/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15246775
inb4 this thread is jannied because it has a peer reviewed source.

>>15246775
the bottom line is that we should stop caring about vaxcattle and their strange choices and subsequent experiences, because vaxcattle are vaxcattle and therefore unworthy of our time and attention

>>15246797
Based. "They are being culled and who cares, they made their choices."

>this data coming from 1011 case reports.
>this data coming from 1011 case reports.
>this data coming from 1011 case reports.
>1011 case reports.
>1011 case reports.
>1011 case reports.
There are almost 14 billion doses of covid 19 vaccines overall.
Literally a nothing burger, just fear mongering, but the /pol/tards like OP love it. They love a good over hyped hyperbolic scare story, especially when they can strawman their imagined political components and grind that axe they're always itching to grind.

>>15246775
How the fuck do people still care about this shit
COVID is over. It's been over for a while. Nothing happened.

>>15246869

>>15246869
>t.

>>15246876
>>15246896
>literally no response other than some half baked meme
Why? Because I called you out on your true motivation and you know it deep down. I caught you out and looked into your soul.

>>15246869
Ughhh... My fellow /pol/sisters, our response?!

>>15246899
This board is for people who trust the science, anon. You should go back to /pol/ or /x/ with your appeals to emotion.

>>15246899
kek, seethe harder VAIDs boy

>>15246869
>14 billion doses of covid
KEK! No, not even.

If they even made that many then 12 billion are still sitting in warehouses, which is likely since they got paid by governments for simply stockpiling them.

What a huge scam.

>>15246876
kek good one.
Trust the s o yence!

>>15246905
>>15246911
>>15246928

So why aren't people talking about the content of the paper? It seems like the thread is being slid due to its subject being inconvenient, so this is now about the actual results.

Do you think this will lead to the repealing of the Australian vax mandate? Since it shows empirically that it does more harm than good. Will the people who were put in concentration camps get restitution?

>>15246937

>>15246964
What content is there to talk about? The paper is a scarejob made to appeal to right wing media and antvaxxers.

>>15246972
It was peer-reviewed in a reputable journal. Please stop projecting your fears of being wrong onto scientists who have invested major effort into producing factual research.

>>15246875
i'm not going to forget or get over them trying to force this shit on people

>>15246964
>Will the people who were put in concentration camps get restitution?
No because they are unarmed and peaceful.
Only stronk violent people get justice on their behalf.

>>15246971
YWNBA

>>15246974
>It was peer-reviewed in a reputable journal
So what? Lots of trash gets peer reviewed. If it didn't there would be no papers to read.

>>15246982
This is a board for people who believe in science, anon. I suggest you find somewhere else to discuss your anti-science attitudes. Right now we're focused on the settled science that the vaccines caused more harm than the infection did.

>>15246984
I know you're trying to pretend to be a version of your "science believer" strawman you retarded /pol/nigger.

>>15246775
Still can't believe they got so many dummies to line up for this shit

>>15246991
>literal who on twitter

>>15246991
I just looked at his account. Clearly a concern troll faking it and a right wing shill.

>>15246989
I think you should take this kind of vitriol out of our thread. We're scientists, not ideologues. The science on this topic is settled and immutable. The vaccines are deadly.

>>15246875
A guy in my online gaming group has covid and he sounds like he's dying. Just like people did with covid last year. He's also been bedrodden for weeks.
It's not over

>>15247005
You're a really bad troll. Work on it.

>>15246991
In the US, less than 8% of adults were able to hold out against the pressure.

>>15247009
How many shots?

>>15246994
>>15246997
nice cope attempts. These will not heal your VAIDs and it will not heal the other afflictions to your physiology caused by the jew jab.

>>15246875
There are still employers who require the injections, even for fully remote jobs.

>>15247027
The defense contractor Deagel predicted 70% depopulation by 2025.

>>15246869
1000 is a rather large sample and should produce good p-values.

>>15247027
>less than 8% of adults were able to hold out against the pressure.
LMAO!
Typical glowie post.
I know about 10 people who got the shot. 10, out of maybe 100-200 people at work, church, clubs, friends, coworkers.

The REAL vaccination rates for covid are probably around 20-40% max, nationwide. Very high in some cities, almost noone in other areas.
Picrel shows where people were highly vaxxed and now dying or suffering from the vaccines.

>>15247040
It's funny that you insulted yourself and you can't even see it.

