/sci/ - Science & Math

hop wen

>First attempt in the next month or so hopefully

the Japanese rocket fail didn't it

>>15256526
next month at the earliest I guess

>>15256526
you need hope for hop

>>15255144
Got 185 tabs open right now. And yes it's all links about topics I plan to research later

>>15256521
Who the fuck is Phantom Space and Vaya Space

>>15256562
Memelaunch companies need to fucking die already

>>15256283
>solar bottomed out around 20-25 cents per watt
>not even including any battery systems
RIP solarfags.

>>15256562
They’re both smallsat launching also-rans. Phantom Space is building a rocket called Daytona using a bunch of engines bought from Ursa Major. Vaya Space is fucking around with hybrids.

>>15256562
Nice website lmao

>>15256588
it hasn't bottomed out. the trend will continue. Also consider that solar panels last a very long time and require no maintenance. they lose only about 0.75% of the power each year. We will need to build more pumped storage plants./

>>15256588
Hydrogen from the rocks will destroy those hackfrauds. Handmer will rope soon.

>>15256532
Second stage failed to ignite, rso had to have the H-3 self destruct

>phonefag

>>15256604
>the trend will continue
Well the current trend is upwards, so I'd sure hope not.

>>15256606
>Hydrogen
Enjoy your embrittlement, hydrocarbons are the best chemical fuels for a reason.

>>15256603
Whoever these vaya space people are are delusional

> The CEO has an impressive goal of ramping up to 50 launches a year by 2024, just one year after flight operations are scheduled to begin.

Hahahahahahahaha

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/07/vaya-space-star-3d/

>>15256608
What about it bitch? I’m jerking off in bed to big ass Latina porn, posting here in between. not gonna get on my desktop to post here

>>15256588
if solar panel cost follows wrights law (like it and any manufactured product really), then additional cost increases just need a lot more scale
Wrights law is an empirical observation that for every doubling of the cumulative manufacturing of a product, the cost to produce that product decreases by a certain percent, which is also called the learning rate
https://medium.com/clean-integration/what-can-wrights-law-teach-us-about-renewable-energy-cbedb35a9bd7

Similar to Swanson's law which is specific to solar panels I guess
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swanson%27s_law

Solar PV learning rate is 20%

>>15255144
Yeah its a real problem, I have a tab limiter addon for a reason.

>>15256618
do you use some client or post straight form the browser?

>>15256618
>year 1; 1 launch
>year 2: 50 launches

>>15256615
That's the neat part: You combine the geologic hydrogen with atmospheric CO2 to make carbon neutral methane. Ugly ass basedlar panels are no longer needed.

>>15256642
Total meme, its an energy sink

>>15256642
Retarded post

>>15256562
> Vaya Space was founded in 2017 by former NASA astronaut and Shuttle commander and pilot Sid Gutierrez. The company is headquartered in Cocoa, Florida with subsidiaries in Brazil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AM1I3jGf94

>>15256644
Whereas using solar PV to make methane isn't an energy sink? Do tell

>>15256665
You misunderstand, using solar to make methane is a meme as well.

>>15256670
Nope.

>>15256657
>with subsidiaries in Brazil.
Wut? Brazil's space program is a joke, why would they set stuff there, there isn't an industry in South America for this kind of thing, unless they are there just for launch location reasons

Why doesnt NHTSA investigate the Dragon docking failures on Crew 6? Falcon 9 should be grounded until we figure out what the hell is going on

>>15256622
Too bad renewables are always going to suck.

>>15256642
>You combine the geologic hydrogen with atmospheric CO2 to make carbon neutral methane.
What do you think drives the Sabatier process dummy? Do you think mixing CO2 and hydrogen will spontaneously generate methane?

>>15256679
Wait, it hasn't docket yet?

>>15256680
Precisely, the EROI is pretty poor and when adding storage it gets even worse.

>>15256680
what do you mean? they are already cost competitive and will become way more cheaper than fossil fuels in the future
both solar and battery costs are going down

>>15256554
This fucks with your productivity, anon. Just bookmark anything useful. Use folders and subfolders on your bookmark bar. Use meaningful names for the folders.

>>15256687
>EROI
as long as its over 1, it doesnt matter at all nigga
LCOE is the factor that matters

>>15256683
No, you burn some hydrogen to get the energy to drive the process. It's worth it for the convenience of hydrocarbons. If you had some magic hydrogen storage/piping method you wouldn't bother ofc.

>>15256692
> it doesnt matter at all nigga
Tell that to shale now that there's no ZIRP to prop it up.

>>15256700
it doesn't, you are bringing up money again
the right metric is LCOE, not EROI

As its first new rocket in over 20 years, Japan has so far sunk some $1.5 billion into developing the H3 as a competitor to SpaceX's Falcon 9.

>>15256685
No no, they docked on Friday.

>>15256701
>>15256700
with EROI you can determine if its possible to run an economy with this specific energy source at all, if its under 1 then you can't
but other than that its kind of irrelevant
what matters is the cost, LCOE (levelized cost of energy), which takes into account the needed energy to start the process already as an input cost

>>15256688
Storage costs are currently not a factor for them. While battery costs may be going down, having a battery system large enough to support a significant portion of the grid being intermittent renewables would make the prices skyrocket.

https://twitter.com/ElonMusk/status/1630973165009764352

>No we're still aiming for mid-late March launch. Greater than 50% chance of launch in April. The team is working hard getting it done every day!

>>15256705
a renewable grid would actually be cheaper than the current grid t: elon
manufacturing lots of batteries will make manufacturing batteries cheaper

>>15256706
>LCOE (levelized cost of energy)
You mean the metric which explicitly gives renewables a bonus and is not indicative of their real world performance?

>>15256707
doomers BTFO

>>15256710
lol

Solar is based and I'm not gonna read the thread.

