor education system when you're rich.

>>15264388
Only the applied ones.

>>15277241
this. field medalist and abel prize winners are all in universities. only the applied sellout cucks go to industry.

>>15265251
What's wrong with it? That's basic bitch bachelor's course
It's literally saying that you need to finish bachelors to do masters.
I do masters in materials science and the requirements were twice as long, so what's the issue?
We had:
4 different math courses
4 different physics courses, including quantum mechanics and solid state physics
4 different chemistry courses
4 courses about electronics and electronic materials
8 courses about metals, polymers, glass, including phase diagrams etc
4 courses about crystallography

Overall it was 180 credits except for some reason each course rewarded half of the credits students from other faculties got.

>>15278946
Here's the full thing, I might have counted wrong

>>15278950
they dont do gen eds?

>>15279307
The what?

>>15263177
if you want the real answer, it's because white americans are only interested in money and lack intellectual curiosity

>>15279307
the only gen ed I did was military practice. It only took one month and was before the first semester started.

>>15263177
>go to R1 top 100 university in America
>upper level math professors are from Vietnam, China, Japan, Mexico, Poland, Germany, South Korea, Bosnia, England, and Canada
>none except for english and canadian are fluent english speakers
imagine being too stupid to be able to learn a foreign language even though doing your job successfully depends on it
imagine being completely immune to criticism and protected by the federal government from complaints by citizen-students due to affirmative action law
maybe americans are bad at math because their math instructors are incapable of communicating in the native language, why are all those third worlders doing in america to begin with? not good enough to land a math teaching job at home?

>>15263177
what else is a guy gonna do to stay sane?

I haven't read through every post but so far I have seen no mention of the following:
>US universities are highly incentivised to enroll foreign students because they can charge considerably more for tuition
>I have no personal experience in the matter but I've heard pursuing a PhD isn't a great return on investment
>many of these foreign students need consistent employment to stay in the US. Once again, I heard professor wages are poor in comparison to the private sector. The universities are incentivised yet again to employ the cheapest option aka slave labor.
>The US actively tries to poach the smartest or most educated people from around the world to undercut other nations.

I knew something was amiss years ago when a Vietnamese immigrate -- who had absolutely no grasp of the language -- was teaching an upper level course on a fairly complicated subject. All students should be outraged at this as the entire purpose of education should be to convey information and it's an absolute failure if you cannot even communicate it properly.

>>15283555
>pursuing a PhD isn't a great return on investment
That is only true if you did PhD in a crapshoot field (humanities) where the PhD is not funded and you have to pay out of your pocket, in addition to student loan debt you incurred during your undergrad.
For a STEM field (CS), doing a PhD is financially beneficial

(cont'd)
Also professor wage is not that poor. And wage is not the reason to go to private sector or not. My professor at an Ivy make 250k a year. He spend almost 2 mil on grand money on the lab annually. He said he can make x5 if he go to a private company but doesnt want to work on meaningless shit for money.

>>15283565
Obviously there are exceptions. Should have prefaced with 'generally speaking'. You could argue from a financial perspective that the opportunity cost of pursuing a PhD in CS is very high. Even with a master's degree and applicable skills it's not uncommon to clear $200k+ working for the FAGMAN companies -- granted the landscape might have just permanently shifted in the last 6 months.

>>15283579
Let's be realistic, how many Ivy League positions are available? I assume it's relatively small. The salaries are going to following a normal distribution and -- completely anecdotal -- it would be bad advice to direct all PhD student in that direction especially when the private sector has far more options and higher salary on average.

>>15283555
If you're talking about the US
>foreign students pay more
This is generally not true. Private universities have no legal cap on domestic student fees. They do have a 10% cap on undergrad international students to be eligible for federal grants. Certain state universities do only subsidise students from that state.

>PhD isn't great financially
Professors are generally well paid, it's like being an extremely high class teacher. Many universities offer incentives to patent your research as well. The fees are considerable but if you go to a good university, it's a decent living

>foreign students need consistent employment
Foreign workers do. Students need a visa for study, which is a separate thing.

>Vietnamese student who can't even communicate properly
>their purpose is to convey information
Professors are not there to educate you, technically speaking. Modern universities are treated as essentially vocational colleges, which is vastly different from their original intent. As per the Prussian model, universities were largely dedicated to pure research, teaching was secondary and intended to teach the next generation of researchers. But the rise of industrialisation and engineers created a demand for skilled labour, which at the lower end was bridged by vocational schools, and at the higher end universities. Undergrad/bachelor's originally signified an extremely junior member of a University. In many research focused unis, this tradition continues in that high level professors barely teach or don't teach at all.