My mom is huge conspiracy theorist and she took vax. This just proves that women are retarded as fuck and should be raped at every given opportunity. If you take women seriously or even think their opinion matters for nanosecond then you are retarded fag and nigger

>>15247040
I think they are probably lower than reported as well. Plus, the batches were weighted different in terms of the toxins per dose. There were certain batches that had way higher injury and death rates. So they spiked some batches with hotter doses.

>>15247037
It's not a large value when there are almost 14 billion vaccinations. Meta studies of tens of millions of patients have already shown how small potential side effects are relative to the benefits.

>>15247031
Only women post social media screencaps
Show tits, whore

>>15247031
That was a funny one. Good that he is gone by his own hand.
The bad ones are where the left-wing schizo parents kill their kids and then brag about it on social media for sympathy likes.

>>15247052
Post tits woman

>>15247048
>14 billion vaccinations
no, not even if you counted the people who took 20 shots, it wouldn't even be close to 1/5 of that.

>>15247057
Wrong.
Here's old 2022 data.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

>>15247063
>.bloomberg.com/
kek

Line between vax nigger cattle and pureblood hyperboreans has been drawn. There is no coming back from this.

>>15247063
Lame propaganda. Bloomberg was one of the main investors in the socalled vaccines.

>>15247075
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-56237778

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker/?areas

Here are 3 more reputable and respected sources with a historic track record, who are only reporting the people who are actually calculating the numbers. No doubt you will also dismiss these because it's not one of your /pol/cel infographics.

Just FACE IT. FACE THE TRUTH. You're WRONG.

>>15247085
Nobody takes you seriously other than your /pol/cel loser buddies on 4chan, lel. You have no power, no influence, and no scientific credentials. You're an online FRAUD contrarian who gets a kick out of denying people above him. That's all you are.

>>15247091
God is my friend and that's all I need

>>15247048
That's not how p-values and random sampling work, anon. You can use less than 1,000 individuals to get a representative sample of an entire nation easily.

>>15247089
>reputable and respected sources
ahahahahahahahaha

>>15247094
Depends on what you're studying.

>>15247097
You're so jealous because nobody takes you seriously.

>>15247101
Jealous of what?

>>15247103
Everything.
You suffer from insecurity, which shows itself as contrarianism. You will never attain the social status of scientists, medical doctors, and other respected individuals in society. So you lash out on your little online 4chan website.

>>15247089
>nytimes
>historic track record
which includes
>covid-19 is real and dangerous
>covid-19 is a nothingburger
>george floyd didn't die of self inflicted drug overdose
>jeffrey epstein? never heard of him
>trump colluding with russia
>jayson blair
>saddams's wmds
>saddam did the anthrax attack
>the looming y2k catastrophe
>the lewinsky clinton limited hangout charade
>global warming is gonna kill everyone in 12 years (published weekly since 1988)
>janet cooke
>uncritical regurgitation of the warren commission report

>>15247107
Why would I want to have any of that faux prestige? I'm a credentialed academic who has a secure life and I didn't succumb to the propaganda and FUD of the covid era. That's good enough for me.
On the contrary you seem to be obsessed with deflection and argument to justify your rash and fearful decisionmaking. Why is that? Are you regretting your choices now that it appears you may have been duped? Or is it that you're worried about suffering like other people who followed suit with you now are.

>>15247112


fuck off faggot polnigger and get acid thrown in your face

>>15246775
I am neither for or against vax, but this is a poorly written paper. Where's the meta statistical analysis. The whole paper is just an index of papers that suspect vax causes some disease, with no meta analysis.

At least devote more than 1 paragraph to each paper mentioned. Also what's with the highly unprofessional tone throughout the paper. It's like something written by a high schooler.

>>15247093
God isn't real, magic boy.

>>15247107

>>15247134
>Recently published in the peer-reviewed Journal of Clinical & Experimental Immunology
have you ever been published in the peer-reviewed Journal of Clinical & Experimental Immunology? No? You suffer from insecurity, which shows itself as contrarianism. You will never attain the social status of scientists, medical doctors, and other respected individuals in society. So you lash out on your little online 4chan website.

>>15247137
>>15247138
Kek. So butthurt because I described you correctly that you're quoting me to attack other posters. Many such cases on 4chan! Lots of angry butthurt contrarians!

>>15246928
I've had 5 covid shots. If 3 billion (out of 8 billion) had 5 shots each, that's 15 billion vaxxes right there.

>>15247138
You: Only scientist are allowed to critique medical papers
Also you: I am not a scientist and this paper is great

Elitist much?

Also, what makes you think I am not a scientist? (I am not in the immunology field but I've read enough scientific papers to tell a good one from bad.)