>>15256722
lolcoe

>>15256724
>I'm not gonna read the thread
Low on battery? lol

>>15256728
no point in arguing if you are just going to call everything "its fraud"
like arguing with a creationist
lmao

>>15256724
Space solar is based - no nighttime, no weather. Geosolar? Nah.

Solar and renewables + batteries are going to become the backbone of the energy sector just due to economics
just like electric cars are going to
climate change or whatever is irrelevant

>>15256731
>dismissing one inherently biased metric is calling everything fraud
>pointing out shortcomings and challenges of renewables or how they aren't a magic cure-all is equivalent to being a creationist
The mind of the solarfag.

THE ABSOLUTE STATE
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1633253950198624257

>>15256738
you just say its explicitly biased without actually doing so explicitly
the metric is not biased you retarded, it can be calculated in a biased way, sure, just like almost everything, but calling the metric itself biased due to that is retarded as fuck
also even talking about EROI in this context is pants on head retarded and completely irrelevant
cheap money (ZIRP) and the proportion of how much energy you get when you use a certain amount of energy to build an energy generation plant are completely unrelated that you even bringing it should have been the cue for the discussion to stop

>>15256746
yikes

>>15256724
it's based for use on Earth but not based in space

>>15256746
Never apologize you moron
It's over

>>15256746
he's just laying out the paper trail of remorse and correction for the inevitable lawsuit

>>15256532
JAXA is another meme agency like ESA, whith no intention of doing anything relevant in the next 20 years.
The expander cycle engine of H3 doesn't upscale due to the relation to the heating surface of the nozzle.
It looks like they are happy with just a more efficient 8 tonner, just like ESA with their Ariane 6. So no reusability, no heavy launchers, nothing, just more of the 1990s.

>>15256746
Dude fucking roasted him alive and is then like “uwu sorry, always better to talk than to fling insults!”
Kek I love musk but he’s a fucking retard

>>15256755
Yeah his lawyers probably called him once they saw the tweet. INB4 $50 million settlement over defamation & wrongful termination

>>15256757
>ESA with their Ariane 6
It is too late to cancel it when the rocket is almost finished you have have dozens of scheduled flights. At least Arianespace is already working on their reusable rocket.

>>15256697
Not a bad idea. You can use cogeneration and you don't have to stop production because the sun goes down. The only issue is transporting that garbage.

>>15256763
would be 100mil for premature termination just from the contract

>>15256746
Nice. I hope it tanks tesla stock so I could buy some. In the long term, the twatter drama doesn't matter. He only does it to generate more traffic and ad revenue.

>>15256757
Japanese newspace is actually growing pretty fast

>>15256746
lmao he succumbed to social pressure, it was going to be like that thai cave incident all over again
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/07/tech/elon-musk-twitter-employee-disability/index.html
>Elon Musk publicly mocks Twitter worker with disability who is unsure whether he’s been laid off

oh shit
https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1633257666138247168

what did we learn from this? don't hire disabled people

>>15256766
If you want to be somebody in the geopolitical scene you need a heavy launcher.
The EU prefers to stay as a colony of the US, and so does Japan.

>>15256707
based

>>15256778
>what did we learn from this
Elon is a heartless cunt

>>15256774
>He only does it to generate more traffic and ad revenue.
No he does it because he's a dork and has become too accustomed to yes men and yes women (like his mother)

>>15256786
Wow Anon, what a genius take.

why are disabled people above ridicule?

>>15256748
Cheap money means intermittent power sources aren't penalized for destabilizing the grid with over/underproduction. Dunk hot rocks in water and be done with it.

>>15256795
Who says they are?

>>15256778
This guy really just won the lottery. Wouldn't be surprised if Musk broke upwards of a dozen different state and federal labor laws with this retarded stunt.

>>15256800
the reaction to musks latest shitposting

>>15256763
>>15256746
Am I autistic? Where and how exactly is he mocking that guy?

17 HOURS UNTIL
THE FIRST ORBITAL METHANE FUELED ROCKET.
SUCCESSFUL LAUNCH AND PAYLOAD DEPLOYMENT GUARANTEED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR8I6BdgxQU

>>15256809
Not really in that image. You need to read his posts with replies around that time.

>>15256810

>>15256796
wrong, people don't like the electricity going out even if its "cheaper", but over/underproduction just means that there needs to be more batteries and better grid managment

>>15256746
>>15256786
He's just unironically too autistic, he's not able to read social cues very well and, thus, seems like a dick.

>batteries
kill this fag meme already.
low efficiency mass produced methane generators are two orders of magnitude cheaper because they use existing natural gas infrastructure.

>>15256818
wrong

>>15256810
Someone post that image you know the one
edit it with

>Door 1
Vega C

>Door 2
H-3

>Door 3
Terran 1

the grid battery wave is just about to start
first they will take out natural gas peaker plants, they are cheaper than them already
tesla megapacks have a 2 year waiting period

>>15256821
no that's right. it's cheaper to build twice as much generation plus sabatier generators than it is to make enough batteries to get a country through the winter deficit from solar.

>>15256817
That's not it. The one and only problem is him shitposting under his real name.

>>15256827
christ what a retarded comparison

>>15256826
>shitposting under his real name.
Again, because he's too autistic.

>>15256829
>no argument

>>15256830
Just like me, but I learned a lesson when my account got banned.

>>15256837
Who's going to ban Musk's account?

>>15256832
whats the point of arguing with a complete non sequitur
its like I'm talking to someone with brain damage and schizophrenia, or thunderfoot
right now, grid batteries are cheaper than gas peaker plants and will replace them first
eventually they will be used for uses as well when they get cheaper
a renewable grid does not mean that you just build solar + batteries to last over the winter months, that is a completely retarded strawman
you build wind, other renewable, nuclear, long term non-battery storage for winters when wind is not enough (hydrogen, heat the ground in the summer so it takes less energy to use heatpumps, more long distance connections between grids)

>>15256848
i fully agree then

>>15256847
His mom.