>>15283595
Professors are generally well paid, white collar level. Elite professors make much more, especially from textbooks, directorships, research, books, etc.

>>15283595
Ivyish school hire tons of professors due to how large and how much money they have. Generally, if you are a professor in STEM, even at a shitty school, you can get at least 100k easily. The kicker is the pension and benefits tho so you don't have to worry about saving money for retirement. Work is low stress and generally much more satisfying than in industry. It's a very comfy job.

>>15283625
(cont'd)
also, in CS, if you are a famous professors, companies will pay you like half a million a year just to have you on their website and do nothing else for them. if you are well connected, you and your PhD students can also do consultant work for companies, which can pay 200-500/hour. so there is not really an incentive for top professors in CS to go to industry.

>>15263740
>he thinks non-job related slots mean anything

School slots are artificial by nature. It's already established that Education institutions limit slots since it feigns a level of "prestige" that the masses would not otherwise associate with. Why do you think these schools advertise their acceptance, retention and graduation rates?

Nothing is fundamentally lost here and I'm tired of you trilobites acting like it is. Those 300 non-blacks (or whatever number you attribute to the real world) you bitch about not getting in because of affirmative action, would have never been brought in because the institutions wasn't interested in them in the first place. If an education institution which has the intrinsic ability to decrease or increase its own slots for various non-monetary reasons why would it matter how many slots it has? Shit like "perceived effectiveness" for example, where each teacher serving a set number of students is not verifiably objective. We already know that objectively one on one sessions is the best way to generally teach students. But you can't make enough money for an institution with just one student per class. So can you cite some golden ratio for the amount of students a single teacher can serve that optimizes grade achievement and financial gain received by each student attending there by the institution? You probably can't.

It earnestly pisses me off I have to share the same space as you dolts who can't see the rat race here. One would have thought the student loan debt debacle or nursing/doctor """shortage""" would have enlighten you about the games Education institutions play. But I guess not.

>>15283614
>This is generally not true
Stopped reading there. Very convenient for you to cherry picked private universities for your 'generalized' statement.

>>15283736
No, I mean it could be true at certain states I am not aware of. But no state in the US enforces some kind of tuition cap on fees only for Americans. But many do have American only subsidies. It is done in some British and European universities, but the idea has been transplanted by disgruntled people into that American universities work the same.

>>15283614
>They do have 10% cap on undergrad
>UNDERGRAD
Lmao, yeah, there's like no international students at the undergrad level. They make up a tiny piece of pie of any student body.... But that's undergrad

Graduate school is a different beast and they are definitely milking those foreign students like cows.

Professors literally are there to educate, why else would they be evaluated based on that? Anyway, you're showing your retardation. Most R1 schools have dedicated research faculty because they're not stupid and know students come to learn. Many of my professors both in undergrad and graduate school were literally ONLY lecturers (like they didn't do much of any research and were teaching 4+ courses).

There's no excuse for shitty professors. No course at the graduate or undergrad level is so complex and new that only a handful of professors can teach it. They're simply isn't enough demand for that. Once you get to that specialization, it's all self study anyway

>>15283811
>Professors literally are there to educate, why else would they be evaluated based on that? Anyway, you're showing your retardation. Most R1 schools have dedicated research faculty because they're not stupid and know students come to learn. Many of my professors both in undergrad and graduate school were literally ONLY lecturers (like they didn't do much of any research and were teaching 4+ courses).

lol. you don't know what you are talking about. tenure evaluation are always research first, teaching second. some position don't even evaluate teaching.

at most decent enough universities, professor main job is research and bringing in grant money. one course max per semseter is all they teach. you probably went to a shit school and think everywhere else must be the same as your shitty school. you are a retarded vermin.

>>15283811
>Many of my professors both in undergrad and graduate school were literally ONLY lecturers (like they didn't do much of any research and were teaching 4+ courses).
Such low IQ take lmao. Profs actually love to do lectures for some reason. The most busy profs usually do like 4 out of 12-14 lectures per semester and get some replacement.
I even have multiple professors from industry coming over to hold a lecture once a week.
One is vice president of some major electronics company and still enjoys doing lectures.
So to profs holding lectures is more of a hobby or some sort. It's not like they actually spend a lot of time on it, considering that all the presentations are made by their subordinates.

bump

>>15263185
>muh victimization
No, you faggot queer larper. It's because you're lazy and Asian students study, while whites are fapping and smoking pot. I mean honestly, how dumb do you have to be to actually believe your post?