>>15246797
That's shortsighted and stupid. You think the people who did this to the cattle on purpose aren't going to come for you as well?

>>15247036
>2025
Sounds about right

>>15247161
>I am not in the immunology field but I've read enough scientific papers to tell a good one from bad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

>>15247045
They just need firm discipline. You need to punish your mom now so that she learns not to disobey you.

>>15247094
1,011 case studies do not amount to a study with n=1,011 nor would you have a parameter for which to calculate p values, as you have no comparison group.

>peer-reviewed Journal of Clinical & Experimental Immunology
First guy on the editorial panel is a naturopath, impact factor <1, all the tell-tale signs this is the predatory journal which ends up in your institutional email junk folder and charges $2000 to publish any junk with at least one of the editors calling shots being a quack. This isn't to say it invalidates anything in the actual article (it's junk for other reasons) but posting the full name of the journal in the OP doesn't add credibility, it subtracts it

>>15246775
nonsense

what a retarded study, unless im misunderstanding something they're using total numbers of deaths to show that unvaxxed people die less than vaxxed but there are like 10x more vaxxed people so this data doesnt show shit besides >old people die
youd have to do a per 1000 people comparison to see anything meaningfull

also the fact that they just list the side effects is so bizzare to me, I can think of no real reason to do it besides fearmongering, also saying that "there are some very serious side effects like death" like its been what two years at this point people arent just fucking dying from nothing in droves

i look forward to reminiscing about the vaxxxies in a few years after they're all dead

>>15246775
>peer-reviewed
Apparently not. This is one of the worst papers I've ever seen published.

>>15246869
I think you're due for another booster hömö

Jabba jabby

>>15247089
>Here are 3 more reputable and respected sources >nyt, bbc, ig
lmao you're the dumbest retard alive.
go die in a hole

>>15246797
>i can't wait for all the vaxcattle to die off so the elites can turn me into their sex slave

>>15246797
The issue is:
They did not even yet apologise after:
- gaslighting
- threatening violence
- creating an alternative reality where you're to blame for their problems
- passing laws that are not only discrimminatory but even go opposite direction of what 'acceptabble' reasons for discrimmination would allow
- they have done all this only to get back at people who make morally better choices in a myriad of aspects of life on a day to day choices which they, for reasons of ill character and disregard, fail to equal.

>>15246775
This journal is published by Opast Publishing Group. I wonder if they name it identically to the journal published by Oxford University Press as a confusion tactic.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23OPastFacts&src=typed_query&f=live
Potentially predatory journal.

>>15246797
Correct

>>15247723
This. People won't forget what they did now that they're suffering. It's human nature not to let those things go.

>>15247093
based and going to heaven pilled
satan infested redditor tourists be damned

>>15248706
>People won't forget what they did now that they're suffering
which is the entire point, theyre going to activate the "other side" via social media, heaviest ingroup bias via facebook friends and family, exactly how they did for the "other side" during the 2020 blm riots
already soft-disclosure all over the new and improved free-speech twitter all thanks to the savior of humanity twitter-in-chief who strangely enough still has a pentagram in his avatar from his "halloween costume" from 5 months ago

I know /sci/ is a very, very low-IQ board, but anyone whose actually worked in a lab doing transfections should be absolutely horrified by the fact this technology was doled out to the masses, especially to children and pregnant women.

>>15248726
>they're going to make people revolt against the government...
>because they just ARE OK!??!?!!?

>>15248741
read SPARS 2018 johns hopkins pandemic preparedness exercise all the way until the end, if your attention span can handle it, lil zoom

>>15247136
prove it

>>15248743
Why don't you summarize the key point here so that I know you're not a schizo. What does the government gain by stoking hatred of themselves and their golems?

>>15248758
go fuck yourself, retard
how about you describe the logic of censoring and deplatforming anyone who brought up the incontrovertible evidence of sars-cov-2 being engineered for over 2 years only to soft disclose it right at the end of the pandemic state of emergency through the fbi and doe

>>15248768
It reduces the anger of the population by pretending that the government is finally coming clean and something might be done about the criminals involved.

>>15247685
This is one of the worst critiques I've ever seen.

>>15247089
HAHAHAH HOLY SHIT YOU ARE SO DUMB
YOU ARE THE DUMBEST MOTHERFUCKER ALIVE
JUST LOOK AT (You)

HAHAHHAHA

>>15248775
if you're willing to entertain the notion that plans and schemes are afoot you should go deeper into the rabbit hole, where you may come to the conclusion that the only logical reasoning for the US and China collaborating on this pandemic and its response has implications for the extant state of a world government

lol. lmao, even

>>15248817
almost every biomed journal that isnt science or nature or cell costs money to publish, wait until you find out they charge extra for color images

/sci/ doesnt actually work in science this is well known but thanks for confirming

>>15248826
An open access article in Nature costs about 10 000 euros.