>>15256851
she's his number one fan. she was praising how great his decision was when they wanted to ban links to any other social media platform.

>>15256855
His dad then.

>>15256801
further proof that the very nature of twatter encourages toxic behavior

>>15256857
his dad is even more of a cunt than elon is

>>15256562
Both are frauds.
Phantom pretended a photoshop of their paper rocket was real until they were called out on it, which remains their biggest moment of fame. It is owned by Jim Cantrell, noted fraud and previously the one behind Vector Space.
Vaya's paper rocket has hybrid motors. I think its owner was found guilty of fraud in court related to some health drink business.
I know everything at the Cape is leased, but can they just pull SLC-13 out from under SpaceX like that? Sure, they can probably just build landing pads at the launch sites now, but still rude.

>ABL
They said before they wanted to use that pad Astra and the hypersonic missile test have used. And RS1 shouldn't need more than that really. Is this for RS2?

Remember this whenever you see people shitting on Elon and his companies
https://twitter.com/ihors3/status/1632857249839284225

>>15256865
Exactly why he'd ban Elon. Can't have anyone trying to upstage him.

>>15256779
>you need a heavy launcher
>H3 Heavy
>is literally the the Delta IV Heavy reborn at a quarter the price

>>15256606
>Hydrogen from the rocks
Total meme, derived by applying the models for petroleum directly to hydrogen, without taking into account the different properties of hydrogen.

>>15256873
>Phantom pretended a photoshop of their paper rocket was real
Oh shit that's those guys?

>>15256892
Yeah. They also won a NASA cubesat launch contract a few months ago.

>>15256887
>>15256815

What about that newspace company that purposefully showed a video of a failed test on their website in which employees were seen running from the rocket due to debris/plumes?

It's not because he's disabled lol.
The guy he fired wasn't a regular employee, he was the owner of a product/company that twitter acquired, but instead of a payout he got a salary and a position with Twitter.
There is likely a severe penalty for improper breach of his contract and that's the reason for the backpedaling.

>>15256898
Pythom. They're an Arca level meme, beyond mere Phantoms and Vayas.
https://www.pythom.space/

>>15256896
Oh kek the disingenuous CGI photo

>>15256899
I don’t care, it was funny for 2 seconds but now it’s annoying

>>15256904
That generated laughs at the Astra office.

>>15256746
Arrest Musk now

>>15256896
is that real? did they really post some early 2000 CGI render and pretended it was a real existing prototype for investors and internet fame? lmao. when was this? if somewhere in the last 4 years they got scammed by whatever photoshop/CGI 3D artist they hired for the job, I have non-professional hobbyist friends who can make better/more realistic looking models than that shit in still images.

>>15256724
Solar is fine in space or if you can find a peak of eternal light on a body with a good solar flux. Otherwise its a meme.

>>15256914
https://spaceexplored.com/2021/01/18/phantom-space-doctors-nasa-orion-photo-to-portray-fake-rocket-factory-and-vehicle/
January 2021

Just finished 4 Peronis and am going to go play KSP

>>15256904
that was so funny, the orange poisonous fumes and people running
lmaooo

We live during the Wacky Races era of rocketry, and that's a good thing

>>15256926
>orange poisonous fumes
fibbing newfag

>>15256904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ1j85VgALA

>>15256917
IDK, grid power prices inreased from 36 cents to 45 cents / kwh in my country in just the last year, I'm actually considering getting solar on my roof despite knowing its a meme at this point, I think with current prices shit (full system with battery etc) will pay for itself in like 9 years according to a rather generous calculation I made a few weeks ago.

>>15256923
lol, lmao even.

>>15256932
>https://www.pythom.space/
Lol wtf is this lmfao

sigh

>>15256950
defund NASA

>>15256956
I just wonder if its deliberate or just ignored and misunderstood and underfunded or what, what is taking so long

I'm guessing the requirement for it to work to be far outside of Earth's magnetosphere requiring a very expensive and risky mission for what is essentially a tech demo is part of it but still

>>15256950
Woah based I need to study this

>>15256965
Yeah pretty based concept, the dynamic soaring idea uses one except adds another one to generate lift or something and then use that to soar on the heliopause, absolutely crazy ideas I hope they all work

>>15256928
Whos Penelope Pitstop?

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1513319622350716929

https://vimeo.com/690376951

>>15256972

>>15256562
https://twitter.com/stoke_space/status/1633279228572741632
Stoke is teasing it, it's real

>>15256962
There's no pressing need for it right now. We're just struggling to make getting to LEO something we can do routinely and cheaply. If the plasma magnet works, it'll still work in 10 years when we're in a position to exploit it. No rush.
The plasma magnet also ties in to Ruth Bamford's demonstration that magnetic shielding of cosmic rays is much easier than expected. Both systems rely upon creating a screen of electrons which deflect the much heavier protons, rather than having the magnetic field do all the work of deflecting the protons.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/04/pythom-space-tests-its-rocket-with-questionable-safety-practices/

>>15256987
>run to quick conclusions and judgment
If only your employees could have run so fast

>>15256972
fuck safety lmao

>>15256562
What the fuck. How is SpaceX supposed to perform RTLS now? Why did NASA do that?

>>15256972
>>15256975
>>15256991
based

people are thinking that s24 will roll out tomorrow

>>15256975
its perfectly safe bro, just breathe in the fumes

>>15256997
Wrong, it's for S26. They are also starting the work on water deluge so no launch till August.

>>15256994
pour some concrete on some blank corner of SLC-40, bam, landing pad

>>15256975
>muh scary chemicals

>>15256817
>caring about retarded social cues

Welp. So, here's the probable rub with Elon's fuck up with that dude and his disability ousting. That dude in question lives in Iceland. Which has very strong labor laws. On top of that, said dude won Iceland's Person of the Year award in 2022. The entire country LOVES this guy.