>>15248826
The journal being pay-to-play is one thing. What's truly amusing is the fact that this journal larps as "Clinical & Experimental Immunology".

I figured someone unrelated to immunology would respond defending a shady journal - thanks for confirming.

>>15248851
>a shady journal
Why exactly? In the era where Lancet has to retract multiple studies re:covid i tend to consider every peer reviewed publication as subject to the replication crisis.

>>15248843
Yeah "major" journals are fucking expensive to publish in.

>>15248861
"open access" is not the same as the regular subscription based articles
if you get a manuscript with lots of buzzwords and a prominent lab you can publish pure garbage in a top journal and theyll do it for free

>>15248861
>Yeah "major" journals are fucking expensive to publish in.
lmao that you're so upset about the cost of publishing that you're emotionally driven to use profanity. nobody pays those costs out their own pockets, the money all comes from grants or other research funds.
you reddittiers overuse your favorite emphasis word to the point that you start to seem like a group of clucking chickens

>>15246775
Welcome to tomorrow.

>>15248859
I don't feel like trusting a few-year-old pay-to-play journal that larps as a well-established 50yo journal. Do you?

>>15248901
The paper is sound so yes I trust them. Your poor argumentation can't be covered up by fallacies.

>>15246775
There have been literally legal cases in Aus about the horrors of the vaccines and the press just ignored them here.
It's no longer about whether they work.
It's about "so what are you going to do about it, knowing it doesn't work, knowing that a poison is being mad mandatory in your nation and that you have no money or power to stop our propaganda?".

Oh good luck getting the international courts to care about these crimes against humanity being enforced (clearly) for nefarious reasons by governments.
You need a job and money to do that and good luck getting that without these vaccines.

It's all just one big psyop. None of it is about the science and health of the people. It's about breaking dissent down until it is irrelevant while at the same time eliminating a significant portion of the rebellious population to the point where the globe is completely pacified.
This is how cartels really work.

>>15248901
>well-established
>50yo journal
the past 50 years in science have been an atrocious failure. 50 years ago life expectancy was rising, it is currently falling. 50 years ago NASA could go back and forth to the moon several times a year. 50 years ago there was commercially available supersonic travel available for anyone who could pay the price, they were still building new nuclear power plants 50 year ago too. Any science organization which participated in that should be ashamed of itself, not bragging about it.

I like how my vaccinated grandmother died from covid and other illnesses aged 90, also worsening her delirious dementia brain in the process.
Meanwhile my grandfather's brother, mid 90s, has just had covid and he's worked through it with ease. Then again, he's been avoiding vaccines for decades so he's just proof what a con they really are. He's so old he can barely move and exercise, my grandmother was still walking when she had the jab... though not by the time it killed her a year later.

>>15248912
>50 years ago life expectancy was rising, it is currently falling
That's a political issues, not a scientific issue.
We're overpopulation, mismanaged and now the seams are splitting globally.

Covid has proven one thing to me. Without a constructive administration that is self critical and not merely shilling propaganda we cannot have a working scientific environment.
That's regardless of money. It seems mere power is enough to trigger poor administrative practice.

So we're fucking toast unless we start to develop scientific cultures that escape the administration completely. That requires isolation and distance. Good luck on this rock.
We're definitely heading for complete self destruction or complete slavery regardless now.
Frankly, both are highly possible and not mutually exclusive results.

The scientific method is largely fine, the politics behind science today is what is crippling it's effectiveness.

>>15249004
>the solution to evil elites is... le space

>>15249012
Space is near-impossible under this regime without some sort of pirate space faring or some bullshit.
The closest we have is the thoroughly scrutinised and regulated spaceX organisation. That's not even close to an organisation that could cause such a rogue operation.

has there been an increase in road accidents and work place deaths?

>>15249186
Yes, a dramatic one. Driving fatalities are up by quite a bit in my country.

>>15246797
>the bottom line is that we should stop caring about vaxcattle and their strange choices and subsequent experiences, because vaxcattle are vaxcattle and therefore unworthy of our time and attention
Wrong

I want people like maddie de garay to get justice
https://prepareforchange.net/2021/07/02/12-year-old-maddie-de-garay-volunteered-for-a-covid-study-and-is-now-in-a-wheelchair-with-a-feeding-tube/

I would rather have the clotshotted get revenge and justice over the corporations and governments we both hate than have them pitted against me

>>15249207
I agree, mainly because I still think vaccines will be needed.
But they won't work under the current admin.