It doesn't matter anyone that Elon apologized. Apology is insufficient for breach of law both of US and Icelandic law. Expect a lawsuit. This is going to drag Tesla and SpaceX hard in the coming weeks and months, if not years. Of all the possible ways Elon could have fucked up, this is by and large, the single biggest fuck up he's ever conducted and is one fuck up that he won't be able to escape. Even if the person in question doesn't choose to sue. Department of Labor can draft a lawsuit and send a letter over to Musk. Iceland for example, in retaliation, could sanction Musk or ban Tesla products into their market if they were feeling vindictive as a nation.

This will not blow over. Him buying Twitter was a mistake. He should have built his own platform.

>>15256987
Safety should be illegal.

>>15257020
Iceland has like 12 people who cares
Elon could easily buy the whole country unironically

>>15256972
Vimeo video doesn't show this frame, and the youtube link is down due to copyright claim from Pythom

>>15257020
Trolling outside of /b/

>>15257020
And how many people Iceland got? who even bother driving?
Pretty sure Elon can survive Iceland's embargo on Tesla.
PS you won't ever pass as a woman

Musk could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn't lose any stans, okay?

>>15257020
Didn't America annex Iceland or something?

>>15257020
What an insightful thought you have; I don't care

>>15257020
icelands population is like 200k people
its irrelevant

>>15257030
well, depends on the circumstances

>>15257020
>welp
Stopped reading there, kill yourself nigger

>>15257037
My God, it's 2/3rds the population of St Paul Minnesota

>>15257033
Trump was trying to buy Greenland from Denmark because of Thule AFB.

>>15256980
Well its frustrating when it has the potential to revolutionize outer solar system exploration compared to the way we do things now and as you said offer shielding for spacecraft, and the only way to know for sure is to have it actually tested in space which no one looks to be keen on doing including NASA

It's just such a wrong way of doing things, waiting for the conditions to come rather than immediately examining their possibility and potential and using it if possible. If it becomes common knowledge it works and can serve to deflect cosmic / solar radiation that could spur new interest and hope in human spaceflight and have ripple effects down the line as people realize we have the technology to overcome these obstacles and even traverse the solar system at insane speeds under some degree of control.

I hate when groundbreaking tech like this is just sat on and ignored, how many planetary scientists are laboring under the assumption that chemical propulsion and multiple flybys and decade long traverse is the only way to handle scientific exploration of the solar system I wonder, when this shows us we could do so much more (if it works)

The assumption is that there must be first a mission requiring these speeds in order to justify the development and technology demonstration rather than being an intrinsic effort to discover, design and develop propulsion techniques for the sake of enabling new opportunities and possibilities and then the missions follow.

At least MSFS understands that somewhat since their people are working on not just the new RDE but the e-sail tech demonstrator too, which is good because if plasma sails don't work but e-sails do that's still an order of magnitude greater speed in the solar system than we have now

So Webb has actually found something interesting, neat
https://www.colorado.edu/today/2023/02/22/webb-telescope-spots-super-old-massive-galaxies-shouldnt-exist

>>15257054
E-sails can tack into the solar wind. Plasma magnets are solar spinnakers. A solar schooner would have both, and probably some chemical rockets for raising orbit out of a magnetosphere.

>>15257069
>E-sails can tack into the solar wind
Ah didn't know that that's good, more capability is always better

>and probably some chemical rockets for raising orbit out of a magnetosphere.
I favor electric-solid propellant for that so you don't have to worry about plumbing in your spacecraft at all, it can be simpler and lighter, and safer

>>15257054
I agree, and I feel the same about the findings about mini-magnetospheres which would revolutionize spacecraft shielding. There is already direct proof that these work (lunar swirls associate with magnetic anomalies indicate deflection of solar particle radiation).
There's a potential for things to suddenly start moving much faster than expected this decade. I think by 2030 the solar system will be much different than it is now.

>>15257065
It always pisses me off when retard nigger brains say things like “X shouldn’t exist” like that even means anything.

>>15257025
yeah because they removed it

>>15257082
Man I hope so, on both the human spaceflight and robotic space exploration fronts

>>15256824
Can you prove that they actually are cheaper without using some meme graphs?

>>15257084
the title should be "Retard scientists back to the drawing board after JWST mogs their ill-conceived theories— what the fuck are we paying them for?"

https://twitter.com/SLDelta45/status/1633268315765493760
okay, there's the official pad news

>>15257104
After all, it's called Bing Bang Theory.

>>15257114
Who banged?

>>15257117
Bing banged

>>15257118
Bing chilling

>>15257030
As long as that help us getting to Mars then I don't see a problem with it.

>>15257117
God banged itself or something, idk

I honestly hope that Elon does get the shit sued out of him over this. It won't actually impact him in such a way that he's brought to his knees, obviously, but also it will probably be enough money to make him stop with the retarded tweeting. He wasn't like this before he bought Twitter. Then he bought Twitter and clearly thought, "Well, I can do whatever I want now." This would just serve as a reminder that, no, he can't do whatever he wants. After the pedoguy tweet he shut the fuck up about virtually anything that was non-company related for like five years.

>>15257117
BING CHILLING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKydOXlJvL4

>>15257131
Agreed. You should be able to be the world's richest man without also being the world's biggest douchebag.

>>15257030
Given the average kind of ""person"" on the streets of 5th Avenue he should get some kind of medal for that.

>>15257079
Chemical is always going to be orders of magnitude faster for impulsive dV in a planet or moon's gravity well.

>>15257139
>he mean!!11
Cope and seethe

>>15257131
Why can elon get sued for such simple stuff like a twitter post when my boss literally rapes our interns?

>>15257147
Rape your boss to establish dominance over the entire office.

>>15257102
not really sure what you mean by that, probably not (I assume LCOE is not acceptable)
as you are comparing things that aren't identical, there is going to have to be some metric
the studies that are done, are probably mostly from sources that are biased in some way so you are going to dismiss them, the total cost will probably depend on the specific place you build them and so on

https://www.energy-storage.news/battery-storage-30-cheaper-than-new-gas-peaker-plants-australian-study-finds/

> The authors of CEC’s new paper, ‘Battery storage: the new, clean peaker,’ found that a 250MW, four-hour (1,000MWh) battery system in New South Wales would be a cheaper option for meeting peak demand than a 250MW new-build OCGT from both levelised cost of energy (LCOE) and levelised cost of capacity (LCOC) perspectives.

https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/latest-news-headlines/natural-gas-in-transition-grid-balancing-tactics-in-flux-as-battery-costs-fall-64822077

> "Lithium-ion battery storage can already beat gas peaking plants on costs for up to two or three hours of daily power balancing," BloombergNEF associate Tifenn Brandily said in an interview. But battery technology is not there beyond that time frame, Brandily said.

in the end, time will tell

>>15257143
Okay yeah good point, I guess these are better for low impulse RCS

>>15257131
I get your point but I don't think a slap on the wrist, a huge legal penalty, or the guy just straight up forgiving him would change a damn thing. Elon needs two things: space flight competition (either domestic, unlikely, or foreign, also unlikely... but he needs it) and subsequent "free reign" from the FAA to do whatever he damn well pleases (because of the threat of the chinese or because the gooberment knows commercial competition for giant ass heavy lift rockets would be good)

>>15257131
>he shut the fuck up about virtually anything that was non-company related for like five years.
Buying titter was mistake

>>15257131
>After the pedoguy tweet he shut the fuck up about virtually anything that was non-company related for like five years.

not true, he has been shitposting pretty regularly, people whining up a storm every now and then
apologizing might have been a mistake

>>15256618
goals are not impressive, meeting them is
fuckers

So how long until he starts publicly mocking the presid- ah never mind.

>>15257191
The president of what

Work in progress, if anyone is curious about /sfg/ drawfag stuff

>>15257177
I am talking about five years ago, dude. Back when the kids caught in the cave fiasco happened and Elon called that Australian dude who led the rescue a "pedo guy" and then lost like 25 million in a lawsuit for defamation.

>>15257232
he won the lawsuit you retard

>>15257231
dent the engine bell, she’s comfy this way

>>15256521
Space karen

>>15257232
Everyone should just shut the fuck up and get back to talking about space and spaceflight, Jesus. It'd serve all of us right to get tempbanned for participating in this stupid derailment.

>>15257131
>>15257139
If that icelandic cripple didn't want to be disabled, he shouldn't have been a criminal in his past life.

godilovemylar

>>15257265
Mylar fetish > latex fetish

I'm going to make so much fucking money shorting the stock of small launch companies, missed the boat on Astra and not doing that again.

>>15257272

>>15257265

Astra's Rocket 3, Feb. 10, 2022 launch failure.
Chinese Hyperbola 1 on May 13, 2022 launch failure.
Astra suffered a second failure of 2022 on June 12.
India launched rocket named the Small Satellite Launch Vehicle (SSLV) on Aug. 6, with a fourth and final stage failure.
Blue Origin's New Shepard Sept. 12, 2022 science-only mission failed during launch.
Firefly made its second attempt to launch with its Alpha rocket on Oct. 1, 2022 however, the payloads being inserted into lower-than-intended orbits, and the satellites reentering the atmosphere already on Oct. 5.
Skyrora attempted the launch of a suborbital rocket from the coast of Iceland Oct. 8, 2022 with the target of reaching an altitude of 77 miles (125 kilometers) The rocket didn't reach the heights it aimed for and shut down shortly after liftoff, falling into the Norwegian Sea.
Japan's first and only launch attempt of 2022 was an Epsilon rocket on Oct. 11, 2022 for a mission known as Innovative Satellite Technology Demonstration 3. Its third stage did not ignite and the Epsilon's flight termination system was activated.
On Nov. 3, 2022 test of the North Korean Hwasong-17, intercontinental ballistic missile ended in failure.
On Dec. 14, 2022, the Chinese firm Landspace launched its Zhuque 2 liquid methane propellant rocket. The second stage under performed and the 14 satellites it was carrying failed to reach orbital speeds and fell into the ocean.
The second-ever launch of Europe's Vega C rocket with two satellites into orbit for Airbus' Pléiades Neo Earth-imaging constellation on its Dec. 20, 2022 launched from Kourou, French Guiana. The second stage, the Zefiro 40, failed three minutes into the mission.
Virgin Orbit, LauncherOne rocket on Jan. 09, 2023, "experienced an anomaly" just before it could deliver its payload, and the craft was lost.
ABL Space Systems launched its RS1 rocket out of Alaska on Jan. 10, 2023. It failed soon after liftoff.
Of course the JAXA H3 failed March 7th, 2023.

GLHF

13h to launch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YAlOGZM32U

>>15257286
COVID-19 caused all of this

My wife has 20k views on her last video, she is inclining!

Will it work?

>>15256999
>430 mg/kg
>LD50 for table salt is between 500 mg/kg and 1g/kg
was he trying to make it sound incredibly safe?

>>15257314
>pearl starship
>red mars
epic

>>15257020
I can't wait until the Space X Mars Fleet is fully operational and Elon wipes Iceland off the map with a few asteroids just to dunk on wheelchair guy some more

https://www.isas.jaxa.jp/home/slim/SLIM/index.html

RADICAL

>>15257316
he probably meant micrograms

Looks like the H3 mission was ALOS

https://twitter.com/AlecStapp/status/1632441311981649923

>>15257314
my dad is in charge of 3d printing at work and he wont shut the fuck up about this rocket I hope it explodes

>>15257351
ALOS 3 and H3

>>15257351

Anyone got good test launch mission names? I would probably go with "High Test"

>>15257381
Roundhouse kick Hydrogen into a trash compactor

>>15257381
"what does this button do"
"rubber duck"
"RTFM"
"heisenbug"
"ass simulator"
"was it supposed to do that?"