>>15249207
>I would rather have the clotshotted get revenge and justice over the corporations and governments we both hate than have them pitted against me
You don't get that by bitching online and "peaceful protesting".

>>15248732
Why should we care that morons die?

>>15249435
Many people, especially children who don't have the legal ability to consent to medical procedures, were forced to take the injections and had no other choice.

>>15249263
>You don't get that by bitching online and "peaceful protesting".
We lead the clotshotted, like necromancers leading an army of undead (they literally are walking dead tho)

>>15249448
Not many can save themselves from samsara. Children are not innocent in eyes of God. To achieve moksha you need to be hit by divine bus

>>15249448
The children of morons tend to become morons themselves.

>>15249629
They are exterminating undesirables and people who are against the police state/china taking over there.
Calling them "covid deaths".
Don't be fooled.
90% of rich 1% and US/EU politicians have "bunkers" there also.

>>15249502
the beauty and tragedy of meiosis means a godly consciousness can manifest itself in a single generation, fleeting, and gone from the next.
why did none of mozart's children reach his heights?

>>15248726
>which is the entire point, theyre going to activate the "other side" via social media
its already started, but the masses are too complacent, too sedated, certain genes responsible for action and leadership among the lower castes have been eliminated over centuries

so now they must force the issue with overt theater such as the Hancock "leaks"
and now we wait for a whistleblower to give hard evidence of euthanasia of right wing "antivaxxers" via ventilators/remdesivir/ECMO

>>15246775
Not commenting on the content, but why do the graphs look so shitty? Couldn't they use some nice software to make it look better

>>15249707
mozart's father was extremely attentive to his education early in life, his children didn't get the same treatment and as a result, there were no mozart grandchildren. mozart's eldest son was just a very capable musician, maybe as talented as his father, the genetics were there, but the rest of the equation was absent, the talent was not developed or expressed the way it happen with wolfgang sr.

>>15246775
>gene therapy
It does not even come close to affecting genes in any way. Lame bait.

>>15246875
My company couldn't do shit for two weeks last month because almost 30% of employees were tied to their beds. Some are still recovering. It's far from over.

>>15250126
How many of them were vaxed and boosted, do you think?

>>15250128
Irrelevant, since the vaxx was for the wild type and the first variants, not omicron. Even if it had been for omicron, immunity wanes after a few months.

>>15247152
at the peak of covid less than 50% of people got one booster after the initial injection. the current rate of fully injected is likely less than 10% in every nation that doesn't mandate it at gunpoint. you have to be an ideologue cultist to still be mRNA injecting yourself at this point.

>>15250150
>everyone disagreeing with me is a cultist
>including people who aren't afraid of a fucking vaccine
lol

it's crazy how much bunk science is published by women.

>>15250153
it's not a vaccine. the makers of the injection literally said it wasn't a vaccine, and they paid dictionary companies to change the definition of vaccine to be more vague in order to fit their experimental mrna injection specifically because they knew the brainless NPC cattle (You) wouldn't inject themselves unless they could call it a vaccine.

>>15250164
[math]yawn[/math]
Get better material.

>>15250164
>they paid dictionary companies to change the definition of vaccine
sauce plox

>>15250235
It's sad when this is the best the troll can offer. Did all of the ones with intelligence die of the shot?

>>15246775
How does this research deal with the findings that regions where more people are vaccinated had drastically lower COVID death rates than regions where vaccination numbers were lower?

>>15251187
Those findings are false and the opposite of what happened.

>>15247502
What are these tell-tale signs?

>>15251240
It publishes true wrongthink, unlike Lancet which publishes wholesome 100 chungus fraud.

>>15251187
This research deals with its own data and doesn't have a "nuh-uh" section for refuting other papers or studies. It's up to you to look at the study and then any other study that's contradictory and decide for yourself which has the better data set and methodology.

Who got one of these batches?

faucibros...
not like this
https://www.scribd.com/document/629530931/2023-03-05-SSCP-Memo-Re-New-Evidence-proximal-Origin#

>>15246775
Compelling.

>>15248905
>Oh good luck getting the international courts to care about these crimes against humanity being enforced (clearly) for nefarious reasons by governments.
The "legal system" benefits only the government it serves, not the people.

For people to get justice, it must be done via other ways.