>>15257131
>I honestly hope that Elon does get the shit sued out of him over this

My favorite part about this is how Elon lives in your head rent free.

Why don't normies care about the Twitter files?

>>15257381
SNC Demo-1

>>15256705
But Texas and California are already installing batteries in the gigawatt ranges, in fact Texas might overtake California soon

Reddit when Elon Musk leaks documents showing how the government is censoring information, lying to the public, and manipulating social and mainstream media: I sleep

Reddit when Elon Musk says a mean thing: REAL SHIT

>>15257381
Bold and Brash

>>15257403
because it's peanuts, mild, compared to NSA surveillance?
>oh wow some retard govt official overstep some bounds? A bit of constitutional fuckery sprinkled around?
yeah nah it's trivial compared to global surveillance and CIA shenanigans. I simply don't give a shit. Give me another Snowden.

>>15257381
We Did It Reddit

>>15257414
This was another Snowden. Multiple government agencies and groups including seemingly the entire intelligence community using social media companies to censor and suppress anyone who looked like they were expressing opposition to or dissatisfaction with the state is a lot more than "overstep" or "constitutional fuckery."

>>15257422
You're replying to a fed.

>>15257408

>>15257381
POOP SHITFUCK CUM POOP SHIT

>>15257381
He Can't Keep Getting Away With It

>>15257425
And?

>>15257403
Many consume mainstream media. What do mainstream media think of Elon? They think he's Hitler and twitter files are fake. Who creates MSM narratives? Political advertisers from world economic forum + FBI + government.

>>15257414
If only that was the case. The twitter files was gaslit by liberal media so hard that it broke the normies

>>15257422
Yep. Liberals like it that way because it means they're in control. In the past, Snowden files/wikileaks were helpful when they were fighting against what they perceive as the "enemy"

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1633324693418659851

>>15257519
https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1633309521925001216

I haven't been able to keep up with the threads for days, why are we coping about starship?

>>15257527
its not going to happen this month as people thought, but next month or the month after according to Musk, this is from a interview like 10h ago

https://www.youtube.com/live/zpcgHK_fXRo

55:53 on the video is the short section about starship

Reminds me of the time isro put a student satellite on sslv d1 and plunged it in the ocean.

>>15257519
what were they thinking

>>15257519
Arrogant boomers

>>15257535
Of assumed success, I'd presume

is 280mil normal for a large satellite?

>>15257570
Its legacy sat cost. Starlinks costs ~200K-400K.

>>15257575
yeah but thats what I'm asking, is that a normal price? or is this some especially costly research sat or something (which would make this even more retarded)
Imagine if JWST was launched on a new untested rocket lmao

I found a KSC official tourbook from 1996 ish. ISS still under construction, the US hasn't even landed Pathfinder, Cassini is only launched next year and the first photo of an asteroid's moon is big news

>After completion, the International Space Station might serve as a home base for missions intended to take humans back to the moon or on to Mars and the outer solar system
How naive we were

>>15257597
Low candence + high static cost.

Imagine if you wanted a car. You can either pay for a a billion dollar factory, r/d, to buy 1 car for $1.5Billion dollars or just a buy a $40K new car thats been reduced in price due to scaling factor.

>>15257599
You should see the absolute state of KSC in the year of our lord 2023, copped this picture when I was there a year or so ago

>>15257630
why did it rotate I fucking hate hiroshimoot

let's see if it rotates this embarrassing piece of shit too

>>15257630
I mean, I'm pretty racist and sexist but I still give people the benefit of the doubt, who knows if she is doing something useful
finding the exact locations where there is water on mars seems good
better than gender studies or something retarded

>>15257570
ALOS-3 was expensive because it was a large satellite with a very capable Earth observation camera

>>15257633
KSC is close to the equator so photos tend to come out turned 90°

>>15257658
>who knows if she is doing something useful

huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue

>>15256778
Nigga can't type, there are no reasonable accommodations to help him do a programmer job
Doesn't explain how he uses Twitter so good though

>>15257722
its technically possible

Bros....Bing fucking found the pastebin. WHO LEAKED IT

>>15257723
he can type slowly with one finger on the phone but cant use the keyboard or mouse for extended periods of time due to the muscle dystrophy worsening (the thing that got him into the wheelchair and is getting slowly worse I guess)
even before this I don't think he was programming really, it was like a webdesign job, more precisely, he was the ceo of an acquihire that twitter did last year and if he is fired, twitter has to pay him 100 mil

he could still be a middle manager or something that just reads stuff and talks to people, but I think musk is trying to eliminate semi-useless positions like that, just not really possible in this case

>>15256926
Orange fumes aren't THAT dangerous
Like yeah they'll oxidize/nitrate your skin and lungs but just don't breathe them. The real issue is the hydrazine.

>>15257729
exomars and chinas lunar rover are recent topics?
lmao

>>15257381
Obligatory
>Untitled Space Craft

>>15257729
>the thread also has an official discord server

who is it kill yourselves immediately

I just got krystalrolled by an AI

>>15257317
That's the moon retard

>>15257748

>>15257749
Again, picture of the moon colored red
Everybody roasted Elon for it then

>>15257726
Doubtful.
She works at NASA in 2023 A.D.

>>15257749
why would anyone bother to recolor Luna when they could just crop Mars?

>>15257759
Anon ..

>>15257759
you've never seen the red moon?