>>15251187
This isn't research. It's a glorified blog in a pay-to-publish open access journal whose target audience is those with the desire for belief-confirmation who lack the knowledge to actually evaluate a paper, which is none of the anons cheering it on in this thread actually read it.

>>15251187
>>15246775
>>15251497
What an amazing "journal". They even managed to fuck up the country drop-down menu.
Glad that researchers from Indiana can finally get their due recognition. And thank heavens that the KSA and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia are separately listed. "West Africa" is totally a real country that people publish from, right?
https://www.opastpublishers.com/journal/journal-of-clinical-experimental-immunology/publication-payment

>>15251187
>regions where more people are vaccinated had drastically lower COVID death rates than regions where vaccination numbers were lower?
You were saying.

>>15251468
ah yes, good old kristian andersen of scripps, who famously called this paper
https://www.minerva.no/files/2020/07/13/TheEvidenceNoNaturalEvol.pdf
"nonsense, unintelligible, and not even remotely scientific,” thereby not even having to address any of the concerns raised in the paper. I recommend reading it, a valid conclusion being that the virus and vaccine were engineered specifically to elicit ADE, as anyone with vaccinated friends and/or family can attest has become a reality

>>15246775
You boring fuckers, drop a nuke on america

>>15246869
Yeah, no surprise morons like these don't understand anything about anything. Garbage in, garbage out. The simple proof by negation for papers like these, no matter what the garbage is, is the fact unvaccinated still die at higher rates including for omicron. Same for hospitalizations. The multitude of various reasons for higher *reported* side-effect *associations* are about as meaningless as "risk of drowning due to nicholas cage films" without casual analysis. Conveniently, the papers they cite NEVER do that analysis. Equally convenient, and probably why they're antivaxxers, they don't know the first thing about causal analysis.

Naturally they've excuses for this simple fact too. Just deny deny deny, it's all conspiracy, somehow everyone's lying but random garbage papers by inept retards are telling the truth. You're better off laughing at it and enjoying the simple fact that they're dying more and will have less impact on policy going forward.

>>15251591
if you havent taken your updated bivalent booster you're an antivaxxer
you have, haven't you?

>>15246775
pseudo scientific spam, shill

>>15251591
you must be AI garbage generator

>>15246775
>A worldwide Bayesian causal Impact analysis suggests mRNA vaccine causes more COVID-19 cases per million than COVID-19

wut?

No? How does an mRNA vaccine that:
1. Doesn't contain the virus
2. Codes for the production of only the spike protein, NOT the whole virus,
end up "causing a covid-19 case"

This paper is trash - that quote alone is enough to disregard everything else in it. You'd need to have zero understanding of how vaccines, viruses, and the human body work in order to take this seriously. That literally makes 0 sense.

It would be like me saying I did a literature review and the data suggested that that 'Ford F-150s produce more rabbits per million than pregnant rabbits produce rabbits'

And all the claims re: risk of death comparing vaccines causing death vs unvaccinated deaths from Covid... then why do the excess death statistics pre-vaccine availability, during the initial mass vaccination rollout, and the couple years after that... ALL align with infection rate surges and NONE correlate with vaccine administration surges? Especially since millions of vaccine doses got administered in such a short time - there would be an OBVIOUS huge spike in deaths to directly correlate if, as this paper claimed, 'risk of death post-vaccination was (depending on age group) 51x, 8x, 7x, 5x, and 2x more likely than death from Covid. This is impossible - and retarded.

If you don't like the vaccine, don't get the vaccine. But don't be an idiot and divorce yourself from reality, ignoring everything that doesn't support your view and blindly supporting everything that does. To my earlier analogy, let me know when you see an F-150 give birth to a rabbit and I'll give the rest of this paper a closer read.

Also, it says right at the beginning - "this review has been written from an Australian perspective" - that means that all conclusions and claims are *upside down and backwards*. Rookie mistake to think the findings apply anywhere in the world that matters.

>>15249240
For what are vaccines 'needed'?

How much can simply better hygiene around shipping, food handling, etc. account for what we need?

What of better social hygiene? I'd rather ban Tinder and Grindr before I force vaccines on infants.

>>15251615
>end up "causing a covid-19 case"
Spike protein is toxic itself

>>15251637
Not the anon you responded to, but I agree with you.
Also, stopping 99% of immigration and 100% of illegal immigration would stop most pandemics in their tracks.

>>15251615
propaganda via large spam shiposts

>>15251644
>pandemics
no such thing, only propaganda word on tv

>>15251591
>the fact unvaccinated still die at higher rates
Wrong again.
Glowie.

>>15246991
its not a "theory" is it was an actually conspiracy.
maybe not even a conspiracy. just normal business in clown world under control of lunatics

>>15251637
lol. You hate all vaccines, not just the covid ones? Go ahead and learn about measles, please. Start there.

Vaccine that is proven effective and safe... around the world... for many, many decades? Na, I'll just take a big heaping side order of blind and/or brain damaged children, thanks.

>>15247031
you get what you fucking deserve Murray!

>>15251659
>measles
Don't exist in 1st world countries, AS LONG as immigration is stopped.

Most diseases are from South America, Africa, and Central Asia. Lock them down and keep those areas quarrantined.

>>15247553
Fuck off you glowie piece of shit.

>>15251643
1. Anytime you make a post here using words like 'toxic' or 'toxin' - you are basically holding up a sign that says 'I have no formal education or medical knowledge and don't really understand what is being discussed'

2. There was no mention of 'toxicity' or any mention of the spike protein itself being harmful in anyway. That has absolutely nothing to do with this, if you wanna discuss potential harms/negative/unintended effects of the spike protein in absence of the full virus - that is a totally different (and actually a valid) discussion - where actual, real papers could be looked up and referenced.
The paper specifically stated that the mRNA vaccines CAUSED COVID-19 CASES. The presence of the spike protein literally CANNOT cause a Covid-19 infection. Hence, the F-150 birthing a rabbit analogy.

>>15251651
>Wrong again.
Cherrypicking garbage doesn't make you right. It makes you a liar.
>Inb4 "muh conspiracy dough"
Because appealing to conspiracy is all you have. Same as flat earthers.

>>15248905
The agenda, the goal, the operation, the mission, is nothing less than BROADBAND FULL SPECTRUM DOMINATION of the entire planet.
hard to see it as anything less than an evil cancer

>>15251698
Tell me who counts as unvaccinated in the US. Be specific.

>>15251701
>Tell me who counts as unvaccinated in the US. Be specific.
Oh look, the conspiracy retardation again.
On the CDC website, you can get data for those never vaccinated, those with lapsed vaccination, and who count as unvaccinated due to waning immunity. Yes, you can view that data separately. No, it is not dishonest to count them as "unvaccinated" because their demographic adjusted risk rate goes back to that of the unvacccinated.

I'll repeat the important bit since I know you're slow: They're included as unvaccinated because their risk rates become the same as those who've never been vaccinated. Truly, you've caught them red handed. Retard.

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>>15246982
Can you be more a more disingenuous cunt? Fuck you, nigger. I hope you took the vaccine and die like a dog.

>>15251705
>Yes, you can view that data separately.
But you didn't post it. Why did you lie?

>>15251705
>No, it is not dishonest to count them as "unvaccinated" because their demographic adjusted risk rate goes back to that of the unvacccinated.
It's dishonest to count people who are within 14 days of their last booster/initial vax as "unvaccinated" because that's the period when you're most likely to die. 90% of all vaccine deaths occurred during a timeframe where they were counted by the CDC as unvaccinated covid deaths.

>>15251711
>But you didn't post it. Why did you lie?
Sorry, I forgot you are SO fucking retarded you can't use google and have to be spoon-fed. Next you'll fail to read, and have to be quote-fed too.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7134a3.htm
Table and data include no history of vaccination as well as each stage of vaccination status.

The total data are also available in the data portals. https://data.cdc.gov/
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/

>>15251724
If it's that easy to access, why do you keep lying about it? Why couldn't provide a correct and truthful definition of how vaccination status is defined?
your argument seems to rely on a great deal of lying.

>>15251724
>https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7134a3.htm
>Table and data include no history of vaccination as well as each stage of vaccination status.
This table doesn't separate the unvaccinated into the 2 primary groups: actually unvaccinated and people within the 14 day window. Therefore it's not accurate and not trustworthy.

>>15251734
>This table doesn't separate the unvaccinated into the 2 primary groups: actually unvaccinated and people within the 14 day window. Therefore it's not accurate and not trustworthy.
As always, dishonest antivaxxers can't read.
>Partially vaccinated persons who received ≥1 vaccine dose but did not complete a primary series ≥14 days before a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result are excluded from data shown.
They're excluded. So there goes your other bullshit excuse.

Watch as you invent 12 more.

>>15251740
That's not even identifying the standard the CDC gives, so it's irrelevant. Amazing how you can lie so blatantly even while posting text that exposes you.

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Stop wasting your time and get two covid boosters in each arm right now, is good for you!