>sfg cant tell the difference between moon and mars
the red one is mars

if Elon needs to write dumb shit on twitter, just like how I need to post daily on 4chan about how much hate niggers and kikes, to maintain his mental wellbeing and enable him to continue to pursue his ventures then so be it. Do your retard flailings Elon!

>>15257770
your a monster

>>15257520
even the nips are mindbroke by the ukraine stuff. Sad!
>>15257519
amazing is some boomer trying to destroy JAXA entirely?

>>15257773
Nips want to gain some of their northern islands back stolen by the russian empire

>>15257768
>>15257766
I did. It was far less rusty and more purple/pink, like afterglow clouds.

>>15257777
tritanopia...

>>15257777

I like this guy's animations
https://youtu.be/Osq_a30_Jd8

>>15257777
find the gap in the ring

>>15257789
holy shit soyuz is cramped
first class vs economy

>>15256972
If you're not almost blowing yourself up at least a few times, then what is the point of rocket science? The old guys in the books got to have fun and live dangerously, so why can't young guys today have the same fun? Safety culture has gone too far and takes all the fun out of life. Let people blow themselves up once in a while, it's good for the human narrative.

>>15257796
It's not that bad if they can reach the ISS in a few hours, like they have recently.

>>15257020
>>15257037
Elon should just buy Iceland. Twitter was bigger and he bought that. Iceland at least serves a real purpose (renting Keflavik to the US military.)

Elon's sanest tankwatcher

>>15257790
>>15257782
>>15257787
stop messing with me

>>15257812
anon...

>>15257812
that was a real test :/

>>15257790
Fake test

>>15257800
Right, like the guy who founded JPL. I forget his name but he was mixed up with Alistair Crowley and blew himself up by accident one day.

>>15257824
Jack Parsons. Colorful fellow.

>>15257809
I wish i had a bot that could spin up a fresh twitter/yt/reddit account and call people like this a faggot. ofc the account would get banned, but the next time i see a post like this, the bot can spin up another new account, for the singular purpose of dumping on fags that talk like that. the guy in that pic needs to be told that he is a faggot (or nigger if you please)

>>15257831
JPL stands for Jack Parsons Laboratory

>>15257831
murdered by jews

>>15257837
Wasn't he planning on going to Israel to build rockets, after getting on the US Government's shitlist?

Does Elon intend to merge with AI to continue influencing events beyond his natural lifespan?

>>15257849
No he's going to use the Mr House approach.

Is fetching thread updates broken for anybody else?

>>15257866
/sfg/ is just dead is all.

>>15257866
obviously a major malfunction

Why japanese rocket so small and impotent?
Why not big and black like american rocket?

>>15257876
It is small but perfectly formed.

>>15257232
>who led the rescue
Go back to r*ddit you actually retarded nigger (picrel), the guy was one of 2000 advisors. He had dived on the caves before, and was asked about them, alongside literally hundreds who had dived on the caves before.

https://twitter.com/ablspacesystems/status/1633324657054212102
>The @SpaceForceDoD has selected SLC-15 to be a dedicated home for RS1 launches at Cape Canaveral
>SLC-15 hosted 26 Titan I and Titan II launches from 1959 to 1964. There's a lot of history there to remind us that we are building upon the work of so many others.
>We'll use SLC-46 beginning later this year to serve our near-term customer manifest while SLC-15 activation work is completed

>>15257002
Not a chance, they're building a crew tower at SLC-40.

>>15257232
Reminder that Starship traces its lineage to the Thai rescue submarine.

Fucking lmao

>>15257992
how

>>15257729
well lads, it looks like AI is just too smart for us, nowhere to hide, time to surrender
at least it didn't find /r/sfg

Yuuuge inflatables to wipe out megaconstellations in LEO

>>15257993
Near Infrared goes through the atmosphere just fine
James Webb is a big fat mess.

>>15257729
>No mention of Krystal
fail

>>15258072

>>15258032
But why is the resolution so bad?

>>15257993
6.5 meter telescope vs a 10 meter. Adaptive optics works very well for solar system stuff. Imagine how cool it will be with 4 times the resolution in a few years with ELT.

>>15258086
Webb 6.5m diameter, Keck 10m

>>15258089
>>15258091
Oh, I forgot that Kek is a ground telescope.

>>15258086
It's not bad. They're both up against the fundamental limits imposes by diffraction, but Keck is bigger. JWST actually did better than expected, it reaches the limit down to shorter wavelengths than expected or required. JWST was mainly built for sensitivity.

>>15257992
Can't imagine faces of Webb engineers team after they see this image. Spent billiards on something that they had to send into middle of fucking nowhere and still get worse results.

>>15258078
That's a relief, the secrets of /sfg/ are still safe.

>>15258089
>ELT
It's like they are building a sports arena, that thing will be huge!

>>15258128
They'll never uncover the secrets of the tape-outgas drive.

>>15258129
Big targets are easy targets

Sup /sfg/ what are you doing with your life today? Me? I'm just looking down at you

relativitysisters. our time has come

>>15258161
>I'm just looking down at you
same here, kinda bored rn

2 hours until live
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_YAlOGZM32U

>>15258129
Nice telescope you got there.
Would be a shame if someone built a megaconstellation over it

>>15258192
No dogshit Thinkpad screen would have viewing angles this good, you need to take this into consideration in the future

Reminder

>>15258213
>typed on my glossy screen macbook m2 max

>>15258219
I'm typing on a T420 from 2011, so I feel like I'm speaking with some experience and authority. The keyboard feels great though

>>15258161
Being depressed

>>15258161
Sending a fleet of exploration crafts out on a 10 year jog to an outer planet in KSP. Refuelers, tankers, manned landers, rovers, and a crew vessel, I even included an asteroid tractor just to fuck around with out there.

>>15258200
1 hr

Time for another smallsoi VCuck investment to go up in flames.
Physics is just so based.

Time for a startup to show SpaceX the ropes. Screw the static fire, just launch!