>>15251750
Please keep dying at higher rates so your idiocy is properly purged from the gene pool.

>>15251677
I regret to inform you that, even if that were the most effective strategy, the OG anti-vax idiots ruined that plan for you long before the new anti-vax idiots came on the scene. The only way we were able to essentially eliminate those diseases was the extremely high rate of infant vaccination - even without the pointless isolationism from the rest of the world.

So you'll have to start deporting idiot anti-vaxxers & make sure all infants get the MMR vaccine until you are able to isolate the 48 states from the rest of the world if you want that to have a chance of working. And then you'll also have to make it illegal for any American to travel to most of the world; either that, or ... REQUIRE them to have the MMR vaccine in order to travel to most of the world. No matter how perfect and special you seem to think America is, I don't think Americans will want to be told they are locked in their own country, and then you're back to the whole 'mandated vaccine' discussion again.

Oooooops

>>15251751
That's impossible. The vaccinated have higher mortality from all causes than their unvaccinated peers.

>>15246982
>So what? Lots of trash gets peer reviewed. If it didn't there would be no papers to read.
how do you determine which peer reviewed papers are trash? you're not a peer, nigger.

>>15251761
>That's impossible. The vaccinated have higher mortality from all causes than their unvaccinated peers.
Nope. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2798990 Even without adjusting for age that isn't the case. You're so wrong the most minimal effort of just raw correlation refutes you. How embarrassing.

Unsurprisingly the least vaccinated states had the highest all-cause mortality.

>>15251791
>the least vaccinated states had the highest all-cause mortality.
why are you using all-cause mortality to assess the efficacy of a vaccine, retard

>>15251791
bullshit and spam

>>15251794
>why are you using all-cause mortality to assess the efficacy of a vaccine, retard
Don't ask me, as the retard I replied to. Retard.

>>15251761
>he vaccinated have higher mortality from all causes than their unvaccinated peers.
Correct according to all the legitimate independent data that isn't paid for by government/pharma.

>>15251751
>Please keep dying at higher rates
The vax-cattle thin themselves.

>>15251753
>isolate the 48 states from the rest of the world
Got that backwards, it's "Isolate the rest of the world from North America."

>>15251791
Oh no vaxsisters I don't like this...
Are we safe? >>15251804

>>15251835
no, you are not, even shills are cattle.

>>15251753
You have no credibility at all. You engaged in prostitution to corporate interests, and gave the excuse to authoritarian governments to misappropriate public funds. You deserve to be executed cartel style, your skin face and limbs cut off, and then burned alive.

>>15251698
You are digging your own grave. We may not be able to kill those bastards in power, but morons like you who worked for them will have to pay for their crimes, you will be tortured, flayed, and mutilated to death.

>>15251659
I think there is a lot of open debate about whom to believe.

The scientists who marketed those vaccines aren't far removed from the ones that marketed lead.

>>15251858
>The scientists who marketed those vaccines aren't far removed from the ones that marketed lead.
They are (quite literally) the exact same people who marketed AZT as an antiviral, and who marketed Remdesivir similarly. Both drugs are horrifyingly deadly and only cause negative health effects.

>>15251860
Yes, and much of the psychiatric and pain industry seems to be similarly parasitic.

At this point I'm curious about what the real risk to harm calculation for say the tetanus vaccine is.

That one seems to have a good profile overall on the outset, but that's the starting point.

I have no doubt the hepb vax at 1 day old is horrendous.

>>15251871
>I have no doubt the hepb vax at 1 day old is horrendous.
It's already tagged as a very dangerous shot by the medical establishment. In addition, you would only need it if your parents have hepatitis (or have extreme amounts of unprotected sodomy or intravenous drug use), in which case it won't do you any good. And a baby isn't going to get involved with the other risk factors.

>>15251860
>Both drugs are horrifyingly deadly and only cause negative health effects.
part of the scam.

>>15247136
>ESL
everything single time

>>15251750
that fucker was just advocating pregnant women get boosted
the face of pure evil

>>15251857
>you will be tortured, flayed, and mutilated to death.
Nice power fantasy
You cant even win an argument on a Tunisian rug weaving forum and you expect to pull of some revolution? Laughable

>>15252067
it's like they are a death cult.

I'm still waiting for the delayed killswitch/sterilisation effect/mind control/etc. to activate. It's been several years, where is it?

>>15252254
10-15 million people have already died just in the West. Deaths are up by 30-40% in most countries that took the vax. What are you waiting for, a giant billboard?

>>15252260
its probably waiting for another paycheck from one ZOG agency or another