>>15258128
The blue pill should be labeled Krystal.

>>15258214
>Keck
>30m

>>15258214
>>15258129
>ELT
>40m

Holy fuck imagine how much clearer >>15257992 will be

>>15258287
>>15258293
>le dualité of this here subreddit ^^

https://twitter.com/Astro_Soichi/status/1633275898932903936

Translate it weebs

>>15258319
fuck I just realized Keck is 10m not 30

>>15258341
"Why didn't you dumb faggots use a test payload instead of an expensive satellite?"

>>15258352
based no gucci

>>15258352
I saw that it didn't fully make sense, google translate is shit and so is

>DeepL
>#JAXA is getting hit by #H3 rocket failure, but let's keep up the good work. Why put a practical satellite on a test rocket in the first place? Next time, why don't you investigate the cause slowly to avoid putting pressure on Mr. Okada, and then launch the satellite "from the ground"?

>>15258361
YWNBAJ

20 minutes. all the north americans are either sleeping or waging.

Boeing wants SLS to compete for national security space launch contracts

>>15258368
Wouldn't they need to reduce the time between stacking and launch to under a month for that?

>>15258361
>Although the #H3 rocket failed and has been criticized, let's do our best #JAXA. Is there a need to put practical satellites on test machines in the first place? After the destruction of the H2 No. 8 command, the first H2A was a dummy satellite. The cost of #DAICHI-3, 380 billion yen, is much higher than the 50 billion yen for the H3, so it's a risk hedge. Next time, can we take our time to investigate the cause and make it a "test launch" so that Mr. Okada won't be under pressure?
ChattuGPT

>>15258368
lmao hahahah

>>15258370
They'll just let them run out like those cubesats.
As long as Boeing and USSF executives alike receive their monthly allotment of child prostitutes all is good and well.

>>15258370
They need to not make it cost 4 fucking billion dollars first

>>15258368
>US gov spends over $40 billion on SLS already
>each SLS costs ~$4.1 billion
They want to compete on NSSL? What are they smoking?

>>15258368
Just what payloads do they think the NRO is planning on launching?

>>15258200
>stream in 15 minutes
>lunch in 1 hour 15 minutes

75 min till launch window where another VC abomination explodes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YAlOGZM32U

>>15258392
KH-11 for Mars

>>15258394
No

>>15258396
...that's actually a job that a block 1 SLS is appropriately sized for. Weird.

>>15258368

>inb4 official commentary by thomas burghardt from nasashillflight

>>15258394
IM PROOOOONTING

Good luck have fun guys! #GLHF

>already delayed
OHNONONO
https://twitter.com/relativityspace/status/1633509805561184256

Let's see if they can print an explosion too.

>>15258424
ITS OVER!!!

They got cold feet

>>15258352
Kek based soichisan

>>15258368
You guys are laughing but this is actually a good thing

WE
ARE
GOING
https://twitter.com/StarshipFairing/status/1633495335879208962

>>15258443
ARCAchads… we can’t stop winning

>>15258443
Wait what, I thought ARCA had vanished from the face of this planet. Popescu literally rising from the ashes, the most powerful gypsy I've ever seen.

>>15258456
Gotta launch something every now and then to keep the grift on.

>>15258443
I notice they don't show it when the engine burns out this time.

>>15258298
oof, yes, perfect
if I had the original without the text I'd change a few of the red ones, but this will do for now

Couldn't even manage to broadcast the new target launch time. He said eighteen... so maybe 1800ET

>>15258394
Stream's live

t minus 1 hr

This year is going to be pure kino for all my fellow new-rocket-explosion bros

what's legit launch stream where we can laugh at another explosion/fail of VC scam on chatbox?

Terran Hard-R

>>15258352
based kangaeru space bro, amazingly direct for a Japanese

「から打ち」 probably literally means "empty firing", so, launching before being sure that the rocket is reliable

Dr. Aniceto

Besides Rocket Lab, Relativity probably has the best chances out of the huge plethora of memelaunch companies

>>15258479
right now >>15257288

Holy fuck its windy there

Thank wamen

uh oh was that a real woman there

>Women's day
/SFG/ IS SEEETHING RN

>>15258467
You call those redpills? You are like little baby

>Chat is disabled for this stream.

>muh roasties
>a fucking trannie
lmao even

>>15258495
dude, it's an old pic, not mine, I just added Krystal, and I even said I can't change them in the post you replied to

>women's day
I'm sure neither sfg nor elon has anything controversial to say about it.

>>15258499
refer to this >>15258175

>This much damage control before they even launch

>>15258502
You are forgiven

these guys be cloning the spacex playbook. crappy non reusable rocket that fails, then upgrade to a larger reusable one

I don't have anything bad to say about these two biological women. Erwa is pretty and sort of looks like Alexandra Botez.

So we have to listen to these holes read scripts for most of an hour, not counting the expected holds? That's the problem with starting streams so early.

Yes their stock video with upbeat music is cool, but do they have a prerecorded Tim Ellis apology video in the event their rocket inevitably fails?

ITS FUCKING BENT
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>15258488 AHAHAHAHAHAH

Anicheto can have my Ph D, if you catch my drift

>>15258512
They’re ex-spacex guys and to their credit they actually have a longer-term plan which is nice. Too many companies think building a little rocket will suddenly generate money

>March 8th
That's right, today is Hachikō's day!

here's your rocket bro

it's pronounced GEMI-KNEE you retards

HISTORIC LAUNCH COMPLEX 16

>>15258526
It is also the International Women's Day.

>>15258533
women are less loyal than Hachiko

>>15258533
Not in my planet.

>>15258538
To you

>the HOLD sign was just a graphical error, guys
lmao

It’s going to fucking explode
Some software issue

>>15258531
>can't into IPA
ngmi

>>15258551
I think 3D printer issue more likely